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The original topic interested me which is why I continue to read it. Then quickly it became a Tolkien hate-fest with little to do with the OP. If you want to discuss Tolkien, fine, but do it somewhere else. The thread's called "Has GW lost their mind?" not "Is Tolkien a good author?".

 azreal13 wrote:
Please be assured that your opinion means more to us than anything and we will cease immediately.

Or you could cease because the debate is horribly off-topic.

I have a friend who's been eying these models since we saw them in a local GW store. He's never shown any interest in 40k or Fantasy due to the price-tag, but likes these so much he's almost determined to buy a few of the boxes (specifically the over-priced 4 model box). So I guess as crazy as these new prices are, the IP is still bringing in customers so they can get away with it.

So that excuses your attempt to break the swear filter how?

The topic moved on quite naturally and has done so for numerous pages now, why would this thread spontaneously revert to topic when no other thread on this site ever does when it goes this far?

In all honestly it should have been locked long ago, but while the thread remains open and I'm involved in the discussion I will continue to post, in spite of your petulant little outburst.

Rule 2: Stay on Topic

After reading and posting at Dakka for awhile you may feel as though you have developed friendships with some, perhaps many, of the other posters and readers. This is probably one of the most rewarding parts of participating in a discussion area. It is only natural to occasionally want to share information with your friends that is "Off Topic" (i.e. not related to the subject matter of the forum you are in).

While it may at first seem harmless to post a bit about off topic (OT) subjects, it can become a slippery slope. If others join in on OT posts then soon everybody has sent the discussion threads on so many tangents that it is difficult to follow the original topic. Further, posting off topic essentially violates Rule #1. People come to Dakka looking for information related to the hobby. It is not polite to post off topic items frequently.

Perhaps you remind the mods of that, as some have been participating in this thread?

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Rule 2: Stay on Topic
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Please.

The Tolkein discussion grew out of a tangent, so we let that run, but I think it'd be best if people took any further such discussion to a new thread.

Thank you.

I would love to see Reaper, Mantic or AoW release an "Adventuring Fellowship" set with a halfling and a bunch of dwarves who happen to look like hobos. Then I want to see them price it at about 1/3 the price of the GW set. That would make my day.

coughcough*hint-hint*cough

They might burn themselves though given that there's more lawyer-power behind that with NLC compared to your regular GW lawyers that hassle forums.

Then call the halfling a "Kinder" and name the Dwarves after the characters from Markus Heitz's Dwarves series. I hear German IP law is GW's Kryptonite...

Seriously, though, there are already tons of generic halflings, dwarves, gnomes, orcs and everything else. How could a boxed set of them change things?

 Sigvatr wrote:
They might burn themselves though given that there's more lawyer-power behind that with NLC compared to your regular GW lawyers that hassle forums.

Just pretend that they're the start of your new 22mm scale line of human warriors.

Great idea! From now on I will use my 15mm German officer as a Hobbit. "Herr Baggenzie, your presence is required on zis adventure. Zis is nein a request!"

Thankfully, I have a diverse enough collection of dwarfs from GW, GW (LOTR, already wearing cloaks!), Mantic (metal and plastic are two different species!), AoW (Berserkers already look like hobos!), Reaper (motley!), and EM-4 (generic!).

Went to the store tasty. Original shipment of hobbit stuff stillon the shelf and no one asking for it. However, there were request to order all alifaux stuff coming out in january and a lot of specific GW orders, non hobbit related.

yeah don't think this will be as big as LOTR, for one the 3 lotr original starter sets all were like 75 dollars each (even the mines of moria one didn't go above 100, least when lotr was still played, probably shot up by the end, not that I ever looked)
this one is more then double that, 150 dollars is a fair chunk of change, especially for lord of the rings, the least popular game and one that goes away after the movies stop
hey I'd love to see a silmallarion (sp?) bunch of models... but who knows if that will ever happen
or maybe some of tolkien's other stuff like the father christmas letters lol

