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Post by: Harriticus
Since it's in 40k general discussion as opposed to rumors, can we say this horrific rumor is pretty much dead? By the throne, please don't let this fluff come to pass.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
commissarkurn wrote:
The same way I justify hot Tau-on-Tau action... 
The requires no justification. Just a pencil, some paper, and the proper power armor modifications....
Harriticus wrote:Since it's in 40k general discussion as opposed to rumors, can we say this horrific rumor is pretty much dead? By the throne, please don't let this fluff come to pass.
No, because it was just moved here a page ago because the discussion has gotten so far off topic. It's quite possibly still very much alive, but the sheer amount of fluff debate and tau/marines/necrons/general hate has made the topic sort of moot.
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Post by: Milisim
What they changed in 8E WHFB has made the game more of a grind that 7E. My argument was that I still get MORE fun out of a WHFB game than a 40k game.
And for all those that say well go play WHFB and let me have my super true to fluff, yet incredibly dull 40k, don't worry the 40k bus left a while ago and I never got on. Unless 6E is FUN, I doubt I will be bringing out the old DE and Tau anytime soon.
I get to play one or two nights a month, if they a boring why would I bother? Fluff does not give me joy on my night away from the ball and chain,.
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Post by: Je suis2 au hazard
5$ says the "leaked" fake 6ed rules will be better than actual 6ed...
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Post by: Buttons
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Redemption wrote:Rules changes
•Every unit gets a 6+ save vs. all Psychic Powers.
•Random Charge Lengths are in
•Random Battle field effects are in.
Ah good. Let's add even more dice rolls to the game. That'll speed things up...
This, these rules will never happen because they slow down the game and make bigger games less feasible due to the overall length meaning that GW can't keep making things bigger and bigger.
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Post by: Kovnik Obama
Well, if they don't make an actual wargame out of 40K, I intend on using my own house ruleset. So the only things that would really bother me would be the horrible twists with the fluff, and only because they would be so many missed occasions. Seriously, 15 years of potential development, and they turn this up? I refuse to believe it.
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Post by: Buttons
Kovnik Obama wrote:Well, if they don't make an actual wargame out of 40K, I intend on using my own house ruleset.
Why don't you do this now? No one is stopping you.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Buttons wrote:
This, these rules will never happen because they slow down the game and make bigger games less feasible due to the overall length meaning that GW can't keep making things bigger and bigger.
Remember that GW is no longer running a tournament circuit. It no longer matters to them how big the games are or how long they take. It just matters that they lower points costs to keep ramming more minis into a list.
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Post by: Buttons
BaronIveagh wrote:Buttons wrote:
This, these rules will never happen because they slow down the game and make bigger games less feasible due to the overall length meaning that GW can't keep making things bigger and bigger.
Remember that GW is no longer running a tournament circuit. It no longer matters to them how big the games are or how long they take. It just matters that they lower points costs to keep ramming more minis into a list.
The problem is that the bigger a game is the longer it takes. If anything GW should streamline the game (at least from a business perspective) since it will let them make games bigger while decreasing the time. Eg, if a game can be made 20% faster people will be willing to play the same length meaning that they may increase the scale of their games by 20% meaning GW will sell 20% more miniatures. Of course this is pretty simplified, but still.
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Post by: skoffs
Je suis2 au hazard wrote:5$ says the "leaked" fake 6ed rules will be better than actual 6ed...
Why don't I just give you the five bucks now, as WE ALL KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE TRUE.
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Post by: Ledabot
ohhh, interesting
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Buttons wrote:
The problem is that the bigger a game is the longer it takes. If anything GW should streamline the game (at least from a business perspective) since it will let them make games bigger while decreasing the time. Eg, if a game can be made 20% faster people will be willing to play the same length meaning that they may increase the scale of their games by 20% meaning GW will sell 20% more miniatures. Of course this is pretty simplified, but still.
