Right, rather sick of the whole slagging off etc, I felt it was about time those who have actually procured Finecast, to list their experience, so that we can see what the actual experience is, rather than the complaints of those who you know, haven't actually bought any and just want something to whinge about.

I shall start. So far, I have 1 Hive Tyrant, 3 Hive Guard, 2 Pyrovore, 2 Zoanthropes, Nurgle Daemon Prince, 3 Tyrant Guard, 6 Haemonculus, 2 Liche Priests, 1 Tomb King, 2 Necrotects, 30 Wracks, 3 Grotesques, and 10 Incubi in Finecast (inheritance rules!)

In all honesty, the only problems I've had thus far, are 2 Tyrant Guard (one was a messy cast, and the replacement is a mispack) and one of the Liche Priests has a messed up staff. Now as I live literally 5 minutes from my local GW, I'll let you decide whether this is acceptable or not. I'm not that fussed as it's easily swapsied in store.

Now some stuff is yet to be investigated (3 boxes of Wracks, and the Incubi in particular are still shrink wrapped) but overall, I'm pretty happy with it.

So, if you have bought Finecast, list any problems you've had.

So far I've only bought 2 Finecast products, a Warhammer Khorne Lord on foot and a box of Wracks - both have had problems.

The Khorne Lord had numerous holes and miscasts although I was able to fix them. Fortunately the worst bubbles were underneath the model so you can't see them once he's based. The finite details, such as the metal spikes on the axe and shield often had small bubbles on the top and both hands had problems, which I was able to fix to an acceptable standard Also a lot of small details were missing, like teeth on the skulls etc - a lot of people would have sent this back but I'm stubborn

The Wracks were 50/50 - 2 were perfectly fine, the rest had small to moderate issues. The frequent ones being holes in hands and on their 'spine racks' and Finecast material where there shouldn't be any - in their visor holes or arm sockets. I had to scrape these out and one's head I had to scrape back and re-drill holes into it as it looked like a blob. Also the material is fragile and the liquifier gun's tube was snapped in half, a Wrack was free from the sprue and 2 weapons were very loose and actually came off when I clipped them from the sprue. Fortunately the material bonds really well with glue, but I felt I had to glue a lot of areas to strengthen them up (especially on chains). Aside from this I'm enjoying painting the Wracks, the material is great to paint on but for me it has questionable fragility issues.

If you work on Wracks take great care removing mould lines, especially on their spinal backs, make sure you have good purchase on the botton of the area you are trimming, otherwise it'll snap. It's also very easy to carve through areas like the syringe tops etc if you are not careful.

So two purchases, multiple errors - typically around hands and finite details. I found they took just as long, if not longer, than metal to put together, weren't as forgiving and felt really fragile and cheap - I think the more detail, particularly fine details, a model has the more of a problem this material may be to work with.

I haven't tried the Finecast stuff yet, just too much stuff in my to paint box to justify more minis this minute.

I've read a fair bit on the flaws and stuff in Finecast too. They seem to fall into two categories - really easy to fix and return it to GW. With GW being their usual handy selves on returns, I don't really see the need for a metric tonne of complaints.

Only bought one, the Eldar Avatar of Khaine.

Only a flaws are:

*The sword is bent
*Air bubbles on the rune plate on the chest which are hard to fix
*Part of the mould stuck in the shoulder pad spike of the sword arm, came out but had to reshape the tip of the spike.

That was basically it. Took about an hour to prep through due to the huge amount of mould lines, but on the plus side it looks fantastic.

Mr Mystery.
As Finecast is promoted and marketed as 'Highest quality possible, premium product.'
I would suggest ANY flaws are not aceptable.

Simple use of sampling plans to BS 6000 would allow GW plc to determine the level of errors at source.
And as they has relativley few errors in the metal minatures , I assume they used this sort of quality procedure before.
(I have bought over 500 metal minatures from GW and only ever had ONE mis-pack.Not even ONE mis cast.)

So its not that fact that a quantity of Finecast minatures has flaws.

But the fact that the product was released to distributors /retailers KNOWING it was flawed.(This is the only reason I can see for the incresed return rate.)

Because returns do NOT show up in detail on financial reports .
However a delay in shipments , or reduced out put due to rejections for inferior quality generaly do!

Dude, did I say owt about whether or not it's acceptable?

Nope! This thread is about actually listing problem models, and seeing what is actually going on, rather than friend of a friend anecdotes.

I think it is interesting to collect the data. Let's stick with the topic.

I've purchased two finecast items... a Tau Sniper Drone Team and a Chaplain. Both were fine. Most of the blisters I looked at in the store appeared fine.

And for the person who said they purchased 500 metal models that were perfect casts... yeah. I don't believe you. Surely there were mold lines and vent lines. I've never seen a metal GW model that didn't require some sort of prep work. I call that as a hyperbolic statement.

I have not personally bought any yet, but I helped my friend assemble his Finecast hive tyrant and I inspected it closely. I noticed a number of small bubbles on the torso, including some at the end of spikes that would be hard to repair. The only other problem was the amount of mold lines, but they did not obscure the details and came off easily.

Bought a DE Succubus with three glaive parts (two of them were broken and packed anyway?) the model was slightly misaligned (one half of the model was about 1/8" off the other half). Plenty of air bubbles and bits of mold in the hair of the model.

Also bought Lelith, not as bad, but had many air bubbles and bits of mould in the hair. Also a solid chunk of resin was at the side of the face where the ear is supposed to be.

I don't think anyone mentioned the 500 metal models?

Please keep this on track. It's an exercise in proper information gathering. Conclusion can be made in a seperate thread.

I have a Succubus and a Chaplain with jump pack, they are great.
The Succubus had a bubble under her chin, but that disappeared when assembled.
The Chaplain had a few bubbles in his Crozius. Not very big, so it doesn't matter.
Otherwise perfect. I love 'em.

i was going to buy a DE haemonculus, but of the three that were on the shelf, they were all bad quality, so i had a quick skim through some other blisters and found about 40% with noticable defects. I decided to keep my money.

I have brought the Emporers Champion,one tiny bubble under where the back pack sticks on, but no major miscasts. The sword was slightly bent, but that is easily fixed.

I have just finished assembling a unit of Wracks, my first Finecast purchase.

I was very impressed by the quality of all the models appearance and on first glance they all looked just fine.

4 out of the 5 models were absolutely perfect from start to finish and sit primed waiting for the attention of my (rather busy) brush.

On one of them (the two-headed one) had an arm socket filled with resin that required cutting out. There were also a few tiny air holes in his right hand.

His blade also broke off whilst trimming his body. I will make a mental note that, in places, resin is not as strong or supple as the metal and plastic kits respectively. This is more user error than faulty product.

I filled the holes with tiny blobs of pva. His blade was a clean break and was an easy fix. Superglue really holds the resin very well.

All in all the 'maintenance' took about 5 minutes to fix and I'm far happier that my new models are resin rather than metal so my first experience of Finecast is a resounding thumbs-up.

As mentioned by the OP I also live quite close to a GW store so if there ever were any issues in the future it wouldn't really be a biggy for me to get it sorted. I do understand for those that live further away that it could be quite annoying if that were the case. I've heard nothing but good stories so far from GW's customer relations team though with regards to swapping miscasts etc.

Boar

I got to hand it to you Grotsnik, you're White Knighting has reached an all new level of crazy with this thread. You make The Kan look like... me!

Mr Mystery wrote:So, if you have bought Finecast, list any problems you've had.

Yeah I got a problem:

The Failcost Shokk Attack Gun my friend bought didn't have any more detail than the metal version despite GW telling me that Failcost was the greatest human invention since electricity, is made out of a far cheaper material to the metal one, didn't come with two in the box like Mantic's new models, and yet it cost a lot more than the metal one. Why is that?

Mr Mystery wrote:I don't think anyone mentioned the 500 metal models?

Please keep this on track. It's an exercise in proper information gathering. Conclusion can be made in a seperate thread.

You should edit your first post and keep a list of people's results as they say what they purchased.

*100% Fine
*Flawed but decided to keep
*Flawed but decided to return

If people are willing to say they bought two blisters and both were fine, they go in the fine tally. If they had bubbles or bent, it goes in one of the flawed columns.

Quantify the data in the thread for people!

I bought a Big Mek and Painboy and both had no flaws as far as I could see. (they only had 1 of each so I didn't have alternatives to pick from. I inspected for obvious flaws like metal but not too crazy of an inspection prcoess)

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah I got a problem:

The Failcost Shokk Attack Gun my friend bought didn't have any more detail than the metal version despite GW telling me that Failcost was the greatest human invention since electricity, is made out of a far cheaper material to the metal one, didn't come with two in the box like Mantic's new models, and yet it cost a lot more than the metal one. Why is that?

Go get a sandectomy instead of de-railing the thread.


Emperors Champion, no defects.
Ghazkull Thraka, one sprue really messed up. Still trying to get my thumb out and go replace it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I got to hand it to you Grotsnik, you're White Knighting has reached an all new level of crazy with this thread. You make The Kan look like... me! ....says a bunch of other off topic bs.....

Totally irrelevant to the discussion topic.

On topic: Can't give exact numbers, but can list what I have returned to me:

-Azhag with very thin wing membranes and a hole in one wing
-Corteaz with a bubble under the outstretched hand
-Termi librarian with bubble and chip
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hmm, and several more on my desk that I can't recall. Will edit when I get to work.

The closest decent store (LGS) to me is 2 1/2 hours away. There are no GW stores within 400 miles of me. That pretty much means everything I get is ordered online. That being said at this point Finecast is lacking the quality to make it worth ordering. Maybe someday it will be, but not now. Ill stick with metal or plastic.

Anyone who posts data should also say if the models were a completely blind purchase or if several blisters were inspected to find the best cast.

The consensus at my local GW store has been pretty good with finecast. Here is my list of purchases that I have built and addressed so far. I have 5 grotesques, and a few other dark eldar blisters I haven't opened yet so I'm leaving them out for now. Based against what I've been hearing here I feel I've been pretty fortunate. I would say that my experience with finecast has been good. I love the look and weight of the models in resin, and I've found them to be much easier to work with.

*EDIT* As someone posted while I was typing, I will mention these were blind purchases in the respect that I grabbed the first blister or box off the shelf and bought it. *End Edit*

The Good

Inquisitor Coteaz- perfect
Castellan Crowe- perfect cast: sword bent but fixed in a couple of minutes
Marneus Calgar and honor guard- all models fine
Lord Commisar- model fine but lots of flash
Dante- perfect
Astroath- perfect

The Fixable Bad

Terminator librarian: Thin cloak in parts, you can see light through parts of it. air bubble created a hole in part of the cable connecting the force staff. miscast on foot that took a bit of filing and sculpting. To me this model meets the absolute minimum standard of a model I would keep. Anything else and I would have returned it

Dark Eldar Wracks (2 boxes) I opened these up and found that one has a blade hanging from a chain on his back that has had the handle simply not casted along with the blade so its like a big piece of flash stuck to the cloak. I can cut it off and file it smooth. It's a small detail. another one had a huge fail but fortunately its confined to the bottom side of the cloak. The cloak's shape is fully intact and the failure is not on a part of the model that would be viewed from any angle unless you flip it upside down and even then it may be concealed by the base. I will fill it and move on.

The Unacceptable:

The Green Knight: A major failure along the cloak on one of his shoulders leaving a relative canyon of missing sculpt on flowing fabric on the most visible portion of the model from the table top perspective. I will be returning it asap.

Of course this is all anecdotal too, as some people may not spot a flaw and thus report a flawed cast as perfect.

So pointless thread too really.

Imperial Commissar Lord and Space Marine Terminator Librarian were both great, average mould lines, only one bubble on the commissar which was under the left foot. I was surprised that the termie was in such good shape, including the ammo belt on the included storm bolter.

Big P wrote:Of course this is all anecdotal too, as some people may not spot a flaw and thus report a flawed cast as perfect.

So pointless thread too really.

Oh dear. Not a great first post. Of course this is still largely anecdotal, but first hand experience trumps 'friend of a friend read on a website that somewhere this happened' no?

Everyone stick to the topic or moderators will have to take serious action!

Only 3 Finecast purchases here.

Lelith, DE Succubus and Malagor. Only flaws on any of them were excessive flash, or what I created with over zealous trimming. I got some more finecast purchases lined up hopefully this week, so I'll add more to this thread as I get them.

I bought some incubi and the only noticeable flaws are that some of the fingers are slightly offset.

My biggest complaint is that on a warm summers day the weapons are rubbery. I may buy more finecast sometime, but only after careful consideration.

This is the sum of my finecast purchases:

Brother-Captain Stern: a very small bubble at the tip of the nose. One moment with a knife to take off the jutting tip and it just looks like he got hit in the face a lot. The thin part of his heraldry shield was also so thin it was translucent but this wasn't even noticeable after it was glued onto the post that holds it. This was the best blister in the GW shop.

Tankbustas: Most have least one 1mm x 2mm or larger bubble somewhere on an arm, gun handle, or hand. All noticeable. 4 such errors. Bomb-squiqs, nob, and the tankhamma guy were fine. This box was just grabbed off the shelf. Wasn't bothered enough by the bubbles to go to the effort of swapping them.

Painboy: the tip of his syringe is covered in flash and there's a tiny bubble on the edge of his meat cleaver. the grot is fine. Only blister left in the shop at the time.


In short: Stern and the painboy have tiny, almost unnoticeable issues. I didn't even catch the nose until someone in the comparison thread on here saw it in the pictures. The tankbustas have bigger holes in them.

I purchased the Lelith model directly from GW online. Mr Wells hand delivered the package. Once the blister was opened, Mr. Wells let me borrow his sunglasses as the divine radiance would blind a mere mortal, I could tell it was perfection. Nonetheless Jes was on hand to take care of any minor imperfections with GS. After that a member of the 'Eavy Metal team painted the model to my exact specifications. All in all, not a bad purchase for $18.25 US.

First box of the Incubi is a bit lack lustre. The back pack spiney things are all a little mussed. Will check the other box out later.

While i didnt purchase any (yet) i had a look at the 7 or 8 blisters at one of the flgs's in Vancouver, and couldn't see anything wrong all but other than some minor mold lines. The one "bad" one had alot of flash, but i couldn't tell if it affected the model too badly without being able to open the blister.

Got a termie librarian from mail order.

Detail was crisp and excellent.

Lots of bubbles on the underside of the feet and robes but nowhere that you can see it.

Some easily removed (single pass with file) flash between robes & legs and arms & torso.

Staff was bent, straightened with warm water.

Opening up the second box of Incubi now...

That's more like it! Fair amount of flash (not so much on the models, just the 'skin' between the parts. Easy enough to clean off though.

Doesn't look like any misaligned bits, so over all happier with this one.

Just to be clear... are we considering 'flash' or 'mold lines' flaws?

I was under the impression all resins/plastics had mold lines and most resin kits I have gotten have had loads of flash. I have never seen cleaning eith of those up unreasonable except if the mold line was the result of a unlinedup mold and damaged the model.

I know people are saying filling bubbles is unreasonable and requires advanced modeling, but I never thought that moldlines/flash was anything but expected in modeling...

(and metal had all those little tab points that had to be filed off. I just spent an hour removing little poky bitz from SM shouderpads.)

Perhaps you should classify the degree of acceptability.

A. No issues, or only Minor issues which are acceptable given this is a self-assembly product. (After all, even Tamiya kits have sprue attachment points to clean up). This would include minor amounts of flash, small or unseeable bubbles, very slight mould offset problems, and slightly warped parts that are easily fixed with hot water.

B. Significant miscasting; which would require an unacceptable amount of work except for an inexperienced modeller. This would include serious flash, large bubbles or lots of them, in places which show, gaps needing filling, seriously bent parts and the like.

C. Kits with gross defects such chunks of detail missing which would require skilful and patient rebuilding with putty or replacement with new parts. (Even if you intended to replace a sword with a different weapon, if the sword was badly miscast it counts as a serious defect for the purpose of the statistics.)

Have an Archon and Succubus. Other than seeming considerably weaker than any other GW stuff I own, no serious problems.

To be honest, I'd like to leave the classification to the individual, rather than risk the derailing of the thread with what does and doesn't fall into each category etc.

For instance, first box of Incubi is going back. None of the problems are insurmountable, but given the convenience of having GW 5 minutes away, and my general laziness, the return is my choice.

Just makes more sense to me to let the individual decide, rather than be an arbiter.

