- Kings of War Hardback Rulebook + Mini-rulebook ($45 RRP)
- Army Set of your choice ($75 RRP)
- Exclusive Vampiress Miniature
- Kickstarter Bonus: Litho print of the map of Mantica, signed by Ronnie.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Electronic copy of the Kings of War hardback rulebook.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Electronic copy of the Kings and Legends supplement.
- Kickstarter Bonus: 10 limited edition "mantic splat" dice.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Orc Chariot/ Fight Wagon model.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Free Troll model.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Free Mummy model.
- Kickstarter Bonus: Free ticket to the Mantic Party in Nottingham this September, or Entry to participation game with Ronnie at either Gencon or Adepticon in the US.
Plus;
3 more Mummies
1 more Troll
1 Mounted Undead Standard Bearer model
3 Werewolves
3 Ogres or Ogre Shooters, your choice!
One of each of the hero models that get sculpted for the kickstarter
I'd have to say that's a pretty solid return on $225 tossed in the "Donation" bin.
^ Click on the updates tab on the kickstarter page, numerous pics of the trolls and other stuff on there.
2 concepts for the trolls currently, armoured and un-armoured. They might end up with optional armour plates, since comments on them seem to be split right down the middle.
@ Talon - You've got that wrong, you can't order "2 lots" of the $100 pledge, you can only pick each pledge level once, and then add special extras to it. You're getting ahead of yourself there!
$225 or more is definitely the level to go for if you want to get a ton of goodies, you've just got the way the bonuses work a little wrong. Check the $225 level in my first post. If you pledge $225 or more, that is exactly what you get, no more, no less.
scarletsquig wrote:@ Talon - You've got that wrong, you can't order "2 lots" of the $100 pledge, you can only pick each pledge level once, and then add special extras to it. You're getting ahead of yourself there.
Not according to their reply when I asked that very question in a message to them. I was told if I wanted 2 of the $100 deal, to pledge $200 and get 2 $100 when the survey comes.
Just as long as you're aware that the bonuses don't get doubled if you do that, only the stuff in the $100 pledge level will (the army set, rulebook, mini-rulebook, dice, and vampiress).
So for instance, you won't get 2 orc chariots by putting down $200, you'll still just get the one.
The total amount pledged determines what rewards you get.
Just as long as you're aware that the bonuses don't get doubled if you do that, only the stuff in the $100 pledge level will (the army set, rulebook, mini-rulebook, dice, and vampiress).
So for instance, you won't get 2 orc chariots by putting down $200, you'll still just get the one.
The total amount pledged determines what rewards you get.
Griever wrote:"Donating" $100 to get "free Gargoyles" is hilarious.
All this really is is a ruse to sell more models, but get the consumer to pay the product costs and for the models.
You might want to read the thread rather than just glancing at the title.
You get a hell of a lot more than that for your $100, the pledge levels offer a substantial discount from RRP to start with, plus free stuff on top, plus the special extras are all effectively on sale for a 50% discount.
Just as long as you're aware that the bonuses don't get doubled if you do that, only the stuff in the $100 pledge level will (the army set, rulebook, mini-rulebook, dice, and vampiress).
So for instance, you won't get 2 orc chariots by putting down $200, you'll still just get the one.
The total amount pledged determines what rewards you get.
Unless you get your wife/girlfriend/brother/mother/mate to "donate" the second $100 deal under their name...
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Griever wrote:"Donating" $100 to get "free Gargoyles" is hilarious.
All this really is is a ruse to sell more models, but get the consumer to pay the product costs and for the models.
Damn, you're getting ripped off dude! I'm getting a shirtload more for my $100 pledge. (elsewhere when I buy something, I'm usually paying for the product costs and always for the models...)
So does anyone know - If I pledge to get one of the army sets - will they come in/with the nifty Mantic storage boxes - or will I just be getting a bunch of sprues?
You won't get Mantic Points - it's already too good a deal!
I heard loose sprues, but you can always get more cases in the optional extras.
You might want to read the thread rather than just glancing at the title.
QFT - you pledge $100 to get the Rulebooks, dice, army set and vampiress (worth around $125) - everything else they are adding on at no extra cost (e.g. FREE). It's a fantastic deal!
I tried using search so forgive me if I missed it, but just to be sure the mummies and gargoyles are restic right? They're priced exactly the same as the Warpath Restic stuff (and by that extension, what about the big guys?)
Everything in this kickstarter is resin plastic, with the exception of some heroes in metal - this kickstarter is all about sorting out a ton of elite units to really flesh out the armies and give them some variety beyond the core plastics that already exist.
They're still multi-part kits with lots of different options, though.
I still don't get why this is generating such negativity... This kickstarter project is one of the coolest that I've seen! I have a small number of Mantic models, and for $100 I get the rules, a pdf expansion, a big ol' army, and a whole heap of models that they might not have had the capital to sculpt for quite some time. Well over a hundred figures (including big stuff like an ork chariot and a troll) and the rules?!? That's an incredible bargain, when held up in comparison to some other gaming companies out there.
And the concept art is looking really good; the dwarf cavalry in particular is a big improvment over some of the dwarf units from the past. Dwarf on a mean old dinosaur? Sign me up!
scarletsquig wrote:Everything in this kickstarter is resin plastic, with the exception of some heroes in metal - this kickstarter is all about sorting out a ton of elite units to really flesh out the armies and give them some variety beyond the core plastics that already exist.
They're still multi-part kits with lots of different options, though.
Uh... the plastic armies are all the usual GW-style plastic. I don't believe that Mantic have said what kind of plastic the Werewolves, Ogres, Trolls, etc will be made of - I'd assumed for some reason that they would be normal plastic on sprues as opposed to "restic".
Is there any actual confirmation on any of this anywhere?
@scipio Yep, the already-produced plastic armies are hard plastic.
I meant all the new kickstarter stuff when I said "all resin plastic". And yes, Mantic have confirmed the material choice (it's in one of the updates or comments somewhere).
If they were hard plastic sprues instead of resin plastic, each stretch goal would have a $60k gap between it, not a $10k one, and we'd be getting one-sixth of the new units... this kickstarter probably wouldn't have much in the way of success if that were the case, GW fans say they want hard plastic everything at low prices and get irritated by price rises, but that doesn't mean they'll open their wallet if some other company comes along and offers it - they want GW to lower their prices, not have to resort to buying from some other "crappy rip-off company" (the current majority opinion of what Mantic Games is amongst the internet community). So, Mantic is left with its core and slowly-growing playerbase to draw from for the most part. Hopefully by the time a Warpath KS is made, there will be enough interest for them to go "right, $60k stretch goal for hard plastic alien bug hordes, we'll give you 40 of the gribbley little bastards if we reach it, have at it!".
That is literally what it boils down to in economic terms - Mantic is well aware that its current playerbase desperately wants their armies to be "filled out" at this point, rather than just having a measly 3-4 units on plastic sprues and a few metals to go with them - you can't make a proper army out of 3-4 units, no matter how cheap they are! Stuff like the Orcs especially were really lacking in unit variety, and the restic trolls and chariot will help out with that.
Also, for large units (such as trolls, ogres etc.) hard plastic wouldn't make them any cheaper.
Look at the £2/model gore riders and abyssal halfbreeds - they're resin plastic, if they were done in hard plastic, that wouldn't lower the price point, in fact they might actually end up more expensive per model, because plastic moulds that require a large fill area cost more.
Resin plastic isn't bad either, it allows for undercuts in the sculpt, whereas plastic doesn't, so things like fur can be accurately sculpted (look at fur on GW plastics, it's always a series of neatly overlapping triangles due to the limitations of the medium).
When you have large models, doing resin plastic is definitely the way to go.
All of the models will still be multi-part and have lots of add-on components and variety like seperate heads, arms and weapons. And still be cheaper than GW plastic, with the exception of the Ogres with hand weapons which will be £2.50/unit more expensive than GW Bulls... Mantic will probably be looking to make an extremely heavily-discounted bulk-buy Ogre army set eventually to win the pricing war on that one, but for now at least, there's the 50% discount they're being sold at during this kickstarter.
The Mummies and Gargoyles are a pretty sweet deal, since the pricing is at the lower KoW price bracket for resin plastic. Which means $25 or £14 for 20 models.
sockwithaticket wrote:Is there any concept art of the gargoyles floating around?
No. So far, this is what we know:
Mantic wrote:NIghtmarish minions of the Abyss, Gargoyles are furiously-tempered, statueque females with stone-like skin and vicious claws.
Mantic wrote:they will be separate components in our sprue-less Plastic. They are almost definitely four limbed and female - whether they are pretty or not we'll see with what comes back from the art direction!
I have no objections to them being stone-like, but I'm still waiting to learn if they're going to be "pretty" or bestial before I contribute anything.
Cheers, AlexHolker. That's interesting, my entire experience of Gargoyles, from Disney's Hunchback of Notre-Dame via Heroes of Might and Magic to real Church architecture, has them as stone monsters. Pretty and female are not words I'd usually associate with them, I will definitely wait for more info before committing. As much as I would like to drop enough to start an army here I think I'll stick to the Werewolves (awesome Dire Wolves for my Mordheim Undead) and get back to my pile of unpainted marines...
I'll save you the time: I don't want bestial Gargoyles because I'm not interested in beasts as the foundation for an army. Part of it is aesthetics, yes, but it's also the same reason I prefer dragons that are "people" to dragons that are glorified flying horses. Mindless or animalistic mooks (like robots, zombies or alien bugs) are more of interest to me as tools of sapient characters than in their own right.
scarletsquig wrote:Alex likes 'em with their jiggley bits out.
I don't think there'd be much jiggling involved if they're made of stone.
Assuming that they're winged. "statuesque" and "female" make them almost sound like Harpies. I'll wait for the concept art, and see if the figures would (theoretically) make decent Chaos Furies.
$120,000 – Plastic Elf Palace Guard
We’re been asked on numerous occasions to transfer more of our metal and hybrid figures over to sprue-less Plastic Resin, so – if we break $120,000 we will convert the Elf Palace Guard figures into plastic.
We will include one model free in all pledges of $100 or more and at $175 or more we will include a unit of five plastic models into your reward for free! What's more is it will let us see what the viability of turning other metal/hybrid kits into plastic as well!
Given the amazing feedback we’ve had from the Goblins, if the madness continues we will then look at:
$130,000 – Goblin Fleabag Riders
If we can break $130,000 then we will produce a Goblin Fleabag Riders unit!
Mawbeasts from the "Mawbeast Pack" unit - the Fleabag Riders will ride larger, more dynamic beasts.
This Goblin cavalry set will feature riders mounted on vicious Mawbeasts. These guys will be given free with pledges of $175 or more and will be available in the Buy One Get One section in the special extras section - they're just too big for us to give away at $100 sorry!
We’re been asked on numerous occasions to transfer more of our metal and hybrid figures over to sprue-less Plastic Resin, so – if we break $120,000 we will convert the Elf Palace Guard figures into plastic.
We will include one model free in all pledges of $100 or more and at $175 or more we will include a unit of five plastic models into your reward for free! What's more is it will let us see what the viability of turning other metal/hybrid kits into plastic as well!
Yay to this. Though you think the Revenant Calv and the Wraiths would tell them all they need to know about the viability of turning things to plastic already.
I wish they had chosen the Gobbos though - as a pre-release thing - I bet that would greatly increase the demand for them.
I'm hoping twilight kin are up next for the restic/metal-to-plastic conversions, as I love their designs but I've heard the restic and metal bits don't play very well together for some of the models.
