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Post by: Kroothawk
Important edit see second half of post.
Posted on Warseer, another version of what may come in 40k:
Lord Commissar Aquila wrote:Ok, so I was talking with someone who has connections to one of the model designers, and this is what he told me:
1. The Eldar dex will be out right before the release of 6th edition. Phil Kelly is the writer, which is why he wasn't able to write up the Cron codex.
2. 6th Ed will be released in June or July of next year (2012) if everything goes to plan; its currently in playtesting right now.
3. The starter set might be the Fall of Damnos, but he said he wasn't completely sure it would be set there. It will include Space Marines, of course.
4. CSM will get one of the newest dexes in 6th, right after the Marine dex.
5. Tau and BT will get a release soon after CSM; other races updated in 5th will not be updated in 6th as their rules (at least from Guard onwards) are allready suited for 6th. Ward will probably do the BT and might do Tau as well. DA will probably not be updated anytime soon, because its not a popular army and GW does not want to waste money updating one or more armies that almost no one plays with a separate dex.
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He told me, in no uncertain terms, that Tau and BT will be getting an update soon after CSM (Tau first).
Fall of Damnos= Ultramarines vs. Necrons, contradicts with most other rumours.
Ward officially denied writing the Tau Codex.
On Black templars next:
Harry wrote:Sounds about right to me.
I certainly heard about these guys before heard much about Tau .... the order I hear about them was Necrons and Sisters at the same time, Black Templars then Tau.
Not sure what the story is with Sisters but they must be in the mix somewhere.
Edit: New information from 29th January:
Here a new/old version by Blood of Kittens http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/ :
BoK wrote:So I think with this little rumor gift from GW I want to reiterate something I have been reporting for the last year or so. Along with knowing now that the 6th box set is done and in production I want to clearly state what has not changed since the release of the Grey Knights.
The release schedule for 40k 2012 is…
April-May: Dark Angels/Fallen
June-Aug: 6th Ed
Oct-Nov: Chaos Space Marines
There is no Tau, no Black Templars, no Eldar. I want this on the record so strike me down if I am wrong! I am only re-reporting this schedule because I think people have been lead astray by all the false talk of other codices.
I also want to go on the record saying that the Chaos Space Marine codex will not be two books. That was an old rumor from about 5 years ago that got resurrected last year for some infernal reason.
As well another reminder that 6th ed leak pdf is a not the real deal!
Hastings statements on the starter box:
75hastings69 wrote:which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos
Interesting 
Fingers crossed...DA's and CSM.
Not "just" CSM
Demons too?
No
Cultists / Traitor Guardsmen perhaps?
Glad to see you back in rumor-mongery, Hastings.
Not back in, just lending credence to this as I know it's correct.
No, there are rumors that may be complete fabrications about BT, Tau, Eldar, and Chaos. Strangers on the net don't trump White Dwarf.
Agreed (etc. etc.)
I wouldn't think that these are the entirety of this year's possible releases - books perhaps, but I'd be surprised if there weren't one or two waves.
Correct (ish )
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I don't know if the spine images are anything to do with DA, 6th starter or the 25th year of 40k but I do know that most of the stuff posted is correct. 6th starter does indeed feature DA and the forces of chaos, including a nice plastic chaos dread
Summary:
Starter Set includes Dark Angels vs. Chaos. Chaos includes CSM, some traitor guard/cultists and a CSM deadnought.
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Post by: Deathly Angel
1. It'd be right that Phil Kelly is writing the Eldar codex, though before 6th, really? If it was that close, wouldn't we have heard about it already and got details on the models and rules?
3. Bleh, Newcrons in the starter set... Might make it a little harder for me to deny the existence of the new backround. With more people playing them. Whether the kids choose them over Ultramarines is another story.
4. Would marine dex refer to vanilla or another chapter? Black Templars was mentioned as coming soon, and I really doubt that a new vanilla marine dex coming out so soon. Assuming that this is true, it would be a low marketing ploy by GW. On the brighter side, it might be an opportunity to fix some of the Ultramarines fanwank by Mr Ward.
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Post by: Ostrakon
1. Cool, I just hope they get solid rules. Phil's the obvious choice for giving the eldar some decent fluff, but his rules aren't as solid as Ward's, IMO.
2. Cool! I'll finally have an excuse to get the big nasty hardcover rulebook.
3. That'd actually make sense, but even as a 'cron player I'd probably rather see something like SM vs Eldar or maybe Guard vs Tyranids.
4. Again, yay.
5. No surprises there. What else would need a new 'dex, though? Maybe some other marine chapters, or perhaps we'd be lucky enough to get some legion-specific codices?
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Post by: chaos0xomega
I don't believe it. The order of releases according to this are:
Eldar
6th Edition
Marines
Chaos
Tau/BT
BT/Tau
6th is slated for June/July timeframe, with eldar being "right before". That means the schedule should look kinda like:
April/May - Eldar
June/July 2012 - 6th Edition
August/September 2012 - Marines
October/November 2012 - Chaos
January/February 2013 - Tau/BT
April/May 2013 - BT/Tau
They might need to be spread out some more, but that means there is no 40k release scheduled at all next year until Late Spring/Early summer...
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Post by: mjl7atlas
Not enough people play DA??? I am surprised at that comment. I know quite a few people (myself included) that are waiting for such an updated codex (I know, I know, we got a FAQ.....I want my codex).
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Post by: Dravenguild
If Kelly is working on Eldar, and Ward possibly Tau and Black templars, does that mean crud is going to write chaos? And we'll get an even worse codex than now?
Speculation, maybe, overreacting, just a bit. But I want kelly on board the Chaos codex.
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Post by: Powerguy
1. Not really buying this one (aside from Kelly as the writer/Jes Goodwin as lead designer whenever Eldar does get done, imo it's basically a given). I'm pretty sure that no one wants their codex to be released just before a new rulebook/edition (so much potential to go wrong in the changeover) but I really doubt that Eldar will be a 5th edition book. The expected addition of flier rules, inevitable changes to the vehicle rules and possible changes to skimmers/movement speeds/cover and host of other things will all have a huge effect on Eldar (who are very reliant on mobile warfare) and I really don't see how they can work as a codex which bridges between 5th and 6th properly. Tau also fall into this category to some extent, they still have skimmers etc, they just don't rely on them exclusively so would probably work a bit better than Eldar. Ideally I think you want a Imperial codex just before an edition changeover, as they tend to have less exotic wargear/rules which can cause issues with rule changeovers. However I can certainly buy that work on new Eldar models/rules has already started, the release date is going to be more up in the air at this stage.
2. Haven't seen anything saying otherwise
3. Including Space Marines in the starter set does mean that Chaos Marines in the starter is unlikely. One thing I could believe is that if the codex release just before 6th is a Xeno codex (which from a timeline/GW policy POV it probably will be) it will be the other half of the starter box.
4. In line with the rumour that Chaos is going to be a much bigger factor in the fluff + everyone has been waiting for a proper Chaos Legions book since the current codex showed up.
Harry's rumours somewhat contradict the ones above it but are more in line with existing rumours and make sense considering GW have been sticking to the Imperial/Xenos/Imperial/Xenos codex release schedule. Templars next (Feb?) then Tau April/May (could be Eldar I guess, Tau more likely) then 6th edition in June/July. Then you get nilla Marines, followed by Chaos, followed by Sisters (maybe?) followed by Eldar. If they break the Imperial/Xeno release trend then things get almost impossible to predict.
@chaos0xomega. Templars are by far the most likely candidate for the next codex/early next year release. Its almost certainly going to be Imperial (so not Eldar or Tau), DA are doing ok for the moment with the FAQ updates and Sisters just got shot in the foot with a PDF codex update, which really just leaves Templars.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I think this is false, and I think it’s false because I really don’t think GW would just come out and say DA are unpopular therefore they’re not getting any support. GW may make some boneheaded business decisions, but assassinating a product line like that isn’t one of them.
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Post by: catharsix
I wouldn't mind it if they did Necrons in the big box, that would make it much more justifiable to me to buy it, since I'm focusing on the Newcrons from now on. But since all other rumors have indicated CSM, I'm skeptical. But, with the new policies of GW regarding rumors and such, I am not going to put much faith in anything that isn't coming out within more than four weeks in the future.
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Post by: Defeatmyarmy
H.B.M.C. wrote:I think this is false, and I think it’s false because I really don’t think GW would just come out and say DA are unpopular therefore they’re not getting any support. GW may make some boneheaded business decisions, but assassinating a product line like that isn’t one of them.
I gotta agree. I have seen at least 2 Dark Angel players in local tournaments still after coming back into the hobby after 6 month break. I was actually considering a Ravenwing army after the new edition came out, but if theyre not going to release a new Dex, Necrons may be the final purchase unless the Chaos codex is remade to my liking.
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Post by: thevirus
WTF,, the smurfs get another codex,,the main reason why I play CSM!!
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Post by: Absolutionis
Eldar came out near the end of the cycle last time and they were mostly forgotten by the time 5th edition came out. It's disappointing that they'd do this again.
I'm hoping that 6th edition will be better balanced than 5th edition, but shoving Eldar near the end may result in a "Falcons are awesome! Oh now they suck!" scenario.
Keeping suit with the Marines-NotMarines-Marines-Notmarines trend of 5thEd Marinehammer, earlier rumors pointed towards Tau being next in line after Robot Marines. This new batch is quite the radical shift yet it does continue the trend with Robot Marines -> Eldar -> Chaos Marines -> Tau -> Crusader Marines.
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Post by: SickSix
Ward officially denied writing the Tau Codex.
THERE IS A GOD!!
And these rumors seem to be contradictory to ALL other rumors just about. so there is not going to be ANY other 5th ED updates besides Eldar? Seems like a long gap of nothing new.
And I also call BS on the DA comments. With the Horus Heresy series and all, I just refuse to believe the DA aren't going to get their due.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Keep in mind that this is just one version of what release order will be. Other older rumours have other versions.
E.g. ghost21 thinks BT next, then Tau.
The unpopular=No Codex argument is nonsense, some of the most successful releases were of "unpopular" armies (Wood Elves, Dark Eldar, Necrons).
Starter sounds very odd, but then again those Daemons vs BT rumours were odd as well.
CSM Codex could have be mistaken for the Legions Codex, and the SM Codex falsely assumed as a given.
At least another source speaking of 6th edition next year.
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Post by: CpatTom
This is interesting. I must keep tabs on this new rumour bringer. The truth will be shown here in the next few months.
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Post by: Brother SRM
thevirus wrote:WTF,, the smurfs get another codex,,the main reason why I play CSM!!
The most popular army gets a new codex in a new edition, why are you at all surprised?
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Post by: Apostle Pat
I'll take my BT's sooner thank you!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.
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Post by: Apostle Pat
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.
As long as they're amazing... I'm fine with however long it takes. 
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Post by: SickSix
Apostle Pat wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.
As long as they're amazing... I'm fine with however long it takes.
But are you fine with however much it may cost?
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Post by: Apostle Pat
SickSix wrote:Apostle Pat wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.
As long as they're amazing... I'm fine with however long it takes.
But are you fine with however much it may cost?
Haha, good point... better start saving now.
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Post by: Ouze
I'd like to reiterate my belief that the new starter set will be Ultramarines vs Ultramarines, and they both win.
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Post by: Brother SRM
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ever since the Dark Angel release I've been waiting to see what GW would do with a new Black Templar sprue. Sadly it'll be continuing the trend of 5 models for the price of 10, as has become all the rage in 40K these days, but I'm sure they'll look amazing.
I don't think this will be the case. Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, and Grey Knights are all more elite units that you generally won't have all that many of. I present the Space Wolves squad as my case. There's precedent for either, especially recently, but I can see a 10 man box happening.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I can see something annoying like a 6 Marine/4 Scout box happening as well.
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Post by: d-usa
From the various podcasts, I have heard that there was a rumor that the Prefered Enemy USR might be changed to apply to shooting as well in 6E, of course this is only based on the fact that a very shooty Necron unit has Prefered Enemy.
But they were saying that if Prefered Enemy was going to apply to shooting as well, then Black Templars are going to be insanely powerful.
So if that is true then I can see a BT release pretty close to the 6th edition launch.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
They could just counteract that by FAQing the Black Templars to only apply PE to close combat when they release the mass FAQs at the start of the new edition.
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Post by: Hytanthas
MasterSlowPoke wrote:They could just counteract that by FAQing the Black Templars to only apply PE to close combat when they release the mass FAQs at the start of the new edition.
This would be all to nice to receive. Do you think that will happen? I for one do not.
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Post by: Sasori
Interesting new rumors. Not sure what to believe at this point. I'm just happy I've got my new Crons.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
Hytanthas wrote:MasterSlowPoke wrote:They could just counteract that by FAQing the Black Templars to only apply PE to close combat when they release the mass FAQs at the start of the new edition.
This would be all to nice to receive. Do you think that will happen? I for one do not.
It happened for Fantasy, so I see no reason to not expect it for 40k.
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Post by: AlexHolker
H.B.M.C. wrote:I think this is false, and I think it’s false because I really don’t think GW would just come out and say DA are unpopular therefore they’re not getting any support. GW may make some boneheaded business decisions, but assassinating a product line like that isn’t one of them.
We must be thinking of a different GW - that's precisely the sort of boneheaded business decision I expect out of GW. The only thing that's at all strange about it is that the one they picked is actually a good choice: better the most redundant of all flavours of Space Marines than the army that's been stuck with the same metal Troops since 1997.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
...Is it wrong to feel sick for CSM being pushed after SM according to this?
Really now?
Really?
I'm hoping this is wrong. Seriously. But the problem is...this would make an annoying amount of sense for GW's somewhat haphazard approach to things as well.
Oh hey, let's update the Spehs Mareens every edition while every other army has this habit of lingering an edition or two behind.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Powerguy wrote:
@chaos0xomega. Templars are by far the most likely candidate for the next codex/early next year release. Its almost certainly going to be Imperial (so not Eldar or Tau), DA are doing ok for the moment with the FAQ updates and Sisters just got shot in the foot with a PDF codex update, which really just leaves Templars.
The thing is, Templars are doing OK after the FAQ as well, so it might just as well be DA that are up next.
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Post by: El'Johnson
Lord Commissar Aquila wrote: DA will probably not be updated anytime soon, because its not a popular army and GW does not want to waste money updating one or more armies that almost no one plays with a separate dex.
I have been very interested in the rumours around 6th edition and Dark Angels and there appears to be rumours at both extremes, one minute we are getting them in the new box set the next we dont dont exist. My thoughts on this are "Seems a lot of talk about Dark Angels".
I think saying no one plays with them is a little unfair GW can change the fortunes of an army when ever they want. Sales are going to be based on how good the dex is you bring out a great rules set and people will start collecting them its that simple. Would be good to see a new Eldar Dex being rumoured soon as I dont get to see them on the table much anymore.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
DarkStarSabre wrote:Oh hey, let's update the Spehs Mareens every edition while every other army has this habit of lingering an edition or two behind.
Yeah, the hard choice between making more money and making less money.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
Ah, the joys of corporate greed. 1% of the Space has 99% of the Traitors....Occupy the Eye of Terror and all that.
It's something they do. Fair enough. But it's bloody annoying that a SM codex is shoe-horned into every release schedule when there are still Codices from what will then be 2 editions previous that need updating - and two of those are SM codices!
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Annoying? Perhaps. It still makes business sense, and if we want GW to stay afloat we should laud any glimmer of rational thought they show.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
We tried to. They slapped on some bizarre price increases as a result (Why hi there Finecast) with some questionable quality.
I'd not be surprised if the CSM codex was the first 'hardback' and they tried to laud it as a sign of how 'hard' the army was (Anyone remember WFB Orcs? That was cringeworthy).
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Post by: Korraz
View it the other way around: SM are always sure to take a slot off the first view releases that have an All New Policy that will get thrown out of the window after the third codex anway.
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Post by: LazzurusMan
chaos0xomega wrote:I don't believe it. The order of releases according to this are:
Eldar
6th Edition
Marines
Chaos
Tau/BT
BT/Tau
6th is slated for June/July timeframe, with eldar being "right before". That means the schedule should look kinda like:
April/May - Eldar
June/July 2012 - 6th Edition
August/September 2012 - Marines
October/November 2012 - Chaos
January/February 2013 - Tau/BT
April/May 2013 - BT/Tau
They might need to be spread out some more, but that means there is no 40k release scheduled at all next year until Late Spring/Early summer...
