Slarg232 wrote:Where is the Duke's Archive, anyway?
I've found the Tomb, I've found Lost Iziath, and I've found the New Londo (obviously), but I have NO idea as to where Duke's is.
Go to Anor Londo bonfire. Exit and go left to the three gold giants. Kill the giant that is by itself. Behind it is a forest path that will lead to the archives.
Slarg232 wrote:Where is the Duke's Archive, anyway?
I've found the Tomb, I've found Lost Iziath, and I've found the New Londo (obviously), but I have NO idea as to where Duke's is.
From Anor Londo Bonfire, right side goes back to the gargoyles that took you there
left side is the gate that was previously sealed, now open.
Mr Nobody wrote:I'm currently unsure what to do next; go down to the dragon covenant area, the bed of chaos or seath the scaleless.Any suggestions.
Dragon Covenant includes Hallow area? That place is frustrating if you have fear of heights xD it has a decent ring.
Then dragon area... lots of dragon scales, and a dragon tail weapon. Nothing that important unless you like dragon weapons.
Lost Izalith... good for Demon Titanite farming, I would do any sort of farming last.
Duke's Archive. I like it, quite refreshing and bright for a dark game ( ok I spent too long in catacombs xD )
Has tons of nice treasures as well! though mostly caster stuff...
Whenever i step into the Dukes Archives i start to violently foam at the mouth! I do not know why but i had THE most difficult time against Seeth. Oddly though i loved the catacombs probably since Nito was a pushover.
Tazz Azrael wrote:Whenever i step into the Dukes Archives i start to violently foam at the mouth! I do not know why but i had THE most difficult time against Seeth. Oddly though i loved the catacombs probably since Nito was a pushover.
Seeth is a confused emo dragon, sometimes it keeps throwing tentrums with his tentacles , at other times he just sloooowly sloooowly
slooowly comes to you.
Just go from one wall to the furthest wall, and shoot some cross bow in between.
If it feels like doing breath on you, sneak some melee in too.
And yay finally finished Dark Souls, without multiplayer help!
Tazz Azrael wrote:Whenever i step into the Dukes Archives i start to violently foam at the mouth! I do not know why but i had THE most difficult time against Seeth. Oddly though i loved the catacombs probably since Nito was a pushover.
Seeth is a confused emo dragon, sometimes it keeps throwing tentrums with his tentacles , at other times he just sloooowly sloooowly
slooowly comes to you.
Just go from one wall to the furthest wall, and shoot some cross bow in between.
If it feels like doing breath on you, sneak some melee in too.
And yay finally finished Dark Souls, without multiplayer help!
My consistent problem with him was whenever i got into his room with that little crystal thingy i had to smash he just unleashed his curse attack and insta gibed me. When i finally did kill him it was only because some poor schmuck got hit with his tail tantrums and i ran in 2handing my weapon.
And i just realized that i have yet to beat this game and i have had it since release....
Fafnir wrote:How does he instagib you with his curse? It builds up fairly slowly. Just run out of the crystals and you're fine.
I had very and i mean VERY low curse resist at the time, that and the occasional time of not knowing what to look for so i was right against him when he did it, that and probably a few good bouts of lag
Fafnir wrote:How does he instagib you with his curse? It builds up fairly slowly. Just run out of the crystals and you're fine.
I had very and i mean VERY low curse resist at the time, that and the occasional time of not knowing what to look for so i was right against him when he did it, that and probably a few good bouts of lag
Hmmm... when i fight large bosses, I never look at them, i do what i need to do by listening ( because large bosses are too huge for me to see anyways,
Like yay i see his 1 toe xD ) So when ever I hear seth roars, I start strafing side ways dodging his curse mist or crystal ( and most importantly his emo tantrum )
For some reason I was never cursed, or realized he even have curse.
And then i realized I have to destroy that crystal, i spent a good 10 minutes wacking his life away then I noticed it went back up wa.............
I hate it when you are running around with over 50'000 souls and then get 1 shotted by a stupid attack that the boss never does. Queelag's AOE attacks is from Satan himself.
virx67 wrote:I hate it when you are running around with over 50'000 souls and then get 1 shotted by a stupid attack that the boss never does. Queelag's AOE attacks is from Satan himself.
Im doing new game plus now, fighting bosses with only weapon + shield no armor!
for rings i use the extra souls earned. So im constantly carrying around almost 100k in souls.
And then I get 1 shotted by a normal hallow with spear -.-
i boosted my hp.... now to 6 bars xD my stats are all over the place, I was hoping NG+ wiould allow me to restat.... NOPE
Now I have like.... 20stamina 26 endurance 30 str 24 dex 20 int 20 faith
virx67 wrote:I hate it when you are running around with over 50'000 souls and then get 1 shotted by a stupid attack that the boss never does. Queelag's AOE attacks is from Satan himself.
Easily dodged; just stay toward her front. Run in, smack her a few times, run out. Even if she decides to do it, as long as you don't over fatigue yourself, you can quickly get out.
virx67 wrote:I hate it when you are running around with over 50'000 souls and then get 1 shotted by a stupid attack that the boss never does. Queelag's AOE attacks is from Satan himself.
Easily dodged; just stay toward her front. Run in, smack her a few times, run out. Even if she decides to do it, as long as you don't over fatigue yourself, you can quickly get out.
Normally, that's what I do. I was just so excited that I got to her in under 20 minutes with only leveling up once, that I stopped paying attention for a second when she was almost dead. Then she blasted me with that. But, whatever. It was only 20 minutes, so I could easily do it again. I just haven't been able to bring myself to finish the game after I kill Ornstien and Smough.
virx67 wrote:I hate it when you are running around with over 50'000 souls and then get 1 shotted by a stupid attack that the boss never does. Queelag's AOE attacks is from Satan himself.
Easily dodged; just stay toward her front. Run in, smack her a few times, run out. Even if she decides to do it, as long as you don't over fatigue yourself, you can quickly get out.
Normally, that's what I do. I was just so excited that I got to her in under 20 minutes with only leveling up once, that I stopped paying attention for a second when she was almost dead. Then she blasted me with that. But, whatever. It was only 20 minutes, so I could easily do it again. I just haven't been able to bring myself to finish the game after I kill Ornstien and Smough.
Oh, I hate it when bosses do that
I honestly stopped at Fatty and Slim as well; my brother wanted to play through it, and after rolling up every character in the book to play with him.... I've just kind of lost interest at the moment. Really need to get back and try to kill him, though. Would you say that it's easier to kill Fatty, or Slim, first?
Slim first then fatty. Also summon at least one other person; soloing it is perfectly fine, but if you haven't beaten them yet, I'd suggest summoning another person (or three) and then beat them. Unless you're playing with noobs, fatty and slim will die very quickly.
Honestly though, they're a really fun fight to solo, once you get past the frustrating parts. Fighting both of them at once solo is probably the best moment in PvE. You really feel like an incredible badass the first time you're able to handle both of them by yourself.
I'd forgotten how enjoyable PVP in this game can be, though I don't get invaded that often unless I just wait around in the Forest Guardian area. After being one-shotted (with 40 Vitality) after being parried with a +15 Great Club, I've set about levelling one up myself. It's damaging, but the lack of speed will take some getting used to.
Though I use heavy armour, I'm trying to keep my equipment weight low enough to be able to run around enemies quite quickly and go for critical hits, and I think I might try to practice parries a bit more. I can't believe I only started using the Hornet Ring when I was fighting Gwyn on the second playthrough...
virx67 wrote:So I've finally found a class that I might like, the sorcerer. What do you guys think is the best class setup for a caster?
Depends, first time going through?
Well, I've gotten the Lord Vessel on other playthorughs, but haven't beaten Dark Souls, if that's what you mean. But I've played through Demon Souls a few times as well as many startups for Dark souls, so I'm no stranger to the gameplay. I don't really know what's the best for a sorcerer, as I've only really experimented with pyromancers with big swords.
virx67 wrote:So I've finally found a class that I might like, the sorcerer. What do you guys think is the best class setup for a caster?
