KingCracker wrote:Ill admit, I liked the Devil in Constantine. He just had a style to him. And for some reason, I loved the tar on his feet for some reason
FITZZ wrote: Ha, Ineptus' post puts me a bit at odds with myself...
On one hand, I am perhaps the biggest fan of our flesh eating friends that has ever walked the earth...
But, on the other hand...I don't really see zombies as " bad guys"...they have no conscience of what they are...no agenda ...no schemes...they are simply victims of a virus/disease , who have become "monsters"...
Huh, that is rather perplexing...I would at least consider them "antagonists" as they serve as the "enemy" in the two books...
Antagonist...yeah, but hardly "voluntary antagonist"...if you follow..
Zombies don't choose to be " evil" ( in fact I don't consider them evil at all)...their actions are simply a byproduct of their condition.
Yeah I agree, they are just hungry thick people really..
Ill throw up Chong Li on the list. He was brutal, and cared only about winning. And killed randomly just for the hell of it
Haha right, a friend of mine had a Chong Li box set once, the guy dies in every film he is in I believe.
No one has mentioned it yet, this was the first Japanese horror I watched, I believe this movie helped to breathe new life into the genre:
The scene is that much worse, because you think everything is sorted and the film is winding down. Far superior to the Hollywood take I believe, the lingering shot of her slowly coming out of the well while the guy cottons on to what is happening - gives me the shivers just thinking about it, I think an absolutely masterful piece of movie making!
FITZZ wrote: Ha, Ineptus' post puts me a bit at odds with myself...
On one hand, I am perhaps the biggest fan of our flesh eating friends that has ever walked the earth...
But, on the other hand...I don't really see zombies as " bad guys"...they have no conscience of what they are...no agenda ...no schemes...they are simply victims of a virus/disease , who have become "monsters"...
I agree.
A lot of the time the actual "antagonist" in a zombie movie is another human.
Rented Tritium wrote: He's never got an interesting backstory, he's never believable.
Really? fighting the creator of everything(according to legend) for control of everything isn't an interesting backstory?
and lying was always one of his strongest talents. you're not supposed to believe him!
Except that his fight is never actually explored. he's used as a generic boogeyman with magic powers. Almost nobody actually writes anything interesting into him besides making him automatically evil with no actual characterization.
And when I say believable, I don't mean it like "do I believe what this character is saying", its "does this character seem real"
Bottom line, satan is almost never written well. He's always a flat unrealized character without any well defined motivations.
The question is not whether they are real or seem real, the question is who's the best bad guy and that would be Satan. He's OP and evil, an incredibly dangerous combination for an evil villain.
See, those are the exact things that make him a BAD villain. Power without characterization makes him an awful villain. He might as well be a natural disaster at that point. The devil is a profoundly boring villain.
The best villains are the ones that have layers and motivations. The devil is just derp evil derp.
Being believable or not is ABSOLUTELY a part of what makes the best villains.
Automatically Appended Next Post: That's not to say you can't probably find some specific movie that did satan really well, but I can't think of one.
He does have character, his goal is to trick people into committing sins so they're prevented paradise and live the rest of there afterlife burning in eternal fire.
FITZZ wrote: Ha, Ineptus' post puts me a bit at odds with myself...
On one hand, I am perhaps the biggest fan of our flesh eating friends that has ever walked the earth...
But, on the other hand...I don't really see zombies as " bad guys"...they have no conscience of what they are...no agenda ...no schemes...they are simply victims of a virus/disease , who have become "monsters"...
Huh, that is rather perplexing...I would at least consider them "antagonists" as they serve as the "enemy" in the two books...
Antagonist...yeah, but hardly "voluntary antagonist"...if you follow..
Zombies don't choose to be " evil" ( in fact I don't consider them evil at all)...their actions are simply a byproduct of their condition.
Yeah I agree, they are just hungry thick people really..