Though you think the Revenant Calv and the Wraiths would tell them all they need to know about the viability of turning things to plastic already.
'spect they mean via Kickstarter. Afterall, the supplement was a bit of a dud and and they've not strayed from new models since. Research into converting existing models AND something for the good players to sink their teeths into. That and I want Fleabag Riders, and I need us to get Palace Guard to get there!
5 hours later... and we've got another $5k, halfway to the new stretch goal that was just posted... at this rate, we'll have both the Palace Guard and the Fleabag Riders funded in no time.
There is a *LOT* of free stuff being given away. As in, whole great heaping piles of free stuff. As in, 10 whole units of miniatures, for free at $225+... If you're just browsing this thread for the first time, go check my first post, and scroll down to see all the free stuff.
The $225 pledge level will be giving people pretty much exactly $225 of additional free stuff once the palace guard and fleabag riders arrive.
This is about to get *big*. I guessed that this might hit $150k back on day 1, but now it's looking like there's an outside chance that it might just go ballistic in the last few days and hit $300-$500k.
It has hit that sweet spot where it has become too much of a good deal to pass up (even if all you want to do is hock the stuff on ebay afterwards for profit), just like Zombicide did.
Seperate bodies, heads, right arms and left arms on *all* models, so properly multi-part too. 5 models on each sprue as well, so it's not one of those little 2-man jobs either, there's plenty of variety.
Mantic finally made a sprue that doesn't have any of the design flaws that the internet has been yelling at it about for the last 2 years. :p
Sculpts are great too:
Goblins are my favourite fantasy race after humans, so I couldn't be happier.
I think a plastic sprue would be really great as an ambitious "final goal" for this kickstarter. $60k stretch goal for something downright awesome, like a plastic human sprue, and give away a full regiment of 20 as the reward.
Too risky to do as a stretch goal at the moment in case it doesn't work out, but in the last 2-3 days Mantic will have absolutely nothing to lose by just throwing it out there and seeing if people really want it.
What exactly are those free hero models for the $225, everything from the high level pledges?
so that would be 2 for the eternal warriors pledge already made, 1 each for the 2 living legend pledges made and perhaps up to 6 more if the warmaster, eternal warrior and god of war pledges get taken?
edit: thanks. it's gotten to a point where making heads or tails of the rewards explanation on the KS page itself requires an advanced degree or two, so I wasn't quite certain.
Seperate bodies, heads, right arms and left arms on *all* models, so properly multi-part too. 5 models on each sprue as well, so it's not one of those little 2-man jobs either, there's plenty of variety.
Mantic finally made a sprue that doesn't have any of the design flaws that the internet has been yelling at it about for the last 2 years. :p
I think a plastic sprue would be really great as an ambitious "final goal" for this kickstarter. $60k stretch goal for something downright awesome, like a plastic human sprue, and give away a full regiment of 20 as the reward.
Too risky to do as a stretch goal at the moment in case it doesn't work out, but in the last 2-3 days Mantic will have absolutely nothing to lose by just throwing it out there and seeing if people really want it.
Yeah - they made an awesome sprue for the goblins that I have no complaints with. Cept then they decided to make the melee parts metal
And I love the idea of a big push for a nicely loaded (to put the goblin sprue to shame!) human kit as the last big goal. I'd love a Mantic human army (particularly if the rumor of the 3-way split is true)
Mantic better watch it though, being flush with cash and a bunch of (hopefully) awesome new kits. My expectations are going to be much higher for them (again) in the future.
I don't wanna see any more metal after the goblins!
Seperate bodies, heads, right arms and left arms on *all* models, so properly multi-part too. 5 models on each sprue as well, so it's not one of those little 2-man jobs either, there's plenty of variety.
Mantic finally made a sprue that doesn't have any of the design flaws that the internet has been yelling at it about for the last 2 years. :p
Sculpts are great too:
Goblins are my favourite fantasy race after humans, so I couldn't be happier.
I think a plastic sprue would be really great as an ambitious "final goal" for this kickstarter. $60k stretch goal for something downright awesome, like a plastic human sprue, and give away a full regiment of 20 as the reward.
Too risky to do as a stretch goal at the moment in case it doesn't work out, but in the last 2-3 days Mantic will have absolutely nothing to lose by just throwing it out there and seeing if people really want it.
Wait wait.... Im almost afraid to ask * this is my 3rd time asking :'P
Schmapdi wrote:I don't wanna see any more metal after the goblins!
I take it you mean for troops, as opposed to for characters?
Well yeah - character models and tiny things like that are fine. But definitely no more troops, especially horde-y ones like goblins.
I'd honestly rather Mantic run a small monthly kickstarter now if they need the funds to skip metal. It's just not something I want to deal with for anything but characters and the tiniest of skirmish games (even then I'd rather have resin TBH).
We do have a bit of a suprise unit not in the list coming if we can do the Fleabag Riders. Our fantastic concept artist Roberto is already working on it
Seperate bodies, heads, right arms and left arms on *all* models, so properly multi-part too. 5 models on each sprue as well, so it's not one of those little 2-man jobs either, there's plenty of variety.
Mantic finally made a sprue that doesn't have any of the design flaws that the internet has been yelling at it about for the last 2 years. :p
Sculpts are great too:
Goblins are my favourite fantasy race after humans, so I couldn't be happier.
I think a plastic sprue would be really great as an ambitious "final goal" for this kickstarter. $60k stretch goal for something downright awesome, like a plastic human sprue, and give away a full regiment of 20 as the reward.
Too risky to do as a stretch goal at the moment in case it doesn't work out, but in the last 2-3 days Mantic will have absolutely nothing to lose by just throwing it out there and seeing if people really want it.
Wait wait.... Im almost afraid to ask * this is my 3rd time asking :'P
Those ARE plastic plastic now? >.<
Not their arms. The plastic plastic goblins are the archers. All other goblins are plastic archers with metal sword and shield arms.
aaand, fleabag riders are go!
Wonder what the next stretch goals will be, they can't very well just keep giving away more free minis.... OR CAN THEY?!?
ThomasPolder wrote:aaand, fleabag riders are go!
Wonder what the next stretch goals will be, they can't very well just keep giving away more free minis.... OR CAN THEY?!?
They could always toss in something from their still unseen humans
Automatically Appended Next Post: $140,000 - Abyssal Dwarf Immortal Guard
We will produce a unit of Plastic Immortal Guard - these models will be complete figures (new legs and everything!) and will replace the existing hybrid models. We will also try and squeeze a few of the Black Soul upgrades onto the tool as well if we can.
Cyporiean wrote:Next goal is a Plastic Abyssal Dwarf Core Unit.
Funding amount required is unknown.
Automatically Appended Next Post: $140,000 - Abyssal Dwarf Immortal Guard
We will produce a unit of Plastic Immortal Guard - these models will be complete figures (new legs and everything!) and will replace the existing hybrid models. We will also try and squeeze a few of the Black Soul upgrades onto the tool as well if we can.
Now that's very nice. I will be a happy boy if every other Stretch goal now is getting rid of hybrid and metal units. Plus the fact that they are doubling the number in any army set you buy is ridiiculously generous. (And sure to help sell a few more AD/Elf armies).
I still think they should start with Goblins though, and nip the hybrid core units before they spread!
Schmapdi wrote:
$140,000 - Abyssal Dwarf Immortal Guard
Now that's very nice. I will be a happy boy if every other Stretch goal now is getting rid of hybrid and metal units. Plus the fact that they are doubling the number in any army set you buy is ridiiculously generous. (And sure to help sell a few more AD/Elf armies).
I still think they should start with Goblins though, and nip the hybrid core units before they spread!
I agree with you on the goblins. It might be that they've already produced a ton of the hybrid models and have them in stock right now. They clearly didn't expect this to happen with their Kickstarter..
scarletsquig wrote:
(In the Sedition Wars thread)
It might just be the case that they can't afford to add any more free stuff to the biohazard level.
The Mantic one has reached this point, although they're still giving out a unit of 5 models to $175+ backers with every stretch goal.
That really stood out to me, actually. The "human sized" units have become units of 5, not the units of 10 they're offering with the 2-for-$25. On one hand, I'm a little disappointed, on the other hand, I'm getting tons of stuff, and they're not asking me for another $10 for every extra unit, so I reckon I'll still be in the $175-225 range quite happily. Frankly, I'm a bit concerned about which figures I might want to get more $25-sets of, and with my wife interested in some of the figures for herself to paint, I'm starting to wonder if my wife and I should both put in a Kickstarter of $100+ each (if we can afford it.)
Cyporiean wrote:
scarletsquig wrote:New stretch goal added, and first post updated.
The $175 pledge level is worth over $450 currently!
Thanks for that Scarlet, any chance you could figure out the $225 on as well?
Please do! (and the $110!) I'm wondering if I can talk her into either $110 or $175, and maybe, just maybe get the $225 myself.....
Just added up the $110 one since it was easy to do..
The $110 pledge gets you $277.30 of models. 60% Discount from RRP.
I'll get cracking on the $225 ones, but they'll take a bit longer to figure out since I'm totally unfamiliar with US prices and have to check the store.
The short answer is that pretty much everything is an insanely good deal.
Warlord Imp wrote:So to clarify, if I get the $175 pledge and add on special extras that bring the total up to $255, do i get all items at the $225 level?
Nope, you get all the minis and loot the $175 pledge level includes and all the $80 of extras you bought. if you want the $225 level and your $80 extras you would need to pledge/pay $305.
scarletsquig wrote:
- Shipping to the US, Europe and Canada is free.
- International shipping is an additional $15.
- If you order contains a mixture of items that are already available, and items that are not, then your order will be shipped in 2 parts, so you don't have to wait.
Finally, Mantic has confirmed thatall pledges that add up to $100+ get all the $100+ freebies, whether you pick a $100+ pledge or not.
For example, you can pledge $35, then add 3 boxes of special extras for $110 total, and still get your free orc chariot, map, etc.
This also applies to the $175 and $225 level pledges, your total amount pledged is what matters, not the pledge level, for the sake of determining what freebies you get.
Note - If you don't live in Europe, the US, or Canada (where shipping is free), then the additional $15 shipping fee does not count towards your pledge level, it needs to be on top of it.
Warlord Imp wrote:So to clarify, if I get the $175 pledge and add on special extras that bring the total up to $255, do i get all items at the $225 level?
This is correct, you *do* get all the items from the $225 level.
Also, scipio, I'm done with the calculator! First post updated.
- The $225 pledge level gets you $630 total of stuff if you get the goblins, $615 if you get Twilight Kin, and just over $500 if you pick Abyssal Dwarves. 64% discount in total.
Basically, all the pledge levels come to about 60% or so discount, no matter what you buy (as long as it isn't dwarfs or abyssal dwarfs, get multiples of the army sets as special extras if you want those, it's cheaper).
If I had to hazard a guess, Mantic's production costs probably run at about 20% of RRP, so with this kickstarter, they'll be using about 50-60% of the money raised to fulfil orders and the rest will fund paying for the tooling of the new units.
It almost seems too good to be true with the deals they're offering, to the point where there are comments on the kickstarter and the mantic forums that are worried that it will bankrupt the company - it won't, they're definitely keeping an eye on their margins, but are still able to offer an extremely good deal in exchange for faith in the product being made.
Thanks, SS. I'm not sure what I'd get, actually. Maybe the $110 plus a bag and some 2-for-1 extras. Not sure about getting a whole army, as I already have about 3 large WFB Armies unpainted and unassembled. Goblins look good, but would I ever paint them. I like their ADs in general but don't much like the dwarf plastic bases.