Bought 2 boxes of wracks and 2 haemonuculi.

The wracks are mostly good, minor bubbles, one major bubble out of ten models. The haemonuculi was a little different, out of 6 packs there was only 2 that werent missing parts or in the case of one was missing the entire section from the feet down.

All in all I found them to be more of a pain to clean, but they assemble much nicer with the superglue practically adhering instantly.

Without objective criteria...this whole exercise is useless drivel. That was the point to my first post in this thread. But, since you want to leave it to subjective opinion, I suppose we can be done with the thread. Also, pics would be required in order to substantiate claims. It would be only fair.

Thing is, being me, bunch of posters would simply attack any and all categories I devised, leading the immediate and permanent derailing of the thread.

Plus, how many categories? Three seems a bit scant, but how many would just be nitpicky? Hence I feel it's best to let the individual state whether or not they are happy with their particular Finecast or not. It's not about saying who is right and who is wrong, but a subject for individuals.

However, if the consensus is that we use some kind of scale, then we might as well use the one above, by Killkrazy.

In which case, out of the duff ones I've had, they fall into B, everything slotting into A very neatly.

Never seen a C-Class myself, though I suppose the spazzed up Staff on the Liche Priest was nudging it. If I was skilled enough, I could have made it into a kickass looking 'split blade' weapon. But that's by-the-by. Model wasn't up to scratch, so I returned it.

Nice model by the way. Suitably delicate looking, and has certainly benefitted from the material.

On topic...

Vampire Countess - Bent sword. That is all.

Mr Mystery wrote:Right, rather sick of the whole slagging off etc, I felt it was about time those who have actually procured Finecast, to list their experience, so that we can see what the actual experience is, rather than the complaints of those who you know, haven't actually bought any and just want something to whinge about.

I shall start. So far, I have 1 Hive Tyrant, 3 Hive Guard, 2 Pyrovore, 2 Zoanthropes, Nurgle Daemon Prince, 3 Tyrant Guard, 6 Haemonculus, 2 Liche Priests, 1 Tomb King, 2 Necrotects, 30 Wracks, 3 Grotesques, and 10 Incubi in Finecast (inheritance rules!)

In all honesty, the only problems I've had thus far, are 2 Tyrant Guard (one was a messy cast, and the replacement is a mispack) and one of the Liche Priests has a messed up staff. Now as I live literally 5 minutes from my local GW, I'll let you decide whether this is acceptable or not. I'm not that fussed as it's easily swapsied in store.

Now some stuff is yet to be investigated (3 boxes of Wracks, and the Incubi in particular are still shrink wrapped) but overall, I'm pretty happy with it.

So, if you have bought Finecast, list any problems you've had.

So, we remove the stuff you have not investigated. (wracks and incubi)

This gives us 26 models. Of that, you have had problems with 2. That's error serious enough for you, as a defender of the faith, to cite. Error rate of 1 in 13 models that have made it to retail. So an 8% fault margin.

Read a little further...Incubi are one good, one duff.

And dude, I'm trying to be as objective at this as possible, being all too aware that some might see it as some kind of smoke and mirrors 'it's not all that bad' type thread. I dunno what others experiences have been, but I am keen to find out. No point in calling people out for just parroting something they read on the Internets, if you don't at least attempt a source of multiple experiences etc.

Of the Chaos Raptors I bought only one, out of 5, hand had been badly miscast, a simple hand swap with a plastic plasma pistol from my bits tub sorted this.

That and the feet just dont look quite right, it looks as if they have been overfilled, whether this was a mold problem or not im not 100% sure.

Happy enough to keep them though.

Mr Mystery wrote:
And dude, I'm trying to be as objective at this as possible, being all too aware that some might see it as some kind of smoke and mirrors 'it's not all that bad' type thread. I dunno what others experiences have been, but I am keen to find out. No point in calling people out for just parroting something they read on the Internets, if you don't at least attempt a source of multiple experiences etc.

Well, when we have you saying things like:

Mr Mystery wrote:

Take me, former employee (no less than three stints) loyal to the product, a total gaming whore, but most interested in friendly, narrative gaming...

If you like, we're the spoiled brats to GW's parents. They physically cannot please every single player. That they manage to keep their core gamers happy is a small miracle.

So face up to it. GW do really rather well, all things considered.

Some might question your objectivity. You're the diametric opposite to HBMC, so perhaps you starting this thread, rather than someone more central, might open you to criticism, given your penchant for defending GW over multiple pages.

*ahem*

I don't pretend to be objective MGS. I know full well what my bias is. And I give credit where credit’s due (like GW’s new single-frame plastic character models, which I think are amazing).

I may have a chip on my shoulder about these things, but I’m certainly not going to be disingenuous about this (unlike some people). This is why I laugh when people dismissed my problem with Failcost on the previous page as ‘off topic bs’, or that I need a sandectamy.

I’m sorry, but I was told that Finecast was the ‘biggest hobby development in years’, kits that were ‘the latest step in hobby evolution’ and that they were made from ‘incredibly detailed, high-quality resin’ and that once I had them painting and modelling Citadel miniatures would never be ‘as rewarding as this’. They said that Finecast were the ‘most detailed models [they’ve] ever produced’. It was meant to be ‘nothing less than a new era in wargaming’ as these were meant to be ‘the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen’. These are all GW’s own words here, by the way.

And what’s the end result?

Well... putting aside all the miscasts and other horrible production/QA problems, these models aren’t the second coming of Christ. They’re just like the metal models and have same level of detail. No heavenly trumpets sounded when Finecast was released despite GW’s claims that it would be ‘hard to describe just how detailed they are’. Of course it’s hard to describe, because they’re no more detailed than the ones they are replacing. And then there’s the fact that the prices went up.

The truth is that Finecast is nothing but smoke and mirrors, a terribly disingenuous bit of marketing nonsense designed to hide the fact that GW switched to resin to save money because tin prices are going up, and then they had the hide to raise the prices on the models they were replacing. They contain no better detail than the metal models, are cast in an inferior manner that has led to all sorts of defects far and above any metal model. I had hoped that Finecast was a stop-gap, something to tide us over until they can start doing everything in plastic. The new single-frame plastic miniatures speak to that, but the Failcost Cockatrice says otherwise.

We’ve been lied to, quite blatantly, and this is a problem, and as this thread is about Finecast problems (and not at all about Mystery’s insatiable need to defend GW), I thought it worth raising. Dismiss me all you like – you can even go the Polonius route and claim I’m not a real person; that’s always an amusing rebuttal – but please don’t delude yourself into thinking that this thread is anything more than another attempt to defend GW against ‘Evil Internet Hater Hyperbole’ or that there’s anything ‘fine’ about Finecast...

H.B.M.C. wrote:*ahem*

I don't pretend to be objective MGS. I know full well what my bias is. And I give credit where credit’s due (like GW’s new single-frame plastic character models, which I think are amazing).

Indeed, and as far as I can recall, you have not been launching 'scientific' threads which might or might not devolve into you pushing your agenda, or being accused thereof.

And describing you as i have is no insult, merely pointing out that on the apologist/hater scale, you and Mr Mystery are on the two far scales re notable posters on the site.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:*ahem*

I don't pretend to be objective MGS. I know full well what my bias is. And I give credit where credit’s due (like GW’s new single-frame plastic character models, which I think are amazing).

Indeed, and as far as I can recall, you have not been launching 'scientific' threads which might or might not devolve into you pushing your agenda, or being accused thereof.

And describing you as i have is no insult, merely pointing out that on the apologist/hater scale, you and Mr Mystery are on the two far scales re notable posters on the site.

And to be completely blunt, like Mr Mystery said: if he(or I, or you, or HBMC for that matter) were to post up documentation of Finecast models warping or melting under exposure to simple light or even simply regarding the quality, there'd be accusations from one side or the other that the bias was "skewing" the results.

Would it be true? Probably not. But no matter what, we're just dudes on the Internets with different opinions.

At best, I'd honestly say Mr. Mystery is trying to do this in the best way available right now--getting people to report their own experiences in this thread.
I do also think that the point about "was it the first model you picked off the shelf or did you have to open up the entire packaging of the store to find one that was passable?" should be taken into consideration with these experiences.

Bought Queek and Snitch and no problems on either

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Indeed, and as far as I can recall, you have not been launching 'scientific' threads which might or might not devolve into you pushing your agenda, or being accused thereof.

And describing you as i have is no insult, merely pointing out that on the apologist/hater scale, you and Mr Mystery are on the two far scales re notable posters on the site.

I took no insult from your words, I only wished to clarify that I don't pretend to be unbiased. I am biased, I am subjective, and I’m proud of it. I’ve even edited my above post with further clarification of why I consider what I said on page one as a legitimate ‘problem’.

Kilkrazy wrote:Everyone stick to the topic or moderators will have to take serious action!

You chaps like living on the dangerous side of life don't you?

I'd watch out or he'll set adorable Asian girls on you.

I have received:
Nurgle Demon Prince
2 Boxes Plague Marines
all the BA characters
Terminator Librarian
Draigo
Eldar Seer Council

Nothing more than a bubble here or there.

I recently, out of curiosity, inspected (in the package) every blister at my FLGS, which is a GW store. In the LOTR, WHFB and 40K lines.

From what I could tell, the detail was fantastic and the only model that I could find with issues was a single Tau ethereal, which when I pointed out to the manager, he took it off the shelf and prepped it to be sent back.

I'd say that's a fairly decent ratio of good:damaged models.

I've only bought one model myself, and it's very good. (Death Jester).

Only bought 1 model:

- Imperial guard lord commissar: apart from one small air bubble, it's perfect. It was also the first one I picked up.

While I realize this may be a bit off, but if HMBC is considered unbiased, then I really don't know what unbiased is anymore.

Not to accuse anyone, I'm just saying.

While I am still waiting on a bunch of stuff in the mail thanks to the Canada post strike (grumble grumble...) I picked up another big mek with kff. One of the nuts hanging around his neck is slightly miscast, their is a hole/bubble in one of his fingers, a small chunk missing from a round bit on the kff and the axe/wrench is bent. Easy fixes however I am disappointed that I have to pull out the green stuff and fix it in the first place. It also has a bunch of flash however that should be easier to remove then when it was metal.

Cryonicleech wrote:While I realize this may be a bit off, but if HMBC is considered unbiased, then I really don't know what unbiased is anymore.

Not six posts above your's:

"... I don't pretend to be unbiased. I am biased, I am subjective, and I’m proud of it."

Did'ya miss that?

Bought a big mek, disaster of a product. missing half of the end ball of the kff, missing chainage, missing half of the blade of the axe on the end of giant wrench, missing a section of helmet...

REALLY REALLY bad shape

will never buy finecast again

1 Finecaster Commisar for me. It was in perfect shape.

Cryonicleech wrote:While I realize this may be a bit off, but if HMBC is considered unbiased, then I really don't know what unbiased is anymore.

Not to accuse anyone, I'm just saying.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:While I realize this may be a bit off, but if HMBC is considered unbiased, then I really don't know what unbiased is anymore.

Not six posts above your's:

"... I don't pretend to be unbiased. I am biased, I am subjective, and I’m proud of it."

Did'ya miss that?

*adds to 'The List' *

I picked up two so far. One was a terminator librarian, which was just fine. The other was a Boss Zagstruk, which had I noticed the flaws while still in store (mostly bubbling on the underside of the model, but one annoying hole in his chin) would have made me pick a different one. Silly me for not opening the box. As it stood, it was less time to fix it up than go back.

Big P wrote:Of course this is all anecdotal too, as some people may not spot a flaw and thus report a flawed cast as perfect.

So pointless thread too really.

As pointless as the complaining then.)

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:While I realize this may be a bit off, but if HMBC is considered unbiased, then I really don't know what unbiased is anymore.

Not six posts above your's:

"... I don't pretend to be unbiased. I am biased, I am subjective, and I’m proud of it."

Did'ya miss that?

Ahh, wasn't accusing you, but other people apparently find you unbiased... Good show on your part though.

/shrug.

Big P wrote:Of course this is all anecdotal too, as some people may not spot a flaw and thus report a flawed cast as perfect.

But... what if it doesn't have a flaw? Silly to assume they ALL have flaws, though many do.

I was given my first Finecast mini last Saturday, the Dark Eldar Succubus:


It took over an hour of cleaning up the very annoying mould lines and for this reason Im not sold on the resin already. The mould lines, once removed, showed a slight variation in the mould allignment. This will require a miliputt wash and sanding to fix to a presentable standard.

It isnt terrible, but the right shoe had bubbles on the back and inside ankle. Bubbles are also present on the right arm; on some of the skulls on the trophy rack; and in other less-noticable areas. Im just glad these are easily apparent and not over important details. I would note here that the miliputt wash should solve these. However, while this is a HQ/Elite choice for gamers, the skills and knowledge involved in preparing these for painting are above the standard gamer'sand certainly above a newly-introduced hobbyist.

This is also a very brittle resin. Not as brittle as some, but the flexing does not prevent tears which lead to breakages, as I discovered with the tassle on the spear. In my attempts to clean an injection point, the tassle wiggled twice them simply snapped off. So, I cleaned where it joined and threw it in the bin... what is it with skulls and tassles on everything?

Im not hating them, but I do not see this as the revolution GW are pretending it is...

Bought one first day termie librarian, the staff had a noticable hole that I filled with putty.

If I didn't need it that week, I would have returned it, but I was able to make it work.

I'm wondering if the very early pieces were worse.

Only had two returns to the store yet on our fine cast. One box of incubi had the swords snapped, no biggie, probably an overzealous packer rather than actual flaws.

Had an astorath the grim come back that had one arm missing from the elbow up. Other than that, I have seen no issues at all, and I get people to open them instore if possible to make sure so that they can exchange right away

6 Captain Stern - rejected in store - various issues
3 Captain Stern - returned - various issues
1 Captain Stern - huge amount of putty work (refunded)
1 Emperor's Champion - bent sword, no other noticed issues.

3 finecast purchases.

Elrond/gil-gilad bundle (come in a pack of 2 now) - Elronds base tab was thing, but fixed easily with super.
Sauron and downed kings of men - Easily the best, very little mould lines and detail was spot on. Mace was bent but that was post-opening the sprue.
Dark Angel Commander - Had heavy mould on the cloak, and needed to trim some stuff off.

I have seen abaddon models with the trophy rack half missing, tyranids with claws gone and so forth. I'd say roughly 30% would have mild to severe issues, 10% being needed to return to GW.

AvatarForm wrote:I was given my first Finecast mini last Saturday, the Dark Eldar Succubus:


It took over an hour of cleaning up the very annoying mould lines and for this reason Im not sold on the resin already. The mould lines, once removed, showed a slight variation in the mould allignment. This will require a miliputt wash and sanding to fix to a presentable standard.

It isnt terrible, but the right shoe had bubbles on the back and inside ankle. Bubbles are also present on the right arm; on some of the skulls on the trophy rack; and in other less-noticable areas. Im just glad these are easily apparent and not over important details. I would note here that the miliputt wash should solve these. However, while this is a HQ/Elite choice for gamers, the skills and knowledge involved in preparing these for painting are above the standard gamer'sand certainly above a newly-introduced hobbyist.

This is also a very brittle resin. Not as brittle as some, but the flexing does not prevent tears which lead to breakages, as I discovered with the tassle on the spear. In my attempts to clean an injection point, the tassle wiggled twice them simply snapped off. So, I cleaned where it joined and threw it in the bin... what is it with skulls and tassles on everything?

Im not hating them, but I do not see this as the revolution GW are pretending it is...

Reading through the thread, I need to add:

I did not buy this, it was a gift. I called my mate who gave it to me and he said it was the best of those on the shelf.

If I wished to return this for another, it would require a 2 hour drive to the nearest GW... and back again.

This was from batch 000003.

So my friend just unboxed his new DE Haemonculus and its missing a finger!

My roommate:
1 Chaplin with Jump Pack, batch number 1:
- Bolt pistol arm unsalvageable, Rivets on shoulderpad obscured by solid chunk of resin.
- Main body detail issues, textured grip on Crosius has slight 'texture continuity issues', for lack of a better way to describe. Salvageable.
- Jump pack part, chain on side of jump pack non-existent in parts, sculpting needed to repair missing sections of actual jump pack unit. Unsalvageable.

1 Chaplin with Jump Pack, replacement for the one above, still batch number 1:
- Bolt pistol arm better, Almost had to carve out another rivet though. Salvageable.
- Body in worse shape, missing details on chains. I forget the exact locations. Unsalvageable.
- Jump pack actually in fair shape. Mold lines and excess flash, but not damaging to detail.

