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Post by: biccat
darkPrince010 wrote:sennacherib wrote:I also wonder ... does GW save cash on shipping finegast because it is so much lighter than a metal mini. If so they are really making more on these than they used to.
I wonder if having all the air bubbles makes them lighter  Plus, GW can use the material they should have used to fill in a mold completely to make another 90% filled model (Make 9 miscasts, get one free!)
You forget that you also have to pay a premium for that extra bit of Official Games Workshop Hobby Air.
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Post by: Eldar Own
Just bought a finecast minature, and it was flawed, but nothing I can't fix. My FineCast record is still pretty good, though. The other 5 finecasts products I've bought have been fine. So I still have nothing against finecast.
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Post by: darkPrince010
@biccat: I honestly wonder at what point GW will start to make hollow model, with paperthin Finecost shells filled with Authentic Games Workshop Hobby Air (tm). Seems like they're testing the concept already with Finecast... :/
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Post by: MrMerlin
darkPrince010 wrote:@biccat: I honestly wonder at what point GW will start to make hollow model, with paperthin Finecost shells filled with Authentic Games Workshop Hobby Air (tm). Seems like they're testing the concept already with Finecast... :/
Hehe maybe they'll start filling their stores with hobby air and charging you for breathing in them 
But back to topic... I've got a slightly bubbled kff-mek, my brothers got some scorpions and a friend of ours owns some tzeench-flamers and skulltaker. All these were quite okay, we just had some minor problems that were fixable. And I dont really care about small holes in ork-clothes, because it actually make the model look more orky. But as mentioned before, the weight-thing bugs me; Im no longer feeling the weight of metal when I'm moving around important stuff 
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Post by: Rurouni Benshin
So far I've bought the Terminator Librarian, and am very happy with it. It assembled very easily, and with use of Green Stuff, I was able to mold a Storm Shield to it's left arm. The piece that glues to the top of the Librarian's armor was easier to piece together (in comparison to it's metal edition) also.
All in all, no complaints. If I buy another Finecast model, I'll be sure to share my experience with it.
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Post by: gigasnail
finecast count: 5 CSM raptors, 1 HG, one zoanthrope, 2 tyrant guard, one hive tyrant. problems have been extremely minor. my raptors were basically flawless aside from a lot of (easily removable) flash. minor bubbles on the tyrant guard's shoulder/upper arms. the hive tyrant is a much more substatntial model and has the usual problems i've had with the tyranid multiple piece carapaces regardless of medium (i.e. very uneven, needs substantial greenstuff). some minor bubbles on the lashwhip arm and the legs.
only real problems were with my zoanthrope, which had pretty significant bubbling and a big annoying mold line down the middle of the head.
all in all i have had much fewer problems with the finecasts than i have with their corresponding metal versions, i hated and loathed the metal raptors, hiveguard, and zoanthropes.
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Post by: mattyrm
H.B.M.C. wrote: despite GW telling me that Failcost was the greatest human invention since electricity
I missed that part. Fortunately this is neither true nor funny.
I bought an Emperors Champ and it's spot on. I do like the weight of metal models, but i definitely prefer putting these together, the metal devestators and such do my nut in when i'm trying to put them together. 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
mattyrm wrote:I missed that part. Fortunately this is neither true nor funny.
Silly me! Must've been my mental condition again, amirite?
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Post by: Gorechild
Sidstyler wrote: I'm not sure if they even read their e-mail. I imagine it all goes to a junk folder which gets emptied out on a daily basis...X) if someone can prove me wrong please do.
I complained via email, it took them about 3 days to get a reply. They sent a complete new order out and I managed to scrape together enough to make the 10 Wracks that originally ordered out (using 4 boxes in total). The replacement Succubus they sent was miscast in the exact same place as the original, so I sent GW a gakky email and went into my local store. The manager took all the defective models and opened 3 other Succubus blisters for me to find a perfect one. So I've finally got what I ordered, even if I've been through 25 models to get the 11 I wanted
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Post by: ChorusLucia
I almost bought a Dark Angels Captain, I say almost because just looking into the package I could see a bubble on one of the legs bad enough that it looked like he'd taken a few bolt rounds in it. Two days later, I found a metal mini of the same thing at another store cheaper.
I also looked at the Lelith Hesperax model, but found so much flash, and bubbles on her face which is very fine and would probably be nigh impossible to fix, that I didn't consider it for more than a couple minutes.
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Post by: Marthike
pixelpusher wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah I got a problem:
The Failcost Shokk Attack Gun my friend bought didn't have any more detail than the metal version despite GW telling me that Failcost was the greatest human invention since electricity, is made out of a far cheaper material to the metal one, didn't come with two in the box like Mantic's new models, and yet it cost a lot more than the metal one. Why is that?
Go get a sandectomy instead of de-railing the thread.
Emperors Champion, no defects.
Ghazkull Thraka, one sprue really messed up. Still trying to get my thumb out and go replace it.
the messed up one is it the right arm big shoota?
Because I got the same had to calve out the details with my knife because there is a serious problem with the mold.
Other than that I have:
Calgar kit - perfect not even many mold lines
Dante - mold lines
astorath - perfect little mold lines
libby - perfect with little mold lines
Gahzkull - bit more bubbles and a messed up right arm
crowe - perfect little mold liens
templar champion - perfect
coteaz - perfect
archon - perfect
lilith - looks fine still not built
*NEW* inquisitor karamazov - very good so far no mis cast parts, some bent part but easily fixed, still building i will make a tutorial video showing the parts.
Overall, finecast is not as bad as you think.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Overall, finecast is not as bad as you think.
I'm never very good at making analogies, but isn't that kinda like saying the unemployment rate in America must not be that bad since you have a job? "Things aren't bad for me, so everyone else must be exaggerating!"
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Post by: oni
Am I the only one seeing a clear trend that UK customers have an overwhelming number of perfect Finecast models compared to all of the gak Failcast being opened in the USA?
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Post by: Rampage
Sidstyler wrote:Overall, finecast is not as bad as you think.
I'm never very good at making analogies, but isn't that kinda like saying the unemployment rate in America must not be that bad since you have a job? "Things aren't bad for me, so everyone else must be exaggerating!"
It's no different to the people that say because they they've never had a decent finecast model the whole range must be terrible. But I would agree that in this case it is better to look at the wider picture rather than form a judgement completely from your own experiences.
Although I have been lucky and bought a rather good batch of finecast models myself, because some of them have had a couple of minor defects (eg, bubbly Shadowseer) I hold some stock in the statements that are made about dreadful finecast casts.
So whereas I don't think Finecast is dreadful, as there have been a fair few statements about higher-quality/non-miscast models, I don't think that at its current state it's amazing either, due to all of the appalling model allegations.
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Post by: ToI
I purchased a single finecast model at my FLGS, a Terminator Librarian. It has a bubble missing from his ass, bolter and the top back of his armor. Unfixable to say the least...Not the worst stuff I've seen, but obnoxious, haven't bothered to get it replaced yet.
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Post by: darkPrince010
ToI wrote:It has a bubble missing from his ass, bolter and the top back of his armor.
See, this would never have happened if he still had...
BUNS OF STEEL/TIN!
In all seriousness, this thread has helped ward me away from getting Finecrap. It seems that while the error rate may not be as high as some claim from their individual experiences, it's definately not the "written by a unicorn who says 97% pass QA" that GW claims it is. I'd guesstimate it at ~50% of models are crap, with models tending to be good (Cockatrice iirc) or bad (Termie Librarian/Succubi/Incubi iirc) more often than not. I'm sorely tempted to start on page 1 and tally the Perfect-Good-Bad-Unusable model ratio, since this might give us a more objective picture.
