punkow wrote:but they're showing just some concept art/ sketches ???
If they have the freakin' models why the hell they don't show em???

They don't physically have the models in their possession, GW probably sent them pictures and said "don't actually show these until they're released, just hint about them,"

ah... ok... so that's deceptive advertising...

It seems obvious to me that they're on good terms with GW or at least someone from GW and are allowed access. When you think about it, it's a good arrangement. If you care about 'leaks' you get them, thinly veiled as they are.

Dez wrote:At least the Stormtalon has a nice smile. It'll make a swell Gargant head.

I agree. I will probably use it as the head for my looted Voltron/Power Rangers megagargant I am making.

The Stormtalon is horrible. It doesn't look like it belongs with the rest of the SM line. The first thing that came to mind when I saw it was Mantic's Warpath. It looks exactly like something Mantic would produce for their game. It wants to be 40k but it just fails on so many levels.

Flashman wrote:

punkow wrote:but they're showing just some concept art/ sketches ???
If they have the freakin' models why the hell they don't show em???

GW got very cross following the Necron leak last October... like very cross

I can't imagine they'd be too pleased about this either.

Flashman wrote:

punkow wrote:but they're showing just some concept art/ sketches ???
If they have the freakin' models why the hell they don't show em???

GW got very cross following the Necron leak last October... like very cross

They wouldn't get leaks if they showed us stuff before it came out at a decent time. Why is it ok to showcase a videogame or movie several years out but not ok for a gw to do it with their models more than a week in advance?

I like the look of the Talon. if my BA can take them as fast attack i'll get 2 or 3 when they come out.

Here's hoping the weapons are easily magnetized

Just Dave wrote:

Flashman wrote:

punkow wrote:but they're showing just some concept art/ sketches ???
If they have the freakin' models why the hell they don't show em???

GW got very cross following the Necron leak last October... like very cross

I can't imagine they'd be too pleased about this either.

Not copyright images I guess. To be honest I'd rather have waited for the proper pics though. The Ork stuff just looks like every Ork fighta bomma released by forgeworld for the last decade or so.

Saphos wrote:The sketch of the Necron walker turned out to be taken from the boxart/WDpictures (can´t remember what), so I think these are quite genuine, too. The endresult in case of the walker unsurprisingly being better then the sketch.

BOW 'leaked' sketch


Actual model


Box art


Codex Art

Waow stormtalon can be attached to a deep striking unit!...thats awesome and hinting that a stormtalon cannot be attached to another storm talon that deep strikes. Meaning they can likely also deep strike on their own.

Guessing it only has 11 Armour all round. But like necrons packs a nasty bite.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Flashman wrote:

punkow wrote:but they're showing just some concept art/ sketches ???
If they have the freakin' models why the hell they don't show em???

GW got very cross following the Necron leak last October... like very cross

They wouldn't get leaks if they showed us stuff before it came out at a decent time. Why is it ok to showcase a videogame or movie several years out but not ok for a gw to do it with their models more than a week in advance?

Indeed... doesn't stop them being cross though

puma713 wrote:

how...how does that thing fly mommy?

I copied the 3 pics to the Autumn of Fliers thread, so nobody has to wade through 10 pages of spam.

swampyturtle wrote:how...how does that thing fly mommy?

By trust in the emperor

yep. talon looks a bit odd. although think pic oversized underslung gun. forgeworlds armoured landspeeder would have been a better choice. i think the hint of 6ed harder to shoot fast things is going to be the only way to keep birds flying either that or our boards are going to start getting masive terrain on them. which with all the latest fantasy terrain isnt such a big leap

Dez wrote:At least the Stormtalon has a nice smile. It'll make a swell Gargant head.

Heh. Good point. It reminds me of the head of the old Battletech Hatchetman mech.

Lord Scythican wrote:Are you good at running the numbers for something like this? What kind of to hit/damage ratio would we be looking at for something like a landraider?

Let me take a look - I ran the Vendetta (and other IG units) vs. AV 14 when the IG codex came out. I might be able to do a rough comparison to that.

Assuming:
+1 BS for Hoverstrike
155 pts w/ TL Lascannon and Typhoon ML

I'm doing this in a rush, so my numbers may not be correct, but I get 0.081 AV 14 kills/turn. Compare this to a Vendetta which I have in my notes kills 0.096 AV 14/turn. Vendetta is probably cheaper, so the Vendetta is still better.

Considering that most of the vehicles you're seeing these days, though, are AV 11 and 12, I don't think that's necessarily the best yardstick by which to measure it. That said, I think it's still going to be points inefficient compared to Rifleman dreads and ML Devs. If you want to kill AV 14, melta is still the way to go.

swampyturtle wrote:

puma713 wrote:

how...how does that thing fly mommy?