The problem with that is that GW does not care how long the game is played. Making the game faster does not sell more minis, manipulating points costs in the Codex does. Why? Because Casual players tend to set low numbers anyway, or play Apoc. GW no longer runs the tournament scene, so they don't care how long it takes, because the length of play time no longer costs them money. GW's theory, I'm betting is that it will not affect GW unless non- GW tournies start putting smaller point limits on armies, and even then it will take a few years before it has meaningful impact on their profits.
Remember that GW claims to be a minis company, not a game company. So far, the most direct way to get more mini's sales is to lower point costs at the codex. This is their mantra atm.
Edit: and i see that evidence that BoK might not be that far off is starting to come in. There are many who might find that... disturbing.
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Post by: Sasori
That is fairly interesting.
Necrons are Only Brother in arms with themselves, so I can deal with that, at least.
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Post by: DA's Forever
BT's unholy alliance with SoB? Wtf?
Also, wow Tyranids get boned. Although it does make sense
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Post by: Harriticus
Matt Ward will do 6th Ed Codex and Tyranids will ally with the Ultramarines after witnessing their honor and heroism at Macragge.
Necrons being a fractured by noble warrior race that can be mercenaries/allies with the Imperium seemed absurd at one point too. So don't laugh...
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Post by: Dantalian
Derp already posted
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Post by: Kurgash
I'm surprised that SoB are grudging allies with the Space Marines.
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Post by: skoffs
Kurgash wrote:I'm surprised that SoB are grudging allies with the Space Marines.
After what they Grey Knights did to them, I wouldn't blame the Sisters if they were more than a little suspicious of the other chapters...
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Post by: Kovnik Obama
Buttons wrote:Why don't you do this now? No one is stopping you.
Didn't say anyone was. I have the central mechanics down, and a DA and Ork force list (Next on the docket is DE and Chaos). I'm just hoping 6th ed will do the job for me, as I still want to play sometimes outside of my circle of buddies. We've been playing house ruled Fantasy, Mordheim and Risk for a while, so it'll be easy to get them to help me balance their armies, but I know how much the average 40k fanboy hates house rules, even more house rule sets.
Basically the same reason why I want to wait until the new Starter set before I expand my DA.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Haha I believe this proves the fluff, note how black templars are a grudging alliance with tau, as it should be with them being xenophobic, I guess this is what it means with chapters conflicting with eachother.
WOA WOA WOA what the hell, why can necrons ally with grey knights??????
edit: meh, actually I withdraw the post, quite confused why templars can ally with eldar. Also, I assume guard can ally with csm and cd for traitor guard lists?
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Post by: AlexHolker
Wow, whoever came up with that is a complete idiot. Let's review, shall we?
Black Templar: Grudging allies with Eldar (xenos witches) and Grey Knights (human witches); unholy alliance with Sisters of Battle (witch hunters)
Necrons: Kill everyone. Goddamn Newcrons can ally with almost everyone. Among their closes allies are the Chaos Space Marines, the faction the Necrons were trying to wipe from existence.
Space Wolves: Grudging allies with Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle, despite hating both.
Tau: Brothers in Arms with Space Marines, Grudging allies with Imperial Guard. Also, can ally with Daemons.
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Post by: Ledabot
Your right. These are stupid. Why would grey knights ally with anyone anyway. they could beat two armys themselfs!
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Someone needs to make a meme
scumbag grey knights, exterminate everyone who mixes with xenos
mixes with xenos themselves
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
Necrons: Kill everyone. Goddamn Newcrons can ally with almost everyone. Among their closes allies are the Chaos Space Marines, the faction the Necrons were trying to wipe from existence.
Seeing as the C'tan are no longer as important to the lore, the necrons don't exactly give two  about their plans against chaos and the warp. So it makes sense that chaos isn't to off.
Space Wolves: Grudging allies with Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle, despite hating both.
Don't remember any tales where Space wolves would go out and start killing or being shook up by having both there.