Assuming you want a build that's suitable for PvP...
SL 125:
40vit, 19attunement, 40end, 10str, 35dex, 44int, starting as a wanderer (you can start as a sorcerer, but you have 4 less resistance at SL 125. Not a big deal though, since resistance is a completely useless stat anyway)
Use a vanilla estoc+15 (main hand), sorcerer's catalyst (offhand) and a Caduceus kite shield or tower knight shield (offhand, they're pretty much the same). Your main spell is Crystal Magic Weapon, which combined with the estoc's fast pokes, is a great way to quickly deliver a lot of damage.
Aside from crystal magic weapons, there aren't really that many good magic spells for PvP. Crystal Homing Soul Mass can do a lot of damage, but it's very easy to dodge. Great for PvE though. Crystal Soul Spear is in a similar situation. If you don't plan on using Crystal Soul Spear, you only need 40 int, the remaining 4 points should be put into dex or vit.
Alternatively, you could build to use the Moonlight Greatsword
SL 122:
50vit, 19att, 40end, 16str, 10dex, 50int, starting as a pyromancer
Moonlight Greatsword would be the primary weapon of this build, obviously. Don't be fooled by its somewhat mediocre stats. The damage is all of a single type, which makes it harder to defend against (a weapon with a split damage type has each type defended against separately and subtractively, while Moonlight is only resisted once). Additionally, most people don't gear to heavily resist magic damage specifically, since it's not something that shows up incredibly often.
Offhand weaponry should be Logan's Catalyst and a Silver Knight Shield (if the Silver Knight Shield is too heavy, or you're having trouble obtaining one, a Balder shield is good too).
If you want to be a straight up caster for PvP... that's not really going to work. Sorcery spells are just way too easy to dodge and leave you wide open for counterattack. Additionally, characters who cast great magic barrier will shut you down completely (this also stuffs the moonlight build, but not the estoc build, since it has the capacity to fight without magic damage).
Pyromancy and Miracles fair a lot better for PvP. Pyromancy requires almost no stat investment to use effectively, and works wonderfully as a supporting weapon.
Miracles are simply fantastic for PvP as well. However, both are not entirely self sufficient, and you will have to fight up close.
LunaHound wrote:Whats the difference between the classes other than the starting stats and gears?
If you're not optimizing the character for PvP, nothing. If you are, you'll likely be aiming for SL 120-125, in which case every level counts.
It's offensive stats may seem kind of low, but keep in mind that its critical hits ignore armour. Additionally, it has great range and a fantastic moveset that makes it an incredible poking and punishment tool. The weapon just gives you so many options, and the damage from Crystal Magic Weapon makes every one of them lethal.
virx67 wrote:Just beat Slim and Fatty. Also killed Knight Laurtec and am wearing his armor. Gold is sweet!
I do like the Estoc; I've upgraded to +10, but haven't gotten it to +15. Do I need another ember or something to do that?
Also, anyone got any tips on how to beat the Stray demon?
Yes, you require a Very Large Ember, or something like that, but I don't remember where you get it at, sorry :(
As for the stray demon, the easymode/cheap way of killing him is to get the Bandit's Knife (Lower Undead Burg assassins drop it, Theives start with it). Bleed rips him apart every three hits, and the Bandit's Knife has an incredibly fast attack speed. This also works for Demon Firesage, later on in Demon's Ruins. Alternatively, if no bandit knives are dropping and you don't mind a little sin, kill the Undead Merchant for Yulia. Love that katana.
As for me, I'm stuck at Sen's Fortress again; My dragon Character has 10 Vit/11 End as of now, as I am trying to get the requirements for the Non-cursed Greatsword of Astoria, which means alot of my souls have gone into levels. Need to grind more to get the Elite Knight armor up, and figure out which weapon I want to use.
Very Large Ember can be found in New Londo, after draining the water.
As for you, Slarg, you really need to consider increasing your endurance. I'm assuming you're building for the Dragon build you posted on the last page. The Greatsword of Artorias, regardless of which version, just isn't very good unless you max yourself out, and even then, it only gets worse once you realize you can't enchant it. If you want to use the dragon build, I'd recommend using one of the more mundane weapons, like an estoc, claymore, greatscythe, or zweihander.
Fafnir wrote:Very Large Ember can be found in New Londo, after draining the water.
As for you, Slarg, you really need to consider increasing your endurance. I'm assuming you're building for the Dragon build you posted on the last page. The Greatsword of Artorias, regardless of which version, just isn't very good unless you max yourself out, and even then, it only gets worse once you realize you can't enchant it. If you want to use the dragon build, I'd recommend using one of the more mundane weapons, like an estoc, claymore, greatscythe, or zweihander.
It will be increased; I'm just trying to get the weapon stats right now. Isn't the GoA regarded as the strongest weapon in the game when you max yourself out? Planning on Darkmooning it, so level won't be a problem.
Also, found the coolest PVP spot guys. Right before Ceaseless Discharge, there is a gaint bridge, with the Gate to the boss and then a Gate right next to the Egg People. This bridge has excellent lighting, and it's fairly well suited to an epic "Neither side can afford to leave" type of thing. Also, because of where it is, it's pretty hard to get invaded or invade someone whom your not trying to get at.
Anyone got any tips for Seath? I already knew about him the first time, but I proceeded to get destroyed after I went into the crystal cave. Once I beat him I will check out Anor Londo and grab that ember.
New Londo, not Anor Londo; New Londo is directly underneath Firelink Shrine, what with all the ghosts.
As for Seath, He's an absolute pushover once you get the rythm down. Just get yourself light enough to run around his outer tails and start attacking his middle tail (doesn't have to be the tip), as long as you can avoid his Tail Bashes, he's incredibly easy to take down.
Also, I don't understand why he had three tails.....
Just beat Ornestein and Fatty on NG++ solo. I have always wanted to try it YAY.
And I just want to say, before I didn't realize not all shields are 100% physical block,
that explained why I get 1 shotted by bosses (with my low vit and indurance -.- )
So I made a post on another forum as to how to make Dragon Souls or whatever the. singlemost. bestest. game. EVER. Mix it with Shadow of the Colossus. Let's face it, Dark Soul's bosses are incredibly weak; you kill Ceaseless Discharge by breaking his finger..... Imagine Demon Ruins ending with this fight, instead of Centipede demon:
Or perhaps this instead of Fatty and Slim for Anor Londo:
@Luna: NG++ and you DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SHIELDS CAN HAVE 100% DAMAGE REDUCTION!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Man, that must have been absolutely brutal. I can't even imagine doing that on even one playthrough.
Going to fight Seath now... We'll see how easy it is this time...
As for the stats thing, I'm SL 46 and I only have 12 vit and 14 endurance. It's not that bad; you just need to be good at rolling or have a really awesome shield.
virx67 wrote:@Luna: NG++ and you DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SHIELDS CAN HAVE 100% DAMAGE REDUCTION!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Man, that must have been absolutely brutal. I can't even imagine doing that on even one playthrough.
Going to fight Seath now... We'll see how easy it is this time...
As for the stats thing, I'm SL 46 and I only have 12 vit and 14 endurance. It's not that bad; you just need to be good at rolling or have a really awesome shield.
Nono I realize that after I passed the game first time and then started pumping endurance.
I also didn;t know vit boosts by TONS when you keep adding them.
But before it was still ok, I usually play glasscannons in games, so dodging and hitting hard is normal for me.
*edit, before I dont use shields to block, I use shields to parry and counter attack .
But now its so easy with block it feels like cheating xD
I bought this a while ago.. I'm currently in the Undead Cathedral, facing off against a few knights and that annoying mage who hangs around the rafters. Time hasn't been good to my muscle memory/intuition with this game, and I feel like an utter newb each time I try to re-pick it up, leading to me feeling like not playing at all. >.<
I went with a Barbarian. Currently using fairly 'standard' gear, I think.. I managed to nab the Ring in the ghetto from the Black Knight though, after many an attempt.