The idea of there not being a 40k release till late spring does fit in with what I've seen about fantasy releases, apparently VC are too be updated in January, and there will also be the second waves of things such as Tyranids and Necrons to be thrown in there somewhere....
This is entirely speculation of course, so don't quote me on this XD
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Post by: Ouze
His Master's Voice wrote:DarkStarSabre wrote:Oh hey, let's update the Spehs Mareens every edition while every other army has this habit of lingering an edition or two behind.
Yeah, the hard choice between making more money and making less money.
We haven't established if other races are less popular just because they aren't as popular, or because they get so little exposure, comparatively. It's kind of a chicken and egg situation.
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Post by: TBD
I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?
If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
DarkStarSabre wrote:...Is it wrong to feel sick for CSM being pushed after SM according to this?
It's an unsubstantiated rumor by a dude who's never posted a rumor before. There's no need to feel anything.
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Post by: Norn King
interesting
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Post by: Absolutionis
TBD wrote:I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?
If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.
Just because a model has been finished doesn't mean there's any reason to release it.
That Craftworld Eldar Jetbike from 2006-2007 has been finished for years now and still hasn't been released.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
El'Johnson wrote:
I have been very interested in the rumours around 6th edition and Dark Angels and there appears to be rumours at both extremes, one minute we are getting them in the new box set the next we dont dont exist.
Sir, kind sir, I would strongly caution you not to refer to your toy soldiers (however beloved they may be) in the first person.
It makes you seem... disturbed.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Ya know, there has been a ton of rumor mongering about Tau and Black Templar, then Chaos comes in-we all get pretty much set for these guys, then *POW!!* Eldar then Space Marines, out of nowhere. We have two choices here-the new Eldar then Marines information is bunk, or...GWs tightening of rumors is actually working a helluva lot better than expected and they're feeding false information to their leakers. Making us all get pissed off when speculations fail. Personally I'd rather see BT, Tau, CSM THEN Eldar and SM.
Not gonna lie, I couldn't care less about the Gaga's-I mean sisters. But we do need the rest updated. Dark Angels also deserve love, but they are so much more similar to SMs (in playstyle only-not fluff!!) that they could just have Beliel, Sammael and the Libby fixed up and thrown in white dwarf. Everything else should be fine as is, just play them out of the SM book. The only things they have different from SM is troop termies from Beliel, and those termies can mix and match weapons. Let Beliel unlock them and mix and match between tactical and assault termies-job done. I can understand them not seeing a serious update, but BT (oldest codex now), Tau (worst codex), CSM (boring codex, to you haters-I like it but want new stuff) and Eldar all need an update worse than others. I hope this new rumor is a joke and/or GW trying to throw out false information to throw us off.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Another version by "The Man They Call Jayne" http://secondsphere.org/index.php/topic,129654.0.html :
I have heard a few rumours for the GW high up through a mate. His source is GWs own Phil Kelly, who has just started work on the Tau Codex.
1) 6th ed boxset is set to be Eldar Vs CSMs, as they will be the among the first 6th ed codexes.
2) Eldar will be first, then Tau or CSMs
3) Force org in 6th is undergoing a fairly interesting change. Slots will be as they are, but you can sacrifice 2 FOC slots to gain an extra one somewhere else. you can drop 2 fasts and get an extra heavy. Or a heavy and a fast and get an elite. Only thing you cant get is extra HQs i think.
ghost21 wrote:I have to say that 6th isn't Necrons or Eldar, it's Chaos. I do know for a while 2 starter sets were planned
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Post by: Brother SRM
Two starter sets sounds completely bogus. Everything else sounds interesting, but by those same rumors we won't see Tau until 2014 which I sincerely doubt.
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Post by: SickSix
It's so easy to sound credible when you just drop a name here and there.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
Kroothawk wrote:Another version by "The Man They Call Jayne" http://secondsphere.org/index.php/topic,129654.0.html :
I have heard a few rumours for the GW high up through a mate. His source is GWs own Phil Kelly, who has just started work on the Tau Codex.
1) 6th ed boxset is set to be Eldar Vs CSMs, as they will be the among the first 6th ed codexes.
2) Eldar will be first, then Tau or CSMs
3) Force org in 6th is undergoing a fairly interesting change. Slots will be as they are, but you can sacrifice 2 FOC slots to gain an extra one somewhere else. you can drop 2 fasts and get an extra heavy. Or a heavy and a fast and get an elite. Only thing you cant get is extra HQs i think.
Hrmm. This is sort of conflicting against a lot of folks being told CSM are one of the first if not the first after 6th ed.
But the dropping two slots for an extra? Ugh. That there is the Iron Warriors mistake. Right there.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I have to agree. A structure like that is terrible. If you're giving something up that you were never going to take in the first place then you're not really giving it up, are you? It's the reason why the Iron Warriors and Night Lords rules weren't great and why the Doctrine and Trait Systems were bad.
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Post by: Sarigar
Not a fan of that type of FOC tweaking. In 40K, spamming units work very well (if one unit works well, two will work better etc...)and this just opens it up to more spamming.
I've read various rumors regarding Tau in more detail than any of the other armies, so I'd be surprised if Tau were not the next codex.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Ouze wrote:We haven't established if other races are less popular just because they aren't as popular, or because they get so little exposure, comparatively. It's kind of a chicken and egg situation.
Sure. Still, making lots of money with relatively little risk involved beats making lots money with a nontrivial amount of risk involved.
Anyway, as far as I can remember, Marines got so popular mostly on their own, back when GW treated marketing and customer profiling like a leprous beggar. Very much like today really, only back then it was ignorance, today it seems to be a conscious choice.
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Post by: Kazwulf
I heard the Dark Angels were hiring Creed ... Gork only knows where they'll pop up, if ever.
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Post by: TBD
Absolutionis wrote:TBD wrote:I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?
If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.
Just because a model has been finished doesn't mean there's any reason to release it.
That Craftworld Eldar Jetbike from 2006-2007 has been finished for years now and still hasn't been released.
Not a model, supposedly all the models, and Marine models at that, which in GW's world usually have priority over Eldar Jetbikes and such.
If they indeed have the Black Templar models finishes they are not going to wait almost an entire year releasing them (according to these new rumours).
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Post by: wuestenfux
Absolutionis wrote:Eldar came out near the end of the cycle last time and they were mostly forgotten by the time 5th edition came out. It's disappointing that they'd do this again.
I'm hoping that 6th edition will be better balanced than 5th edition, but shoving Eldar near the end may result in a "Falcons are awesome! Oh now they suck!" scenario.
Keeping suit with the Marines-NotMarines-Marines-Notmarines trend of 5thEd Marinehammer, earlier rumors pointed towards Tau being next in line after Robot Marines. This new batch is quite the radical shift yet it does continue the trend with Robot Marines -> Eldar -> Chaos Marines -> Tau -> Crusader Marines.
As an addicted Eldar player this is exactly my concern, Eldar coming out before the new edition and made worth with the new release, as could have been seen from the last incarnation of the Eldar 'dex. Could become disappointing again.
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Post by: I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly
wuestenfux wrote:Absolutionis wrote:Eldar came out near the end of the cycle last time and they were mostly forgotten by the time 5th edition came out. It's disappointing that they'd do this again.
I'm hoping that 6th edition will be better balanced than 5th edition, but shoving Eldar near the end may result in a "Falcons are awesome! Oh now they suck!" scenario.
Keeping suit with the Marines-NotMarines-Marines-Notmarines trend of 5thEd Marinehammer, earlier rumors pointed towards Tau being next in line after Robot Marines. This new batch is quite the radical shift yet it does continue the trend with Robot Marines -> Eldar -> Chaos Marines -> Tau -> Crusader Marines.
As an addicted Eldar player this is exactly my concern, Eldar coming out before the new edition and made worth with the new release, as could have been seen from the last incarnation of the Eldar 'dex. Could become disappointing again.
Well, in this case I share your concern, but the current Eldar codex came out in 2006 - 4th edition was 2005 and 5th came in 2008. So Eldar were actually the hot new thing for the majority of 4th edition - its just that 4th edition was very short! They were arguably the best around for a good 2 years, and they didn't suddenly become useless in 5th edition, they were just overtaken, along with everything else, by the most recent books. I think a lot of Eldar players underestimate how long they had under the sun.
Pedantry aside, I definitely agree. Better to be one of the codexes just after the new edition.
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Post by: Davor
Dravenguild wrote:If Kelly is working on Eldar, and Ward possibly Tau and Black templars, does that mean crud is going to write chaos? And we'll get an even worse codex than now?
Speculation, maybe, overreacting, just a bit. But I want kelly on board the Chaos codex.
Knowing my luck, since I am a Tyranid player, he wrote Tyranids, and will then write Dark Angels. :( Automatically Appended Next Post: About the comment of Dark Angels that nobody plays. If this was true, then why did we get Necrons and Dark Eldar then? I thought there was more DA players before the new DE and Necron codecies.
I am sure this statement is false, otherwise, GW woudn't have gambled on DE. Same for Necrons. If anything this Proves that GW does take chances.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Cruddace has never written a Marine codex, and I don't think he will any time soon. Just doesn't seem like his forte.
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Post by: wuestenfux
I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:wuestenfux wrote:Absolutionis wrote:Eldar came out near the end of the cycle last time and they were mostly forgotten by the time 5th edition came out. It's disappointing that they'd do this again.
I'm hoping that 6th edition will be better balanced than 5th edition, but shoving Eldar near the end may result in a "Falcons are awesome! Oh now they suck!" scenario.
Keeping suit with the Marines-NotMarines-Marines-Notmarines trend of 5thEd Marinehammer, earlier rumors pointed towards Tau being next in line after Robot Marines. This new batch is quite the radical shift yet it does continue the trend with Robot Marines -> Eldar -> Chaos Marines -> Tau -> Crusader Marines.
As an addicted Eldar player this is exactly my concern, Eldar coming out before the new edition and made worth with the new release, as could have been seen from the last incarnation of the Eldar 'dex. Could become disappointing again.
Well, in this case I share your concern, but the current Eldar codex came out in 2006 - 4th edition was 2005 and 5th came in 2008. So Eldar were actually the hot new thing for the majority of 4th edition - its just that 4th edition was very short! They were arguably the best around for a good 2 years, and they didn't suddenly become useless in 5th edition, they were just overtaken, along with everything else, by the most recent books. I think a lot of Eldar players underestimate how long they had under the sun.
Pedantry aside, I definitely agree. Better to be one of the codexes just after the new edition.
Well, I've obviously forgotten how long we are under the sun. We can hope that the new Eldar 'dex is written with the 6ed rules in mind whatever rule changes we can expert.
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Post by: AresX8
Kroothawk wrote:
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3) Force org in 6th is undergoing a fairly interesting change. Slots will be as they are, but you can sacrifice 2 FOC slots to gain an extra one somewhere else. you can drop 2 fasts and get an extra heavy. Or a heavy and a fast and get an elite. Only thing you cant get is extra HQs i think.
ghost21 wrote:I have to say that 6th isn't Necrons or Eldar, it's Chaos. I do know for a while 2 starter sets were planned
This would be one of the most incredible changes for 6th edition I can think can happen. It's internal balance in my eyes.
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Post by: geordie09
TBD wrote:I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?
If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.
I do'nt believe they actually exist... they wouldn't have been made finecost if they had been developing new minis surely!
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
geordie09 wrote:TBD wrote:I thought I just read in one of the other threads that the Templar models have already been finished for a while and have actually been seen by one of the usual rumour people (he commented that the Sword Brethren look very good) ?
If that is the case I can't imagine GW will wait that long to release them.
I do'nt believe they actually exist... they wouldn't have been made finecost if they had been developing new minis surely!
Actually, I believe they do exist. We've seen the Craftworld jetbikes and we've known about them for years. Likewise the Seekers of Slaanesh were seen 3-up a good few years before even released. I have no doubt things get designed and made and then just left sitting around until they have sufficient amounts for a 'wave' or sufficient demand for a release.
Except Tyranids.
We ain't never seeing a Wave 2. I've come to accept that.
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Post by: Brother SRM
AresX8 wrote:
This would be one of the most incredible changes for 6th edition I can think can happen. It's internal balance in my eyes.
You know that's how the Iron Warriors worked in the old codex, right? I wouldn't shed a tear if I could take another Vindicator instead of having the option of taking two units of Chaos Bikers or one of the Chaos Marines' myriad other great fast attack choices! The FoC isn't perfect but it works.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Do not curse the prospects for a future Tyranid release by saying it will never happen!
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
H.B.M.C. wrote:I think this is false, and I think it’s false because I really don’t think GW would just come out and say DA are unpopular therefore they’re not getting any support. GW may make some boneheaded business decisions, but assassinating a product line like that isn’t one of them.
I agree with you there, I mean last time they said a army was un-popular was the squats, and look what happened there....
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Post by: Melissia
Joy, Sisters are only casually mentioned. Ah well, at least I still have my awesome Guard codex...
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Post by: boyd
Kroothawk wrote:Posted on Warseer, another version of what may come in 40k:
Lord Commissar Aquila wrote:DA will probably not be updated anytime soon, because its not a popular army and GW does not want to waste money updating one or more armies that almost no one plays with a separate dex.
(...)
That kind of irks me since the entire reason I started playing 40K was because of the Dark Angels. Their fluff, models, and army character offer the gamer a ton of ways to make a cool army. The reason nobody plays them is because the codex was poorly written in 3rd, 4th, and 5th Edition. It took an Eratta/ FAQ article to make the army playable again. Its not popular because GW has sunk the army. Its supposed to be a futuristic cavalry army - lots of bikes, attack bikes, speeders, and heavy armored marines dropping into support the cavalry right when they get in the thick of fighting. Now basic marines with Khan are better. They were the original All Terminator Army... but why play DA when GW made the SW a more viable terminator army? You can do everything the DA can do with more options. They are supposed to have some of the BEST psychers - unfortunately now GW made the Gray Knights who can do everything marines can do but better. Their chaplains inspired fear amongst other space marine chapters, now they don't even have a chaplain special character and the BT and BA have crazy chaplains. Sometime in 3rd Edition they became the army that has lots of plasma weapons?! and its stuck with them since that time.
The only consistent thing from 2nd edition to the current edition is that their terminators are fearless. Outside of that the Dark Angels have really lost their flavor as someone else can do their job better. Where are the Dark Angels that have killed other loyalists to keep their dark secret a secret? Where are the chaplains who would kill/send IG platoons on suicide missions when they caught site of a Fallen Angel? The Dark Angels are ruthless. They are the Angels of Death. Who else would search for their own fallen comrades in order to torture them to death to find more or even a hint at more.
Out of all of the space marine chapters, they need to update this chapter more than the others.
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Post by: andrewm9
I wouldn't put much stock in the Dark Angel comment. Other than the Ravenwing kits how do they differentiate the rest of the Dark Angel sales from other Space Marine models? The answer is they can't. The only difference is a dark coat of green paint with wings and sword somewhere.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Small tidbit from Warseer about 6th edition that may fit here:
shaso_iceborn wrote:except in the new edition everything is based on percentages not force organization, Just a bone I am throwing based on what my source says.
epicusmaximus wrote:Can confirm the percentage thing
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Post by: Hulksmash
God I hope not....Then that joke of a GK army with 20+ Razorbacks is going actually be legit.....
Though for some armies that could be fun. I mean I run out of slots with my Dark Angel book so that would be nice. Also tend to run out with my Nids. Also percentages would help with Nid anti-tank....
On second thought I don't know. I'd have to see the way it's laid out. Like the maximums for FA, Heavy, and Elite...
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Post by: Brother SRM
My only problem with a percentage-based system is that it likely won't be possible to run my Crimson Fists with minimum tac squads and plenty of Sternguard. I'm not opposed to the idea altogether though.
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Post by: Salacious Greed
You would believe that with the rumored FAQ/6th Ed update sheet for all the old codexes, that HQs that change the current FOC structure should also change percentages, etc. in the new system. Thus, Sternguard would fall under a different column for percentage if Pedro Kantor is your HQ. But, it's hard to make educated guesses with a 'seat of their pants' approach to changing the game, not to make it better, but to sell a new edition. Yay.
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Post by: lunarman
Hmm, percentage is good and bad,
Free-er to play with but harder to check if it's right
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Post by: Breotan
Remember back last year when GW said the new edition would not feature a xenos or "Son of Guilliman"? Many people speculated that would be BT/Chaos or SoB/Chaos. So, either they've abandoned that position (gasp) or these rumors aren't accurate about the new starter.