That's like asking how the Stormraven or Valkyries fly. They just do, it doesn't make sense but they do. Besides, it has downward thrusters, that's enough (apparently)

In the words of Mr Burns, 'I know what I hate... and I don't hate this' okay to be fair not sure I love it either, but if that sucker is in the eventual Dark Angels book, I could see me fielding one or two.

swampyturtle wrote:

puma713 wrote:

how...how does that thing fly mommy?

In much the same way as a Harrier jump jet one supposes, though it couldn't maintain forward momentum with the angle the jets are at in the pic...

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Dez wrote:At least the Stormtalon has a nice smile. It'll make a swell Gargant head.

Heh. Good point. It reminds me of the head of the old Battletech Hatchetman mech.

Great, as if it couldn't look any worse I cannot unsee the big grin on the front of the Stormtalon.

Assuming that's just a normal non-twin-linked assault cannon. I can see that looking quite good. Just not as out-of-proportion as the picture makes it seem.

That's like asking how the Stormraven or Valkyries fly. They just do, it doesn't make sense but they do. Besides, it has downward thrusters, that's enough (apparently)

thats not true. The valkyrie and the stormraven to some degree make sense. The Valk is basically a Hind helicopter gunship with wings in a sci fi setting. The stormraven is a mini Tbird which we all know and love. This, this looks like what DBM said, a valk and a vulture matting and had a offspring. Add in the gaint underslung chaingun (assault cannon?) and you got a lot of weight flying about that doesnt make sense.

Thats what i see this to be. Its like a A-10 warthog. Good at busting AV and close air support. I honestly believe it could have been done better but if that is the real design then we'll just have to get use to it.

They're tomb-blades for the Space Marines!

Well I must be late to the party, their website seems to have been melted. (goes back to chanting for new chaos dex)

swampyturtle wrote:

puma713 wrote:

how...how does that thing fly mommy?

you could ask the same of eldar tanks but we all know its all high tech, so why not this. it levitates while the engines provide thrust an so on. We can't all be Eldar or Tau. ;O)

Imo. It's like the orca from C&C and the sketch just makes it look fat. likely the picture does it no justice!

... no Harpy?
Sadface

rigeld2 wrote:... no Harpy?
Sadface

No one cares about the harpy. Every one cares about the voidraven bomber, where is that!?!

Looks like something out of Robotech/anime movie. That isn't a compliment.

it also looks more IG than SM to me. I like the Storm Raven better.

I want the ork blitza bomber rules.. they always have something crazy-fun.

Platuan4th wrote:I just realized HBMC was right: It's all hull and no wings!

Was there ever any doubt?

Agamemnon2 wrote:It's a bobble-head gunship. The design is about as gothic as an iPod. It doesn't even fit with the pre-existing Marine skimmers, let alone the broader concept of the Imperial aesthetic.

This. In a nutsack... shell. I meant shell. Shell!

The... whatever it's called... is awful. I mean, I really dislike the Chibi-Hawk, but there are angles where it looks fine. This just looks bad from start to finish. What the feth were they thinking? I have no issue with the Necron one (other than any I owned wouldn't have crew). And Orks are Orks are Orks. They can bang anything together to make it look Orky.

But that Marine thing? Ick!

CT GAMER wrote:Looks like something out of Robotech/anime movie. That isn't a compliment.

it also looks more IG than SM to me. I like the Storm Raven better.

It looks like they took the ass-end of a stormraven and crunched it into the business-end of a valkyrie. In short, it looks like they simply removed the middle bulk of the stormraven.

swampyturtle wrote:

That's like asking how the Stormraven or Valkyries fly. They just do, it doesn't make sense but they do. Besides, it has downward thrusters, that's enough (apparently)

thats not true. The valkyrie and the stormraven to some degree make sense. The Valk is basically a Hind helicopter gunship with wings in a sci fi setting. The stormraven is a mini Tbird which we all know and love. This, this looks like what DBM said, a valk and a vulture matting and had a offspring. Add in the gaint underslung chaingun (assault cannon?) and you got a lot of weight flying about that doesnt make sense.

Thats what i see this to be. Its like a A-10 warthog. Good at busting AV and close air support. I honestly believe it could have been done better but if that is the real design then we'll just have to get use to it.

I don't want to get OT and debate here but the Valk's downward thrusters are way to small to produce enough lift to sustain VTOL type flight, and the lack of airfoil wings would stop it from flying forward anyway. The Stormraven's center of gravity is way far forward of the wings, if it could achieve lift it would end up doing front flips, despite it being wholly unaerodynamic

Squidmanlolz wrote:
I don't want to get OT and debate here but the Valk's downward thrusters are way to small to produce enough lift to sustain VTOL type flight, and the lack of airfoil wings would stop it from flying forward anyway. The Stormraven's center of gravity is way far forward of the wings, if it could achieve lift it would end up doing front flips.

