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Post by: BobTheChainsaw
d-usa wrote:BobTheChainsaw wrote:feth, I wanted Black Templars. I even bought a bunch of BT stuff in anticipation. Oh well, guess I'll stick with the 4th edition 'dex...
Did you actually read the last page or two?
Rumor roundup is this:
BT: new dex, but not in starter set.
DA: in starter box, but no new dex.
Also, you need to watch your language (the filter catches the curse word, but it is visible when you are being quoted).
Oh wait, what? I thought the rumor was that DA were getting the next codex, then CSM, then Tau, and THEN (in like, late 2013) the BT would get a new codex. Hold on, let me check.
EDIT: You're totally right. My bad. Well, that's a relief. Despite my nerdrage, I do hope the DA get a new codex eventually, though! But with BT and DA getting potential updates, that might make Codex: Space Marines a lot less popular.
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Post by: d-usa
Milisim wrote:Why dont they just put the damn lame Marine codex in the damn BRB.... That way we can at lerast start the ball rolling on armies that actually NEED a new codex.... IE: Most armies OTHER than a space marine Sub chapter etc....
One thing to keep in mind is that based on the actual rules for 6th Edition, the list of what Codices need updates may change dramatically. The rules leak may just be an early test version of the rules and see lots of changes, but those rules would have made the current BT Codex very powerful and make the current Tyranid Codex very strong. So Dark Angels and other codices may be very viable under the new ruleset and not need an update that quickly. Just something to think about.
Also, even though it didn't get past the filter. Do not attempt to get around a swear filter or try to disguise an insult to get past any filters. Also please refrain from using "gay" as an insult. Do point in violating Rule 1 of the TOS and be hateful towards an entire population just because you hate imaginary sci-fi soldiers. just call it stupid, or any other term that is not tied to a particular population.
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Post by: spyguyyoda
Technically "lame" is a bash on the disabled.
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Post by: d-usa
Maybe we should just change it to "Space Marines, I don't like them but that is just my opinion and I will respect your opinion about them even if they are different. Also cookies for everyone!"
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Post by: Shredsmore
d-usa wrote:Maybe we should just change it to "Space Marines, I don't like them but that is just my opinion and I will respect your opinion about them even if they are different. Also cookies for everyone!"
This. Total win.
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Post by: spyguyyoda
Shredsmore wrote:d-usa wrote:Maybe we should just change it to "Space Marines, I don't like them but that is just my opinion and I will respect your opinion about them even if they are different. Also cookies for everyone!"
This. Total win.
Agreed. Now can we all just get along?
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Post by: d-usa
spyguyyoda wrote:Shredsmore wrote:d-usa wrote:Maybe we should just change it to "Space Marines, I don't like them but that is just my opinion and I will respect your opinion about them even if they are different. Also cookies for everyone!"
This. Total win.
Agreed. Now can we all just get along?
Only if the cookies are oreos dipped in milk. All other cookies are stupid...
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Post by: CuddlySquig
No Black Templars?  Here's the keys to my cryogenic stasis pod. Unfreeze me when a new Templars codex is confirmed.
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Post by: Experiment 626
d-usa wrote:spyguyyoda wrote:Shredsmore wrote:d-usa wrote:Maybe we should just change it to "Space Marines, I don't like them but that is just my opinion and I will respect your opinion about them even if they are different. Also cookies for everyone!"
This. Total win.
Agreed. Now can we all just get along?
Only if the cookies are oreos dipped in milk. All other cookies are stupid...
My opinion = oreos dippen in milk are stupid...
Give me those delicious-death chocolate maple cream cookies! 
(In Canada, maple makes everything taste better!)
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Post by: Alastair78
BTW I'd also like to say the "leaked" 6th is a crock of **** an elaborate and well written crock but a crock non the less.
right on, even if it is a crock of **** its still better than 5th. And that's saying something
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Post by: d-usa
Experiment 626 wrote:d-usa wrote:spyguyyoda wrote:Shredsmore wrote:d-usa wrote:Maybe we should just change it to "Space Marines, I don't like them but that is just my opinion and I will respect your opinion about them even if they are different. Also cookies for everyone!"
This. Total win.
Agreed. Now can we all just get along?
Only if the cookies are oreos dipped in milk. All other cookies are stupid...
My opinion = oreos dippen in milk are stupid...
Give me those delicious-death chocolate maple cream cookies!
(In Canada, maple makes everything taste better!)
I respect your opinion on cookies and I may even try one.
I do love Mable, are they available in the US?
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Kroothawk wrote:Maybe this confession is also of importance 
ghost21 wrote:I made It up,I wont be posting any more
Wait.
I'm not sure why this is being glossed over. I mean, sure, ghost21's rumors have been suspect for awhile, but he's also been one of the most prolific rumor-mongers in the last few months.
So, just how much has he been making up? This makes me want to go back through the rumor round-up to see just what all he's posted about so I can cross it off the list of credibility. The #1 one, of course, being his Chaos rumors that led him into an argument with ADB. But what else has he made up?
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Post by: Brother SRM
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, that's true. I joined during 4th ed, and since then it appeared to me that it was always about the Ultras. I had no idea that Black Templars were once the posterboys.
Question is though, did these other chapter receive as much flak as the ultramarines? I mean, I have yet to see an insult for BT, CF and BA.
You didn't see that kind of insulting/whining back in the day because the Internet was nothing like it is now. Even when Templars were on the cover of the starter box, they weren't on the covers of all the kits; those were still largely Ultramarines. Ultras are generally on the box art for any standard Marine kits, and have been since 2nd edition.
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Post by: catharsix
His Master's Voice wrote:catharsix wrote:Kroothawk wrote:
Summary:
Starter Set includes Dark Angels vs. Chaos. Chaos includes CSM, some traitor guard/cultists and a CSM deadnought.
I am wary of how GW-produced traitor guard/cultists will look
Why? FW traitor guard are very good looking fellows. Relatively speaking.
Unless you're afraid of Cadiafication.
FW's traitors are pretty good, especially the Enforcers, but too Nurgle-y for my tastes. I know, EVERYONE and their fat mommas love them some Nurgle, but I've grown pretty tired of them. If we get a Nurgle force in the 6th Box Set, I won't buy it.
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Post by: d-usa
I would hope they go with chaos undivided so that people can convert and use for all gods. The current box is Ultra, but easy enough to use for all chapters.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The current box is Ultra? They've got Tactical arrows sure, and not every Chapter uses those (but most do), and, yes, using them as Wolves might be a tad difficult, but do they have sculpted Ultramarine detail?
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Post by: kronk
H.B.M.C. wrote:The current box is Ultra? They've got Tactical arrows sure, and not every Chapter uses those (but most do), and, yes, using them as Wolves might be a tad difficult, but do they have sculpted Ultramarine detail?
No, they don't. The Captain from Assault on Black Reach doesn't have an ultramarine symbol. Neither does the Dreadnought, any of the Terminators, or the tac squad.
However, the Box cover is painted as Ultramarines, but the figures are just basic/generic Space Marines.
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Post by: Lockark
I like how in the topic on warseer were ghost admitted to lieing, you get to see the 7 stages of grief. It's pretty entertaining in all honesty....
Thow I'm confused why some people still think Black Templar are next. Were not like.... ALL the black templar rumours from ghost?
XD
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Post by: bhsman
Kroothawk wrote:Maybe this confession is also of importance
ghost21 wrote:I made It up,I wont be posting any more
The best parts of that thread are the people continuing to defend him post-admission.
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Post by: Droma
Just re-read the Black Templar rumor thread on warseer, nothing reliable about them being the next dex. There are release schedules that go against what both harry and hastings say which puts major doubts on their credibility. All the rumors in that thread have been posted by either ghost who we now know is a fake or by others that don't have any track records. So far TastyTaste from BoK has a better track record and 2/3 of his latest rumor release was confirmed by hastings/harry over on warseer.
Basically take everything but 6th ed being released and chaos soon after 6th with a major pile of salt.
Edit: And you've gota give it to TastyTaste over on BoK for having the guts to flat out say his rumor is true and to call him on it if it isn't. All the current "new" rumor mongers are vague in the extreme.
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Post by: d-usa
kronk wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:The current box is Ultra? They've got Tactical arrows sure, and not every Chapter uses those (but most do), and, yes, using them as Wolves might be a tad difficult, but do they have sculpted Ultramarine detail?