Yeah, I agree with you on the abyssal dwarfs, I love how Mantic specifically said "new legs" for the current stretch goal, they knew exactly what people wanted to hear with regards to that.
The immortal guard will up for sale in the special extras as $25 for 20 after the next stretch goal is hit, so those might be a good way to hit the $175 mark to nab all the free units.
I have no interest in kickstarter. However, I do have interest in
your products. How long does it take for a project to go from
being a funding goal/for your funders to being readily available
as something I can buy at the flags?
malfred wrote:I have no interest in kickstarter. However, I do have interest in
your products. How long does it take for a project to go from
being a funding goal/for your funders to being readily available
as something I can buy at the flags?
Are you talking about the upcoming plastic stuff? Thats next year
malfred wrote:I mean anything they make as a result of getting funded.
any kickstarter rewards that are our now will be shipped in a month or so; anything they still have to make will be shipped out in bulk Q2 2013.
I'd say it'll all be available around that time.
really, if you'd like some of their new stuff though, buy it through kickstarter now! it's a long wait and you'll part with your money a lot sooner but you'll basically get 2 for the price of 1.
which is good
If you're interested in the rulebook or any of the currently-available armies (elves, dwarfs, goblins, etc) then you'd get those immediately. Ogres, trolls, werewolves and so forth are next year. Depends on which figures you're interested in, and if you have any interest in the rulebook.
As I said, it depends on which figures you're interested in. You can pledge $1 plus an in-stock army set as an "extra" for $75 or $95 (depending on which army you want) and a grand total of $76-96, etc.
I think supporting a FLGS is a pretty honourable thing - but if you want the best deal, the Kickstarter is the way to go, even if you don't want the book because it's effectively free.
Lovin' the new stretch goal - 2 cavalry kits are awesome!
If all else was equal, I'd support the FLGS. But living here in Australia it's unfortunately far from equal. It's like paying 25-100% more for stuff compared to buying from the UK/US (including shipping). And my FLGS was never all that F, anyway, and roughly an hour each way to get there, so not all that L either. I haven't shopped there regularly in 5+ years, and even then mostly did so because it was convenient and most of the staff were cool... shame about the owner.
edit -
Looks like we're only $1400 away from the cavalry now. I wonder what's next?
Backing $175, selecting $100 level to be able to ad 2-3x Dark Knight sets and a set of angelic palas if last stretch is achived... 20-30 Dark knights would be a nice cavalery part of a Twilight kin /DE army!
New update with a little background - $175K is definitely attainable - what can we do to help get it there? I want an Angel but no more monies to pledge :(
New update with a little background - $175K is definitely attainable - what can we do to help get it there? I want an Angel but no more monies to pledge :(
It will easily get there. hell, it's already trending over $180k and the last 2 or 3 or even 4 days on projects like this one tend to go much, much quicker than the previous 28, often earning a 3rd or so of the final total. Now while I don't think this will do quite that exceptional I would not be surprised to see this get to ~$250 either.
lots of people wait 'till the last minute to pledge for some reason and pay day is coming up for a lot of folks, too (now with a CC that shouldn't necessarily matter but to a lot of people, it seemingly does.)
And they look every bit as good as I expected them to look! The armour is perfect, it looks heavy enough for a knight but not overornamented and I hope Mantic keeps on doing more fantasy Hairdos and not only the typical long hair for elves and bob cut for medieval humans.
Hmm - shouldn't we be on *five* new heroes by now?
One Eternal Warrior level (one Hero), two Living Legend packages (one General per set) and the Eternal Warriors one (which is 2 x Eternal Warrior, so two Heroes)...
Dysartes wrote:Hmm - shouldn't we be on *five* new heroes by now?
One Eternal Warrior level (one Hero), two Living Legend packages (one General per set) and the Eternal Warriors one (which is 2 x Eternal Warrior, so two Heroes)...
uh, that's been changed in the first post already.
can't expect mantic to go change it everywhere they've mentioned it on the KS page, nobody knows his way through that labyrinth anymore
scarletsquig wrote:
Other 2 armies in the new expansion book will be Demons and Druids
I know you're gonna hate me for saying this, but I assume Druids are gonna be "Not Wood Elves"
Although they also have elementals. Mmm I love me some elementals
Not at all, but it's worth pointing out that wood elves are already covered by the elf army list, they have the 3 types of tree creature in there... highly likely that those three units will also cross over into the "Nature" army list, in the same way that the demons from the abyssal dwarf and twilight kin list will no doubt appear in the demon list.
Mantic's Elves paint up very nicely if you paint them with leather armour instead of metal, too.. it makes them seem less thin and a little more realistic, since it is easier to picture skin-tight clothing than skin-tight full plate armour.
According to Kicktraq, nearly $20k has been pledged today! This is really starting to heat up, it has become far too much of a good deal to miss out on.
ThomasPolder wrote:
lots of people wait 'till the last minute to pledge for some reason and pay day is coming up for a lot of folks, too (now with a CC that shouldn't necessarily matter but to a lot of people, it seemingly does.)
More people than ever use visa debit cards these days - avoids getting into credit debt as you can only spend what you have but are still able to use visa. Same with prepaid visa cards starting to become more common...
At this rate, I suspect Mantic will need their next stretch goal by roughly mid-afternoon UK time - over $16k already. Over 3,300% funded, which is just insane...
4 days left and $171k. I think we'll see $200k. $250 would be a real stretch, though.
They should add some more "hero model sculpted in your likeness" rewards - Mary-Sues seem to be popular, and they sell those for a ton of money. - and frankly, we all look pretty much the same if we were to be shrunk down to 28mm, so it wouldn't be too hard.
Just rang them and suggested it. If I posted it anywhere, it'd take them a month to sift through the posts and emails at this stage... the bloke on the phone is going to talk to "Chris" who is running it and see what he thinks.
Well I am coming out of nowhere but this kickstarter looks so tempting. The $175 is such a money sucker that I am tempted to just join in.
Now my question is if I end up not finding mates to play or the time to invest on the game how easy is to resell the game? Also how easy and fast to play is this game? Does anyone as a good review on their gaming system. Their webpage is seriously lacking, shouldn't really be that hard to find displays of their entire miniature range.
^ There's the Mantic forum on Dakka, which has some discussion about it.
Kings of War is extremely fast and easy to play, but with great tactical depth. Rules are free and regularly-updated and you can use your warhammer army to start playing, so there is literally zero cost to any current warhammer player who wants to give it a go.
The army lists are balanced, both internally, and against each other, there are no "broken" lists or units. This has been achieved over the course of 3 years of open public playtesting and feedback.
The company listens to the players, a lot. Basically, think of every single possible thing that people wish GW would do in terms of supporting their rules. Mantic does all of them.
You win the game mainly using tactics during gameplay, not by writing an uber-list of doom. Flank and rear attacks are hugely powerful, so movement is very important. Characters are separate units, and float around blocks of infantry, offering support in the form of morale (banner bearers) magic (wizards) and combat (heroes).
Games take about one-half to one-third of the amount of time it takes to play a game of warhammer fantasy, thanks to lightweight rules and unit-based gameplay.
Rules are not long-winded, they are brief and well-written, which makes them extremely quick to learn and means that there are almost no rules disputes or grey areas. Very "tight" system without any ambiguity or tons of special rules to remember.
Can't recommend it enough, it really is a great game, quite subtle in that it's easy to learn, difficult to master.
Worst case scenario is that you're left with a ton of good figures to use for warhammer. Resale value is fine, put them on ebay and they sell for the just the same rates that GW stuff does. You might have problems shifting the kickstarter freebie units specifically though, since I imagine there will be more than a few backers who have had the idea of getting in on this just to turn a profit at a later date, along with others who will either swap or sell their spare freebie units for the armies that they don't want to collect.
scarletsquig wrote:You might have problems shifting the kickstarter freebie units specifically though, since I imagine there will be more than a few backers who have had the idea of getting in on this just to turn a profit at a later date, along with others who will either swap or sell their spare freebie units for the armies that they don't want to collect.
then again I wouldn't be surprised if you almost broke even on just selling the army in a 175 or 225 pledge. Besides, those freebies look like they'd be useful, decently often used units, which means they'll probably fetch a decent price too - just not right away.
scarletsquig wrote:^ There's the Mantic forum on Dakka, which has some discussion about it.
Kings of War is extremely fast and easy to play, but with great tactical depth. Rules are free and regularly-updated and you can use your warhammer army to start playing, so there is literally zero cost to any current warhammer player who wants to give it a go.
The army lists are balanced, both internally, and against each other, there are no "broken" lists or units. This has been achieved over the course of 3 years of open public playtesting and feedback.
The company listens to the players, a lot. Basically, think of every single possible thing that people wish GW would do in terms of supporting their rules. Mantic does all of them.
You win the game mainly using tactics during gameplay, not by writing an uber-list of doom. Flank and rear attacks are hugely powerful, so movement is very important. Characters are separate units, and float around blocks of infantry, offering support in the form of morale (banner bearers) magic (wizards) and combat (heroes).
Games take about one-half to one-third of the amount of time it takes to play a game of warhammer fantasy, thanks to lightweight rules and unit-based gameplay.
Rules are not long-winded, they are brief and well-written, which makes them extremely quick to learn and means that there are almost no rules disputes or grey areas. Very "tight" system without any ambiguity or tons of special rules to remember.
Can't recommend it enough, it really is a great game, quite subtle in that it's easy to learn, difficult to master.
Worst case scenario is that you're left with a ton of good figures to use for warhammer. Resale value is fine, put them on ebay and they sell for the just the same rates that GW stuff does. You might have problems shifting the kickstarter freebie units specifically though, since I imagine there will be more than a few backers who have had the idea of getting in on this just to turn a profit at a later date, along with others who will either swap or sell their spare freebie units for the armies that they don't want to collect.
Thank you very much this is exactly what I was looking for. Just a question though is there any way to get a 1000pts undead army and a 1000points goblins army? I can see the $275 level for two armies but I believe this cannot be any of their elites army am I right?
^ Yes, there is a way, just add $50 to your total pledge to upgrade a basic 1000 point army (orcs, elves,undead dwarfs) to an "elite" 1000 point army (goblins, twilight kin, abyssal dwarfs).
So, for both goblins and undead, pledge $325 and you're all set!
You'll get the armies and the rulebook shipped right away, and all the other freebies will be sent in a second package later on in the year once they're all produced.
scarletsquig wrote:^ Yes, there is a way, just add $50 to your total pledge to upgrade a basic 1000 point army (orcs, elves,undead dwarfs) to an "elite" 1000 point army (goblins, twilight kin, abyssal dwarfs).
So, for both goblins and undead, pledge $325 and you're all set!
Men I hate you. :( I wish there wasn't an option to get them both. I am already backing SW if I back up this one as well it means I will have to struggle a bit this month. Guess is time to shift away some of my GW that I am keeping just in case I decide to do something else. With these two kickstartes I might just had bought miniatures for the next 10 years .
Your basically putting in for the design of an entire expansion book w/3 armies and the first two units of those armies. Plus it seems normal for the cost between perks to go up as it gets closer to the end.
Am interested in this because the deal is awesome but comes at a really bad time. Sedition Wars kick starter and 40k 6th.
How are the Kings of War Rules compared to Fantasy 8th? Dunno anyone locally who plays Kings of War.
The Celestian army does sound cool. Would be interesting to see what these Battle nuns look like. Might make nice DCA conversions for my Sisters of Battle army.
How well do the undead work for a counts as warhammer fantasy vampire counts army say if I can't find anyone to play Kings of War with?