Between the two, he managed to cobble together a functional enough Chaplin that you didn't really notice the flaws in so badly after it was painted. Still less "fine" than the old metal ones were.

Me:
Terminator Librarian:
- Body is in good shape overall, however, there was a bubble in back corner of foot, could be filled in. Also, a corner of one of the shoulderpads was missing that I didn't notice prior to painting him. Would have gotten a green rating were it not for this fact.
- Staff arm initially appeared in good shape, though I noticed later it had a crack in it right at the head of the staff. I didn't use that arm as I planned on using a GK arm, but if I would have, the head of the staff would have snapped off after the first or second time being put in my case.
- Other pieces I didn't use actually turned up in good shape. Combiplasma, stormbolter, and the big book thingy all looked okay, but I didn't give them a very thorough inspection as I wasn't using them yet.

I have a single picture of the Chaplin, but it doesn't do justice to the number of issues it as it was still in the box and taken from my phone.

If it were a normal line of resin products, I would not be irritated about it, however, having owned a metal version of both of these minis, and then hearing Finecast being touted as the "BEST MINIS EVAR!!one" and buying some for conversion BASED UPON the fact that they were supposed to be easier to work with and higher (or at least as high of) quality as the metal ones, AND sitting through a pricehike for it, I'm overall disappointed. Not really angry; there's no rage, just disappointment for what could have been.

Purchased 2 figures so far.

Njall Stormcaller for my wife, and I can't see a thing wrong with him. Looks amazing.

And Lelith Hesperax for me. She didn't look that bad in the blister, and she was the best of the lot, but when I got home I realized that most of her spikes and some of her hair didn't form, and she had some major issues with a hole where her chin should have been. Also, the figure was extremely bendy. Like limp spaghetti bendy. Replaced with a new one from GW customer service. Minor flash, and only one air bubble which was amusingly enough on her butt. Filled with gap-filling glue, cleaned the whole mini with the back of a knife. Looks really good, and also presumably made from a better resin mix as she's no longer bendy.

So were good at 2/3 anecdotally.

Bought a chaos lord, had chunks missing and so much flash that it was hard to discern what was model and what was flash. Bought a raptor with similar problems. And that's all the finecast I have bought!

Polonius raises an interesing point, as to whether we are seeing teething problems in the earlier ones. Whilst clearly a less than satisfactory situation, I would like to return to this thread, when it inevitably enters the Doldrums of Dakka, in say, 6 months time, see if the general quality has gone up, down, or stayed as is, as any teething problems would, assumedly, be worked out?

Sure, but even if that were the case, does that give GW the right to treat us like it's R&D department until they do get the kinks worked out?

<hyperbole>
So the first 100 Honda Civics have their brakes fail after you get them home. Maybe it's just growing pains and we should check back 6 months later?
</hyperbole>

Now now. Different thread subject that, and I do believe I just said it's less than acceptable.

Please continue with the thread.

Post Pictures. Show us your Fine CAST!!!


Lets see some of those "I'm happy with them... GW is the dogs!"



Enquiring minds want to see what your happy about.

I'll quite myself, from another thread.

Eras wrote:Last Saturday I went to my local official GW store. The two guys in the staff are very nice, so I always chat a bit with them. I was in doubt wether I should buy the new Haemonculi and the Wracks for my army. I chose a blister where the Haemi looked ok. And for the Wracks, we opened right there 3 boxes. All the 3 boxes had miscasts in them. They chose the better casts for each mini, and offer me to buy it. I did, and now I have 5 Wracks and a Haemi that look pretty cool. But I'm not buying more Finecast. 3 boxes that should be returned, that was all the stock the store had! They had returned more boxes of Wracks. That never happened (to me) with metal or plastics.

Gandalf!

Great condition! only 2 bubbles, One cleaned up with blade, one under a foot unseeable. Super clean and detailed model.

And real pictures of this product.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-7942-17834_Gandalf%20Goes%20To%20The%20Beach.html

Kriswall wrote:I've purchased two finecast items... a Tau Sniper Drone Team and a Chaplain. Both were fine. Most of the blisters I looked at in the store appeared fine.

And for the person who said they purchased 500 metal models that were perfect casts... yeah. I don't believe you. Surely there were mold lines and vent lines. I've never seen a metal GW model that didn't require some sort of prep work. I call that as a hyperbolic statement.

Have you ever seen a miniature that doesnt need prep work? MOLD LINES DONT COUNT

From a moderation standpoint, would it be OK for people to post images of their finecasts flaws (presuming they are reporting a model with a flaw)? I believe at one point it was discussed that unprimed, unpainted, unconverted models have no place in the Dakka Gallery. Perhaps with a specific tag to indicate they are a part of this project?

Mr. Mystery was right not to set standards in that they'd probably just be argued over, but it might be best if, via pictures, people could decide for themselves. What would ruin a model for me, with limited to no sculpting skill, might not ruin a model for Pyriel, for example.

Mr Mystery wrote:First box of the Incubi is a bit lack lustre. The back pack spiney things are all a little mussed. Will check the other box out later.

Yeah, I had those problems, too. Sometimes the ends aren't fully cast and just end in a mess, big bubbles ruin details like the soulstones and other trophies, and one of them was actually snapped in half but still attached to the sprue, and I had only just opened the package so I doubt I broke it just from handling it.

The other main problem that plagued both boxes were the spikes on the incubi's armor, mostly on the legs in both boxes, but on the newest box I noticed lastnight the spikes on the actual body aren't fully cast on a couple of models. It looks kinda like the resin doesn't fill that part of the mold properly, it looks kind of like a stump with a hole in the middle, or just a little hole where you know the spike goes. The sword sprue in the first box I purchased was just garbage upon close inspection, not just a nasty mold shift ruining the parts but 3/5 arms had miscast spikes on them, and the blades just feel really thin.

Called GW, guy on the phone was cool and sent out a replacement, and apparently they just skipped conventional methods and shipped it with a fething lightning bolt! I called them Friday, and my dad told me today on Monday (I feel safer shipping stuff to his house since a box left outside an apartment door is too tempting for some people) that the box was already there. Honestly I think the only way I could've received it any faster is if it freaking teleported here. Anyway, since I've got work all week I probably won't be able to actually inspect the new box until Friday.

Judging from what I've seen, things could have been worse I suppose, but I'm still a little turned off Finecast and won't be buying any for the time being. If I can find a perfect cast in a blister, maybe, but no closed boxes until quality improves.

I have only purchased the Space Marine Techmarine with Servitors box set. Bought it completely blind and didn't see the models untill I got home.

There was a miscast on the magazine of the Techmarine's bolter but that was an easy fix, just cut the magazine of a plastic bolter and stick it on. There were a few bubbles that needed a little greenstuffing, but over all I was surprised that they weren't as bad as people made them out to be.

One major design flaw is that it comes with two heavy bolters for the Servitors and no multi-melta!

ChocolateGork wrote:Have you ever seen a miniature that doesnt need prep work? MOLD LINES DONT COUNT

Mould misalignment, which has been reported by quite a few, is a lot more serious that mould lines.

Ouze wrote:From a moderation standpoint, would it be OK for people to post images of their finecasts flaws (presuming they are reporting a model with a flaw)? I believe at one point it was discussed that unprimed, unpainted, unconverted models have no place in the Dakka Gallery. Perhaps with a specific tag to indicate they are a part of this project?

I think it would be okay as long as people turn off the voting option, they way is isn't brought up in the pages requesting votes.

Bought a Lelith, she had ragged hair with ends missing and was missing all her spikes on the right leg, swapped it for a better model with just a lot of flash and some mold lines. Much better.

my fine cast advebtures have so far been absolute gak house. I went through three boxes of stern guard before they ran out. Each sgt. model had a hole in his face, it looked as though a bolt gun had shoot him in the face. we then traded it for the vanguard vets. one kit had 3 of the same models. the nxt had mutations and had been through alot of battles. I don't like fine cast through and through. but i did like the emporers champion model. that turned out great!


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and sorry i don't have any pics the store kept the molds i eventually got a plastic termie box just to be saf from finecast.

I bought one Termie Librarian the first week. The book on top of his head was missing the bottom left corner of the book and the two scrolls behind. It's just gone. I kept it and the plan is to paint it up like the bottom of the book was blown off by a laser weapon.

i have a question though was any one around for the transition to white metal from lead. and did this have the same teething problems.

I made a excel spreadsheet of current results. There is a pie chart. It's accurate as of 6am CST (right after Tech Guard's post, before DarthDiggler).

I've counted individual models, rather then kits, since that seemed to make more sense.

Only bought one Finecast so far and that was Thorek/Anvil of Doom.

No issues with the actual models. One sprue was broken and several of the bitz were loose in the packaging.

I had it loosely transported in my painting box and Thorek's tong/rune snapped during transport, but that was quickly mended with super glue.

Otherwise, I'm so far fairly neutral on the subject, but most of the models I have in metal already, so I haven't had too much reason to purchase Finecast.

Ouze wrote:I made a excel spreadsheet of current results. There is a pie chart. It's accurate as of 6am CST (right after Tech Guard's post, before DarthDiggler).

I've counted individual models, rather then kits, since that seemed to make more sense.

Didnt include mine

I've only bought two so far...

The Good
Commisar Yarrick - a couple of ting bubble holes easily remedied. Pipe and hydaulic strut on power claw a bit iffy, but easily replaced.

The Abyssmal
Chaplain with jump pack. Sides of inlets messed up by mould slip. Chunks out of inlet edges. Detail lost between inlets. Purity seals so thin they're disappearing.Top of crozius detail missing, edges of wings bubbled.Hole in bottom of crozius.Overfill between arm and pauldron.Serious mould slip along right greave and left cuisse and greave.Bubbles on bottom of scroll between legs. Overall horrible mould lines in all the awkard and detailed areas - a lot more difficult and time consuming than a metal miniature.

Verdict - no thanks. As a collector of eye-catching figures (not a gamer) I should be the ideal consumer of these figures, but I'm not going to waste my money on something that at best has ever-so-slightly crisper detail than a metal figure.

Okay, here's the pic I have of my roommate's Chaplin. Mind you this is through the box on a phone camera, so it's less than ideal, also, there were other issues we found after opening the box up to take a closer look:

AvatarForm wrote:Didnt include mine

Yes I did - I just cut the picture off so it was legible without being gigantic. You can tell because there are only 13 visible cells for grade C, but the pie chart indicates there are 57 in grade C. In total there are 38 different user entries, and the totals and percentages are in the pie chart. I can send the actual spreadsheet to anyone who wants it.

Nice spreadsheet.

The only other thing that might be useful (but may not be practical) is the batch number, to see if %s get less flawed in later batches.

I have to say that if GW does do better QC moving forward, I am convinced that this material is capable of being poured into a flawless way by a skilled resin caster at GW. Which means I don't see that 'fix your bubbles and suck it up' will need to be tolerated or a barrier for people getting into finecast.

But I also don't know if retailers will get the same QC GW is doing. I will only buy finecast at a GW store right now.

Ouze wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:Didnt include mine

Yes I did - I just cut the picture off so it was legible without being gigantic. You can tell because there are only 13 visible cells for grade C, but the pie chart indicates there are 57 in grade C. In total there are 38 different user entries, and the totals and percentages are in the pie chart. I can send the actual spreadsheet to anyone who wants it.

Fair enough.

As you were

In theory, even if there are practical limitations on the pour of the resin, malformed sprues can be rejected after casting, so the models to be packaged will be nigh on perfect.

The drawback of this method to GW is firstly that it requires inspection of even casting, which is labour intensive, and secondly that rejected castings are waste. If 20% of castings have to be rejected, your labour costs for casting are 20% higher than they need be.

Also, unlike metal, rejected resin pieces cannot simply be recycled, so there is higher wastage of materials.

Kilkrazy wrote:In theory, even if there are practical limitations on the pour of the resin, malformed sprues can be rejected after casting, so the models to be packaged will be nigh on perfect.

The drawback of this method to GW is firstly that it requires inspection of even casting, which is labour intensive, and secondly that rejected castings are waste. If 20% of castings have to be rejected, your labour costs for casting are 20% higher than they need be.

Also, unlike metal, rejected resin pieces cannot simply be recycled, so there is higher wastage of materials.

Yes but GW as inspecting before. So it's not an additional expense like wastage of resin would be.

Are you suggesting that GW have in effect passed the QA costs on to the customer?

In other words, rather than reject bad castings at the factory, they are packaged and sold. It becomes the buyer's job to inspect them.

Certainly wouldn't put it past them.

I've just scanned through this, so sorry if it's be mentioned. The one I have noticed is that most people mention air bubbles, of varying amounts and size. What I find interesting is that for a product that is supposed to be of quality, posters are accepting this. It's like it's accepted that this is part of the process. To me I would expect something called "finecast" to be of a better standard than you bog standard resin cast. Or am I expecting too much?

I got around to looking through and assembling the rest of my finecast. Not nearly so positive as my last go, and here's the breakdown.

Urien Rakath (sp?) The dark eldar special character had a HUGE hole in his cape that I fixed with greenstuff. I probably should have returned it but the GW staff let me use their store's greenstuff and I wanted to practice my mediocre greenstuff skills. It fixed nicely but would have been a return for sure.

Grotesques x3: Two of them had mangled liquifier gun bits, and fortunately you can only have one liquifier gun per squad. There was some bubbling, and one of them had a jacked up face mask where the grill wasn't complete. I swapped out that one but fixed the minor issues on the others. None of these were ideal but two were manageable.

Haemonoculi x2: Heavy flash between the fingers, which were very time consuming to clean out. Warping that needed to be straightened. One of them had badly miscast tubing that I fixed with more of the store's greenstuff. I would have swapped out that one too.

6 models 3 I would have returned, and 3 that needed repair and work that I considered a bit beyond normally acceptable. I would still say overall I'm happy with finecast but will probably not buy any more for awhile until things get sorted better. I now have alot of finecast to paint and since now I've had 4 models I would have returned and 6 that I considered less than idea.l That makes more trouble with finecast than in the 15 or so years I bought metal models. I think they'll work it out. heaven help them if they don't do it quickly. No beginner would happily do what I did today. it took about 5-6 hours to clean, prep, repair and assemble those 6 models.

Wolfstan wrote:I've just scanned through this, so sorry if it's be mentioned. The one I have noticed is that most people mention air bubbles, of varying amounts and size. What I find interesting is that for a product that is supposed to be of quality, posters are accepting this. It's like it's accepted that this is part of the process. To me I would expect something called "finecast" to be of a better standard than you bog standard resin cast. Or am I expecting too much?

No, you're not. These are supposed to be the finest, highest quality figures we've ever seen; yes there will be flash and mould lines that need cleaning (you'll always get that) but to even contemplate sending them out with missing pieces, miscasts, mould slip, more bubbles than an Aero bar? It's just not good enough. With the prices GW are charging their QA department must be operating at 110%.

Kilkrazy wrote:Are you suggesting that GW have in effect passed the QA costs on to the customer?

In other words, rather than reject bad castings at the factory, they are packaged and sold. It becomes the buyer's job to inspect them.

Yes, but there is more, instead of just eating the miscasts they sent them out anyway knowing that many customers would just fix the bits themselves, thereby turning losses into gains. So not only did they not have to pay qc (which I believe is just the casters anyway, but they can cast faster if they don't have to check everything) they are making profits off of damaged goods. This, all while discouraging mail order and online sales, because if you can't see it first, there is no point in ordering it. What I find really amazing is that they are sending out flawed replacement too.

farmersboy wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:I've just scanned through this, so sorry if it's be mentioned. The one I have noticed is that most people mention air bubbles, of varying amounts and size. What I find interesting is that for a product that is supposed to be of quality, posters are accepting this. It's like it's accepted that this is part of the process. To me I would expect something called "finecast" to be of a better standard than you bog standard resin cast. Or am I expecting too much?

No, you're not. These are supposed to be the finest, highest quality figures we've ever seen; yes there will be flash and mould lines that need cleaning (you'll always get that) but to even contemplate sending them out with missing pieces, miscasts, mould slip, more bubbles than an Aero bar? It's just not good enough. With the prices GW are charging their QA department must be operating at 110%.

As farmersboy has explained, stan, you are not expecting too much. This seems to be the feeling of many of us and the new casts are something I would not recommend to a novice hobbyist due to the extended prep times, skill and repair materials required.