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Post by: andrewm9
Breotan wrote:Remember back last year when GW said the new edition would not feature a xenos or "Son of Guilliman"? Many people speculated that would be BT/Chaos or SoB/Chaos. So, either they've abandoned that position (gasp) or these rumors aren't accurate about the new starter.
That was definitely a rumor as GW didn't say anything of the sort, but one of the rumor mongers mentioned it.
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Post by: wyomingfox
andrewm9 wrote:Breotan wrote:Remember back last year when GW said the new edition would not feature a xenos or "Son of Guilliman"? Many people speculated that would be BT/Chaos or SoB/Chaos. So, either they've abandoned that position (gasp) or these rumors aren't accurate about the new starter.
That was definitely a rumor as GW didn't say anything of the sort, but one of the rumor mongers mentioned it.
BOK's TastyTaste is the gentleman that Breotan is quoting. Ghost first stated that the new box set would feature BT and Deamons. MadCowCrazy (whom I assume was quoting someone else) later stated BT and CSM. Ghost21 most recently stated that the starter set would include BT and a combined force of CSM and Deamons (He seemed to hint that this would represent a Chaos Legions force).
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Post by: daniel79
4th edition release
Chaos Daemons May 2008
Orks January 2008
Chaos Space Marines September 2007
Hope we get 5th edition codexes before 6th edition comes out. Of course hoping these armies don't get the Necron treatment of being ignored for a few years.
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Post by: Absolutionis
The percentages thing seems suspicious if only because that's what Fantasy does and it's only natural to assume 40k will follow suit.
Then again, I wouldn't mind being able to take three Tyranid Primes. I'm just afraid of modeling them and having them completely invalidated by the time 7th edition comes along.
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Post by: Red Corsair
FOC would be fine if they just adjusted it more based on points. It's silly now that in 500 pt games I can field 2 HQ choices and in 2500 pt games it doesn't open up more. Same in every slot. I won't knock percentages until I see how they handle it this go around but it was stupid in 2nd...
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Post by: Miguelsan
My IG welcomes the rumored FOC changes warmly, I´ll trade the all the elite and troop slots I dont use for more HS
M.
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Post by: Alex0077
I second that FOC swapping for my Imp Guard. Although I would have to buy more models then, but hey who wouldn't want to use 15 vendettas...
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Post by: Brother SRM
Absolutionis wrote:The percentages thing seems suspicious if only because that's what Fantasy does and it's only natural to assume 40k will follow suit.
Then again, I wouldn't mind being able to take three Tyranid Primes. I'm just afraid of modeling them and having them completely invalidated by the time 7th edition comes along.
40k did in 2nd edition, but back then you could basically play 40k vs. Fantasy since the rules were more similar than they are now.
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Post by: endtransmission
Alex0077 wrote:I second that FOC swapping for my Imp Guard. Although I would have to buy more models then, but hey who wouldn't want to use 15 vendettas...
15 vendettas? Hell, just imagine how many Rapier Laser Destroyers you could field using percentages!
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Post by: Dysartes
endtransmission wrote:15 vendettas? Hell, just imagine how many Rapier Laser Destroyers you could field using percentages!
Cue the evil laughter - and the empty bank account...
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Post by: Sarigar
If they went to percentages (which they utilized in 2nd edition), then we would have a FOC requirements and percentages?
What would that really accomplish? I don't forsee it forcing us to buy more models to existing armies and I don't see how the current FOC is unbalanced; it appears to give players enough flexibility to build the kind of army they want, generally speaking.
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Post by: The Dark Saga
Having just got into playing WHFB myself, I like the percentage system, but it could benefit from some tweaks. For example, having a certain HQ change the points requirement for troops, or if you go with 1 HQ at a low percentage then allowing you to include a higher percentage of elites. There are tons of possible options that would truly allow us to field the army of our choice.
Of course, some in-balances could occur, but the rules don't have to be the same for each codex. Just a thought I've had with my buddies after a few cases of beer.
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Post by: Sasori
I hope there is some restriction, in addition to the percentages.
I really don't want to be across the tabletop from 9 Hydras and 3 Manticores.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Sarigar wrote:What would that really accomplish?
Selling more models. Remove restrictions = people bring whatever they want = people buy more.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Sasori wrote:I hope there is some restriction, in addition to the percentages.
I really don't want to be across the tabletop from 9 Hydras and 3 Manticores.
Or 12 Valkyries, loaded to the brim with Veteran squads! 
I'm not gonna lie. I like the restrictions being removed. It means I can haul out all my Sentinels more often.
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Post by: Experiment 626
Sarigar wrote:If they went to percentages (which they utilized in 2nd edition), then we would have a FOC requirements and percentages?
What would that really accomplish? I don't forsee it forcing us to buy more models to existing armies and I don't see how the current FOC is unbalanced; it appears to give players enough flexibility to build the kind of army they want, generally speaking.
If you play marines the chart is likely perfectly fine. Of corse, anyone who has access to multiple units that cost less than 11pts/model will argue otherwise! It's too easy to fill up all your slots in larger games and still have pts left over.
The FOC needs a change really. At the very least, it needs to scale upwards as more pts are added to the table, considering it takes 3k before you can ignore it entirely. But really, why can't we have 3 HQ's in games 2000-2999pts?! And why only 6 Troops slots? (I know alot of ork & 'nid players who would love to field more basic mobs/broods) Heck, considering how Daemons are currently shoehorned into requiring at least 3 if not 4 small 5-man horror squads just to gain access to proper anti-tank, it sucks that I can only have 6 troops slots!
I wouldn't mind a change over to a percentage system, as it has worked out very well in fantasy. The other thing people are forgetting, in fantasy there's also hardcaps on the number of like units you can take. (no quadruple specials, no tripple rares untill you hit 3k+)
So for 40k, it could work something like 'no quadruple elites/fast, no tripple heavy untill 2.5K+ or something similar... Transports I would imagine would count towards the section of the unit they're bought for.
As for things like the newcron court getting slapping silly, remember also that under fantasy's system, units/options which don't count towards the total of something don't count against the percentage cap either! (ie: units of direwolves "don't count towards the minimum core unit requirement", thus, they don't count as part of your minimum 25% you must take!) So a royal court would still be expensive, but it won't count as part of your max 'X'% on HQ.
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Post by: Byte
I would welcome a change in FOC, but not holding my breath.
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Post by: The Dark Saga
Kanluwen wrote:Sasori wrote:I hope there is some restriction, in addition to the percentages.
I really don't want to be across the tabletop from 9 Hydras and 3 Manticores.
Or 12 Valkyries, loaded to the brim with Veteran squads!
I'm not gonna lie. I like the restrictions being removed. It means I can haul out all my Sentinels more often.
My friends and I have a running joke of showing up to an apocalypse game with nothing but Eldar War Walkers and 1 Farseer.
Us: We brought 5,000 points of Eldar.
Them: Cool. What units did you bring?
Us: 40 squads of War Walkers. And a Farseer!
Them: Get out, and don't come back.
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Post by: agnosto
I'm sure if they did percentages in 40k it would look an aweful lot like current fantasy. Lord=HQ, Heroes=Elite, Special=fast, Rare=heavy with all the current % and unit number limitations.
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Post by: Dysartes
agnosto wrote:I'm sure if they did percentages in 40k it would look an aweful lot like current fantasy. Lord=HQ, Heroes=Elite, Special=fast, Rare=heavy with all the current % and unit number limitations.
Similar, but I doubt that'd be the exact way of doing it. I'd expect us to keep the same categories as we have now, with min/max %'s. Possibly something like:
Hq: Max 25% (minimum of one selection)
Troops: Min 25%
Elites/ FA/ HS: Max 25% each
Troops might get a bit higher, HQ and Elites might get a touch lower, but I doubt it'd vary too much from that.
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Post by: Claimh_Solais
WHY do so meny off you think Vanilla marines vill be out next year?!
we have no rumors at all on marines , the codex they have is good as it is , dont think thet will get a new one only because they are marines
think i will be
Templars (MARINE BOK)
6ed
eldar
chaos legions
tau
HOPE it will be
Templars
SISTERS
6ed
Chaos
tau
eldar
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Post by: Sidstyler
WHY do so meny off you think Vanilla marines vill be out next year?!
Because they're always the first ones up after a new edition?
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Post by: Sasori
Claimh_Solais wrote:WHY do so meny off you think Vanilla marines vill be out next year?!
we have no rumors at all on marines , the codex they have is good as it is , dont think thet will get a new one only because they are marines
The Vanilla Codex is one of the first, if not they first codex to be released every new edition. They are the face of 40K, and that single book comprises most 40k Players out there. Of course they are going to keep their biggest money maker updated.
Don't expect SoB for a while. They just got the WD treatment. I don't think we'll be seeing them until 2013 at the earliest.
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Post by: Claimh_Solais
Sidstyler wrote:WHY do so meny off you think Vanilla marines vill be out next year?!
Because they're always the first ones up after a new edition?
Only bacause thet always ben first dosen´t mean they always WILL be first
Marines sell anyway , chaos dont so my monny is they make chaos first
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Post by: Byte
agnosto wrote:I'm sure if they did percentages in 40k it would look an aweful lot like current fantasy. Lord=HQ, Heroes=Elite, Special=fast, Rare=heavy with all the current % and unit number limitations.
40K 2nd edition was done by %'s.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
Byte wrote:agnosto wrote:I'm sure if they did percentages in 40k it would look an aweful lot like current fantasy. Lord=HQ, Heroes=Elite, Special=fast, Rare=heavy with all the current % and unit number limitations.
40K 2nd edition was done by %'s.
And it looked an awful lot like fantasy.
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Post by: Battle Brother Ambrosius
I think Phil Kelly will write the next BT codex, which I think will air after the Eldar one. Their usual order is a xenos codex, imperial codex, xenos codex, imperial codex and so on.
However, Tau are in desperate need for update, as are CSM.
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Post by: Cyrax
I'd rather wish having a FOC which can be altered by HQs or traits, doctrines, point level, etc. to the percentage system.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Cyrax wrote:I'd rather wish having a FOC which can be altered by HQs or traits, doctrines, point level, etc. to the percentage system.
You are aware that you can have both, right?
The "percentage" comes into play when looking at the overall points of a force. Elites cannot be more than 25% of the overall points total of a force, etc.
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Post by: George Spiggott
I wonder if the rumoured slot swap will allow armies to field super heavies by making them take up multiple (four) slots.
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Post by: Cyrax
Kanluwen wrote:Cyrax wrote:I'd rather wish having a FOC which can be altered by HQs or traits, doctrines, point level, etc. to the percentage system.
You are aware that you can have both, right?
The "percentage" comes into play when looking at the overall points of a force. Elites cannot be more than 25% of the overall points total of a force, etc.
Sorry, I was trying to say FOC slots. I mean I'd prefer having standard FOC slots which can be increased or decreased, like having an extra Heavy Support by limiting some other slot. 
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Post by: Sharkvictim
No need for a new Chaos codex, I'll settle for an FAQ that says we can use anything from Daemons and CSM lists
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kanluwen wrote:Cyrax wrote:I'd rather wish having a FOC which can be altered by HQs or traits, doctrines, point level, etc. to the percentage system.
You are aware that you can have both, right?
The "percentage" comes into play when looking at the overall points of a force. Elites cannot be more than 25% of the overall points total of a force, etc.
Actually, in Fantasy the percentage system replaced the FOC system, making FAQs for each army necessary at the start obviously.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Kroothawk wrote:making FAQs for each army necessary at the start obviously.
Is that not one of the big rumors for 6thEd? The change will be more drastic than 4thEd->5thEd and require FAQs all around.
Personally, they should just reset everything like they did in 3rdEd and print the "codex" rules within the rulebook itself.
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Post by: Nagashek
Well, considering that the elimination of the Force-Org chart wasn't one of the bad parts of 8th ed, I'll not worry about it too much. However, there are plenty of other things to ruin, so I'll hold my breath and worry until we get something shown to be not horrible.
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Post by: Kandle
Absolutionis wrote:
Personally, they should just reset everything like they did in 3rdEd and print the "codex" rules within the rulebook itself.
So the core rule set and the Vanilla dex under one cover every time?
That's an interesting idea.
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Post by: Brother SRM
The third edition rulebook came with mini codices for every army because the ruleset invalidated everything that came before. I wouldn't expect to see that again unless things really change, which I sincerely doubt.
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Post by: Eisenhorn
They really should implement this rule.
Why should there be a difference between Gamer and Modeler?
With a strick FOA chart you might only be allowed one tank,when painting tanks is your drop dead favorite thing to paint.
With strickness you only buy one tank because any more is a waste,with the new rule you buy what you like and shape your army how you like.
Now you can make fluffy White Scar armies without resorting to the DA codex,Or have a IG force around the units you like.
For instance I like to run an armored calvary unit with more armor than a regular ground force has but with more troops than a armor company
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Post by: Sarigar
Experiment 626 wrote:Sarigar wrote:If they went to percentages (which they utilized in 2nd edition), then we would have a FOC requirements and percentages?
What would that really accomplish? I don't forsee it forcing us to buy more models to existing armies and I don't see how the current FOC is unbalanced; it appears to give players enough flexibility to build the kind of army they want, generally speaking.
If you play marines the chart is likely perfectly fine. Of corse, anyone who has access to multiple units that cost less than 11pts/model will argue otherwise! It's too easy to fill up all your slots in larger games and still have pts left over.
The FOC needs a change really. At the very least, it needs to scale upwards as more pts are added to the table, considering it takes 3k before you can ignore it entirely. But really, why can't we have 3 HQ's in games 2000-2999pts?! And why only 6 Troops slots? (I know alot of ork & 'nid players who would love to field more basic mobs/broods) Heck, considering how Daemons are currently shoehorned into requiring at least 3 if not 4 small 5-man horror squads just to gain access to proper anti-tank, it sucks that I can only have 6 troops slots!
I wouldn't mind a change over to a percentage system, as it has worked out very well in fantasy. The other thing people are forgetting, in fantasy there's also hardcaps on the number of like units you can take. (no quadruple specials, no tripple rares untill you hit 3k+)
So for 40k, it could work something like 'no quadruple elites/fast, no tripple heavy untill 2.5K+ or something similar... Transports I would imagine would count towards the section of the unit they're bought for.
As for things like the newcron court getting slapping silly, remember also that under fantasy's system, units/options which don't count towards the total of something don't count against the percentage cap either! (ie: units of direwolves "don't count towards the minimum core unit requirement", thus, they don't count as part of your minimum 25% you must take!) So a royal court would still be expensive, but it won't count as part of your max 'X'% on HQ.
If they went to a percentage system, I'd imagine it would be on top of the existing FOC as it is explained within every existing codex ( GW could create an errata eliminating it from every codex, but I have my doubts). The FOC already caps the number of units, but I could see it becoming further restricted based on the points value played. However, I think that will just create a new set of problems where some armies do well under a cap system, but others do not.
As for larger games, I suppose it's up to what is in one's personal collection. I have no problem fielding 3500 points of Eldar in one FOC (not even maxing it out). I could go up to 4000 points if I utilized Wraithguard or a Jetseer Council (IE: expensive units). If you're playing larger games, you can easily play Apocolypse which eliminates the FOC or just agree among friends to loosen up on the FOC.
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Post by: Nagashek
In WHFB, the percentage system works like this:
Lords can take up to 25% of the points
Heros can take up to 25% of the points (a different 25% from the Lords)
You must take 25% Core
You may take up to 50% Special
You may take up to 25% Rare
You may take no more than 3 of the same Specials, or 2 of the same Rares per list, unless the items are "2 for 1" (Certain entries only took up one slot for every 2 taken, like Haemonculi or Sniper drone teams do.)
When 8th ed released, an FAQ was printed for every army to remove the force org charts and make a few other key changes. We were all impressed, till we realized that A) 8th ed is crap and B ) we got our first 8th ed army book 8 months after the edition streeted.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Those rules led to cheap spell caster spam and, together with OTT and erratic magic rules, to the end of competitive play without house rules restricting abuse. And yes, Mat Ward was the author. I fear HQ spam now.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Wasn't there a rumor stating Phil was writing 6th's rules? If so, that's a very bright spot in the near future.
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Post by: daniel79
Well I would really enjoy if Chaos Space Marine gets a codex, and then Thousand Sons, World eaters, and other legions get there own codex instead of having to just use the single Chaos Space Marine codex.... I mean all the loyalist chapters see to get there own codex and they are not as wide variety as Chaos..