No, they don't. The Captain from Assault on Black Reach doesn't have an ultramarine symbol. Neither does the Dreadnought, any of the Terminators, or the tac squad.
However, the Box cover is painted as Ultramarines, but the figures are just basic/generic Space Marines.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. The theme of the box and the cover was all about the Ultramarines, but the actual models were generic enough to be used for any Space Marine chapter. So I was hoping that they would follow that theme for the Chaos side in the new box if that is the correct rumor. The fluff of the box could be a distinct legion, but I hope they are either Chaos Undivided or generic enough models that could be used for any Chaos faction. Aka: No Khorne Berserkers and stuff like that.
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Post by: Darkseid
Death By Monkeys wrote:So, just how much has he been making up? This makes me want to go back through the rumor round-up to see just what all he's posted about so I can cross it off the list of credibility. The #1 one, of course, being his Chaos rumors that led him into an argument with ADB. But what else has he made up?
Probably everything? Of course some rumors have been so vague, they are bound to come true. "Black Templars will have fast attack options!" Well, no gak Sherlock. 
Btw. what really got him into an argument, was claiming that he worked at GW HQ, participated in staff sessions and got his rumor from there. No person who values his job would do that.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
bhsman wrote:The best parts of that thread are the people continuing to defend him post-admission.
Word. Some idiots are so desperate to believe his  (Codex: Hrud, really?) that they don't believe him when he says he made it all up.
One good thing came from all this, though; Hastings got drawn back into the rumour mill.
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Post by: Lockark
lord_blackfang wrote:bhsman wrote:The best parts of that thread are the people continuing to defend him post-admission.
Word. Some idiots are so desperate to believe his (Codex: Hrud, really?) that they don't believe him when he says he made it all up.
One good thing came from all this, though; Hastings got drawn back into the rumour mill.
Like I said. The 7 stages of grief. Give it time. Soon they will be feeling guilt.
;D
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
If these new Hasting backed rumours are accurate, I will be very happy come the summer. But some kind of traitors in the box? Wow, that would be an epic change for the Chaos Dex, someone page Justdave, they've obviously been looking at his work.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
lord_blackfang wrote:bhsman wrote:The best parts of that thread are the people continuing to defend him post-admission.
Word. Some idiots are so desperate to believe his (Codex: Hrud, really?) that they don't believe him when he says he made it all up.
One good thing came from all this, though; Hastings got drawn back into the rumour mill.
Anyone willing to do a roundup of false Ghost rumors? So that we could collectively erase them from our memory?
Good news about Hastings though...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Well, most Tau, Eldar, Black Templar, Sororitas, Fantasy Contingent supplement including Insectoid races, Hrud Codex and other things are by ghost21. He was the first to post correct rumours on Dreadfleet though, what gave him some credit at the start.
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Post by: wyomingfox
Kroothawk wrote:Maybe this confession is also of importance
ghost21 wrote:I made It up,I wont be posting any more
Well I'll be...I never thought he would have admitted it...even when called out by Hastings. Your suspicions have been fully justified.
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Post by: ruminator
Darkseid wrote:Death By Monkeys wrote:So, just how much has he been making up? This makes me want to go back through the rumor round-up to see just what all he's posted about so I can cross it off the list of credibility. The #1 one, of course, being his Chaos rumors that led him into an argument with ADB. But what else has he made up?
Probably everything? Of course some rumors have been so vague, they are bound to come true. "Black Templars will have fast attack options!" Well, no gak Sherlock.
Btw. what really got him into an argument, was claiming that he worked at GW HQ, participated in staff sessions and got his rumor from there. No person who values his job would do that.
He's just the cleaner. They don't care what the cleaners think at GW. By participate he meant clear the mugs at the end of the meeting.
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Post by: English Assassin
d-usa wrote:BT: new dex, but not in starter set.
DA: in starter box, but no new dex.
Presuming this turns out to be true, might it lend credibility to the suggestion that Dark Angels will be folded back into the Space Marine Codex?
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
DA are still competitive, but are very limited as to the builds they can reasonably use in a tourney. It's no surprise that there are calls of "codex creep" when we pay 250 pts for 10 jump pack marines with bolt pistols and chainswords (sarge gets a power sword!) as compared to the GK codex with 260 pts for 10 30" teleporting psyker marines with storm bolters and force weapons and psyk-out grenades!
I will look forward to new models -- but it'd be really nice to have viable tourney builds other than Deathwing and one or two others.
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Post by: Khornate25
We are all blindfolded victims, captives of a house made from our undying love and obsession for W40k, and while we are chasing rumours in the darkness, hitting ourselves on each other heads, GW watch from the upstair, smiling and laughing sadistically each time we think we just found the object of our desire, and then that we realise it's just... a pile of gak someone they there a while ago.
The only solution :
Burn down the House
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
I don't see any reason why they couldn't have the SM in the box set be "Dark Angels", just as the marines in the 3rd Ed box set were "Black Templars" and the marines in the 2nd Ed box were "Blood Angels". Do the DA have their own iconic imagery? Yes. Do I expect that to carry over into the box set models. No. I expect the box set models to be as generic as they ever were.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Death By Monkeys wrote:I don't see any reason why they couldn't have the SM in the box set be "Dark Angels", just as the marines in the 3rd Ed box set were "Black Templars" and the marines in the 2nd Ed box were "Blood Angels". Do the DA have their own iconic imagery? Yes. Do I expect that to carry over into the box set models. No. I expect the box set models to be as generic as they ever were.
I agree. Chapter-specific sculpts would severely limit the usefulness of the starter to existing SM players.
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Post by: UsdiThunder
Why the DA weren't folded into the SM Codex always baffled me. They could of fulfilled the flavor with a couple Special Characters Like they did with White Scars and Salamanders.
The last two starter sets were Ultras and the video game Space Marine recently was Ultras. I'd put money the next boxset will be Ultras vs. Xenos.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
lord_blackfang wrote:Death By Monkeys wrote:I don't see any reason why they couldn't have the SM in the box set be "Dark Angels", just as the marines in the 3rd Ed box set were "Black Templars" and the marines in the 2nd Ed box were "Blood Angels". Do the DA have their own iconic imagery? Yes. Do I expect that to carry over into the box set models. No. I expect the box set models to be as generic as they ever were.
I agree. Chapter-specific sculpts would severely limit the usefulness of the starter to existing SM players.
And hurt sales... definitely going to be generic. The question is... if it is a C: SM and a SM... will the chaos figures have the spiky bitz molded on, or will it be an upgrade sprue?
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Post by: BDJV
Hastings just posted the following about the starter.
Originally Posted by 75hastings69
I'm also willing to add (and you'll need to forgive my weak 40k fu here) that the CSM in the starter are Chosen? (hope that's the right name - 40k really isn't my thing!!)
The cultists/renegades post was me, it's just I'm nit 100% sure what their proper name is, that being said I'm almost certain I've got it right.
Sounds very Kool!
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Post by: Breotan
I am going to post a fully unsubstantiated, completely unverified rumor about the new starter set that I totally did not hear from my co-workers at GW whom I don't work with or for.
"The artwork on the spines of the 2012 White Dwarf magazines is part of the image from the new 40k starter box." - Breotan
You heard it here first, folks. 
Edit: Corrected for grammar.
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
There is no Tau, no Black Templars, no Eldar. I want this on the record so strike me down if I am wrong! I am only re-reporting this schedule because I think people have been lead astray by all the false talk of other codices.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
But the Tau ones were so detailed... HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN
I also want to go on the record saying that the Chaos Space Marine codex will not be two books. That was an old rumor from about 5 years ago that got resurrected last year for some infernal reason.
What, so... No Legions/Renegades?
As well another reminder that 6th ed leak pdf is a not the real deal!
glargfargle
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
lord_blackfang wrote:I agree. Chapter-specific sculpts would severely limit the usefulness of the starter to existing SM players.
But these stater boxes aren’t for existing SM players. They’re for new players. We may buy them, but they’re not for us.
I don’t think making the Marines in the box Chapter Specific is a good idea either, but I also don’t think that “But what about non-DA players?” is a real concern either.
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Post by: ph34r
H.B.M.C. wrote: “But what about non-DA players?” is a real concern either.
