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Post by: plastictrees
So is Defiance Games officially a plague on the gaming industry now?
You don't like to wish a small compan, in a niche industry that you love, to fail but they really need to smothered with a pillow.
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Post by: JoshInJapan
Well, that's ugly. I didn't really expect to see anything out of this project, but taking money from other projects is truly shameful.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Oh it is, I was just wondering if you were keeping on top of it or not. I don't want us to do extra work for nothing. BTW, here is their response:
An open letter to Alyssa Faden of Torn Armor.
Alyssa,
Did you really have to take so little responsibility and say that WE failed? After a nice paragraph in which you say you should take the blame, you write a long text blaming us. Wrong.
Basically, your figures were not produced because the digital files you provided do not work. Yet you try to shift responsibility for that to Defiance. Defiance DID NOT create the digital files. It was never our responsibility to do that. You should admit that, but you do not.
This is your project -- the only person responsible for the fact that Defiance never received workable files is ultimately you, Alyssa. The buck stops with you when it comes to Torn.
After the original files proved unworkable, the vendor you hired to fix them did not provide results which could be manufactured (Did you really want us to try and make a 20 mm resin figure in 5 parts???). Nothing that happened at Defiance, the 'changing of the guard' or the 'turbulent times' changes that.
You claim to have patience. Well, you are now choosing (it is a choice on your part) to close your project. Ultimately, this might still be a fixable problem. We have suggested possible solutions. You have decided not to do that. That is your decision and your responsibility. Do not blame anyone else for it.
I am really disappointed in you.
John Morse
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Post by: RiTides
Probably best to focus most of the discussion in one place for this, it's being discussed in N&R:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/575288.page
Meanwhile, who knows if Defiance's own project will ever move forward... I highly, highly doubt it.
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Post by: warboss
I was doing my biweekly check of troubled kickstarters and realized that I hadn't seen an update for this one in a while. I checked the link on the OP and it does look like there are some important new details that have caused a delay as the hardsuits are now coming out in restic.
We apologize for the lack of updates! As you know we've been dealing with quite a bit in the background as we push this project forward.
As we mentioned last time, Kickstarter fulfillment is the complete focus of the company at this time. These new products will be the foundation on which we build out and launch more new products in the future.
We also made a decision with the Hardsuits and the German Mech that is changing the timeline. Originally we were just going to spin cast these in the same way as the Bugs, Chinese infantry, etc. But we realized the demand for these would be such - not just for the Kickstarter fulfillment but for long term as well - that it would make a lot of sense to have them injection molded.
The hard suits will be a restic style plastic - the material is very similar to what we are doing with the spin cast. The mechs - knock on wood if all goes well - will be high impact polystyrene (HIPS) and can be put together with plastic glue.
We did an extensive search and vetting of potential outsource manufacturing partners and chose a factory in China to work with. They have done quite a bit of work in the games industry and we've been impressed with their capabilities. Chinese New Year messed with our schedule a bit - that's a 3-4 week hiatus in China - but we are now back on track with them. We don't have a final date for the hard suits yet but we're working on that with them.
There are a lot of balls in the air and a lot is going on. We are taking it all slow and steady and day by day. We want to make sure we make the best product we possibly can. We will do our best to keep everyone up to speed as we go along. Thanks again for your support!
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Post by: paulson games
So despite Tony's rant about how the evil Chinese "stole" Wargames Factory out from under him he's willing to jump right back into partnering with companies in China? Maybe it'll be a good thing and he'll lose Defiance the Chinese as well, who will then turn around and make quality products with the designs, minus Tony's involvement of course.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I just hope the Chinese deliver on the kickstarter. Nah... on second thought, I don't really care, it's 25$.
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Post by: doc1234
In fairness that's how they're making the money from this. Enough people say "Meh it's only $25" and it'll pay them enough to keep having these little "accidents"
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Post by: Theophony
Any word on a kickstarter for their legal defense versus torn armor? Or has nothing come from that yet?
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Not a peep. And they'd be wise not to say a thing.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Mathieu Raymond wrote:I just hope the Chinese deliver on the kickstarter. Nah... on second thought, I don't really care, it's 25$.
Yeah, my $25 came out of my entertainment budget, and as far as I'm concerned it's still providing entertainment. I'm experiencing an emotional rollercoaster more effective than any Oscar-bait movie.
Now, if only my larger Torn Armor pledge didn't factor into this consideration, I'd be a lot happier.
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Post by: Da Big Mek
welp time for another supporter to ask if there was any updates at all? Someone mentioned getting a email from the pledge manager? I've gotten nothing of the sort.
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Post by: winnertakesall
Well, it looks like this turned out pretty poorly.
No updates for what? 8 months now?
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
6 months, but it's not like we'll get one in the next two months. The lawsuits are going to bleed them dry.
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Post by: Eilif
For those screwed by DG, it appears that in the last 3 weeks there has been a to make reports to the Mass. AG's office. Several folks have received contacts already and apparently there might be some sort of mediation in the works as there are apparently many complaints that have been filed with that office.. I don't know all the details, but all the info is in the Kickstarter comments page here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/defiancegames/28mm-power-armor-hardsuits-defiance-games/comments
It does look like this might be the best way to get some $ back. Best of luck to anyone who pledged.
