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Post by: spaceelf
WarOne wrote:Keep in mind that as Codices have crept forward, more and more has been piled on to add to what has already existed; armies before the end of 4th featured considerably less options than what started to come out at that time.
I look through my 2nd ed Eldar codex and see all kinds of options that do not exist in the current Eldar one.
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Post by: Goliath
spaceelf wrote: WarOne wrote:Keep in mind that as Codices have crept forward, more and more has been piled on to add to what has already existed; armies before the end of 4th featured considerably less options than what started to come out at that time.
I look through my 2nd ed Eldar codex and see all kinds of options that do not exist in the current Eldar one.
That's odd, because he was talking about codices that came out before the end of fourth edition (which ended in 2008) and your current Eldar codex was released in 2006, so the lack of options you're pointing out is before the period he was talking about.
The fact that you have loads of options is irrelevant, as he was talking about an increase in options that came about after the book you were talking about.
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Post by: spaceelf
Goliath wrote: spaceelf wrote: WarOne wrote:Keep in mind that as Codices have crept forward, more and more has been piled on to add to what has already existed; armies before the end of 4th featured considerably less options than what started to come out at that time.
I look through my 2nd ed Eldar codex and see all kinds of options that do not exist in the current Eldar one.
That's odd, because he was talking about codices that came out before the end of fourth edition (which ended in 2008) and your current Eldar codex was released in 2006, so the lack of options you're pointing out is before the period he was talking about.
The fact that you have loads of options is irrelevant, as he was talking about an increase in options that came about after the book you were talking about.
Correct me if I am wrong, the second edition Eldar codex was released before the end of 4th edition. It had more options than the current codex, thus there was no increase from 2nd ed to the current codex.
My real point is that GW sometimes takes a step backwards. I believe that the lack of a good number of new units in the Tau book is a big step back.
More on topic, it seems that Tau stock is starting to flow. However, it may be a bit late to help FLGS, as some customers may have purchased online or bought from GW.
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Post by: Davespil
RogueRegault wrote: azazel the cat wrote:spaceelf wrote:As is evident from ChocolateGork's reply, lots of vets are not particularly interested in the revised releases, as they already have the old models. Thus, the release looks like nothing more than a book and a couple of models. Even including the other models, it pales in comparison to Nids, Necrons, and Dark Eldar.
I'd just like to point out that prior to their most recent Codex, the Necrons entire army was as follows:
HQ
Necron Lord
Nightbringer
Deceiver
TROOPS
Warriors
ELITES
Pariahs
Immortals
Flayed Ones
FAST ATTACK
Wraiths
Destroyers
Scarabs
HEAVY SUPPORT
Heavy Destroyers
Tomb Spyder
Monolith
Also of note is the fact that other than a maximum of 100pts of expensive wargear on the Lord, there was zero wargear or customization with these units. So yes, the Necrons got a lot more new stuff in their codex than the Tau did. However, the Tau also had an entire army already, whereas the Necrons had about half the toys everyone else did.
The Tau had one more Troop, one more non- SC HQ, and one less Elite . If the Necron was half an army, the Tau were 3/5ths.
Tau also had a dedicated transport and more HQ chioces and not to mention several vehicles with weapon options and an additional HS choice. Tau had a good sized army where as the necrons army was smaller and mostly useless. And everything cost an arm and a leg. The Necrons needed more models released for them. As far as the Tau the new codex is a lot better (and a bit more complicated, which I like). It didn't need that many models released to make it a full up competative army. The Rip-tide, Razor Shark, new HQs, and Broadside variant are very happy editions to my Tau army. I also love the plastic pathfinders. The metal pathfinders with the rail rifle were such a pain.
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Post by: Adam LongWalker
More on topic, it seems that Tau stock is starting to flow. However, it may be a bit late to help FLGS, as some customers may have purchased online or bought from GW.
Ironic, is it not?
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Post by: dbsamurai
Damn, here I was hoping that the massive sales would finally tell GW to keep updating the damn codex instead of leaving us with a codex full of useless units (vespid, sky rays, sniper teams, shadowsun, kroot, ethereals leap to mind). Instead they're pulling a tabletop version of the anti-secondary games market thing microsoft and sony have been trying for years.
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Post by: cincydooley
Have you looked at the new codex? Half the gak you listed is now playable to very good.
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Post by: jonolikespie
dbsamurai wrote:Damn, here I was hoping that the massive sales would finally tell GW to keep updating the damn codex instead of leaving us with a codex full of useless units (vespid, sky rays, sniper teams, shadowsun, kroot, ethereals leap to mind). Instead they're pulling a tabletop version of the anti-secondary games market thing microsoft and sony have been trying for years.
