you can win prize money from pro tour , which is uncomperable to stuff one can win in GTs. If someone started necron or GK he had fun playing them for how long , one year and some. And god forbid someone gets a bad codex or the codex misses an updated . Then someone spends the same cash as everyone else , but gets to play something like Wood elfs or DA in 5th.
The cost of switching is lower. Starting with 2-3 ridtides and maybe one Wknight is comperable to playing LoL for years.
and the balance is better. In MTG the cash put in to cards can be easily return one just have to play pro tours and sell stuff in the middle of edition . My MtG lets me not only play it , but adds serious money to table top gaming.
Quientin wrote: Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Makumba wrote: you can win prize money from pro tour , which is uncomperable to stuff one can win in GTs. If someone started necron or GK he had fun playing them for how long , one year and some. And god forbid someone gets a bad codex or the codex misses an updated . Then someone spends the same cash as everyone else , but gets to play something like Wood elfs or DA in 5th.
The cost of switching is lower. Starting with 2-3 ridtides and maybe one Wknight is comperable to playing LoL for years.
and the balance is better. In MTG the cash put in to cards can be easily return one just have to play pro tours and sell stuff in the middle of edition . My MtG lets me not only play it , but adds serious money to table top gaming.
Not everyone plays Pro-Tour though. A large portion of players don't even do tournaments. The point wasn't what you could do with the cards, after all I can sell my minis just as easily as you can sell your cards, but rather that it uses an intentionally imbalanced system with a shifting meta. It doesn't matter how fast or slow it is because it's still the same kind of approach, there is just an easier time for some games to do it faster than others.
Makumba wrote: , but gets to play something like Wood elfs or DA in 5th
Gets to play wood elves?But don't they suck?And on MTG:don't you have to buy new cards every edition?A rogue trader space marine can still be used 30 years later.
Two weeks ish after the White Dwarf update came out for daemons, there was a local tournament. #1 spot was being fought between Grey Knights and Daemons (with the old codex still but the white dwarf update pamphlet). Grey Knights got beat hard. Bumped him down to 3rd place since he got no points whatsoever. He got so mad that he threw a chair against the wall screaming "WTF! Im Grey Knights I should win"!
Not so much a moment for me, but a moment I witnessed.
Today I saw two players set up for a 750 point game, CSM vs Black Templar. The CSM player was pretty new to the game, and I wound out helping him out some with rules. And his list was pretty basic.
Then on the Templar side...and remember this is for a 750 point game, his list was:
curran12 wrote: Not so much a moment for me, but a moment I witnessed.
Today I saw two players set up for a 750 point game, CSM vs Black Templar. The CSM player was pretty new to the game, and I wound out helping him out some with rules. And his list was pretty basic.
Then on the Templar side...and remember this is for a 750 point game, his list was:
Makumba wrote: , but gets to play something like Wood elfs or DA in 5th
Gets to play wood elves?But don't they suck?And on MTG:don't you have to buy new cards every edition?A rogue trader space marine can still be used 30 years later.
We can talk about it , if you play the game in 30 years and the army you bought is still top tier through those 30 years. I can play a deck through one block , sell the deck and either start another or start a table top army or something else
Not everyone plays Pro-Tour though. A large portion of players don't even do tournaments. The point wasn't what you could do with the cards, after all I can sell my minis just as easily as you can sell your cards, but rather that it uses an intentionally imbalanced system with a shifting meta. It doesn't matter how fast or slow it is because it's still the same kind of approach, there is just an easier time for some games to do it faster than others.
People that play the game here do , I don't think there are any that buy decks just to play against friends . That would be a waste of money . Or do you mean those people that buy random boosters or some starter decks and play with just that ? Those don't play tournaments , but the cash they invest in to the game is uncomperable to what w40k costs. Even if he buy 60 boosters[2 each month] and 6 starter decks it would be nothing compering to a w40k or WFB army.
Please tell me this is a joke or a misunderstanding on my behalf.
yeah forgot it is more local thing . The god right is what we call conservative parties . women are left ,because those that do vote do it for socialists. At least in the cities.
Makumba wrote: Well there is a small difference in buying a new LoL champion or power lvling a new class in wow , compering to being forced to either rebuild or abandon and buy a new army for w40k . Up till codex tau playin IG was fun , post tau and eldar , it doesn't even make sense , because nothing works against them . mecha doesn't , aegis blob builds don't , they kill flyers faster the IG can bring them on the board . So the only option is either to buy a tau/eldar army or buy demons , one can't just add a unit or two to make the army tick again . It clearly shows in tournament placments of IG or SW or BAs. they are at the bottom and if they were fixable through own codex or through ally people would be playing those options and placing higher .
i was goign to say something like this, but didn't, but now it's been mentioned...
when you have certain imbalances in certain directions, and the imbalances affect the entire race, not just one character, it's pretty difficult to alter your strategy. Take for instance that tyranids, shy of taking old FW rules and being able to find a harradin, don't actually have any fliers. not a huge deal, but then if you say, throw them against dark eldar, who can just zoom aroudn the map with impunity, peeing poison all over the monstrous creatures, well, it's going to be a little hard for the tyranids to stand a fair chance.
Imbalance is good, but not where it creates a clear disadvantage, especially one where you can't take any allies to cover the deficiencies.
curran12 wrote: Not so much a moment for me, but a moment I witnessed.
Today I saw two players set up for a 750 point game, CSM vs Black Templar. The CSM player was pretty new to the game, and I wound out helping him out some with rules. And his list was pretty basic.
Then on the Templar side...and remember this is for a 750 point game, his list was:
Fully agree + the time that passes between one patch another is nothing compering to let say a DE player waiting for 11 years for a new codex or Wood Elf player waiting for two editions or even a DA player waiting for a whole edition for a good dex , although one has to say that this time without Johnsons involvment their codex is nice.
Not everyone plays Pro-Tour though. A large portion of players don't even do tournaments. The point wasn't what you could do with the cards, after all I can sell my minis just as easily as you can sell your cards, but rather that it uses an intentionally imbalanced system with a shifting meta. It doesn't matter how fast or slow it is because it's still the same kind of approach, there is just an easier time for some games to do it faster than others.
People that play the game here do , I don't think there are any that buy decks just to play against friends . That would be a waste of money . Or do you mean those people that buy random boosters or some starter decks and play with just that ? Those don't play tournaments , but the cash they invest in to the game is uncomperable to what w40k costs. Even if he buy 60 boosters[2 each month] and 6 starter decks it would be nothing compering to a w40k or WFB army.