Anyway.. You guys are making me envious in skills/loot.
Winterkit wrote:I bought this a while ago.. I'm currently in the Undead Cathedral, facing off against a few knights and that annoying mage who hangs around the rafters. Time hasn't been good to my muscle memory/intuition with this game, and I feel like an utter newb each time I try to re-pick it up, leading to me feeling like not playing at all. >.<
I went with a Barbarian. Currently using fairly 'standard' gear, I think.. I managed to nab the Ring in the ghetto from the Black Knight though, after many an attempt.
Anyway.. You guys are making me envious in skills/loot.
Keep an eye out on you current weight.
you have certain speed at 50% and 25% weight.
Everyone has different play style, maybe you would do better do lightening fast dodging instead of
damage reducing heavy armor.
Armour is not entirely important in this game. It helps, but focus on keeping yourself mobile. If you're above 50% equip burden, you're doing it wrong.
Agreed; even though rolling isn't as good as Demon Souls, keep your burden between 25% and 50% and just practice rolling. There are times when you'll be one shotted if you block, but if you roll, it won't matter as it won't even hit you. Also, if you aren't having fun, then just create a character with each class and just play each until you find the one you have the most fun with. For instance, I was bored using a pyromancer/heavy sword build, but am having a blast using the estoc and magic buff build that Fafnir posted earlier.
PvP with that build is also pretty intense. Once you get a Hornet's Ring, you really get in business. You can easily OHKO most people with a single backstab that way, especially after casting CMW.
Once you hit level 120-125, if you get into PvP, you should be killing people with 2 backstabs.
A note on CMW: The damage from CMW is always constant, and is in no way affected by your weapon or the type of attack you're using (for example, the damage done by CMW will be the same, even if done from the backstab of a maxed out Great Club and a poke from an unaugmented Ricard's Rapier). For that reason, weapons with good, fast pokes are recommended for people that intend on abusing CMW.
Also note that this applies to every single weapon enchantment (Darkmoon Blade, Sunlight Blade, etc.).
Power Within constantly saps your health based on a percentage, with the amount of health drained increasing as the pyromancy flame is upgraded (an unaugmented pyro flame will sap an amount equal to your maximum health). Regardless of the level of the flame you're using however, the damage bonus from Power Within is always the same: any damage you directly inflict is multiplied by 1.5. For this reason, if you want to use Power Within, always use an unaugmented pyro flame.
I believe that the dragon form roar also multiplies your damage by 1.5, but I can't be sure, since I've never used it.
So I just got through Fatty and Slim, Stray Demon, Gaping dragon, lowered the water in New Londo, killed Sif, killed Priscilla, bought all the spells from Logan, and got the estoc up to +15, yet Seath still kills me; though it's mainly the tail smash that gets me. So I guess my question is, is chopping his middle tail off worth it? If I ignore it, I'm pretty sure it'll be an easy fight.
virx67 wrote:So I just got through Fatty and Slim, Stray Demon, Gaping dragon, lowered the water in New Londo, killed Sif, killed Priscilla, bought all the spells from Logan, and got the estoc up to +15, yet Seath still kills me; though it's mainly the tail smash that gets me. So I guess my question is, is chopping his middle tail off worth it? If I ignore it, I'm pretty sure it'll be an easy fight.
Yesh the tail mashing is annoying if you are a mage build ( unfortunately that drops a mage weapon! )
Supposedly if you stand by his life crystal and wait for Seath to blow itself up, you can start running ( to his tail ) as he is temporary stunned.
Though I sort of forgot which section of the tail you are supposed to chop, or Im just not chopping hard enough, I had to play catch the mouse for almost 11 minutes
till I finally got behind it and snipped it off -_-
If you dont need the tail just range attack it to death, or run in for some heavy attacks after his AOE breath
virx67 wrote:So I just got through Fatty and Slim, Stray Demon, Gaping dragon, lowered the water in New Londo, killed Sif, killed Priscilla, bought all the spells from Logan, and got the estoc up to +15, yet Seath still kills me; though it's mainly the tail smash that gets me. So I guess my question is, is chopping his middle tail off worth it? If I ignore it, I'm pretty sure it'll be an easy fight.
Unless you're planning on using the Moonlight Greatsword, then no, it's not worth it.
So I stopped trying to cut off the middle tail, and I killed him without even getting hit once. He was almost as bad as the Gaping Dragon, difficulty-wise.
Prepare to die, always upgrade your estus flasks whenever possible, learn to backstab (then riposte, but backstabbing is generally safer.) Also, go slowly while you're learning, but you also might want to be able to do sucide/speed runs too. Finally, try out each class and then pick the one you had the most fun with and look up builds that match that playstyle. You might want to also pick up the Drake sword when you first start playing.
Rabtorian wrote:I ordered this game and it should arrive tomorrow. Any tips before I get it?
Some shields can block 100% physical damage
but you need enough endurance to support the hit or else the hit will go through
the higher the shield stabality, the less endurance each block uses.
slower run speed at 25% weight
even slower at 50% and above
armor is double edged sword and penalizes you in this game.
armor protects you when you make a mistake
yet the more it protects you, the heavier it is, the slower you move = more mistake you make -_-
Honestly, I think that with how much I have played it as of now, holding B to block (or whatever) would just feel wierd.
Rabtorian wrote:I ordered this game and it should arrive tomorrow. Any tips before I get it?
1) This game doesn't tell you jack gak; make the Wiki your best friend, but BEWARE of looking up easy ways to kill bosses; almost every boss has one, and it honestly takes away a lot of the fun (The best fight in the game was probably the first non tutorial boss, the Taurus Demon; you fight him on something just wide enough to hold you and he. It took me three hours to kill him, but when I finally did.... that was the first time I have ever jumped up and down screaming "BOOO-FETHING-YA MOTHER FETHER! YOU WANT SOME MORE?!? COME GET SOME MORE!?!" Seriously; this game is frustrating as hell, but it's very well worth it if you stick with it.
2) Don't get frustrated. Do. Not. Get. Frustrated. You are going to die in the dumbest, pettiest, WORST ways imaginable, from enemies with one hit kill grapples (thankfully easy to see coming and dodge, but that first time....), to running past an enemy into another enemy, get sandviched, and die a prolonged death that you can do nothing about. You will carry around 30000 souls only to die, which causes you to lose all of them but gives you a chance to reclaim them in your next life, walk two feet out of the spawn, fall to your death on a bridge that's wide enough for three people, and lose EVERYTHING. Every Dark Souls player has had that happen, it's just something you have to laugh off.
3) Learn from your mistakes; when you die, most of the time it was your fault. You didn't see the attack coming. You didn't check behind that door. That chest was a damned Mimic (Haven't talked to a player yet that doesn't hate these bastards). If a boss keeps killing you with the same move, start trying to figure out why he uses that move, and also start figuring out how to avoid it.
4) Upgrade your equipment. Dark Souls uses a DnD style upgrade system (Broadsword +1, Broadsword +5, yada yada). A broadsword +5 at strength 14 is doing a whole lot more damage than an unupgraded Zweihander at strength 28. There are reasons people are able to run through the game at level 1; Levels help, but Equipment is much, much better.
5) Never play Human. The only time you should ever be Human is when you Kindle Bonfires (increases the number of healing potions you get per "life"), otherwise be prepared to get invaded by people who are potentially 10 levels bigger than you with +15 gear, killing you in one hit. For the first playthrough, it is much better to be Undead.
I could quite happily play this game and no others all year, so anything that could expand it sounds good to me. If there is to be a new area, I trust the developers not to just make a hasty cash-in.
It will seem like a grind fest, but eventually you'll reach a point where you can either farm souls, or you'll be good enough at the game that you'll only need get your souls from killing bosses.
I could quite happily play this game and no others all year, so anything that could expand it sounds good to me. If there is to be a new area, I trust the developers not to just make a hasty cash-in.