I saw some elves a friend bought and they really looked anorexic and not very compatible with GW.
I was considering getting the 1000 point undead army and then adding werewolves and something else to get to the $225 level. This sounds like an awesome deal as you get the undead vampiress as the leader and the undead standard bearer with lots of other extras.
Are the werewolves the proper size for GW Vargulfs?
scarletsquig wrote:Well, you'll be getting over $1000 of stuff for your $325 by the time this thing is over, so I'm sure you won't regret it!
Also, shifting old GW stuff is great for raising cash... every time there's a price rise it goes up in value, and more people on ebay want to buy it..
Do I get you right: You pledge 225$ and get merchandise worth 700$, you pledge 325$ and get merchandise worth 1000$.
How does Mantic raise funds when they sell the production of the next half year for basically production costs? Does that make economic sense? Or will the kickstarter hurt Mantic? Not sure if any other kickstarter sells their product for 30% retail price.
Well a lot of the cost of a miniature is in the initial up-front investment; marginal cost is quite low, most of the time (look at chinese recaster prices ^^ it's even more extreme on injection-molded polystyrene). They give everyone a motley assortment of units, which isn't really useful to just put on a table and play with. It's a good way to get people to collect more, though.
And a lot of it will ship Q2 2013. They'll have that money available for almost a year. That's worth something too; sizeable loans are hard to get for niche companies like mantic.
scarletsquig wrote:Well, you'll be getting over $1000 of stuff for your $325 by the time this thing is over, so I'm sure you won't regret it!
Also, shifting old GW stuff is great for raising cash... every time there's a price rise it goes up in value, and more people on ebay want to buy it..
Do I get you right: You pledge 225$ and get merchandise worth 700$, you pledge 325$ and get merchandise worth 1000$.
How does Mantic raise funds when they sell the production of the next half year for basically production costs? Does that make economic sense? Or will the kickstarter hurt Mantic? Not sure if any other kickstarter sells their product for 30% retail price.
Wholesale to Retail markup on minis is between 43% and 47% on average, so I doubt they are losing much (is any) by running these deals on Kickstarter.
Considering they are the Manufacturer and not the Wholesaler.
Kirika wrote:Am interested in this because the deal is awesome but comes at a really bad time. Sedition Wars kick starter and 40k 6th.
In one way yes, although both this and the Sedition Wars kickstarters were cunningly timed to coincide with the GW price increase. I suppose you could argue that Sedition Wars is a board game, and 40k is a sci-fi game so they are not in competition with each other (at least directly)
How are the Kings of War Rules compared to Fantasy 8th? Dunno anyone locally who plays Kings of War.
Scroll up, there is a pretty good explanation from ScarletSquig regarding the ins and outs of the game. Can't help you with the second bit, although I will say that my local club has taken an interest in this - they are quite competitive-orientated, and like the sound of KoW compared to the more random nature of WFB 8th.
How well do the undead work for a counts as warhammer fantasy vampire counts army say if I can't find anyone to play Kings of War with?
I don't think there is a Vampire Counts player at my club who doesn't have Mantic core units in there somewhere. It was a deliberate business decision to make a lot of the units in Kings of War compatible with WFB - outside of a Games Workshop store itself, you should be fine using them. The flip side of this is that Mantic allows miniatures from other manufacturers even at their own official tournaments/events.
I saw some elves a friend bought and they really looked anorexic and not very compatible with GW.
Some of the KoW stuff (like the undead and perhaps Goblins) are very similar to GW's range in its design aesthetic. Others are different, most notably the Elves and Orcs. I guess it depends which design concept you prefer - the Mantic Elves are actually really nice little models when you see them in person, although they are not 'heroically scaled' like their GW counterparts and so perhaps don't mix that well. The same situation with the Orcs, which are more like the traditional D&D/Tolkien-esque fantasy Orc, rather than the Brian Nelson GW sculpt which has very different proportions. I guess it's nice that now you have an option of making a new army, and choosing whichever look you prefer.
Are the werewolves the proper size for GW Vargulfs?
Do they have a black coach equivelent?
I think there has only been concept art of the Werewolf so far. I would expect them to be a similar size, perhaps a little smaller, although that is just a guess!
I'm looking forward to seeing just how far this Kickstarter goes. The Celestians look nifty. However, I really, really, really hope that the Battle Nuns aren't sexy. Female warriors in functional armor, without corsets or garter belts, would be a truly unique item and that would probably be enough to get me to start a new army.
ooooo... I like the metal face plates and armor. Thanks for the link!
edit: looking through the earlier updates, the beserkers riding brocks look very cool too! How well does Mantic follow through from the concept art to the model? When I think of Mantic, the first models that come to mind are those awkward small dragon cavalry figs; did they look promising in their concept stages? They've got some seriously good concept art and it would be great if they could stick close to it in quality.
I hope some of the other bonuses are available for purchase. For example, I'm thinking about a $100 pledge, but want that skeleton standard bearer. Here's hoping!
This may be a stupid question but the deal just seems too good to be true. Units like the abyssal dwarves immortal guards and elven stormwind cavalry are already available on their website for significantly more than the $25 charged in the extras section of the kickstarter ($35 and $45 respectively). On top of that, they're in the buy one get one free category... so you get 10 stormwind cav for less than half the price of 5 currently??? The dwarven brock riders seem like a steal if you can get 10 dwarven cav figs for $25 with no tax and free shipping.
warboss wrote:This may be a stupid question but the deal just seems too good to be true. Units like the abyssal dwarves immortal guards and elven stormwind cavalry are already available on their website for significantly more than the $25 charged in the extras section of the kickstarter ($35 and $45 respectively). On top of that, they're in the buy one get one free category... so you get 10 stormwind cav for less than half the price of 5 currently??? The dwarven brock riders seem like a steal if you can get 10 dwarven cav figs for $25 with no tax and free shipping.
The reason is because the Immortal Guard and the Stormwind Calvary on the Mantic website are the existing metal (or hybrid) models. Some of the stretch goals have involved turning those units into full plastic units*. Which, for Mantic, results in about a 50% price drop.
*Sprue-less plastic, aka plastic resin, aka the not quite plastic plastic. But still loads cheaper/nicer than metal.
warboss wrote:This may be a stupid question but the deal just seems too good to be true. Units like the abyssal dwarves immortal guards and elven stormwind cavalry are already available on their website for significantly more than the $25 charged in the extras section of the kickstarter ($35 and $45 respectively). On top of that, they're in the buy one get one free category... so you get 10 stormwind cav for less than half the price of 5 currently??? The dwarven brock riders seem like a steal if you can get 10 dwarven cav figs for $25 with no tax and free shipping.
Some of the kits are changing from their current form to straight plastic kits - that would be the Immortal Guard and Palace Guard - which would help explain why they'd now be cheaper.
I thought the two Elf cavalry kits were both new sets, but I could be wrong on that.
Once the moulds are set up, it isn't going to cost a lot to produce the models, as the raw materials are cheap. Helps when the company running the KS is the manufacturer, no?
warboss wrote:This may be a stupid question but the deal just seems too good to be true. Units like the abyssal dwarves immortal guards and elven stormwind cavalry are already available on their website for significantly more than the $25 charged in the extras section of the kickstarter ($35 and $45 respectively). On top of that, they're in the buy one get one free category... so you get 10 stormwind cav for less than half the price of 5 currently??? The dwarven brock riders seem like a steal if you can get 10 dwarven cav figs for $25 with no tax and free shipping.
Yes, you get 10 stormwind cav for that price. They will be plastic. The ones on their website currently are metal.
Same applies to the immortal guard, and elf palace guard... all of these units might be getting a partial or whole re-sculpt as they get converted to the new material.
That's the whole point of this kickstarter, allowing Mantic to produce more affordable miniatures, and a larger range of models.
Everything I've mentioned in the first post is accurate.
Ok, now in for Veteran $110 option, and taking it to $225 so I can get all the Werewolves I want, plus all the other extras. Had to put in $15 for wound counters at the end to get me there. Might kick in $10 more for another special choice, but I am not quite there yet.
Something that might interest people in here, a piece by Guy Haley, the writer of the background for the new rulebook where he talks about his ideas behind it all.
Source is the Mantic blog, but I'll repost it here too:
Spoiler:
How do you make an entirely new fantasy world for a wargame? That’s a question I had to ask myself when Ronnie at Mantic commissioned me to piece together an overarching background history for The Kings of War rulebook.
I’m no stranger to worldbuilding, I do it all the time in my own fiction, but creating something for a wargames system is a bit different to making a world up for your own stories. Game worlds come about in one of two ways – they’re either planned out in detail by a small group, or they evolve from the ideas of many gamers over the course of years. Both continue to develop organically over time, of course, but only some start that way.
Mantica came about by a hothoused version of the latter; organically grown, but at speed. It involved the input of quite a few people, all whose ideas were somewhat different. This is a good thing, as gaming ideas born from the brains of the many are generally more involving than those that spring from the few.
It was my job to pull it all together.
I’ve been involved with the world of Mantica from near the beginning. In fact, I came up with large parts of it while we were making the Mantic Journal – I came up with a rough outline some time ago that formed the basis of the final version in the book, I drew the map, and I wrote the history for the orcs and dwarfs from scratch, among other things.
With a project like this, you’re always drawing on the ideas of others. For example, much of the undead and elf material had already been written when I came on board. This material provided plenty of detail, while their histories were fortunately vague enough to stand adaption.
Other directives and bits of background material came from the models themselves. They were designed to a brief after all, to fit a certain look and evoke Mantic’s ideas of what an elf or goblin should be. Further concepts came from Alessio Cavatore, the writer of the rules. In most cases he decided on a direction for the armies, and wrote a list to suit. So I knew, in the main, how a race looked, how they fought, and what their traditions of war were. I’ve had conversations with Ronnie and Alessio about the world and how it works, with both of them giving input and ideas to my suggestions and coming up with major elements themselves. The Abyss, for example, a key part of our world, that one was Alessio’s. The rest, particularly the history of the world, was up to me.
Archetypes, not cliché
There’s a big danger when creating fantasy that it doesn’t immediately slide into cliché. Elves, dwarfs, orcs, men and more, all living on one world… Pick up any sub-Tolkien fantasy trilogy and you’ll find variations on the theme. A wargame, especially a fantasy wargame, demands the full menagerie, and there are certain apects of each creature you can’t mess with. A dwarf is never going to love an orc, otherwise you might as well call them both something else. The trouble is, there are some highly original wargames out there that have all manner of different characters and species, but they’re not particularly popular. I completely understand why – when I play a fantasy wargame, I want to play out battles between haughty elves and wicked monsters, not refight the last stand of the cat people of Mew-mew. That’s not to say that cat people aren’t cool, but they’re perhaps not wise business.
The difficulty for a writer in this situation is not to come up with something that’s completely derivative. You want to employ heroic fantasy archetypes, not rearrange tired cliché. There’s not a great deal of room for manoeuvre, but sometimes having strict boundaries drives creativity.
Firstly, I tried to make Mantica obliquely topical. A lot of the fantasy games and books from the 80s that are still popular today play upon apocalyptic themes, many indirectly inspired by the then-prevalent fear of nuclear war. Fantasy needs a threat, a reason for conflict, it’s a defining part of the genre, so I plumped for something similarly world-ending – environmental ruin. Mantica is a wreck, reckless elven magic in the dim past caused half its gods to go insane, and precipitated a series of terrible wars. There was a magically induced ice age, a great inundation that drowned many kingdoms and all manner of other upheavals. Most of the remaining societies in our “present” are fragmented, and struggling to recapture their ancient glory. There’s plenty of new land revealed by retreating ice, and a lot of ancient enmity – perfect for never-ending war.