"More bubbles than an Aero bar"

Someone needs to make a Demotivational including this for me please

I bought a box of chaos raptors, and The only thing wrong was that I got loads of excess finecast material in each sprue.

Bought 3 Dark Eldar Haemonculi. All three of their swords were hideously malformed on the backsides. One of them was sort of repairable, the other two not so much. The Liquifier Guns that come with them have lots of bubbles along the bottom side of the "feed line". The amount of flash that comes on them is staggering to say the least.

AvatarForm wrote:

As farmersboy has explained, stan, you are not expecting too much. This seems to be the feeling of many of us and the new casts are something I would not recommend to a novice hobbyist due to the extended prep times, skill and repair materials required.

I would totally recommend this to a novice hobbyist... I would also recommend buying it in person and not accept any flaws. There are flawless finecast models out there. They do exist and they are not a fluke. I was able to de-sprue Gandalf, clean mold lines with a knife and assemble in less than 10 minutes without issue.

If you get a good model, it really is easy to use and easy to assemble... But only if you get a good model. I am not going to tell people to buy a bunch of GS and re-sculpt half a gun and suck it up. GW will replace your miscasts for free, so just get them replaced.

I've actually not had any problems with the two finecast models I have bought- The Hive Tyrant and the Eldar Autarch. I know many people have, but even if they do have small problems, these are easily remedied, and if they're totally unacceptable, just swap them in store. True, you may say this is an unneccessary inconveinience and you'd be right, but having a hive tyrant smash to pieces on the floor after you've accidently knocked it off, is an unneccessary inconveinience too.

nkelsch wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

As farmersboy has explained, stan, you are not expecting too much. This seems to be the feeling of many of us and the new casts are something I would not recommend to a novice hobbyist due to the extended prep times, skill and repair materials required.

I would totally recommend this to a novice hobbyist... I would also recommend buying it in person and not accept any flaws. There are flawless finecast models out there. They do exist and they are not a fluke. I was able to de-sprue Gandalf, clean mold lines with a knife and assemble in less than 10 minutes without issue.

If you get a good model, it really is easy to use and easy to assemble... But only if you get a good model. I am not going to tell people to buy a bunch of GS and re-sculpt half a gun and suck it up. GW will replace your miscasts for free, so just get them replaced.

We are yet to see proof of one.

Purchased 3 so far, all from the first shipment. I have posted this in another thread but have repeated here.

Gorbad Ironclaw- shields he's standing on are not fully formed. Picked him over the other one in store whose trophy head had a chunk of resin obscuring the face. I decided the shields could be buried in the dirt. Not happy in the least, but settled for it because I needed him for a game.

Eldar Shadowseer- big hole in head, can see where the vent didn't connect to the model, leaving a hole. This was my first purchase and it made me physically ill to look at, but I felt so bad because I had to return the guy below... Had to do multiple layers of glue, file, glue, file but I think it will look passable. Barely. The head may look a little squished, like a newborn baby, though. End result- should have returned it but kept it because I felt bad returning all of the stores first sales of finecast.

Azhag- I was SO excited to get this model. But this guy was a mess. Wings were full of holes and tissue thin. All three boxes in the store had two of the same wings (All rights, no lefts... or was it the other way? regardless, none had a set). Also, all three had the tissue-thin holey wings. I returned him and bought a metal one off Ebay for $55. Will not buy a finecast of him- don't want to go through that again.

I've checked out a few of the restocks in the store and found several more miscast, and several that might be OK. I just feel repulsed a the thought of having to do QC on a purchase like this. Overall, they would be great if they were half the price. At this price, I expect more. A lot more. Its like going to the porsche dealer and getting sold a kia or hyundai with a porsche sticker on it, for porsche price...

AvatarForm wrote:

We are yet to see proof of one.

I have a whole photo gallery of a flawless gandalf... No one is trying to promote the myth that there are no good casts out there ir it is impossible to get one... Finecast is capable of being cast without miscasts, mold misalignment's and bubbles all over. If GW does QC, it works. I have visited a GW with dozens of confirmed flawless casts and they open them at the cash register to confirm quality before sale.

I wouldn't accept anything less that perfect because it does exist and is common and your right as a customer.

nkelsch wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

We are yet to see proof of one.

I have a whole photo gallery of a flawless gandalf... No one is trying to promote the myth that there are no good casts out there ir it is impossible to get one... Finecast is capable of being cast without miscasts, mold misalignment's and bubbles all over. If GW does QC, it works. I have visited a GW with dozens of confirmed flawless casts and they open them at the cash register to confirm quality before sale.

I wouldn't accept anything less that perfect because it does exist and is common and your right as a customer.

One is not the majority.

This is not a range that should be recommended to novices until GW pulls its finger out with the QC.

However, the fact remains that some of those deemed acceptable in this thread are not flawless, and a novice (most new gamers in GW stores) would not be equipped to prepare and fix the flaws.

Now, going upon what I have personally experienced in GW stores all over AUS, the Red Shirt usually does not have the incentive to assist the hobbyist beyond the cash register. Of course, they may suggest buying some of their 400% markup GreenStuff o resculpt those missing pieces and using GW super glue to fill bubbles, but these should not be required in the range that is supposedly the Second Coming...

AvatarForm wrote:

This is not a range that should be recommended to novices until GW pulls its finger out with the QC.

However, the fact remains that some of those deemed acceptable in this thread are not flawless, and a novice (most new gamers in GW stores) would not be equipped to prepare and fix the flaws.

A novice is perfectly capable of visually inspecting product in the store and not handing over money for a flawed product. GW clearly knows the issues as they are exchanging without issue and are actively trying to send people home with complete unflawed boxes or NOTHING before a flawed piece.

Have you actually experienced a Redshirt telling you to buy GS and fill your own bubbles and refuse to take a return? I haven't seen anyone claiming GW redshirts doing that.

I would recommend it to novices, just make sure you get a flawless model or don't give them your money. Once the box/blister is opened and unpurchased, they have to return it to GW anyways.

I have purchased and assembled the following Finecast models.

Nurgle Daemon Prince
Space Marine Terminator Librarian
4x Tyranid Hive Guard

The only model to have any flaws was the Terminator Librarian. I have heard this same thing from many other people who have bought the Librarian. His staff was terribly mishaped but since I planned to replace it with a Force Sword from the GKT kit it wasn't a big deal. In fact the ease of conversion of the Finecast SM Terminator into a GK terminator has made me a fan of Finecast for "hero" models that you want to give a custom feel too.

The Hive Guard were all fine as far as the casting quality goes but the amount of cutting I had to do to remove the little strands of chaff was pretty ridiculous compared to the DP and Terminator Libby.

All in all not terrible, not fantastic. Better than metal imo!

nkelsch wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

This is not a range that should be recommended to novices until GW pulls its finger out with the QC.

However, the fact remains that some of those deemed acceptable in this thread are not flawless, and a novice (most new gamers in GW stores) would not be equipped to prepare and fix the flaws.

A novice is perfectly capable of visually inspecting product in the store and not handing over money for a flawed product. GW clearly knows the issues as they are exchanging without issue and are actively trying to send people home with complete unflawed boxes or NOTHING before a flawed piece.

I would recommend it to novices, just make sure you get a flawless model or don't give them your money. Once the box/blister is opened and unpurchased, they have to return it to GW anyways.

So...... How come i have to QC my own models now?
yes, when i have bought models in the past (ironically most of the purchases i have made myself have been metal and totally without problem) i have checked them over to make sure they arent broken or something, but do you really expect me to look over everything with a magnifying glass just to make sure finest, highest quality figures we've ever seen isnt faulty in some way?!

I am a total novice when it comes to modelling and theres no way i would even be able to deal with bubbles. My point is though, why should i have to? If Finecast is so good (and they have put the price to match), then i shouldnt even have to think about it.


Also, someone mentioned above that the Red Shirts were opening blisters at the till to make sure there were no faults.
Does this not strike anyone as odd?
If it is the finest, highest quality figures we've ever seen, surely this would be unnecessary?

A novice is perfectly capable of visually inspecting product in the store

I suppose, if they know that it is now mandatory, but who expects to have to inspect everything they purchase.

Bought the Dark Eldar Succubus from GW direct (online) and it arrived this morning...

At a glance she looked fine (without taking her out of the blister) but then I opened it up and the list of problems began. Aside from similar problems (in the same places) as AvatarForm had with his, my girl also had no chin (a lovely gaping hole of an airbubble), horrifically scarred hair that would require GS and a little sculpting to fix, a badly pock marked back banner (would look very Nurgle), a deformed whip with chunks missing (don't look like airbubbles) and varying other rough/pockmarked areas that need to be fixed before I'd even consider painting the model. And I missed the worst bit for a while (not sure how), double checked her before making this post and suddenly realised her nose was little more than an airbubble purged sliver of flack. Cue the rant in the living room!

Yes it was a blind purchase but the quality is just stupidly bad. My husband got a Nurgle daemon prince at the same time and he seems to be fine and indeed due to being Nurgle, some of the minor flaws on him add to the character of the model. I did notice that he seemed quite warped though but until hubby begins putting him together will not know if thats going to be a problem. As for my lovely Succubus, its going to be amusing to phone up GW and see what they expect me to do with her. If they suggest I resculpt the nose... (I could just manage it but most people probably cannot.) ...I may just end up in fits of laughter!

Thus far finecast is very hit and miss for me... will be buying plastic Dark Eldar and converting a alot instead as I am not inclined to trust this product with delicate models.

Two Finecast Zoanthropes. One had an air bubble on the head carapace and one beneath a claw, one had 2 air bubbles in the head carapace. All of which will not be visible once painted.

So no serious issues, but a couple of minor issues usually related to resin models.

Aurelia wrote:
My husband got a Nurgle daemon prince at the same time and he seems to be fine and indeed due to being Nurgle, some of the minor flaws on him add to the character of the model. I did notice that he seemed quite warped though but until hubby begins putting him together will not know if thats going to be a problem. As for my lovely Succubus, its going to be amusing to phone up GW and see what they expect me to do with her. If they suggest I resculpt the nose... (I could just manage it but most people probably cannot.) ...I may just end up in fits of laughter!

Aye, I'm a little worried about the sword being bent out of shape due to the chains that are on it. However in comparrison, the flaws on mine where very minor, or had the good fortune of being on a side that will nearly impossible to see once together.

The big positive is the weight, consdiering this fella is bigger bulk wise than my Khorne DP, it'll be a bit of mind blown situation once both are painted and you pick them up. Will also be able to see how easy it is to convert as well. Aurelia's had a nightmare adding the Bloodthirster wings to my Khorne DP, where I have the plastic Balrog wings to add to this Nurgle one.

Aurelia wrote:Bought the Dark Eldar Succubus from GW direct (online) and it arrived this morning...

At a glance she looked fine (without taking her out of the blister) but then I opened it up and the list of problems began. Aside from similar problems (in the same places) as AvatarForm had with his, my girl also had no chin (a lovely gaping hole of an airbubble), horrifically scarred hair that would require GS and a little sculpting to fix, a badly pock marked back banner (would look very Nurgle), a deformed whip with chunks missing (don't look like airbubbles) and varying other rough/pockmarked areas that need to be fixed before I'd even consider painting the model. And I missed the worst bit for a while (not sure how), double checked her before making this post and suddenly realised her nose was little more than an airbubble purged sliver of flack. Cue the rant in the living room!

Yes it was a blind purchase but the quality is just stupidly bad. My husband got a Nurgle daemon prince at the same time and he seems to be fine and indeed due to being Nurgle, some of the minor flaws on him add to the character of the model. I did notice that he seemed quite warped though but until hubby begins putting him together will not know if thats going to be a problem. As for my lovely Succubus, its going to be amusing to phone up GW and see what they expect me to do with her. If they suggest I resculpt the nose... (I could just manage it but most people probably cannot.) ...I may just end up in fits of laughter!

Thus far finecast is very hit and miss for me... will be buying plastic Dark Eldar and converting a alot instead as I am not inclined to trust this product with delicate models.

I think perhaps we need the more pro-hobbyists to do up a Sticky thread for Fineco$t preparation and repairs...

All I can suggest is a 1:1 Miliputt: Water wash over the imperfections/airbubbles after you have re-sculpted the missing fingers/appendages/details...

However, as already stated, in the finest, highest quality figures we've ever seen these flaws should not exist, nor should we be paying to QC GW's shoddy work...

Got my hands on another... I love that people want to buy these for me... it means I dont feel bad if they arent the greatest thing since sliced bread.

It is an Inq Coteaz, I think once this is cleaned up, I will convert it into a Rune Priest.

Pics and step-by-step to come.

Seems relevant to the thread - while I'm impressed with Finecast, my Zoanthropes have started to bend at the join where the tail meets the Tyranid terrain... bit that connects to the base.

Granted they've been standing for a cuple of weeks now, but my Winged Hive Tyrant has been stand on one leg for over 6 months without this happening. Not a hard fix, just run the join under hot water and bend back, then cold water, but it's an annoyance. They'll definitely be lying down in my case when I get it.

That doesn't sound good. So you don't have to put weights in the bases to keep them standing like the metal ones, but they'll start to bend under their own weight if you leave the model on display. :\

To be fair, the join there is thin. Really thin. And it's supporting the entire Zoanthrope. And I'd take that over the model toppling every time it sat on a grain of sand.

It's not mine, but my dad bought a Prince Apophas to finish his TK army and most of the scarabs on his back were covered in imperfections and bubbles.
Chalk that up as a flaw I guess.

-Loki- wrote:Seems relevant to the thread - while I'm impressed with Finecast, my Zoanthropes have started to bend at the join where the tail meets the Tyranid terrain... bit that connects to the base.

Granted they've been standing for a cuple of weeks now, but my Winged Hive Tyrant has been stand on one leg for over 6 months without this happening. Not a hard fix, just run the join under hot water and bend back, then cold water, but it's an annoyance. They'll definitely be lying down in my case when I get it.

You could fix that easily by pinning them.

Aaaand we're back to one of the things Finecast was meant to fix, no more pinning. Though for a different reason.

No, once they're gone into an army case the longest they'll be standing is a couple of games, so I don't see the need. I was just surprised, given how weightless the Finecast resin feels.

Isn't it ironic?

Kilkrazy wrote:Isn't it ironic?

Don't'cha think?

A little too ironic..

And yeah, I really do think.

IT'S LIKE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Well that happened.

C-c-c-c-c-c-ombo breaker!

Good work everyone ('cept you Sid... fethin' killjoy)!

I thought about keeping it going but decided against it.

False alarm.

I got home and checked again. It's not that the Zoanthrope is bent, I just glued it at an angle when I stuck it to its base and never really noticed. I warmed the tail join and straightened it up, so I'll see how it goes.

So is it irony that it wasn't the resin after all?

In any case I don't think it magically makes Finecast an awesome material. Just because there's one less thing to worry about it doesn't mean all of Finecast's other problems are suddenly mitigated by that one false alarm.

Sidstyler wrote:Just because there's one less thing to worry about it doesn't mean all of Finecast's other problems are suddenly mitigated by that one false alarm.

Given that that's precisely the reason this thread was started, yeah, there are some among us who will use one good example as a way of (somehow) negating all the bad ones.

Purchased Savage Orc Shaman on Boar. His head feathers were so thin they looked more like fish bones. I had to fill it in with glue, thus losing any detail. This is the best of any that I have purchased. Best models evar, and I'm relieved that the only thing wrong is my headdress feathers look mushy. Who woulda thought.... it figures.

Conclusion: I am very unhappy, but I feel like my concerns would not be heard. Since every FC model I have purchased has had these flaws, this is just what they are. Substandard.

I have given this concept enough of my money. No more finecast for me.

Edits: cuz I had to.

Lanrak wrote:Mr Mystery.
As Finecast is promoted and marketed as 'Highest quality possible, premium product.'
I would suggest ANY flaws are not aceptable.

Simple use of sampling plans to BS 6000 would allow GW plc to determine the level of errors at source.
And as they has relativley few errors in the metal minatures , I assume they used this sort of quality procedure before.
(I have bought over 500 metal minatures from GW and only ever had ONE mis-pack.Not even ONE mis cast.)

So its not that fact that a quantity of Finecast minatures has flaws.

But the fact that the product was released to distributors /retailers KNOWING it was flawed.(This is the only reason I can see for the incresed return rate.)

Because returns do NOT show up in detail on financial reports .
However a delay in shipments , or reduced out put due to rejections for inferior quality generaly do!