Tau: Brothers in Arms with Space Marines, Grudging allies with Imperial Guard. Also, can ally with Daemons.
Allies with the IG could represent the IG regiments (Gue'va forces) Within the tau, as for the daemons..I honestly can not find justification for daemons.
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Post by: AlexHolker
ZebioLizard2 wrote:Space Wolves: Grudging allies with Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle, despite hating both.
Don't remember any tales where Space wolves would go out and start killing or being shook up by having both there.
The leader of the Space Wolves considers the Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus to be traitors to the Imperial Guard that fought alongside them, only to get screwed once the fighting was over. And IIRC, the Space Wolves have actually waged wars against the Ecclesiarchy any time they tried to visit Fenris.
Tau: Brothers in Arms with Space Marines, Grudging allies with Imperial Guard. Also, can ally with Daemons.
Allies with the IG could represent the IG regiments (Gue'va forces) Within the tau, as for the daemons..I honestly can not find justification for daemons.
You misunderstood my point. Allying with IG is good - either as Gue'va or as one of those not officially sanctioned alliances of convenience with the filthy xenos. Allying with Space Marines should not be better.
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Post by: Redemption
unmercifulconker wrote:Someone needs to make a meme
scumbag grey knights, exterminate everyone who mixes with xenos
mixes with xenos themselves
Grey Knights aren't as xenophobic as the other chapters, as they're much more pragmatic. They even use xeno-tech, such as the Psilencers.
AlexHolker wrote:Wow, whoever came up with that is a complete idiot. Let's review, shall we?
Eldar being Brothers in Arms with Dark Eldar sounds weird to me too.
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Post by: Cerebrium
I'm confused by that diagram.
When would Necrons EVER ally with Chaos?
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Post by: AlexHolker
Redemption wrote:Eldar being Brothers in Arms with Dark Eldar sounds weird to me too.
Eldar and Dark Eldar aren't like High Elves and Dark Elves, so I don't think that one's a problem. While they usually go through an intermediary (the Harlequins), they're pretty much all Eldar supremacists at heart.
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Post by: FallenAfh
Cerebrium wrote:
'm confused by that diagram.
When would Necrons EVER ally with Chaos?
I don't see anything in the new necron fluff that would invalidate it. Other then the Tyranids (which they view as a threat that must be exterminated), I could conceivably see them allying with any race as long as it would serve their purposes.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
FallenAfh wrote:AlexHolker wrote:Redemption wrote:Eldar being Brothers in Arms with Dark Eldar sounds weird to me too.
Eldar and Dark Eldar aren't like High Elves and Dark Elves, so I don't think that one's a problem. While they usually go through an intermediary (the Harlequins), they're pretty much all Eldar supremacists at heart.
I don't see anything in the new necron fluff that would invalidate it. Other then the Tyranid (which they view as a threat that must be exterminated), I could conceivably see them allying with any race as long as it would serve their purposes.
Not to mention due to how independent some of them can be. Not to mention how crazed some of them will be upon awakening their armies.
A Necron lord who feels that the only type of battle is a bloody one, that should be perpetuated everywhere at his behest and call. Wouldn't really be to far out from allying from chaos.
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Post by: Redemption
AlexHolker wrote:Redemption wrote:Eldar being Brothers in Arms with Dark Eldar sounds weird to me too.
Eldar and Dark Eldar aren't like High Elves and Dark Elves, so I don't think that one's a problem. While they usually go through an intermediary (the Harlequins), they're pretty much all Eldar supremacists at heart.
I would reckon that the Craftworld Eldar would have trouble with the older ways of the Dark Eldar. You know, the same ways that led to the birth of Slaanesh and the fall of their entire race? I would put them as Gruding Allies at best.
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Post by: N.I.B.
DA's Forever wrote:
Also, wow Tyranids get boned. Although it does make sense
Indeed it does. The mere thought of my Tyranids making friends, cause me to throw up in my mouth.