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Post by: ToI
darkPrince010 wrote: I'm sorely tempted to start on page 1 and tally the Perfect-Good-Bad-Unusable model ratio, since this might give us a more objective picture.
dooooo-eeet...
seriously I would like to see more large scale ratios.
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Post by: Janthkin
dardPrince010 wrote:I'm sorely tempted to start on page 1 and tally the Perfect-Good-Bad-Unusable model ratio, since this might give us a more objective picture.
If you did, that would be on-topic content.
All of this: darkPrince010 wrote:ToI wrote:It has a bubble missing from his ass, bolter and the top back of his armor.
See, this would never have happened if he still had...
BUNS OF STEEL/TIN!
In all seriousness, this thread has helped ward me away from getting Finecrap. It seems that while the error rate may not be as high as some claim from their individual experiences, it's definately not the "written by a unicorn who says 97% pass QA" that GW claims it is. I'd guesstimate it at ~50% of models are crap, with models tending to be good (Cockatrice iirc) or bad (Termie Librarian/Succubi/Incubi iirc) more often than not.
is off-topic.
<stay on topic>
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Post by: Kanluwen
Kanluwen wrote:Received my Vlad Von Carstein today.
The overall cast is okay, but he's missing his entire hand and the 'skullblasting' bit for his cloak. Phoned them up and have a new one on the way. Will post photos later.
Also, I forgot to mention it was Batch # 000023
Following up:
I got my replacement Vlad today(8/10) after calling them after receiving my miscast one(8/08).
The hand is intact, the 'skullblasting bit' is not there(I called them about it--they said that they actually have removed the bit from Vlad because it never cast correctly and many people never used it anyways. Interestingly enough, they actually sculpted what looks like a new 'face' on his cloak where it used to connect).
There's bits of flash, but otherwise it's an acceptable cast. Only thing bugging me is that it looks like the spikes on his vambraces(which are huge spikes, mind you) look a bit blunted. No big deal though, as it's an easy fix just snipping them at an angle to form a 'point'.
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Post by: ColdSadHungry
I bought Crowe.
A few mold lines but they are easy to file down and no worse than the metal models.
His sword was a little bent but I managed to just bend it to the correct position using nothing but my fingers.
His backpack was a complete and utter mess - very misshapen, like a child had drawn it, pinched in the middle and it's lines were quite curved. The small alcove that you use to stick the backpack onto the model had a hole going right through it and out of the front. The standard was bent, a little too much to fix easily - it snapped off. I just used a normal GK backpack for him so that kind of ruins his look but, since I don't generally like the look of banners on backpacks, I'm ok with it.
I recently purchased the terminator captain and breathed a sigh of relief that it's still metal (what does that say?)
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Post by: darkPrince010
@Janthkin: Sorry about that: Here's something on topic:  Since Ouze hasn't posted an update of the chart recently, I just tallied everything up to ColdSadHungry's post, and we have, of ~545 models: ~193 are "Perfect". This means 0 noted flaws, very minor/no mold lines/flash, and no errors that require greenstuffing etc, or the poster claims they are "Perfect." ~146 models are "Good." This means very minor flaws (Small air bubbles), a bit of excess flash, a bent but easily fixed weapon, etc. For the most part with these, the poster notes the flaws, but is still satisfied with the model. I consider both of the above as "Passing QA" However, for those of you doing the math at home... ...we have ~206 "Bad" models. This means major errors that require major time to fix/greenstuff, would be unnacceptable to purchase, or basically creates the "Chaos Spawn" model (Whether you want a Chaos Spawn or not...). The poster dislikes the model(s), had to exchange the model, and expressed dislike of the miscast. Overall, we have a ~37.7% unacceptable error rate. Compare that little number to GW's supposed 96% that pass QA. Even given that most of the people who speak out about this may be dissatisfied and the satisfied customers stay silent, this is still a much larger error range than GW claims. If you filter through and say that excess flash or bent weapons/small bubbles are errors, you get an error rate of ~64.6%. "Fine"cost indeed...
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Post by: Kanluwen
darkPrince010 wrote:@Janthkin: Sorry about that: Here's something on topic:
Since Ouze hasn't posted an update of the chart recently, I just tallied everything up to ColdSadHungry's post, and we have, of ~545 models:
~193 are "Perfect". This means 0 noted flaws, very minor/no mold lines/flash, and no errors that require greenstuffing etc.
~146 models are "Good." This means very minor flaws (Small air bubbles), a bit of excess flash, a bent but easily fixed weapon, etc.
I consider both of the above as "Passing QA"
However, for those of you doing the math at home...
...we have ~206 "Bad" models. This means major errors that require major time to fix/greenstuff, would be unnacceptable to purchase, or basically creates the "Chaos Spawn" model (Whether you want a Chaos Spawn or not...).
Overall, we have a ~37.7% unacceptable error rate. Compare that little number to GW's supposed 96% that pass QA. Even given that most of the people who speak out about this may be dissatisfied and the satisfied customers stay silent, this is still a much larger error range than GW claims. If you filter through and say that excess flash or bent weapons/small bubbles are errors, you get an error rate of ~64.6%.
There's one problem that you're missing.
Not every single customer who buys a Finecast model posts on a forum online.
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Post by: darkPrince010
Kanluwen wrote:darkPrince010 wrote:*Snip*
Even given that most of the people who speak out about this may be dissatisfied and the satisfied customers stay silent, this is still a much larger error range than GW claims. */Snip*
There's one problem that you're missing. Not every single customer who buys a Finecast model posts on a forum online.
I pointed that out already. Still, even if we have half the number of "Bad" casts this forum indicates, we're still at more than a 1 in 10 model fail rate, which imo is pretty lousy for getting abox of 10 guys. Heck, the number could be larger than 37% because people who are dissatsified may not post on a forum. The arguement goes both ways
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Post by: notprop
oni wrote:Am I the only one seeing a clear trend that UK customers have an overwhelming number of perfect Finecast models compared to all of the gak Failcast being opened in the USA?
It would seem so. But since all finecast are being made in the UK one would see the later (one assumes better) batches arriving in UK based retailers first.
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Post by: deathholydeath
My friend had to use 4 boxes to get a 10 man unit of Incubi. Another guy at our LGS bought a chaplain that came without his arm or jump pack.
For my own part, I have refused to buy so much as a single finecast mini due to two reasons, and these are mostly principle:
1) The material is cheap
2) Finecast costs more than the "expensive" material they wanted to replace.
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Post by: Marthike
deathholydeath wrote:My friend had to use 4 boxes to get a 10 man unit of Incubi. Another guy at our LGS bought a chaplain that came without his arm or jump pack.
For my own part, I have refused to buy so much as a single finecast mini due to two reasons, and these are mostly principle:
1) The material is cheap
2) Finecast costs more than the "expensive" material they wanted to replace.
bits missing is not finecast fault it's just packaging things drop off
4 boxes is 20 so your saying it's a 50% success rate, either your friend is very picky or there is a serious fault in the molds
I can understand if it's 2-3 but 10 miscast is just exagerating a bit. I would actully love to see those models.
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Post by: Jackal
Varghulf - Simply amazing.
No issues with it.
Blood knights - had to return the 1st box, then the return box again.
3rd box was fine, but the 2 before had serious issues with bubbling on hands, faces and other small detailed areas.
For a small character model i wouldnt be bothered as its usually a quick fix.