And orks are living, breathing fungi.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

swampyturtle wrote:

That's like asking how the Stormraven or Valkyries fly. They just do, it doesn't make sense but they do. Besides, it has downward thrusters, that's enough (apparently)

thats not true. The valkyrie and the stormraven to some degree make sense. The Valk is basically a Hind helicopter gunship with wings in a sci fi setting. The stormraven is a mini Tbird which we all know and love. This, this looks like what DBM said, a valk and a vulture matting and had a offspring. Add in the gaint underslung chaingun (assault cannon?) and you got a lot of weight flying about that doesnt make sense.

Thats what i see this to be. Its like a A-10 warthog. Good at busting AV and close air support. I honestly believe it could have been done better but if that is the real design then we'll just have to get use to it.

I don't want to get OT and debate here but the Valk's downward thrusters are way to small to produce enough lift to sustain VTOL type flight, and the lack of airfoil wings would stop it from flying forward anyway. The Stormraven's center of gravity is way far forward of the wings, if it could achieve lift it would end up doing front flips, despite it being wholly unaerodynamic

The chibihawk, just like the T-Hawk uses suspension plates bolted to the bottom of the craft.

I'm calling it now: 6th ed will be all about Flier spam instead of ground mech spam.

Platuan4th wrote:I'm calling it now: 6th ed will be all about Flier spam instead of ground mech spam.

6th Ed: 40K takes to the Skies!

Suddenly GIJoe seems realistic

LOL I think I like that better.

As much as I hate the look, that SM flier actually looks more flight capable than any of the current GW fliers aside from the DE one. Aside from the two big main engines that look like they rotate ala the V-22 Osprey, it also has two big thrusters on the bottom, and possibly one in the front. Compared to the Chibi Hawk and Valk, whose wings look like they provide about as much lift as a steel I-Beam welded to the side, and thrusters that look like they could barely lift a toilet seat, much less an aircraft, this thing actually makes more sense if you look at it in a more helicopter-styled flight.


Still looks completely out of place though.

Knew I'd seen the Stormtalon somewhere before:

So... (yawn)... what'd I miss? Oh, BoW. And sketches. So glad I decided to sleep in instead of watch.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

swampyturtle wrote:

That's like asking how the Stormraven or Valkyries fly. They just do, it doesn't make sense but they do. Besides, it has downward thrusters, that's enough (apparently)

thats not true. The valkyrie and the stormraven to some degree make sense. The Valk is basically a Hind helicopter gunship with wings in a sci fi setting. The stormraven is a mini Tbird which we all know and love. This, this looks like what DBM said, a valk and a vulture matting and had a offspring. Add in the gaint underslung chaingun (assault cannon?) and you got a lot of weight flying about that doesnt make sense.

Thats what i see this to be. Its like a A-10 warthog. Good at busting AV and close air support. I honestly believe it could have been done better but if that is the real design then we'll just have to get use to it.

I don't want to get OT and debate here but the Valk's downward thrusters are way to small to produce enough lift to sustain VTOL type flight, and the lack of airfoil wings would stop it from flying forward anyway. The Stormraven's center of gravity is way far forward of the wings, if it could achieve lift it would end up doing front flips, despite it being wholly unaerodynamic

Well Red does go faster. How come Red makes vehciles faster? It just does. Like how come can a Termintor move, or how come SM never run out of ammo and they never reload?

Hmm, knew what both the ork and Necron fliers would look like. Was not expecting the SM vehicle to look so much like a fish but I shall wait to see real pics, not just a sketch. Chances are these pics were "leaked" for GW to get an idea of what we thought anyway!

Wow this is a really disappointing way to start the day.

Can't say I care for any of these "looks" at the upcomming fliers. Is this seriously the best rumour material we can get nowadays due to GW rumour lockdown?

That was really terrible. I stopped watching when they started showing those arm wrestling videos. The only thing that would make those sketches worse would have been sitting through a few hours of the show first.

Huge slams on Dark Eldar out of nowhere! Hard for them to criticize when they think a venom has Aerial Assault and that a supersonic Bomma will only be able to move 12" and use its bomb.
I liked the idea of the Dakka fighter- seems more effective than a Punisher anyways.


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Not that a venom need aerial assault... ahem hrmm...

I hate everyone who has complained about it... Just kidding. I actually like it. I think an actual model will look more marine and generally better than the picture. That picture gives it a Starcraft sort of look by virtue of the softer edges over the common over proportions used by that and 40k. I hate that comparison but I feel it's justified.

This thing to me provides the same sort of imagery a giant jump pack with a gun would. That to me is very Space Marine. That said, the designs weakness is the lack of winglets and apparent landing gear that at leave give us plausible suspension of disbelief to pretend it could work.

Grimtuff wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:BOW is people!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHH!!!!!