Those articles are ancient, and we already now know that the rumours were actually the release of a PC version of the game, which is fantastic. The developers already said they had no interest in DLC.
Looks like I stand corrected. Someone told me this morning that the "Dark Forest" DLC had been confirmed in a Eurogamer article as a whole new campaign area with two bosses and it seems in my enthusiasm I didn't bother to check the facts or dates.
Fafnir wrote:You're doing it wrong. You shouldn't be grinding unless it's for upgrade materials, really, and even then, most of those can be bought.
Hell, exp gains were doubled from back when the game was first released, so you're technically overlevelled already.
Unless, of course, your grinding for what weapon you want (Need to buy it), but that only comes up in certain builds that REQUIRE certain weapons, and even then it's not much of an issue, as most weapons are incredibly cheap.
Alright, much less of a grind now. The problem was that I kept dying on the Taurus demon, which meant I had to kill all of the undead to get there, got to the demon, reclaimed all my souls, and died. There was a stockpile of about 7k souls when I finally beat him, only to lose them all by falling off a cliff right after dying.
Rabtorian wrote:Alright, much less of a grind now. The problem was that I kept dying on the Taurus demon, which meant I had to kill all of the undead to get there, got to the demon, reclaimed all my souls, and died. There was a stockpile of about 7k souls when I finally beat him, only to lose them all by falling off a cliff right after dying.
Ah, the Taurus Demon, one of the two fights of that game that caused soooo many people to return the game. Just wait until you get to the Capra Demon, after that your Home Free*.
Also, the Taurus Demon was my favorite fight, as I didn't realize you could cheap him out. Took me 2/3 hours to beat him my first time, and it's the only boss I've ever foughten that I actually jumped up shouting "GUESS WHAT?!? GUESS! I JUST OWNED YOU! WHOSE THE MAN? I'M THE MAN!"
I was pumped full of adrenaline after that.
* These two fights are the hardest for beginners simply because of how early the are in the game and how cheap they are, relatively. Don't get disheartened.
Every single time I've fought capra demon, I've die twice. First time, I forgot about the dogs and get caught up. Second time I get killed by capra as I fight the dogs. Then I realized that what you do is run to the left, roll as much as possible, then go up on the little balcony to the right of the stairs. If you go in the corner, the dogs will come, and you kill them. Then it's just about killing the Capra. Easiest way is to 2 hand your weapon, then kill him after he drops off the balcony the same way as the taurus demon.
Dude! What if Rab didn't want to know the easy way?
Spoilered for Slargs Method of Maniacal Manslaughter:
Spoiler:
Easiest way of doing it, IMHO, is to buy a single Charcoal Resin from the Female Undead Merchant, use it on your weapon before, let all three swarm you and swing once, killing the two dogs in one hit. Naturally, you need a swinging weapon to do this. Then it's just a matter of dodging Cap's attacks.
Make sure to remember how hard he is, you eventually fight Capra's as a standard enemy.
They are easier later on (because you don't fight them in a stupid, claustrophobic area); the only hard thing about it is you have to fight two of them at a time at some parts. Oh, and a proper mage build will destroy Capra. I killed him with three Soul Spears. Way easier than melee. What's really fun is blowing through all the Taurus demons in the area below where you fought Ceaseless Discharge. Killing them in two shots makes me smile.
Does anyone have any tips for Gravelord Nito? He always kills me in two hits, not to mention the annoying swarms of skeletons that surround him.
virx67 wrote:They are easier later on (because you don't fight them in a stupid, claustrophobic area); the only hard thing about it is you have to fight two of them at a time at some parts. Oh, and a proper mage build will destroy Capra. I killed him with three Soul Spears. Way easier than melee. What's really fun is blowing through all the Taurus demons in the area below where you fought Ceaseless Discharge. Killing them in two shots makes me smile.
How is a new player supposed to get ahold of Soul Spear?
Does anyone have any tips for Gravelord Nito? He always kills me in two hits, not to mention the annoying swarms of skeletons that surround him.
Nito is a push over once you realize one thing; his own attacks hurt those skeletons that surround him. I think Nito is the only boss I didn't die at least once to in the game. Basically, just run around the center pillar until you get to one side of him, smack him two/three times, and then run around to the other side of the pillar. Soul Spears/Soul Arrows work wonders as well, as long as your not surrounded by Skeles.
Just killed Capra. My fingers are shaking, I'm grinning like a madman, and I feel indestructible. Yay for adrenaline highs!
Jolly coop on Capra has netted me about 10 humanities and 26k souls(lost half though). I love the online on this game.
Rabtorian wrote:Just killed Capra. My fingers are shaking, I'm grinning like a madman, and I feel indestructible. Yay for adrenaline highs!
Jolly coop on Capra has netted me about 10 humanities and 26k souls(lost half though). I love the online on this game.
Look it in the eyes while your sword drinks it's blood, and feel it's power become one with you. You have been baptised in your enemies blood, and you shall never forget this day.
Would I be better off going for a +10 upgrade on my zweihander now, or a +5 divine later?
Wait, what the hell was that thing in the sewer. Giant snake-dragon-worm-knife rack?
Rabtorian wrote:Would I be better off going for a +10 upgrade on my zweihander now, or a +5 divine later? Wait, what the hell was that thing in the sewer. Giant snake-dragon-worm-knife rack?
+10, because you can enchant it, or upgrade it to lightning. Also, Gaping Dragon is a pushover once you figure out it's attack patterns.
Slarg232 wrote:
virx67 wrote:They are easier later on (because you don't fight them in a stupid, claustrophobic area); the only hard thing about it is you have to fight two of them at a time at some parts. Oh, and a proper mage build will destroy Capra. I killed him with three Soul Spears. Way easier than melee. What's really fun is blowing through all the Taurus demons in the area below where you fought Ceaseless Discharge. Killing them in two shots makes me smile.
How is a new player supposed to get ahold of Soul Spear?
Does anyone have any tips for Gravelord Nito? He always kills me in two hits, not to mention the annoying swarms of skeletons that surround him.
Nito is a push over once you realize one thing; his own attacks hurt those skeletons that surround him. I think Nito is the only boss I didn't die at least once to in the game. Basically, just run around the center pillar until you get to one side of him, smack him two/three times, and then run around to the other side of the pillar. Soul Spears/Soul Arrows work wonders as well, as long as your not surrounded by Skeles.
They ring both bells, and then free logan, kill Moonlight Butterfly, then unlock Forest Coveneant area, then kill Sif and buy Soul Spear. Then kill the Capra Demon. It's quite easy.
I will keep that in mind next time I fight him; I just need to dedicate an hour or two to just killing him. After that, it's the damned Bed of Chaos. God, I hate that thing. It'd be an extremely easy fight if it wasn't such a cheese-fest. Still, this has to be one of my favorite games this gen.
Rabtorian wrote:Would I be better off going for a +10 upgrade on my zweihander now, or a +5 divine later?
Wait, what the hell was that thing in the sewer. Giant snake-dragon-worm-knife rack?
+10, because you can enchant it, or upgrade it to lightning. Also, Gaping Dragon is a pushover once you figure out it's attack patterns.
In case you haven't seen it, Rab, there is a pattern forming here
Slarg232 wrote:
virx67 wrote:They are easier later on (because you don't fight them in a stupid, claustrophobic area); the only hard thing about it is you have to fight two of them at a time at some parts. Oh, and a proper mage build will destroy Capra. I killed him with three Soul Spears. Way easier than melee. What's really fun is blowing through all the Taurus demons in the area below where you fought Ceaseless Discharge. Killing them in two shots makes me smile.
How is a new player supposed to get ahold of Soul Spear?
They ring both bells, and then free logan, kill Moonlight Butterfly, then unlock Forest Coveneant area, then kill Sif and buy Soul Spear. Then kill the Capra Demon. It's quite easy.
I will keep that in mind next time I fight him; I just need to dedicate an hour or two to just killing him. After that, it's the damned Bed of Chaos. God, I hate that thing. It'd be an extremely easy fight if it wasn't such a cheese-fest. Still, this has to be one of my favorite games this gen.