But 5/5 with issues, twice and £61.50 a box? i want most of them to be problem free.
So far it seems to be areas of detail that are a real issue.
Other than that im happy though as i prefer resin to both plastic and metal.
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Post by: deathholydeath
Marthike wrote:deathholydeath wrote:My friend had to use 4 boxes to get a 10 man unit of Incubi. Another guy at our LGS bought a chaplain that came without his arm or jump pack.
For my own part, I have refused to buy so much as a single finecast mini due to two reasons, and these are mostly principle:
1) The material is cheap
2) Finecast costs more than the "expensive" material they wanted to replace.
bits missing is not finecast fault it's just packaging things drop off
4 boxes is 20 so your saying it's a 50% success rate, either your friend is very picky or there is a serious fault in the molds
I can understand if it's 2-3 but 10 miscast is just exagerating a bit. I would actully love to see those models.
I'm not sure whether it was molding or packaging. I just know he had to get GW to replace one box and then replace the replacement box, lol. I will give GW credit for that though, they generally have good customer support.
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Post by: weiler
Bought a broodlord that had really messed up hands and chest swapped it slightly better still not great for £15.50
then bought the zoanthrope found one that looked pretty good on opening one side of brain was completely missing detail got another one and from a front on view looked like one half of the head was stuck on lower than the other side, the final swap still had issues but i must admit the detailing in parts is amazing , i think finecast is hit and miss (more miss)
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Post by: Commander Cain
I bought one termie librarian, several bubbles throughout, a fair amount of gs work was needed to fix it up ( I bet GW makes a killing on green stuff now that finecast is out  ) I would have returned it if the nearest store was not in another province! Personally when I order a product, I expect next to no flaws, especially since I have very high expecations from GW (all my metal models were Perfect, I expect finecast to be better in every aspect)
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Post by: darkPrince010
Afaik, it seems Incubi/Wracks, the Terminator Librarian, and the Jump Pack Chaplain seem to miscast the msot often, while the Cockatrice seems to be fairly perfectly cast most of the time.
Has anyone else noticed any models that tend to usually be bad/good based on people's reviews on here?
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Post by: oni
darkPrince010 wrote:Afaik, it seems Incubi/Wracks, the Terminator Librarian, and the Jump Pack Chaplain seem to miscast the msot often, while the Cockatrice seems to be fairly perfectly cast most of the time.
Has anyone else noticed any models that tend to usually be bad/good based on people's reviews on here?
Plague Marines come out perfect every time.
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Post by: gilljoy
Three finecast models bought so far.
3 faults with each of them, Finecast really isnt worth it
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Post by: Aduro
darkPrince010 wrote:Afaik, it seems Incubi/Wracks, the Terminator Librarian, and the Jump Pack Chaplain seem to miscast the msot often, while the Cockatrice seems to be fairly perfectly cast most of the time.
Has anyone else noticed any models that tend to usually be bad/good based on people's reviews on here?
Just picked up a box of Wracks myself and theyve got some problems as well. Not done a full detailed cleaning and inspection, but on first look thru one has extra junk messin up the vision slits on the face, one is missing part of his face, and one either didn't attach his feet to his legs, or it simply snapped off at the ankles at sone point. I can probably clean much of it up, but it makes me unhappy wih my first finecast purchase and I'll be dropping a line to customer service.
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Post by: English Assassin
Just bought Draigo, Crowe and a Terminator Librarian; to my immense surprise they're close to perfect. One or two air bubbles which too a few minutes to fill. I don't trust this run of good fortune to continue, of course.
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Post by: gilljoy
English Assassin wrote:Just bought Draigo, Crowe and a Terminator Librarian; to my immense surprise they're close to perfect. One or two air bubbles which too a few minutes to fill. I don't trust this run of good fortune to continue, of course.
Count yourself lucky.
I bought the three of them myself, every single one had a problem with it
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Post by: English Assassin
gilljoy wrote:Count yourself lucky.
Believe me, I do.
Indeed I remain confident that Citadel are merely lulling me into a false sense of security in order to persuade me to buy Karamazov.
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Post by: primalexile
Here is my Failcast experience.
Lord Kaldor Draigo - Miscast, Bubbles
Kurt Helborg - One massive bubble on the top of his head, Horse was misaligned.
Terminator Librarian - Fail Cast to the max. Riddled with holes.
Castellion Crowe - Bubbles and crazy flare
Finecast experience
Cocatrice was perfect not 1 flaw
Azhag the Slaughterer I purchased for a buddy. It was flawless (I believe it was a second run model as they were out of stock and sent it after a two week wait)
overall I have been disappointed.
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Post by: The Mad Tanker
I have a finecast Yarrick and had no problems with him, very pleased with it in fact.
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Post by: Commisar Von Humps
Bought 1 resin model so far, BT Emp Champ. Just a tiny bubble on the place where the back pack and marine join.
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Post by: Aduro
Aduro wrote:darkPrince010 wrote:Afaik, it seems Incubi/Wracks, the Terminator Librarian, and the Jump Pack Chaplain seem to miscast the msot often, while the Cockatrice seems to be fairly perfectly cast most of the time.
Has anyone else noticed any models that tend to usually be bad/good based on people's reviews on here?
Just picked up a box of Wracks myself and theyve got some problems as well. Not done a full detailed cleaning and inspection, but on first look thru one has extra junk messin up the vision slits on the face, one is missing part of his face, and one either didn't attach his feet to his legs, or it simply snapped off at the ankles at sone point. I can probably clean much of it up, but it makes me unhappy wih my first finecast purchase and I'll be dropping a line to customer service.
Finished cleaning these, glued arms on, still need to fill in all the bubbles with green stuff, but I found another new flaw. A super thin piece of flash or plastic or something almost clear apparently got into one of the molds as the top third of one guys front was not attached to his back and this flash was between the two parts. Oh, and the agonizer is really bad and not usable.
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Post by: Gorechild
Marthike wrote:4 boxes is 20 so your saying it's a 50% success rate, either your friend is very picky or there is a serious fault in the molds
I can understand if it's 2-3 but 10 miscast is just exagerating a bit. I would actully love to see those models.
Is his friend not meant to expect a flawless product after spending £46 on 10 models? Especially when the models have been "upgraded" from a more expensive material to a cheaper one and for some reason had their price increased. A company that claims to be the porsche of the minatures world shouldn't send out a model even a minute defect! If I bought a new 911 that had a couple of tiny holes in the windscreen I'd go bezerk.
I got another Haemonculus on Saturday, After checking through the 3 in the store I found 1 that was usable. There are 1 or 2 bubbles on his jacket, but nothing unfixable.
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Post by: remilia_scarlet
Well, my zoanthrope was covered in flash, and practically fell off the sprue, as for my commander dante, he wasn't a problem, just had to shave the flash off. I'm not happy with the pricing for composite resin models, if I wanted composite resin, I would buy forgeworld
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Post by: -Loki-
Gorechild wrote:Marthike wrote:4 boxes is 20 so your saying it's a 50% success rate, either your friend is very picky or there is a serious fault in the molds
I can understand if it's 2-3 but 10 miscast is just exagerating a bit. I would actully love to see those models.
Is his friend not meant to expect a flawless product after spending £46 on 10 models? Especially when the models have been "upgraded" from a more expensive material to a cheaper one and for some reason had their price increased. A company that claims to be the porsche of the minatures world shouldn't send out a model even a minute defect! If I bought a new 911 that had a couple of tiny holes in the windscreen I'd go bezerk.