More funsies: http://natfka.blogspot.se/2012/05/overwatch-and-snap-fire-plus-more-6th.html#more
Cheers gentlemen!
I know all of these rumors sound bloody ridiculous but they may not be bad for the game at all. I have been chatting with the source for my documents, we both feel that based off of the csm codex that assaults off of consolidation will be back as well as possibly off the bloody deep strike. This is not only backed up by the fact that they are "nerfing" assault range, but also because of 2 special rules.
Mates say hello to bloody "snap fire" and the return of overwatch.
Snap fire - allows a unit to shoot at an attacking unit at bs 1 prior to being assaulted.
Also mates, since I'm posting I may as well add a snippet or two more to the firestorm...
Rhino's have 3 hull points, Landraiders and the defiler have 4. Any damage chart result other than wrecked or explodes will take 1 hull point away.
HQ's can now challenge each other just like in fantasy. This must be accepted by opponent or is played normal. HQ that wins, wins the assault for his unit.
Chaos units that kill a unit get to roll on a chart for gifts from a chaos lord very similar to the power from pain rule that Phil gave to DE.
Thousand sons are still relentless and still have ap 3 bolters.
Cheers mates,
Grant
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
So tactical squads will finally be useful for something?
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Post by: AlexHolker
Natfka wrote:Mates say hello to bloody "snap fire" and the return of overwatch.
Snap fire - allows a unit to shoot at an attacking unit at bs 1 prior to being assaulted.
I bet the Purifiers wish they got free Incinerators to make their I6 and Cleansing Flame even more obnoxious.
What's that? They do? Well... sucks to be anyone else, I guess.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
AlexHolker wrote:Natfka wrote:Mates say hello to bloody "snap fire" and the return of overwatch.
Snap fire - allows a unit to shoot at an attacking unit at bs 1 prior to being assaulted.
I bet the Purifiers wish they got free Incinerators to make their I6 and Cleansing Flame even more obnoxious.
What's that? They do? Well... sucks to be anyone else, I guess.
We've yet to see rules for flamers yet, considering they don't shoot at BS afterall.
Not to mention that 6++ save against psyker abilities means that even if they pass it now, you get a defense.
Of course this is all speculation that it's true.
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Post by: Redemption
I'll reserve judgment until I can see the rule in context (if it even is in the 6th edition ruleset). But yeah, under conditions it does massively benefit weapons that aren't as impacted by a low BS. Orks would have a field day with their large number of shots and templates, while Tyranids with lots of killy but fragile close combat units get boned.
But if it is in, there couple be numbers of restrictions. For example, no heavy weapons, no template weapons, it could be -1BS instead of BS1, etc. Makes a world of difference.
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Post by: KplKeegan
For a Tau Player the 'new fluff' seems like a bad launching point.
I could understand if the Ultramarines were in the shade of getting their asses handed to them by another Tyranid tendril, they'd ally with the Tau for the explicit reason to staunch the invasion. Or Ultramarines witness Daemons 'ignoring' the Tau during a daemonic incursion, and leaning on them for support. Not Heresy miscalculation.
Now, an Inquisitor might get the idea that Tau's presence in the warp is almost non-existant and use that to his advantage (which certain Inquisitor's will do to fight Chaos).
Just not a Heresy add-in. I would still like to kick in Grand Marshall Hellbrect's teeth with my Shas'o because Black Templars are utter tools.
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Post by: Lockark
FallenAfh wrote:Cerebrium wrote:
'm confused by that diagram.
When would Necrons EVER ally with Chaos?
I don't see anything in the new necron fluff that would invalidate it. Other then the Tyranids (which they view as a threat that must be exterminated), I could conceivably see them allying with any race as long as it would serve their purposes.
In Black Crusade their is a story about a Chaos Lord striking a deal with a Necron Lord to capture a old space hulk for relics of the past. After the Necron Lord took what he wanted the Chaos lord got a huge treasure trove of lost and strange technologies. Was a win-win for both parties involved.