On the flip-side the models tend to have a longer lifespan without falling out of usage while MtG requires more constant upkeep in general.
It really is a wash on which is more expensive over the long run, and I never want to get into the context of which really is worse on your wallet, the point remains that both use a similiar design philosophy and have different rates at which that affects play due to their mediums.
And I played MtG casually with just my friends in high school. The 8th Ed Core Net Decks are what got me to stop playing (everyone was running Darksteel Colossus and Darksteel Forge, I was running a Myr deck).
Makumba wrote: Fully agree + the time that passes between one patch another is nothing compering to let say a DE player waiting for 11 years for a new codex or Wood Elf player waiting for two editions or even a DA player waiting for a whole edition for a good dex , although one has to say that this time without Johnsons involvment their codex is nice.
And some of us DA were crazy enough to start an army when it was bad.
Not everyone plays Pro-Tour though. A large portion of players don't even do tournaments. The point wasn't what you could do with the cards, after all I can sell my minis just as easily as you can sell your cards, but rather that it uses an intentionally imbalanced system with a shifting meta. It doesn't matter how fast or slow it is because it's still the same kind of approach, there is just an easier time for some games to do it faster than others.
People that play the game here do , I don't think there are any that buy decks just to play against friends . That would be a waste of money . Or do you mean those people that buy random boosters or some starter decks and play with just that ? Those don't play tournaments , but the cash they invest in to the game is uncomperable to what w40k costs. Even if he buy 60 boosters[2 each month] and 6 starter decks it would be nothing compering to a w40k or WFB army.
On the flip-side the models tend to have a longer lifespan without falling out of usage while MtG requires more constant upkeep in general.
It really is a wash on which is more expensive over the long run, and I never want to get into the context of which really is worse on your wallet, the point remains that both use a similiar design philosophy and have different rates at which that affects play due to their mediums.
And I played MtG casually with just my friends in high school. The 8th Ed Core Net Decks are what got me to stop playing (everyone was running Darksteel Colossus and Darksteel Forge, I was running a Myr deck).
i always love it when people try to bring the fluff into the rules of the game. The whole "Space marines are epic they cant lose!" is a big one. Wanna play that game? OK, every ork you kill explodes in a puff of spores and if you dont raze the planet with fire youre going to have MORE orks down your throat next turn.
Orks dont lose in the fluff, unless you eliminate the planet surface or use something almost as drastic (yet expensive). Orks dont have anything like that in the actual game because good grief that would be broken lol.
Thankfully *knock on wood* ive never had anyone rage and start throwing stuff. Worst ive seen was actually done by me, and it was kinda warrented since i literally went 4 turns of NOTHING but 1s and 2s on every dice i rolled, so i kinda got heated (but thankfully i didnt do anything to cause any damage and my friends knew im not normally like that lol). This included a turn 1 snake eyes roll on a SAGbtwlol.
On the flip-side the models tend to have a longer lifespan without falling out of usage while MtG requires more constant upkeep in general.
I don't know people that played crow or draigo wing or scarabs farms were left with a ton of models that may still be legal , but make a crappy list. And costs hit again , power rares cost the same every deck . They sometimes get errated in to death , but losing even 150$ in 4 cards is uncomperable to playing W40K where GW not only rises the points cap every edition , but also whole armies have to be redone . Even people who already have armies , still are forceced to buy 2-3 serpents 1-2knights or 2-3 riptides , 2-3 helldrakes.
Vineheart01 wrote: i always love it when people try to bring the fluff into the rules of the game. The whole "Space marines are epic they cant lose!" is a big one. Wanna play that game? OK, every ork you kill explodes in a puff of spores and if you dont raze the planet with fire youre going to have MORE orks down your throat next turn.
Orks dont lose in the fluff, unless you eliminate the planet surface or use something almost as drastic (yet expensive). Orks dont have anything like that in the actual game because good grief that would be broken lol.
Thankfully *knock on wood* ive never had anyone rage and start throwing stuff. Worst ive seen was actually done by me, and it was kinda warrented since i literally went 4 turns of NOTHING but 1s and 2s on every dice i rolled, so i kinda got heated (but thankfully i didnt do anything to cause any damage and my friends knew im not normally like that lol). This included a turn 1 snake eyes roll on a SAGbtwlol.
Actually Orks never lose. If they win, they win. If they "lose" they died fighting and it doesn't count.
Vineheart01 wrote: i always love it when people try to bring the fluff into the rules of the game. The whole "Space marines are epic they cant lose!" is a big one. Wanna play that game? OK, every ork you kill explodes in a puff of spores and if you dont raze the planet with fire youre going to have MORE orks down your throat next turn.
Orks dont lose in the fluff, unless you eliminate the planet surface or use something almost as drastic (yet expensive). Orks dont have anything like that in the actual game because good grief that would be broken lol.
Thankfully *knock on wood* ive never had anyone rage and start throwing stuff. Worst ive seen was actually done by me, and it was kinda warrented since i literally went 4 turns of NOTHING but 1s and 2s on every dice i rolled, so i kinda got heated (but thankfully i didnt do anything to cause any damage and my friends knew im not normally like that lol). This included a turn 1 snake eyes roll on a SAGbtwlol.
Actually Orks never lose. If they win, they win. If they "lose" they died fighting and it doesn't count.
And if they fall back they can allways come back for another go, so that doesn't count either.
Vineheart01 wrote: i always love it when people try to bring the fluff into the rules of the game. The whole "Space marines are epic they cant lose!" is a big one. Wanna play that game? OK, every ork you kill explodes in a puff of spores and if you dont raze the planet with fire youre going to have MORE orks down your throat next turn.
Orks dont lose in the fluff, unless you eliminate the planet surface or use something almost as drastic (yet expensive). Orks dont have anything like that in the actual game because good grief that would be broken lol.
Standard flamers work well, see Valhalla and that other planet in Cain book, Graia I think.
Back when I was in school we had plenty of newer players in the school club. The typical pre-teen who makes an army based on the coolest models and not on the actual army list. It was hard to explain the rules to them saying what they can and can't use without looking like a dick. I think the worst player I've had though was a year or so ago. He wasn't exactly immature, but he was just so annoying. I played one game with him and I vowed never to play afterwards.