You have 2/3 of the chapters that all warship the Emperor as there god, well grey knights and one other loyalist chapter thinks he is just a space marine, then you have 1/3 of the chapters that warship 5+ totally different chaos Gods either worshiping just one god, or maybe a couple, but all worshiping in there own way. Using some technology that has been lost to the empire, using some technology that has entered the empire, and even steeling some technology from outside the empire, and with some new loyalist falling to the sway of the allure of Chaos all the time even have a limited selection of the newest imperial technology. But the Chaos Space Marine codex has been so Blah... so lack of virility, so empty of fluff of the majority of the chaos traitor chapters. At least they have had some pictures of some of the traitor chapters, but the 4 Chaos gods, Tzeentch, Khorn, Nurgle, and Slanish are just the 4 most powerful off all the Chaos gods, in the past much of the old fluff talked about other chaos gods, minor chaos gods, and even the 5th major chaos god the god of murder.
why are all the books expanding the blah and tasteless Loyalist space marine and little to no flavor is given to the rebels the ones trying to fight the oppressive emperor, that rules the realm of man on his giant Iron thrown with thousands of innocent souls sacrificed to him to keep him alive.
I am not saying the Chaos gods are a good team, or the good sides, heck they kill each other just as much as they loyalist marines if not more, but they are what the emperor himself drove the freedom fighters of the Empire too,.
heck I mean the emperor is holding the Necron god captured in the Moon trapped to help make the machine of man for his galactic conquests.
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Post by: Brother SRM
The books are expanding the "blah and tasteless" (your words, not mine) loyalist Marines because they sell well and are easier to make releases for. GW just needs to write a codex and release a handful of kits and bam, Space Wolves are going to sell them god knows how many drop pods, rhinos, dreadnoughts, assault Marines, whatever. The money they make from those safe bets is what lets GW take risks like the amazing Dark Eldar release. It's not a perfect situation, but don't knock it.
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Post by: Shas'o Kias
I personally think the next two codes will be tau/bt in the that order for two reasons. 1. If you go on the gamesworkshop website these two codes are 9 bucks cheaper than the others and 2. There are alot of confirmed rumors by Robbin Cruddace regarding new tau units that will come out. Have you seen any confirmed eldar rumors? I DON'T THINK SO!!
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Post by: Fat_Little_Ripper
Shas'o Kias wrote:I personally think the next two codes will be tau/bt in the that order for two reasons. 1. If you go on the gamesworkshop website these two codes are 9 bucks cheaper than the others and 2. There are alot of confirmed rumors by Robbin Cruddace regarding new tau units that will come out. Have you seen any confirmed eldar rumors? I DON'T THINK SO!!
Wouldn't a "confirmed rumor" be a fact?
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Post by: Experiment 626
Shas'o Kias wrote:I personally think the next two codes will be tau/bt in the that order for two reasons. 1. If you go on the gamesworkshop website these two codes are 9 bucks cheaper than the others and 2. There are alot of confirmed rumors by Robbin Cruddace regarding new tau units that will come out. Have you seen any confirmed eldar rumors? I DON'T THINK SO!!
*sigh*
The Tau & Templar books are cheaper because they are almost half the page count of the newer books!
Even GW is smart enough to realise that no one would pay $40 for a book that's barely 65pg's when all the other books for that same cost average 90-100pg's.
It's the same deal like we saw waaaaaay back in 3rd ed with the 'mini codicies' for the various marine chapters & craftworld eldar - a fair bit cheaper because they were only half the content.
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Post by: snake
What does the revelation of a 30k campaign this summer do the schedule in the first post?
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Post by: kronk
snake wrote:What does the revelation of a 30k campaign this summer do the schedule in the first post?
Nothing. Go back and read the rest of the other thread. 
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Post by: Kroothawk
stickmonkey wrote:My sources are giving me the following general timelines of codex releases
2012
Q1/2 - tau (or flipped w BT)
Q2/3 - BT ( possible WD codex)
Q3 - 6 Ed
Q3/4 - eldar
2013 getting fuzzy
Q1 - SM
Q2/3 - chaos legions (new)
Q4 - ig or orks!
2014. So much could change...no order given
Daemons
Nids
DA?
This is a long way out, and a lot could change, but we know the studio has long lead times.
Cheers, Merry Christmas.
StraightSilver wrote:Hmmm, well I have the Legions Dex down as a lot earlier than 2013 (earlier than many may think) but of course nobody really knows so 2013 is as good a guess as 2012, and I get the impression they do really want to make a big deal out of them which would explain the delay.
Tau in Q1 is a very big possibility. I had been told that Tau have had new models ready since June 2011 by somebody who has (allegedly) seen them. I was under the impression they would get a wave release with a WD update but this seems to have been canned in favour of a Codex. From June to Q1 is enough time to develop a Dex so that's certainly possible.
In terms of Marines, all the new Codexes (with the exception of Space Wolves) have had models which use the new flying stand ('Nids will get the Harpy at some point).
There is definitely a push towards large models and when asked why only Grey Knights and Blood Angels get Storm Ravens at Games Day it was inferred that they are the only Chapter that use them, but that other Chapters use their own variation of flyer.
So it's possible there will be a new model which will feature in both Black Templars and Vanilla akin to a Storm Raven and will appear in both Dexes.
This means that the Vanilla Dex and BTs could be released close together, in a similar way that Blood Angels and Grey Knights were.
And GW almost always releases a new Marine Dex with a new edition, so with Edition 6 arriving in Q2/Q3 next year it is more than likely.
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That's the problem, it's not unheard of for GW to have models ready for months / years and still sit on them, so Tau could be Q1 or not even next year.
I had heard Chaos Legions would be next year, and earlier than previously rumoured, but then again that same source said Tau would be 2011 so that's questionable.
It may just be that Legions ended up being bigger than they expected and they want to do a "Dark Eldar" on it.
Plus it's almost definitely going to be Chaos + something else in the 6th Edition starter set so they may want to wait until sales of that have kicked in, which would be Q1 2013.
I hope not though.
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Well it has been stated that 2011 was a Warhammer year and 2012 will be a 40K one.
I wouldn't be surprised if Necrons follow the same model Dark Eldar set, so a wave in January followed by a 2.5 wave in March/April.
There was also a second 40K release in 2011 (Grey Knights) whilst DE were being finished off.
Therefore I would expect a Q1 2012 40K release.
As to what this will be is anybody's guess.
Sisters are still a long way off.
GW were reluctant to rerelease DE (it was pretty much Jes Goodwin that championed them) yet they proved to sell well despite a long break between codices.
I suspect GW feel the same way about Sisters, rather waiting to do them properly rather than rush them out.
Jes did say in October 2011 that they were on hold for the time being. That doesn't mean they aren't being worked on now, but I think there will be other releases long before them.
As to the rest of the year, we have edition 6 coming out in June/July, probably with a new starter set in Q4 2012.
2013 will be the year of The Hobbit / LOTR so I suspect we will get lots of 40K stuff crammed into 2012, especially as it's also the 25th anniversary of Rogue Trader.
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Post by: Experiment 626
Daemons not untill 2014 at the earliest? Makes me a sad, sad panda 
Oh well, if my VC's do indeed get their new book in January, I'll ditch 40k for the time being at least untill we see if 6th ed can offer any kind of help to my poor warp gribblies. However, I have a sinking feeling that all of us daemon players are going to be shoehorned into playing a word bearers daemonbomb if we want to compete. 
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Post by: Augustus
I think its all pretty interesting, more than anything though I can't wait to see what kind of changes 6th next year institutes!
I think it's a scary time to start any new armies I'll tell you that!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Kroothawk wrote:StraightSilver wrote:
Well it has been stated that 2011 was a Warhammer year and 2012 will be a 40K one.
2013 will be the year of The Hobbit / LOTR so I suspect we will get lots of 40K stuff crammed into 2012, especially as it's also the 25th anniversary of Rogue Trader.
Year of the Hobbit?
Thats 365 wasted days....
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Post by: Kroothawk
With GW doing no advertising, no introductory products and no wide spread retail, the Hobbit movie is the only chance to get new players into tabletop gaming. And didn't most of us start the hobby as children?
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Post by: Experiment 626
Kroothawk wrote:With GW doing no advertising, no introductory products and no wide spread retail, the Hobbit movie is the only chance to get new players into tabletop gaming. And didn't most of us start the hobby as children?
+1
I'm looking forwards to a year of LotR love as it'll only help fix the issues within both the stratagy battle game & war of the ring game. (one has an utterly broken fight system, the other has 0 balance between most of the armies!)
Plus, it'll offer a nice break from what's likely to be at least 6 months of hardcore 40k gaming, and LotR is the best system to get new blood into the hobby!
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Post by: Kroothawk
On the general 6th edition rumours:
Harry wrote:But you guys know that you have not heard about most of the actual changes and much of what you have heard is inaccurate? Right? Hmm, is that an official debunk of the prevalent 6th Edition rumors? Are we looking at a less comprehensive revamp than previous rumors have led us to believe?
I am in no way "official".
I am not saying "less comprehensive"
I am saying some of what is being discuss is not happening and there is lots happening that is not being discussed.
Just reacting to the couple of posts above mine where folks were getting 'down' about changes when they don't know what all the changes are.
And, in original spelling, as I can only guess what he wants to say:
ghost21 wrote:there wont be a return to percentages for 40k not they have force alications slots not for at least 2-3 editions
though this edition will have someof stuff retuning from second ed
And now on the release schedule (posted in and referring to Tau rumours at first):
Harry wrote:Fellas ... needless to say, given the amount of contradiction ... much of the first post is inaccurate. Some of that stuff was written before they started writing the book.
No one has got all the kits right yet.
I don't think they will be as soon as most folks seem to think given the amount of stuff that seems to be before them.
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I have heard about more stuff for IG, Necrons, Tyranids .....
I think (for what its worth) that there is stuff coming for at least 5 other armies before we see the Tau stuff. (unless they release something in advance of the main release?)
But as you know I don't follow 40K that closely so I could be completely wrong.
I trust that means a wave, with units not available yet? Otherwise, I predict much nerdRAGE - the Imperial Guard already got an update.
Yes, waves for a number of armies coming.
When you say 5 other armies do you mean 5 other gw armies or 5 other 40k armies? Because the latter surely puts tau into, as a minimum, 2013, and makes me a very sad panda
I mean 5 other 40K armies but I am not talking about full army releases just more stuff.
I heard Tau were good to go 2012 but I don't know exactly where they fit in the schedule.
And since 40K has gotten Harry's attention (a rare event!) I might as well ask: any love coming soonish for the pointy-ears? Pretty please?
Yes. I have heard about some stuff coming for Eldar.
ghost21 wrote:Remember Harry gets info of stuff much later in the process than I do. He could be right (I'm still annoyed about sisters of battle who will now sit done for at least 18 months if not longer)
There's BT, IG, and I think tyranid stuff done, and SW, if they plan on releasing no armies for 40k until 6th ed i can see it unfortunately
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Oh, I forgot SOB but honestly 2013/14 now
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Post by: kenshin620
Huh, very interesting
Necrons and Nidz 2nd wave was a given (rumors of harpies, the rest of the cron codex, etc)
But more IG? Ooh this could be very interesting. Units that dont have any models as of yet are the Hydra and Penal Legion (the latter seems like an obvious choice for Finecast). Unless they also decide to make a vet squad, doubt it though, or update the psykers and storms. Although problem with IG rumors is that there were a lot of popular ones that have yet to be proven true, or at least the ones I've heard. I always keep hearing plastic Hydra, plastic storm troopers, plastic "dual purpose greatcoat" guard.
Also interesting bit about 5 army updates before tau.
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Post by: BlackRaven1987!!
I would love to see the nids get the models they dont have.......but at the same time I dont particularly need them been without them for soo long just made my own and kind of fell in love with them. Necrons deffinetly need their models it is alot easier to custom a nid and just say that it is a unique mutation versus a necron model where they are all pretty much supposed to be the same.....Alot of my friends play Tau and well I have to admit they really need a new codex, but the codex i really want to see is Dark Angels they are hurting for an update.
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Post by: 1hadhq
I would prefer missing units released close to a new edition instead of codices "written with X ed in mind" as this never turned out well.
See what happened to DA... and the crapton of threads in YMDC about rules of such codices "written with ...in mind".
Better to have the general set of rules done and the codices compatible in their first print run.
However, if there is a codex released pre-6th , I voting for Tau...
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Post by: Kroothawk
kenshin620 wrote:But more IG? Ooh this could be very interesting.
Actually, the IG rumour got more concrete in September already http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/397829.page , being in the rumour roundup since then.
stickmonkey wrote:Been a long time, but I have a small item to add into the rumor mill
I'm hearing that there is a IG mini release being planned soon, I expect it to be Q1 2012 and be in a mixed release month.
Items I hear are the long rumored stormtrooper plastics. Plastic hydra, and possibly another chimera based kit.
Still a ways off, but ive had multiple sources mention it recently.
Cheers!
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Just to add some fuel, I'm sure everyone knows forgeworld no longer sells the hydra upgrade, only the full kit, as it is based on the old chimera models...doesn't mean anything really, I suppose...
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I haven't heard anything specific about twc (=Thunderwolf Cavalry), just what's been circulating everyone else has heard.
But what I have heard doesn't make them seem likely until 2012...
BramGaunt wrote:Afaik it's actually 3 kits, stormtrooper/veteran soldiers, hydra, Griffon (with colossus and medusa options), plus some finecast updates. Hydra is supposed to look a little different from the FW one.
anselminus wrote:yes i heard thats rumour for IG too!
Captain Ventris wrote:I've heard the same, platic storm troopers, hydra kit and a siege mortar kit to build the griffon, collosus, and medusa
Supposedly due out for february 2012
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Post by: RiTides
Hmm... closing holes in lines is good, I hope nids get their soon.
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Post by: kenshin620
Ahh, guess I missed out on those rumors
Why in the world did I forget about the medusa/griffon/bombard! For shame!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Again, your new avatar is fitting
Anyway, here some tidbits by Harry:
I hear scraps at different stages ... I try not to get too far ahead.
What happened with Sisters of Battle.
I heard about them .... well, years ago and they were right there with Grey Knights an Necrons .... how did they end up as a WD release? and Why sit on them till 2013/14?
I can confirm there is stuff done for BT, IG, Nids and SW and have also heard about stuff for Sisters of Battle, DA, Chaos, Eldar, Dark Eldar and Tau. (so that is just about all of them isn't it?) What is less clear is when they plan to release it all.
Models sitting around finished does not mean they are going to get released any time soon.
But then I don't devote much time to trying to keep it straight the way I do with Fantasy.
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I heard that Chaos was the first 6th edition Codex but I am not sure if it comes just before or just after.
(Or even if that is accurate)
Originally I did have Tau down for the first half of the year based one when I first heard about them (Well over a year ago now) but it always had a ? against it as I had not heard anything concrete since and then I got the impression at GD there was still some work to do on the models .... so given lead times March/April was doable but the earliest possible date and never seemed very likely.
All I have to go on is the order I hear about things ... I never get a schedule or hear release dates.
So going back quite a way the order I heard about things was:
Tyranids, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Necrons, More Nids, Black Templar, Tau, Chaos, More Eldar, More Space Wolves, More Dark Angels.
Dark Eldar got thrown in to the mix as they were a back burner project and I couldn't work out for a while whether they were coming before or after Grey Knights ... but eventually got that sorted.... along with two scheduled waves.
So whilst it is unlikely the order will be exactly the same and it is unclear which will be full army releases and which just more models .... (although you can take a pretty good guess) This is kind of the order I expect to see some stuff for these armies.
I had Tau and BT down before Chaos because I heard about models for them before I heard about anything for Chaos BUT just because a project starts before does not mean it will automatically finish before.
I just talked to our local, independent games store owner. He *claimed* that his GW contact *claimed* that Tau was being discontinued.
This is obviously not correct as the the studio has been working on Tau for over 18 months.
I am sure Tau are coming in next year ... just think they are a good bit later than Q1/2 as seems to be widely thought.
Again ... I could be completely wrong about this.
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Post by: decoste007xt
With GW doing no advertising, no introductory products and no wide spread retail, the Hobbit movie is the only chance to get new players into tabletop gaming. And didn't most of us start the hobby as children?
Agreed, while I starting playing only 2 years ago if GW would at least release some product information I would save up to buy. I'm waiting on either a new Tyranid or a new Chaos "Legions" book in which I'll drop $200-500 on it most likely. But with no information on the matter I likely won't be saving up any money on the side because I have no idea when its going to happen.