Miscasts happened with metal. People returned them and got refunds or replacements. People didn't go crazy posting them on the internet because GW didn't have the while hype train thing going on quality, nor did any other company.
I've had some terrible experiences with metals. The old metal Venerable dread? Yeah, thanks for the 2cm thick pipe into the shoulder pad. I didn't have a dremel so I never had the chance to fix that feth up. Even recently, with a non- GW model - Avatars of War (gasp!). Vampire countess with the crowned head totally misaligned, with the face almost 1mm off from the back of the head. Luckily it's not the head I was going to use.
People had the right to expect a flawless product back then it was metal, and got miscasts. People still have a right to expect a flawless model, and will get miscasts. I agree, finecast seems to have a larger percentage of them, but this gak was happening before finecast. And still happens, to anyone using this kind of mold. And even with tight QA, it slips out.
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Post by: Kirasu
Im making a SM company of all finecast sternguard, vanguard and FW MK5 armor marines. So far the finecast models have been brilliant with 1 problem.
It's not so much a miscast but one of the combi-meltas was not included which I had GW ship me. Seriously, if something is miscast just call them to get a free model. Whats the issue?
Im no blind lover of GW but I havent had a single problem with finecast and quite frankly I would have NEVER started this army if these models were still in metal. I love how easy finecast is to convert
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Post by: Aduro
I prefer plastic for conversions, and would probably prefer metal as well over finecast. It's just Too soft I think. Had several of the fiddly bitz on the Wracks break without much effort. Much weaker material than plastic a d I personally don't like it. I've never gotten a metal or plastic kit that was in as bad a shape as these Wracks. Given it was in our first shipment of them, I'm hoping it's due to that early rush production and the replacements are much better. Fingers crossed.
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Post by: Kirasu
I think I rather eat the metal models than attempt to convert metal sternguard the way Im doing them (Expensive dinner!@). The softness of the finecast is awesome for my purposes
I understand what you're saying but imo saying you rather convert METAL is hard to believe heh
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Post by: gilljoy
Wonky swords and weapons is also an issue.
Crowe had a curvy sword lol
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Post by: Kirbinator
gilljoy wrote:English Assassin wrote:Just bought Draigo, Crowe and a Terminator Librarian; to my immense surprise they're close to perfect. One or two air bubbles which too a few minutes to fill. I don't trust this run of good fortune to continue, of course.
Count yourself lucky.
I bought the three of them myself, every single one had a problem with it
Sad times when people count themselves lucky to receive only slightly jacked up miniatures for extreme prices. "Excuse me, sir, yes thank you for raising the price of this car. As it only has two puncture holes in the fender that can be filled in by anyone decent with a TIG welder I consider myself very lucky and thank you for selling me this clearly superior product."
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Post by: kitch102
Is there a poll for this? "Have you personally experienced problems with finecast? Yes / no?" would give us a good idea of the actual numbers that have.
I bought a haemy at the weekend, and some wracks. Wracks were fine but the Haemys base was... well, there was only half of it. Not a problem though, it was the back half and this can be covered up.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I received a Konrad von Carstein today, as part of a trade with RiTides. He had to go through two of them to get a "perfect" cast, and this one truly is aside from a bend in the sword.
Everything fits nicely, and this is what Finecast promises to be.
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Post by: Eeps
I've bought 2 so far:
Jump Chaplain: Slight bubbling on feet, but nothing impactful
SAG: Perfect, no imperfections at all.
From my (admittedly limited) experience, I've had no issues with it, and its vastly preferable to work with than metal.
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Post by: Doctadeth
Cockatrice flaw count
Wing holes don't fit the supplied wings, end of tail missing, bubbles in the wing snapped the feather tips as soon as I glued em on.
I'll be taking the whole thing back and asking for a cash refund, not a store credit. Not even going to bother with the new finecast thirster that I *wanted* initially.
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Post by: Jonp
Bought a Dante and a pack of Sternguards online (reseller) and Dantes backpack was misalligned and a bit messy though nothing major.
The Sternguards on the other hand, the one thats pointing is completely missing his hand.
Phoned up customer service (UK) and they said they have to be returned to their freepost address and it will be replaced in 7-10 working days which is rubbish considering this is their problem.
Going to try and return them to the GW store up town when I go up, not sure if they will accept if as its ordered online, dont see why they wouldnt as its not like its not their product.
But we shall see.
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Well I went up today, its only a small store 1 worker. And she basically said theres nothing she can do, I just shouldnt buy from other shops other than GW direct.
So basically GW shops wont support their own products if bought from elsewhere.
Instead of any help to replace it, she just basically said buy a marine and cut his hand off and glue it on.
Stunning customer service, complaint email to GW on the way.
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Post by: Revenent Reiko
Im not a GW apologist by any means, but really Jonp?
Its been stated a number of times that GWs QC checks havent been rigorous enough when they released Finecost, fair enough, its not great (in fact its pretty poor), but we know this already, and its why many people are holding back on purchasing finecost products.
However, if the Sternguard got past GW QC (not difficult admittedly), and then the second sellers QC, its the second sellers fault that you got a flawed model. This is also the reason Weyland stopped selling Finecost models, they couldnt guarantee the quality (well done to Weyland btw).
If you then contacted GW and they said they would replace it (free of charge as well), then whats the problem? (OK, i dont agree with having to do this, but at least they do it). Why are you complaining they are going to replace it? that it will take a week? please.
And your first port of call for replacement should always be where you got it from. For example, if my TV broke, ill take it back to where i bought it, not Sony (i might have to take it to Sony, but the first place you go is where you got it).
And also, of course a GW employee told you to only buy from GW, how is this new?
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Post by: Killamop
I bought:
a Big mek with SAG absolutely perfect and worth the minor price increase so I don't have to deal with a stupidly heavy metal model.
A Big mek with KFF again absolutely fine, no need to fix anything and in my opinion my best painted miniature because it's so easy to work with.
I have only seen one problem with finecast worth bothering about and it was spotted by the staff at my GW. so no harm done.
I see no problem with finecast and will definitely be purchasing any new finecast models that I need in my army (come on meganobs and Ogre Kingdoms)
Man up kids...
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Post by: Jonp
Revenent Reiko wrote:Im not a GW apologist by any means, but really Jonp?
Its been stated a number of times that GWs QC checks havent been rigorous enough when they released Finecost, fair enough, its not great (in fact its pretty poor), but we know this already, and its why many people are holding back on purchasing finecost products.
However, if the Sternguard got past GW QC (not difficult admittedly), and then the second sellers QC, its the second sellers fault that you got a flawed model. This is also the reason Weyland stopped selling Finecost models, they couldnt guarantee the quality (well done to Weyland btw).
If you then contacted GW and they said they would replace it (free of charge as well), then whats the problem? (OK, i dont agree with having to do this, but at least they do it). Why are you complaining they are going to replace it? that it will take a week? please.
And your first port of call for replacement should always be where you got it from. For example, if my TV broke, ill take it back to where i bought it, not Sony (i might have to take it to Sony, but the first place you go is where you got it).
And also, of course a GW employee told you to only buy from GW, how is this new?