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Post by: Barzam
Well, I filed mine. I'm glad I don't go as crazy on this as so many other people did. I would've liked to have actually had some of the figures, though. I guess those minis will never be. It'd be nice if the original design could take them to Wargames Factory or something and have them produce figures.
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Post by: Theophony
While I normally don't do Facebook I did. Little digging this morning and found the CEO of defiancegames.com on Facebook. John morse supposedly took over defiance as of jan 1, 2014 according to their website. It listed his school he graduated from and where he lived, also talked about previous work experience. After finding him his Facebook page, he doesn't list any former employers  wonder why? I wasn't going to friend request him to try and find any other people connected to defiance through him.
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Post by: WhiteLion
If any of y'all backed the kickstarter and want your money back, some people are already begun to file a complaints.
http://www.mass.gov/ago/consumer-resources/filing-a-complaint-with-the-attorney-generals.html
So far they seem to just be building the case against them. I'm glad I didn't support them myself, but I really wish the company didn't flop like this. I really like some of the designs and so looked forward to seeing all the wonderful things.
Oh a side note, if anyone wants to get rid of their models from defiance, I'm willing to buy some.
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Post by: legoburner
I heard a rumour this week from an anonymous source that defiance is dead and Tony is filing for bankruptcy. Not something I have time to investigate, but if anyone wants to look into it to see if there is any truth there, it would be appreciated.
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Post by: CptJake
legoburner wrote:I heard a rumour this week from an anonymous source that defiance is dead and Tony is filing for bankruptcy. Not something I have time to investigate, but if anyone wants to look into it to see if there is any truth there, it would be appreciated.
RiTides wrote:
What prompted this? Did one of the backers pursue legal action in Massachusetts, or is that just where Defiance is located?
Transcribed for folks:
Mazonson Law Office, P.C.
R.OUNRU.ORS AT LAW'
November 12, 2014
Via Fax to 617-727-3265 & First Class Mail
Nicholas Synowiec
Deputy Director - PIAC
Commonwealth of Massachusetts
Office of the Attorney General
One Ashburton Place
Boston, MA 02108
Re: Defiance Games, LLC Consumer Complaints
Dear Mr. Synowiec;
As you are aware, my office represents Anthony M. Reidy and Defiance Games,
LLC with respect to ongoing insolvency proceedings as regards Anthony M. Reidy,
personally, soon to be filed insolvency proceedings as regards Defiance Games, LLC,
and the winding down of the affairs of such corporate entity.
Pursuant to our various discussions as regards consumer complaints lodged with
your office. Defiance Games, LLC would like to take this opportunity to accept your
invitation to engage in mediation, insofar as it makes the offer of restitution found below.
As we have discussed, neither Bankruptcy should yield assets for distribution to
unsecured creditors as the entirety of any corporate assets consist mainly of a small
quantity of raw materials and a spin casting machine valued at less than $5,000.00. As
such, the company and Mr. Reidy make the offer found below as an effort at resolving
this matter amicably, while hoping to communicate the understanding that this is, indeed,
the entirety of what is available to be offered.
Defiance Games, LLC, by and through its principal, Anthony M. Reidy, hereby
offers to any "kickstarter" sponsor who did not receive the products associated with their
pledge as follows;
Defiance Games will provide 3D print-ready files to sponsors meeting the
eligibility criteria above. These files will be made available both via
Shapeways.com and also through direct download, allowing sponsors the option
to print with an alternative service or other home-based printing option of their
choice. For Shapeways printing, the files will be offered at Shapeways cost - i.e.
with no additional charges or profit margin added to the pricing. If backers
choose to print via other options they will have full control over the files to print
for personal use. Files and prints may not be resold or made available to the
general public outside of the "kickstarter" sponsor group.
Defiance Games, LLC will further make available to sponsors meeting the
eligibility criteria above the STL files for the "UAMC Hardsuits" set along with
the "German Mech" set. Finally, the STL files for the "UAMC JRAB" vehicle
and "Hudson's Bugs" will also be made available for production. These items
were not part of the "kickstarter," but are being offered as a good-faith offer of
additional restitutiGn. Defiance Games, LLC regrets that it cannot do more, but
hopes this olive branch will be well-received by its customer base to which the
Company is eternally grateful.
Please transmit the foregoing offer to any aggrieved parties and feel free to
contact me with any questions or concerns.
I appreciate your time and attention to this matter.
Very truly yours,
Evan P. Lowney, Esq.
(508) 689-4753 (direct)
Cc: Anthony M. Reidy
That's insane  but completely unsurprising, of course, given everything that was known about Defiance before, during, and after the Kickstarter.
from the other thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/390/558217.page
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Post by: legoburner
doh thanks!
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Post by: RiTides
Yeah, things look grim here. At least if the 3d files were offered to backers, there might be a chance of seeing something made somewhere/someday. Won't get people their money back, though... but honestly this is one case in which they should Definitely have known better, a quick google would have shown his sketchy past dealings, and it was discussed here and many other places while the campaign was running.
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