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Post by: puma713
Hope Harry is right. Maybe I'd finally see a Swarmlord kit, or at least a bonesword pack.
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Post by: Remulus
thevirus wrote:WTF,, the smurfs get another codex,,the main reason why I play CSM!!
Heh heh, classic space marines will ALWAYS get another codex...
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Post by: ph34r
Honestly all the new rumored release schedules seem to me like educated guessing and/or straight up process of elimination guessing.
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Post by: kenshin620
ph34r wrote:Honestly all the new rumored release schedules seem to me like educated guessing and/or straight up process of elimination guessing.
Isnt that how almost all rumors are born anyways?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Mirbeau over at Warseer wrote:A little update - I still think (though not sure if others are 100% on this) Templars are the next book, but there are some miniatures for others to come first...
I heard (all credit to H) yes to mixed Feb 40k - so good shout there. I think so, but there are some fantasy waves to account for in the mix, which are somewhat confusing. And I may be alone in thinking Templars are the first of the impending 40k big releases... 
We'll see
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Right, empire first (dwarves a bit later) for fantasy. Thing is, both seem to be split releases - a big thing with some characters, followed by the book and more a couple of months later. So pegging definate months (well, as definate as these things ever are) has been a real pig
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Post by: lord_blackfang
a big thing with some characters, followed by the book and more a couple of months later
You know, I could totally see GW moving the army books into Wave 2 to screw with third-party companies that try to fill the holes in the line (we have how many Triarch Stalker proxies announced? Three?)
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Post by: Kroothawk
We must make GW so angry that they start to release the most competitive and popular units of a Codex/Army book within 2 years of book release
BTW here a rumour by a 2 posts member over at Warseer::
heihei wrote:Here is a rumour for you.
Necrons and Nids in february.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And 'Nids?
I'll believe that when I see it...
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Post by: JB
Kroothawk wrote:We must make GW so angry that they start to release the most competitive and popular units of a Codex/Army book within 2 years of book release
BTW here a rumour by a 2 posts member over at Warseer::
heihei wrote:Here is a rumour for you.
Necrons and Nids in february.
Ugh...I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the IG 3rd Wave in February as mentioned in your earlier posts in this thread. Though I don't mind them releasing models for all three armies as long as the IG Colossus is in the mix.
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
H.B.M.C. wrote:And 'Nids?
I'll believe that when I see it...
'Nid second wave?
Naaaaaaah. You're having a laugh.
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Post by: Joey
Plastic Hydras and a percentile limit on heavy support make for a very happy IG
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Sisters going so far out is a shame, although Aura did say she is kinda happy as it gives her more time to paint up her Dark Eldar.
New Guard stuff is a hope for me, the Hydra, but more importantly veteran/Stormtrooper style box would be a must buy. Probably lead to me starting a third regiment based around an armoured company.
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Post by: Kroothawk
The plot is thickening. Some more rumour from Warseer:
Garanaul the Black wrote:Just a quick release date tidbit before things fizzle out completely. It is from an excellent source (standard caveats apply of course, as nothing is ever certain). I've been told that Chaos is about six months from release, which is approximately late June / July, not sure if / how this is going to affect the release of 6th Edition.
I've been sitting on this one for about a week so if it's common knowledge, please ignore.
OT: Tau is being worked on, but further out than people think.
Mirbeau wrote:It's been stated frequently by Harry and others in the Tau thread Tau are further out than most expect. This is the case.
There is 40k in Feb, but not a codex.
If there is a codex before Templars, it's not a Tau one.
Has anyone heard anything about the 2nd wave of Necrons? It's the new year and I'm getting anxious!
If Dark Eldar are anything to go by, you have a month or three to wait.
Bang on. Also tyranids were mentioned.... well
Oh ok, FEBRUARY.
Both a Necron and a Tyranid wave in February?
That is what I meant. Heard it from a fella I have a good deal of faith in (as does most of this forum)
Exciting eh?
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Post by: kenshin620
Kind of funny in a way, Crons getting a 2nd wave really quickly compared to even space marines if the rumors be true. Especially funny considering that if nidz are also there then you have the xeno codex with the slowest 2nd wave for 5th coupled with the fastest
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Post by: -Loki-
If they really do a Tyranid second wave in February, it'll be the first time ever I pre order something.
All I want is a Tervigon and a Harpy. Please GW. Please.
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Post by: puma713
Reading that Tyranid part made me. . .tingle. . .
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Post by: theironjef
At this point everyone who wanted a tervigon or a harpy already made one.
If they want a Tervigon box to be profitable as a release they'd better sell it as "Tervigon - Comes with two dreadnought autocannon arms and four SM missile launchers"
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Post by: puma713
theironjef wrote:At this point everyone who wanted a tervigon or a harpy already made one.
If they want a Tervigon box to be profitable as a release they'd better sell it as "Tervigon - Comes with two dreadnought autocannon arms and four SM missile launchers"
It'll probably be a Tervigon/Tyrannofex dual-kit. If you look at the pictures in the codex, the two creatures are similarly built, and they both have the triple stacks on their backs.
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Post by: -Loki-
theironjef wrote:At this point everyone who wanted a tervigon or a harpy already made one.
I want them, but I haven't converted them for various reasons.
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Post by: tetrisphreak
I have converted 3 tervigons but no tyrranofexes.
I think i need 6th edition to change a LOT of rules to make tyranids playable again, however. That being said if the models come out and the sculpts are up to par with what's being released now, I'll definitely pick up a couple from nids and crons, seeing as how those are 2 of my main armies (i also have tau)
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Post by: -Loki-
I've got no doubt GW's Tervigon will put to shame most conversions done in the interim. None of their big Tyranids have been bad since 4th edition.
That's the main reason I waited. I know I could make one using a Carnifex, but like most conversions I see, it would simply be a fat Carnifex with boobs. Time is another - I'm not going to waste hobby time on something I know I won't be happy with, when GW will make one eventually, better than I could. I've had no issues playing without them in the interim.
Same with a Harpy. I've seen winged Carnifexes and Trygons, which is about all I'd make. I have no doubt GW's Harpy will look better than anything I could have made, and again, I have been fine playing without them while waiting.
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Post by: Scipio Africanus
Deathly Angel wrote:1. It'd be right that Phil Kelly is writing the Eldar codex, though before 6th, really? If it was that close, wouldn't we have heard about it already and got details on the models and rules?
3. Bleh, Newcrons in the starter set... Might make it a little harder for me to deny the existence of the new backround. With more people playing them. Whether the kids choose them over Ultramarines is another story.
4. Would marine dex refer to vanilla or another chapter? Black Templars was mentioned as coming soon, and I really doubt that a new vanilla marine dex coming out so soon. Assuming that this is true, it would be a low marketing ploy by GW. On the brighter side, it might be an opportunity to fix some of the Ultramarines fanwank by Mr Ward.
They're too humanoid for them to use them IMO.
Orks are very different to marines. Tau are fairly different to marines and same of eldar of either description.
Since marines are a given, none of the other imperial forces will be used - no SOB, no GK, No guard.
It kinda limits the options. they also won't use Chaos marines because they look to much like normal marines.
Really, they're left with:
Eldar/Dark eldar
Tau
Orks
Nids
and Daemons.
Yes, they could use necrons, but I doubt it.
I'm angling for Eldar, Tau or Daemons.
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Post by: Orki
Scipio Africanus wrote:
........./
Really, they're left with:
Eldar/Dark eldar
Tau
Orks
Nids
and Daemons.
Yes, they could use necrons, but I doubt it.
I'm angling for Eldar, Tau or Daemons.
Funny you should say that. One of my sources told me Eldar & Marines in the box, just after the Eldar dex at the end of 5th. This neatly mimics skaven/8th ed whfb, and Orks towards the end of 4th/ AOBR iirc?
I'd be happy with that if it is the case.
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Post by: Sasori
My wallet is going to take a Major hit, if we have Tyranids and Necrons in the same month! It hasn't even fully recovered from my Initial Necron wave! Arrgghhh!
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I see it's time to start squirreling away for those Tervigons and Harpies I've always wanted.
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Post by: severedblue
Very interesting! Tyranids and Newcrons!
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Post by: brassangel
Sasori wrote:My wallet is going to take a Major hit, if we have Tyranids and Necrons in the same month! It hasn't even fully recovered from my Initial Necron wave! Arrgghhh!
Agreed. I, too, play both armies.
theironjef wrote:At this point everyone who wanted a tervigon or a harpy already made one.
If they want a Tervigon box to be profitable as a release they'd better sell it as "Tervigon - Comes with two dreadnought autocannon arms and four SM missile launchers"
That's not true at all. Most Tyranids players I know (myself included) just used Trygons or Carnifexes to represent said monsters, because we knew GW would make baller kits. They really haven't goofed up any of the big monsters (in either system), and 100% of the conversions I've seen look like total garbage. No offense to those who've made them, but they just look like Carnifexes with random parts and green stuff on them, and I can totally tell that that's what they are. Usually the paint job leaves a lot to be desired as well.
What I've heard is that it will be a hybrid kit (think: Stonehorn/Thundertusk, Terrorgheist/Zombie Dragon, etc.), and probably mounts on a large oval base. I am also expecting a Finecast SC with their next release, but that requires helpings of salt.
I heard a tidbit about the plastic "hero" kits we see in Fantasy (ie: generic Chaos Sorcer, Old One, Wight King, etc.) making their way into 40k in the near future, but that's just a rumor as well.
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Post by: McNinja
I really want to see what new stuff is going on with Tau. It'll be my next army after I finish getting 3k points for my Necrons. I really don't care about anything else. Except the several video games coming out between Feb and the 6th ed.
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Post by: Mar'tacus
McNinja wrote:I really want to see what new stuff is going on with Tau. It'll be my next army after I finish getting 3k points for my Necrons. I really don't care about anything else. Except the several video games coming out between Feb and the 6th ed.
Agreed. I hope the new Tau 'dex doesn't get displaced by too many other armies. My Tau are the laughing stock of my local 40k friends...EVEN WHEN I WIN!
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Post by: Pouncey
I came here looking for Sisters of Battle rumors... After reading about what Mr. Goodwin (sp?) apparently said about their status back in October last year, I now feel very sad. I guess my dragoness-Sisters of the Flame will have to wait a long while longer. If only I had a plush toy of a Sister of Battle to hug... well, one that's not imaginary, anyways.
:: huggles the imaginary one tightly ::
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
You scare me, pouncey.
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Post by: Skalk Bloodaxe
MasterSlowPoke wrote:You scare me, pouncey.
What he said.
Anyway, I'm really excited about the very much needed step up CSM are rumored to get. I've been frustrated since I got back into 40K two years ago and found they were 33 flavors of vanilla with a side order of nerf.
*long, long... really long rant about 33 flavors of vanilla with a side order of nerf, stock vehicles, limited weapons, no rules for Cultists, etc*
Whew. Glad I got that off my chest. Thanks for reading.
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
Pouncey wrote:I came here looking for Sisters of Battle rumors... After reading about what Mr. Goodwin (sp?) apparently said about their status back in October last year, I now feel very sad. I guess my dragoness-Sisters of the Flame will have to wait a long while longer. If only I had a plush toy of a Sister of Battle to hug... well, one that's not imaginary, anyways.
:: huggles the imaginary one tightly ::
Yeah, I was really disapointed that no new models came out for the WD SOB dex. Hell I was pissed we didn't get a real dex. I feel your pain pouncy =o[
I have a plush/stuffy Tachikoma I can lend you to snuggle with if your feeling down?
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Post by: TBD
A second wave for two codex in one month?
I'll believe that one when I see it, but if it happens it will either be a damn large number of releases or Necrons only get half the stuff we are hoping for.
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Post by: CaptKaruthors
I'm hoping that Eldar are a post 6th edition release. I don't want them to be a 5th edition army "with 6th edition in mind".
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Post by: whoadirty
theironjef wrote:At this point everyone who wanted a tervigon or a harpy already made one.
If they want a Tervigon box to be profitable as a release they'd better sell it as "Tervigon - Comes with two dreadnought autocannon arms and four SM missile launchers"
I don't know about that (although it was funny). I have been using proxies for mine. And if the rumours are true that there is a new unit coming out in the White Dwarf ala the Vampire Counts, and it is a hybrid kit with the Tervigon, it could sell lots.
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Post by: Brother SRM
CaptKaruthors wrote:I'm hoping that Eldar are a post 6th edition release. I don't want them to be a 5th edition army "with 6th edition in mind".
I really don't know why people can't understand that armies written near an edition change are written for that edition. Orks were written for 5th and are still a solid army. Some rumors point to every army going back to Tyranids and possibly IG being written with 6th edition in mind. Eldar will be fine, whether they come out now or a year from now.
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Post by: decoste007xt
Agreed, its likely 6th Ed Rulebook is practically finished, and theres little left to put in it. So writing an army for 6th Ed is like the 6th Ed rulebook doesn't exist. It exists and is probably on the bleeding edge of completion, so any codex developers know exactly whats in it....
Their not going to develop rules and codexs and then go, AH !@#!# the rulebook came out, well toss that entire army down thecrapper.
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Post by: Anpu-adom
In the leaked 6th edition play-test file, there aren't FAQ for Necrons, Sisters, or Black Templar.
That may be a fairly strong indication that Black Templar were the next codex (at the time of the document... at least).
Or that the Black Templar have simply been exterminated by the Necrons. Either way. Just saying.
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Post by: Strombones
Gw does not care what veteran players think about gameplay. They do not care if releasing vanilla marines before your army hurts your feelings. They do not care if one codex is better than the other.
They don't care how many people swear to god that "if codex X Y or Z comes out it will break the game and I swear I'll quit 40k forever!" why? Because you won't quit 40k. Gw is like a drug dealer. If you are in the hobby you are hooked. Not releasing products to your convienience or to how you think is "fair" or "balanced" is not even a blip on their radar. Also like a drug dealer they are more concerned with hooking new customers than pleasing the ones they already have.
It's called business.
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Post by: McNinja
Strombones wrote:Gw does not care what veteran players think about gameplay. They do not care if releasing vanilla marines before your army hurts your feelings. They do not care if one codex is better than the other.
They don't care how many people swear to god that "if codex X Y or Z comes out it will break the game and I swear I'll quit 40k forever!" why? Because you won't quit 40k. Gw is like a drug dealer. If you are in the hobby you are hooked. Not releasing products to your convienience or to how you think is "fair" or "balanced" is not even a blip on their radar. Also like a drug dealer they are more concerned with hooking new customers than pleasing the ones they already have.
It's called business.
I sort of agree. Sort of. While GW probably doesn't care all that much about what you think, they do care about sales, and supporting veterans is never a bad thing. GW has many, many problems with how it does it business, but this isn't that thread.
Also, you can wait for your codex to come out. Just stop buying models for a few months, save some money, do some work, make some of those phat duckets. Then when you new codex comes out, you can buy it, and some new models.
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Post by: CpatTom
Just so you know, it is far more expensive to attract new customers than to maintain loyal customers.
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Post by: candy.man
Strombones wrote:GW does not care what veteran players think about gameplay. They do not care if releasing vanilla marines before your army hurts your feelings. They do not care if one codex is better than the other.
They don't care how many people swear to god that "if codex X Y or Z comes out it will break the game and I swear I'll quit 40k forever!" why? Because you won't quit 40k. GW is like a drug dealer. If you are in the hobby you are hooked. Not releasing products to your convenience or to how you think is "fair" or "balanced" is not even a blip on their radar. Also like a drug dealer they are more concerned with hooking new customers than pleasing the ones they already have.
It's called business.
You’ve hit the nail on the head IMO. Great analogy on how GW does business.
Personally I always like to emphasise the “put your money where your mouth is” belief. If you really dislike GW, stop buying their products and move on, otherwise they will never learn. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who “claim” to dislike GW yet still buy plastic crack like no tomorrow.
Personally I’ve always thought that if GW released more comprehensive errata for all outdated army books, there wouldn’t be such a vicious demand to codex updates. That being said, GW only cares about miniatures sales and the amount of codex creep is great evidence for this.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
A corollary to the drug dealer analogy is that GW wants people to quit the game regularly. They're marketing for the 8-14 year olds, and it's in their best interests to keep the average age of gamers in that bracket. If too many "veterans" stick with the game, it becomes harder and harder to attract kids to it. The worst thing that could happen to 40k from GW's perspective is if it became populated by the grognard majority.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Initial purchase.