I have no problem that there are faults, thats to be expected. As for the second sellers QC, thats none existant, only specialist shops check them, not your average box shifter companys, nor should they be expected to. As for whats the problem, I am told on the phone I can return it with a longish lead time, 10 working days is 2 weeks not 1, or return it to one of their stores. I chose to return it to one of their stores so I can use what I purchased. Then getting a snotty 'Well you bought it from someone other than us, why should we do anything' style reply. If thats how GW wish to conduct business then they shouldnt have resellers, and deal solely with their own outlets. As for where the first port of call should be, thats clearly down to which serves you the customer best. As for the comparison, you can return Sony Electronics to Sony stores purchased from elsewhere, bit like how you can return an Apple product to Apple stores no matter of where you purchased it from. Now considering that its a GW product and I was advised by GW themselves to return it there, is it that hard to believe thats what I expected? EDIT : Sorry to add I didnt point out that GW HO did say I could return to their stores in my original post.
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Post by: Revenent Reiko
The Edit is very helpful, and explains a couple of my 'gripes' ( )
It depends on the second seller. Yes, obviously specialist sellers are more likely to do QC checks than non-specialists, but tbh i would expect it to be a specialist seller anyway considering the product (and their policy on second sellers).
i definitely didnt read 'working days', my apologies, and yes though this is a long time, its still free.
well my warranty would be with the store i bought it from, so i would go there first. Yes you can take it straight back to the maker, but i have found this often inmcurs costs that i wouldnt have had to pay had i taken it back to the seller (or in this case, had my warranty not expired, and hence i chose to do the same as you and got charged for the pleasure, bloody apple...). However, in light of your edit, fair enough, they should have done a trade, most stores would have.
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Post by: Jon Garrett
Yeah, Games Workshop is getting very iffy about anything they didn't personally sell, as I found out to my annoyance - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/384610.page - which is a vast difference over a couple of years ago. I am surprised they're doing it with damaged Finecast stuff though. I'd have thought they'd be replacing those to lessen complaints...
A question - does anyone have any idea what happens to all the Finecast that gets returned to GW? Can it be re-used or is it junk?
Of course, they could always re-box it and see if the next buyer is less picky...
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Legally I think you are supposed to return an item to the shop you bought it from and they have to refund or replace. They then take it up with their supplier.
Shops like GW that replace stock bought from other stores are doing it because they are being nice, they aren't legally obliged. When an item is defective you return it to the shop where you bought it, where you have a receipt. I'm not sure what is in it for GW to change their policy.
The only think I can think of, and this is TOTAL speculation, is that there is so many mis-finecasts out there that it's causing problems. This is why they now ask for the damaged item back instead of telling you to keep it like has been normal practice for years. Because otherwise people are being furnished with multiple replacements and all are crap, they are dumped onto eBay and second hand where they are picked up cheap and people are walking into GW stores hoping to get a perfect replacement.
That would account for why GW now don't accept items unless you bought them from *their* store, which presumably means you have to have a receipt, and they want the damaged items back.
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Post by: Alkasyn
Howard A Treesong wrote:Legally I think you are supposed to return an item to the shop you bought it from and they have to refund or replace. They then take it up with their supplier.
Shops like GW that replace stock bought from other stores are doing it because they are being nice, they aren't legally obliged. When an item is defective you return it to the shop where you bought it, where you have a receipt. I'm not sure what is in it for GW to change their policy.
The only think I can think of, and this is TOTAL speculation, is that there is so many mis-finecasts out there that it's causing problems. This is why they now ask for the damaged item back instead of telling you to keep it like has been normal practice for years. Because otherwise people are being furnished with multiple replacements and all are crap, they are dumped onto eBay and second hand where they are picked up cheap and people are walking into GW stores hoping to get a perfect replacement.
That would account for why GW now don't accept items unless you bought them from *their* store, which presumably means you have to have a receipt, and they want the damaged items back.
Makes sense, otherwise people could basically hand each other the miscast and get models for free. Sounds like a perfecct scam...
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Post by: 12thRonin
You mean like people in theory could have done for years?
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Post by: Aduro
Finally got my replacement Wracks for the ones I referenced earlier in the thread. The first Wracks I got were garbage quality. Worst that I can ever remember having gotten. The replacements they sent me are nearly pristine. They've not made it to my work table yet to clean the flash off, but just looking at them on the sprues they are so far above the first ones. Theyve got some small details that I didn't even realize was missing on the first o es. No one is missing their face, no pieces of the mold suck in eye sockets, and no random pieces of plastic bisecting models front from back. If all their kits come out like this then they're fine advertising them as superior quality, as even if they're not the best they're close enough for it to count as mere advertising hyperbol that everyone does.
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Post by: remilia_scarlet
I bought an emperor's champion finecast, and the sprue was a complete flash, and when I punched the pieces out, it left a hole in the shape of the pieces.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Got my Dark Emissary today. No flaws that I can see right now, just a fairly big chunk of gate where the head is molded separately.
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Post by: Dual Face
I have not bought finecast models but doesn't GW at least check the models before they get put into blister packs?
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Post by: whigwam
Recently picked up my first two Finecast minis, Skulltaker and Nurgle DP, and both look great. Nothing to complain about.
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Post by: jcichon
I have purchased a few which were pretty good but I then bought an Orc boss which was cast horribly. I called GW to vent my utter disappointment and they said we want you to be happy and are sending out another one gratis and I can keep the crappy one. Needless to say I was suprised as I have had issues with Andrea Miniatures and they make you jump through hoops to get even a replacement part. I wont go into all the issues people have with GW but their customer service in my dealings with them have been top notch and great customer service is paramount to any company or organization. I'll buy more finecast from GW and I wont buy anything from Andrea
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Post by: doctorahhnold
I've purchased a commander dante, a chaplain with a jump pack, and an inquisitor coteaz in finecast and all 3 of them were virtually flawless.
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Post by: Spiku
When I went to my local GW, considered a flagship in Oxford Street, London UK, I had a look through all the Finecast because I had never seen them before. Every mini but one on the floor had at least one air pockets, and roughness on flat pieces (very noticable on blood angel character wings). Quite a few had depressions along weapons. I suspect this could be a result of them likely receiving batches earlier in the run.
The one that didn't was a chaos champ, but I could only see one side~
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Post by: notprop
It seems quite a few are now reporting satisfactory/flawless castings, hopefully this should be the end of the quality issues paople have experienced.
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Post by: Sidstyler
jcichon wrote:I have purchased a few which were pretty good but I then bought an Orc boss which was cast horribly. I called GW to vent my utter disappointment and they said we want you to be happy and are sending out another one gratis and I can keep the crappy one. Needless to say I was suprised as I have had issues with Andrea Miniatures and they make you jump through hoops to get even a replacement part. I wont go into all the issues people have with GW but their customer service in my dealings with them have been top notch and great customer service is paramount to any company or organization. I'll buy more finecast from GW and I wont buy anything from Andrea
That's probably one of the only reasons GW has been around this long. They do the one thing right that every other company seems to fail miserably on.
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Post by: haendas
I have only bought 2 finecast, both of them very recently. Big Mek KFF and Ghazghkull. They have no problems and I am very pleased.
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Post by: -Loki-
notprop wrote:It seems quite a few are now reporting satisfactory/flawless castings, hopefully this should be the end of the quality issues paople have experienced.
It won't be the end of the issue - metal still had the occasional casting issue until its last days. However, it does mean they might be working out the quirks of resin casting and getting a few more QA people on the line, so it's getting significantly reduced.
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Post by: perezba7
Yeah I decided to get a sm termy Librarian and the wood elf with great weapon, Wood elf had one small bubble but it was underneathe his cloak, the termy, tons of small bubbles all over which I took care of, really disappointed in the fine cast bubble problem, I have had a ton of metal and plastic minis over the years but they really have never been miscast or anything, just rough moulding lines but never bubbles, GW is letting me down 
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Post by: Eeps
Recently picked up an Astorath, and it was flawless. Having said that, as I was buying that one the store was swapping someones mangled Emps champion for them.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Eeps wrote:Recently picked up an Astorath, and it was flawless. Having said that, as I was buying that one the store was swapping someones mangled Emps champion for them.