I don't think the hobbit movies are as big of a deal in the cinema or the Lord of the Rings communities as the original Lord of the Rings trilogy was. For this reason I don't see a hobbit "bubble" forming nearly as big as the LOTR one was.

orkybenji wrote:
I don't think the hobbit movies are as big of a deal in the cinema or the Lord of the Rings communities as the original Lord of the Rings trilogy was. For this reason I don't see a hobbit "bubble" forming nearly as big as the LOTR one was.

the hobbit did have a lot less to it and wasn't nearly as grand as lotr
if the prices for the hobbit were like the ones at lotr's time, then i think it would be doing well, since that was always lotr's appeal- good prices, low model count, you could have lots of armies and not feel wholly bad and get them painted in a decent amount of time
that and it was lord of the rings, fluff GW could not touch, no matter how hard they wanted to
no mat ward there

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I would love to see Reaper, Mantic or AoW release an "Adventuring Fellowship" set with a halfling and a bunch of dwarves who happen to look like hobos. Then I want to see them price it at about 1/3 the price of the GW set. That would make my day.

coughcough*hint-hint*cough

Mantic is trying to do its own thing, and moving forward with its own lines and aesthetic style, as you well know.

And it may sound silly, but I actually do want the figure case. However, I was told that my local FLGS store had two coming, but he has not received them (so I did not get one online.) Does anyone have a store that has one of those?

 Pacific wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I would love to see Reaper, Mantic or AoW release an "Adventuring Fellowship" set with a halfling and a bunch of dwarves who happen to look like hobos. Then I want to see them price it at about 1/3 the price of the GW set. That would make my day.

coughcough*hint-hint*cough

Mantic is trying to do its own thing, and moving forward with its own lines and aesthetic style, as you well know.

Yes, I am glad to see Mantic forging their own path, even if I don't love every creative decision they make these days. At least they've figured out that they need to have a draw besides "budget wargame", although I think it's important they keep some cheap troops for the easy not-GW sales.

Still, Reaper is definitely the kind of company that revels in "The Gobbit: There and Here Again"-style sales. They have a lot of great, unique stuff, but they are also firmly established as the Walgreens generic brand of gaming miniatures.

And AoW needs to do anything they can just to get customer good will indiegogo fallout damage control noticed again.

It's all about the price and, to me, the models. I'd even consider buying the starter if it was 75$ as I absolutely love LOTR but at 150$...no thanks!

Furthermore, the goblins look terrible and are, to me, far inferior to the old Moria goblins.

Back to playing Guardians of Middle-Earth!

I have to say, after seeing the movie, I now want some of the models. I am giving them a second look for what may be fun to paint.

I enjoyed the trolls and may get those models if they look good in person.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I would love to see Reaper, Mantic or AoW release an "Adventuring Fellowship" set with a halfling and a bunch of dwarves who happen to look like hobos.

Still, Reaper is definitely the kind of company that revels in "The Gobbit: There and Here Again"-style sales. They have a lot of great, unique stuff, but they are also firmly established as the Walgreens generic brand of gaming miniatures.

If you look into reaper's catalog, I think you'll already find appropriate miniatures for all, or nearly all your tolkien needs. In fact they probably had them long before GW entered the LOTR arena.

A bit unfair to call them the "Walgreens" brand though. Sure they are as ubiquitous as Walgreens, but they certainly have a higher reputation for quality. They hire the best sculptors and have some of the best sculpts out there. The only reason some of their sculpts get slagged a bit is that you can still order even their oldest sculpts from a catalog stretching back two decades!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Still, Reaper is definitely the kind of company that revels in "The Gobbit: There and Here Again"-style sales. They have a lot of great, unique stuff, but they are also firmly established as the Walgreens generic brand of gaming miniatures.

That's not really a bad thing though. Having a miniature company that makes "generic everything" is good for everyone.

Guys, I love Reaper. I just meant they have exactly what you're looking for, but without the brand name. Need a beholder? Try an eye beast. And so on.