It obviously is. GW doesn't want all new players restricted to DA. They want new players to have vanilla marines, so that they can buy any type of colored marine model without problem.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And if there are DA's in the box? What then?
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Post by: pretre
H.B.M.C. wrote:And if there are DA's in the box? What then?
What if they put in AOBR style with DA upgrade sprues in box? Kinda crazy and not efficient, but could do it.
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Post by: Arm.chair.general
As long there is Chaos in the box, I am still buying it
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The whole point of these miniatures are that they are simple snap-fit designs.
The point I'm making is that the rumours point towards DA's being in the box. This means one of two things:
1. There are DA models – robes, iconography, everything – in the box.
2. There are generic Marines in the box, and the studio display for them (and plotline for the box) is that they are Dark Angels.
If it’s the latter then fine, and really I would be surprised if GW didn’t put generic Marines in there, but given what we know it is not unreasonable to suspect the former.
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Post by: ph34r
H.B.M.C. wrote:And if there are DA's in the box? What then?
If there are DAs in the box then there are DAs in the box. Might be robed, might be not robed. DA are often depicted without robes.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Not really what I was getting at, but given I don’t know what you’re trying to argue with me about I’ll leave it at that...
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Post by: Kingsley
If I recall correctly, normal Dark Angels explicitly aren't supposed to wear robes, since the robes are a sign of those who are inducted into the Inner Circle and are hence only worn by veterans of the Chapter. I could see a robed Sergeant or whatever, but having every guy in the kit in full robes would actually be unfluffy for a "normal" Dark Angels force.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
But that fluff could change. Hell, if Ward writes the next DA Codex we could see the introduction of the ‘Robidian Cult’, and most of the Chapter is part of this cult, those that aren’t are shunned and made to not wear robes, and the robes are extra absorbent to ensure that every last drop of extra (x2) pure Sororitas blood gets soaked up.
No I’m not bitter...
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Post by: pretre
H.B.M.C. wrote:No I’m not bitter...
Really?
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Post by: ph34r
H.B.M.C. wrote:Not really what I was getting at, but given I don’t know what you’re trying to argue with me about I’ll leave it at that...
You were getting at GW not caring if people didn't like DA-specific models being in the box.
I said that that probably DO care. Where is your confusion?
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Im all about CSM getting new stuff. Chaos is my favorite, and Im all for some new CSM minis...though Im on a fantasy kick right now.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
I guess the good news is I can start saving for 6th edition/trying to find some one to split a couple starter boxes with as my Space Wolves would probably hate me if I tried to pick up DA.
Edit: Yet I want the Chaos and a mini-rulesbook :(.
As a guy who's attempting to own every army and has picked up every new Codex, it feels weird skipping one if these DA rumors end up true. But who knows, if it's anything like Necrons' dramatic changes, I might actually be interested.
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Post by: ceorron
Kroothawk wrote: Hastings statements on the starter box: 75hastings69 wrote:which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos
Interesting Fingers crossed...DA's and CSM.
Not "just" CSM Demons too?
No Cultists / Traitor Guardsmen perhaps?
Glad to see you back in rumor-mongery, Hastings.
Not back in, just lending credence to this as I know it's correct. No, there are rumors that may be complete fabrications about BT, Tau, Eldar, and Chaos. Strangers on the net don't trump White Dwarf.
Agreed (etc. etc.) I wouldn't think that these are the entirety of this year's possible releases - books perhaps, but I'd be surprised if there weren't one or two waves.
Correct (ish ) (...) I don't know if the spine images are anything to do with DA, 6th starter or the 25th year of 40k but I do know that most of the stuff posted is correct. 6th starter does indeed feature DA and the forces of chaos, including a nice plastic chaos dread
Summary: Starter Set includes Dark Angels vs. Chaos. Chaos includes CSM, some traitor guard/cultists and a CSM deadnought.
What I can garner from this is that hastings does a heck of a lot of winking at his computer screen. His computer must no doubt feel that he is trying to hit on her. Also +1 for DA in the box.
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Post by: CaptKaruthors
Does it really matter what's in the starter set? Really? Most of us have played the game long enough, that we pretty much buy the starter set for the mini rule book, maybe keep 10% of the contents and trade/ sell away the rest. Does it really matter what kind of marines they will be? They are always more generic than their multipart cousins. The only starter set that was unique was the 3rd edition starter set as it introduced and entirely "new" race at the time. The old DE models were ugly, but the set was unique for sure. All the other sets have always been Marines vs. Orks.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Here the full quotes by Hastings (because important parts were left out):
75hastings69 wrote:....They'll be painted like DA and the fluff will be DA, however the models won't be DA-specific.
Really ???
(...)
I'm also willing to add (and you'll need to forgive my weak 40k fu here) that the CSM in the starter are Chosen? (hope that's the right name - 40k really isn't my thing!!)
(...)
Plastic chaos raptors are for a "slightly" later release
The cultists/renegades post was me, it's just I'm nit 100% sure what their proper name is, that being said I'm almost certain I've got it right.
And:
Darnok wrote:There are no plastic Plaguebearers in the 6th ed starterbox.
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Post by: ceorron
In a way I agree CaptKaruthors, ultimately they could be painted any color.
It does matter in a way, I feel it has been a very long time since Dark Angels got this sort of lime light treatment and since 2nd I think most likely treat as a second rate army, probably because they are so close in many ways to other marine armies.
They are different but it is mostly fluff, hopefully GW will go into that some and help flesh out Dark Angels a bit more. tbh
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Post by: Lar'shi
please SM and TAU please then i would pick it up lol
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Kroothawk wrote:
And:
Darnok wrote:There are no plastic Plaguebearers in the 6th ed starterbox.
If I recall correctly, it was ghost21 that said that the 6th ed starterbox would have Plaguebearers.
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Post by: IronChaos
Just wanted to notice: all articles about CSM on the GW page (tactics, tutorials...) excepting the "Beggin here" one have been deleted. Perhaps they're already cleaning the place for what's to come...
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Post by: pretre
IronChaos wrote:Just wanted to notice: all articles about CSM on the GW page (tactics, tutorials...) excepting the "Beggin here" one have been deleted. Perhaps they're already cleaning the place for what's to come...
All the 40k articles are gone. This is pretty well documented previously. Theories range from paint pot changes to website updates. Glad to see we have a new one.
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Post by: agnosto
So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.
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Post by: thunderingjove
agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.
Exactly why I don't believe this rumor.
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Post by: Absolutionis
thunderingjove wrote:agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.
Exactly why I don't believe this rumor.
Funny thing. This is exactly why I do believe this rumor.
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Post by: Darthslowe
Too bad about the all power armor. It does make sense if you think about it from a benevolent GW point of view. They probably received a phone call that went something like this:
"Hello, Mr. Kirby here."
"Good day Mr. Kirby. My name is Samantha Brinklehoff. I was calling to log a complaint with you."
"Ah, I see, well, please go ahead. We are very concerned about our customers and would like to take every opportunity we can to make sure they are happy."
"Well, you see, when the last edition of your game came out it contained two factions, the Space Marines and the Orks. My son and his friend took their pocket money and decided to split a box. My son ended up with the Orks because he thought they looked better, but it wasn't long before he came home crying everyday because his friend's Space Marines had a better save than his Orks. I think that for the sake of the children something must be done about this."
"Thank you Ma'am for telling me that, that is definitely a cause for concern. I will see to it that it is addressed."
Later that day in a GW board meeting...
"I received a very concerned call about the contents of our starter box today. It seems there was an issue with the Orks not being as good as Space Marines. For the sake of our customers we must make sure that anyone that splits a starter box with one of his friends has equal access to power armor..."
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Post by: d-usa
thunderingjove wrote:agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.
Exactly why I don't believe this rumor.
Except that maybe instead of power armor vs. power armor you might have the following:
TDA & PA vs. PA & Heretics/Cultics/Traitor Guard.
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Post by: nkelsch
I never thought I would see the day when Orks were the neglected trash of the Xenos armies!!!
It sounds like we will have a 4th edition codex way into 2013!
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Post by: agnosto
d-usa wrote:thunderingjove wrote:agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.
Exactly why I don't believe this rumor.