It was 1.5K, my new CSM vs his Orks. I set up first, and seeing as he's got so many models to deploy I decide to go for a smoke, seeing as he's going to be a while, of which he says it's fine and starts unpacking his stuff. I return, there's a pile of Boys in the corner while he's buggered off to watch another game. After a bit of persuasion we eventualy get going but every 2-3 mins or so he would just get distracted and wander off, asking for input on rules discussions which had nothing to do at all with the game at hand, such as the "Black Mace and Smash" discussion. Useless since I wasn't using either a DP or the BM.
Had another guy recently. He seemed an ok chap, but after a couple of turns he turned out to be such a cocky git, with such an aloof personality. Since this was one of my first games in 6th, I was still getting to hand with some of the changes. A couple of minor things were asked like "So as it's my Initiative step, I now do a pile in move?", each one was met with an answer like "Duh, of course you do". The guy had taken a very competitive Necron list consisting of 3 Annihilation Barges, Zandrek, Obyron and a deathstar of 10 Sword/Board Lychguard/Royal Court unit. My list wasn't casual, but nowhere near as competitive as this guy. I eventually won, discovering afterwards that his overall tactic of using Obyron to teleport away holding the Relic was an illegal move. His overall personality was equally as annoying as his level of competitveness. Couple of weeks later he's boasting about the new Necron units in IA:12. I ask for a quick glance as the others in the group had, request was met with a rolling of the eyes and a "Well if you must..." style of response.
Vineheart01 wrote: i always love it when people try to bring the fluff into the rules of the game. The whole "Space marines are epic they cant lose!" is a big one. Wanna play that game? OK, every ork you kill explodes in a puff of spores and if you dont raze the planet with fire youre going to have MORE orks down your throat next turn.
Orks dont lose in the fluff, unless you eliminate the planet surface or use something almost as drastic (yet expensive). Orks dont have anything like that in the actual game because good grief that would be broken lol.
Standard flamers work well, see Valhalla and that other planet in Cain book, Graia I think.
No, the next batch of orks to be 'hatched' are just a bit more tanned....
Every once in a while I play the fluff version of my IG army that is mechanized veterans armed with shotguns with weapons teams with autocannons and heavy flamers. All in Chimeras of course. Not a great build, as autocannon fire pinks of of space marine armor.
Anwyas happend to being playing a day when this 20ish year old guy had just for the first time brought in his new nid army that be bought speifically because nids were supposed to be so invincible in the fluff. Well you can probably see where this is going.
My auto cannons and heavy flamers freaking ate him alive. He threw the biggest hissy fit in the world about how my army was so cheesy . He never did play me again.
Haven't played a really immature player in a long time, but I did recently play a bit of an immature dude recently.
Before we started he told me he swore off playing against my army, Chaos Daemons, because of the warp storm table. On the first turn the warp storm table killed 6 of his models across the board, nothing important though. On the 4th turn it killed 7 of my plaguebearers. The entire 4 turns of the game (I gave up) he complained about how I wiped out half his army, and my army was OP.
He was playing Eldar transport spam, and I threw in the towel because I was pretty much tabled. Post game comments?
"No offense to you, but you play a broken army, and I will never play against it again."
What the feth? Well here is hoping to meet him in a tournament and watch him refuse to play.
I recently played a guy who questioned whether my Space marines could fire rapid fire if they had moved normally into rapid fire range...
He then proceeded to dispute that pretty much anything I wanted to shoot with could see his units, arguing some of my own guys were in the way.
To top it all off he had a totally unpained army(which to my surprise I found quite annoying).
Eventually I just figured this aint worth it. Let this guy have his fun. At the end of turn 2 I got lucky and my phone got a text msg. I just said I had to go somewhere urgently and packed up.
To sum up. If it gets to a point where you are not enjoying playing with your opponent and you are still early in the game. Its probably only going to get more painful as the game wears on. Better to pull the plug and just bail out. Some people are just not worth it.
I keep reflecting back as I read the first page and a half or so...
The most immature player I've ever seen was in a tournament back in 3rd edition.
He was one of those people who would get good enough with an army to have an idea of what he was doing wrong, but instead of improving his gameplay, thought a new army would help more. He was on his 3rd army at this point - likely his armies were paid for by his parents, as he was in high school and didn't have a job - and had brought his Space Marines. His opponent in this instance was a young kid, probably still in elementary school, who'd brought his Nids to the tourney. The younger kid didn't have enough models to make a 1,500 point list, so he'd just brought what he could. He asked the older kid if he wouldn't mind taking some stuff out of his list to make it a fair fight. The older kid - the immature one in this instance, I might remind you - probably looking for an easy win, refuses. Gameplay starts, and around turn 3 or so, it's becoming clear that the younger kid's Nids are getting the upper hand over the older kid's Marines. You can just SEE the horrifying shock of realization on the older kid's face, that he's getting his butt kicked by a 900 point army while fielding a 1500 point army. And just as that lightbulb clicks on in his head, the younger kid seems to realize he's winning, and he makes a somewhat boastful but not rude comment about how his numerically weaker army was actually winning.
To the older kid's credit, he played out the rest of the game, didn't ragequit, didn't yell or scream or complain about his models dying. He didn't try to damage the younger kid's models, he just took his licking. But that was kinda normal of the guy. He'd show up every game night for some casual 40k gaming. His hygiene was awful, to the point where if he actually ate enough to be overweight (at school sometimes people would tell him 'eat some food, skinny!') he'd be considered a stereotypical GUO, he barely knew the rules, but he never complained about losing a game or his units dying. He was there because he found the game fun and he wanted to play, but I think that the fact that the only games he ever won were those he played against his younger brother were starting to make him want to take any advantage he could short of cheating.
This story might sound a bit familiar. That's because I've told it before, from the perspective of the older kid. Because he's me. I was that older kid who, a decade ago, passed up the chance to be a decent sportsman in favor of a supposedly easy win. I don't look back fondly on what a jerk I was that day, and the only solace I can take from it is that maybe I inadvertently gave that kid a really big mood booster after he slaughtered an army 66% bigger in points than his own. I still have some issues of looking for victory at the price of being a jerk - like when I took such GLEE in slaughtering my mom's Honor Guard with a Uriah-bomb and had spent the two days prior to the game giggling to her about how deadly they were going to be. In mitigation, those Honor Guard had been marching across the field on foot for the previous half-dozen games and murdering the crap out of every one of my squads they touched, so at least I had a reason to take that kind of joy in it.