But it seems quite clear now it wasn't massive sales, it was lack of stock. In the High Elf thread there is already a rumour that the HE stock will be in somewhat short supply too.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
It stands to reason if they are releasing codex/army books at twice the rate (or more) that they previously had that they might not be able to ramp up their production to match especially in the short term of the 'rush to buy' the new book creates
I suspect they will provide most stores with more than the minimum guaranteed, and they've put it in just to cover themselves in case they do have major stock issues
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Post by: cincydooley
My FLGS owner told me yesterday that, after talking to his GW Rep, there is apparently some sort of larger issue than the simple supply chain. The GW rep didn't go further into it, but it certainly made me curious.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I'm starting to see more Tau models this week in GW shops. GW Bowie Battle Bunker got a bunch of Tau Codex books plus 4 Riptides and 3 Broadsides this week. Another GW store in Maryland announced on Facebook that they had Broadsides and Riptides. Additionally, http://www.spikeybits.com/servlet/StoreFront has been able to fill some Tau mail orders again. However, it will still probably be a few weeks till one sees regular stocks of all Tau items on store shelves.
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Post by: cincydooley
BrassScorpion wrote:I'm starting to see more Tau models this week in GW shops. GW Bowie Battle Bunker got a bunch of Tau Codex books plus 4 Riptides and 3 Broadsides this week. Another GW store in Maryland announced on Facebook that they had Broadsides and Riptides. Additionally, http://www.spikeybits.com/servlet/StoreFront has been able to fill some Tau mail orders again. However, it will still probably be a few weeks till one sees regular stocks of all Tau items on store shelves.
Same here in Cincinnati.
What was more curious was the fact that some of the Finecast hero selections are now showing 6-7 week shipping time on GWs website. Did someone eff up all the moulds?
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Post by: dario
Has anyone had any luck with online retailers such as Miniature Market or Spikey Bits? As far as I know MM still has no idea when they'll supplied.
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Post by: YotsubaSnake
My FLGS in the US is finally getting their first shipment of Riptides this week (supposedly).
Thank goodness, because I've been dying to get that model together and play with it!
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Post by: BrassScorpion
dario wrote:Has anyone had any luck with online retailers such as Miniature Market or Spikey Bits? As far as I know MM still has no idea when they'll supplied.
Oh yeah, I have great luck with R. Baer's Spikey Bits. I have a shipment of some Tau stuff arriving tomorrow. http://www.spikeybits.com/servlet/StoreFront And if you're ever in the Richmond, VA area stop by Rob Baer's brick and mortar store, FTW Games, it's terrific. http://www.ftwgames.net/
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Post by: dario
His place isn't in downtown Richmond is it? I go there from time to time to see my brother.
I ordered a lot of Tau stuff from Miniature Market about two weeks ago and they still haven't received the new stock. I'm tempted to just cancel the preordered stuff and order from some place else but ultimately I don't want to make them lose money because of GW's incompetence.
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Post by: NecronLord3
I'm even more convinced that this "shortage" crap is an intentional attack on discount retailers. GW stores aren't having trouble in the area stocking Tau but MM, can't get a resupply.
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Post by: dario
I agree. I'll just have to keep supporting them until GW runs them out of the market.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
His place isn't in downtown Richmond is it?
It's in Midlothian.
FTW Games
13176 Midlothian Turnpike
Midlothian, VA 23113
(804) 464-1873
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Post by: Pyronick
I was contacted by my EBay supplier and he was informed that he would not be receiving the Tau Commander kits. Apparently they were all so screwed up from a bad mold that GW has recalled the model. There won't be any on the market till a new batch is made and sent out. My farsighted however is finally in stock.
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Post by: NecronLord3
I saw someone purchase the commander model and it appeared fine to me. Still not sure why GW didn't go the plastic route with those two kits though. Seems really impractical to have those cast in resin, I know I will never purchase one.
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Post by: Kanluwen
NecronLord3 wrote:I'm even more convinced that this "shortage" crap is an intentional attack on discount retailers. GW stores aren't having trouble in the area stocking Tau but MM, can't get a resupply.
That might be the case in your area, but it certainly isn't the case in mine. The local GW has only had a grand total of four Riptides pass through; and one of those was a website order that got shipped to the local store for pick-up.
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Post by: alexneufeld
Pyronick wrote:I was contacted by my EBay supplier and he was informed that he would not be receiving the Tau Commander kits. Apparently they were all so screwed up from a bad mold that GW has recalled the model. There won't be any on the market till a new batch is made and sent out. My farsighted however is finally in stock.
This may well be the case as on the UK GW website it's the only model showing one to two weeks delivery, all the others including Farsight ad Longstrike are on 24 hours, and I ordered earlier today and they have been dispatched already.
Kanluwen wrote: NecronLord3 wrote:I'm even more convinced that this "shortage" crap is an intentional attack on discount retailers. GW stores aren't having trouble in the area stocking Tau but MM, can't get a resupply.