Never thought of that. If they didn't want newer players to buy Soul Spear, they shouldn't have made it so easy to find
BoC was probably the worst fight in the game, honestly; there was literally nothing to it, and I don't know about anyone else, but I got no adrenaline rush or anything fighting that boss.
BoC was probably the worst fight in the game, honestly; there was literally nothing to it, and I don't know about anyone else, but I got no adrenaline rush or anything fighting that boss.
I agree. The only part that annoys me is that I killed one of the stupid circles, but can't get to the other because of the stupid swipes and the falling floor. I am not a fan of these event driven fights; Ceaseless Discharge was also stupid (easy, but so very stupid.)
Bed of Chaos is easily the worst fight of the game, and Lost Izalith is easily the worst part of the entire game.
As for Bed of Chaos itself, just quit/reload after you break one of the circles, and you'll restart outside the boss room. It's the easiest way to do it. It's not exactly fair, but considering how bad BoC is...
I had no issues with the whole Lost Izalith area. I find it quite easy; just ignore the big stompy things, and you're golden. Once I activated the elevator, it was a breeze. I haven't explored much in that area though, I fell down a pit and got eaten by giant grinder things. As for BoC, I already destroyed one of the circles; easiest thing ever. It's the second circle that sucks. Then I just have to run down the roots and kill it's heart.
Yeah, Chicken Legs were really the only thing scary in that level unless you fell down into the open maw of one of those tentacle monsters. I think the only two things of note in Izalith was the Ember you got in the Sewers and the infinite Demon Titanite farm.
You can tell that From didn't really put much effort into Lost Izalith, and likely rushed the hell out of it for release because not only are there only 3 enemies in the entire area, one of them is just the legs of a zombie dragon standing upright, and there is no decent loot to pick up in the entire area.
Really though, whoever thought walking on lava would be a good idea should be fired.
Aye, Izilath is poor, though not as much as Valley of the Drakes. It's seriously the only optional area in the game, and there is absolutely nothing in it. Ash lake is needed to join a covenant, and while VotD is the easiest place to get Dragon Scales, you can get them easily by PVPing/playing through enough times. There isn't even a sub boss in the Valley, and the only thing you can find in there is just good right off the bat (Arstoria's Straightsword).
Fafnir wrote:You can tell that From didn't really put much effort into Lost Izalith, and likely rushed the hell out of it for release because not only are there only 3 enemies in the entire area, one of them is just the legs of a zombie dragon standing upright, and there is no decent loot to pick up in the entire area.
Really though, whoever thought walking on lava would be a good idea should be fired.
Oh, I thought you meant the hardest area in the game. Now I understand, and I totally agree with you. It's a lame little area. I think the only 'special' boss fight that was good was the Dragon God in Demon Souls. Ceaseless Discharge is a joke, and BoC was poorly done.
Valley of the Drakes is stupid; not to mention how lame the zombie dragon is. Though my favorite area in the game so far has to be the Painted World of Aramais. It just fits the bleak atmosphere perfectly.
See, I think every area other than Valley the entire Demon Ruin's arc were well done; Anor Londo was very well done as a nice contrast to almost everything else in the game, and the rest of it was pleasently dark.
Do what LunaHound suggested. Or, you could just use the Firelink Shrine checkpoint instead of the one in Blighttown. That's what I did; plus you get the 10 estus flasks also. Though if you go the long way, only fight one enemy at a time. It reduces the lag somewhat.
Go from the other side, down fire link shrine take the elevator down.
Out of elevator, jump down, move right and go in a small tower, take steps up.
You'll be in valley of drakes, go across first bridge , head right.
That is the exit of blight town, it only takes 5 minutes to get to the save point before the boss this route.
How do I take the elevator down, it only goes up to undead parish for me. The entry I have found is the one in the Depths, that you can open after beating the gaping dragon.
Go from the other side, down fire link shrine take the elevator down.
Out of elevator, jump down, move right and go in a small tower, take steps up.
You'll be in valley of drakes, go across first bridge , head right.
That is the exit of blight town, it only takes 5 minutes to get to the save point before the boss this route.
How do I take the elevator down, it only goes up to undead parish for me. The entry I have found is the one in the Depths, that you can open after beating the gaping dragon.
By fire link shrine's fire there is a guy in shinny armor sitting there whinning.
Next to him is a flight of stair that spirals down.
You'll see the mute fire keeper there, 10 steps away is the spiral stairs that keeps going down.
keep going down till you see a circular elevator, go down till its dark as night. get off elevator, move right till you see a crumbled tower,
go up the stairs till you see sunlight which is valley of dragons
Go from the other side, down fire link shrine take the elevator down.
Out of elevator, jump down, move right and go in a small tower, take steps up.
You'll be in valley of drakes, go across first bridge , head right.
That is the exit of blight town, it only takes 5 minutes to get to the save point before the boss this route.
How do I take the elevator down, it only goes up to undead parish for me. The entry I have found is the one in the Depths, that you can open after beating the gaping dragon.
By fire link shrine's fire there is a guy in shinny armor sitting there whinning.
Next to him is a flight of stair that spirals down.
You'll see the mute fire keeper there, 10 steps away is the spiral stairs that keeps going down.
keep going down till you see a circular elevator, go down till its dark as night. get off elevator, move right till you see a crumbled tower,
go up the stairs till you see sunlight which is valley of dragons
Before you go down there, you might want to go back to the area where you start the game in. You'll find a ring that allow you to traverse muddy places without slowing to a crawl.
and perhaps some herbs that depoison
and detoxifies.
depends if you want to grab some extra loots or not.
What sort of level am I meant to be about now? I'm about 39, and am not very effective. Either I need to improve my skills, or have bad equipment, or I'm too low a level.
The only thing that really sticks out about your equipment is your fang boar helm; it's far too heavy for the stats it gives. Also, what levels are they?
You could use a bit more Vit and End, but other than that, there really isn't anything wrong with your stats, either.
Stop raising dex, and never raise resistance. Resistance is a terrible stat that does absolutely nothing.
You need more endurance to give you the weight allowance to use the heavy strength weapons effectively. Additionally, you should stop putting points into faith for now. Miracles are incredibly powerful, but they're pretty much useless until late game where you can get some of the more useful ones (and even then, they're not always the best choices for PvE, although they're excellent for PvP).
As for your equipment, you may want to consider upgrading your Zweihander to +10 (at which point you have no reason to use any of your other current weapons), or finding a new strength weapon (large club comes to mind). Zweihander's a good starting weapon, but its mixed scaling makes it difficult to effectively build around.
You can find a great club in the swamp, in a corner guarded by a group of boulder throwing fatties. Large club is dropped by fatties. Both weapons have their uses, with the great club having more raw power, while the large club has a better one-handed R2 attack.
As for your armour, you may want to consider the Elite Knight set. It's been a while since I've played, but I do believe they've buffed it back to its awesome stats. You can find it in the forest where you fight the moonlight butterfly, it's really easy to find. Just run past the golems and grab it (the golems aren't worth fighting, they give piss poor souls for the work needed to kill them).
Since you are going for a strength/faith build, one weapon you may want to consider is Grant. Requires 34 strength to wield with two hands (50 for one handed, although you'll likely be 2 handing it at all times anyway), and 30 faith. It's 2-handed R2 is Wrath of God, which makes it extremely potent to any faith character.
Ideally, with what you have now, if you want to go for a Grant build, your final build should look like this:
You can achieve this build by SL 125 with either a bandit, cleric, warrior, hunter, or knight. However, considering that you may have invested a point into resistance, it may not be possible.
Keep in mind the 15 dex is only there because you already have it listed.