Unlike some wargames, I wanted Mantica to have a story that could move forward. I didn’t want a “one minute to midnight” feel that renders the actions of our heroes somewhat hopeless, so I put the great wars in the past. In some ways, Mantica is a post-apocalyptic world. Now is a period of retrenchment, but the threat of dark gods returning hangs over all. There are dangerous ruins everywhere, while deadly artefacts and monsters created in the God Wars can be found across the world. The inhabitants of Mantica might pray for a bright future, but it could all go horribly wrong…
I also tried to move away a little from the standards of each racial stereotype: Our dwarfs are powerful and resurgent, mankind’s glory days are in the past, the elves are crippled by internal tensions. The elves in particular are interesting, as it’s been their arrogance and meddling with magic that have unleashed two of the world’s greatest evils. These aren’t huge divergences from the accepted fantasy norm – they fit the archetype – but cumulatively they make the world our own. Hopefully, this keeps us out of the realm of cliché.
A bit of Tolkien, a bit of Beastmaster
For the tone of Mantica, I drew upon two specific influences. I went back to Tolkien for the grand sweep of history: the rising and falling of nations, the reforming of the world, doomed love, the conflict with the divine… We’re talking The Silmarillion here rather than The Lord of the Rings. But the detail of it, at the day-to-day level, comes purely from Sword and Sorcery. Sword and Sorcery pretty much was the be all and end all of fantasy before Tolkien came along, and it’s a sub genre I love – Conan, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, The Eternal Champion… These stories are about the actions of individuals, good and bad, rather than the relentless push of fate. They’re full of horrible creatures, dark magics, and mad wizards, desperate struggles in dark places against terrible foes. Sword and Sorcery is darker than Heroic Fantasy for sure, but there’s a grain of hope in it, and an ownership of one’s actions. Tolkien’s Middle-earth, for example, is a creation in a state of perpetual degeneration. Other heroes find themselves just pawns of destiny. Mantica needn’t be like that.
What Mantica looks like in the future is very much up to you, as the world is now established, so it’s entering its secondary phase, a time when there’s still tons of stuff to be defined, and great sagas to be written. By choosing this mix of deep history and individual action I’ve tried to put the fate of a world in your hands. Have fun deciding it.
Something a little more besides the affordable minis that might make people interested in the game.
The setting of the game world is a post-apocalyptic one that has been ruined by magically-induced environmental disasters, where the reckless elves ended up triggering a new ice age, and turned half of the gods insane.
Progressive setting too. Like Warmachine, it will move forward, rather than being static like Warhammer or 40k.
Dwarfs are the dominant race in the world, the one that seems to be in the centre, with the most land.. only unlike the Empire (and Dwarfs especially) in fantasy, they're not constantly under attack and in decline, they're the ones doing the attacking and conquering of new land, both in areas occupied by men and elves, and new lands revealed by the retreating ice.
Elves are splintered amongst various and constantly-warring factions.
The good humans are the Celestians, ruled over by the "Shining Ones", so it's a highly religious solar cult, one which used to be the dominant power in the world, but is now reduced to a single capital city and the surrounding lands.
Orcs have a short and brutal lifespan, (naturally up to 20 years, but most will suffer a painful death long before hit they hit 10), all of it spent picking out a meagre existence in the wind and rain, amidst the worst scraps of land in the world. They absolutely hate civilised races with warm and comfortable cities to live in, green fields and lifespans that are much longer than theirs (dwarfs and elves live for centuries). They have a martial culture, where the leader of each tribe wants to carve out a name for himself in the songs and sagas after he dies by leading major attacks on the civilised races before he either gets killed in battle or killed in a challenge by a younger upstart.
The Abyss is a massive chasm, ripped open in the world via magical disaster belching smoke and ash across its surroundings. Home to all manner of evil demons, gods and horrors that the elves accidentally unleashed on to the surface.
Thanks for posting that ScarletSquig, made interesting reading! I like the way it is the Dwarfs that are dominant, and pushing forward, and the humans are in decline. Also, the stuff about the Orcs is quite cool, making you feel a little bit sorry for them (so, definitely a spin on the way most of us think about Orcs!) But, am I the only one who regrets there not being any cat people of Mew-Mew?
@Dragon riders
There was no concept shown to the public, so we will never know how they were intended to look. Mostly Mantic does not deviate that much from concepts.
Schmapdi wrote:I'm curious - pretty much this whole Kickstarter we've seen a trend of $10,000 - get a new unit sculpted.
But these last 2 goals it's suddenly $25k per new unit sculpted. Why the jump?
Probably because they're adding in a free mini each time they add a goal with a new unit. Every new "free" mini cuts into the profit margin a little bit. Selling direct to the customer (instead of going through distributors/retailers) and making up for individual sale profit with bulk gives them a nice margin that they can chip away from with "free" minis even if the starting price is reasonable.
Schmapdi wrote:
The reason is because the Immortal Guard and the Stormwind Calvary on the Mantic website are the existing metal (or hybrid) models. Some of the stretch goals have involved turning those units into full plastic units*. Which, for Mantic, results in about a 50% price drop.
*Sprue-less plastic, aka plastic resin, aka the not quite plastic plastic. But still loads cheaper/nicer than metal.
Ah, thanks... I didn't catch that distinction with my first albeit short visit there. From looking at some of the older KS updates, it looks like most of these units won't be availabe until the middle of next year due to the sheer number of sculpts being added. Either way, 28mm cav at $2.50 each is a pretty good deal. Is mantic a bit more reliable with their release estimates and fullfilling orders than Avatars of War?
scarletsquig wrote:
Everything I've mentioned in the first post is accurate.
And it is very informative. I've been stealth skimming the thread for a while so checking the first page wasn't my first thought.
Duncan_Idaho wrote:@Dragon riders
There was no concept shown to the public, so we will never know how they were intended to look. Mostly Mantic does not deviate that much from concepts.
I'm not sure if this was directed at me as I asked about concept art for the Drakon riders of which I'm not a fan. I did find some drawings with a quick google search and they did look cool IMHO... but that didn't seem to carry over to the minis despite them being relatively close to the art.
I'm generally a scifi gamer at heart but I've always had a soft spot for dwarven beserkers and random "useful for D&D" figs. The former would benefit from the beserkers on brocks shown but I'm not sure how the size matches up with the Avatars of War beserker box set. Do any fans of dwarves out there have both the Mantic and AoW not-slayers handy in a side by side pic? I'd assume the upcoming ones would be to scale with their previous releases. As for the later, the newer paladins and nuns would scratch the itch that D&D minis has left unfullfilled for a few years.
I think it's the lack of forearms on the Drakon that ruin them. It's also the only real change I can see from the concept art, which is unfortunate, because that looks pretty cool, but the models look like they are riding some sort of scaly turkey.
scarletsquig wrote:New concept art for the brock riders:
Badgers! Awesome.
Interesting. I think that would make a good normal dwarven cavalry unit but it's definitely third out of three on my list for a beserker mount. Maybe partly due to the angrier nature of the rider as well as the mount, but I like the previous pic more. Dwarves on bears and with armored badgers has already been done but I don't think I've seem them with angry mini-dinosaurs ever.
Even the little bulldog horse appeals to me a bit more.
If Naismith is doing the 'Battle Nuns' I'm probably going to jump on this. I really, really like his females in the Cobalt-1 line and I think he will do them justice.
I'm generally a scifi gamer at heart but I've always had a soft spot for dwarven beserkers and random "useful for D&D" figs. The former would benefit from the beserkers on brocks shown but I'm not sure how the size matches up with the Avatars of War beserker box set. Do any fans of dwarves out there have both the Mantic and AoW not-slayers handy in a side by side pic? I'd assume the upcoming ones would be to scale with their previous releases. As for the later, the newer paladins and nuns would scratch the itch that D&D minis has left unfullfilled for a few years.
Those are terrible. They look like swan paddle-boats you see at the lake or a theme park ride.
My issue is the concept art often looks so far superior to the final product. I don't think I have seen a single concept art where the model has lived up to or exceeded the art. I have a really big problem as they draw such awesome orcs/orx in a Heroic scale with humanoid faces where the upper lip is small like a human and the clenched fist is larger than the orc's head and the arms are massive (heroic scale, World of Warcraft style) then the minis are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. We get bug-eyed extended muzzle D&D orks with small hands and realistic body proportions. And then they make a HERO model who looks like an entirley different species.
I love the Ork with the axe in the kickstarter. The final mini will look nothing like it I suspect which is a shame. It is almost as if the ork in the concept art is a half-ogre compared to the other orks who are more bestial, smaller and hunched.
nkelsch wrote:
I love the Ork with the axe in the kickstarter. The final mini will look nothing like it I suspect which is a shame. It is almost as if the ork in the concept art is a half-ogre compared to the other orks who are more bestial, smaller and hunched.
My issue is the concept art often looks so far superior to the final product. I don't think I have seen a single concept art where the model has lived up to or exceeded the art. .
Sad but true, theres always that chance of things ending differently than they started
I think it used to be more of the case rather than now, especially with the very early concept stuff. Now they seem to have settled down with a design team, and to an extent with the various concepts, the design art we are getting is much closer to the end product. I've put some examples in the spoiler tags:
It is almost as if the ork in the concept art is a half-ogre compared to the other orks who are more bestial, smaller and hunched.
Those aren't orcs in the cover art picture. Those are goblins.
And the big orc on the boar is artwork based on the miniature that Emily posted, not the other way around.
There's already multiple posted examples of stuff that looks like the concept art, pretty much exactly. This is one area where Mantic has improved, a lot.
Gary Morley was the sculptor for the Drakon Riders. Massive, gigantic quality difference between his sculpts for the elves (Drakons, Stormwind Cav) and Kev White's sculpts (Palace Guard, Lord on Battle Dragon).
Mantic aren't using as many different random freelancers these days, they seem to have settled on a few guys that they are happy with, and try to get one sculptor to do an entire range of models themselves where possible to avoid the problems they had in the past.
Valhallan42nd wrote:So, for $175 dollars pledged, I get 4 armies and a host of goodies that I can use in two different games?
It seems almost too good to be true.
You get to choose one of those armies. It is still too good to be true, but not that good.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Personally, I'm shooting for the $125 for the two little armies and I'll boost up with some other stuff to 175 to get all the freebies.
Those are terrible. They look like swan paddle-boats you see at the lake or a theme park ride.
My issue is the concept art often looks so far superior to the final product.
That's *not* the concept art for those models though... regardless, they're old sculpts now. Just look at the Corporation, Veer-myn and Goblins for examples for where they are really starting to hit their stride. McVey's input can only be good having seen the quality coming back from Sedition Wars!!
Dawnbringer wrote:I think it's the lack of forearms on the Drakon that ruin them. It's also the only real change I can see from the concept art, which is unfortunate, because that looks pretty cool, but the models look like they are riding some sort of scaly turkey.
Forearms, as you say, also the leg positioning (the models look awful) and the head/mouth shape - going from an organic beast look to the form of a stone gargoyle - or perhaps a Chaos Land Raider gun ornamentation!
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nkelsch wrote:
My issue is the concept art often looks so far superior to the final product. I don't think I have seen a single concept art where the model has lived up to or exceeded the art. I have a really big problem as they draw such awesome orcs/orx in a Heroic scale with humanoid faces where the upper lip is small like a human and the clenched fist is larger than the orc's head and the arms are massive (heroic scale, World of Warcraft style) then the minis are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. We get bug-eyed extended muzzle D&D orks with small hands and realistic body proportions. And then they make a HERO model who looks like an entirley different species.