I honestly dont beleive that you bought 500 models and also the fact that you had no mis packs or mis anything!

I honestly dont beleive that you bought 500 models and also the fact that you had no mis packs or mis anything!

It's not that hard really. Especially if he's an older player from when all there was was metal. In all the metal that I bought I only had 3 real problems, two were in the same box of harlequins (death jester was missing, one Har was missing a leg), the other was a withered leg on a which elf. With all my old armies, I'm sure I have close to 1000 metal minis. You could get GW metal minis for less than $1 sometimes. I used to get 5 metal dark elves for $5.

Well sense I left a post about a big mek with a couple flaws I feel its only fair that I leave a post about my newly acquired Incubi. I have finished cleaning off the models mold lines and getting them ready to be glued and I have found 0 problems, not even slight bending on all 5 models.

Now if all the fine cast came out looking like my Incubi people may have even enjoyed the change to fine cast, but no...

i hate metal, i've always hated it. Its difficult to convert/modify, you need to drill holes and pin every single part if you want it to stay together.

Now i'm not saying Resin is perfect but in my experiences with it its still better than metal.

yournamehere wrote:Well sense I left a post about a big mek with a couple flaws I feel its only fair that I leave a post about my newly acquired Incubi. I have finished cleaning off the models mold lines and getting them ready to be glued and I have found 0 problems, not even slight bending on all 5 models.

Now if all the fine cast came out looking like my Incubi people may have even enjoyed the change to fine cast, but no...

Wait, seriously? All the spikes are fully cast (chest/abdomen, arms, legs, shoulders, etc.), none of the horns on the helmets are chipped or broken, the trophy racks aren't missing any details like soulstones or other trophies due to bubbles, and you're telling me none of your swords were bent, miscast, or broken?

...you got pics? If that's true then I envy you, I have three boxes of the damn things and none of them are 100% flawless.

i hate metal, i've always hated it. Its difficult to convert/modify, you need to drill holes and pin every single part if you want it to stay together.

I agree, metal is a pain in the ass. But it was reliable. None of the metal models I've bought from GW have been miscast, mispacked, or anything. My brother's had some bad luck with a couple models, though, but that's literally two models and a call to customer service got it straightened out.

I called customer service about my incubi and got more jank models. :\ I was looking forward to resin because of all the pros you listed, but I hate the price increase, and I hate the obvious decrease in quality.

I haven't bought any finecast unit boxes yet but the only problems i've had so far are as follows.

On the Archon i bought 1 head was completely unuseable (the one with the face on the helmet) Due to air bubbles the face was more like a blob and un useable. Granted I wasn't going to use that one anyway

And a a Crowe model i Purchased I had some detail problems on the Sword but it wasn't anything some filler couldn't solve.

I'd edit my old post but meh.

Got the time to go switch my Ghazzie. Said (to myself) "Feth it!" and got the one that was least messed up. Still required a ton of work to be acceptable. Redshirt even apologized since they couldn't visually inspect all the boxed Finecast kits (why not just open them up?) so I guess they really know that this(?) batch was FUBAR

.

I finally bought a couple today, full price even since Wayland are dicking about at the moment.

Lord Commissar and Inq. Corteaz.

Corteaz was fine, had a little defect at a kneepad skull , which I thought was a miscast at first but turned out to be just a bit of flash, so pretty much perfek.

Lord Commissar had two air bubbles ruining the surface. Fortunately these are on the soles of his feet so no probs.

All in all as with everything don't rush out, just chillax while the teething troubles are ironed out. Seems like the initial run should be out of the shops by now (assuming that your local store is checking stock).

I like finecast miniatures, not sure that I want to pay £10.50 for one though?

I looked at Finecast for the first time yesterday at my LGS.

They had only about 6 blisters, but I saw only a flaw in one of them, otherwise they are very good, except the price.

Everything is expensive at GW so you shouldn't worry especially about the price of Finecast.

notprop wrote:I finally bought a couple today, full price even since Wayland are dicking about at the moment.

...

I like finecast miniatures, not sure that I want to pay £10.50 for one though?

This is comedy gold... an Englishman complaining he had to pay UK RRP for GW

Bought another Finecast model today, namely a Cockatrice.

I haven't built it yet, but flash* aside, I haven't spotted anything immediately wrong/disappointing with it.

*What it is with people and flash?? I just kind of accept that it happens, a necessary part of the moulding process as far as I'm aware. It's easily cleaned off and made good? Not saying you shouldn't object to it, just not getting why it's such a big prob for others.

Kilkrazy wrote:Everything is expensive at GW so you shouldn't worry especially about the price of Finecast.

You can in the case of Failcost, specifically because it is nothing but a cost reducing measure made by GW yet the prices went up, which makes no sense.

Mr Mystery wrote:Bought another Finecast model today, namely a Cockatrice.

I haven't built it yet, but flash* aside, I haven't spotted anything immediately wrong/disappointing with it.

*What it is with people and flash?? I just kind of accept that it happens, a necessary part of the moulding process as far as I'm aware. It's easily cleaned off and made good? Not saying you shouldn't object to it, just not getting why it's such a big prob for others.

So far noone has listed flash as a flaw, just an annoyance at the over-abundance of it.

Please supply pics of your Cockatrice as you unbox and clean it. I would be interested in such a large model being flawless, as I am waiting for the day I can unbox a perect Canis Wolfborn.

GW sent the replacement Succubus for Aurelia, and it arrived today, worryingly, it seems according to the invoice they charged me for it. I will double check later with my bank.

They did ask for the old one to be sent back, but charging me and then refunding me when it goes back, will not be on as they never suggested they where doing so. I will be complaining down the phone tomorrow if they have.

She looked at the second one, and nose was better, slight hole in chin, but this one is fixable. Marks and such pretty much as the first one. Going to take the best looking pieces from both kits, and send the 'spare' back to GW tomorrow.

Will be quite unhappy if I was charged for the replacement though.

Flash is a technical flaw caused by the two halves of the mould leaking when the resin is injected.

People may choose to accept it without complaint. It would depend on the amount of clean-up work to be done.

Kilkrazy wrote:Flash is a technical flaw caused by the two halves of the mould leaking when the resin is injected.

People may choose to accept it without complaint. It would depend on the amount of clean-up work to be done.

This is my primary issue with Finecast. I understand their is a level of clean up, however I have seen more than one instance where the cleanup was over the top or ruined some detail on the model. If GW wants to charge a premium for an item I want the quality to match that premium. So far that's not what I am getting. I understand that not every model has this issue, but I have seen enough to not buy anymore Finecast for the time being.

Kilkrazy wrote:Flash is a technical flaw caused by the two halves of the mould leaking when the resin is injected.

People may choose to accept it without complaint. It would depend on the amount of clean-up work to be done.

So are mold lines. No one would return a model because the model had mold lines, they're expected on most models. Flash is just an extreme case of mold lines.

If there are real problems with the model, take it back. But refusing a model because it has 'excess flash'? Come on people, you're smarter than this! Finecast has enough problems without inventing a new one.
(not directed at KK, but at this attitude in general)

biccat wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Flash is a technical flaw caused by the two halves of the mould leaking when the resin is injected.

People may choose to accept it without complaint. It would depend on the amount of clean-up work to be done.

So are mold lines. No one would return a model because the model had mold lines, they're expected on most models. Flash is just an extreme case of mold lines.

If there are real problems with the model, take it back. But refusing a model because it has 'excess flash'? Come on people, you're smarter than this! Finecast has enough problems without inventing a new one.
(not directed at KK, but at this attitude in general)

One of the claims that GW made was that the new Finecast line of models would have less cleaning up to do - less flash and mold lines.

So, paying a premium amount of money and finding what you consider to be 'excess flash' could be reason to take it back.

infinite_array wrote:One of the claims that GW made was that the new Finecast line of models would have less cleaning up to do - less flash and mold lines.

So, paying a premium amount of money and finding what you consider to be 'excess flash' could be reason to take it back.

GW also says you're paying more money because they produce the "porche" of miniatures. I certainly wouldn't take a model back because it wasn't as well sculpted as another company's miniatures.

Besides, with the quality control GW is putting into the Finecast line, if you find a miniature whose worst problem is excess flash, I would suggest you hang on to it. You might even want to mark it up 3-400% and sell it on ebay

biccat wrote:

Besides, with the quality control GW is putting into the Finecast line, if you find a miniature whose worst problem is excess flash, I would suggest you hang on to it. You might even want to mark it up 3-400% and sell it on ebay

Ha! Now that's a good one!

I have purchased 1 finecast and it was the lord commissar model and honestly it's perfect (bar mould lines)

Mold lines and flash shouldn't count. Let's be fair. Sure GW promised that it wouldn't be there, but who really believed that whole open the box and paint theory? I would be happy if they were as good as the metals, but they are not! Well I wouldn't actually, I would be happy if they were as good as the metals and cost as much as the plastic. Well maybe not, because I think the plastics are too expensive too, so. I would be happy if they were cast as well as the metals and there was a 30% price drop across the entire range of models, plastic or Finecast, then I could order it online for an additional 10-25% off GWMSRP from discount online stores. Then I would be happy.

Andrew1975 wrote:Mold lines and flash shouldn't count. Let's be fair. Sure GW promised that it wouldn't be there, but who really believed that whole open the box and paint theory? I would be happy if they were as good as the metals, but they are not! Well I wouldn't actually, I would be happy if they were as good as the metals and cost as much as the plastic.

If GW hypes the product as 'open the box and paint', and increase the price to obviously match the 'amazing' new amount of detail, then they should count.

infinite_array wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:Mold lines and flash shouldn't count. Let's be fair. Sure GW promised that it wouldn't be there, but who really believed that whole open the box and paint theory? I would be happy if they were as good as the metals, but they are not! Well I wouldn't actually, I would be happy if they were as good as the metals and cost as much as the plastic.

If GW hypes the product as 'open the box and paint', and increase the price to obviously match the 'amazing' new amount of detail, then they should count.

That's what I was saying, they should be better and cheaper, but mold lines and flash are gonna happen. I can't think of a single model kit that I have bought that didn't have some flash or mold lines, I've bought some expensive model kits, it's just part of the process. Bubbles and missing parts are not.

I'm glad I'm waiting until they really get this crap resolved. The flash isn't that big of a deal, but the pockets, bubbles and voids are a major concern. I would almost perceive lots of flash as a positive, since the mould that got thoroughly filled with material before the model was popped out. Going to wait and see on these. I have liked the detail on the models I have seen, but some of the horror stories on here are a bit discouraging.

Old arguement is old guys.

Can we keep this thread for those who actually possess (through purchase, gift or theivery) Fineca$t so that we can get actual feedback and pics, please?

Images are big enough so that people can compare them with the metal counterparts.




At least 1mm misalignment in some areas, hole between back of rifle and head, gem miscast on barrel tip, missing magazine/power-pack on the weapon. A lot of surface crap imprinted in top of rifle. Edge of robe thin and tattered. Major distortion in the positioning of the scope. Pinhole in detail on the side of rifle etc etc. Thats just the front.....Miniature basically rubbish.



Same set, barrel so miscast it had broken off, major shrinkage of whole mini resulting in the cloak being paper thin in some areas. Note shrinkage does not mean crispness of the casting... Power cable on backpack almost transparent and detached from torso etc etc etc.
More of the same with remaining minis. Whole internal section of the leader figures frame had major flash sheeting ala Carbonite Solo probably 1/2 mm thick.

Dirz Wrack box from same shipment: (could post more pics but really over it atm)
Spines on arms and shoulders and even tip of helm/rivets all thinly skinned bubbles. When seams/gunk etc removed off came the detail leaving hollowed out sections with major pinholes. Hexrifle barrel the same, basically hollow, thin enough to cause barrel to break off completely. Underside of robes also had major bubbling.

That mould slip is awful...

I looked at a load of Finecast models in Maelstroms shop last week and I couldn't see any obvious faults but then I didn't open them, just looked through the blister.

That model above is truly horrible though!

gr1m_dan wrote:I looked at a load of Finecast models in Maelstroms shop last week and I couldn't see any obvious faults but then I didn't open them, just looked through the blister.

That model above is truly horrible though!

Werent Maelstrom doing their own QC checks though?
I know i would.

Had Skulltaker bought for me as a fathers day present, face of one of the skulls under the right foot is missing (looks like it had been cut off) and a couple of the skulls on his back have lost detail due to air bubbles. Rang GW this morning and they are sending a replacement and asked me to return the miscast once I recieve it. Anyone know what they do with all the returned ones? Its not like they can re use them, or do they repackage them to sell again?

Mick

Revenent Reiko wrote:

gr1m_dan wrote:I looked at a load of Finecast models in Maelstroms shop last week and I couldn't see any obvious faults but then I didn't open them, just looked through the blister.

That model above is truly horrible though!

Werent Maelstrom doing their own QC checks though?
I know i would.

No idea chap, I just had a look out of interest really to see what they were like in the flesh. I play Tau and Sisters so nothing is worth buying in Finecast for those armies! Doh.

I got a Commander Dante that pretty much felt like it was made out of rubber. There were no bubbles or miscasts in the mold, the urethane resin was just improperly mixed so when the model would stand up it would bow under its own weight.

Also got an Asorath, and he was just missing his ENTIRE AXE HANDLE. No big deal right? Yeesh.

I was totally behind the idea of finecast, but the execution was poor and this bloke is frustrated.

Mick A wrote:Had Skulltaker bought for me as a fathers day present, face of one of the skulls under the right foot is missing (looks like it had been cut off) and a couple of the skulls on his back have lost detail due to air bubbles. Rang GW this morning and they are sending a replacement and asked me to return the miscast once I recieve it. Anyone know what they do with all the returned ones? Its not like they can re use them, or do they repackage them to sell again?

They might just be investigating and want to examine the defects themselves as part of continuing to improve their processes. Also, asking for returns helps keep people honest. if someone doesn't return the poorly cast model (like, say, someone was scamming them), someone might have trouble getting them to send you stuff again.

gr1m_dan wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

gr1m_dan wrote:I looked at a load of Finecast models in Maelstroms shop last week and I couldn't see any obvious faults but then I didn't open them, just looked through the blister.

That model above is truly horrible though!

Werent Maelstrom doing their own QC checks though?
I know i would.

No idea chap, I just had a look out of interest really to see what they were like in the flesh. I play Tau and Sisters so nothing is worth buying in Finecast for those armies! Doh.

Fair play, its just something i vaguely remember.
Hopefully by the time Tau and SoBs come out in failcast they might actually be able to produce the models consistently at the quality they promised.

....You never know, it might happen

Hekal Xul wrote:

What the hell is with the size difference on this guys two hands? Was it always like this in metal?

My Zoanthrope I bought at a GW store, it looked fine in the blister but looking at the upper torso, unacceptable miscast, a replacement is coming. I also got two of the same arms and none of the other.

I bought a pack of striking scorpions on the same day but a few bent swords and bubbles by the crotch area, but nothing too serious...

Tyranid Horde wrote:My Zoanthrope I bought at a GW store, it looked fine in the blister but looking at the upper torso, unacceptable miscast, a replacement is coming. I also got two of the same arms and none of the other.

... how? That's not really possible. Was the model on the sprue still? If it was, then there's no actual way for 2 identical arms unless they fethed the actual mold up. In which case there's more Zoanthropes with 2 of the same arm sets floating around.

I've heard so many horror stories about finecast and said I don't want to buy any until they fix mistakes. Well, my birthday is 4 days away and storm of magic just came out and I REALLY wanted that cockatrice, so I took a chance, gritted my teeth and bought it. I looked EVERYWHERE for a mistake. There just isn't a single one. I expected a bunch...expected misshapen body parts or miscasts, but it's perfect. I'm happy with it. It's a tad bit smaller than I expected, with very few parts, but I love the model, so it's ok. Next time just make it about half again as big GW

I said I wasn't going to spend retail price on GW, and that still holds true-I bought at a 20% discount, PLUS my ravenwing boxset I got tonight was still marked at 90, not 105. So I saved even more on my whole purchase. Happy? You bet. Still willing to take the pain of the price increase? Nuh uh. Discounts only. Discounts only.



edit-Also, I looked at a bunch of models I heard had lots of miscasts, like the Chaplain with jump pack. He was perfect too. Not going to buy him, as I have LeMartes and he can always play a chappy with JP, but the one in this store was perfect.