Same here, overall it was quite good. Don't know if it was the 'new batch' resin or not, but I was expecting far worst.
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Post by: AlexGrannell
I was at my local GW about 15 minutes away sitting at the hobby table painting and modelling. One man and his son came in, the man buying a box of Fire warriors and the son a Hive Tyrant. This is the first time I have seen a Finecast model on the sprue, He tried to assemble the body and it was amazingly missed cast by almost 1 and a half inches rendering impossible to make. They replaced it with another set only for the head to be almost unrecognizable, I mean like a huge chunk of resin was on his face. They ended up giving him a premade one, I was a bit disappointed and I hope it wont be like that tomorrow when I pick up Dante.
Image for reference only, not miscast in the picture!
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Post by: skrulnik
Is there any word on how clean the new Ogre stuff is?
Was eyeing the Fire Belly and the executioner guy.
Have potential, but the $38 pricetag and Finecast is making me hesitate.
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Post by: ToI
i think part of it (given my recent experience) is that they are still working out the process issues, as well as trying to filter out the old batches with issues, as when I called to get a replacement they asked for the batch code from the box so they could fix the problem better. I would guess what we saw was a few large mix batches that were improperly prepared combined with poor QA to give us the mountain of miscasts. But now they seem to have fixed most of the problems as I've seen loads of models now and most of them are perfect Automatically Appended Next Post: skrulnik wrote:Is there any word on how clean the new Ogre stuff is?
Was eyeing the Fire Belly and the executioner guy.
Have potential, but the $38 pricetag and Finecast is making me hesitate.
Honestly haven't looked at it so I wouldn't know, but if the trend says anything it's going to be good
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Post by: DoomMouse
Does anyone else think it's a bit overpriced?
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Post by: Coolyo294
You aren't alone in that regard.
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Post by: Janthkin
<stay on topic; this thread has a fairly narrow purpose, and cost discussion isn't it>
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Post by: MajorTom11
Guys, let's try to confine this thread to discussing the casting quality, and not let it turn into a free-for-all on pricing or GW corporate policy.
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Post by: Deathshead420
I bought a jump pack chaplain on the day finecast launched the entire shoulder pad was folded in, got home looked on the dakka and found out I should have checked in the store.....took it back to gw and gave me a new one no problems. We did have to open 2 more though to find one that was ok....the package said batch code 000000001 on it so i wasn't too upset by it.
Second I bought a box of sternguard, opened them in the store they were 100% fine.
I would buy them again...but the price is a little steep mods imo.
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Post by: Worglock
Let's see. My total list of Finecast models in order of purchase.
Eldar Autarch when Finecast first came out. 1 Minor flaw on the shoulder pad that was fixable.
Chaos Warrior Champion - Flawed at the legs. Replaced
Khorne Chaos Warrior Champion Also flawed at the legs. Replaced.
Cockatrice - No issues.
Dark Eldar Archon - No issues.
Dark Eldar Incubi - No issues.
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Post by: necrondude89
i bought a Tomb Kings Casket Of Souls and the mold lines on it were insane spent 40 min or so preping it other then that it loks great all the symbols and such are fine i give it a 85%
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Post by: Erudog
Recently bought a Finecast Space Marine Librarian in Terminator Armor. I was quite pleasantly surprised - no major flaws at all. A few flash marks here and there, but nothing a hobby knife can't take care of.
I sincerely apologize if this has been addressed in a different thread or perhaps if this is a question that doesn't belong here - but has anyone tried filing Finecast? It seems like it would be a bad idea at first glance. Are we just hoping we can clean these figures up with hobby knives? Just curious what others' thoughts/experiences are on this.
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Post by: Connor McKane
I recently got a Nurgle Demon Prince and found its "Fly Hand" was improperly molded. (The fingers were not fully formed)
I called US customer service, and actually spoke with the gentlemen that covered our local GW store while our Blackshirt was on vacation.
He remembered me and some of the custom models I had converted, so that was kind of neat.
The interesting thing was that he had a miscast Nurgle Model on his desk already, and was aware of the problems I had, and simply sent me a replacement.
All in all, yes, I had Finecast problems but customer service took care of it to my satisfaction.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Deathshead420 wrote:I bought a jump pack chaplain on the day finecast launched the entire shoulder pad was folded in, got home looked on the dakka and found out I should have checked in the store.....took it back to gw and gave me a new one no problems. We did have to open 2 more though to find one that was ok....the package said batch code 000000001 on it so i wasn't too upset by it.
Second I bought a box of sternguard, opened them in the store they were 100% fine.
I would buy them again...but the price is a little steep mods imo.
The issue is not whether or not they are pricey or not, that is a perfectly reasonable conversation to have (and a topic covered thoroughly elsewhere, and likely to be thoroughly covered many more times before all is said and done lol), the issue is that this thread is about casting quality, not price. We aren't telling you guys not to talk about price, just not to talk about it here. Fair enough?
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Post by: ToI
Erudog wrote:Recently bought a Finecast Space Marine Librarian in Terminator Armor. I was quite pleasantly surprised - no major flaws at all. A few flash marks here and there, but nothing a hobby knife can't take care of.
I sincerely apologize if this has been addressed in a different thread or perhaps if this is a question that doesn't belong here - but has anyone tried filing Finecast? It seems like it would be a bad idea at first glance. Are we just hoping we can clean these figures up with hobby knives? Just curious what others' thoughts/experiences are on this.
That is one of the disadvantages of finecast. If you try to file it, the file bites too hard...you tear up the material.
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Post by: RiTides
Every finecast model I've seen has had some issue :-/. I don't know if this is true of metal, too, and it's just harder to see due to the lack of contrast... but it's discouraging.
I also don't like working with resin, as I don't have a space other than a spare room to hobby, and I don't feel comfortable making resin dust in there from my converting impulses, which come on strongly and without warning and are often acted out with a dremel in hand.
Given that the flaws, even small one, call for converting to fix or account for... well, I am less positive about finecast than I was at first.
I just bought a vampire model for Kanluwen, and had to choose between one with the bats on the base blurred out, and another with a bent sword... I know it can be bent back, but it's a bummer to have to choose between 2 models with problems.
If that's par for the course for resin... well, count me out of resin models...
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As to filing- I have the same issue I mentioned above (not wanting to create dust) and also, it is really, really fragile... so a file does a lot of damage quickly, and I agree that it seems hard to get smooth... again, a bummer of an issue to have when there are many defects to smooth out / deal with.
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Post by: Worglock
you don't need a file. you can use a hobby knife to clean it. It's hard to explain. Drag the knife along the mold line lightly with the blade directed away from the direction you're going.
As far as using something more file like. Maybe emory board? (like what you use on your fingernails). Haven't tried that yet. Might have to dig one out and test it on a piece of FC sprue.
I just use a dull(ish) hobby knife blade.
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Post by: -Loki-
A hobby knife is definitely all you need for cleaning finecast models. Files are terrible on the material.
A hobby knife will cut through it like butter though, so be careful, but things like resin tubes and flash just scrape right off.