I do agree with you - and it applies almost as much to the Corporation figures as well, The concept art for the officer posted above is superior to the actual figure. I expect overall similar results from all the stuff being sculpted here as well, but they do sometimes manage to pull off some gems, and I've always loved Ogres and Trolls and other large monsters - which should also give them more of a canvas to pull something cool off. Admittedly, the undead (their best models to date, still) are quite small and still very good, so there's hope still. I'm still in for $225. Nothing says I can't cut and convert and swap bits with GW and other models to bring the Mantic figures up to speed where I think they need it.
I guess I need to figure out my final wantlist by tomorrow...
I find it hard to believe that anyone gave the Drakons a green light for production. There had to be illicit substances or a malaria induced fever involved.
To charge you more than you would normally pay? The freebies after $175 level it back out but it seems a little silly before that. That being said I'm waiting for them to get hit the $200k mark and I'll put in for some buy one get one free deals that might take me up around $225 so tons of freebies.
No, they don't. Some actually come with less. Bear in mind this is at the captain level ($100). It goes back to level at the $175 mark.
@Cyporian
I would only consider the dice a real add-on as any other $100+ purchase will net you a electronic version of the hardback and a special undead model. I just don't like starting $25 behind
But to be absolutely fair I only have issue with the $100 level, the rest are amazing and as soon as you hit $175 it's friggin ridiculous
And to be even more fair in the extra's section they sell them for the same price as the website for the most part
Hulksmash, you've read the kickstarter page wrong!
The $100 level comes with $125 of stuff, plus a vampiress miniature... even before you add all the kickstarter freebies on top... once you do that it's more like $200 of stuff in total.
- $75 RRP Army Set
- $45 RRP Hardback Rulebook
- $5 RRP Dice.
My first post in this topic lays out all or most of the RRP costs, and is completely accurate. And nobody bothers to read it.
Re-read what it says on the kickstarter page. It says SOLDIER + Army Set + Vampiress.
Note that SOLDIER means "rulebook,mini-rulebook, and dice". All the stuff at the $35 level + Army Set + Vampiress.
Could it be less confusing? Yes! That's what I made the first post of this thread for.
Has this been pointed out to Mantic? Yes! But they can't change it with this one because kickstarter doesn't let you edit pledge levels once someone has picked them.
scarletsquig wrote:Gary Morley was the sculptor for the Drakon Riders. Massive, gigantic quality difference between his sculpts for the elves (Drakons, Stormwind Cav) and Kev White's sculpts (Palace Guard, Lord on Battle Dragon)
That explains a lot! I remember him ruining LotR with the sons of Elrond and the Swan Knights.
No, they don't. Some actually come with less. Bear in mind this is at the captain level ($100). It goes back to level at the $175 mark.
Sorry, I thought you were referring to the about-to-be-released battle-sets. But even if you're referring to the $75 army set - the contents are exactly the same as the $100 pledge. They don't contain less. Plus you get the rulebook, dice, and vampire mini on top of it. (plus a load of freebies).
Mantic really has too many starter sets/bundles/etc - it gets confusing.
See I am starting to really consider this now, especially thanks to a conversation earlier in the thread that explained I can upgrade one of the $175 armies to an elite for $50.
Can someone clarify for me, if I get the $175 and upgrade one of the two to elite for $50, making my total $225. That does count as $225 level for reward tiers aye?
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:See I am starting to really consider this now, especially thanks to a conversation earlier in the thread that explained I can upgrade one of the $175 armies to an elite for $50.
Can someone clarify for me, if I get the $175 and upgrade one of the two to elite for $50, making my total $225. That does count as $225 level for reward tiers aye?
The $175 pledge level only comes with one army, the $275 level comes with two armies.
Whatever your total amount pledged is, that's what counts for determining what freebies you get.
You can buy something ridiculous like 30 packs of wound counters and nothing else for $225 total if you want, and you'll still get the $225 level rewards.
Have a look at the first post, it's all in there, but feel free to ask or PM me about any other questions, I've been getting loads of PMs about this anyway.
I appreciate you ardor but you need to breath. I read it and understand what comes in it. I'm coming from a purely model perspective as once you pledge $100 you're already getting an additional mini and the rulebook in an electronic format so to me those are a wash. I'd be generous and say you're starting $20 behind since the dice are $5.
And as I already pointed out the extras section has them for pretty much the same cost. Chill out, breath, and try reading what other people are saying too. I'm a fan of this kickstarter but am just meh about a hardback rulebook as this game just isn't played around me. I'm in it for the models if anything
Well, I did make that post before my morning cup o' tea so that would explain any crankiness.
I didn't realise you had no interest in the game and were removing the rulebook from your valuation based on that and the fact that you can get a free download anyway. When you said "they're charging more than you normally pay" that was the part everyone who doesn't see the full-colour hardback rulebook as being worth $0 took issue with.
If you just want the miniatures, you can just put down a $1 pledge, then buy anything you want from the special extras section, you'll still get all the rewards.
There are army boxes for sale in the special extra section too, for $75, if you want all the freebies at the $225 level, just get 3 of those.. and there won't be a rulebook in your order, just 3 army sets of cheap minis and a mountain of freebies on top.
My own real interest started when they added in the $110 goal with the ogres and werewolves.
SS - I know we're at the 11th hour, but is there any chance of you updating the first post with the values of the free extras extras (stuff in red) for the $100, $175 and $225+ levels?
I can figure it out myself for my own pledge, but it might be good to delineate just how much $ worth of stuff is now free with the different levels - especially if more people are hopping on board this weekend.
Just a quick question about the wound counters I am currently pledging for the General level but I believe it does not come with wound counters. How many are offered if I buy the add ons? And how many do you actually need when gaming?
^ There's 20 in a pack, which should be enough for a typical game using your 1000-point armies, although you might need a couple of packs for larger games, or if you want to place counters for both armies.
@scipio: Done!
$100 pledge has $210 worth of stuff.
$175 pledge has up to $578 worth of stuff.
$225 pledge has up to $738 worth of stuff.
The more I look at it, the more I think I'm going to pick the $125 deal so I can get 2 small armies (Orc and Undead), then use the next $100 to get the other 2 small army deals in the bonus section (Elf and Dwarf).
That should give me 4 roughly equal armies of Orcs, Elves, Dwarves, and Undead with the ability to use all the sweet extras at the $225 among all 4 armies.
Trying to maximize my entry into Manitc and I've drawn my brother in as well. I know he's at $225 and is thinking the same thing I am. 4 armies, lots of mix/match battles.
I'm a bit on the fence here still. Deal is really awesome but have a few questions
Are there any pictures of the undead Mummies? I can't seem to find any. Are they normal infantry sized or are they larger so you could use them as counts as Ukshabti for tomb kings or something?
Just to make sure I have my understanding right of how this works.
Say I pledge a total of $225
for
$175 1000 pt undead army
+25 for 10 celestian nuns x2 ( would actually get 20 because of buy one get one free?) want these for death cult assasins conversions.
+25 for 3 werewolves x 2 (would get 6 of these for the buy one get one free) these might make good thunderwolf counts as or vargulfs.
Then I would get all the free goodies for both $175 and $225 levels?
When exactly is all this delivered? It says Sept 2012 next to the $175 pledge but some of this stuff isn't even made yet and it says 2013 for some stuff I'm confused
No pictures of the mummies yet, but they will be infantry-sized, and match the style of the Mantic Undead.
You have everything right except for the fact that you would get all of the freebies listed at the $225 level, not all the freebies listed at both the $175 and $225 level (e.g. you wouldn't get 2 of each new unit, just the one).
Orders will be shipped in 2 parts, the first will include your rulebook and army and ship before September 2012, the second part with your werewolves, nuns, and all of the new freebies will ship in 2013 when all the new miniatures and freebies have been produced.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was thinking the other day - at this rate, if they're going to send out all the newly-sculpted figures at once, they may well find it tough to get them all produced by Q2 next year. I foresee a lot of forum rage of the "WTF? Where my figures at???" variety..
Mantic is not in the habit of missing shipping dates, or promising what it can't deliver.
In fact, they've hinted that Q2 2013 is likely to be a "safe overestimate" of a few months to make sure they can handle it. So far, Mantic has managed to produce 3 resin plastic kits per month, pretty reliably (Corporation one month, Veer-myn the next, both with only a single sculptor working on the entire of both ranges), so these 15 kits could easily end up being completed by Q1 next year if they keep up their usual pace. Bob Naismith is employed full-time to sculpt for KoW, so he'll be cracking on with this for the rest of this year, probably with a freelancer or two to help out.
Odds are, the Kickstarter crowd will get advance copies of the miniatures, a few months before some of the last ones to get sculpted get put out for sale to the public.
Sounds good. I've just started to get concerned as the amount of stuff has really piled on so much in the last couple of weeks. Especially as I'm sure none of us would prefer them to rush at the expense of quality, either.
About $35.000 in the last 24H; over 42H to go. it's picking up nicely, to say the least. At this pace, with the (hopefully substantial) usual last-minute pledge drive they'll have to come up with two or 3 more $25.000 stretch goals; it's likely going to go over $300.000. Nice!
Alpharius wrote:Given all the free stuff offered in this Kickstarter, I'm a bit surprised it isn't even higher than it already is.
I wonder why that is the case?
WFB not being all that popular?
The higher buy in required to get the truly massive free stuff deal?
Just the "Buy 1 get 1 free" deals alone should have had people pledging like crazy.
Maybe no actual models and only concept sketches is the problem?
Weird...
I reckon it's a combination of things:
Fantasy is less popular.
Mantic is still very small - lots of people still haven't heard of them.
They do not have a solid reputation for quality sculpts across the range yet. - (don't argue guys - it's true - and I say this as a supporter)
While this drive is huge here on Dakka - what about the other big forums? There's only about 3 posts on wargamer.au
A lot of people still have a "Go GW or Go Home!" mentality.
Lots of people are more focused with their purchases. A big bag of mixed swag doesn't hold much for them - they just want stuff for their X army. (I'm the opposite)
Let's not forget though - they're doing amazingly well for a $5k target.
I have to agree with Scipio. I like the idea of the miniatures but honestly I'm having trouble commiting because I'm not a fan of a single one their fantasy ranges at the moment. If I do throw in it'll be for a fair amount of the "Celestial Army" and I'll be shooting in the dark.
I just find almost all their models weirdly proportioned (i.e. dwarves, elves, and orcs) though the gobbos are very nice.
Now when they eventually kickstart Warpath you can bet you butt I'm gonna be deeply committing to that as I mostly like the not-squats and not-space skaven.
The Goblins are really nice and I would go with them, but I don't think I can get over the fact that they missed out on the plastic conversion that the Palace Guard and the Infernal Guard got. Metal arms in 2012 just doesn't make sense.
The $225 deal you get isn't that much better than the mega army set you can order on the website, also.
MasterSlowPoke wrote:The Goblins are really nice and I would go with them, but I don't think I can get over the fact that they missed out on the plastic conversion that the Palace Guard and the Infernal Guard got. Metal arms in 2012 just doesn't make sense.
The $225 deal you get isn't that much better than the mega army set you can order on the website, also.
I believe it's been stated before, the mega army deal on the website does not include the hardbound rulebook, dice, vampiress and orc wizard. Also, does not include all the free models you get from the stretch goals which should be close to 50 models already plus the battlewagon/chariot thing. Also, does not give you access to the BOGO on new models. And that only counts the models. If we were to include the advanced copies in electronic format of the new rulebook and supplement, you get so much more. So, it actually IS better than the mega army deal on the website.