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Post by: Kanluwen
For those who think that this is a "big deal", look at page 198 of the Apocalypse book. That table is fairly similar to what already exists in the form of an Allies Matrix.
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Post by: CT GAMER
Je suis2 au hazard wrote:
'Purge the Xenos' is a pretty universal concept in the IoM
Not if GW retcons the fluff it isn't...
I hope Tau and Ultramarines join forces take over the Imperium just to watch people rage quit...
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Post by: culsandar
AlexHolker wrote:Natfka wrote:Mates say hello to bloody "snap fire" and the return of overwatch.
Snap fire - allows a unit to shoot at an attacking unit at bs 1 prior to being assaulted.
I bet the Purifiers wish they got free Incinerators to make their I6 and Cleansing Flame even more obnoxious.
What's that? They do? Well... sucks to be anyone else, I guess.
The only game I play that has this type of rule, Flames of War with defensive fire, disallows use of flame throwers because they are unwieldy and there is too great a risk to injure your own platoon. If this rule sticks, I would assume they would at least think of a similar limitation.
I'd be all for snap fire though, even if it is at BS1. That's only on 5s.
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Post by: Kanluwen
CT GAMER wrote:Je suis2 au hazard wrote:
'Purge the Xenos' is a pretty universal concept in the IoM
Not if GW retcons the fluff it isn't...
I hope Tau and Ultramarines join forces take over the Imperium just to watch people rage quit...
"Purge the Xenos" is the universal concept of the Imperium, as defined by the Inquisition.
The reality of it is that on the ground, the situation is rather fluid.
The Tau and Imperium have fought together before.
The Eldar and Imperium have fought together before. Hell, the Eldar have fought alongside the freaking Dark Eldar before.
But there are no real "permanent standing alliances" to where they start having embassies, and if they do such a thing--I will be sending them a rather not-nice letter in polite tones expressing my displeasure.
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Post by: Ascalam
The Dark Eldar deigned to show up and help their goody-twoshoes brethren at Iyanden ( IIRC) against an ork waagh, right after the craftworld damn near got wiped by the Nids.
They did this because they found their 'angst-ridden forays into Necromancy' hilarious 
That said, it was the Wraithkind Kabal, and they aren't terribly sane even by DE standards...
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Post by: Kanluwen
Ascalam wrote:The Dark Eldar deigned to show up and help their goody-twoshoes brethren at Iyanden ( IIRC) against an ork waagh, right after the craftworld damn near got wiped by the Nids.
They did this because they found their 'angst-ridden forays into Necromancy' hilarious
That said, it was the Wraithkind Kabal, and they aren't terribly sane even by DE standards...
Which goes to help my point, not hurt it. 
The Apocalypse appendix I mentioned earlier had three "grades" of trust between individuals. "Trusted Comrades", "Hated Enemies", and a middle grade between the two--where it was not impossible that two such groups might be hitting the same target at the same time or any number of potential scenarios where it becomes a case of "Let's stop fighting each other for a bit to kick this schmuck's head in, then go back to kicking each other's heads in!". It even specifically noted that for the second one, a "reason to have these two fighting together should be provided" and the idea of the "Hated Enemies" allying was to require "a very good reason to have these two armies fighting alongside each other".
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Post by: Ascalam
Did i say i was trying to hurt your point , Kan, or are you just feeling super-sensitive this afternoon?
I was expanding on the fact that DE and CWE can and have allied. If anything i was deliberately supporting your point, with the caveat that the parties involved weren't the sanest of space-elves
I have no problem with most races having temporary alliances, but not trusting the other party an inch. Some races you really can't see it with, but others you could, out of enlightened self interest if nothing else...
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Post by: Kanluwen
Well then. You are welcome in my clubhouse, Ascalam. Ask the hostess for something to drink.
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Post by: cygnnus
GW has been busy changing up quite a bit of fluff lately. I do hope, however, this one's bogus.