Except that maybe instead of power armor vs. power armor you might have the following: TDA & PA vs. PA & Heretics/Cultics/Traitor Guard.
Yeah, still not exciting and I don't see them doing PA and TDA because it would be exactly the same as AoBR....well, thinking about it, that's just the laziness I'd expect. Customer: Say, the marines in this box are exactly the same as 5th edition. GW Redshirt: No they're not, you get this nifty jet bike instead of a dreadnaught! Customer: grumble grumble.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
nkelsch wrote:I never thought I would see the day when Orks were the neglected trash of the Xenos armies!!!
It sounds like we will have a 4th edition codex way into 2013!
You're not familiar with Orks pre-2008, then?
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Post by: candy.man
Absolutionis wrote:Funny thing. This is exactly why I do believe this rumor.
This. Given the supreme emphasis on Space Marines in 5th, specifically loyalist Space Marines, there’s no reason why GW would put a non Space Marine faction in the starter. The interesting thing about Hasting’s rumour is that having DA vs Fallen as well as having Fallen paired with Daemons and Cultists seems a little hard to believe. There probably will be some kind of dark green space men in the kit but I don’t think it will be DA vs Fallen exactly.
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Post by: Blackhoof
nkelsch wrote:I never thought I would see the day when Orks were the neglected trash of the Xenos armies!!!
It sounds like we will have a 4th edition codex way into 2013!
Neglected trash?
What about the eldar? They are so neglected you dont even remember them.....
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Post by: KarlPedder
UsdiThunder wrote:Why the DA weren't folded into the SM Codex always baffled me. They could of fulfilled the flavor with a couple Special Characters Like they did with White Scars and Salamanders.
You know I honestly believe that this kind of attitude is in part is why they are in the starter and likely have jumped the que over BT because while DA have strong thematics those thematics aren't supported by unique units and mechanics.
But then perhaps your one of those folks who doesn't understand that having multiple SM armies actually helps through low risk investment that brings in cash flow and actually helps to enable big xenos releases like DE and Necrons?
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Post by: Alex0077
If the Dark Angels are in the new box and or new codex soon, hopefully they will be portrayed as a more sinister army. From what I read/heard that was their fluff before, and plasma galore.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I've always had a strange issue with the "Space Marines sell well" argument. Surely they sell well, but most people take their Space Marine army and use them, in tournaments, as the power-armor-flavor of the week. How many blue-painted omega-clad Blood Angels, Space Wolves, or even Grey Knights have you played against?
I know a guy that has a full Salamanders Army, and just bought Dark Elf cold ones to use as Thunderwolf Cavalry when Space Wolves came out. He got tons of "flame priests" and Mephiston when Blood Angels came out. He ebayed several "flame halberds" and bought a Dreadknight when Grey Knights came out. Admittedly, they all look really nice, but the core remained the same. He played in 'Ard Boyz with this stuff.
How many Dark Eldar converts pretty much bought all their models new when the codex came out? How many people decided to buy a bunch of new Necron stuff when they came out? How many Tyranids players bought a few Trygons because it was the coolest kit GW ever made? How many people started Fantasy when all theose cool things came out?
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Post by: Ledabot
I'm looking foward to 6th ed what evers in the starter box. I most likely won't get it anyway, inless I start a dark angels army that is.
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Post by: Lockark
Absolutionis wrote:I've always had a strange issue with the "Space Marines sell well" argument. Surely they sell well, but most people take their Space Marine army and use them, in tournaments, as the power-armor-flavor of the week. How many blue-painted omega-clad Blood Angels, Space Wolves, or even Grey Knights have you played against?
I know a guy that has a full Salamanders Army, and just bought Dark Elf cold ones to use as Thunderwolf Cavalry when Space Wolves came out. He got tons of "flame priests" and Mephiston when Blood Angels came out. He ebayed several "flame halberds" and bought a Dreadknight when Grey Knights came out. Admittedly, they all look really nice, but the core remained the same. He played in 'Ard Boyz with this stuff.
How many Dark Eldar converts pretty much bought all their models new when the codex came out? How many people decided to buy a bunch of new Necron stuff when they came out? How many Tyranids players bought a few Trygons because it was the coolest kit GW ever made? How many people started Fantasy when all theose cool things came out?
Not to mention the fact that space mariens sell well is because the effort put into makeing them sell well. You put even half that effort into any other race, and they would sell well too.
XD
lol
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Absolutionis wrote:I've always had a strange issue with the "Space Marines sell well" argument. Surely they sell well, but most people take their Space Marine army and use them, in tournaments, as the power-armor-flavor of the week. How many blue-painted omega-clad Blood Angels, Space Wolves, or even Grey Knights have you played against?
I'd say most people aren't like that. And that bandwagoners aren't just Marine players, but it's just very easy to be a bandwagoner when you are a Marine player.
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Post by: gobbledog
As a DA player part of me would love to see them in the starter box. New models etc would be nice. Another part of me dreads it, because then everyone would have DA's...hmmm, its a conundrum.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well it'd give people something else to whine about besides Ultramarines and Draigo.
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Post by: gobbledog
Whine about the First Legion???? It will never happen heretic!
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Post by: Ravenblade666
I spoke to the owner of local indy shop, he got off the phone with GW early this week and pretty much confirms the release date that's on the first page,
sometime in summer he was told, also he was told that AoBR box is very good value compared to the new box, now I think it's more of price issue then
contents issue due to inflation and that GW want to move as many boxes of AoBR before the new box comes out.
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Post by: ceorron
I'm liking the sound of what the Chaos Space marines and traitors seem to be getting in their half of the box, seems like their should be some great miniatures. I'm wondering if seen as it is DA on the space marine side that the started box set will include plastic "ravenwing" bikes. I could see them doing that with special weapons as currently the bikes with special weapons are still about the only part of the space marine line that has metal components and could do with some substitutes. Making those plastic would probably be pretty good. Maybe then a captain, some "deathwing" terminators, a "ravenwing" land speeder instead of the dread for variety and two normal squads of marines. Too much? Automatically Appended Next Post: gobbledog wrote:As a DA player part of me would love to see them in the starter box. New models etc would be nice. Another part of me dreads it, because then everyone would have DA's...hmmm, its a conundrum.
They will most likely be very generic so as not to alienated every SM player except DA player, so no sculpted DA iconography sadly. Don't know if this is better or worse for you?
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm looking forward to a plastic Chaos Dreadnought!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Here a nice insight on how Harry makes his predictions based on tidbits of information:
Harry wrote:Following recent events ....
In an effort to show how tricky it is to predict anything very much with any accuracy and to demonstrate how much I get wrong. ....
What follows is what I put together back in September 2011 (from various snippets) and shared with some guys back in October ... it is more or less word for word.
You will see there are a lot of "?" in what follows.
I had head some very dodgy rumours regarding 40K releases in January ... non of those happened.
Whilst I had Tau in as the first release of 2013 ... I also had it in with a ? against it in the first half of this year as I had heard this from a couple of people but was not convinced. I had heard March/April for Empire and was not sure which. I had heard Eldar v's Chaos from two of the most reliable folks I ever hear stuff from .... but now it looks like that was wrong too .... (Never bet against hastings ... ever!) ... Read on.
"This is what I think is going on. (I put this together after GD)
You can see whilst I am confident of a release order ... it is a bit more tricky getting the month right.
Fantasy Release Order:
VC
Empire
WoC
Dwarves
40K Release Order:
Necrons
Chaos Space Marines. (Just before or right after 6th)
Eldar
Tau
Sisters of Battle, Black Templars and waves or bits and bobs for Necrons/Nids/SW and IG also being worked on or done that need releasing somewhere?
LotR
Hobbit and bunch of other stuff for LotR (including Legions etc).
2011
Nov : Necrons
Dec : Fantasy Terrain
2012
Jan : 40K Bits and Bobs. IG tank/T. Wolf cavaly/Finecast characters?
Feb : Vampire Counts (Jan Or Feb) New paints Necron 2nd wave? (or later)
Mar : Empire? Tau?
Apr : Tau? Empire? More fantasy scenery.
May : Tau? LotR stuff
Jun : Tau? Chaos Space Marines.
Jul : 6th edition.
Aug : Warriors of Chaos
Sep : Starter set : Eldar v’s Chaos?