Alternatively, if you still want to use brand, but don't want to waste stat points and feel okay using it exclusively with two hands (just have to get good at switching between your shield), you could try this:
34 strength lets you wield Grant with two hands, and although you'd think it would be a decrease in power from the above build, it's actually an insignificant loss, since diminishing returns mean that you'll still do about as much damage anyway. This means you have 16 additional stat points to spread, which can then be placed into health for more survivability, or faith for more damage. However you place those is up to you, just don't put faith above 40 and don't put vit above 50. Keep in mind that your extra stat points will depend entirely on what class you started with, assuming you're aiming for SL 125.
As far as miracles are concerned, Wrath of God, Heal, and Force are all good choices. However, if you're using Grant, you already have WoG built into the weapon, which means you only need 2 attunement slots (which is a godsend, since you want those stat points for other things). Greater magic shield can be useful against casters and enchanters, so it's also an option worth considering.
Just beat Nito. Was a lame fight. Just went around dying for a while, then I equipped the Crystal catalyst and he died in ten seconds. Was sorely disappointed.
Anyone got any tips for beating the second sphere on BoC? I always get 1 shotted.
Just finished recording some footage (around 3 hours!) of Dark Souls for one of my classes, and boy, I've had 2 major revelations:
1. I'm rusty as hell. Not playing in months will do that to you. Can't backstab for crap, and can't dodge for crap. It doesn't help that I don't like using the Darkwood Grain Ring either. Or that my weapon of choice is the Large Club (one of the worst risk/reward combinations in the game). Still managed to keep my win/loss ratio at a bit over 50% for the first day of recording, but started to fall apart on the second.
2. Namely because of the freaking griefers. Holy crap. Nothing ruins kiln PvP like a good old fashioned gangbang. One invasion that I did (which sadly, I didn't manage to record) ended up with two people camping my spawn point with BKGAs and hitting me back and forth as soon as I spawned. I literally spent two hours against more random gang bangs than anything else. Ouch. Wasn't until later in the day that the 12 year olds stopped playing and I got some decent fight footage.
And as unforgiving as the Large Club is (especially mine, which is only +14 because those fething darkwraiths won't drop that fething last slab), I really should just stick to that. I can't use my Estoc to any level of competence anymore, and my Pyro/Faith character is just a sack of flesh as it is right now.
Additionally, as good as the BKGA is, I can't help but spam R1 over and over until I get parried.
Great Club just feels right and makes me play smarter. Also, the hornet ring backstab with the thing is fantastically brutal.
Fafnir wrote:2. Namely because of the freaking griefers. Holy crap. Nothing ruins kiln PvP like a good old fashioned gangbang. One invasion that I did (which sadly, I didn't manage to record) ended up with two people camping my spawn point with BKGAs and hitting me back and forth as soon as I spawned. I literally spent two hours against more random gang bangs than anything else. Ouch. Wasn't until later in the day that the 12 year olds stopped playing and I got some decent fight footage.
And as unforgiving as the Large Club is (especially mine, which is only +14 because those fething darkwraiths won't drop that fething last slab), I really should just stick to that. I can't use my Estoc to any level of competence anymore, and my Pyro/Faith character is just a sack of flesh as it is right now.
Additionally, as good as the BKGA is, I can't help but spam R1 over and over until I get parried.
Great Club just feels right and makes me play smarter. Also, the hornet ring backstab with the thing is fantastically brutal.
I know how you feel against those gangbangers. The only time I won one of those in invasion is when I was facing one dude and two phantoms and the kiln. They'd gotten a little cocky gangbanging people, so I killed all three of them. Only happened once though. The real duels are immensely fun, and I actually had a 21 kill streak at the kiln the other day.
As for your club, Dark Wraiths do not drop the titanite slab. You have to go back to the asylum and face the stray demon.
Spoiler:
You know where you fight the very first demon before escaping the asylum? Go back there and you'll fall through the floor in front of a demon. kill him and reap the rewards.
No, they drop the slab. It's just very rare. You can get one through the stray demon, one through the Onionbro sidequest (which I screwed up, onionbro died), and an unlimited amount drop from Darkwraiths, although as I mentioned, quite rare.
I can get them to drop, just not on the right character. I already used both on my strength character, one on a Zweihander (waste considering the scaling), and one on a Demon's Great Axe (waste considering how it has no useful attacks). It's really annoying how many matches I've lost because the enemy survived by 15 HP, which the fully upgraded club would have taken right off.
When playing with the large club, I like to let my opponents come to me. Wait until they get ready to attack, and use the club's one-handed R2. The massive range makes it difficult to dodge once the enemy commits to an attack, and the damage output means you can reliably trade hits and still outdamage people. Additionally, the attack is safer than it looks, since it covers such a wide range, your opponents cannot safely approach from the front.
The downside however, is that it's insanely punishable on whiff. The vast majority of my deaths end up being backstabs from a whiffed club attack.
Also, I hate people who use estus or humanity in duels. Almost as bad as gangbangers.
MrDwhitey wrote:Which is something I just find bizarre (that people would consider it bad form).
It's impossible for black phantoms to use estus. In a fair duel, the hosting player shouldn't be using it. Furthermore, a duel should be about skill, not who farmed the most humanity.
Using the miracle Heal or Great Heal requires setting aside spell slots and investing in Faith. Additionally, it's not nearly as safe.
Slarg232 wrote:You know what I find bizarre?
"I can build a guy to run circles around you, that's TOTALLY cool.
But don't you dare use the spell that makes it where I can't run!"
As much as I hate Tranquil Walk of Peace, it's not as bad as it used to be. Maybe it's because I have a playstyle that doesn't involve moving around a lot (large club involves baiting enemy attacks and hitting back harder than they hit you). The problem with TWoP is that it makes it so you can't even dodge. For my large club build, that's just my cue to start swinging, but others are just totally shafted. I would like TWoP a lot more if they made it so it slowed both players. It wouldn't make TWoP so blatantly overpowered, and using it would force a completely different style of play. People would actually have to think about using it, and it wouldn't be something you could include on just any build and expect to succeed.
Really though, as it is, Dark Wood Grain Ring is my least favourite piece of equipment in the game. It's so good that pretty much every build has to take it. You'll never have a reason not to use it. It can get you out of hitstun, it provides incredible maneuverability, and it negates any of the advantages of going under 25% of your weight limit. Getting rid of DWGR and TWoP would make Dark Souls a better game, honestly.
Beat Bed of Chaos finally. Lamest fight in the entire game. Also beat Four Kings in two tries. Wasn't too hard. They die like flies to magic. Also started doing some PVP. What's the fastest way to get to SL 125?
Oh, and the PC port is cool. There is a lot of grief going around that they are using Windows Live games or something like that, though.
I beat it last week. I figured out that the fastest way to get new souls is just to beat the bosses.... It goes relatively fast. I'm already past SL 100, so I am only a few levels away. Does anyone have any tips for 4 Kings on NG+? They take way longer to kill than before.
virx67 wrote:I beat it last week. I figured out that the fastest way to get new souls is just to beat the bosses.... It goes relatively fast. I'm already past SL 100, so I am only a few levels away. Does anyone have any tips for 4 Kings on NG+? They take way longer to kill than before.
Get help, a lot of help. I defeated 4 kings in NG+ with two people helping me. If you can only find one, don't forget to summon witch beatrice. She won't do much but is a good distraction.
virx67 wrote:I beat it last week. I figured out that the fastest way to get new souls is just to beat the bosses.... It goes relatively fast. I'm already past SL 100, so I am only a few levels away. Does anyone have any tips for 4 Kings on NG+? They take way longer to kill than before.
Iron Flesh + Havel Set + Havel Shield + Havel Ring
Dark Knight weapon 2 handed.
Block or roll till toe to toe, apply iron flesh, wack till dead.
Heal + search for next king, rinse and repeat.
Straff diagonally when giant purple cleaving laser is thrown at you, thats the only thing that hits me ( i cant tell if its close or far lol, thats why i straff to see )
Physique whoring the 4 Kings is probably the easiest way to do it. Dodging them is possible, but you need to be very quick in order to ensure that you kill them fast enough not to be overwhelmed by all four, because you can't really dodge more than one at a time if they use the right attacks.