Ill throw up Chong Li on the list. He was brutal, and cared only about winning. And killed randomly just for the hell of it
Haha right, a friend of mine had a Chong Li box set once, the guy dies in every film he is in I believe.
No one has mentioned it yet, this was the first Japanese horror I watched, I believe this movie helped to breathe new life into the genre:
The scene is that much worse, because you think everything is sorted and the film is winding down. Far superior to the Hollywood take I believe, the lingering shot of her slowly coming out of the well while the guy cottons on to what is happening - gives me the shivers just thinking about it, I think an absolutely masterful piece of movie making!
Yea the Ring was pretty damn spooky. Ive never watched Ring-U though, I should since its going to better then the American version. I know Ju-on was far scarier then The Grudge. Goddamn...now that movie creeps me the feth out.
Man that's given me the creeps just looking at it!
The concept of that type of ghost is pretty familiar in Asia (they are called 'Guijin' here in Korea, there are a gazillion stories about them) but I think at the time the likes of the Japanese versions of The Grudge and The Ring were released in the west most people were pretty unfamiliar with them, making them a lot more scary
kronk wrote:/reopen thread (cautiously, and with all due respect to the great Hannibal)
The Joker, from The Dark Knight
He is the physical embodiment of Chaotic Evil.
He doesn't care about money. He doesn't want power. He isn't greedy.
He just wants to prove that your laws are wrong. Your society is weak and can be shaken to its core with little effort. Everyone is evil/selfish at heart if he puts pressure on them.
And he'll risk everyone's life, even his own, to prove it.
KingCracker wrote:Obviously, Im sitting here thinking "Now how in the HELL does FITZZ like that steamy doggie doodoo?"
Oh well, music still ya? Listened to them for a solid 2 weeks after I wrote you that last time
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Good stuff man. ...And don't worry KC, just because I question your taste when it comes to a view films doesn't mean that I wouldn't kick back and have a few beers with you...so long as I get to pick the background movie.
Hey hey hey!I have good taste in movies.....I mean...I just bought WaterWorld.............................................................yea you can pick the movie
KingCracker wrote:Hey hey hey!I have good taste in movies.....I mean...I just bought WaterWorld.............................................................yea you can pick the movie
... ...Ok. let me see if I've got this right...you think Psycho is overrated ...but you'll watch Waterworld?...don't take this the wrong way my bearded buddy...but, did you suffer from some traumatic blow to the head at some time in your life.. ..
...I kid..I kid..enjoy what you enjoy my friend...and the first round is on me...but...I'm definitely picking the movie.
"Gatchaman" or "Battle of the Planets", Joker like laugh, gender issues, spiteful, always has a freaky escape plan, willing to treat the troops as expendable, fond of the self destruct button, snappy dresser, he/she had it all.
"Zoltar" or "Berg Katse"
I dare not bring up "All your base R belong to us..."
Pacific wrote:Haha me too actually - Robin Hood was a lot of fun, and he made a good Robin Hood, despite the Californian accent and the highlighted perm
And I still clutch a handkerchief to my chest and big hearts appear in my eyes when he saves Whitney Houston
Pacific wrote:Haha me too actually - Robin Hood was a lot of fun, and he made a good Robin Hood, despite the Californian accent and the highlighted perm
And I still clutch a handkerchief to my chest and big hearts appear in my eyes when he saves Whitney Houston
ok.. wait I will just grab my coat
We are friends for life now
MrBrooks. Creepy.
Creepy - awesome! admit it. we've all wanted to pop Dane Cook in the kisser with a shovel once or twice in our life!
And when we say Blair Witch, we're forgetting they made the POS sequel, right? 1st one, great, second one, Why?
Thats exactly how I feel about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The next generation. That is NOT a TCM movie at all.....its some kind of weird..... smut film that I just didnt get
And from earlier, yea I love MrBrooks, just watched it last week for the 57th time
..Agreed, Stacey was chilling in that role..
..we clearly don't agree on when it comes to film making.