Oct : First 6th edition release? Space Marines? (Collective assumtion ... I don't think so.) Chaos space marines? (My guess)
Nov : THE HOBBIT!!!! BLOODBOWL???
Eldar Second 6th edition release!
Dec :
2013
First 40K release of 2013 (Feb?) Tau.
More Nids Could be 2012 (Tervigon ??? Harpy??? I mentioned before)
Sisters of Battle. Could be in 2012? (Heard at one time they were to be the first 40K release of 2012)"
Obviously I now know lots of this was wrong ... but this is what I started with.
It is amazing I get anything right at all.
Still don't know what happened to Sisters of Battle.
And also this:
straightsilver wrote:Well I am pretty sure that the starter set will feature Dark Angels and Chaos, people I have spoken to have backed this up although it won't necessarily be Chaos Space Marines.
Both Jervis Johnson and Alessio Cavatore have both stated not only on the internet, but in the pages of White Dwarf (admittedly a long time ago for WD, but Alessio's blog post was just after he left the company) that the current Chaos Space marines Codex would remain to represent Renegades, and Chaos Legions would be in addition to the current Codex.
So I am 90% certain that there will just be one new book, but it will feature cultists as a unit for Alpha Legion in much the same way Codex:CSM3.5 did.
Apparently a Traitor Guard Codex was suggested, and considered, but later rejected so I suspect if they are coming in any shape or form it will only be in the Legions Codex.
I haven't heard anything about Chaos Daemons Codex being replaced (although it should be!), but that Legions will have better than summoned daemons.
Admittedly I guess we will just have to wait and see, but I think people expecting more than 1 Chaos Codex for the foreseeable future might be disappointed.
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Post by: Bonde
My only concern is that the Chaos models in the starter set won't be brutal or chaosy eough, because GW also wants to market it to children.
Oh damn, now I am psyked for a proper Alfa Legion army list. My Imperial Guard army might just go traitors.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.
Wasn't there a reference to traitors/mutants? I'd be willing to guess that they'd have less than a 3+.
If they don't, then I totally agree with you Yawn. Part of the fun was learning how different saves can be.
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Post by: darknightwing
I seriously hope it's not Chaos for the 'bad' side of the starter. It is a lot easier to trade off some xenos than Chaos.
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Post by: Supreme Kai
I hope to God that the starter set isn't fall of damnos. The book was ok i guess. But im not a fan of necrons
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Post by: zearas
Yeah I'll probably quit completely if DA comes out before BT. It's a bit silly how bad our book is. Not nessiarly competitive wise ( which it's still pretty bad on that account) but it's just not fun to play and when you have 6000 points of an army that just sits there it's pretty abdicating when more recent books get new cool stuff and gw just ignores the stuff that needs a bone.
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Post by: -Loki-
Considering hastings gave a nod to Dark Angels and Chaos, I'd say it's a pretty good bet. And gave a wink to cultists.
Even through he's 'left' the rumour business, he's still up there with Harry as the most trustworthy sources. Automatically Appended Next Post: zearas wrote:Yeah I'll probably quit completely if DA comes out before BT. It's a bit silly how bad our book is. Not nessiarly competitive wise ( which it's still pretty bad on that account) but it's just not fun to play and when you have 6000 points of an army that just sits there it's pretty abdicating when more recent books get new cool stuff and gw just ignores the stuff that needs a bone.
Diddums.
Tyranid players are in the same situation, and we've got a long wait for another book. At least yours is soon, even if DA beat them to a release.
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Post by: Lockark
darknightwing wrote:I seriously hope it's not Chaos for the 'bad' side of the starter. It is a lot easier to trade off some xenos than Chaos.
I would think chaos would be easier to trade off then xenos in all honesty. Chaos has a fairly large player and fan base.
O.o
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Post by: KarlPedder
zearas wrote:Yeah I'll probably quit completely if DA comes out before BT. It's a bit silly how bad our book is. Not nessiarly competitive wise ( which it's still pretty bad on that account) but it's just not fun to play and when you have 6000 points of an army that just sits there it's pretty abdicating when more recent books get new cool stuff and gw just ignores the stuff that needs a bone.
I'm sorry dude but when I see someone complain about having 6k points of a specific army that hasn't been updated in a while I can't help but think that maybe err you put too many of your eggs in one basket.......
Not to mention the entitlement my Codex is older it deserves a Codex 1st is just silly considering the situation. They aren't going to just shove any armies in the starter one is going to be a SM army the other is going to be an obvious bad guy army while Eldar/Tau vs Imperial happens all the time in the setting they just aren't a good enough contrast for the starter ImpvsImp even more so. That the two armies in the starter are armies with 4th ed codexes that really do need an update is a good thing. That its DA in the starter instead of vanilla SM/UMs is a good thing. Having a 4th ed codex that needs an update (while arguably doesn't need it as much as BT) jump the que a bit because they have been included in the starter is better than it being SM jumping the que with their perfectly viable 5th ed codex being superflously updated as a result.
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Post by: Starfarer
zearas wrote:Yeah I'll probably quit completely if DA comes out before BT.
"The universe is a big place and, whatever happens, you will not be missed." - Games Workshop
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Post by: Brother SRM
Bonde wrote:My only concern is that the Chaos models in the starter set won't be brutal or chaosy eough, because GW also wants to market it to children.
Oh damn, now I am psyked for a proper Alfa Legion army list. My Imperial Guard army might just go traitors.
Why would you even think that? This entire game is marketed to teenagers just as much as it is to adults, and there's no reason why they'd make the models any more or less brutal just because it was in a starter box. There might not be guys ripping hearts out, Mortal Kombat style, but they're still going to be Chaos Marines, and they're still going to look like a bunch of spiky badasses.
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Post by: Experiment 626
-Loki- wrote:Considering hastings gave a nod to Dark Angels and Chaos, I'd say it's a pretty good bet. And gave a wink to cultists.
Even through he's 'left' the rumour business, he's still up there with Harry as the most trustworthy sources.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
zearas wrote:Yeah I'll probably quit completely if DA comes out before BT. It's a bit silly how bad our book is. Not nessiarly competitive wise ( which it's still pretty bad on that account) but it's just not fun to play and when you have 6000 points of an army that just sits there it's pretty abdicating when more recent books get new cool stuff and gw just ignores the stuff that needs a bone.
Diddums.
Tyranid players are in the same situation, and we've got a long wait for another book. At least yours is soon, even if DA beat them to a release.
Tyranids are only considered a crap army because 5th edition is more commonly known as 'mechhammer 40k' and 'nids like Daemons have crap all for even semi-decent ranged anti-tank. If 'nids had decent access to BS4 or better S9/10 and/or S8 ap1 they'd be right up there with the other 5th ed books in terms of competitive 'uberness. Sadly, 'nids are a swarm of bugs who can barely shoot strait and all your ranged anti-tank is limited for the most part to the Elites section.
Play a game of 40k with only say 2 transports and perhaps 2-3 other vehicle targets instead of the current standard of 6-12+ vehicles and 'nids are competitive.
As for Templars needing an update over DA's?! Laughable... Sure Templars are stale, but they're still solid in competitive play even if their builds look nothing like what a Templar army *should* going by their background.
Those poor DA's are just redonkulously even more expensive marines with less options than even templars get and all of 1 viable tourny build. Oh, and no real identity of their own, despite being the original fething legion!
And no, I'm not some DA fanboy - I play Daemons! i just think that DA's really deserve to have the limelight and be made into more than just the sideshow they've been reduced to since 3rd edition!
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Post by: ph34r
Actually DA are also quite competitive, their armies just look really boring because their good unit is 5 deathwing terminators with hammer/shield and a cyclone.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
zearas wrote:Yeah I'll probably quit completely if DA comes out before BT. It's a bit silly how bad our book is. Not nessiarly competitive wise ( which it's still pretty bad on that account) but it's just not fun to play and when you have 6000 points of an army that just sits there it's pretty abdicating when more recent books get new cool stuff and gw just ignores the stuff that needs a bone.
Let's look at this.
Your codex was produced at a time where flexibility was encouraged. The 4th edition SM codex, BT codex and Tyranid codex were some of the most fun and flexible ones around. In comparison your codex is still very, very powerful. The DA codex, like the Eldar and CSM were produced in that phase where GW decided they wanted tame, generic codexes that were balanced all round and had people relying more on fluff and characterful unit selections for a theme - hence the disappearing of Black Guardians, hence the taming of the DA in general, hence the convoluted Icon system for CSM. They threw this out the window with Daemons and Orks, so that lasted all of maybe 6 months.