And Mr. Mystery-this makes 2 perfect cockatrices without complaint. Yours and mine. I humbly admit that I have personally misjudged finecast as I have not seen a flaw myself yet. Online pics notwithstanding. And 35 isn't bad for a nice, pretty monster. Do I wish it was $20? Yes. Will I moan it was $35? No. Especially since I paid for it with per diem lunch money for work. Happy birthday from the boss


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Okay, scratch my previous comment about the cockatrice being perfect. The model IS great...right until the part where I realize it's missing its right leg Time to call GW tomorrow and request a replacement leg...sigh. I think it's on a separate sprue or something, there doesn't even seem to be a place for it on the sprue. I retract my previous statement about misjudging finecast. But this seems to be a simple mispackaging issue. I'm sure they'll send me out a new foot. I hope. Maybe. I don't want to send the model back though, as the rest is perfect. I just want my foot. What results did other people have with missing parts? Were you able to just get the part you need of finecast, or does the whole model have to go back?

timetowaste85 wrote:And Mr. Mystery-this makes 2 perfect cockatrices without complaint. Yours and mine. I humbly admit that I have personally misjudged finecast as I have not seen a flaw myself yet.

timetowaste85 wrote:Okay, scratch my previous comment about the cockatrice being perfect. The model IS great...right until the part where I realize it's missing its right leg

Much LOL's at this, my good man.

I really hope they get their act together by the Necron release.

I've bought 2 boxes of Flamers, 1 Zoanthrope, and 1 Cockatrice and I've had no problems with these.

Upon first inspection I thought that the material seemed brittle but after I dropped the Cockatrice on it's wing I was proven wrong. The wing didn't even pop off, it just needed a little extra glue to strengthen the connection.

Question to people sending stuff back to GW to get their replacement -

Do GW refund you the postage and packaging on sending that item to them? Because if they refuse, you don't have to post it, but you are still entitled to a replacement/full refund.

-Loki- wrote:

Tyranid Horde wrote:My Zoanthrope I bought at a GW store, it looked fine in the blister but looking at the upper torso, unacceptable miscast, a replacement is coming. I also got two of the same arms and none of the other.

... how? That's not really possible. Was the model on the sprue still? If it was, then there's no actual way for 2 identical arms unless they fethed the actual mold up. In which case there's more Zoanthropes with 2 of the same arm sets floating around.

Well it is really possible Loki, some of the model was off the sprue which I didn't notice at the time of purchase. Might have been a mispack. I have pics if some don't believe me...

Tyranid Horde wrote:Well it is really possible Loki, some of the model was off the sprue which I didn't notice at the time of purchase. Might have been a mispack. I have pics if some don't believe me...

I've seen a vid review of a Finecast GK mini and before the packs opened its obvious to him a part is missing. From what he was saying it should have been cast on a sprue together with another of the included bits (which, for some reason, was loose). As a topper there were also deformities in some of the parts. Suggests they are kitbashing blisters from failed castings/returned minis and obviously not using any sort of QC proceedure.

I purchased two models in store when finecast came out, both had to be returned. After some commiserating with the store owner about the headache finecast returns was causing, I inspected three more models before finding two that were acceptable.

So, I have personally experienced a 60% failure rate on my 5 model sample size.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Question to people sending stuff back to GW to get their replacement -

Do GW refund you the postage and packaging on sending that item to them? Because if they refuse, you don't have to post it, but you are still entitled to a replacement/full refund.

Well for the first time ever (in my experience of a half to a dozen or so returns over the last ten years) they have a freepost returns address in the UK.

Also, I was wrong they hadn't charged me for the replacement Succubus, but they did ask for the faulty one to be returned, sending to the new freepost return address at Lenton.

Not sure if that is just GW catching up with the times, or a indicator of how many replacement models they are getting requests for, as in the past they sent parts or even full models out and did not request the faulty one to be returned.

i bought 1 finecast model, it was a wood elf highborn with great weapon, and it took just a little bit of prepwork but other then that it was great. the only problem was with glue-ing and that was my fault. But so far i really like finecast.

Ouze wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:And Mr. Mystery-this makes 2 perfect cockatrices without complaint. Yours and mine. I humbly admit that I have personally misjudged finecast as I have not seen a flaw myself yet.

timetowaste85 wrote:Okay, scratch my previous comment about the cockatrice being perfect. The model IS great...right until the part where I realize it's missing its right leg

Much LOL's at this, my good man.

I really hope they get their act together by the Necron release.

Yeah, it was pretty funny. But, I called GW first thing this morning and there is a new leg on its way to my house as we speak. So it's cool.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Well for the first time ever (in my experience of a half to a dozen or so returns over the last ten years) they have a freepost returns address in the UK.

Also, I was wrong they hadn't charged me for the replacement Succubus, but they did ask for the faulty one to be returned, sending to the new freepost return address at Lenton.

What does this mean? I'm in the US. Does it mean you can mail a box somewhere, sans postage? Do you need a special label or something?

I don't think UK Freepost addresses work internationally. I'd guess the US side of things has an equivalent thing running at Memphis?

The closest analogue is prepaid, which generally requires a prepaid/preprinted label (which you can print at home, if they send you one electornically). Mostly seen on business reply envelopes stuffed in junk mail.

It sounds like what you guys have is a box you send stuff just by writing free post on it, and they pay deliveryupon receipt? Is that accurate?

Ouze wrote:The closest analogue is prepaid, which generally requires a prepaid/preprinted label (which you can print at home, if they send you one electornically). Mostly seen on business reply envelopes stuffed in junk mail.

It sounds like what you guys have is a box you send stuff just by writing free post on it, and they pay deliveryupon receipt? Is that accurate?

That's about it. Someone has to pay for it somewhere it's not a public service. "Freepost" is free to the person sending it, the recipient has to cover the cost. Similarly if you don't put the correct amount of postage on something the recipient will be asked to make up the difference before being allowed the mail.

You can also get pre-paid envelopes and sometimes companies or government will send you those if they want to get a survey back or something.

I would care to see pics of the FLAWLESS cockatrices before I believe any of your claims.

They are large casts, which may go in their favour, but all those surfaces only provide more opportunity for flaws.

Call me a cynic, but I wont believe it til I see proof

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Ouze wrote:The closest analogue is prepaid, which generally requires a prepaid/preprinted label (which you can print at home, if they send you one electornically). Mostly seen on business reply envelopes stuffed in junk mail.

It sounds like what you guys have is a box you send stuff just by writing free post on it, and they pay deliveryupon receipt? Is that accurate?

That's about it. Someone has to pay for it somewhere it's not a public service.

Wait, the post office isn't a Public Service? When did this happen?

Anyway, there's basically nothing like freepost here in the States.

My camera sucks, it's first generation digital, and I'm on the road. So you'll have to ask Mr. Mystery for one. Let's just say that I was anti Finecast and then got my cockatrice and have no complaints. If that helps at all...awesome. If it doesn't, well, unfortunately you'll need proof from somebody else. There was also VERY little flash on the thing-I just have to cut off a few sprue pieces, but nothing wrong on the wings, the body, the tail, or the single leg I got

Ouze wrote:

What does this mean? I'm in the US. Does it mean you can mail a box somewhere, sans postage? Do you need a special label or something?

Although in effect this was answered, the label thing does indeed happen in the UK. There is also a Freepost Code option, which works by them giving you an address, and part of that is say... Freepost 56550, which allows me to send for free, the Post Office/Royal Mail have a record of the code, and GW will have a set deal for each item of post sent to them in this way.

Thats the method GW are using in the UK.

I actually havent had many major problems with finecast models! I quite like them to be honest (apart from their price!)

I have bought 3 squads of plague marines and logan grimnar that are finecast models, and so far the only problems ive had are 'bubbles' in the resin, which I fill in with either super glue or green stuff. Oh and Logan's axe was bent quite a bit so had to fix that. But yeah, other than that I have nothing but good things to say about it really

Dan

I got the Techmarine with Servitor Box. The Techmarine has major problems with his right knee missing, a glob on his head, the Flammer being a detail-less blob, the plasma cutter having the mold slip, making it very far off, The servo arm on the heavy bolter sprue being heavily pitted, the heavy bolters being concave on the "flat" parts, and the Power axe arm having a big bubble void on the corner of the shoulder pad and upper arm. So yeah, calling that one in.

Servitors (other than the heavy bolters) look great. Easy clean up, very few bubbles and warping even.

Like many other people I know, I bought the Terminator Librarian for my first Finecast minature.

Inside the unresealable package , it looked to be in pretty good condition compared to a nearby Astorath the Grim. I bought it and tore through the packaging.

Right off the bat, I noticed that something was wrong with the model. The hand holding the staff had large bubbles in the fingertips. No amount of superglue can fix that.

Also, the armor's edge on both leg greaves were wavy and there is a bubble in the gem on the right leg. And one of the lightning bolts on the legs is missing its tip.

Also the material felt very fragile. I knew this become a problem later, as the staff was bent slightly out of shape. I tried to bend it back and it snapped in half.

The Great Wolf wrote:I have bought 3 squads of plague marines and logan grimnar that are finecast models, and so far the only problems ive had are 'bubbles' in the resin, which I fill in with either super glue or green stuff. Oh and Logan's axe was bent quite a bit so had to fix that. But yeah, other than that I have nothing but good things to say about it really

Dan

NO, NO, NO!!!

Miliput wash over the model, once cleaned, then a light sanding...

This is the recommended way toprepare these models.

Superglue and GS are just the GW method to sell more hobby supplies to you and will no actually fix these to the standard of the "greatest thing since breathing air" or whatever their tagline is...

Also, without pics, this thread is severely lacking in its original purpose... to prove that Fineca$t are rubbish

I have pics to load up back up there in my post ^^^

Actually the OP says to "list and problems you've had"

So really anything other than that (such as my post here or any of the ones demanding they be fixed in a certain way or other ranting) is not what this thread is for

Got another set; Vanguard vets. Opened it int he store as per the manager's request to make sure they were good. Two of them were. Two were missing major chunks, and the third was mottled as if the resin hadn't actually mixed and he was bendy as all get out. He told me I had a choice to either grab the set he had in store and try to make one good set, or call gw and have them send me another one. I went with option a, and we opened the other box. Three of those were good, though unfortunately, there was one that was crappy in either pack. Still it wasn't insurmountable and I fixed him up with a little epoxy putty due to my general impatience.

So that puts my household at roughly 50/50 now. We had two good (Darn near flawless) models, and two not so good, needed to be returned models.

That said however, I will say that their replacement policy and general customer support at the local and phone levels has been superb as usual.

I think many of these issues have something to do with the first production run. I just recently bought Lilith Hesperax in person, to make sure It was of good quality. The exact package I am 100% sure came from the initial 'unveiling' of my FLGS. There were 2 sprues, couldnt see the back one very well, but both seemed ok, so I bought it. I come home, find that everything is flawless, except that one of the blades wasn't there, as if it had snapped off in the mould. So I called GW, they sent me a new one, opened it today. And the entire kit is on ONE sprue now, instead of two. I think they are really busting their ass over there to fix this...but I'd still give it a few months. Oh, and the flashing on my second model is worse, but everything is there. Just my 2cent story.

AvatarForm wrote:Also, without pics, this thread is severely lacking in its original purpose... to prove that Fineca$t are rubbish

I have pics to load up back up there in my post ^^^

I tried taking some more pics, but I don't have a good enough camera. Nor do I have $500 to go out and buy one just to take good detailed shots of the stuff I'm pissed off about.

Also, why is a miliput wash so much better? I don't see why it matters how you do it, as long as the hole gets filled in the end and doesn't look like crap.

One Dark Eldar Archon: No Problems.

Death Master Snikch, perfect

rockerbikie wrote:One Dark Eldar Archon: No Problems.

Of course there wasn't, do you really think that the Dark Eldar would let some lesser being miscast a model of them?

Hey Guys. I need a little help D:
I brought myself a pack of finecraft Plauge Marines, I had a quick inspection before I started to see if there was anything wrong with them. I couldn't see anything wrong with them (although its a bit hard because they're not meant to be perfect because they are nurgle, so its meant to be a little mangly). A problem has come up though, I have glued one of the arms on to a dude, picked up another piece to do the other arm, then noticed that the shoulder pads is seriously bad. The mould isn't complete and its got gaps and stuff round the top.
Is there anything I can do to get this piece replace? Or have I voided the warranty by starting the building of the men?
Gonna be a bit annoyed if I have because I paid £25 to have a dude less :(

If its not, what can I do to attempt to get a replacement part for it?

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but its related to some of the talk here (finecast and the talk of replacing units)

Krellnus wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:One Dark Eldar Archon: No Problems.

Of course there wasn't, do you really think that the Dark Eldar would let some lesser being miscast a model of them?

True, I plan to buy a box of Treekin soon.

MittinsKittens wrote:Hey Guys. I need a little help D:
I brought myself a pack of finecraft Plauge Marines, I had a quick inspection before I started to see if there was anything wrong with them. I couldn't see anything wrong with them (although its a bit hard because they're not meant to be perfect because they are nurgle, so its meant to be a little mangly). A problem has come up though, I have glued one of the arms on to a dude, picked up another piece to do the other arm, then noticed that the shoulder pads is seriously bad. The mould isn't complete and its got gaps and stuff round the top.
Is there anything I can do to get this piece replace? Or have I voided the warranty by starting the building of the men?
Gonna be a bit annoyed if I have because I paid £25 to have a dude less :(

If its not, what can I do to attempt to get a replacement part for it?

Sorry if this is in the wrong place, but its related to some of the talk here (finecast and the talk of replacing units)

It was knackered before you got it out the packet. Whether you started it or not I would say it's not fit for purpose and you can get a refund/replacement. It's not your fault that you only spotted the fault once you started work on the item, you could easily argue it wasn't obvious until then.

How would I go about getting a replacement?
Would I be able to return to the store?

Yes, or contact GW directly by phone or email and ask for a replacement.

@ MittensKittens - first you should be ashamed of your avatar, that said the fact that discovery of the defect has happened after you have started to build your model should in no way invalidate any clim you have to replacement/refund.

I would call GW customer services and explain the situation, and am certain that they will resolve it for you if their usual level of service is anything to go by.

oo - ninja'd twice!

Thanks guys. I was a bit worried that I wouldn't be able to get a replacement, so that's good :3

My main worry was that I cut it off the blister before I noticed. I was like "oh crap, they could just turn round and say "lol, you derped up and probably did it yourself. We aint replacing it".

(Un?)Luckly though, I had a look at the others.
I've found, a shoulder that have a massive gash in it, one that looks like its been cut off at the top (not by me of course, one that looks like its been snipped on the corner, a hand that looks a bit messy, tried to clean it up but failed (this was before I saw the others) and the least worst of the problems, there's one that is a bit shallow on the shoulder pad trim.

So yeah, in a box of 7 units, I've got that. Yeah, totally not happy with finecast so far. My first box of fine cast (tau sniper drones and spotter) had a very minor problem that the underside of the foot had a "blister" on it.

Gonna be avoiding finecast for a while :/

Think I'm gonna go back to the shop. I don't do well on the phone (hard of hearing and not that confident).
Plus I'm going down thursday anyway to play a quick campaign game.

Thanks for your help. Nice to know I haven't dicked myself by starting the build. Only got one didude with a glued arm. Stopped when I spotted it, shall use this as an excuse to do my berzerkers.

And @not, nahhh, MLP is awesome, shall never be ashamed of that

Edit:- I tried taking some pictures so you guys can see how bad it is. I can't take any decent pictures without it going all blurry. Sorry guys :(

Sidstyler wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:Also, without pics, this thread is severely lacking in its original purpose... to prove that Fineca$t are rubbish

I have pics to load up back up there in my post ^^^

Also, why is a miliput wash so much better? I don't see why it matters how you do it, as long as the hole gets filled in the end and doesn't look like crap.

Superglue does not fill the imperfections suitably and pools. This is then visible through a paintjob.

Greenstuff fills the holes yes. But then requires more working than a 1:1 Miliputt/Water mix. While the Miliputt wash can be sanded once dry, the Greenstuff cannot.

If you are a hobbyist who actually cares about preparing models for painting and brining these casts up to the standard they are designed for (extra crisp details, blah blah blah), then the recommended Miliputt wash is the way to go.

If you want it to look like crap, use superglue or kneadatite (Greenstuff's trade name), but do not expect to improve the imperfection substantially.

Also, to those claiming their sculpts have been "flawless" and "perfect" please supply pics.