^ Yeah, as stated in the first post (which I've been updating for the past month), you get $738 of stuff for $225 if you buy that goblin army.
70% discount.
Metal arms are a little bit of a pain, but aren't quite as horrible as people might think. I have units of hybrid empire handgunners from over a decade ago which stuck together with superglue and not one of them has broken since. It's mainly an issue if the parts don't fit well, or are top-heavy like on the horrible old marine devastators.
No harm in waiting for plastic for them though, the archers are all-plastic at least, so it might be worth grabbing a unit of them and seeing if you like them, then wait to see if the spears and rabble get a sprue (its probably just a matter of time).
scipio.au wrote:Let's not forget though - they're doing amazingly well for a $5k target.
Can I get a f king Amen brother! surplus of $229K that is amazing for concept pictures!
Why did they limit the higher donation slots though? I want to be warmaster.
I think the $5K was just a test, and possibly a guage to see how popular their online presence was.
As for the limited slots, this baffled me too. I understand not having an infinite number of unique warlords, but I'd think 7-10 wouldn't be unreasonable for the highest donor level, with possibly 15-20 for the next-highest. Frankly, opening more of those slots I suspect could easily net them another $50K within 12-24 hours.
MasterSlowPoke wrote:The Goblins are really nice and I would go with them, but I don't think I can get over the fact that they missed out on the plastic conversion that the Palace Guard and the Infernal Guard got. Metal arms in 2012 just doesn't make sense. .
This sums up my feelings well. They may not be as terrible as I think they would be - I'm sure they aren't in fact. I just ... don't wanna. There's something just intangibly very unappealing about it. I honestly hope that after the 250k stretch goal we can move back to try for a few more $10k stretches of de-metaling kits. Starting with the goblins, then moving onto more of the abyssal dwarf range. (Honestly, having only one of their kits done is kinda pointless - as having an army that's 4/5ths hybrid metals isn't a whole lot better than one that's purely hybrid-metal). Two elf kits and one Abyssal isn't enough!
ÆΞØИ wrote:
Why did they limit the higher donation slots though? I want to be warmaster.
What - you can shell out 5 grand for one figure in your likeness, but not 8 grand for two? Tightwad
scipio.au wrote:
While this drive is huge here on Dakka - what about the other big forums? There's only about 3 posts on wargamer.au
Just out of interest, does the Mantic stuff on sale in Aus have the big mark-up like GW when compared to other territories?
In stores...you'd have to ask an Aussie....
Online, Mantic have no restrictions stopping people taking advantage of any currency conversion benefits that might be available through online retailers.
Sorry if this specific question has been asked before, but if my order is over $225 but doesn't contain a 1000pt elite army do i still receive the limited Ed. Vampiress and Orc wizard?
Pacific wrote:Just out of interest, does the Mantic stuff on sale in Aus have the big mark-up like GW when compared to other territories?
As an Aussie who lives a few 100km from the nearest gaming store, i can be of no assistance regarding the subject of store prices. However I did check the prices of Mantics products over on the CombatCompany website, and while there was a small markup in price it was nowhere near as severe as GW's.
Also, on the "amount" front - they are running at the same time as a very popular and highly detailed board game. Kickstarter is dominantly American, Dakka is dominantly American (hence the hype) and it's proven that sci-fi is popular in the states. People are having to divide their attention and interest between Sedition Wars and the McVey name and Kings of War. I think KOW is taking money off Sedition Wars at hte moment because they're offering a better deal. Didn't stop me pledging $100 to sedition wars, but I know I went higher on KOW to get the units of stuff!
I actually cancelled by Sediation Wars pledge as I wanted to give more to KoW. Will get a massive Orc and Goblin army, plus hopefully add to my Abyssal Dwarfs and get a start on a Human army!
Well, there's a even a thread on the work forums about the Mantic Kickstarter - that wasn't posted by me or one of my mates so I'd say that's a pretty big deal.
Although it's really been tempting, I've got to say that I'm one of those, 'waiting for a warpath kickstarter' people.
Alpharius wrote:Given all the free stuff offered in this Kickstarter, I'm a bit surprised it isn't even higher than it already is.
I wonder why that is the case?
WFB not being all that popular?
The higher buy in required to get the truly massive free stuff deal?
Just the "Buy 1 get 1 free" deals alone should have had people pledging like crazy.
Maybe no actual models and only concept sketches is the problem?
Weird...
I reckon it's a combination of things:
Fantasy is less popular.
Mantic is still very small - lots of people still haven't heard of them.
They do not have a solid reputation for quality sculpts across the range yet. - (don't argue guys - it's true - and I say this as a supporter)
While this drive is huge here on Dakka - what about the other big forums? There's only about 3 posts on wargamer.au
A lot of people still have a "Go GW or Go Home!" mentality.
Lots of people are more focused with their purchases. A big bag of mixed swag doesn't hold much for them - they just want stuff for their X army. (I'm the opposite)
scipio.au wrote:
While this drive is huge here on Dakka - what about the other big forums? There's only about 3 posts on wargamer.au
Just out of interest, does the Mantic stuff on sale in Aus have the big mark-up like GW when compared to other territories?
I honestly have no idea. My closest game shop is a GW and has been for about 4-5 years. I rarely get to my old FLGS and have no idea what they stock or how much they charge these days. I imagine that it's about 25-50% more expensive than buying direct from overseas, as that seems to be the usual for other things (Fantasy Flight games, etc)
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Also, is wargamer.au a 'big' forum?
It's pretty substantial. Easily the biggest Aussie/NZ forum.
Comparatively:
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get a couple of the ogre units, you'll have an OK army before you know it.
have you considered either the goblin fleabag riders? those will be cool (and fine counts-as boarboys - probly too bulky for wolf riders).
and there's always the orcs 1player battle set or army or even the goblin army (those gobbos are cool!).
Kal-El wrote:I was looking for the werewolves but they did not have any in.
That's because they aren't out yet.
I would not expect to see them for at least 3-5 months at best too
One of the updates says we should expect the newly announced sculpts to hit the market in Q2 2013. I believe our OP has suggested they're hoping to be a few months early but no guarantees.
@thomaspolder: heh I have enough rank-and-file troops and 30+ goblin cavalry.
Can you double down on pay one, get one free? I could use a literal troll horde.
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warboss wrote:
kenshin620 wrote:
Dawnbringer wrote:
Kal-El wrote:I was looking for the werewolves but they did not have any in.
That's because they aren't out yet.
I would not expect to see them for at least 3-5 months at best too
One of the updates says we should expect the newly announced sculpts to hit the market in Q2 2013. I believe our OP has suggested they're hoping to be a few months early but no guarantees.
I understood it, that the last of the new units would be out then and there's going to be a steady stream of newly announced stuff released between now and then.
if I'm not mistaken, the rewards taken a few hours ago (finally!) bring the total number of heroes included in the $225 perks up to 8.
those of us with 2 $225 pledges are going to have a lot of heroes lying around in the bitzbox, haha
timetowaste85 wrote:If I'm just going for the buy one get one free sets, should I choose a pledge level or just 'no thanks I want to help the project'?
If you want rewards from a pledge level you choose a pledge level.
if you do not want rewards from a pledge level you choose the no rewards option.
The buy one get ones aren't a pledge level, so...hit the 'no thanks' then? First time on a kickstarter project. Wanna make sure I get the models I want.
kenshin620 wrote:But the latter 3 you put up are Warpath
xD indeed.
in that case.... I rather have Mantic fix some of the badly sculpted elves, or atleast remove them ( like the derp dragon riders).
Its adding to a stigma they can do with out.
Ended up dropping $235 on it-$110 level plus $125 towards the 2 for 1 deals. Now, my understanding is adding those two together gets me a bunch of extra stuff too for free? It's already an awesome deal, but it sounds like I get even more now?
LunaHound wrote:in that case.... I rather have Mantic fix some of the badly sculpted elves, or atleast remove them ( like the derp dragon riders).
Its adding to a stigma they can do with out.
That's actually a really good idea, but seems a bit odd for a singular Kickstarter goal (It might come across as "Hey guys, will you give us money to help fix something we screwed up?"). Rather, I'd hope that if they have leftover money from the kickstarter to apply it towards the resculpts.
LunaHound wrote:in that case.... I rather have Mantic fix some of the badly sculpted elves, or atleast remove them ( like the derp dragon riders).
Its adding to a stigma they can do with out.
That's actually a really good idea, but seems a bit odd for a singular Kickstarter goal (It might come across as "Hey guys, will you give us money to help fix something we screwed up?"). Rather, I'd hope that if they have leftover money from the kickstarter to apply it towards the resculpts.
They could have made plastic-Twilight-Kin-that-look-good one of the goals, and then redone the other elves later to fit with the new look.
scipio.au wrote:Actually - here's something I would like clarified, if someone knows for sure:
"the Undead Vampiress from the cover art for the book" - she is - one of (the) hero model(s) created as a result of the Kickstarter - right?
Mantic Games, in a comment ~12H ago, wrote:RE: Vampiress - the wording "every hero created as a result of the kickstarter" was intended to mean the models created from the higher pledges. The Vampiress however was created as a result of the kickstarter and is a hero, so I guess technically she should be included.
I guess the thing is that the elves, like them or not are already tooled in plastic. They are concentrating on new stuff here, with the slight exception of turning a couple of existing hybrid kits into full plastic kits (or restic).
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thank you, Thomas. I thought she should be going by their wording, but it wasn't 100% clear - and nor was it for Mantic, it seems!
Heh, I don't think they intended her to be included either, but the wording kind of supported it and I think they just didn't want to err on the side of disappointing (potential) backers.
good for them though; it rather exemplifies their attitude towards their customers.
and god, I'd love TK to go plastic - and away from those elf models. they're not bad (armour painted NMM or just as leather armour particularly) but they're not what I'd call great either and they don't fit the idea of TK at all.
the moment that range goes plastic I'm in for an army of them. besides the two armies I'm buying via the kickstarter. my poor painting projects shelf, it's going to be so crowded
In the end I'm sure it'll work out the better for them. I may be able to convince my wife to go in for a pledge as well, and a nice looking female Vamp can only help that cause.
yes, they kinda do. Kickstarter surveys are very limited in what you can fill out.
so if you choose:
KOW Kickstarter wrote:Captain – Soldier + 1000 point Kings of War Army + Undead Vampiress and Orc Wizard
Then the survey will be something along the lines of Name, Address, What Army do you want (selection choice), did you add shipping costs if necessary?, and list what extras if any you wanted.
To add optional items just increase your pledge by the appropriate amount and we'll sort out the details after the Kickstarter ends by sending you a survey:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Alright, I'll be fair. It can be read both ways...
Automatically Appended Next Post: To be safe, I updated my pledge to your method.
Experience running a Kickstarter: how does it work?
If you want stuff from a pledge reward, choose that pledge reward. Don't click the $225 reward when you don't want an Elite Army and get upset later when its a big hassle to figure out what you really want.
Its a rather simple click that makes everything easier for both sides.
To be fair - I pledged all for BoGoFree models too - and it is a little disconcerting to plunk down $175 and choose the "No reward for me thanks, I just want to help" option.
I know it won't happen, but I'm still just a little afraid at the end of the kickstarter I'll get an email from Mantic saying "thanks so much for your generous support, as you requested, we're sending you nothing."
Just found another anomaly. - Abyssal Dwarf Immortal Guard.