Another big rumour for the coming edition is Preferred Enemy applying to shooting as well as close combat attacks. Say, doesn't your army have the ability to get an army-wide Preferred Enemy as well as having SM standard short ranged firepower, especially since some of the more debilitating factors disappeared with 5th edition and the FAQ?
Are you sure you want to give all that up?
The 'oldest codex should be updated first!' tantrum doesn't mean jack when said 'old codex' is still significantly more powerful than some of the 'new' ones.
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Post by: combatmedic
I have said it before and I will say it again: If DA get pushed into the Vanilla dex as special characters, I will up and quit this damn game. I don't care if BT get updated first or not, but for them to get a dex and the DA to be special charactered is laughable.
The starter box will, more than likely, be like the 3rd and 5th editions where pretty much everything will be generic, which means as a "all robed" player I won't have much use for the models, but the new story would be welcome.
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Post by: Lordhat
Experiment 626 wrote:
Play a game of 40k with only say 2 transports and perhaps 2-3 other vehicle targets instead of the current standard of 6-12+ vehicles and 'nids are competitive.
In other words:
Handicap every other list in the game and Nids are competitive!
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Post by: Vermillion
Hmm DA have been around and popular, deserving their own decided since RT days. Templars on the other hand only really since 3rd when GW realised they could sell more ccw/ bolt pistol arms sprues by redoing a list. The DA fixed is one of the weakest out there, nothing really unique anymore, better off fielding vanilla marines. Honestly they need updating more than eldar and about the same as nids and chaos marines imo...
But as ever lets see what happens. Brets and WE haven't been updated yet in WHFB in GW's wisdom...
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Post by: CURNOW
Think if it this way DA have a huge wealth of background and character to build on when designing new models ( this is GW'S business .to sell models !the rules are there to give you something to do with said models and to encourage you to buy more) there best business decision is to revamp the DA just like they have with the BA . Ok the BT do have fluff but they are not as individual or as iconic as the DA
Oh and DA weren't "the original legion" jhonson wasn't found till quite late in the crusade its just that there legion was numbered one out of the others pre crusade .
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Post by: Harry
-Loki- wrote:Considering hastings gave a nod to Dark Angels and Chaos, I'd say it's a pretty good bet. And gave a wink to cultists.
Even through he's 'left' the rumour business, he's still up there with Harry as the most trustworthy sources..
This makes me laugh. With rumours ... Hastings makes me look like I am fumbling around in the dark.
In my experience if he says thats what it is ... thats what it is.
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Post by: Fosner1703
CURNOW wrote:Oh and DA weren't "the original legion" jhonson wasn't found till quite late in the crusade its just that there legion was numbered one out of the others pre crusade .
"The Dark Angels have the honour of being the first Legion created by The Emperor."~ 40k Lexicanum
If you want to read more with the reference numbers.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Angels#.TyxkgFLNltk
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
DA won't become better till someone besides Jarvis writes them.
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Post by: Snrub
CURNOW wrote:Oh and DA weren't "the original legion" jhonson wasn't found till quite late in the crusade its just that there legion was numbered one out of the others pre crusade .
Dude lrn2fluff...
Fosner knows whats hes talking about.
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Post by: combatmedic
ZebioLizard2 wrote:DA won't become better till someone besides Jarvis writes them.
Anyone, ANYONE but Jarvis would be better.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
d-usa wrote:
Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.
(sorry, could'n resist!)
Warhammer 40.000 Dark millenium extension box!
Snrub wrote:CURNOW wrote:Oh and DA weren't "the original legion" jhonson wasn't found till quite late in the crusade its just that there legion was numbered one out of the others pre crusade .
Dude lrn2fluff...
Fosner knows whats hes talking about.
Huh...no.
The DA was indeed the first Legion made, but they did indeed found Lion El'johnson after a few others Primarchs.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
combatmedic wrote:ZebioLizard2 wrote:DA won't become better till someone besides Jarvis writes them.
Anyone, ANYONE but Jarvis would be better.
Even Cruddace?
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Slayer le boucher wrote:d-usa wrote:
Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.
Warhammer 40.000 Dark millenium extension box!
A valid technical point, but it's not like that box set came with any miniatures.
I gotta love that DA Captain's Wesley Snipes haircut, though!
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Post by: Brother SRM
combatmedic wrote:ZebioLizard2 wrote:DA won't become better till someone besides Jarvis writes them.
Anyone, ANYONE but Jarvis would be better.
Ah yes, famed codex author Jarvis Jhensen, no relation to Jervis Johnson!
The codex will be better than the one they have no, by nature of it being a codex not written in that awful mindset. CSM, WD BA, and DA all had that same model for writing and it was awful, and won't happen again.
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Post by: Bleak_Fantasy
Well depending on what armies are in the set I hope I can find someone at my locals that wants one army and is willing to their part of the other trade so I can pick up a large amount of models for another army.
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Post by: KingmanHighborn
Wait traitor guard and cultists are coming back? YES! YES! YES! My Corsairs will have their meat shields back.
I also hope Chaos gets some flavor back like it had in the 3.5 dex and get the actual daemons we want to field and not generics and fill ins that aren't as good or fun to have.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Darnok over at Warseer posted this from an anonymous source:
Darnok wrote:I've been told the following:
- no BT in the near future
- DA are "in progress"
- Eldar and Tau are being worked on, with Eldar further along than Tau
Concerning Chaos:
- the book is done and almost at the printers
- an Iron Warriors character (?) has been seen, with a huge servo harness
- possible new Obliterators (plastic or Finecast?)
- painted versions of all 4 cult terminators have been sighted - could be conversions though
- plastic Plaguebearers on round bases have been sighted
(...)
And last, but definetely not least: more flyers seem to be in the works, including an Ork Fighter! It seemed to be very similar to the FW version. No specific mention of a timeframe was given - expect it sometime the next six months.
The usual disclaimer: while I trust my birdies, you don't have to. Please don't take any of this as gospel.
I have sourced out info on BT, Tyranids, Necrons and Chaos to extra threads (mostly existing).
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Post by: TBD
So if no BT, and DA, Tau & Eldar are being worked on (aka not finished yet), and Chaos coming after the new edition, then what?
We assume there are two waves coming up soon ( SW/Tyranids/Necrons/ IG), but it would be rather weird if we get no full 40K army release before the summer 
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Post by: Kroothawk
Either only 2nd waves before 6th edition.
But "DA in progess" doesn't contradict BoK's rumour of a DA Codex in April//May.
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Post by: TBD
A DA codex in april/may would be unexpected (at least until recently), but welcome (my Marine army is DA themed).
However, we would then (assumedly) get DA, a starter box with DA vs Chaos, and after that Chaos, all in the same year.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Why not? 2nd waves FTW!
IF DA are "done, WiP" or whatever state as of yet, it is an eerie silence about them. Any info to share?
Finally the new policy with rumors makes sense. DA took over and the secrets are kept now, safe.
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Post by: wuestenfux
A starter set with DA and CSM makes sense since both armies will arrive right before and after the new edition. How about Tau, BT and Eldar?
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Post by: Swordwind
More plastic Eldar to replace finecast would be fine by me.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Harry wrote:If this edition follows the release schedules of the past, it will be BRB in June, Starter Set in October. Lots of room for releases before, in between, and after those.
I am thinking July and September.
Tau/Elder in Q4 then. Great.
Not so much.
Probably closer to Q1 2013, whichever one it is.
Or even both. 
I want my damn Templars.
Sadly .....
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Post by: Ledabot
Far out. I was saving up for my tau. If I have to wait for another 300 days for them, grrrrr.
Are we not due for 3 codexs this year? If we know of chaos in july or august and tau elder in 4Q, then we could be expecting the DA in 2Q or something right?
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Wait, so no Templars in the forseeable future?
Preferred Enemy BETTER work in shooting!
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Post by: Kroothawk
stickmonkey wrote:I saw the sisters work early, and later heard they had such a hard time with converting designs to models that they wanted to hold until they could figure a way out. But I heard that thru a few layers so I never found out how true it was.m one this I will say, is with the dawn of the single mini plastics...ala liche king in VC some of the layering issues can be dealt with...but I honestly think the process of building the molds was where it all broke down and became too costly for the projected returns. This is mostly my opinion based on the little I heard after the fact.