I know a lot of folks would disagree, but BattleTech lost me when FASA started trying to advance the timeline (and bringing in the "lost" technology with the Clans). I can easily see losing interest in 40k for the same reasons.
This is a golden age, in a lot of ways, for miniatures with all of the competition in complete sets of high-quality rules and models, brewing. Not to mention the new plastic/resin/CAD "aftermarket" stuff out there.
I can readily see GW trying something radical to try to keep their cash cow on the top of the hill. Only time will tell if something like that would keep them on top or make them officially jump the shark. The pressure's there and the competition is nipping at their proverbial heels.
It doesn't bode particularly well that they have a CEO who has, to all visible evidence, no interest in the game and is running the company as a short-term cash cow. That's one of the most common ways how dominant players get marginalized quickly in the corporate world.
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Kanluwen wrote:For those who think that this is a "big deal", look at page 198 of the Apocalypse book. That table is fairly similar to what already exists in the form of an Allies Matrix.
No one said it wasn't, Kan. Just that the new chart supported BoK's rumors. They're slaughtering people's sacred cows. Not throwing out 40k altogether.
Ascalam wrote:Did i say i was trying to hurt your point , Kan, or are you just feeling super-sensitive this afternoon?
He's not super sensitive yet. He hasn't started foaming and ranting and calling it 'Brighthammer'.
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Post by: Evaelc
I don't think that the imperium would ever do anything as radical as siding with a Xenos race. I also think that GW would have to really tie up some loose ends with all the problems resulting from a twist like this. Therefore I would have to say, that this is unlikely in the extreme.
However I think that a movement towords allying the ultramarines and tau would be quite interesting, although I can see a lot of people hating on this idea. For me I am open to change and opinions and if this is semi legit then it would be interesting to see this pan out and the reaction to it.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BaronIveagh wrote:Kanluwen wrote:For those who think that this is a "big deal", look at page 198 of the Apocalypse book. That table is fairly similar to what already exists in the form of an Allies Matrix.
No one said it wasn't, Kan. Just that the new chart supported BoK's rumors. They're slaughtering people's sacred cows. Not throwing out 40k altogether.
But that's the thing.
The new chart doesn't support the rumors. It's something for a "Doubles Weekend". There's nothing saying "This is from the upcoming rules set", nothing pointing to it as being a shift in the background either.
It just reads like an expansion of the current Allies matrix in the Apocalypse book.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Evaelc wrote:I don't think that the imperium would ever do anything as radical as siding with a Xenos race. I also think that GW would have to really tie up some loose ends with all the problems resulting from a twist like this. Therefore I would have to say, that this is unlikely in the extreme.
However I think that a movement towords allying the ultramarines and tau would be quite interesting, although I can see a lot of people hating on this idea. For me I am open to change and opinions and if this is semi legit then it would be interesting to see this pan out and the reaction to it.
I can think of one scenario that would have them allying right quick. The failure of the astronomicon.
The Inquisition feeds the Ultramarines some blue scented bs to save the Imperium, and, BAM, we're dealing with the Tau to maintain Imperial dominance of space, particularly since newer fluff for Tau starships has more or less done away with the old 'slower than IN when traveling through the warp' line.
Either that or they re-discover Squats. That would be good too.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
I wouldn't mind the gameplay changes as I actually enjoy 8th edition fantasy, though the fluff gives me pause.
I just don't believe any of it's real.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Kanluwen wrote:
The new chart doesn't support the rumors. It's something for a "Doubles Weekend". There's nothing saying "This is from the upcoming rules set", nothing pointing to it as being a shift in the background either.
Kan, you do realize that game companies do occasionally test the water without saying 'You will be taking part in a playtest'. Even if it's something as simple as an allies list, this stuff comes from somewhere.
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Post by: Veteran Sergeant
Everything after:
That leaked 6th edition pdf was and is still a complete fabrication.
is a giant pile of BS, lol.