And that hygiene thing... there's a medical reason for that. Namely, I suffered from the delusion that every time I took a shower, living pink goo would start oozing from the faucet and showerhead and try to kill me. Every three to four months when I actually took a shower and it didn't happen, I figured I just got lucky and it would happen next time. The medical thing behind that is that I have schizophrenia.
I have a few stories I can share, do note that i did not have any models of my own at the time, and was just hanging around friends in Clubs because i was generally interested in the Hobby:
I was on vacation in the UK for a little while, hanging around a good buddy of mine. He would regularly attend Events at his local gaming store, both 40k and Fantasy. Without wanting to sound offensive, some people down at this Club were...a tad weird. And one or two definetly needed a lesson along the lines of "Axe, or any other deodorant for that matter, will eventually stop working as a longterm replacement of actually WASHING your body.". The atmosphere was _usually_ good tough, so no harm done.
One day, it was a friday night if I remember correctly, one of the older fewllos brought his wife along. The guy was great, but dont ask me how he came to marry that housedragon. She would stand there, the entire evening, loudly proclaiming her opinion of this "Hobby for manchildren" and "how you seriously waste OUR money on this stuff!!". She would also make some snarky comments about some shirts the guys were wearing (Altough some of that was rather hillarious. "Is that red guy eating a mushroom? Are you wearing an advert for drugs?!") and also call our cavetroll-members out for their bad hygiene (If it werent for everything else, I think i'd hihgifved that woman right there.). It got late eventually, and as the pair was about to leave she said something that cause me to giggle a bit. I dont remember the exact tone: i think "If you people would go out more often, you'd get a decent wife like me!". Considering she pretty much behaved like Sauron on a "we dont have sugar for your coffee"-day all night, i just giggled a bit. She walked up to me and slapped me in the face. I was shocked. It didnt hurt overly much, I have 3 cousins and they whack like Ghazghkull, but it was so sudden that I couldnt say a word. "I hope that teaches you a lesson, young man!" and she was gone. They guy apologized for it later, and to be honest, i didnt care much. But the fact that this woman would come down to the Club, make fun of us all, and then slap me in the face for giggling...well you get the picture.
The second one was at friendly get-together with a few buddies. 3 people brought 40k armies and eventually got together on a table to play a game. They decided that they would play a 1vs1vs1, so noone had to wait. I got a bad feeling about that instantly. Since, as usual, people brought people the other people dindt know, this was basically programmed to go 2vs1 followed by an uneven 1vs1 with some butthurt players on each side. They wouldnt have any of it tough, so I decided to annihilate some beers and watch the carnage.
Oh Boy. Anyone ever got into a situation, where you have this feeling... This vision of a giant burning trainwreck right in front of everyone, but only YOU see it?
So it starts out nice. 1 shoots at 2, 3 repositions. Some losses here and there. You can see that each player tries to spread his fire and his dudes evenly, so noone feels ganged up upon. But eventually, as one might imagine, it happens. I think it was turn 3 (took them a while, had to look up rules here and there), when 3 lost a huge chunk of his infantry (Orks, mostly meele) and decided to skip on the defensive play and charge in. Obviously, 1 and 2 reacted and it didnt take long before all Orks was reduced to a pile of "butthurt-green-goo". I call it that, because he was allready screaming before the dice had even dropped. The argument started, and at some point 2 calls 3 something mean, whereafter 3 picks up the first model he sees (Hillariously, being one of 1's vehicles) and throws it. Long story short, they ended up wrestling on the floor and one unlucky punch actually broke a nose.
Cue in an hour later, not only an ambulance, but also the police had arrived. I had some serious regrets later, since I was pretty drunk when the police questioned me as the "neutral party".
"I schwear Offischer. I didnt do nothing wrong...not. Ever. Hic!"
All in all, it only took one evening to destroy a rather large circle of friends, with some broken models (who looked really nice to boot!) and police-involvement. All because of some dice and dead plastic-Orks. I still see some of them regularly, and they still give me that "Grudge"-look when I mention that evening.
Wow.
After slogging through 8 pages of this thread, reading all the kiddie (and yes adults acting like kiddies) horror stories, I'm reminded of why I don't play wargames with children. If you are not at least close to being old enough to vote, you're not old enough to sit across the game table from me. Nothing personal, I just don't get on well with kids, dislike their antics, and I'm not a baby-sitter. Someone else can do the "getting the next generation in to the hobby" job.
(the obvious exception being the rare tournament I play in, in which I simply have to play whoever I get paired with)
Everytime I make a statement like this I get a chorus of kiddies saying "But I'M mature" or people throwing out examples of adults acting worse than some kids. Let me head that off this time. No one (least of all me) is making the statement that all kids are annoying and that all those 18+ are mature. That would be foolish. We all know exceptions to that statement. But there is such a thing as a general trend and it is the rarity of exceptions that prove the rule. It's easier for everyone involved to make it a practice of not playing youngsters at all, rather than hoping against hope that this one just might be a well behaved, quiet, and well behaved child rather than a loud, annoying, kiddie.
Finally, as always, this thread has more than it's fair share of fairy tales of property destruction and physical violence. I say "fairy tales" because I suspect that most of these are simply not true.
OK, this is really old and didnt happend to me and it wasnt 40K...but otherwise its on topic!
Me and my buddy began to play Fantasy Battles. We just spent for college students a lot of cash on armies about 600pts iirc. And went to local gaming club.
Oh my...
I remember that last time there I spanked some kid during MtG "friendly duel" when he constantly trashtalked, was vulgar and in the final, when my ancient, primitive deck smashed his "top tier made by current world champion" deck, he tried to insult me. And heck, I wasnt in mood to be insulted by spoiled brat...
So...after year I came back, with Fantasy Battles and buddy who took his army to play game with "pro". We were playing at home, but as you know, you make a lot of mistakes without playing with someone who is experienced.
His vampire counts were usually beaten by my dark elves (and believe me, my dark elves were awful), so it really wasnt strong army. But hey, we are here to learn and have fun...except...
He was playing against Big Boss, lord of everything, manager of the shop who wasnt kid at all...just acted like it. But we didint know it yet.
In short, the guy took some purely shooting Empire army, set the table without terrain, so he has clean LoS and let my buddy´s vampire counts march into hail of bullets and cannons. Oh, he also has about 1000-1100 pts army against 600 pts VC, but we learned it much, much later.