That might be the case in your area, but it certainly isn't the case in mine. The local GW has only had a grand total of four Riptides pass through; and one of those was a website order that got shipped to the local store for pick-up.
Agreed Kan, my UK GW where I get my stuff sent to, before out to Peru where I live, also had very few Riptides, Commanders etc, maybe 3 to 5 or each, and were struggling to get replacement stock.
Definitely a major production problem rather than trying to screw over independent retailers. If it happens again with the next major army, WFB or 40K I won't be so convinced though.
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Post by: spectreoneone
alexneufeld wrote:Pyronick wrote:I was contacted by my EBay supplier and he was informed that he would not be receiving the Tau Commander kits. Apparently they were all so screwed up from a bad mold that GW has recalled the model. There won't be any on the market till a new batch is made and sent out. My farsighted however is finally in stock.
This may well be the case as on the UK GW website it's the only model showing one to two weeks delivery, all the others including Farsight ad Longstrike are on 24 hours, and I ordered earlier today and they have been dispatched already.
Kanluwen wrote: NecronLord3 wrote:I'm even more convinced that this "shortage" crap is an intentional attack on discount retailers. GW stores aren't having trouble in the area stocking Tau but MM, can't get a resupply.
That might be the case in your area, but it certainly isn't the case in mine. The local GW has only had a grand total of four Riptides pass through; and one of those was a website order that got shipped to the local store for pick-up.
Agreed Kan, my UK GW where I get my stuff sent to, before out to Peru where I live, also had very few Riptides, Commanders etc, maybe 3 to 5 or each, and were struggling to get replacement stock.
Definitely a major production problem rather than trying to screw over independent retailers. If it happens again with the next major army, WFB or 40K I won't be so convinced though.
Interestingly enough, I made an order from GW's website on Monday for Darkstrider and a Commander (as both showed "Ships within 24 hours"), and got an e-mail on Wednesday saying that my order was on hold because of backorder. It wasn't the Commander, but Darkstrider that had the backorder...
The US website still has the Commander available, but now has Darkstrider slated for 2-3 weeks, but the customer service rep stated that May 6th is expected availability date. All sorts of screwy with GW, it seems, and from the sounds of it, definitely not what GW planned.
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Post by: mikhaila
I usually place an initial order for product mondays, and then on wednesday add to it based on last minute buzz and additional pre-orders. I ended up getting all of my monday order, and last week most of my wednesday order came in from the restock the warehouse got. Not all of it, as I'm still out of all the finecast.
But i did get in a good supply of broadsides, riptides, the flyer, and pathfinders. Codices have not gone out of stock.
I've been asked for my numbers on High Elves, and told that they may have to allocate. I don't expect there to be the same heat on High Elves as there was on Tau. But Eldar will be a problem, i am thinking.
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Post by: DAWARBOSS
I thought people boycotting GW because of prices.
I mean Its one of the most expensive releases and they sold out completley...
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Post by: spectreoneone
mikhaila wrote:I usually place an initial order for product mondays, and then on wednesday add to it based on last minute buzz and additional pre-orders. I ended up getting all of my monday order, and last week most of my wednesday order came in from the restock the warehouse got. Not all of it, as I'm still out of all the finecast.
But i did get in a good supply of broadsides, riptides, the flyer, and pathfinders. Codices have not gone out of stock.
I've been asked for my numbers on High Elves, and told that they may have to allocate. I don't expect there to be the same heat on High Elves as there was on Tau. But Eldar will be a problem, i am thinking.
I'm not all too familiar with WHFB, but I wouldn't expect High Elves to be as popular, either. From my (limited) experience, it seems that 1: Fantasy is not quite as popular as 40k, and 2: It was somewhere around 7 years since Tau had been updated... GW simply screwed the pooch on this one, whether it be because of underestimating the demand or genuine manufacturing and/or supply line failures, or a bit of both.
DAWARBOSS wrote:I thought people boycotting GW because of prices.
I mean Its one of the most expensive releases and they sold out completley...
As I mentioned above, a combination of old codex and GW screwing up caused this. Never mind that considering that a good majority of the 40k fan base gets the "Oooh, shinies," and snatches things up like a rabid crack addict finding their next fix whenever GW releases a new product.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
DAWARBOSS wrote:I thought people boycotting GW because of prices. I mean Its one of the most expensive releases and they sold out completley...
They not only sold out of all the newest items for weeks, they also sold out of all the stocks of previously existing models like Firewarriors, Stealth Suits, etc. The $85 US price point did not seem a hindrance to selling out of Riptides at all, people can't get enough of them. There are still no Firewarriors at my local GW Bowie Battle Bunker.