I mean, really? A return to certain aspects of 2nd Edition 40K would we welcomed, but the fluff isn't going to radically change. There's no reason to. It will creep along just like it always has. Moving forward far enough only to introduce some new battles and campaigns.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BaronIveagh wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
The new chart doesn't support the rumors. It's something for a "Doubles Weekend". There's nothing saying "This is from the upcoming rules set", nothing pointing to it as being a shift in the background either.
Kan, you do realize that game companies do occasionally test the water without saying 'You will be taking part in a playtest'. Even if it's something as simple as an allies list, this stuff comes from somewhere.
I don't know why you think I'm unaware of this.
I'm quite aware of the idea of playtesting and how many companies go out of their way to conceal things before making them official.
And you know where this "Allies Matrix" comes from?
Apocalypse.
Here's the problem. People are taking BoK seriously.
That's a big mistake. It's basically a bloody horoscope in a gossip rag, which occasionally gets something right.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Kanluwen wrote:It's basically a bloody horoscope in a gossip rag, which occasionally gets something right.
That last part is the problem, Kan. They do, on occasion, get things right.
But frankly, judging by the reactions here, I could bug the offices of GW and have Jervis reading the book aloud into a mic holding that day's paper in his other hand, and people would scream that it's not true.
Further, I responded as if you didn't know that, because your reaction screamed 'denial at flood stage' rather than admit that it was possible.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BaronIveagh wrote:Kanluwen wrote:It's basically a bloody horoscope in a gossip rag, which occasionally gets something right.
That last part is the problem, Kan. They do, on occasion, get things right.
Okay. The problem is that they're purposefully vague.
Do you now see why I've got an issue believing their "rumors" and "leaks"? They give nothing specific that can be used to validate their rumors. They just give vague statements and then people interpret them as they see fit.
But frankly, judging by the reactions here, I could bug the offices of GW and have Jervis reading the book aloud into a mic holding that day's paper in his other hand, and people would scream that it's not true.
If that were the case, and he were on a webcam with the actual book reading from it while showing the pages afterwards?
Fine. I'd believe it.
As it stands, I can make some rumor statements of my own now since we're doing rumormongering.
Codices will be updated this edition! New kits will be released!
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Post by: Pouncey
Kanluwen wrote:Codices will be updated this edition! New kits will be released!
Oooh, sounds like it's gonna be a fun edition! All sorts of new things to buy and try!
It's neeeeeew and shiiiiiiinyyyyyy... :: zombie-like stare at an imaginary new model, while drooling ::
[Not poking fun at you. I just like that particular rumor because it's 100% plausible.]
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Post by: Kanluwen
Pouncey wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Codices will be updated this edition! New kits will be released!
Oooh, sounds like it's gonna be a fun edition! All sorts of new things to buy and try!
It's neeeeeew and shiiiiiiinyyyyyy... :: zombie-like stare at an imaginary new model, while drooling ::
[Not poking fun at you. I just like that particular rumor because it's 100% plausible.]
That is the point, Pouncey.
When you look at how the rumors from sites like BoK are, it's almost always set up so that the more vague and likely rumors are from "trusted sources" while the outlandish and unlikely rumors are from "untested sources".
It means that they effectively can insulate themselves from looking untrustworthy by just writing off the unlikely rumors as "trying out a new source".
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Post by: d-usa
I heard that GW is switching over to a D10 system, that way they can make more money by forcing all the kids to buy new GW D10s.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Testing out a new source, huh d-usa?
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Post by: Pouncey
Kanluwen wrote:Pouncey wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Codices will be updated this edition! New kits will be released!
Oooh, sounds like it's gonna be a fun edition! All sorts of new things to buy and try!
It's neeeeeew and shiiiiiiinyyyyyy... :: zombie-like stare at an imaginary new model, while drooling ::
[Not poking fun at you. I just like that particular rumor because it's 100% plausible.]
That is the point, Pouncey.