Add me to the list,

Kaildor Draigo, crack out of the side of his shoulder pad

Wow. I went to the store to get it sorted out. No questions asked, he opened a box of plauges up before I even managed to get my backpack open to prove that I had a problem or to even prove I brought the stuff there. So GW are awesome in my books for customer service.
Sadly, there we a couple in that box that were the same way. He said he would give me both boxes so I could mix and match which COULD give me more then I brought. Didn't accept it (which I may of been a fool for doing) because I couldn't be sure until I actually sat down and made them, plus, I dislike the material, its seems crummy compared to the normal stuff. Got a box of CSM and got a little money back too.
Get some greenstuff and get inventive and I should be golden. Will be cheaper and its more reliable that the pieces won't be crappy xP

You should have taken him up on the offer. Seems like Plaguemarines should be a little deformed, the odd conversion to cover the missing/deformed part and you would have had twice as many.

Still its good that you got something else that you wanted.

Meh, I'm kinda new to this, so I didn't want to be shafted with a load of units that need a lot of work to get looking good. Plus, I would of never been truely happy with it because I look at my men and know what's wrong with them. Might be hard to notice, but I know, and that's enough for me to grind teeth

Lastly, I'm lazy, I would of never got round to actually sorting them out.

Also, as I said, I hate the finecraft material anyway, there's something offputting about it xP

So yeah, gonna do it the easy way, build my troops, and then get a GW store buddy to show me how he made his CSMs look like plauges, they looked freaking amazing with his xP

To be fair to finecast, I went and bought the new Cockatrice model on saturday, and despite the large amount of detail that the model includes (the skulls next to the tail, the wings and what-not), there wasn't a single imperfection on the thing.

Actually, none of the finecast models that me and my general gaming crew have bought have had any imperfections whatsoever, and in total we've bought quite a few.

But maybe we're just lucky.

Oh, I'm obviously not here to stop people buying finecraft, hell, I even hope people get awesome models using it
Just, my experiences haven't been so great as you can tell, so I'm going to avoid it

Well yeah, I was thinking of avoiding finecast as well until the technology improved, that was until I started organising a storm of magic game and realised that I wanted to use a Cockatrice.

I suppose it's the luck of the draw really, and If you don't need a certain model for a certain time then avoiding it until the number of miscasts decreases seems sensible.

Ordered a box of Dark Eldar Wracks last week, picked them up yesterday. I spent about two minutes going over the models looking for casting defects, finally found some pock marks on the underside (not the back, the side that will be facing the base) of the kilt of the model pictured top middle on the back of the box.



But I can't figure out whether this little mountain of resin that overtook the elbow on the one weapon arm is a design defect or a casting error. (Whatever that big, long gun is called, the elbow and about half the forearm for the arm holding it is buried in that projection of resin.)




The rest of the models are fine. I'd post more pictures, but the battery on the camera's low and I can't find the charger.

Eh, good enough to keep, I guess.

First finecast model for me in yesterday, a Ork painboy with grot orderly.

to put it plainly the thing is flawless. very intricate detail. though I will say the quality of detail is abotu the same as my metal models, and I would prefr metal to finecast given the choice. however after reading abotu all the flaws I was pleasd to see that it looked good, no missing or proken pieces and detail looked good.

the only gripe is it only came with oen base when it needs one for the painboy and one for the orderly >+< I have plenty of bases as i bought a 50 pack online from hoard-o-bits, a small gripe but if i didn't have extra bases I'd probably be callign and complaining abotu tat. not a problem with the finecast though

We are now waiting on close-up pics of 3 "perfect/flawless" Cockatrice/s?

I cannot contribute to the flaw count since I haven't bought any fine-cast miniature yet.
However, my gaming store which is quite big has taken all fine-cast miniatures from the shelf
and will no longer sell them.
The reasons are quality issues and the store manager said that the material will get harder
when its getting older and so will eventually break.

As I wanted to grab a Finecast miniature for myself, I went onto eBay and bought the first figure of Aragorn (Fellowship of the Ring version) that I saw, to compare to my metal figure. I presumed that by buying a model on eBay, particularly one that was, in fact, cheaper than the metal versions on sale, the chances of it having some flaws were fairly high (the picture given in the auction was only of the front, clearly hadn't had its flash removed, and was of low enough quality that it could easily have hidden some flaws). Imagine my surprise, then, when it arrived with almost no flaws at all. Aside from the aforementioned flash (which I think we can all accept, particularly considering how much easier it is to remove than flaws in the metal figures), the only flaws are some genuinely tiny, pin-prick indents in the front of Aragorn's arm, so small I'm happy to completely ignore them. Anyway, don't take my word for it: I've uploaded comparison shots of it and the metal figure (which I'd sadly already primed in black, so hiding some of its detail)





There are a couple of points that look like they could be flaws in the photograph: the inside of Aragorn's coat looks like it could be miscast, and it looks like there could be some warping in the figure under his right foot from the back. In the former case that's simply how it's meant to look: the casting is identical to that of the metal figure, but the black paint obscures it. In the latter case, it's actually a triangle of flash between the foot and base, which in the photograph has ended up looking like a fold. You can also see a hunk of excess resin hanging off the bottom of the cloak, which just needs to be clipped off. As for those pin-pricks I mentioned: if you squint, you can just make one out on the front of his outstretched arm, just where the inside of his elbow would be. Really noticeable, eh (there might also appear to be one on the back of his cloak, but that was actually a speck of dust on the model). In all, I'm very happy with this Finecast model - particularly as there is a clear improvement in the detail that's come through on Aragorn's face and clothes.

I doubt I'll buy any more for a good while - for the next few months I've got to focus on finishing my WOTR army, and aside from the Aragorn figure none of what I need is available in Finecast - but if I do and this thread is still ongoing I'll be sure to provide more photographs.

If you are a hobbyist who actually cares about preparing models for painting and brining these casts up to the standard they are designed for (extra crisp details, blah blah blah), then the recommended Miliputt wash is the way to go.

If you want it to look like crap, use superglue or kneadatite (Greenstuff's trade name), but do not expect to improve the imperfection substantially.

I only asked because I don't think anyone's ever told me to do a miliputt wash before. Guess I'll have to try that out.

Thanks for reminding me about my Tau tanks by the way, lol...green stuff is really hard to get looking good, I kinda gave up and have bumpy spots on my vehicles in some spots.

AvatarForm wrote:We are now waiting on close-up pics of 3 "perfect/flawless" Cockatrice/s?

The wait is over. After I took pictures and found out how to incorporate them into my posts I have finally posted them. The green stuff on the wing is there due to human error (me) when gluing the wing on, as I was doing it very late at night and needed it for a Storm of Magic game, so it's not a problem with the casting. I also realise that this first picture is not close-up but I'm too lazy to take a new picture.

wiper wrote:
There are a couple of points that look like they could be flaws in the photograph: the inside of Aragorn's coat looks like it could be miscast, and it looks like there could be some warping in the figure under his right foot from the back. In the former case that's simply how it's meant to look: the casting is identical to that of the metal figure, but the black paint obscures it. In the latter case, it's actually a triangle of flash between the foot and base, which in the photograph has ended up looking like a fold. You can also see a hunk of excess resin hanging off the bottom of the cloak, which just needs to be clipped off. As for those pin-pricks I mentioned: if you squint, you can just make one out on the front of his outstretched arm, just where the inside of his elbow would be. Really noticeable, eh (there might also appear to be one on the back of his cloak, but that was actually a speck of dust on the model). In all, I'm very happy with this Finecast model - particularly as there is a clear improvement in the detail that's come through on Aragorn's face and clothes.

yes, I can agree that the details on the fineca$t Aragorn appear sharper. However, the black metal model does not provide an accurate comparison. Comparisons with metal versions are best achieved with a neutral grey primer (Vallejo Grey is what I use).

As for the imperfections on this, you may choose to ignore them, but the act remains that they are present and do not represent accurately the level of casting that GW is advertising.

Companies like Studio McVey cast at the same scale in much higher detail without imperfections, yet they do not claim to be the "greatest blah blah blah"

Here's my Failcast Librarian that I kinda got sucked into buying. I ordered it months ago through the LGS and it finally came in. It's complete garbage. GW has dispatched a new one to me, I'll see how it goes, but I honestly have no hopes of it being any better. This model seems to the #1 most problematic. I've seen a dozen+ of this particular Failcast model and only one of the 12+ (while still containing some minor flaws) was acceptable. I speculate that the failure rate for the Terminator Librarian is something like 92%.

AvatarForm wrote:
yes, I can agree that the details on the fineca$t Aragorn appear sharper. However, the black metal model does not provide an accurate comparison. Comparisons with metal versions are best achieved with a neutral grey primer (Vallejo Grey is what I use).

I know - as I said, my metal figure was:

wiper wrote:sadly already primed in black, so hiding some of its detail

I'd primed it for painting before I'd purchased the Finecast model, never mind thought of comparing the two. I could strip it and re-prime it, but that'd mean both effort, and forking out for grey primer that I'd never otherwise use.

I picked up a Finecast Lelith last week. I must say I was pretty impressed with the level of detail and how easy it was to clean up. Of course when I was cleaning mold lines the handle on the front dagger broke, making me think that maybe I’ll just lose the whole dagger and make her fisticuff. The biggie however was the medium sized air bubble on the inside of thigh at the pantyline making her look like she’s flashing her VagJJ. At Lelith’s request no photo will be provided and Lelith is demanding I take her out for drinks before I render repairs.

I got to give my experience a 6 out of 10. Nothing I can’t repair, but at 14USD why should I have to?

-MightyG

The only problem I ams seeing is that there was only one I seemed intred in at my LFGS and it was Logan. It look good, but I already have him in the current pose, why do I need a twin?

wuestenfux wrote:I cannot contribute to the flaw count since I haven't bought any fine-cast miniature yet.
However, my gaming store which is quite big has taken all fine-cast miniatures from the shelf
and will no longer sell them.
The reasons are quality issues and the store manager said that the material will get harder
when its getting older and so will eventually break.

Has anyone else's FLGS stopped carrying the line?

Ouze wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:I cannot contribute to the flaw count since I haven't bought any fine-cast miniature yet.
However, my gaming store which is quite big has taken all fine-cast miniatures from the shelf
and will no longer sell them.
The reasons are quality issues and the store manager said that the material will get harder
when its getting older and so will eventually break.

Has anyone else's FLGS stopped carrying the line?

Both, along with 2 of my favourite online AUS stores who refused to send back their metals...

I grabbed the last metal Canis Wolfborn off the shelf today...

I bought a Finecast Hive Tyrant yesterday. I haven't put it together yet but it all appears fine.

Out of 6 boxes of Wracks, ordered via pre-order (yeah took me a while to get round to them) 2 have been perfect.

Wracks themselves have all been fine and dandy but the weapon sprue for the Acothyst, not so much. Beware if you plan on using the Whip, as this wasn't up to scratch!

Ouze wrote:Has anyone else's FLGS stopped carrying the line?

Mine has. (Gateshead games)

Mr Mystery wrote:Out of 6 boxes of Wracks, ordered via pre-order (yeah took me a while to get round to them) 2 have been perfect.

Wracks themselves have all been fine and dandy but the weapon sprue for the Acothyst, not so much. Beware if you plan on using the Whip, as this wasn't up to scratch!

You planning on supplying pics?

I find 2/6 to be absolutely perfect boxes, especially from the first batch (Pre-Order), difficult to believe without visual proof.

AvatarForm wrote:I find 2/6 to be absolutely perfect boxes, especially from the first batch (Pre-Order), difficult to believe without visual proof.

Oh Games Workshop, how low you done fallen, when a player states 66% of the models they bought were screwed up and that figure is dismissed as unlikely because it's too good.

I believe you, but it's startling to see the current sentiment regarding GWS's QC, one of the few things even the most hardcore hater wouldn't deny as excellent just 1 year ago.

GW still has an unsullied reputation as a provider of high quality, high price plastic model kits at 2007 exchange rates!

A friend of mine has a theory that kind of makes sense: since metal minis with miscasts could just be melted and used as raw material again, GW didn't loose much by rejecting said minis.

Now with failcast you don't have that option so they are probably under instructions to be a bit more "loose" with their criteria... That or half the QC staff got fired in an effort to reduce costs even further. That, coupled with the fact that they are using basicly the same molds that they used to cast their metal minis leads to theses issues.

I don't really care for the overal aestetics of most of the armies for DW, but the level of detail on those things is amazing so it is possible to obtain high quality and high levels of detail with resin, GW is miles away from it though.

I don't know, this is just wild speculation, all I know is that thanks to failcast my project to build a Dark Eldar army went down the drain. At least Spartan, PP, Empress, Critical Mass Games and Wyrd get some profit out of it.

I ordered some finecast online at the start of the week (2 boxes of wracks and a succubus) and when I opened them, 8 out of the 11 models were miscast. 2 of the 3 that werent had one or two little bubbles in, but were usable.

The Succubus had all her chin and half her neck missing and her agoniser and other weapon also had holes in. All 10 Wracks had insane amounts of flash on 5 of them (2x top left, top right and 2x bottom left in picture) it was as thick as their swords in places and impossible to remove without utterly destroying the detail. Half of these also had several (not huge, but noticable) bubbles in, as did two others. Two were okay but thats 82% fail, for a ~£75 order.



My previous experience of fine cast (a haemonculus and Urien) were fine, but needless to say GW got a complaint from me this time. I sent an email on wednesday and am yet to have a reply. Not impressed.....

I got my replacement Librarian in Terminator Armour today. It's even worse than the first one. This one is really bad. Absolutely nothing is usable in this kit. It is by far the worst Failcast I have seen to date.

















I didn't have much faith in this product to begin with, but this is just utter gak. A 3rd one is on the way. If the 3rd one is crap then I'm refusing further replacement and demanding credit towards another purchase.

@Oni: Holy crap. I'd heard the flak being thrown at Finecast (also heard it called Finecost), but hadn't seen any pictures of the "bad" models so far. Wow, just wow.

Now I'm torn between either running to my FLGS and buying our all their metal models for Tau, or hiding in terror in my room, for fear that warped and twisted thing that was once a sprue shall pursue me in the night and grind my bones for more resin...


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By the way, does the OP or anyone else have the current Miscast number, or a rough ratio of crap to useable Finecost models?

darkPrince010 wrote:Now I'm torn between either running to my FLGS and buying our all their metal models

I recently did this... buying all the metals I could ever need for my armies...

I have just picked up the new Cockatrice, and it looks great. All the parts look like it goes together pretty smoothly.

Thank god I still have several dozen bolter and numerous melta/flamer Sisters sitting in a box unpainted.

I bought my first fine cast model two days ago, I was kinda worried when I had it ordered in because I've heard from a few places, including the Wayland site that, well basically the quality has been crap. I've had two tiny bubbles on my Astorath the Grim figure, I've quite pleased with it.

It does seem to be a double edged sword, I suspect any more I'll buy may have larger problems =[

Bought Lelith Herespex for my Dark Eldar. Looked ok from the box, couldn't turn it round inside the packaging obviously. Got it home, there's no face. It's just flat, from the tip of the chin to the roots of her hair. There are numerous air bubbles, large air bubbles, along the inside of the left leg, and he's missing a foot, which I never noticed.

Dark Eldar Haemonculus.
"Best" out of two available at the store(The other one had only 2 fingers on the "fleshgauntlet)

The one I bought had:
Quite a large amount of missing resin(possible a result from airbubbles) on the edge of his dagger, greenstuffing required.
Two "major" and one "minor" airbubbles on on the fingers on the hand that carries the small casket. Major airbubbles will require greenstuffing, minor could be covered by paint or small amounts of superglue.
One "major" airbubble on his middle finger on the fleshgauntlet, could possibly be shrugged of as a malformed finger....
One "major" airbubble on the hand of the fleshgauntlet, will require fixing.
One LARGE airbubble on the top of his head(Or as a certain apothecary would say..."Headwound, fatal"). No problem to cover it up with greenstuff, though I can't understand how I missed this when I checked it out in the store!

The one I choose was quite faulty(atleast it had no missing parts), I'm beginning to wonder if the other one would have been a better choice, since I wont use the fleshgauntlet, though it could have had the same issues as mine since the only thing I manage to see when its was in the package was the faulty dagger.

I bought a couple of boxes of wracks and a haemonculous that were flawed. One wrack had a weapon that looked like a cooked piece of spaghetti which I replaced. Another couple had casting flaws that required me to reshape them with a knife.
The hex rifle in one of the boxes was bent and took a bit of work to get it back in proper shape.
The Haemonculous was missing part of his foot and several hoses had parts missing.
To sum up:

10 wracks. 5 flawed models
1 haemonculous 1 flawed model

I have only bought 2 Finecast models, and they have been great!