1 Birthday.
1 Christmas.
That's all they want out of each new customer. After that they can do whatever they want and GW doesn't care. As long as they get those three purchase dates for 20-30 kids a month (depending on the region of course), the store is fine.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
H.B.M.C. wrote:Initial purchase.
1 Birthday.
1 Christmas.
The question is, why did we stick around, anyway?
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Post by: DarkStarSabre
Largely because that many years ago the service was better, the magazine offered more and even Mail Order offered more.
Found an old Troll magazine. Remember those?
5 Leman Russ, 1 being an Exterminator, 1 being a Demolisher for £40.
My god if I'd been able to see the future I would have milked that sort of thing.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
lord_blackfang wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Initial purchase.
1 Birthday.
1 Christmas.
The question is, why did we stick around, anyway?
An anomaly occurred. Most of my generation has left the game, "on schedule".
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
candy.man wrote:
Personally I’ve always thought that if GW released more comprehensive errata for all outdated army books, there wouldn’t be such a vicious demand to codex updates. That being said, GW only cares about miniatures sales and the amount of codex creep is great evidence for this.
I hear you, those poor Space Wolves, Imperial Guard and Ork players sure suffer from Codex Creep! Those darn Necrons, Dark Eldar and Grey Knights sure get all the good toys!
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Post by: Cyrax
AlmightyWalrus wrote:candy.man wrote:
Personally I’ve always thought that if GW released more comprehensive errata for all outdated army books, there wouldn’t be such a vicious demand to codex updates. That being said, GW only cares about miniatures sales and the amount of codex creep is great evidence for this.
I hear you, those poor Space Wolves, Imperial Guard and Ork players sure suffer from Codex Creep! Those darn Necrons, Dark Eldar and Grey Knights sure get all the good toys!
Not to mention that damn op Tau.
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Post by: warboss
lord_blackfang wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Initial purchase.
1 Birthday.
1 Christmas.
The question is, why did we stick around, anyway?
Clearly for all the women involved in the hobby.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Cyrax wrote:AlmightyWalrus wrote:candy.man wrote:
Personally I’ve always thought that if GW released more comprehensive errata for all outdated army books, there wouldn’t be such a vicious demand to codex updates. That being said, GW only cares about miniatures sales and the amount of codex creep is great evidence for this.
I hear you, those poor Space Wolves, Imperial Guard and Ork players sure suffer from Codex Creep! Those darn Necrons, Dark Eldar and Grey Knights sure get all the good toys!
Not to mention that damn op Tau.
...not sure if serious. I think you missed my point.
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Post by: Cyrax
I got it, I just wanted to add Tau to your list. I don't think it's fair that they'll get new toys while SW and IG suffer from codex creep.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Cyrax wrote:I got it, I just wanted to add Tau to your list. I don't think it's fair that they'll get new toys while SW and IG suffer from codex creep.
You blatantly didn't get it (or I'm not getting you ). The entire point is that SW and IG don't suffer from Codex Creep anywhere near as much as they should if Codex Creep were real, and neither do the Orks.
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Post by: Cyrax
Either I'm defending that IG is suffering from the creep or my sarcasm is not what it used to be.
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Post by: Billagio
I think there more DA players than GW realizes. Many just by regular tac marines and use them as DA, while others may by terminators for deathwing. I think GW would find it impossible to determine who is buying models for X chapter when they are all generic.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Here a new/old version by Blood of Kittens http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/ :
BoK wrote:So I think with this little rumor gift from GW I want to reiterate something I have been reporting for the last year or so. Along with knowing now that the 6th box set is done and in production I want to clearly state what has not changed since the release of the Grey Knights.
The release schedule for 40k 2012 is…
April-May: Dark Angels/Fallen
June-Aug: 6th Ed
Oct-Nov: Chaos Space Marines
There is no Tau, no Black Templars, no Eldar. I want this on the record so strike me down if I am wrong! I am only re-reporting this schedule because I think people have been lead astray by all the false talk of other codices.
I also want to go on the record saying that the Chaos Space Marine codex will not be two books. That was an old rumor from about 5 years ago that got resurrected last year for some infernal reason.
As well another reminder that 6th ed leak pdf is a not the real deal!
So Dark Angels next Codex according to this. Supported by secret message on WD backs: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426368.page
Hastings said to this:
75hastings69 wrote:demyx wrote:....which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos
Interesting
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Perhaps they see those two books as being the books that suffered the most from the 'Jervis Era'.
Still, the idea that they won't re-do Templars and Tau is kinda strange.
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Post by: Totalwar1402
Wouldn't they be bringing out vanilla marines after 6th edition?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Perhaps they really like the current Marine Codex (it is the most subdued of the Ward Collection), so want to keep it around for a while longer?
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Post by: tedurur
Fairly unsurprisingly the first rumor looks to be bollocks. DA is not getting squated. Hopefully being the last book of 5th ed will not be a huge drawback nor the clusterfeth that is the Skaven book.
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Post by: d-usa
Kroothawk wrote:Here a new/old version by Blood of Kittens http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/01/29/network-news-reinforced-rumors-40k-2012-release-schedule/ :
BoK wrote:So I think with this little rumor gift from GW I want to reiterate something I have been reporting for the last year or so. Along with knowing now that the 6th box set is done and in production I want to clearly state what has not changed since the release of the Grey Knights.
The release schedule for 40k 2012 is…
April-May: Dark Angels/Fallen
June-Aug: 6th Ed
Oct-Nov: Chaos Space Marines
There is no Tau, no Black Templars, no Eldar. I want this on the record so strike me down if I am wrong! I am only re-reporting this schedule because I think people have been lead astray by all the false talk of other codices.
I also want to go on the record saying that the Chaos Space Marine codex will not be two books. That was an old rumor from about 5 years ago that got resurrected last year for some infernal reason.
As well another reminder that 6th ed leak pdf is a not the real deal!
So Dark Angels next Codex according to this. Supported by secret message on WD backs: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426368.page
Hastings said to this:
75hastings69 wrote:demyx wrote:....which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos
Interesting
Yes, I need more rumors to keep my predictions for the correct rumor alive. Project Prisoner (Dark Angels hunting Chaos Fallen to inprison/torture/save) for the win!
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Post by: 1hadhq
The first legion next..... 
This rumor has the first 6th ed dex as chaosy, followed by a non 40k fall / winter since 3 candidates get shot down there ?
Wasn't so good when DA had a 'new design' dex and to be the last in 5th ed design isn't better.
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Post by: Nightwatch
1hadhq wrote:
Wasn't so good when DA had a 'new design' dex and to be the last in 5th ed design isn't better.
Orks did fairly well this edition though, considering the circumstances.
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Post by: agnosto
So BoK goes against Harry, I know who I'll believe since he's mostly right, most of the time....Harry. It would be odd to only release 2 40k armies in the year of the 25th anniversary.
I guess we'll see.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Isn't BoK usually wrong? I'll stick with Harry. And if BoW talked with GW and the 6th we saw was a work in progress, BoK saying it's totally false doesn't instill me with confidence in their/his words.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Bok is often right (WD only Sororitas Codex) and were among the first to say 6th edition this year. Why does this contradict Harry?
BTW the "Year of Fantasy" only saw one army book ... besides the new edition.
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Post by: Starfarer
agnosto wrote:So BoK goes against Harry, I know who I'll believe since he's mostly right, most of the time....Harry. It would be odd to only release 2 40k armies in the year of the 25th anniversary.
I guess we'll see.
Harry is usually right, but by is own admission, he hears things that are a ways out and also is more of a WHFB guy, so doesn't pay close attention to 40k rumors. That said, I trust Harry more than most posters, but 75Hastings69 is just as accurate and seems to get info a little closer to release, and he essentially confirmed DA(by confirming net rumors don't trump WD, referring to the DA imagery teaser on the spine of WD.) So I put a good bit of stock in it if Hastings is confirming it.
Funny too, since I was thinking yesterday that the back images were probably the 6th box set cover, and it seems even more likely that is the case with the new DA rumors.
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Post by: Jaon
So...much....meantioning...of ...Sq*ts....
*HEFTS DAEMONHAMMER* MUST...PURGE!
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Post by: Bonde
It is starting to seem like the only two things that are certain this year is a 6th edition and a Chaos release, of course together with the mandatory Space Marines.
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Post by: Dysartes
Nah, the only certain things this year are, as always, death and taxes.
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Post by: warboss
Dysartes wrote:Nah, the only certain things this year are, as always, death and taxes.
You forgot the GW price "adjustment" in May.
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Post by: Redemption
d-usa wrote:Yes, I need more rumors to keep my predictions for the correct rumor alive. Project Prisoner (Dark Angels hunting Chaos Fallen to inprison/torture/save) for the win!
Or, the possibility that Project Prisoner refers to the old TV show 'The Prisoner', with the main character being called 'six'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_Six_(The_Prisoner)
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Post by: Brother SRM
H.B.M.C. wrote:Perhaps they really like the current Marine Codex (it is the most subdued of the Ward Collection), so want to keep it around for a while longer?
I really like the current Marine codex and wouldn't mind keeping it around for a couple more years.
Cadaver wrote:
Funny too, since I was thinking yesterday that the back images were probably the 6th box set cover, and it seems even more likely that is the case with the new DA rumors.
I doubt it's the cover, since so far we've just got a shot of a Dark Angel standing still and facing dead forward. I'd expect the typical giant batlte panorama with a screaming bald/balding man or two in it.
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Post by: agnosto
Kroothawk wrote: Why does this contradict Harry?
You're the one that posted the rumors from Harry and Ghost that pretty much said the BT or Tau were next with Tau being done for 18months. I could be getting my wires crossed but I'll blame that on old age if so.
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Post by: puma713
warboss wrote:Dysartes wrote:Nah, the only certain things this year are, as always, death and taxes.
You forgot the GW price "adjustment" in May.
$75 Land Raiders for everyone! (except the Aussies, we'll go $150 for them)
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Post by: Griever
Brother SRM wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Perhaps they really like the current Marine Codex (it is the most subdued of the Ward Collection), so want to keep it around for a while longer?
I really like the current Marine codex and wouldn't mind keeping it around for a couple more years.
Cadaver wrote:
Funny too, since I was thinking yesterday that the back images were probably the 6th box set cover, and it seems even more likely that is the case with the new DA rumors.
I doubt it's the cover, since so far we've just got a shot of a Dark Angel standing still and facing dead forward. I'd expect the typical giant batlte panorama with a screaming bald/balding man or two in it.
It's definitely the most balanced, best written codex out right now. Unfortunately, it needs a redo because Matt is quite obviously encouraging codex creep, especially amongst the SM codexes. Almost nobody plays the SM 'dex anymore, because Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights, and hell even Black Templars do it better.
Tactical Marines need a buff badly, even if they were just given counter attack or the ability to take two special OR heavy weapons. They're so bad compared to Grey Hunters, BA Assault Squads, Grey Knight Strike Squads, and even CSM squads.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Brother SRM wrote:I really like the current Marine codex and wouldn't mind keeping it around for a couple more years.
Plus there comes a point where you paint yourself into a corner with releases. With the last Marine release they had nothing new, so had to invent new units out of no where (Redeemer, Storm, Stern/Vanguard, Thunderfire) just to have new things to release (can't base a release around a re-cut Land Speeder and a Drop Pod). What the hell could they do this time besides turn some of the metal things they released into plastic (mostly redundant in the case of Stern/Vanguard) or invent more new units.
Better to move on and re-do an army that has a bad Codex. BT's make more sense from a model perspective (they have no kits besides the Sword Brethren) but they can at least do a Deathwing Terminator kit ala the Wolf Guard Termy kit for the DA.
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Post by: Screaming Echo
Wait just a god damn minute... No 6th edition Tyranid Codex because it was "written with 6th edition in mind"?
So I'm stuck with this codex for another Edition which could last, what, 5 years?
Nope nope nope. If these rumors are true, which I'm hoping to god they're not, I'm shelving the Nids and never looking back.
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Post by: ph34r
Screaming Echo wrote:Wait just a god damn minute... No 6th edition Tyranid Codex because it was "written with 6th edition in mind"?
So I'm stuck with this codex for another Edition which could last, what, 5 years?
Nope nope nope. If these rumors are true, which I'm hoping to god they're not, I'm shelving the Nids and never looking back.
You realize that some nid builds are borderline broken in the new rules, right?
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Post by: Screaming Echo
ph34r wrote:Screaming Echo wrote:Wait just a god damn minute... No 6th edition Tyranid Codex because it was "written with 6th edition in mind"?
So I'm stuck with this codex for another Edition which could last, what, 5 years?
Nope nope nope. If these rumors are true, which I'm hoping to god they're not, I'm shelving the Nids and never looking back.
You realize that some nid builds are borderline broken in the new rules, right?
You realize that those rules are going to change drastically when 6th actually comes out, right?
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Post by: Redemption
75hastings69 just confirmed a DA vs Chaos Space Marine starter kit.
With a plastic Chaos Dreadnought!
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Post by: Cyrax
Screaming Echo wrote:ph34r wrote:Screaming Echo wrote:Wait just a god damn minute... No 6th edition Tyranid Codex because it was "written with 6th edition in mind"?
So I'm stuck with this codex for another Edition which could last, what, 5 years?
Nope nope nope. If these rumors are true, which I'm hoping to god they're not, I'm shelving the Nids and never looking back.
You realize that some nid builds are borderline broken in the new rules, right?
You realize that those rules are going to change drastically when 6th actually comes out, right?
So maybe you should wait till the new edition comes out to see which ones?
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Post by: Brother SRM
Redemption wrote:75hastings69 just confirmed a DA vs Chaos Space Marine starter kit.
With a plastic Chaos Dreadnought!
Please link to the post/thread where he said this! I'm interested
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Post by: Redemption
Brother SRM wrote:Redemption wrote:75hastings69 just confirmed a DA vs Chaos Space Marine starter kit.
With a plastic Chaos Dreadnought!
Please link to the post/thread where he said this! I'm interested
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?331538-Rumors-from-BoK-Release-schedule&p=6060235&viewfull=1#post6060235
There you go.
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Post by: ph34r
Screaming Echo wrote:ph34r wrote:Screaming Echo wrote:Wait just a god damn minute... No 6th edition Tyranid Codex because it was "written with 6th edition in mind"?
So I'm stuck with this codex for another Edition which could last, what, 5 years?
Nope nope nope. If these rumors are true, which I'm hoping to god they're not, I'm shelving the Nids and never looking back.
You realize that some nid builds are borderline broken in the new rules, right?
You realize that those rules are going to change drastically when 6th actually comes out, right?
So, let me get this straight.
Fact: The 6e rules are rumored make Nids not only viable, but possibly OP.
Fact: You for some reason interpret "nids were written with 6th in mind" to mean nids will never get a good 6e codex
Fact: You are contemplating shelving your army based on the (likely incorrect) assumption that nids will A. be bad and B. not get another codex for a long time, which you uhh have zero idea about
Conclusion:
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Post by: Screaming Echo
Cyrax wrote:Screaming Echo wrote:ph34r wrote:Screaming Echo wrote:Wait just a god damn minute... No 6th edition Tyranid Codex because it was "written with 6th edition in mind"?
So I'm stuck with this codex for another Edition which could last, what, 5 years?
Nope nope nope. If these rumors are true, which I'm hoping to god they're not, I'm shelving the Nids and never looking back.
You realize that some nid builds are borderline broken in the new rules, right?
You realize that those rules are going to change drastically when 6th actually comes out, right?
So maybe you should wait till the new edition comes out to see which ones?
Yeah, I'll wait, but knowing my luck the new rules will probably not fix the overpriced monstrous creatures, the lack of invulnerable saves to defend against the abundance of low ap/power weapons and other such problems with the codex.
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Post by: Chimaera
There is plenty of entries they could move over to plastic from the SM's. I would be quite happy if they did as a way of celebrating the 6th Edition. At least they could put the Vanilla SM's to bed model wise and concentrate on all the other armies moving forward. There are also a couple of entries that could do with an update e.g. Scouts (rather 1 box set with all options and variation in sculpts) and maybe the Dread to include all weapons. The fabled TDA Cmdr/Libby lit would also be a good move.
I am hoping for to see a plastic Thunderwolf Cavalry kit although they are non codex. The timing could be good though for generating a 6th edition buzz amongst SW fans.
I am also happy to hear the DA's/Fallen will be getting some love being my second favourite army fluff wise. The model support at the moment is pretty pants. Hopefully they will give them some similar box sets to the SW's.