Whole game was watched by manager's detachment of kid cronies (really, he has about six juvenile retainers who honored him as WH grandmaster) and those @!*s mocked every wrong move of my buddy and cheered every succes of Empire. Of course, we didint learn anything useful. Just saw completely massacred skeletons and got to result that Empire army is totally unbalanced and local games are just one walk full of humiliation.
In the end, my buddy packed his army, we both sold all models and went to another hobby. Because this wasnt fun at all and we could imagine to play with such jerks on regular basis.
Now Im preparing my first WH40K army for first battles...luckily in another city and hopefully with another sort of people...
dementedwombat wrote: The thing that really annoys me though is when people just keep bragging about how awesome their army is. There's one Tau player and one Tyranid player who are kind of the "power gamer" types, and they will literally just walk up to you and start taking about how awesome their flying hive tyrant/riptides are and how much stuff they killed with them last game.
This iratates me so much, I may make some minor comment about how much I love X unit then they'll step up and say "Oh yeah well x unit from my codex will beat the snot out of it". What is funny is when two of these people meet and they spend half an hour one upping eachother.
YES!!! Arghhhh, I had this Ork player once and that was all he could say the entire game.
And his comparisons were hardly relevant either, like I'd say 'I really made a good choice putting XX weapon in this squad', and then he'll proceed to say 'Yeah but I have a kill kanon on this battlewagon, and all these shootas so yeah'.
Well of course a f'ing kill kanon is better than a plasma pistol or power fist...seriously...
I did enjoy playing in an escalation league where one player would change his list depending upon who he was facing (including proxying), thereby totally defeating the point of the escalation league... Some of his units were invalid aswell.
dementedwombat wrote: The thing that really annoys me though is when people just keep bragging about how awesome their army is. There's one Tau player and one Tyranid player who are kind of the "power gamer" types, and they will literally just walk up to you and start taking about how awesome their flying hive tyrant/riptides are and how much stuff they killed with them last game.
This iratates me so much, I may make some minor comment about how much I love X unit then they'll step up and say "Oh yeah well x unit from my codex will beat the snot out of it". What is funny is when two of these people meet and they spend half an hour one upping eachother.
YES!!! Arghhhh, I had this Ork player once and that was all he could say the entire game.
And his comparisons were hardly relevant either, like I'd say 'I really made a good choice putting XX weapon in this squad', and then he'll proceed to say 'Yeah but I have a kill kanon on this battlewagon, and all these shootas so yeah'.
Well of course a f'ing kill kanon is better than a plasma pistol or power fist...seriously...
Its not
Seriously. Kilkannons suck diseased moose wang.
At least a powerfist is worth taking.
Why would anybody WANT a killkannon?Battle wagons have one role:Get da boys to da front lines and deffroll anyfing' in da way to get der!
Not mukkin about in da back!dats fer looted wagonz!
Luckily, I have not yet met a guy as immature as the people in this thread... But there's one annoying Tau player at local GW. My main army is Blood Angels and I had a small 500p army list with me. Not extremely competitive but it can manage to win/draw decently. So this player challenges me to a game. Asks what army do I play and as I answer, he starts smiling. So here we are, one of the weakest codex of the game versus one of the most competitive and he asks me if he could make his list after he saw mine. I was kind of disappointed in the guy since that isn't my idea of sportsmanship but I granted his wish and get an army with a Riptide of course. He also has an annoying habit of moving at least 7-8" and arguing about cover saves his enemy gets. It was a slaugther but I was kind of fine with it. But the thing that annoys me is that I wasn't the only one. There are some young players at our store that are new with the game, and this guy has a habit of searching out the "weakest" armies and challenging them. Okay, this has only happened a few times but it still disturbs me.
Another guy at our FLGS is asomewhat 20-years old veteran who has pretty much every army in the game. A good guy otherwise, but annoying while we're playing. There was one game with him that has everything I find annoying with his playing: He comes up and explains that Black Templars are his main army. Opens case and has 4 BT models, the rest were Khorne Berzerkers... Then he starts moving his guys and moves trough cover and most of the models move 6" (he rolled a four). He also drops his Pod down and when I ask if his guys should come out, he claims that there's no rule that forces them to do so. I answered that it's pretty clear there is one. And then he says that well, there isn't in the Templar codex (doesn't have a codex with him to prove it). And even tough every single other Marine codex clearly states that models must disembark, he refuses to "use other codice's rules".
And one more. So I play against this one guy who mostly fields Chaos and Necrons. He's a really good friend of mine and was one of the people who got me into the hobby in the first place. He isn't a WAAC-player, but he does win tournaments a lot. So we play pretty often, and mostly I field my Blood Angels. It was a one-side whooping for a while since I lost every one of our games for a while. And he used to joke a lot in the game and we had a casual mood.
It all kind of changed one game, this was a game we played between my BA/Eldar and his Daemons. So I had a pretty good start, slaughtering two of his squads in the first turn. Then I realised how much of a kid he was... Since then, every time he wasn't winning, he would go to this annoying state where he sitted silently and watched, didn't bother to joke and only talked if he wanted to bitch me about rules or the extra half inch I had moved. After all he got his game in order again and when he was winning again, he started the usual joking again. But it's so annoying that since that I have truly enjoyed his victories more than mine, because then there was at least some fun and casuality...
@soomemafia: there was actually an issue with the errata for the Black Templar Drop Pod when one took RAW: it deleted the part about requiring them to disembark. It was still incredibly cheesey to do.
These instances are pretty minor and I am sure that we all have "been there, done that." My instances are usually with my friends who can get a little heated in games like this when things don't go according to plan. However, it's usually a gradual buildup that then explodes and then simmers down. Usually we have a good laugh afterwards as we realize how childish and stupid it all is.