God, I hate Blight Town.... The only way I could stand it was to just take the shortcut and book it to Quelaag. I'm considering getting the PC version, but only after they release some mods for it.
Have any of you guys tried making a Poison/Toxic Vit God? It seems kinda awesome Toxicing the opponent, poisoning them after that, and then just having the health/armor to tank their hits as they die....
Any of you guys level 20 and got good gear and stuffs?
There is a level 20 Grave Lord Rally going down on the fourth, where they want all SORTS of Level 20 PVP, Dark Wraiths, Grave Lords, Dark Moons, all that jazz. I'm trying to make a Level 20 Dark Wraith, but am getting the gak kicked out of me by the 4K, and need some help :(
Slarg232 wrote:Any of you guys level 20 and got good gear and stuffs?
There is a level 20 Grave Lord Rally going down on the fourth, where they want all SORTS of Level 20 PVP, Dark Wraiths, Grave Lords, Dark Moons, all that jazz. I'm trying to make a Level 20 Dark Wraith, but am getting the gak kicked out of me by the 4K, and need some help :(
Actually getting to the 4 Kings shouldn't be much trouble at level 20, so long as you have a basic understanding of what to do. As for actually fighting the Kings, this may help:
Just remember the most important rule: Don't Get Hit.
I just must not be getting on top of them fast enough, as every time I try to fight tghem turns out VERY different than the dodge left, dodge right all the videos seem to show....
Even tried the Stone Armor + Iron Flesh trick, got totalled first dude.
Get a pyro glove and just level it up. Chug some humanity and throw chaos fireballs at them. Or any of the crystal homing masses/arrows work wonders. Magic rapes these guys hard (on your first playthrough, at least.) I think I got to them on my level 15 character, but then I deleted him. The only way to really kill them is to make sure you are only fighting one or two at a time; anymore and it just gets too annoying to dodge everything.
Oh, for any of you guys who want to join us in Jolly Dark Side Co-operation, here is the rules:
Join us in Bringing Pure Black World Tendency to Dark Souls. It can be done! But we need many soldiers
Note: The absolute quickest way to join the gravelord covenant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz5Ll7-rwN0
We are moving on to the Undead Parish. The main area will be near Gargoyles. Where co opters usually put their WSSs.
Requirements:
SL 20
No weapon or armor that is past +5 can be used.
No named/special weapons.
Have a high leveled weapon in case of Greifers, but do NOT use it on the other people participating.
Only Rotten Pine Resin is allowed.
The event is planned to last for 5 hours. However, play as much or as little as you want! All are welcomed.
Anyone in need of Eyes of Death please contact me or other participants and ask if they can donate eyes.
You may also kill Capra and open up the depths for farming.
To make it easier for players in Asia/Australia we have added another session.
The First meeting Starts promptly on Saturday August 4th 12 am CST (Midnight) --> Corresponding UTC (GMT) Saturday, August 4, 2012 at 05:00:00
The Second meeting Starts promptly on Saturday August 4th 1 pm CST --> Corresponding UTC (GMT) Saturday, August 4, 2012 at 18:00:00
Holy crap, the lore in this game goes a whole hell of a lot farther than I originally thought. If you guys want all the details, go look up EpicNameBro's Lore Series on Youtube (Language Warning).
But to summerize a little bit of it:
Spoiler:
-Darkroot Gardens was Oolacile, which was attacked and destroyed by Seath, whom imprisoned Dusk inside a golem for further expirementation.
-Kingseeker Frampt and Darkstalker Kaathe are on the same team, and they are working both sides of the equation since the war against dragons. They convinced Seath to betray his -own, causing the Lords to win the War. They are the Abyss Beasts that caused Atorias to betray Gwyn and become the Abysswalker.
-Neither ending is "good". Dark Lord means that you dance to the tune of the Primordial Serpents, and the other means Gwyn pulls your strings.
-Havel was a good friend of Gwyn, whom betrayed Havel and locked him in the tower "for his own good"
-Griggs was sent to spy on Logan.
Well, that's all pretty cool, except it's not all correct.
That's not Havel in the tower. That's just one of his soldiers. They all wore the same armour and weapons. The soldier in particular went hollow, so they put him in the tower. Havel himself is probably dead.
Fafnir wrote:Well, that's all pretty cool, except it's not all correct.
That's not Havel in the tower. That's just one of his soldiers. They all wore the same armour and weapons. The soldier in particular went hollow, so they put him in the tower. Havel himself is probably dead.
That is debatable, honestly; Who is his good friend that locked him in there (Seen on the Watchtower Key)? He was also the only one who had that sheild, as per the video that has the item description (Don't have it myself right now).
And Havel possibly went Undead and turned Hollow; the Key to the Depths hints that people aren't just born Undead.
Hey, does anyone have the Holy Great Sword of Artorias that I can get from them? I traded my Soul for some major help early on, and was just wondering if I could get it from one of you guys.
Slarg232 wrote:Hey, does anyone have the Holy Great Sword of Artorias that I can get from them? I traded my Soul for some major help early on, and was just wondering if I could get it from one of you guys.
You have to tell us your SL first so we can see :3
Slarg232 wrote:Hey, does anyone have the Holy Great Sword of Artorias that I can get from them? I traded my Soul for some major help early on, and was just wondering if I could get it from one of you guys.
You have to tell us your SL first so we can see :3
SL 59, currently in Ariamis.
Other than a Crapton of humanity, All I really have worth trading is the Channelers Trident.
"Connecting with friends: Connecting with friends is difficult in Demon's Souls as you cannot invite someone from your friends list. They have to put their soul sign down and hope not to get summoned by anyone else before you can reach them. In Dark Souls it is much more difficult than in the previous game. The servers on dark souls are peer to peer, and thus, you can play with anyone, anywhere. The downside of this, however, is that it is extremely difficult for people, no matter how close they live to each other, to play with the same people over and over again. Understand that this is not particularly a bad thing, and was actually intentional to make the playthroughs individually interesting every single time. To make an attempt to join another player, one of you must be alive, and the other dead. The dead must place his soul sign in a specific place, usually a low traffic, hidden area, and assuming the sign actually shows up, must be the first person to do the summon. Considering the game is peer to peer, the chance you'll be the only ones doing this are drastically slim.(In some cases like for me its very simple Just fall within the level range of your friend I've even play in pvp ith my buddy that was level 101 and i was 86)"
I guess on the PC you'll be able to invite them, whereas you can not on the consoles. Not that I'm complaining, as I felt that the multiplayer was great once they fixed it.
Epic Name Bro does a good job with deciphering the lore, even if there are things I disagree with him on. I do agree with most of what he puts a connection on in this (Warning, NSFW: Language)
I never played Demon's Souls, but the bosses were a whole heck of a lot better in it (Thanks to Youtube) than Dark Souls.
So I decided enough with my Artorias Build, and am instead working on a STR/FTH Fatty. I'm liking him so far, being mostly Regen based. Also, going to have to join the Princess Guard, which may make me the only member of that covenent.
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LunaHound wrote:The most Grimdark Fantasy game ever, how is dakka not drooling over Dark SOul ?
the lore explained
See, there are things I disagree with him on.
1) Gaping Dragon is a mutant, not a de-evolved dragon over a long time with no food.
2) Havel's Rebellion wasn't necessarily a failure. The gods are missing, but we don't know why they are missing. Could be Havel and company decided to kill a fair few of them.
Slarg232 wrote:I never played Demon's Souls, but the bosses were a whole heck of a lot better in it (Thanks to Youtube) than Dark Souls.
Eh... varies from boss to boss. Flamelurker, Penetrator, and False King Allant are great. Dragon God is far better than Bed of Chaos. Other than that, it's not quite as distant as you make it seem. Stormlord is really cool the first time around, but easy and lame every time after that, Adjudicator is boring as hell, and with the exception of GARL melon-fething VINLAND, the bosses in the Valley aren't anything special.