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Post by: notprop
I am not inclined to worry about the resin dust, now correct me if I am wrong but there are no warnings on the packaging. Naturally breathing in particulates is not ideal but the lack of warnings would indicate that it is not a hazardous material. Slightly OT but I'm working on FoW minis at the moment and their resin stinks (I hate it). I would have thought that if anything is going to crook me that would be the stuff but the the only warning you get on FoW packaging is that metal components may contain lead. Man up and get conveting RiTides!
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Post by: RiTides
Heh . I guess I have a lack of trust? In the late '90s I was working at a carwash during high school (just dated myself). One day they switched the color of the cleaning spray. We asked why. Oh, nothing, just that the first one had been found to be a carcinogen...
I did extensively convert the two finecast models I've bought for myself- i.e. chopped them both up and made them into one . But it made me a bit uncomfortable doing so... and I had to hunt to find decent models in the store due to all the defects.
One was an orc painboy- the syringe was nonexistent on one of the models. The other was a black orc big boss- on the one I got the shield came out really ragged, and one tab of it wasn't there at all...
So, yeah, less enthused than I was :-/. I don't know about these new-fangled materials... I'm not happy with the (plastic/resin?) combination or whatever it is that Privateer Press is using, either, but for the opposite reason- it's much too stiff
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Post by: 12thRonin
Naturally breathing in particulates is not ideal but the lack of warnings would indicate that it is not a hazardous material.
Tobacco products had no warnings for about the first four hundred years they were commonly in use in these colonies and country.
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Post by: CrimsonHammer
I've bought the emperors champion, Inquisitor Cotaez, a terminator librarian, the marneus calgar boxed set. I've had a lot of forge world stuff in the past though so when finecast came out i EXPECTED a huge amount of problems with these models as i bought them. I hadn't really spoken to anyone about the stuff besides one kid when i was buying them said "careful you don't leave those in the sun." Well thats a moot point, i take care of my hyper expensive toy soldiers.
But i digress, the only problems i had were with the librarian, he had bit of detailing on his armour, one of the tiny strips which segment the back of terminator armour hadn't come out very well and i had to green stuff it in, he also had a chunk of the mould stuck in his armpit which took about an hour to pick out with a clothes pin.
But i wouldn't have even bought the calgar box if it hadn't been for finecast, i wanted it for a conversion project and finecast is an absolute joy to work with for my purposes.
i've got to admit though, i did laugh a lot when i saw that parody finecast logo on someones post on here.
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Post by: Ascalam
Bought some Incubi just after the changeover, and wasn't impressed.
I had a painboy get swapped a dozen times to get a decent cast also.
That said i just picked up a Lhamean, and the model is absolutely perfect.
Perhaps models designed for finecast, like the Lhamean, will come out better than the earlier models designed for metal and then changed over?
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Post by: Gorechild
I got the 4 Court models and another Haemonculus yesterday, the Lhamean and Sslyth were perfect. The body of the Medusae was fine but one of the faces had a bubble in, I was lucky that the second head option was okay, so I coud still make the model. The Ur-Ghul needs replacing though. It has bubbles all over his neck and shoulders and one in both of the two head options. I've not had time to check the Haemy yet, but he looks to be okay through the box.
My current fine cast record:
Fine: 5
slight issues, but useable: 10
Unusable: 12
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Post by: skrulnik
I got the Ogre Firebelly and Bragg the Gutsman.
I left one Bragg on the rack, since I could see some bubbles on his hook blade thru the blister.
The knife on Bragg's base snapped off in the package. I glued it back on but I am sure it will break again. It's just too thin.
The staff was quite warped, but I heated it back into shape. It seems to be gradually bending again.
The rest of him appears to be good. A couple bubbles on the under-surface of the feet/base.
The Firebelly had one big flaw, but I can make it work.
The neck join of the head was missing. You could see the shiny bubble edge where it was supposed to fill more.
The horns around his gutplate were in bad shape, misaligned, and bubbled. I shaved them into smaller horn shapes.
A big issue I can see in the future was the Arm/Head/Flame is one piece.
But when assembled, you need to twist it a bit to get it in place, so once glued, it is under tension.
The biggest flaw I find in the new material is you cannot get the minute adjustments to shape you could get with metal.
the slight twist of the arm, or a rope piece. And any long shaft sections will be warped and return to the warped state.
I haven't been burned by Finecast, but I will be extremely cautious about what I buy.
Stealing from Gorechild, my Finecast record:
Fine: 1
Slight issues but useable: 2
Passed on the model purely because it is Finecast: many (Incubi, Grotesques, Archon's Court, Hive Guard, Hive Tyrant, etc.)
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Post by: BrookM
Got both a Vampire Counts Vampire Lord (Lady actually), which had airbubbles all round and missed a few fingers and a Dark Eldar poison lady, which was of superb quality, hardly any flash and no airbubbles or holes. 50-50 for me.
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Post by: filbert
What's more concerning IMO, is that people are reporting flaws in recent batches (which if this were down to a simple lack of experience of the manufacturing process, one would have expected the quality to increase) and people are also reporting flaws in brand new models (see the chap above with the Firebelly).
Theoretically, these new models should have been sculpted and designed for the Finecast medium and so one would expect them to be problem free. The fact that there are flaws being reported shows that both GW's QA still isn't up to scratch and that the Finecast process itself would appear to have inherent flaws.
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Post by: CrimsonHammer
Something i'm sort of worried about is how, they're going to use the finecast re-release of some older models as an excuse not to update them.
i was going to start a vampire counts army until i saw that bloodknights were being redone in finecast, rather than as would make sense to me, a plastic box like the chaos knights and other heavy cavalry models in the game. And at £65 for 5, thats bassically made me not want to bother with the army at all.
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Post by: Gorechild
Gorechild wrote:The Ur-Ghul needs replacing though. It has bubbles all over his neck and shoulders and one in both of the two head options.
I went to the shop yesterday to sort out a replacement, the manager opened all 3 of the remaining Ur-Ghul models that they had in stock and they all had the same problem! He said they should be getting a delivery on Thursday, so I'll be going back this weekend to see if any of them are in a better state.
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Post by: Kanluwen
CrimsonHammer wrote:Something i'm sort of worried about is how, they're going to use the finecast re-release of some older models as an excuse not to update them.
i was going to start a vampire counts army until i saw that Blood Knights were being redone in finecast, rather than as would make sense to me, a plastic box like the chaos knights and other heavy cavalry models in the game. And at £65 for 5, that's basically made me not want to bother with the army at all.
Them putting something into Finecast does not prevent them from actually redoing the model in plastic. Finecast is using the existing sculpts and masters to make the molds, not them turning out a whole new set of sculpts of old models. I would be kind of surprised if we do not see redone cavalry for the Vampire Counts whenever a new book comes out, because the Black Knights are older than some of the posters on this forum and the Blood Knights, while new, have always been prohibitively expensive(both cash and points wise).
I should also add that Blood Knights have always been the odd cavalry out, as they were one of the few all-metal cavalry. The horses were all metal(as opposed to the hybrid plastic/metal that we saw in the Dragon Princes and Chaos Knights) and the riders were metal too.
This is kind of my follow-up to my post about Vlad. After the replacement model arrived, it became fairly clear that Vlad is a model that will cause problems in Finecast. The hand was intact(which is of course a Good Thing), but the detail on his sword's hilt(which is done as a kind of wirework basket hilt) was obscuring the hand grasping it. I supplied photos to GW, and they offered me a full refund or a metal Vlad. I took the metal option.
The Konrad that RiTides mentioned was in pretty damn good shape, and it wasn't until I started painting it that I noticed one of the blood drops he has going from his sword is seemingly broken. Doesn't matter though, as it looks fine without it.