One of these moments was when I was playing against my friend's Imperial Guard back in 5th edition I think. He had a lot of "power blob" Imperial Guard and I was using my Deathwing / Ravenwing combo from 4th edition. Things just REALLY did not go his way. I ended up sandwiching his blobs between bikers and terminators, and gunning down a fair number of them. I charged in with my terminators. Now, he had a lot of power weapons in the squad (back in 5th they just ignored all armor regardless of "shape") and I figured his lowly sergeant's and commissars would take down a terminator or two each. Nope, none. I got to blast him with fists. He rolls his morale check. Ld 10 stubborn... gets an 11... Kills a guy to re-roll. Another 11. At this point I begin to feel bad as his guys run away. Then, he tries to rally in his turn. Ld 10 stubborn. Rolls an 11 and his guys run away again (if I remember correctly). At this point my friend picks up his dice, lets out a bestial yell of frustration and throws the dice across the driveway. They clack across the pavement and into the row of plants that rest alongside it. At this point I just sort of fall down laughing because it was such an epic nerd rage moment. I asked him if he wanted his dice back. He said something along the lines of, "no, they are never allowed back." We took a second to let him cool down. Later, we realized how hilarious the whole ordeal was, and that the odds of those terrible die rolls was nothing short of astronomically bad luck. The BEST part was finding those dice a few days later when i was watering the plants... I saw them and contemplated taking them back inside to a loving home of tabletop gaming. I decided that it was probably safer to just wash them down into the gutter.
Another example of one of the "annoying kids" is one of our new Dark Angels players. I am the only Dark Angels player at the local GW and this kid has accordingly latched on to me as a sort of "Dark Angels buddy." The problem is that this kid will NOT shut up. It's constantly questions like "what should I do? I have my librarian where do you want him? Can I put an apothecary in this unit.? Where are you dropping your terminators, they should team up etc etc" I am a very understanding and patient person most of the time but there comes a point where it's just too much. I have to just be like "do whatever you want. they are your models I don't care." All of the other players do not like to participate in games whenever he is there because it is just such a monumental level of pestering, questioning, and misunderstanding. I'm not sure what can be done because our store is such a great community and the manager is awesome and welcoming (apparently too much at times haha) of all ages. We have sort of taken a vow to give him a chance, but if he gets too annoying, just obliterate his army so he will stop playing that day. It's mean but it's also necessary for the good of the herd so to speak. Why why WHY must the only other Dark Angels player be the most hated/annoying in the shop?! Sigh...
Last example, then i will stop, is again, with the young'uns. For some reason I have been deemed the Champion of the Young'uns at the local GW. It's probably because I am a pretty patient person and want everyone at the store to have a good time. I'm also a giant 10 year old boy at heart (aren't we all?) and like to help those people getting involved in the hobby for the very first time. The best thing is that almost ALL of the kids are actually really nice and smart and have fun playing the game. But, there was one kid, similar to the one above, who suffered from that sort of "curious younger brother" syndrome. His older brother, probably about 13, had just gotten in to the hobby with Space marines (don't we all? haha). I believe that the 13 year-old was playing Salamanders, and had mostly gone for tactical marines and Land Raiders with terminators. As such, when I plopped down my white terminators, ravenwing bikers, land speeders, and drop pod, the younger brother immediately began asking what literally EVERYTHING WAS and getting a sugary stained hand dangerously close to all of my newly built (and some painted) models. Questions like: "what's that?" It's a bike. 'What's that?" It's an attack bike. "What's the difference?" ... one is an attack bike... it has an extra guy and gun that you can CLEARLY see on the model. "What's that thing?" It's a land speeder... "What's that one"... that's an identical landspeeder... etc. etc. It was literally that fast as well. No pause, no hesitation. It was just like "oooooookay you need to go away now little guy. haha. Oh the chilluns.
When we were younger, playing in third, my mate was the spoilt "parents buy me everything" type and he had an ork army that literally had 5 of everything, he even played with two ghazghskulls. Anyway he would do the whole speak like an english soccer hooligan ork thing, talk trash about how the orks won the armageddon campaign, were the best blah blah blah. On the two occasions we all ganged up with marines, eldar, necrons and blood angels vs his orks he would act all cocky until things looked like they weren't gonna go his way, at which point he'd just wander off halfway though and say this was boring and we should all just hit the beers. Then later on he'd be like "haha remember just before when i was stomping you all, man i felt sorry for you guys fighting my orks blah blah" and if you called him on it he'd just lose his s**t and leave.
Honestly i get seen to almost every game i play and i'll still finish the game (though admittedly we agree to call it when its turn 4 and i have nothing left but a terminator and scout) because i enjoy the narrative. Seeing my rhino kill a bloodthirster with a hk missile in the last turn makes up for the fact that the rhino was basically the only thing that survived. And all the people you've mentioned throwing s**t? Wtf man, that stuffs pricey, not to mention if id spent hours painting up some huge as model for some 9 year old to hurl it. He would not be leaving the shop in one piece!
" but it's also necessary for the good of the herd"
Wow i was cracking up for ages over that sentance. No idea why i fond that funny. funniest thing all day. I just imagine one of the cows breaking the legs of the demented cow so it gets eaten by the wolves and saying "It is necessary for the good of the herd".
Wow i was cracking up for ages over that sentance. No idea why i fond that funny. funniest thing all day. I just imagine one of the cows breaking the legs of the demented cow so it gets eaten by the wolves and saying "It is necessary for the good of the herd".
Wow i was cracking up for ages over that sentance. No idea why i fond that funny. funniest thing all day. I just imagine one of the cows breaking the legs of the demented cow so it gets eaten by the wolves and saying "It is necessary for the good of the herd".
hahahahahahaha
Brought to mind the scene from Hot Fuzz
Ever since I saw Hot Fuzz, I never saw Tau the same way again
Wow i was cracking up for ages over that sentance. No idea why i fond that funny. funniest thing all day. I just imagine one of the cows breaking the legs of the demented cow so it gets eaten by the wolves and saying "It is necessary for the good of the herd".
hahahahahahaha
Haha I'm amazed you read that far. Glad to know it brought joy to someone lol.
Wow i was cracking up for ages over that sentance. No idea why i fond that funny. funniest thing all day. I just imagine one of the cows breaking the legs of the demented cow so it gets eaten by the wolves and saying "It is necessary for the good of the herd".
hahahahahahaha
Haha I'm amazed you read that far. Glad to know it brought joy to someone lol.