When you think about it there is plenty of little bits & some big bits for SM's? GW could do to generate a 6th edition buzz. I hope they go for it across the board.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Awesome, thanks!
Chimaera wrote:
I am also happy to hear the DA's/Fallen will be getting some love being my second favourite army fluff wise. The model support at the moment is pretty pants. Hopefully they will give them some similar box sets to the SW's.
You really think that? The current DA models are very, very nice. Lots of details and options, and not quite as overblinged as BA bits. A Deathwing Terminator box would be pretty cool though.
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Post by: puma713
Wonder if Cypher will be in the boxed set as a promotional model, much like the characters in the AoBR and Island of Blood boxes.
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Post by: Screaming Echo
ph34r wrote:Screaming Echo wrote:ph34r wrote:Screaming Echo wrote:Wait just a god damn minute... No 6th edition Tyranid Codex because it was "written with 6th edition in mind"?
So I'm stuck with this codex for another Edition which could last, what, 5 years?
Nope nope nope. If these rumors are true, which I'm hoping to god they're not, I'm shelving the Nids and never looking back.
You realize that some nid builds are borderline broken in the new rules, right?
You realize that those rules are going to change drastically when 6th actually comes out, right?
So, let me get this straight.
Fact: The 6e rules are rumored make Nids not only viable, but possibly OP.
Fact: You for some reason interpret "nids were written with 6th in mind" to mean nids will never get a good 6e codex
Fact: You are contemplating shelving your army based on the (likely incorrect) assumption that nids will A. be bad and B. not get another codex for a long time, which you uhh have zero idea about
Conclusion:
For starters the rumors aren't fact. The rules you see in the leaked 6th edition has already been rumored to have changed a lot. Secondly, have you not read the rumors in this thread stating that none of the 5th edition codecis would get updated in 6th edition because they were already written for 6th? Thirdly, I'm contemplating shelving my army because it's become so stale to play over the past few years that not seeing a new codex for another few years isn't really lighting that spark for me to continue to play them.
So from what I've read so far, yes, I'll most likely shelve them. IF all the rumors are true. Unless 6th edition fixes a lot of problems, that is.
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Post by: junk
Cool - Hope they're good kits.
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Post by: 1hadhq
DA - Ravenwing - bikes redone?
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Post by: Brother SRM
puma713 wrote:Wonder if Cypher will be in the boxed set as a promotional model, much like the characters in the AoBR and Island of Blood boxes.
I kind of doubt that, if only because they kept the captain and warboss in AoBR generic.
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Post by: ph34r
The real question is, if the new starter marines are DA, will the new face of noobie marines be robed?
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Post by: Mantle
I can see eldar coming before 6th edition, IIRC thats what has happened the past few editions I think... :S
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Post by: coyotius
Great news for my friend who plays both DA and CSM but terrible news for me...if true.
DA getting a two year leap over BT? Going to be some SM flame wars over that.
I see Tau and Eldar now fighting for Fall 2013 since the trend would suggest either BT or C:SM after CSM...again assuming that this is all true.
My only hope is that 6E bears a passing resemblance to the leaked PDF and the new rail rules are for real...plus a good FAQ. Speaking of which I thought I read that both the BT and Tau FAQs were NOT updated this last go 'round.
If it weren't for the WD cover mystery I'd say there is some mis-information being spread concerning the next SM release...to what end, who knows.
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Post by: DIDM
puma713 wrote:Wonder if Cypher will be in the boxed set as a promotional model, much like the characters in the AoBR and Island of Blood boxes.
lets hope so
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Post by: Kroothawk
Hastings statements on the starter box:
75hastings69 wrote:which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos
Interesting
Fingers crossed...DA's and CSM.
Not "just" CSM
Demons too?
No
Cultists / Traitor Guardsmen perhaps?
Glad to see you back in rumor-mongery, Hastings.
Not back in, just lending credence to this as I know it's correct.
No, there are rumors that may be complete fabrications about BT, Tau, Eldar, and Chaos. Strangers on the net don't trump White Dwarf.
Agreed (etc. etc.)
I wouldn't think that these are the entirety of this year's possible releases - books perhaps, but I'd be surprised if there weren't one or two waves.
Correct (ish )
(...)
I don't know if the spine images are anything to do with DA, 6th starter or the 25th year of 40k but I do know that most of the stuff posted is correct. 6th starter does indeed feature DA and the forces of chaos, including a nice plastic chaos dread
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Post by: Experiment 626
Screaming Echo wrote:For starters the rumors aren't fact. The rules you see in the leaked 6th edition has already been rumored to have changed a lot. Secondly, have you not read the rumors in this thread stating that none of the 5th edition codecis would get updated in 6th edition because they were already written for 6th? Thirdly, I'm contemplating shelving my army because it's become so stale to play over the past few years that not seeing a new codex for another few years isn't really lighting that spark for me to continue to play them.
So from what I've read so far, yes, I'll most likely shelve them. IF all the rumors are true. Unless 6th edition fixes a lot of problems, that is.
*sigh*
You really, honestly think that GW is going to sit back and only update;
Dark Angels
Black Templars
Chaos Marines
Tau
Eldar
Orks
And leave it at that for the next 5-6 years?!! 
Seriously? No way is GW going to;
a) Go an entire edition of 40k without updating their entire company's flagship army!
b) Leave half the armies in the game 'as is' when there's obvious problems to address within each book.
Marines, BA's, SW's, DE, IG, Tyranids, GK's, Necrons & Daemons may all have to wait their turn for awhile now, but 6 books isn't going to even begin to fill 5+ years worth of 40k releases.
More likely we'll probably, (re hopefully), see at least 4 of the above armies before we see any of the 5th ed books get a looking at. Once the 6 books that still need an update are looked at, hopefully GW will see fit to look into both the 'nids and daemons.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Chaos Dreadnought )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Cool. I'll buy it, mainly for the CSM, but probably in part for the 6th edition rulebook.
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Post by: coyotius
CSM possibly getting LatD/Cultists back? Now that is interesting.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
As long as the Chaos Dread isn't only available in the starter kit (like Ork Deff Koptas are now) and they get a full proper plastic Dread when the 'Dex comes out, then it'll be fine.
But I've had my fingers burnt too many times with Chaos, so I'll believe "Cultists/Mutants" when I see it.
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Post by: Sasori
I'm really curious what they are going to do for the DA dex, to make it somewhat unique. It seems like almost everything they can do now, other codexes can do better.
Starter set being DA vs CSM sounds interesting.
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Post by: thunderingjove
Wasn't there a rumor somewhere or other that the GW writers couldn't figure out what to do with Dark Angels? Won't to rumored (and likely) change to Preferred Enemy make Black Templars very overpowered? I like Blood of Kittens and TastyTaste, but I don't think I'll put my bets on this leak.
Here's my (uninformed) speculations:
1). Black Templar released, because it's next in line;
2). Sixth edition will follow, based on the leak Tastytaste has disavowed, because it's so professional and so similar to the eighth edition Fantasy Battles;
3). The box set will be Necron vs. Black Templar;
4). Tau will be released, because its next in line.
Odds?
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Post by: acekevin8412
@Experiment 626
I have to disagree. It's not unprecedented for an army to be put on the back burner for 7 years and 2 editions for an update. So, right now I fear that some of my favorite armies, CSM, Tau and Eldar are going to get marginalized.
Oh well at least I still have my Guard...
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Post by: Starfarer
H.B.M.C. wrote:As long as the Chaos Dread isn't only available in the starter kit (like Ork Deff Koptas are now) and they get a full proper plastic Dread when the 'Dex comes out, then it'll be fine.
But I've had my fingers burnt too many times with Chaos, so I'll believe "Cultists/Mutants" when I see it.
Agreed. A plastic Dread in the starter is great, and I'm actually really excited about that, but we better get a proper Chaos Dreadnought kit as well. Perhaps we'll see a generic Black Legion style starter box Dread and a full kit with legion-specific bits in a separate box.
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Post by: warboss
Sasori wrote:I'm really curious what they are going to do for the DA dex, to make it somewhat unique. It seems like almost everything they can do now, other codexes can do better.
Starter set being DA vs CSM sounds interesting.
There's still room for plenty of extras. Keeping the whole current mix and match of regular and assault terminator weapons is a must (but SW also have that albeit for more points) and so is the Deathwing 1st turn deep strike assault. They could easily spin the fluff of having more gear than most chapters/legions into giving Deathwing termies 2 heavy weapons per 5 man squad ala 3rd edition terminators. Finally, there's some more accurate deepstriking via independent teleport homers (like the SW cyberbirds runepriests get or GK cyberskulls) placed on the table prior to deployment... preferred enemy for Deathwing towards an Independent character and, if attached, to the squad he's currently joined with. Those are just a few off the top of my head for Deathwing.
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Post by: Ehsteve
Wonder if they'll use generic terminators (99% likely) or ones with DA iconography regardless of how sparse (1%). Some DA terminators could push me over the edge and into getting a deathwing army.
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Post by: Brother SRM
I could see the set being Deathwing vs. this sort of mixed Chaos army, just to illustrate the difference between elite units, hordes, and REALLY elite units.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Sasori wrote:I'm really curious what they are going to do for the DA dex, to make it somewhat unique. It seems like almost everything they can do now, other codexes can do better.
Starter set being DA vs CSM sounds interesting.
Wait, if that's the case, then does that mean the DA will become the GW posterboys? That would be an interesting change. I mean, the DA are a hell lot more badass than Ultrasmurfs.
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Post by: d-usa
Wait, if that's the case, then does that mean the DA will become the GW posterboys?
That would be an interesting change.
I mean, the DA are a hell lot more badass than Ultrasmurfs.
Other chapters have been in the limelight before. Rouge Trader was Crimson Fists:  2nd Edition was Blood Angels v. Orks I think?  3rd Edition was Black Templars:  4th and 5th were both Space Marines, so a whole 40% of 40K Rulebooks/Boxed sets have featured Ultramarines, but everybody is all "Herp Derp, GW is allways Ultramarines". Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.
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Post by: catharsix
Kroothawk wrote:
Summary:
Starter Set includes Dark Angels vs. Chaos. Chaos includes CSM, some traitor guard/cultists and a CSM deadnought.
I am wary of how GW-produced traitor guard/cultists will look, but a plastic CSM Dread *IN* the Big Black Box, makes me much, much more likely to buy 6th. Better start some more wheeling and dealing so I can justify to the wife setting aside the cash for it...
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Post by: AresX8
Can't wait to see what the Dread looks like.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
So long as Jarvis isn't writing Dark angels again. I could potentially see the book turning out good.
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Post by: thunderingjove
Although I don't think Dark Angels are next, I DO really want to see how they make them work. It's a tall order to give them an unique set of attributes as standard the rule mechanics and their fluff.
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Post by: Talliostro
d-usa wrote:
4th and 5th were both Space Marines, so a whole 40% of 40K Rulebooks/Boxed sets have featured Ultramarines, but everybody is all "Herp Derp, GW is allways Ultramarines".
Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.
My best guess is, that many users who write that kinda stuff about the Ultramarines are in fact too young for the old editions before 4th. That would at least explain most of that cr..
Okay enough rant, I'm honest, I don't believe the traitor guards thing. Chaos can't use them until the next Codex comes out and I don't hink, that GW would make molds for Miniatures, that can't be used properly in the "open game" far from the maybe story-campaign in the Starter Box.
So, proper Traitor Guards - yes but not until the new Chaos Codex.
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Post by: endtransmission
Talliostro wrote:Okay enough rant, I'm honest, I don't believe the traitor guards thing. Chaos can't use them until the next Codex comes out and I don't hink, that GW would make molds for Miniatures, that can't be used properly in the "open game" far from the maybe story-campaign in the Starter Box.
So, proper Traitor Guards - yes but not until the new Chaos Codex.
Don't forget that if, as rumoured, the Chaos codex is due out soon after 6th Ed, that should put it for release before the starter box release...
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Post by: Davor
thunderingjove wrote:Although I don't think Dark Angels are next, I DO really want to see how they make them work. It's a tall order to give them an unique set of attributes as standard the rule mechanics and their fluff.
Well when the Space Wolves was coming out did we really expect Wolf Riders? Did we really expect anything like Jaws of the White Wolf (or is it World Wolf?). Same for Blood Angels. Did we expect D/S Landraiders or what ever they got.
I don't think DA will be having Riding Loins or anything like that but they will have something unextpected that nobody will be expecting that will make them unique.
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Post by: biccat
Ugh, Dark Angels.
I don't understand why GW can't release a box set without Imperial Space Marines. CSM vs. IG would have been an excellent combination.
Yes, yes, I know, posterboys and all that.
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Post by: Experiment 626
acekevin8412 wrote:@Experiment 626
I have to disagree. It's not unprecedented for an army to be put on the back burner for 7 years and 2 editions for an update. So, right now I fear that some of my favorite armies, CSM, Tau and Eldar are going to get marginalized.
Oh well at least I still have my Guard...
Going by the latest rumors, Tau & Eldar won't be untill 2013 at the earliest, so that does indeed put them in the 7-8+ year cycle. Chaos meanwhile is being touted as the 'main evil-doers' focus of 6th and are rumored to be coming out latter this year as evidenced in this thread.
I highly doubt we'll get the final 6 armies that need updating without at least one or two of the other books like Codex: Smurfs thrown into the mix first, but we should hopefully see the likes of Tau, Eldar, Orks, Black Templars and the like getting the 6th ed treatment before the likes of say Blood Angels or Space Puppies.
40k codicies aren't in nearly the same poop-fest that Fantasy books currently are. While some armies may be suffering due to recent releases, it's not like any book has as of yet, become completely unplayable! (unlike what happened to undead when 8th came out)
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Post by: d-usa
Dark Angels vs. a possible CSM/Traitor Guard mix sounds like a possible answer to the initial complaints of being a PA v. PA box and both armies playing similar.
i think an important portion of the box set is that the two armies play differently so that you can learn the different aspects of the rules and have some variety. 5th Edition had a shooty and elite army facing of against a horde assault focused army.
With the rumored setup you can have a very elite Deathwing or a highly mobile Ravenwing (although my money is on Deathwing hunting down a Fallen) vs. a mix of PA CSM and horde traitor guard. This would pack an interesting mix of play styles and unit types in one box. Maybe the CSM are raptors just to add another unit type in the mix.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
catharsix wrote:Kroothawk wrote:
Summary:
Starter Set includes Dark Angels vs. Chaos. Chaos includes CSM, some traitor guard/cultists and a CSM deadnought.
I am wary of how GW-produced traitor guard/cultists will look
Why? FW traitor guard are very good looking fellows. Relatively speaking.
Unless you're afraid of Cadiafication.
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Post by: Zid
So I start a DA army with the prospect of having my DW for a bit... only to now find out that I may have to rework it :( Well, at least the painting has yet to commence. Bring on the DA!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Clarification by Hastings:
75hastings69 wrote:Having re-read this thread I want to point out that I am only confirming the starter as DA vs chaos NOT the DA & CSM codex release dates. The next 40k releases are :- 'nids, SW, necrons (all models only no codex)
My point exactly - I doubt DA will get a Codex before Templars. Harry's seen the models, and other sources have "confirmed" that they're coming soon (even if the specifics they delivered weren't accurate). I'm betting on Black Templars as the next Codex.
Has he????
I'll take that bet
(...)
BTW I'd also like to say the "leaked" 6th is a crock of **** an elaborate and well written crock but a crock non the less.
Also:
Ericthegreen wrote:My source says Tau, Templars, Chaos and Eldar books. Nothing about DA other than DA being in the box with Chaos (because Chaos will have cultist and renegade options as well as their marines).
Then again, my source also calls BS on the rules leak being official. He says from what he's seen, they're not near 6th at all. And as I know he's had sight of the rules for 6th and the above books, I'm inclined to believe him.
(...)
I still see no rumours that say Dark angels book. All my sources say Chaos and Eldar as the first 2 books of 6th ed.
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
Talliostro wrote:d-usa wrote:
4th and 5th were both Space Marines, so a whole 40% of 40K Rulebooks/Boxed sets have featured Ultramarines, but everybody is all "Herp Derp, GW is allways Ultramarines".
Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.
My best guess is, that many users who write that kinda stuff about the Ultramarines are in fact too young for the old editions before 4th. That would at least explain most of that cr..
Yeah, that's true. I joined during 4th ed, and since then it appeared to me that it was always about the Ultras. I had no idea that Black Templars were once the posterboys.
Question is though, did these other chapter receive as much flak as the ultramarines? I mean, I have yet to see an insult for BT, CF and BA.