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

orkybenji wrote:
I don't think the hobbit movies are as big of a deal in the cinema or the Lord of the Rings communities as the original Lord of the Rings trilogy was. For this reason I don't see a hobbit "bubble" forming nearly as big as the LOTR one was.

the hobbit did have a lot less to it and wasn't nearly as grand as lotr
if the prices for the hobbit were like the ones at lotr's time, then i think it would be doing well, since that was always lotr's appeal- good prices, low model count, you could have lots of armies and not feel wholly bad and get them painted in a decent amount of time
that and it was lord of the rings, fluff GW could not touch, no matter how hard they wanted to
no mat ward there

Mat Ward was the main writer on the original LotR games. Priestley or Alessio wrote the game design, but Ward did all the fluff, then stepped in to the rules somewhere around RotK, iirc. He was writer for the version they put out after the movies, and War of the Ring.

Also, the LotR box sets were $40 when introduced. Fantastic value then, and were still decent value when they crept up to $60.

yes but its still lord of the rings, there is a point where they can't go any more and make the universe insane
(yeah i know he wrote wotr, and it sucked)
lotr for the longest time was a fantastic buy, simple rules for beginners, it was the gateway game
now... they treat it like 40k and fantasy, when the models are much lesser in quality and you generally get less in a box
12 mordor orcs for 35 or so dollars?!
they were 22 dollars for 24 for the longest time

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
(yeah i know he wrote wotr, and it sucked)

WotR is an excellent game system. Some of the lists are a bit off, but what do you expect from a 1st edition? The mechanics of the game are far superior, IMO, to WHFB.

 Kaldor wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
(yeah i know he wrote wotr, and it sucked)

WotR is an excellent game system. Some of the lists are a bit off, but what do you expect from a 1st edition? The mechanics of the game are far superior, IMO, to WHFB.

Exalted as hard as I can. WotR has an amazing set of rules and is VASTLY superior to WHFB that is now a 90% luck dependant mess. WotR is easy to pick up, the 1st / 2nd generation models look awesome (the new ones aka the ones GW just thought of themselves suck) and it makes for short, but very enjoyable games.

Plus: getting an army is very cheap due to ebay pretty much being stuffed with cheap LOTR miniatures.

You do know that WotR is where alot of the hated rules in 8th edition came from, right?

I've just seen the movie.

Now I'm compelled to buy tons of Hunter Orcs, regardless of prices.

This is why GW makes money from this stuff - guys who have seen the movie will buy their stuff.




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Do you think they'll make the Dwarf Warriors as well? I'd buy a few of them as well

As we were walking out of Return of the King, I told my wife I wanted a FW war mammoth. Fortunately, that got shot down. This was also long before the mamuk was even on the horizon...

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:




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Do you think they'll make the Dwarf Warriors as well? I'd buy a few of them as well

The dwarves were very interesting designs in the movie, If they made models of them, I would also be interested in them.

12thRonin wrote:
You do know that WotR is where alot of the hated rules in 8th edition came from, right?

I am really rusty rules-wise, I only played until the actual WotR rules came out back when the game still was a very simple skirmish and picking Minas Tirith meant an auto-win.

War of the Ring and the SBG have pretty different rules. The SBG is a pretty good ruleset. War of the Ring is the opposite.

12thRonin wrote:
You do know that WotR is where alot of the hated rules in 8th edition came from, right?

yeah but it did fit in Wotr much more then fantasy, which was always about careful movement and whatnot
now it and 40k are so similar that I feel no point in playing 40k since I dislike the various colours of marines and broken mat ward armies

nkelsch wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:




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Do you think they'll make the Dwarf Warriors as well? I'd buy a few of them as well

The dwarves were very interesting designs in the movie, If they made models of them, I would also be interested in them.

There are pics of new dwarf warrior models in the back of the Hobbit rulebook.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
I've just seen the movie.

Now I'm compelled to buy tons of Hunter Orcs, regardless of prices.

This is why GW makes money from this stuff - guys who have seen the movie will buy their stuff.