- VardenV2
Cheers dude, almost was funnier than those sickly looking old tyranid models i was looking at earlier. Cheers
Fortunately, my FLGS is exactly that, darn friendly. However, during christmas time, or october when all the little snots come in to buy presents for themselves with birthday money or whatever, we often get the marine toting Fegot who prattles on about dreadknights, stormravens and most notably the bloody land raider vanilla. How the latter is viewed as not particularly useful in the current edition, why anyone would use it is beyond me The problem however, is that i play marines as one of my armies, and so i get quizzed about what unit is good for this, that, and the other thing. "Just play with what you like guys!". One time i mentioned the lulful tactic of using a land speeder with a MM to flank and pop things, so this little kiddy decides to do just that, however he cunningly covers it's advance by kamikaze charging directly in front of a goddamn tri-Las predator. Words cannot describe the nerdrage of this little snot when it got blammed out of the sky, he then accused me of it being my fault, and he packed his things and left. Thank the emprah no models were hurt I saw this little kiddie about 2 weeks later, and he apologized to me and the kind sir he was playing against. That was a couple years back, and i play with this guy fairly often now, he's a good friend up at the store, mostly because he's sorted out his issues, but fun to play against nonetheless
Mine was the other night on vassal, long story short we were both being dicks, he had the backbone to discuss it afterwards and I grew to respect him as a result, the main issue we had was the lack if a medium other than text, so tone and intent could not be achieved, so in future we will play on Skype to avoid these issues.
since the early 80s, I have had the pleasure o play with many mature and outstanding players just as I have had the misfortune to play with many immature players.
when it comes to the immature players, I can honestly say that not once have I ever seen immaturity and such poor sports or whatever else you wish to call it, as I have on online forums. I suppose it is the blind bullying where you are just a faceless persona or the fact that it is so easy to gang up with others of the same immatureity level and victimize innocents. Whatever the case may be in terms of the reason, I have found this to be true ad the worst experiences I have had in a 'gaming career".
I have only bumped into a few bad apples in the last 17 years. The best one was against a dark Eldar player back in 2001. I went off to college in 2000 and my FLGS went under but there was another shop some 45 minutes away owned by the same guy (his expansion didn't work out because the guy he was partnered with sucked and didn't care if kids stole the GW stuff he only cared about his magic cards. Anyway, the shop closed about 2-3 months after I left for school. I came back over the summers and played in their RTs every summer. This one guy was a total "over used word for pee pee" and built a reputation on being a WAAC type of gamer (at that point in my gaming career, I was too). This guy was absolutely pounding the crap out of everyone and bragging how he was quick to table his opponent. He kept it up during round 2 as well, kept talking about how there was no competition. Well in round 3, he faced my gun line guard. It's guy was so over confident, he told me the game wouldn't last more than 2 rounds before he was going to table me and that he would eat my army and this was a perfect match up. First, he argued that DE always go first and I pointed out only in attacker and defender missions and our mission had neither. Then he called a TO who laughed and said, "wow, looks like he is right. I didn't catch that and I thought it was always goes first. Roll to see who goes first." I won the roll, I went first. No movement and 2 basalisks dropped 2 shots into 2 raiders each carrying one HQ. First one was the archon and incubi. 2 dice to pen (using the highest and I pen on a 2+) using the ordinance weapon pen chart I got +1 damage from being opened top and I rolled a 6 to see his leader die. He called the TO over because he said he got a 2+ shadow field. I kept reading, "the vehicle blows up and there are no survivors in the transport. All models die and there are no saving throws." We then moved to the next basilisk shot, his dracon with the web way portal died to the same effect. Next because he failed to really use any cover, I shot his raider carrying his witches (killed half the unit and pinned them down). The rest of my heavy weapons just lit up whatever else was in range and could see him. By the end of my second turn, I had broken his army and my gun line started to advance because I had to get a unit into his deployment zone. His stuff came in piece meal and he had nothing left for me to shoot at after turn 2 but I let his 2 talons show up on turn 3 when he failed to get them out. They were gone pretty quickly. When i tabled him, he argued with me about extra points because I didn't get into his deployment zone, etc. I gave him a taste of his own medicine and looked at the tables next to me and said, "man that was quick. I was expecting a challenge at the final table. The guys I played in round 1 & 2 put up a tougher fight but that was because all their eggs weren't in one basket." I went back to school and came back the following summer. He was pretty quiet when he played at the table next to me in round 1. When he started to get brash with his uber nasty LATD army one of the guys said, "I think you're going to face that guy with the praetorian guard army. He seems to be cleaning house." He retreated a bit but we never faced each other because at round 3 there were 3 undefeated players and I was the odd man out so I played another guy who had a massacre and a large victory who played an army almost identical to the other guy's from last year. He got turn 1 so I felt the hurt. I was able to stop the archon and his incubi before they hit my lines but the dracon got the homing beacon off and I had 3 talos and 20 witches running through my lines on turn 2. I think those 20 models killed close to 60 guardsmen. By the end of the game, my heavy Bolter squad finished them when they failed to make a sweeping advance into them. My preachers, commissars, and all of my infantry were dead and all he had left was a unit of warriors in the back with lance shooting at me. I had some 20 models left but nothing to actually take him out because I had to move and shoot. We ended with a minor victory in my favor and to date that was the best game I've ever played in my life because it was so back and forth and in the end the body count was so high - I had my officers left but no one to command. He had one unbroken squad of warriors. The LATD player took second because he had a minor loss but got all of his secondary objectives in all of his games and I didn't in the final round so he beat me by one point.
I'm happy to say I started a trend at that club though. I played in their tournaments from 2000 - 2006 and always found someone in the tournament who looked like they just needed something in their army that they couldn't afford. First year it was a kid with a foot slogging army, I got him 2 rhinos with my prize money. Second year when I took overall, it was land raider for a kid with a death wing army (he had lots of the original plastic termites from the first space hulk game). third year, a kid with a space wolf army who needed more troops because he bought a bunch of extra war gear to make 2000 points, and a unit of plague marines for a chaos player. When I went back in 2006 the guys who won all gave their support away to players who needed it. I went back this past summer to see my parents and they continued the trend. Apparently, the shop reimburses your tournament fees if you donate the proceeds to someone else now. The owner still remembers me and still gets a kick out of what I did back then. I had a pick up game there over thanksgiving and played a guy who said that was how he was able to afford to play a competitive army because someone gave him their tournament winnings back several years ago because all he could afford to put on the table were tactical marines and scouts. It felt good because these kids seemed to stick around longer and didn't just give up.
'...Marines are better than everyone at everything, so they can't lose.'
This is by far the funniest thing in here.
This has made me realise that I was also probably an annoying child in GW back in the day, firing a barrage of nonsensical questions at whatever poor bloke happened to be playing at the time.