For tau, I would hope they aren't a year off, ive heard some of the packaging is already completed, so if so they are consuming warehouse space somewhere, which is not what I have ever seen gw like to hold on long games. The new ethereal guard models ( I don't recall the name) look positively delicious. And I really think the updates will bring in new players as well as de did.
For eldar, there is a lot I could say. I'm not going to go so far to start shooting down specific rumors, but there seems to be a big sea building with no water. Obvious stuff is mentioned in every rumormongers post, so find the common threads...
Harry is very accurate about one thing, I am way early in things and my perspective is very skewed from the area I interact with.
On Tau:
Harry wrote:Well originally I had them down as the first release of 2013 then I heard they migt be in the first half of this year but as that time approaches and I have heard nothing more solid...I have assumed the original slot I have for them was accurate.
(...)
If that is accurate about the Tau packaging ... maybe I am wrong.
Normally packaging means sooner rather than later.
But packaging may not be synonymous with a Codex release in that case but maybe a small wave in the near future à la Eldar Weapon Platform?
Yes. you are right in fact I have even heard (and I think posted) that I wouldn't be surprised if we saw something for tau ahead of the full codex release. So that could be whats going on here. So on my other schedule where I had Tau with the ? that might be right for a small release.
On Others:
Harry wrote:Thats worrying about the Sisters of Battle .... however what they are able to do with the plastics is getting more and more impressive. I am sure they will master the technology to do what they need to do produce Sisters at some point. Maybe all the layers they want simply wouldn't fit on the sprue and they have had to redesign them a bit.
So we are probably going to see a Necron wave first, followed by the Tyranid wave?
No. We are going to have a Tyranid wave followed by a Necron wave.
BramGaunt wrote:Even though it drastically crashes with what Iheard, if I interpret Harry's info correctly, I would say we see Tyranids in march, something Warhammer related in april, Necrons in may, Warhammer again in June, and then 6th.
Only speculation, though.
Damn, your good.
This was my updated list around christmas time.
(Although I still had Eldar and CSM as the starter set until hastings said different last week).
As you can see I still had no idea where CSM was released. Just that they are first.
2012
Jan : Vampire Counts
Feb : Lord of the Rings relaunch. Fantasy scenery “Deathwatch knell” / Necrons?
Mar : Tyranids and more LotR stuff?
Apr : Empire
May : Necron wave and more LotR stuff?
Jun : Chaos Space Marines?
Jul : 6th edition.
Aug : Warriors of Chaos / Chaos Space marines?
Sep : Starter set : Dark Angels v’s Chaos
Oct : Chaos space marines?
Nov : THE HOBBIT!!!! BLOODBOWL???
Dec :
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Post by: agnosto
On the Tau,
They're not missing any models in the current 'dex, why would they release models for units that don't currently exist? Unless it's the recut of the 'suits?
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Post by: Kroothawk
1.) To release plastic versions of metal models (pathfinders).
2.) To release combi kits for previous models (Crisis Suit/Broadside, Kroot/Krootox/Hounds)
3.) To introduce a new model with WD rules months ahead of a new Codex (see terrorgheist).
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Post by: mjl7atlas
was there any legitamicy to the SW release in the prior rumours? Thunderwolves?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Put simply: it's likely that Thunderwolves are done, and they want to release them at a point in time of their choosing.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Hastings said we will see a SW release after Tyranids and Necrons, and so it will be
And Thunderwolves are the main thing missing.
Some other tidbits:
MajorWesJanson wrote:Several things to comment.
1. I doubt there will be a Blood Bowl game this year, as they seem to alternate with the Boxed Starter sets. Both are roughly similar in production.
2. Summer of Fliers was never an actual plan. There was little to no interest in fighters/fliers in the studio until after the Dark Eldar Razorwing was released, when suddenly everyone wanted to make a flier. That interest may have sparked the rumor, but there was never a "Summer of Fliers" plan for models or rules.
3. If they have decided to do Plastic mini-sprues for 40K, I can see them releasing some along with 6th in July.
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Post by: TBD
And what happened to the rumoured IG waive (Hydra, Medusa?, Stormtroopers?).
That wasn't Ghost21 stuff was it?
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Post by: IHateNids
I'm afraid that's likely, TBD. On Crons. Battleforce / possible finecast IC's: 25th 2nd wave: may. On Tau. I heard at my FLGS november. There is a possibility of a new Tank and a new suit. (no further info. don't ask) Nids are march, IG are june, and 6th (box / dexes of boxed armies) is august afaik. As for the box set. I'll buy it, steal the good stuff (rulebook, dice, templates) then sell the rest as a marine army, or start one myself. EDIT: bad spelling removed Automatically Appended Next Post: Please note, I don't have any 'sources', so i don't know if any of this is legit.
However, Crons battleforce is feb. heres proof (somewhere in the last ten pages)
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/403994.page
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Post by: SoloFalcon1138
If the final line of the initial rumor is true, then I will be happier than a pig in... well, you know...
As a down-trodden Dark Angels (or as my buddies say "Chaos-lite") player, that would he a set I'd buy!
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Post by: Lockark
"No. We are going to have a Tyranid wave followed by a Necron wave."
Oh hey that's some good news- wait... THIS IS TERRIBLE NEWS! That means both necrons and nids are never going to get a 2nd wave!
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Post by: Snrub
Kroothawk you realise your worse then a crack dealer right??
You supply us with all this good stuff. Keep us coming back for more day after day and you never charge us for it. You are an enabler of the best kind sir.
Any new info on what units might be in the starter kit beside plastic choas dreads and possibe cultits?
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Post by: BobTheChainsaw
I still hope we get the BT codex in like, April or something.
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Post by: Sasori
Argh, my second wave pushed back to May! Nooo.
At least my Nids will finally get some love next month. Hopefully.
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Post by: ShottyScotty
There is one thing that is bothering me.
Why are the necrons getting a battleforce so soon? It hasnt been long at all since their codex got upgraded and there is already one in the mix.
I just wish my GK got SOMETHING so I wouldnt have to pay 45$ for PAGK or 65$ for termies. (after applicable taxes)
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Post by: IHateNids
I don't know why Scotty, but it's happened. As a Cron/Tau player, I'm happy to find out that the second wave of crons is may (my birthday) so that my mam has got no excuse to not buy me any.
As for 2013 Tau, well, lets hope that under 6ed they play ok without the update.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Straightsilver over at BoLS:
I may live to regret this, but there will be no Eldar release in 2012.
They are still a long way off, at least a year away from what I have been told.
of course now I have said that I will probably be proved wrong, but I am 99% sure they won't be this year.
Tau on the other hand are a strong contender, although they have had models ready to go for over a year and still haven't shown up.
2012 looks like this as far as I know:
February: Nids Wave
March: Necron Wave
June: Chaos Legions
July: 6th Edition boxed ste (featuring Dark Angels and Chaos)
August: Codex Dark Angels
There are no signs of any other Codex releases, there may be waves for other armies.
Q4 this year will be dominated by the Hobbit so expect Q2 and Q3 to be 40K centric, but don't expect too much.
Then Q1 2013 will be more Hobbit, Q2 2013 may see a new Codex but it's more likely to be wave releases, so if Eldar or Tau were coming I would say Q3.
Of course I may be wrong, but these are the indications I have been told.
Then again, one of those sources said Tau were due before Necrons, so who knows....
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Post by: IHateNids
GW, WHY R U TROLLING US??
P.S. how do you post pics?
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Post by: Swordwind
Edit: Okay, didn't come out the way I wanted it to...
There's a button that says image in the posting thingy. Click it. Paste url. Click it again.
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Post by: Alpharius
Resist the temptation to post replies that are only pictures.
That is, generally speaking, considered 'spam' and therefore against the rules.
Thanks!
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Post by: IHateNids
ok thanks. and I won't.