When you look at how the rumors from sites like BoK are, it's almost always set up so that the more vague and likely rumors are from "trusted sources" while the outlandish and unlikely rumors are from "untested sources".
It means that they effectively can insulate themselves from looking untrustworthy by just writing off the unlikely rumors as "trying out a new source".
:: nods :: I can see how that might work. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. I don't put much stock in rumors to begin with. ^_^ Hugs?
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Post by: Kanluwen
No hugs. Friendly handshakes is all I allow with interweb strangers.
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Post by: Pouncey
Kanluwen wrote:No hugs. Friendly handshakes is all I allow with interweb strangers.
Awwwr... Forget it, then.
:: curls up and cuddles my plush toy :: I guess the toy will have to make do... again.
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Post by: Buttons
I hate the gameplay, and I hate the fluff changes even more. TBF I am cynical when it comes to most things, and even if these were true they probably wouldn't be too bad, although the whole Tau/Marine buddies is really dumb, I mean aneurysm inducing level of stupidity. The emperor's whole spiel was that the galaxy should belong to humanity.
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Post by: CT GAMER
Kovnik Obama wrote:Buttons wrote:Why don't you do this now? No one is stopping you.
Didn't say anyone was. I have the central mechanics down, and a DA and Ork force list (Next on the docket is DE and Chaos). I'm just hoping 6th ed will do the job for me, as I still want to play sometimes outside of my circle of buddies. We've been playing house ruled Fantasy, Mordheim and Risk for a while, so it'll be easy to get them to help me balance their armies, but I know how much the average 40k fanboy hates house rules, even more house rule sets.
Basically the same reason why I want to wait until the new Starter set before I expand my DA.
Oh Canada, you crazy...
Not everbody who doesnt like your house rules is a fanboy.
Bottom line is the majority of house rules I have encountered have been abyssmal. 99.9% of wargamers feel they could write a better codex/rules set, yet 99.9% of those are utterly dillusional of their own writing/game design qualifications.
Be sure to post your homebrew for us fanboys... Automatically Appended Next Post: d-usa wrote:I heard that GW is switching over to a D10 system, that way they can make more money by forcing all the kids to buy new GW D10s.
If they are finecast I'm sold.
Assuming they come with greenstuff to fill all the holes in them.
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Post by: d-usa
CT GAMER wrote:
d-usa wrote:I heard that GW is switching over to a D10 system, that way they can make more money by forcing all the kids to buy new GW D10s.
If they are finecast I'm sold.
Assuming they come with greenstuff to fill all the holes in them.
My sources tell me that GW will sell a separate kit that will allow you to drill out and fill your dice to roll either high or low. 
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Post by: Pouncey
CT GAMER wrote:Bottom line is the majority of house rules I have encountered have been abyssmal. 99.9% of wargamers feel they could write a better codex/rules set, yet 99.9% of those are utterly dillusional of their own writing/game design qualifications.
I know my homebrew Codex was abysmal. Complete and total cheese kind of abysmal. That was probably at least 7-8 years ago, though, and it killed my urges to make homebrew Codices. Special rules for missions or terrain I've made have been similarly fated, and as such, scrapped after a game or two, as they often caused incredibly brutal and senseless casualties on one side, the other, or both. I know I'm a terrible rules designer.
But I'm not a terrible writer. I do okay at writing fanfiction.
I guess I'm one in a thousand, then.
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Post by: loki old fart
sorry wrong thread
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Post by: IronHelmIV
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Post by: Chowderhead
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Excellent addition to the thread, good sir!
Bravo, I say! Bravo!
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Post by: imweasel
Considering the rumors, I will say that 90% of them are sheer bunk.
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Post by: NecronLord3
imweasel wrote:Considering the rumors, I will say that 90% of them are sheer bunk.
Please keep saying that and come back in a month to admit how wrong you are.
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Post by: BaronIveagh
Considering some of the really strange things GW has been doing lately... I can believe just about anything at this point.
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