I saw the movie today and loved it, it was better than I expected. Still won't buy the models though because I feel they're overpriced.

Wow! At first how was much on the side of the OP, but these models are huge! Not very detailed, but still!
Considering you get 3 of them, its not that bad of a price... but for a game a very few people will play?
Kind of a bad marketing shot on them... But hey, its GW: nice models, nice game and provides us with a wonderful hobby while praying satan and stealing from their grannys purses.
Not the first time, not the last if you ask me

Well, it seems someone is taking advantage of GW's arrogance.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Well, it seems someone is taking advantage of GW's arrogance.

Hahaha, great find. It simply shows how ridiculous the new prices are.

inb4 Testify saying GW's set of planks has a way higher quality, superior artsy design and even is too cheap anyway given its outstanding value!

How dare someone make wooden plank terrain and not charge the world for it!!!!!!!!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How dare someone make wooden plank terrain and not charge the world for it!!!!!!!!!

If GW should ever spot the balsa planks we made for our table, I'm expecting them to sue me right on the spot for copying their idea.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Well, it seems someone is taking advantage of GW's arrogance.

Angry Badger has nice affordable terrain. But everything is out of stock and his blog ends 2010. Anyone knows if he is still in business?

 Sigvatr wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How dare someone make wooden plank terrain and not charge the world for it!!!!!!!!!

If GW should ever spot the balsa planks we made for our table, I'm expecting them to sue me right on the spot for copying their idea.

Dear gods the base of Lord Chunky my Bloat Thrall looks like it was based on goblin town-its actually ment to be a pier over a marsh but...........

GW seem to place far too high a value on the quality of their plastics. A plastic Fellowship is £30 on their site, the same set as in the Moria game. They were great plastics in the starter game, but when you buy a separate release you expect better, like the original metal Fellowship, which was a lovely set and has some real quality for a LotR collector or gamer. The plastics are simply inferior, yet GW take them out the starter set and charge premium on them, now costing more than the original metals. It's just disappointing that they sell the inferior plastic fellowship in place of the metal one. Though if they priced the metal fellowship today in the manner they have the White Council then it would be nearly £100. That probably shows just how utterly absurd their pricing structure has become.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Well, it seems someone is taking advantage of GW's arrogance.

Angry Badger has nice affordable terrain. But everything is out of stock and his blog ends 2010. Anyone knows if he is still in business?

Actually, the blog is unrelated. I know the guy behind the company--he was at SoCal Smackdown--and he is just getting his website up and running.

He came up with the name at the convention, unaware that someone else had already used it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I would love to see Reaper, Mantic or AoW release an "Adventuring Fellowship" set with a halfling and a bunch of dwarves who happen to look like hobos. Then I want to see them price it at about 1/3 the price of the GW set. That would make my day.

coughcough*hint-hint*cough

Why not just get them from Mithril? They have been making LotR figures for 25 years or so, and have a good range to choose from.

http://www.mithril.ie/

Pretty sure Mithril isn't cheaper than GW

Edit: I stand corrected, you can get a boxed set of the Fellowship for 30 Euro. Gosh, GW really has gone the far side of reason.

I've been avoiding reading this thread or looking at the GW models until after I saw the movie (even though I know The Hobbit story, I wanted to see what they did fresh instead of looking at a lot of movie merchandise and comments online first).

Now I've seen the movie and looked at some of the models, yeah, the pricing is pretty bad, but they're also some pretty nice looking models, especially for plastics and really the prices aren't much worse than what I've come to expect from GW. There's certainly some miniatures in there that I wouldn't mind getting just for the sake of painting up and putting on display.


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 Dawnbringer wrote:
Pretty sure Mithril isn't cheaper than GW

Edit: I stand corrected, you can get a boxed set of the Fellowship for 30 Euro. Gosh, GW really has gone the far side of reason.

Depends where you live. In the US, the price difference isn't massive between Mithril and GW, GW in Europe is massively overpriced though. The mithril site is pretty hard to navigate, but the images I saw it doesn't look nearly as high quality as the GW stuff.