Konrad is another model that I predict we'll see a lot of issues with. The way the swords are cast(they link together to form a single piece) makes them awkward as hell to unbend.
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Post by: Pyro-Druid
I've only brought a Farseer/Warlock box in finecast. Minor bubbles in all and mold lines of a Warlock was notably worse than metal models I've brought (others were about the same as metal models). Farseer is missing the end of his witchblade (has about 1/3rd of the lower hand, everything below that is gone). Also had a couple of the standard bent sword problem. Oh and one of the blades were as thick as they were wide, but as I don't have any metal Warlocks I can't say if this is a finecast flaw or just a flaw in the sculpt (would actually be interested to know which it is).
It will be a while yet until I try my luck with finecast again, but that's more because what I want/need are vehicles, still metal, or I intend to get he forgeworld equivalent.
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Post by: skrulnik
Yeah, the Warlock sword blades are pretty thick, even on the metals.
I had to file the hell out of one just to get it around 1/8" thick
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Post by: Pyro-Druid
Glad to hear, and thanks for letting me know.
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Post by: Cryage
Just thought i'd bump this thread instead of starting my own...
I bought my first Finecast with the new Newcrons - 2x Crypteks, 1x Trazyn.
I opened the first Cryptek and his right hand (the one carrying the orb, and even the one not carrying anything) was completely melded together, all of the fingers were joined. I took my knife and tried cutting between the fingers thinking maybe its just flashing but nope, its a solid meld with 2 distinguishable fingers sticking out of this blob.
The second Cryptek looked okay, then i opened it up and looked closer at all the fine grooves after i removed the flashing, and there is this red/pink dried out goo in them, i've tried cutting it out but it seems to be actually part of the mould now.
Now on to Trazyn, the most disappointing.
The staff looked a bit warped so I took the sprue and cut it out and low and behold it fell in front of me in two pieces... thinking "I can just glue this..." then thinking "...even though I shouldnt have too..." I cut out Trazyn and started to remove the flashing, and his shoulder moulds were so thin there were transparent holes that you could literally see through... do you remember that episode of the Simpsons where homer is trying to get fat and the doctor said the "grease test" was to wipe something on a solid surface and if it turned see through, it was greasy enough to eat - this is what it looked like, like a soiled mcdonalds hamburger wraper - it looked like it WAS there, but just transparent.
I didn't take any photos of the crypteks, but here is trazyn... sorry for the shoulder pic quality, my camera kept focusing on the carpet lol
Needless to say, all 3 models are being returned/exchanged... I can't imagine them making ANY profit from this if there are THIS many issues with the finecast and people constantly returning/exchanging them.
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Post by: JudgeShamgar
My own story: I bought a box of Plague Marines for a very specific reason. If they were totally miscast who would know? They should look melted, bubbled, ect. The ones that were cast right were wonderful, the two that weren't were so bad I got replacements for them. Also there was one entire arm/shoulder missing from the box. What I can't understand is someone is putting these items in a box, they didn't notice parts were missing, or how badly some of the units looked? It wasn't a total loss and they are nice but come on, look at what you are doing.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Other than slightly warped staff, my Cryptek was okay, Stormlord was worse, badly warped staff, and lots, (about thirty) little holes across his cloak. First I thought it was supposed to be cloth damage, then I realised his cloak is made of gemstones.
Nothing to send back over mind, I'll just fill them with glue and straighten the staff.
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Post by: Acardia
That sucks. I just got a 2nd cockatrice(using them as stand in great eagles) Other than some gnarly mould lines on the edges of the wings and a lot of loose flash it was a solid product.
Overall about the same as the last one, except with the loose flash.
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Post by: skrulnik
I almost bought Stormlord this weekend, but all the copies I saw had bubble issues.
The coffin symbols had bubbles in the corners, and the bottom edge of the ribcage was a long bubble.
Holes through the loincloth were another consistent flaw on the ones I looked at.
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Post by: Breotan
@Cryage - your second photo is too blurry to make anything out other than the threads in the carpet. Don't you check your camera work when you take pictures?
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Post by: Cryage
Breotan wrote:@Cryage - your second photo is too blurry to make anything out other than the threads in the carpet. Don't you check your camera work when you take pictures?
Cryage wrote:Just thought i'd bump this thread instead of starting my own...
I didn't take any photos of the crypteks, but here is trazyn... sorry for the shoulder pic quality, my camera kept focusing on the carpet lol
It was with my iPhone, not my Nikon D90, so forgive me for the quality! :p
I editted my original post with another photo where I circled the defects so you can somewhat make them out , or at least know where to look.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Those photos are thoroughly useless.
Go back, take them again with your actual camera and something other than the carpet as a background.
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Post by: Cryage
Kanluwen wrote:Those photos are thoroughly useless.
Go back, take them again with your actual camera and something other than the carpet as a background.
Wow, nerd rage personified.
I'll take better photos with my camera tonight, but I at least posted photos which is what 90% of the people in this thread didn't do. I understand politeness in today's world is a bit difficult, but just try harder next time And the picture of the broken staff isn't difficult to make out, unless you're blind...
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Post by: mattyrm
Cryage wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Those photos are thoroughly useless.
Go back, take them again with your actual camera and something other than the carpet as a background.
Wow, nerd rage personified.
hah!
Yeah no need for that like Kan, you sounded like an irate school teacher. "go and do it again foolish boy!"
The funny thing is that humans respond better to carrots that whips. If you said "thats a bad picture mate, can you shoot a better one?" I would say "Oh yeah sorry mate, hang on ill do it"
If you said..well, what you said. Id say ...
Well.. second words off.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Cryage wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Those photos are thoroughly useless.
Go back, take them again with your actual camera and something other than the carpet as a background.
Wow, nerd rage personified.
I'll take better photos with my camera tonight, but I at least posted photos which is what 90% of the people in this thread didn't do. I understand politeness in today's world is a bit difficult, but just try harder next time And the picture of the broken staff isn't difficult to make out, unless you're blind...
The point here is to report flaws.
It's not simply to "have pictures". If you're going to have pictures, don't post camera phone pictures taken on your carpet. While yes, it's quite easy to see the broken staff(which I might add is likely a case of it was broken when it was cast somehow, as I've seen similar stuff with FW's small resin bits)--circling "defects" doesn't help when the "defects" are completely blurry and incapable of being seen, outside of what looks to be a small hole in the shoulderpads.
Just don't use carpets as a background. Seriously. You can compose the best photos ever, but cameras macro on the carpet as the background.
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Post by: Cryage
Kanluwen wrote:
It's not simply to "have pictures". If you're going to have pictures, don't post camera phone pictures taken on your carpet. While yes, it's quite easy to see the broken staff(which I might add is likely a case of it was broken when it was cast somehow, as I've seen similar stuff with FW's small resin bits)--circling "defects" doesn't help when the "defects" are completely blurry and incapable of being seen, outside of what looks to be a small hole in the shoulderpads.
Just don't use carpets as a background. Seriously. You can compose the best photos ever, but cameras macro on the carpet as the background.
Completely agree, and noted.
Just underlined what you said though, isn't that the exact flaw I was talking about ?
Anyway yeah, back on topic - The one thing I can say I DO like about the finecast is how well and quickly it goes glue together. I mean I got a Tomb Stalker off forgeworld and the thing had ZERO issues and glued together beautifully... albeit took quite awhile with it having like 10,000 pieces, but it was a fantastic model to assemble. Not sure why GW's are having so many issues
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