From SS:
Kickstarter Bonus: Free Unit of 5 Abyssal Dwarf Immortal Guard ($12.50 RRP)
Mantic Update:
Every pledge of $175 will receive a unit of 5 models for free.
Statement read literally (and as SS has interpreted it in the updated OP) is that they will be in the $175 only. No mention of them being in the $225+ though I'm hoping this is an oversight.
However, ss it states here, the Immortal Guard should be included:
Pledges of $175 or more will receive:
- All of the above except you will receive:
3 Celestian Angels, 5 Celestian Battle Sisters, 5 Celestian Men-at-Arms, either 5 Elf Cavalry or 5 Twilight Kin Knights, 5 Immortal Guard, 5 Fleabag Riders, 5 Brock Riders, 3 Trolls, 5 Palace Guard, 5 Mummies and 5 Gargoyles instead of single figures.
- A unit of miniatures from every stretch goal we break in the future.
- A free limited edition Undead Standard Bearer
Pledges of $225 or more will receive:
- All of the above plus an additional unit of 3 Werewolves, a unit of 3 Ogres (either with Hand Weapons or Shooters) and both the Elf Cavalry and Twilight Kin Knights!
- one of each hero model created as a result of the Kickstarter - that's now at least five unique hero sculpts!
Schmapdi wrote:To be fair - I pledged all for BoGoFree models too - and it is a little disconcerting to plunk down $175 and choose the "No reward for me thanks, I just want to help" option.
I know it won't happen, but I'm still just a little afraid at the end of the kickstarter I'll get an email from Mantic saying "thanks so much for your generous support, as you requested, we're sending you nothing."
Technically, you should be pledging $1 + $175 for the models you want. The $1 is the entry fee donation as it were, and the $175 is for the models you want. And you need not worry about them sending you nothing, I am sure they know people who want the $1 option and then add more than that actually want some miniatures for their troubles.
My wife and I just pledged $225+ each. We just happened to be the ones who put it over the $275k mark and got the Golems for all of us. All hail me.
More seriously, It would have happened anyway of course.
But as I said earlier, there's no need to whine and moan about people not putting in on day 5. By putting in at the 11th hour, I put in double what I would have, and my wife wouldn't have pledged at all.
13 hours left. Will we see a $300k stretch goal? A bridge too far, methinks.
We will produce the Ogre Hero that has been the face of our project in plastic.
This is our final stretch goal, and one that brings us full circle to when we started with nothing but a simple plan and 3 sketches. Seems like an age ago!
The Ogre Hero means you can now build a complete Mantic Ogre army
Everyone who has pledged $100 or more will get a sprueless plastic Ogre hero included.
Everyone who has pledged $500 or more will get a modified limited Kickstarter edition version produced in high quality resin. You'll be in exclusive company with one of these.
Well, I'm spent out. $5k in 10 hours? Possible, but not a given.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I just wish they'd had something to show for the harpies. I skipped getting any BOGOFs, since they could either look rubbish or awesome - and fit in with my Chaos Daemons well - or not at all!
Got a quick and nice confirmation from the mantic:
question:
Hi.
Quick question about "Buy one, get one free"
Can I get same thing multiple times?
For example I'm interested in lot of trolls.
Can I pledge 100 bucks and get
4x (3+3 trolls) for total of 24 trolls?
Reply in 5 minutes:
Hi Adhuin,
You most certainly can Thanks,
Chris!
Just increased my pledge to $375 which will allow me to get two 1000pts armies(goblins, undead), plus two set of wound counters plus one of the extra units. I am thinking in getting some more ogres to increase the number of units or the celestian army units. Hopefully would this I will have a few more armies I can play at lower levels. Just a shame my wallet is crying out loud. Specially since I am pledging SW as well and trying to resist the last two $10 add ons.
27 trolls (3 from pledge level)
3 orc chariots (1 from pledge level)
6 werewolves
and rulebook (as splash to get over 175)
+ plus pledgelevel bonii miniatures for total of:
185$
You will hear me cursing from the other side of the world, when they are going to fail their stupidity tests multiple times in a row!
Oh heck - so whilst we have an emergency conference call on our end, please revel in your own awesomeness. You guys are beyond fantastic.
We'll be back with you before you know it!
Ok bastards just added another $25 to my pledge. At this point I think I might get enough units to start me an celestian army. Hmm now to decide which of the kits I will get towards this objective
Hi Dakka members, and Mactic kickstarter supporters.
I would like to contribute $500 USD to supporting this cause but am a bit confused about kickstarters.
Currently the $500 deal has this:
Commander – Soldier + 4x1000 point Kings of War Armies + Undead Vampiress and Orc Wizard
Would it be smarter for me to not get the $500 package and just pick and choose stuff using the buy one get one free deal that is available? I would like to really tailor and customize my purchase but am not sure if I'll miss out on any of the deals if I don't get the package instead.
You get the deals according to the value you pledge not the reward you select. So if you want to only get buy one get one free you will still get the rewards
^ You won't miss out on any deals, if you make your *total amount pledged* over the amount needed to trigger the freebies. For instance, say you picked the $35 pledge level for the rulenook, then added 19 boxes of special extras (whichever ones you want) for a total of $510, that will still get you every single free thing, including the exclusive resin ogre hero for $500+ backers.
That said, the $500 pledge is a really good deal, and keep in mind it is flexible, if you want 4000 points of one army, or 2 2000-point armies, you can do that.
If you want to add $50 per 1000-point army to have it as a goblin, twilight kin or abyssal dwarf army instead you can do that.
scarletsquig wrote:^ You won't miss out on any deals, if you make your *total amount pledged* over the amount needed to trigger the freebies. For instance, say you picked the $35 pledge level for the rulenook, then added 19 boxes of special extras (whichever ones you want) for a total of $510, that will still get you every single free thing, including the limited edition resin ogre hero.
That said, the $500 pledge is a really good deal, and keep in mind it is flexible, if you want 4000 points of one army, or 2 2000-point armies, you can do that.
If you want to add $50 per 1000-point army to have it as a goblin, twilight kin or abyssal dwarf army instead you can do that.
What armies do you want?
Honestly I'm a one army kind of guy, but my seven year old son is quickly getting interested in gaming because dad is always playing games with friends and enjoys painting a lot. What can I say, it's relaxing and helps me clear my mind before bed.
About a year ago, after the price increase GW slapped down in 2011, I was pretty bummed with GW and was thinking about going to Kings of War, but never committed to it. Since then though I've kept a close eye on the company, and have been trying to encourage my friends to give it a shot because it's so much cheaper than GW. Now a days, when we do play GW (40K or Fantasy) one of us will start griping about prices then it turns the whole swing of the night around.
If Mantic had every army available I would get humans. Since they don't and I want to be able to play against my son I honestly do not know what to do. If I had the option to pledge $500 now, and then could hold off committing on stuff until the Human army was released in 2013, I would.
I guess I need some help deciding. I'm sure a 2000 pt undead army would be good for my son. The good/bad theme would be a great starting point.
Cursain wrote:Hi Dakka members, and Mactic kickstarter supporters.
I would like to contribute $500 USD to supporting this cause but am a bit confused about kickstarters.
Currently the $500 deal has this:
Commander – Soldier + 4x1000 point Kings of War Armies + Undead Vampiress and Orc Wizard
Would it be smarter for me to not get the $500 package and just pick and choose stuff using the buy one get one free deal that is available? I would like to really tailor and customize my purchase but am not sure if I'll miss out on any of the deals if I don't get the package instead.
Thanks for all your help and guidance.
-Cursain
At the point that its at right now?
Theres like a whole list of buy one get one free deals. Sweet spot is looking at the 175$ level. but being a basic, 100.00 level, you get an army, and then theres the 300 that you get a couple of armies, with.
the list of $25, then the add on of get another unit or model free, is excellent.
@Cursain: How about you get both an Undead Army, and a Human army?
Pledge $275, to get a 2000-point Undead Army, then make up a 2000-point Human army by adding 9 buy-one-get-one-frees from the special extras?
For example (model count takes into account that all the boxes get doubled up):
- 3 boxes of Men-at-Arms. (60 models)
- 2 boxes of Celestial Sisters. (40 models)
- 2 boxes of Paladins. (40 models)
- 2 boxes of Paladin Angels. (12 models)
You'll be getting heroes for the human army as part of the free hero models, so that isn't a problem, and also you'll get an extra unit of each of the models. That will give you plenty of models that you should be able to make a 2000-point human army out of. (if not you can ally some of your free elves and dwarves, or add magic items to make up the total).
And of course, if the $315k goal is reached, you'll get some free knights and the ability to add some extra ones to your order, too.
To do this, all you need to do is pledge $500 total, and select the $275 reward level. That's all you need to do for now, Mantic will sort everything out with a survey after the kickstarter ends.
Also, you'll get your order shipped in 2 packages, the first will have the undead army and will ship within a couple of months, the second package will come in 2013 and contain everything else.
scarletsquig wrote:@Cursain: How about you get both an Undead Army, and a Human army?
Pledge $275, to get a 2000-point Undead Army, then make up a 2000-point Human army by adding 9 buy-one-get-one-frees from the special extras?
For example (model count takes into account that all the boxes get doubled up):
- 3 boxes of Men-at-Arms. (60 models)
- 2 boxes of Celestial Sisters. (40 models)
- 2 boxes of Paladins. (40 models)
- 2 boxes of Paladin Angels. (12 models)
You'll be getting heroes for the human army as part of the free hero models, so that isn't a problem, and also you'll get an extra unit of each of the models. That will give you plenty of models that you should be able to make a 2000-point human army out of. (if not you can ally some of your free elves and dwarves, or add magic items to make up the total).
And of course, if the $315k goal is reached, you'll get some free knights and the ability to add some extra ones to your order, too.
To do this, all you need to do is pledge $500 total, and select the $275 reward level. That's all you need to do for now, Mantic will sort everything out with a survey after the kickstarter ends.
Also, you'll get your order shipped in 2 packages, the first will have the undead army and will ship within a couple of months, the second package will come in 2013 and contain everything else.
I appreciate the help everyone.
I cancelled the original $500 pledge and then did what you recommended scarletsquig. I entered $500 at the top and then chose the 275 deal but then I wasn't asked which other packages I wanted. Will that become available when the kickstarter has expired? When will I be able to pick and choose the other items I want?
@Cursain: Yes, a kickstarter survey will be sent out a week or so after the kickstarter ends, this will allow you to choose which armies and special extras you want.
$35 pledge level for the Book, mini-rulebook and dice
$50 for 12 Werewolves
$25 for 6 Trolls
$25 for 6 Celestial Angels
$25 for 20 Celestine Sisters
$25 for 20 Celestine Men at Arms
$25 for 20 Celestine Paladins
$10 for Vampiress
$5 for Art book
Question: I am now at the $225 pledge amount. Does that mean I automatically get the Vampiress with the other heroes? If so I might change things around and get another unit of Celestine Sisters instead or something else.
This has gone nuts in the last few days, $40-$60k per day in the last 3 days.
Not quite as massive as what happened with zombicide, but still extremely impressive.
This has been been the 3rd most funded board/tabletop game on Kickstarter. Will be 4th place after SW finishes, but still - awesome!
Mantic did a really great job of fixing early errors with running this.. when it set up the "free units for everyone with each stretch goal" structure there was no stopping it!
I already subscribed to the $500 deal, if I want to add on for another 225 deal it looks like my total account changes? Do I just choose $725 total and mantic will know what I am doing?
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king Amen brother! surplus of $229K that is amazing for concept pictures!