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Post by: NecronLord3
Yeah, GW just happens to sell out of an existing box set that hasn't been updated in over 6 years? So will the Riptides be available by 2019, as there appears to be a 6 year lead time on these Tau kits?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Are you sure that you will get the Finecast? Because officially it is now mail order only, after the first run sold out.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Spikey Bits comes through for me again, I just got a nice little pile of brand new Tau models in the mail today: Broadsides, Riptides, Pathfinders and a Sunshark Bomber. If you're having trouble finding Tau models elsewhere, try this:
http://www.spikeybits.com/servlet/StoreFront
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Post by: stanman
I ordered mine before the release and I'm still waiting on them to come in
Everybody else has theirs already because they bought them at GW.
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Post by: Sidstyler
stanman wrote:Everybody else has theirs already because they bought them at GW.
Just as planned.
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Post by: cincydooley
Got my second riptide and a broadside from my LGS today. Woot.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
The Games Workshop Bowie Battle Bunker just got a bit of restock of Firewarriors, Riptides, Pathfinders and Crisis Suits. They also have Tau Codex books. If you're in the area you might want to stop by and snag what you want before it's gone again. GW Bowie 6820 Racetrack Road Bowie, MD https://www.facebook.com/GWBowie
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Post by: SickSix
My FLGS has only 3 bomber boxes and one fireblade. That's it! They didn't even have any troops on the wall when I finally went by to grab a dex.
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Post by: stanman
The Games Workshop Bowie Battle Bunker just got a bit of restock of Firewarriors, Riptides, Pathfinders and Crisis Suits. They also have Tau Codex books.
Brass Scorpion I think you are kind of missing the point, the problem is that the LGS retailers don't have any. I don't play at GW (they also don't have space in their one man shop). I play at a LGS and I want to support them with my money but it really sucks when all the other people are buying the models across town at GW then coming into the LGS and using the models there. The owner has been polite about it but I know he's very frustrated as each one of those models represents a batch of lost sales.
Its close to 3 weeks since release date and he hasn't been able to get any of the new Tau units in store, yet there's at least a half dozen players that have entirely new armies. He doesn't want to ban the players but when they are playing instore its an obvious loss of several grand and it has to be gnawing at him. I really want to help support where I play but the delay is very unfair when the nearby GW has gotten at least 3 seperate restocks.
I'm honestly looking at cancelling my order and using that money for other gaming stuff, I've been eyeing some pathfinder rpg books for a while.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Brass Scorpion I think you are kind of missing the point, the problem is that the LGS retailers don't have any.
No, you missed the point. I was simply alerting people in my area to the fact that there were new Tau models once again available at a local store and I believe I was successful at doing that. There are quite a few people in my area with Dakkadakka accounts. And by the way, though some of the Tau stuff was sold today, GW Bowie, MD still had a couple Riptides and some other Tau models at the end of the day today. Store hours on Sunday are noon to 6 PM.
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Post by: whoadirty
I finally got my hands on a couple of the new Broadsides. The instruction booklet looks like a photocopy. If they are rushing things through production so fast fast right that they are photocopying stuff, their whole line about protecting their brand image just went out the window IMO.
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Post by: weeble1000
stanman wrote: I'm honestly looking at cancelling my order and using that money for other gaming stuff, I've been eyeing some pathfinder rpg books for a while.
If you do, please tell GW about it. GW would deserve to know why you decided to do this, if you did, and more customer feedback is better than less.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
If you're in Maryland and need more Tau the GW Bowie Battle Bunker just got in Tau Battleforces today! They also still had Crisis Suits, a Riptide and a Broadside when I was there yesterday. GW Bowie 6820 Racetrack Road Bowie, MD https://www.facebook.com/GWBowie
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Post by: MajorStoffer
I can't help but wonder if the ongoing logistical issues might be in some way related to GW's reduced production capacity.
They're stagnant economic performance, but rising prices indicated for some time that sales were declining. Memphis, as far as we know, was closed, as was all but their print production in China, and who knows if there's been some scaling back in England. It may well be that GW expected the continuing trend to hold, forgetting how popular Tau were back in the day, and simply lack the capacity now to produce enough of them. This ongoing demand will also, if production is the issue, impact future releases as they work through the backlog.
I hesitate to draw any conclusions off my own FLGS; they have some logistical issues of their own, and under-order almost everything, which means almost everything except marines is continuously out of stock, but I've heard rumblings that other products are becomming harder to actually get from GW. They seem to be getting most of their Tau (save codexes, haven't seen one in a while, but the piles of new Tau kits are constantly shifting in size week to week), but more run of the mill stuff isn't coming; they've been flat out told Manticores are no longer available to them, and when they order things like 3x Cadian boxes, or Fire Warriors or Necron Warriors, they get one of each.
I also know the single GW store in the province is pretty understocked as well; it's a big deal on their facebook page when they say they get a single riptide, amongst other things. It seems the GW logistical system is really reeling, and it's affecting more than just Tau.
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Post by: UltraPrime
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