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
Oooh, if it's around the 500 pt per army mark, that could be something lovely like...
A DA independent character (probably a Company Master -- equivalent to a C:SM Captain)
A 5-man Deathwing squad
A 3-man Ravenwing squad
vs
Chaos Lord
5-man CSM squad
Chaos Dreadnought
10-man or 15-man Traitor Guard squad
I would buy at least one box.
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Post by: d-usa
I have been planing on building a Nurgle Traitor Guard and just play them with the IG codex, but rumors of this new Chaos Codex has me excited.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Sasori wrote:I'm really curious what they are going to do for the DA dex, to make it somewhat unique. It seems like almost everything they can do now, other codexes can do better.
Starter set being DA vs CSM sounds interesting.
To paraphrase a wise man:
Warhammer in the 401st Century is the exciting game of Space Marines versus other Space Marines, who are painted a different color. Will the dress-wearing Space Marines overcome the spike-wearing Space Marines? Will the bike-riding Space Marines defeat the fat and gross Space Marines, or will the feather-wearing Space Marines win it all? Only you can decide!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Kroothawk wrote:Hastings statements on the starter box:
75hastings69 wrote:which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos
Interesting
Fingers crossed...DA's and CSM.
Not "just" CSM
Demons too?
No
Cultists / Traitor Guardsmen perhaps?
Glad to see you back in rumor-mongery, Hastings.
Not back in, just lending credence to this as I know it's correct.
No, there are rumors that may be complete fabrications about BT, Tau, Eldar, and Chaos. Strangers on the net don't trump White Dwarf.
Agreed (etc. etc.)
I wouldn't think that these are the entirety of this year's possible releases - books perhaps, but I'd be surprised if there weren't one or two waves.
Correct (ish )
(...)
I don't know if the spine images are anything to do with DA, 6th starter or the 25th year of 40k but I do know that most of the stuff posted is correct. 6th starter does indeed feature DA and the forces of chaos, including a nice plastic chaos dread
Kroothawk wrote:Clarification by Hastings:
75hastings69 wrote:Having re-read this thread I want to point out that I am only confirming the starter as DA vs chaos NOT the DA & CSM codex release dates. The next 40k releases are :- 'nids, SW, necrons (all models only no codex)
My point exactly - I doubt DA will get a Codex before Templars. Harry's seen the models, and other sources have "confirmed" that they're coming soon (even if the specifics they delivered weren't accurate). I'm betting on Black Templars as the next Codex.
Has he????
I'll take that bet
(...)
BTW I'd also like to say the "leaked" 6th is a crock of **** an elaborate and well written crock but a crock non the less.
Also:
Ericthegreen wrote:My source says Tau, Templars, Chaos and Eldar books. Nothing about DA other than DA being in the box with Chaos (because Chaos will have cultist and renegade options as well as their marines).
Then again, my source also calls BS on the rules leak being official. He says from what he's seen, they're not near 6th at all. And as I know he's had sight of the rules for 6th and the above books, I'm inclined to believe him.
(...)
I still see no rumours that say Dark angels book. All my sources say Chaos and Eldar as the first 2 books of 6th ed.
So DA vs chaos is pretty solid for the starter set.
But pre-6th ed mostly 2nd wave releases and no codices? Because this here reads like we don't have any codices close to release date yet.
January. VC - whfb
February LoTR
March, april, may, june , july = 4 months on the way to 6th ed.
If we have 4 codices WIP or ready ( BT, Tau , chaos , Eldar ) and some missing models of missing 2nd waves, I'd prefer to get the waves first and the codices properly as 6th ed release.
There would be another fantasy release in this, yes? So 1 month of 2nd waves , 1 for whfb , and the schedule is filled to a point where 2 codices before 6th hits aren't likely. Chaos could replace the vanilla dex as first dex. The other 3 don't have strong rumors to "see" them coming soon IMO. Maybe a 2nd second wave and something dedicated to the 25th anniversary to fill the gaps?
CthuluIsSpy wrote:Talliostro wrote:d-usa wrote:
4th and 5th were both Space Marines, so a whole 40% of 40K Rulebooks/Boxed sets have featured Ultramarines, but everybody is all "Herp Derp, GW is allways Ultramarines".
Dark Angels have not been featured in a boxed set, so it is something I can see happening.
My best guess is, that many users who write that kinda stuff about the Ultramarines are in fact too young for the old editions before 4th. That would at least explain most of that cr..
Yeah, that's true. I joined during 4th ed, and since then it appeared to me that it was always about the Ultras. I had no idea that Black Templars were once the posterboys.
Question is though, did these other chapter receive as much flak as the ultramarines? I mean, I have yet to see an insult for BT, CF and BA.
To insult a BT and live? unlikely....
The BT were just basic marines in the starter set and the templar cross added to the decal sheet like some others ( white scars, Sallies, IF, etc etc ) and you got a new xeno army: Dark Eldar. B T got a nice illustration and a place on the decal sheet. Nothing would hinder you from painting the "newly" bought marines the way you wanted.
Compare this to ultramarine heavy starter sets, spearhead boxes, codices covered in ultramarines...in 3rd ultras weren't Teh marines, just one of them.
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Post by: combatmedic
Anything that brings my first and favorite army back to playability I'm all for, even more so after the rumors that they where going to be special-charactered into the next vanilla marine dex.
However, I have been hurt before over this army, and my current fears of the army being even worse than before or being so OP that no one would want to play against them still has me on edge.
We shall see.
EDIT: As a side note, I can't help but feel that the only reason that we are seeing the Dark Angel on the WD is that they are just going to have every legion represented for some big event, maybe a Horus Hersey codex or something. And the DA is first because of their legion number.
Just a guess
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Post by: CthuluIsSpy
...then why the hate for ultras? I could understand the hate if they were always in the spotlight, but if that's not the case then why?
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Post by: doubled
Well we know that fantasy and lord of the rings just got big releases. We also know that means that the next big release should be a 40k release.
Releases have been going xenos-imperium-xenos-imperium as of late, the only anomaly being orks-daemons.
It is the 25th anniversary of 40k.
Going off of this I would make a guess at BT or DA being the next release for 40k, then may/june being another fantasy army for which I will say dwarves out of sheer random guessing, and august being the 6th ed drop with the starter kit coming out in October. Then that leaves vanilla marines and either BT/DA based on what wasn't done just before 6th and chaos and Tau.
For the record these are just guesses based on the current info swirling around the net.
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Post by: Ozymandias
Is it weird that, as a DA player, I don't want them coming out until after the 6th Ed SM book?
I just don't want to have all my cool new shiny toys completely made redundant by a new SM book (again...).
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Post by: combatmedic
Ozymandias wrote:Is it weird that, as a DA player, I don't want them coming out until after the 6th Ed SM book?
I just don't want to have all my cool new shiny toys completely made redundant by a new SM book (again...).
I know that feeling. I came back to the game right after 5th came out, wasn't DA's the last 4th edtion book? Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
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Post by: Cyrax
Who is writing the DA Codex by the way?
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Post by: ShottyScotty
Why oh why do update rumours have to contradict themselves so often? Black Templars are next! Tau is next! No they arent, Dark Angels are Next! Not quite, Eldar are next!
How is it that we find so much news and speculations from supposedly reliable sources and they always say "xxxxx" army is next while the next source says "yyyyy" army is next? Sure, I'd love to have Tau or Templars soon. We have been waiting a very long time for them. And from my experience, there are more people I know who play Tau and templar than DA. (Tau is a favourite among my gaming community) But whether or not you have waited longer shouldnt be what makes your army the next to update! I love reading rumours and leaks, I just want these "announcements" to not contradict eachother! Why must they torment me so?
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Post by: combatmedic
ShottyScotty wrote: And from my experience, there are more people I know who play Tau and templar than DA. (Tau is a favourite among my gaming community) ?
I see this often. Who the heck is playing Templar? I have not seen a BT player in years. I go to any GW store in the OC area and I see tons of Dark Angel armies on display and being used as "Green Marines", but never a BT player. Friends from around the country report the same. Where is everyone going that has these damn BT players?
Tau I see a lot of though... they need an update.
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Post by: Revarien
H.B.M.C. wrote:As long as the Chaos Dread isn't only available in the starter kit (like Ork Deff Koptas are now)...
They have a separate Ork Deff Kopta currently...
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440267a&prodId=prod1060174 (pic below)
It is 33$ though and for that price, if you want 3 then you might as well buy the AoBR. Or better yet, just split with a marine player...
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Post by: Lockark
Cyrax wrote:Who is writing the DA Codex by the way?
Every SM book released in this edition was written by Matt Ward.... The only exception was Space Wolves by Phil Kelly. So I'm going to take a wild guess that unless Matt Ward is writing the new edition, He's doing Dark Angles.
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Post by: ShottyScotty
combatmedic wrote:ShottyScotty wrote: And from my experience, there are more people I know who play Tau and templar than DA. (Tau is a favourite among my gaming community) ?
I see this often. Who the heck is playing Templar? I have not seen a BT player in years. I go to any GW store in the OC area and I see tons of Dark Angel armies on display and being used as "Green Marines", but never a BT player. Friends from around the country report the same. Where is everyone going that has these damn BT players?
Tau I see a lot of though... they need an update.
The point I was trying to put was that how long some one has been waiting for an update shouldnt be the reason for them to have an update. I just want the rumors to compliment each other and agree with each other, not contradict everything
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Post by: wyomingfox
From Harry on Warseer:
So me saying there was a Nid wave wasn't good enough for you then.
So Just to be clear.
I have not said that I seen Black Templar minis....
But let me just say BT sculpts have been done and have been done for over 18 months.
They are a bit special ... but then I heard they were done by Juan Diaz and Jes ... so they would be a bit special.
But just because they were done 18 months ago does not mean they are coming anytime soon.
There is so much stuff knocking around for 40K it is not even funny.
I suspect the stuff in the 40K starter set was done at least this long ago .... which may be why there are no new rumours about them.
The Skaven stuff in the Fantasy box set was done nearly 3 years before release.
I remember at the time all the rumours flying around about the which two armies would be in there and nonsense about last minute changes when the armies were set in stone years before.
The same will be true with this starter set.
Which I can not believe we are still discussing .....
If Hastings says it is Dark angels V's Chaos you can be pretty sure it is.
I would bet pie on it!
Oh ... and I posted ages ago to say that the Chaos codex would be the first codex of 6th edition.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?331538-Rumors-from-BoK-Release-schedule/page10
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Post by: Fishboy
ShottyScotty wrote:Why oh why do update rumours have to contradict themselves so often? Black Templars are next! Tau is next! No they arent, Dark Angels are Next! Not quite, Eldar are next!
How is it that we find so much news and speculations from supposedly reliable sources and they always say "xxxxx" army is next while the next source says "yyyyy" army is next? Sure, I'd love to have Tau or Templars soon. We have been waiting a very long time for them. And from my experience, there are more people I know who play Tau and templar than DA. (Tau is a favourite among my gaming community) But whether or not you have waited longer shouldnt be what makes your army the next to update! I love reading rumours and leaks, I just want these "announcements" to not contradict eachother! Why must they torment me so?
The reality is that GW is all over the map. Nailing anything down is tough as they typically change their release dates often internally. It was my understanding that BT were next but my information came months ago meaning GW may have shifted things around. If it is more than 6 weeks out GW can change their mind heh.
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Post by: Piz
No Chaos until Oct/Nov :(?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Revarien wrote:They have a separate Ork Deff Kopta currently...
I dunno if an ancient Gorkamorka model really counts.
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Post by: Grimgob
Wait wasn't our sad excuse for a warbuggie a Gorkamorka era model also?
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Post by: matphat
I don't care when it was from, it's one of the worst looking models in the game and I refuse to buy it.
Robogear to the rescue.
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Post by: Grimgob
I agree 100%. Someone was actuall saying the buggie was a great looking model in the Tyranid rumer thread.
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Post by: Semper
I think in regards to the starter box set is omg..omg..omg...omg.. full homer simpson style.
I'll start saving my £50 now!
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Post by: BobTheChainsaw
feth, I wanted Black Templars. I even bought a bunch of BT stuff in anticipation. Oh well, guess I'll stick with the 4th edition 'dex...
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Post by: d-usa
BobTheChainsaw wrote:feth, I wanted Black Templars. I even bought a bunch of BT stuff in anticipation. Oh well, guess I'll stick with the 4th edition 'dex...
Did you actually read the last page or two?
Rumor roundup is this:
BT: new dex, but not in starter set.
DA: in starter box, but no new dex.
Also, you need to watch your language (the filter catches the curse word, but it is visible when you are being quoted).
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Post by: Commander Cain
A starter kit full of marines and guardsmen, count me in! Time to get out the spike remover and get 'a choppin!
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Post by: spyguyyoda
d-usa wrote:
Did you actually read the last page or two?
Rumor roundup is this:
BT: new dex, but not in starter set.
DA: in starter box, but no new dex.
d-usa, thank you. I was annoyed after I read the update to the OP, and didn't read any of the more recent comments. You have saved me days of frustration
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Post by: timetowaste85
d-usa wrote:BobTheChainsaw wrote:feth, I wanted Black Templars. I even bought a bunch of BT stuff in anticipation. Oh well, guess I'll stick with the 4th edition 'dex...
Did you actually read the last page or two? Rumor roundup is this: BT: new dex, but not in starter set. DA: in starter box, but no new dex. Also, you need to watch your language (the filter catches the curse word, but it is visible when you are being quoted).
I went out and bought 5 upgrade boxes of BT myself, finally able to spend the cash to do so and finally setting down on a SM chapter I love. Maybe Crimson Fists as a second chapter. I'm totally lost on the rumors now though-I thought DA was now next, and BT was no longer a happening thing (in the near future). Time to go back and look at changes...sigh...still want my BT now... And to the guys saying they haven't seen BT players-I play BT. Come to the middle of New York, and you'll find a BT player! Lol. Idk how many more of us there are, but I play em and love em! edit-I went back and looked at the first post-it says DA/Fallen in April-ish, and BT won't be til after Chaos (which hits in the fall). So...not sure where you're getting the information in the first page saying BT is getting the new dex-it ain't happening for a while
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Post by: Kroothawk
Maybe this confession is also of importance
ghost21 wrote:I made It up,I wont be posting any more
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Post by: timetowaste85
Kroothawk wrote:Maybe this confession is also of importance
ghost21 wrote:I made It up,I wont be posting any more
Which part did he make up? I think you have to be more specific, Kroot... lol
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Post by: Kroothawk
Well, this was a small post in the thread titled "The credibility of the current wave of rumours ", started when Hastings said 80% of current rumours are deliberately made up and that's the reason why he stopped posting rumours. So have a guess
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Post by: d-usa
From the links provided it looks like our more reliable rumor-source stated that the schedule should look something like this:
One codex prior to 6th Edition being released. (Keep in mind that the release of 6th edition is a separate event from the release of the 6th Edition boxed set). Looks like the more relieable rumors point towards Black Templars for this release. Models and codex both if the rumors can be believed.
The started box includes Dark Angels and Chaos (rumors pointing to a CSM/Cultists/Renegate mix). Dark Angels will probably get some new models in the box at least, not sure about any rumors for a whole wave. No new codex for DA though.
First codex after 6th Edition launch (so possibly after the launch of the rules, but before the launch of the box or at the same time as the box) should be the new Chaos Codex then. We have had various rumors of having 3 Chaos Codices ( CSM/Traitor Guard/Daemons) similar to WFB (Warrior/Beastmen/Deamons) but personally if the box-set has both CSM and Cultitst then I think we will have one big codex.
That seems to be the rumor roundup as far as I know it. Of course tomorrow it oculd be different.
We currently have two rumor threads talking about the same thing, so the news are kind of fragmented. If you look through the " White Dwarf Picture" Thread you can find some more of the rumors that are from the more reliable source. That might help clear up some confusion.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Ah, I'll jump back over there. I'd much rather have BT next, believe me. Especially since my friend JUST got his Necrons updated, he doesn't need his DA updated as the very next codex!! I haven't actually had a codex update since I got into the game-each army took place after its codex came out. Oh, except my fantasy orcs. Yeah...that's the only army I have that got an update since I picked it up.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
Is the starter box actually "confirmed" or is it "confirmed" by rumor-mongers.
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Post by: Milisim
Why dont they just put the damn lame Marine codex in the damn BRB.... That way we can at lerast start the ball rolling on armies that actually NEED a new codex.... IE: Most armies OTHER than a space marine Sub chapter etc....
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