Went to my FLGS to inspect the finecast line for myself, needless to say of the 6 blisters available they were all terrible.

Varying degrees of miscasts, green gunk stuck to the models themselves and lots of bubbles.

The only one probably serviceable was a jump pack chaplain, his jump back was one thruster but the model itself only had a few bubbles from what I saw and a enormous amount of flash.

Something that would be interesting to do in addition to a flaw count would be to make a chart on the nature of the flaws, as air bubbles, warping, excess flash on details, etc.

Yeah, and maybe an overall degree of severity, like a 1 being minor bubbles, 2 being bubbles you have to do grerenstuffing for, and a 3 being like the "He's got no face" scenario above, and give the "Flaw Severity" total for the pack. I think your idea will help give a better view on it, since if you have only 1 flawed model of 6, but he's basically only usable as Chaos spawn, it's not "less worse" than 3 or 4 models with need of greenstuffing (imo).

So far I have only purchased 1 finecast model and it wasn't even for myself. It was a Tomb Kings Liche Priest and it was for a friend that I traded for some MTG cards. Of the two that were at my FLGS, the first had the staff bent really badly as the biggest defect one could see in the packaging. The second one, the one I purchased for my friend, was seemingly fine other than the excessive amount of flash on the model, particularly at the head of the staff and just throughout the main body of the model. There was about 1/3 to 1/2 amount of flash equal to the amount of material used in the model itself. Since my friend didn't mind cleaning off the flash and there were no other defects with the model, he found it acceptable.

Having taken a look at the few other finecast models at my FLGS, there is at least one terrible looking Commissar Yarrick with obvious bubbles on the Stormbolter, one of the Blood Angles characters with a less than complete Jump Pack, and a Logan Grimnar that didn't look all that great either.

There are still more metal models on the shelves than finecast ones. Whether that's because people are actually buying the finecast ones, they aren't being stocked as well, or because they have been returned to GW, I don't know but I will ask the owner when he gets back from vacation. Make of this what you will.

Makes you wonder how they're actually made? I know the Wayland website had a huge list of flaws and cancelled taking orders until they were sorted.

I've noticed a few small bubbles in my Astorath the Grim fine cast, to be fair, nothing worth whinging about but there seems to be a huge error rate. If this was any other "quality" product there'd be uproar.

I've been playing GW games since 94. Since then I get one incorrectly packaged or miscast a year. I've purchased 4 fine cast models so far with the only error resulting in me dipping the model in hot water to straighten Abbadon's top knot. So far, I've not had the issues everyone else has had. I guess other than the tab you put in the base having bubbles in it I haven't had any issues.

Most of the issues I have had were with the metal models - I've had some of them bent or broken crozious/swords/guns and mispackaged items (marauders with no bodies but twice the amount of arms, lizardmen with no shields or arms, not having bolt guns or arms in a box of marines, etc) GW has always fixed my problem - I've received another box and sprues that only had bodies to match the maruders, additional marine boxes, lizardmen, etc. Its a pain but it happens when you have the volume they spit out. Given enough time, it will work its way out.

They had the same issues when they first did the plastic box sets and when the marines were metal you didn't always get enough arms, bolt guns, etc. If Portent.net was still around you'd be able to look up their old forums and see the threads about the random crap people were missing. If we're having the same problem in 3-6 months then its a serious issue.

went on a little trip to NYC this past week and stopped in at the GW store while I was there. Bought Huron Blackheart, and Kurt Helborg in Finecast. Both are terrible and useless. I was willing to give GW the benefit of the doubt and thought it would be unlikely that so many kits were miscast, but not anymore. a huge chunk of Hurons right shoulder pad is just flat detail-less space that looks like a chunk was sheared off. The sabaton on his left foot was split in half and going in two different directions. Kurt Helborg seemed like he was going to be a bit better, then I realized his right leg was missing entirely! also, the skull that was on the head area of his warhorses armor was very miscast. 50 dollars worth of minis, worthless.


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It was so disapointing to open two miscasts in a row. What are the odds one might say? Shorter than I had supposed.

bought a libby in termie armour, one or two flaws on the staff that i dont care about because im going to be cutting it off anyway, and the plasma pistol has a flaw or two, again im not using it so i dont care, rest of the model is as far as im concerned perfectly fine

iproxtaco wrote:Bought Lelith Herespex for my Dark Eldar. Looked ok from the box, couldn't turn it round inside the packaging obviously. Got it home, there's no face. It's just flat, from the tip of the chin to the roots of her hair. There are numerous air bubbles, large air bubbles, along the inside of the left leg, and he's missing a foot, which I never noticed.

Man, the cast was so bad it even changed Leliths gender!

I purchased my first finecast just yesterday - Urien Rakarth. After i got it home (not even out of the packaging yet) i noticed that a large portion of the right side of his jacket was missing, and that parts of the left side were cast so thin they were almost transparent. Thankfully the black shirt at my store is pretty cool, so getting an exchange shouldnt be a problem.

So given that reports of poor quality and miscast Finecast products are still appearing, does this scotch GW's assertion that the quality would improve over time, I wonder?

That is to say, are GW to right to suggest that it is a temporary QA problem rather than inherent flaws in the process? Or is it still to early to make that call? Does anyone here have manufacturing experience and give a judgement on how long one would expect a new line and process to 'shake out' and be consistent?

-Loki- wrote:Man, the cast was so bad it even changed Leliths gender!

To be fair, Lelith isn't the most feminine model around.

I have 10 incubi in finecast, both boxes klaives + arms moulds slipped so fingers over lap and handles and blades don't line up, also there are a couple of models that have uneven/rough surfaces and one body that was completely unusable (good job i only use 9 incubi) but also the box included a couple of flawless bodies

filbert wrote:So given that reports of poor quality and miscast Finecast products are still appearing, does this scotch GW's assertion that the quality would improve over time, I wonder?

If I had to hazard a guess, it might simply be that the ones that are "still appearing" never went anywhere in the first place. It might be they had been packaged and distributed before the QA went into effect or any number of factors.

It's why batch numbers are important to figure out, I think.

I have only picked up one FInecast so far, and it was great. The broodlord's body practically fell right off the sprue frame with almost no evidence of having ever been on it at all. The rest of the pieces clipped off just fine, a little cleaning , and they were perfect. It took a total of about 10 minutes to assemble the model.

From the new material and packaging, it is easier to identify screwups and avoid buying them. The new material makes modelling soooo much easier than white metal. If you do end up getting one anyway, call GW. So there are two ways that you can avoid the Finecast whining!

Gorechild wrote:I ordered some finecast online at the start of the week (2 boxes of wracks and a succubus) and when I opened them, 8 out of the 11 models were miscast. 2 of the 3 that werent had one or two little bubbles in, but were usable.

The Succubus had all her chin and half her neck missing and her agoniser and other weapon also had holes in. All 10 Wracks had insane amounts of flash on 5 of them (2x top left, top right and 2x bottom left in picture) it was as thick as their swords in places and impossible to remove without utterly destroying the detail. Half of these also had several (not huge, but noticable) bubbles in, as did two others. Two were okay but thats 82% fail, for a ~£75 order.

*snip*

My previous experience of fine cast (a haemonculus and Urien) were fine, but needless to say GW got a complaint from me this time. I sent an email on wednesday and am yet to have a reply. Not impressed.....

Got my replacements at the end of last week. They were much better than the first lot, but quite a lot of them were still miscast. the replacement Succubus was miscast in the exact same places as the first one, so I'm still unable to make a complete one of her. I've managed to cobble together 10 Wracks out of the 4 boxes though and have sent all the miscast ones back. An improvement, but still what you'd expect for the price, from a company that reckons itself the porshe of the minature world.

filbert wrote:So given that reports of poor quality and miscast Finecast products are still appearing, does this scotch GW's assertion that the quality would improve over time, I wonder?

That is to say, are GW to right to suggest that it is a temporary QA problem rather than inherent flaws in the process? Or is it still to early to make that call? Does anyone here have manufacturing experience and give a judgement on how long one would expect a new line and process to 'shake out' and be consistent?

This is why batch numbers are important when you are reporting this here.

Gorechild wrote:from a company that reckons itself the porshe of the minature world.

Indeed. GW has quite a bit to answer for...


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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:From the new material and packaging, it is easier to identify screwups and avoid buying them.

Oh, I must dispute this...

The new packaging is clear on one side... meaning you may miss flaws which are on the other side of the sprue but you cannot see them yet...

I recently worked through a new box of eldar rangers.
I should have taken photos:
2 of them were like Han Solo frozen in Carbonite.
All of the long rifles were flawed: bubbled and needing GS reinforcement / resculpting. Three of them needed a LOT of work to get pointed in the right direction; one of the rifle barrels was almost 90' out and even after almost an hour of gentle hot water and smoothing, it is still not straight.
I found a lot of the finer details on the cloak had spilled onto the hands and weapons etc. Basically a nightmare.
Luckily it seems only one of them had any major slippage in the mould, and was easy enough to hide on this particular models (GS extension of cloak).

Well the thing I dislike apart from the countless problems that appear is the weight of the model; I only have a few metal models, and the feel of those is faaar better than that of finecast.
I just put some models on a scale:
metal snikrot: 60g
finecast kff mek: 9g

so now my important models dont feel important any more, they are just not heavy enough.

I wonder if anyone of you has this feeling...

mal wrote:I recently worked through a new box of eldar rangers.
I should have taken photos:
2 of them were like Han Solo frozen in Carbonite.
All of the long rifles were flawed: bubbled and needing GS reinforcement / resculpting. Three of them needed a LOT of work to get pointed in the right direction; one of the rifle barrels was almost 90' out and even after almost an hour of gentle hot water and smoothing, it is still not straight.
I found a lot of the finer details on the cloak had spilled onto the hands and weapons etc. Basically a nightmare.
Luckily it seems only one of them had any major slippage in the mould, and was easy enough to hide on this particular models (GS extension of cloak).

Which is why I kept my metal rangers

Received my Vlad Von Carstein today.

The overall cast is okay, but he's missing his entire hand and the 'skullblasting' bit for his cloak. Phoned them up and have a new one on the way. Will post photos later.

Also, I forgot to mention it was Batch # 000023

Only one FC so far: SM Librarian with Termie armor. It was extremely difficult to get rid of all the cling-on stuff (whatever you call it) without harming the details.

I finally opened my finecast Cockatrice, and when I did I was impressed, there is a fair amount of venting bits on the tail that cleaned up pretty quickly. The details on the wings is rather amazing. I just need to decide how to paint it before I get it all put together.

Acardia wrote:I finally opened my finecast Cockatrice, and when I did I was impressed, there is a fair amount of venting bits on the tail that cleaned up pretty quickly. The details on the wings is rather amazing. I just need to decide how to paint it before I get it all put together.

There's something about Cockatrice's seeming to have less faults than other models, maybe the mould has been better produced/fitted.

I only have one finecast model at the moment, the Dark Eldar Archon, which I picked up on release day, no flaws except for the questionable location GW decided to inject the resin from , which made some of the mold lines kind of annoying to get rid off (really, you pick the crevice of the model's cloak? Intelligent guys, real intelligent...)

Got my first finecast today. Prince Apophas, the TK scarab fella. The frame interior is solid flash. I will attempt to cut him out but I am not optimistic about it.

The frame interior being filled with flash isn't a bad sign unless it's really thick. If it's like, tissue paper thin, it'll just break away and not even leave a mold line. One of my Zoanthropes was like that.

My cockatrice (purchased via preorder) has holes where the back knobs should be, and bubble holes in the wing attachment muscles, leaving a hole in the front of the wing where it attaches to the body. One part of one leg looked perfect save a bit of flash. When I delicately cut it off with modeling knife, it collapsed inward as a bubble.

Note I didn't notice many of these flaws until painting or really getting in there tight to clean it up. The model is so busy with textures that the miscasts are hard to see. I used half-hardened paint scum to fill and resculpt the flaws, but the back knobs didn't work well. I bet once these folks with "perfect" cockatrices really get in there to paint every single scale or feather like I did, they will start to see issues and flaws.... or they won't notice so won't care. But this poor quality is unacceptable to me.

This cockatrice was my latest fincast purchase, and will be my last unless things seriously change.

I was debating getting a great taurus, but the one I saw in progress in the store had huge bubbles in the front legs - approx 1 cm x 0.5 cm* in the tops of both front legs. Same for the Lammasu. Not buying either now!

* (yeah, I'm american, but also a scientist. I have used metric for many years now. )

Only bought a finecast Ghazzy, and no flaws at all.

Very happy with the one I've purchased.

Got sauron, he's perfect. Gil gilad and elrond blister has a ripped base for elrond, and gil-gilad's spear was bent almost at right angles when I got the sprue open.

I'm a dumbass so I bought a haemonculus. I wasn't going to after being disappointed with the incubi and claimed I wouldn't be buying Finecast again, but the haemonculus model I got wasn't too bad actually. The only problems I have are bubbles under his "labcoat" where they can't be seen, and some bubbles on the backs of his fingers which might be kinda trick to fill...the fingers look really brittle and I just know I'm going to break them.

Still gotta say though that the other models I browsed weren't too impressive. They had one of the "new" Lilith models with all the parts on one sprue instead of two, and it still didn't look good enough to buy...hell, there was a big chunk of resin right on her face.

chaos lord,had few flaws :(


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Kirbinator wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Man, the cast was so bad it even changed Leliths gender!

To be fair, Lelith isn't the most feminine model around.

guinness

well, i made a fairly large purchase recently for my Haemonculi coven, and found several flaws...I was quite dissapointed.

I purchased 2 boxes of wracks
2 Haemonculi
4 Grotesques

all in all i had 3 wracks with mismolded faces

both haemonculi have air bubbles on their vials for their spine packs and flesh gauntlets

and ALL the grotesques had major air bubbles on their abdomens, vials, and tubes were mis cast. I can supply pics, but my home comp is in the shop for repairs so i cannot post outside of work.

I will be contacting GW about this...how should I approach it ? with an email with pics, or just a phone call? I have all of their batch codes.

I called them, myself. An e-mail with pics sounds like a good idea too, but I'm not sure if they even read their e-mail. I imagine it all goes to a junk folder which gets emptied out on a daily basis...X) if someone can prove me wrong please do.

If anyone is actually tracking batch numbers. I have an Inquisitor Coteaz batch code 874363.

The Lord Commissar I have is batch code 000000.

Both have no discernible problem.

Just got the farseer and warlocks box. Models were awesome. Flash cleaned off with finger nails.

Only problem was one slotta was way too fat for the base so I had to shave it down.

Sorry I tossed the package, no batch number.

I just bought a generic Chaos Lord for WHFB and I was pleased to find no errors in the cast.

I'm enjoying the material though, easy to cut apart and such makes converting a dream. I'll post pics to follow soon.

Gymnogyps wrote:I bet once these folks with "perfect" cockatrices really get in there to paint every single scale or feather like I did, they will start to see issues and flaws....

Mine is now fully painted apart from the tail, although I have painted the skulls in the centre. It's all been fine and in all the checks that I made on the tail I haven't spotted anything but I'm planning on finishing it off tomorrow so will post again then.

Maybe you got unlucky, I certain that there isn't a model that hasn't got at least a few off castings. Either that or we all just got lucky.

Can more of you take pics of your miss casts. I have only seen a few and this really lends validity to what you are saying. We all have digital cameras or know of someone who does. Posting pics takes about as much time as writting a long complaint here and with this subject a pic is worth a thousand words.l



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I also wonder ... does GW save cash on shipping finegast because it is so much lighter than a metal mini. If so they are really making more on these than they used to.

sennacherib wrote:I also wonder ... does GW save cash on shipping finegast because it is so much lighter than a metal mini. If so they are really making more on these than they used to.

I wonder if having all the air bubbles makes them lighter Plus, GW can use the material they should have used to fill in a mold completely to make another 90% filled model (Make 9 miscasts, get one free!)

Bought my first batch of finecast today.... SM Chaplain with Jump Pack, Inquistor Cotaez and a box of Sternguard Veterans... the Chaplain and Inquistor were both flawless and I was astounded by the detail... The Sternguards... well had a lot of issues, so much so, that the store had to open an additional 2 boxes of them to make a complete flawless set to give me