So I decided enough with my Artorias Build, and am instead working on a STR/FTH Fatty. I'm liking him so far, being mostly Regen based. Also, going to have to join the Princess Guard, which may make me the only member of that covenent.
Regen builds work pretty well in Demon's Souls, but not in Dark Souls. That said, some of the miracles are pretty badass. Namely Wrath of God. If you really want to go Str/Fai, try building around Gram. It's a solid weapon, especially since you can cast WoG without having to switch to a talisman.
1) Gaping Dragon is a mutant, not a de-evolved dragon over a long time with no food.
Actually, I believe the developers confirmed that Gaping Dragon was a normal dragon who went insane for one reason or another. Possibly from being locked down there for so long.
Slarg232 wrote:I never played Demon's Souls, but the bosses were a whole heck of a lot better in it (Thanks to Youtube) than Dark Souls.
Eh... varies from boss to boss. Flamelurker, Penetrator, and False King Allant are great. Dragon God is far better than Bed of Chaos. Other than that, it's not quite as distant as you make it seem. Stormlord is really cool the first time around, but easy and lame every time after that, Adjudicator is boring as hell, and with the exception of GARL melon-fething VINLAND, the bosses in the Valley aren't anything special.
So I decided enough with my Artorias Build, and am instead working on a STR/FTH Fatty. I'm liking him so far, being mostly Regen based. Also, going to have to join the Princess Guard, which may make me the only member of that covenent.
Regen builds work pretty well in Demon's Souls, but not in Dark Souls. That said, some of the miracles are pretty badass. Namely Wrath of God. If you really want to go Str/Fai, try building around Gram. It's a solid weapon, especially since you can cast WoG without having to switch to a talisman.
1) Gaping Dragon is a mutant, not a de-evolved dragon over a long time with no food.
Actually, I believe the developers confirmed that Gaping Dragon was a normal dragon who went insane for one reason or another. Possibly from being locked down there for so long.
Really? Well shoot..... I don't think I can ever think of the dragons as "Scary" again.....
And I haven't had any problems with My regen build so far. The Butcher Knife and Replenishment, along with Ring of the Evil Eye have given me almost all of the regen I need, and I still have to get Sanctus. Though this is on NG.
Slarg232 wrote:I never played Demon's Souls, but the bosses were a whole heck of a lot better in it (Thanks to Youtube) than Dark Souls.
Eh... varies from boss to boss. Flamelurker, Penetrator, and False King Allant are great. Dragon God is far better than Bed of Chaos. Other than that, it's not quite as distant as you make it seem. Stormlord is really cool the first time around, but easy and lame every time after that, Adjudicator is boring as hell, and with the exception of GARL melon-fething VINLAND, the bosses in the Valley aren't anything special.
Flamelurker was fun, Old Hero was fun, Penetrator was kinda easy, Tower Knight was sick, DG was waaaaaaaaaaaay better than BoC, and a few others were pretty cool. A lot of them were pushovers, though. Garl Vinland was super easy for me, just equip a giant twohander and smash that poor fool.
Slarg232 wrote:I never played Demon's Souls, but the bosses were a whole heck of a lot better in it (Thanks to Youtube) than Dark Souls.
Eh... varies from boss to boss. Flamelurker, Penetrator, and False King Allant are great. Dragon God is far better than Bed of Chaos. Other than that, it's not quite as distant as you make it seem. Stormlord is really cool the first time around, but easy and lame every time after that, Adjudicator is boring as hell, and with the exception of GARL melon-fething VINLAND, the bosses in the Valley aren't anything special.
Flamelurker was fun, Old Hero was fun, Penetrator was kinda easy, Tower Knight was sick, DG was waaaaaaaaaaaay better than BoC, and a few others were pretty cool. A lot of them were pushovers, though. Garl Vinland was super easy for me, just equip a giant twohander and smash that poor fool.
I doubt any boss would be hard after the 20th time you've killed him
But look at the variety. You had Stormlord for gimmicky, Dragon God for "Oh crap there is no way I'm going to fight this thing one on one", Flamelurker for shear powerhouse (Exploding fists for the win). You even had a boss where you had to sit in the light and hope to the Old One that it didn't spot you. With Dark Souls, all we have is run forward and pound on them. Even Ceaseless Discharge, the biggest boss in the game, you break his finger to kill him. And that's the "Legit" way.....
My Regen build isn't work out, as you said it wouldn't. Go ahead and sing the "I was Right Song". So I was trying to figure out how to make a Pyromancer build, and completely forgot about Elemental Weapons XD
Pyromancy doesn't really need a build. Anyone with an extra weapon slot and a spell slot or two can use it effectively.
Of course, you could just vit gouge, but that's boring.
And the thing about regen builds in Demon's Souls was that you could stack it to be ridiculously high. Blessed weapons, combined with the adjudicator shield and regeneration ring made it so your health regened really quickly. You could outlast someone and watch them munch on all their grass pretty easily. It's much slower in Dark Souls, and everything tends to hit quite a bit harder, so not only are the effects of regen diminished, but it has to do a lot more work. It's just not very good anymore.
Fafnir wrote:Pyromancy doesn't really need a build. Anyone with an extra weapon slot and a spell slot or two can use it effectively.
Of course, you could just vit gouge, but that's boring.
I'm trying to be more of a Pyromancer from the Great Swamp. Probably going to use the starter armor, thinking of the Large Club. Who knows, there is supposed to be some sort of Fire Sheild Pyromancy in the DLC where it burns everyone around you, so there might be a few more other than that.
Fafnir wrote:Large club is my favourite weapon. It may not be the most user-friendly thing in the world, but boy is it fun.
The one-handed R2 attack is amazing, and quite deceptive. The 2 handed moveset is lacking though.
Got my STR to 26, but they won't drop it :(
What system are you guys on? It might be fun to get three of us together and run through the game together. We would probably have to cap ourselves at SL 20 or such to keep it challenging, though.
Slarg232 wrote:I don't even want to know where all the buttons are going to go.
Controller, obviously. I use a PS3 controller with my PC all the time. I could see it working decently with KB&M too, but controller would obviously be the preferred tool.
The quality of the port rests on the technical aspects. Why they're locking the game at an incredibly low resolution is beyond me. We're not getting basic options that have been the standard since 1993. It's beyond lazy, really.
No, Ninja Blade was the first game From has put on the PC.
And the "never planned to do it in the first place" argument is bunk as well. From never intended to release Demon's Souls internationally either, and look how good that was.
Fafnir wrote:No, Ninja Blade was the first game From has put on the PC.
And the "never planned to do it in the first place" argument is bunk as well. From never intended to release Demon's Souls internationally either, and look how good that was.
How big is From, though? Could've been totally different teams. I don't know.
Also, there is a big difference between supporting different languages and completely reconfiguring something for a different platform.
The thing is, From may not be a big developer, but Bandai Namco is. And it was Bandai Namco that authorized the port in the first place.
Of course, this isn't entirely surprising. Bamco has a history of letting down both their developers and consumers. Hell, look at from. The support for Dark Souls' patches was pretty abysmal, and don't even get me started on Armored Core 5.
As much of a hard core Armored Core fan that I am, Bamco killed AC5 in the west, and maybe the entire series.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and just because I feel it applies to the topic at hand, here's a paper I wrote on Dark Souls and what I believe to be its most important element: Atmosphere.
That was rather well written, yes. If I would have added anything to it, I would have noted that most of the time, the player is scraping by the skin of their teeth.
Why, just in my Fatty and Slim fight, I got down to my last fireball, barely had a sliver of health left, and managed to kill Super Slim as he was about to jump in the air (to do his Lightning AoE butt bounce). I was too close to roll out of the way, had too low health to block it, and my Claymore was +2 Lightning, so if that Fireball hadn't have landed.....
It's funny how it only took 23 minutes after release for a single PC gamer to fix this, and yet the guys porting the actual game couldn't figure it out at all.
I'm installing the game right now, can't wait to jump on in glorious HD.
Just wait until you get to the Capra Demon, after that your Home Free*.