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Post by: wyomingfox
Kroothawk wrote:Straightsilver over at BoLS:
June: Chaos Legions
July: 6th Edition boxed ste (featuring Dark Angels and Chaos)
August: Codex Dark Angels
I am having a hard time believing that GW will have 3 major back-to-back 40k releases
Edit: Though I would be as pleased as pie if this came true
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Post by: Lockark
wyomingfox wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Straightsilver over at BoLS:
June: Chaos Legions
July: 6th Edition boxed ste (featuring Dark Angels and Chaos)
August: Codex Dark Angels
I am having a hard time believing that GW will have 3 major back-to-back 40k releases
At least we're coming foreword.... Atleast we don't have people claiming 4-5 major 40k releases in one year anymore.
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Post by: Gymnogyps
I think GW hates me. My two favorite armies:
SoB - neglected
WE - neglected
Both need updates so bad, I have packed them both away. Would love so much to buy new shiny goodness for them...
My other armies are not in such a state of neglect, but they apparently are not getting any releases in any projections. Oh well, next year looks to be a "build and paint the backlog" year.
I only hope there is a secret mystery release in there somewhere, but at least now I know to temper my hope so that I am not disappointed, again, every month, when there is no sign of WE or SoB.
Kroothawk, thank you again for keeping up with all of these rumors. Being able to speculate is so much better than the complete unknown! Maybe 6th will make me take up the torch for my Orks again, if only to build and paint what I have sitting around.
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Post by: Harry
wyomingfox wrote:
Edit: Though I would be as pleased as pie if this came true
Pie? When do we get Pie. I'm always pleased with pie.
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Post by: wyomingfox
Harry wrote:wyomingfox wrote:
Edit: Though I would be as pleased as pie if this came true
Pie? When do we get Pie. I'm always pleased with pie.
When you come over to WI in the fall . The Pie Depot in Gays Mills, WI has one of the best Apple Pies I've ever tasted, great to visit around the 1st week in October when all the leaves are changing in the Driftless Region . Definately worth the 10 hour plane trip. [/end of promotion]
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Post by: Kroothawk
wyomingfox wrote:Harry wrote:Pie? When do we get Pie. I'm always pleased with pie.
The Pie Depot in Gays Mills, WI ...
Harry, don't! It's a trap!
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Post by: wyomingfox
...and they only cost three fitty each
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Post by: Kroothawk
Harry wrote:Sorry if I missed it in the previous pages, but do we know when the SW wave may be coming?
I have heard it released both in the same month as the Nids and the same month as the Necrons ... from different people ... so take your pick.
straightsilver wrote:I must admit I haven't heard anything about a SW wave, but I believe that 'Nids do indeed have more kits ready than are going to be released.
And on some old stuff:
straightsilver wrote:If it's any consollation I have got a fair bit wrong, mainly from mis-interpretation, or mistaking wishlisting or conjecture for actual rumours from time to time.
I was way off with 'Nids, actually sat next to Jes Goodwin whilst he went through design ideas for the Harpy and Plastic Gargoyles without realising it was for the new 'Dex.
I thought the Harpy was a plastic Harridan, but in fairness the new 'Dex was months away at that point.
I also predicted that the 6th Edition boxed set would be Dark Angels vs Chaos, but was led to believe that it would two boxed sets with a different army in each, which in hindsight now seems way too unlikely.
I got Dark Eldar spot on, but only because I heard it straight from the horses mouth so to speak.
I swore Tau would be before Necrons..... oops. Have no idea where those Tau went.
I totally mis interpreted the advent of Finecast, but did predict metal blisters going direct only / disappearing, just didn't spot the Fine cast connection.
I have also just stated that Eldar definitely wont be 2012, that could backfire on me.....
However it is good to look back, and in all honesty Harry you haven't really been wrong on anything, I just think at the moment it's impossible to predict with any certainty what's happening.
It is possible to look at all the rumours from everybody though and piece together a pretty good idea, so I think it's goood that people do post rumours, as with absolutely no information coming at all we would never be able to build up any sort of picture.
And I'd have nothing to do at work all day......
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Post by: TBD
So despite all the rumours constistently having been saying "Chaos first codex AFTER new edition" there now is this Straightsilver (never seen his name before?) saying Chaos will be before the new edition and DA right after...
And the Guard waive rumour, was that Ghost's invention or not? I'm not sure it was.
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Post by: -Loki-
TBD wrote:So despite all the rumours constistently having been saying "Chaos first codex AFTER new edition" there now is this Straightsilver (never seen his name before?) saying Chaos will be before the new edition and DA right after...
StraightSilvers been around for a while and is decently reliable. He's been quiet lately though.
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Post by: Kroothawk
TBD wrote:And the Guard waive rumour, was that Ghost's invention or not? I'm not sure it was.
stickmonkey wrote:From when I first heard about it to now it seems the information I was given was misunderstood or miscommunicated to me. All indications are they are done, sprue designs ready to go, but that no packaging has been seen. If what I'm being told now is correct, its a ways off. Right now, my expectation is that it will come in a combined release month, but i dont have any new information as to when.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Q4 12 and Q1 13 as Hobbit quarters?
Yay. LOTR steals away half a year from the other two lines. Fantastic. As if the release schedule wasn't slow enough already.
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Post by: acekevin8412
You say it like it's actually news.
Honestly, who didn't expect LOTR to steal the spotlight what with the Hobbit coming out and all?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
For 6 months?
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Post by: Vermillion
Is it bad that I'll be glad to see the lotr stuff fail and go away and gw return to epic or rotating specialist games as a third seller again?
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Post by: Starfarer
Vermillion wrote:Is it bad that I'll be glad to see the lotr stuff fail and go away and gw return to epic or rotating specialist games as a third seller again?
No, I think that's what nearly everyone hopes for. I know there are some LOTR players out there, but GW abandoned our beloved Specialist Games first. After The Hobbit runs it's course, LOTR needs to get the "Specialist Games treatment" and be brushed under the table and left to die. I don't care if Specialist Games going forward only entails limited boxed set releases, as long as LOTR is no longer taking release slots from 40k and WHFB.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Vermillion wrote:Is it bad that I'll be glad to see the lotr stuff fail and go away and gw return to epic or rotating specialist games as a third seller again?
I don't want to see anyone get their game abandoned, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that GW won't renew its license when that comes up again in a few years. They've been holding onto the game waiting for The Hobbit to give it one last boost, far as I can tell. I won't be surprised if it fades into the background a year after The Hobbit.
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Post by: Riker210
So basically the next, ohhhh year or so is going to be even more _____ marine focused? YAY! (sarcasm).
Time to shelf the 40k for a few years until the fun stuff is updated/released.
*tips the cap, bows out*
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Post by: Kroothawk
Correct, first the Tyranid Chapter and the Necron Chapter of Space Marines
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Post by: IHateNids
That'd be a bit funny. Triarch Praetorians with rapid-fire plasma guns...
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Post by: StraightSilver
I'm afraid I am going to have retract my earlier rumours regarding release dates for 'Nids, Chaos and DA.
I had Choas down for June and DA for August, but it seems I am incapable of reading emails correctly so am now going to have to revise that.
I think I got a little bit over excited!
Also regarding when I quote Quarters for releases it doesn't necessarily mean that the whole Quarter will concentrate on those releases, it's just that the release will be at some point in those 3 months.
So Hobbit in Q4 as example means some time from October - December, but being Christmas quarter it is more likely to be in the first or second month.
Unfortunately it is difficult to be any more precise than that this early on for most releases.
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Post by: TheHarleqwin
Gah, all I care for is the potential release of anything Orks or Eldar, and the release time for 6th. I was going to customize me some Wraithguard, and almost decided to get the necessary items until I thought "Well, if they're potentially rolling out new plastics or resin in the next several months..."
Of course, with a little recon on google, it seems like people have been crying wolf online regarding new Wraithguard models for a couple years now.
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Post by: Ledabot
What is going on!? before crons came out, my tau were going to be coming out in march, and now its all screwed up. I don't get why we have two second waves one after the other ether. I can see one of thise months getting a slap of codex. GW has never broken the 2dex, 3dex, 2dex cycle. I really hope this isn't the first year.
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Post by: Deathly Angel
Would I be insane to believe that either 6th edition or the DA codex will come out once the picture on the WD spines is complete?
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Post by: Vampirate of Sartosa
Deathly Angel wrote:Would I be insane to believe that either 6th edition or the DA codex will come out once the picture on the WD spines is complete?
That's a perfectly reasonable guess.
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