Stormtalon?

Well... the Chibi-Hawk had no fuselage, so I can only assume that to maintain balance the Stormtalon will have no wings/engines.

HBMC called it.

He was half right. No wings on the SM ROFLcopter.

Thats why HBMC is a genius!

Nelson wrote:Huge slams on Dark Eldar out of nowhere! Hard for them to criticize when they think a venom has Aerial Assault and that a supersonic Bomma will only be able to move 12" and use its bomb.
I liked the idea of the Dakka fighter- seems more effective than a Punisher anyways.

Yep. These guys clearly aren't too competitive-minded, but hey-- it's isn't a tactics show.

How do these dillholes get away with crude drawings of crap as a "leak"?

Seething hatred: Continues

Do we have the rules for these compiled anywhere yet (at least the new ork and SM stuff)?

The Storm Talon is a major disappointment so far. I've got no interest in the love child of a land speeder and a predator. If it can't hold troops I won't buy it.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:How do these dillholes get away with crude drawings of crap as a "leak"?

Seething hatred: Continues

Well.. if you'd quiet your seething hatred for just a moment ( ), look up a bit in the thread - the last time they showed the Necron drawings, the final article looked almost identical.

So, at least we have some idea of what the final model is.

I am underwhelmed by the space marine plane. Oh well if it turns ot to be accurate I will probably use Vulture instead.

yeah,

Kroothawk wrote:I copied the 3 pics to the Autumn of Fliers thread, so nobody has to wade through 10 pages of spam.

Breotan wrote:So... (yawn)... what'd I miss? Oh, BoW. And sketches. So glad I decided to sleep in instead of watch.

The only thing I learnt here today is to not doubt HBMC....

No real news here... seen better fan (f)art...
Lock this gak please.

Panic...

Besides the fact that its all in the fliers thread anyway........

SlaveToDorkness wrote:How do these dillholes get away with crude drawings of crap as a "leak"?

Seething hatred: Continues

But its rather accurate if the necron drawing was any sign?

Well it's confirmed then.

I will be be converting my own Storm Eagle using Chapterhouse's extension kit. If I want a flyer in my army that is.

Kroothawk wrote:Suddenly GIJoe seems realistic

Exactly my thoughts.

I might need to make a GI JOE Space Marine Chapter. They could fight a Cobra themed Guard army.

LunaHound wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:How do these dillholes get away with crude drawings of crap as a "leak"?

Seething hatred: Continues

But its rather accurate if the necron drawing was any sign?

The.... The...

There's a image of the goddamn thing in the Codex! We don't need to have a drawing of it! That proves nothing

EXACTAMUNDO!!!!!!!!!

Chowderhead wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

SlaveToDorkness wrote:How do these dillholes get away with crude drawings of crap as a "leak"?

Seething hatred: Continues

But its rather accurate if the necron drawing was any sign?

The.... The...

There's a image of the goddamn thing in the Codex! We don't need to have a drawing of it! That proves nothing

So.. let me get this straight.. BoW got some random dude to do a half-assed effort of tracing over the pics in the codex then tried to pass this off as some giant exclusive event where thousands of people watched for 2 hours straight expecting to see pics of the new models?

Oh well, I'm sure their google adsense account ended up with a few grand in it today, guess that's all that matters. /:

Well I guess its basically whether we believe BOW or not.
Personally I do.

So Im up for taking bets ( putting money at my mouth )
list what models you want to bet on, and we wait for release date.

Winner gets all the models we argue about. Loser pays of course.

I dunno, the necron vehicle is something *anyone* could put a fair bet on.

Same thing as the dark eldar flyer.. there was a picture in the codex, which looks 100% like the final model released much later on.

Doesn't take much to look at that sequence of dark eldar releases and extrapolate it on to the Necron 'dex.

Which leaves the only really new, and not-easily-guessed thing as the stormraven conversion, which could have been the result of them being told "conversion to make it have lascannons and punisher cannon on the front, VTOL engines instead of wings" from a genuine source.

I don't doubt the veracity of anything they've said at all, just seems like a bit of a weaksauce end result after they hyped it up like crazy and made it out like they had pics of the new models to show... they did technically have *pics*, so that wasn't a lie either, but anyone who sat through a whole 2 hours of their show can't be too pleased right now.

If it's any consolation I've sat through 2 hours of BoW before, at midnight, during the warpath release where they drank beer out of pee bongs (yes, seriously) and were horribly drunk for 2 hours solid and then the reveal of new info was pretty much jack all since they couldn't stop talking over their guests and going off on random off-topic tangents.

I know its disappointing, but they might be under legal pressure..

Or GW just want them to be naughty tease ( most likely ).
New way to build up hype?

So this isn't really news any more, and the pics have been rolled over into the other thread, so I think we can dispense with the duplicate thread.