He just wanted to play, damnit!
I have only bumped into a few bad apples in the last 17 years. The best one was against a dark Eldar player back in 2001. I went off to college in 2000 and my FLGS went under but there was another shop some 45 minutes away owned by the same guy (his expansion didn't work out because the guy he was partnered with sucked and didn't care if kids stole the GW stuff he only cared about his magic cards. Anyway, the shop closed about 2-3 months after I left for school. I came back over the summers and played in their RTs every summer. This one guy was a total "over used word for pee pee" and built a reputation on being a WAAC type of gamer (at that point in my gaming career, I was too). This guy was absolutely pounding the crap out of everyone and bragging how he was quick to table his opponent. He kept it up during round 2 as well, kept talking about how there was no competition. Well in round 3, he faced my gun line guard. It's guy was so over confident, he told me the game wouldn't last more than 2 rounds before he was going to table me and that he would eat my army and this was a perfect match up. First, he argued that DE always go first and I pointed out only in attacker and defender missions and our mission had neither. Then he called a TO who laughed and said, "wow, looks like he is right. I didn't catch that and I thought it was always goes first. Roll to see who goes first." I won the roll, I went first. No movement and 2 basalisks dropped 2 shots into 2 raiders each carrying one HQ. First one was the archon and incubi. 2 dice to pen (using the highest and I pen on a 2+) using the ordinance weapon pen chart I got +1 damage from being opened top and I rolled a 6 to see his leader die. He called the TO over because he said he got a 2+ shadow field. I kept reading, "the vehicle blows up and there are no survivors in the transport. All models die and there are no saving throws." We then moved to the next basilisk shot, his dracon with the web way portal died to the same effect. Next because he failed to really use any cover, I shot his raider carrying his witches (killed half the unit and pinned them down). The rest of my heavy weapons just lit up whatever else was in range and could see him. By the end of my second turn, I had broken his army and my gun line started to advance because I had to get a unit into his deployment zone. His stuff came in piece meal and he had nothing left for me to shoot at after turn 2 but I let his 2 talons show up on turn 3 when he failed to get them out. They were gone pretty quickly. When i tabled him, he argued with me about extra points because I didn't get into his deployment zone, etc. I gave him a taste of his own medicine and looked at the tables next to me and said, "man that was quick. I was expecting a challenge at the final table. The guys I played in round 1 & 2 put up a tougher fight but that was because all their eggs weren't in one basket." I went back to school and came back the following summer. He was pretty quiet when he played at the table next to me in round 1. When he started to get brash with his uber nasty LATD army one of the guys said, "I think you're going to face that guy with the praetorian guard army. He seems to be cleaning house." He retreated a bit but we never faced each other because at round 3 there were 3 undefeated players and I was the odd man out so I played another guy who had a massacre and a large victory who played an army almost identical to the other guy's from last year. He got turn 1 so I felt the hurt. I was able to stop the archon and his incubi before they hit my lines but the dracon got the homing beacon off and I had 3 talos and 20 witches running through my lines on turn 2. I think those 20 models killed close to 60 guardsmen. By the end of the game, my heavy Bolter squad finished them when they failed to make a sweeping advance into them. My preachers, commissars, and all of my infantry were dead and all he had left was a unit of warriors in the back with lance shooting at me. I had some 20 models left but nothing to actually take him out because I had to move and shoot. We ended with a minor victory in my favor and to date that was the best game I've ever played in my life because it was so back and forth and in the end the body count was so high - I had my officers left but no one to command. He had one unbroken squad of warriors. The LATD player took second because he had a minor loss but got all of his secondary objectives in all of his games and I didn't in the final round so he beat me by one point.
I'm happy to say I started a trend at that club though. I played in their tournaments from 2000 - 2006 and always found someone in the tournament who looked like they just needed something in their army that they couldn't afford. First year it was a kid with a foot slogging army, I got him 2 rhinos with my prize money. Second year when I took overall, it was land raider for a kid with a death wing army (he had lots of the original plastic termites from the first space hulk game). third year, a kid with a space wolf army who needed more troops because he bought a bunch of extra war gear to make 2000 points, and a unit of plague marines for a chaos player. When I went back in 2006 the guys who won all gave their support away to players who needed it. I went back this past summer to see my parents and they continued the trend. Apparently, the shop reimburses your tournament fees if you donate the proceeds to someone else now. The owner still remembers me and still gets a kick out of what I did back then. I had a pick up game there over thanksgiving and played a guy who said that was how he was able to afford to play a competitive army because someone gave him their tournament winnings back several years ago because all he could afford to put on the table were tactical marines and scouts. It felt good because these kids seemed to stick around longer and didn't just give up.
This story could be amazing. I don't know. Please, try again with paragraphs to make it readable.
Wow having heard this my local gw must be the best place to play warhammer in the world! There are usually 6 people (including me) and we usually play a large 3v3 Match or we go off and do our own thing, pick who we want to play and doing a couple of little 2v2s or 1v1s although we do usually all bring slightly competitive lists we play friendlys, and to e honest they are great fun, we applaud eachother even if they kill one of our units or even beat us by a country mile! We crack jokes about each others characters and army's, all in all it's the highlight of my week and all so we can go back the next week telling legendary tales of how we slayed monstrous tyrinids with psycic bolts and create yet more tales!
tau tse tung wrote: *update* The guy (who is a father may i add) befriended many of the 14 to 16 year olds (that age) and one of them was a boy who would openly make racial remarks. Now on dakka i have posted my chinese themed army and got good feedback, even from formor US army vets. But this kid never let go my army was a "Dirty red" army and make horrible racist jokes like "his guard cant see" etc and would even make them with this old bloke.
I happen to know a total nutjob of a guy who thinks of 40k as some sort of training/analogy for the coming racial holy war, Orks being blacks-muslims, Eldar jews, Tau chinese, Chaos atheists/satanists, marxists and liberals. Of course, in his view of things the Imperium is the great, beleaguered white race and Space Marines, most obviously, our white aryan national-socialist saviors and overlords (He plays blood angels/C:SM, for what matters). Thing is, he knows the game rather well and is mature enough not to cheat. Actually, he's not a bad guy to have a game against, unless anyone touches on his idiocic racial and political fetishes, in which case he goes full ramblomatic. My friends usually do that on purpose
I'll have to ask him what he thinks of Necrons and Tyranids, btw
You'd think that Necrons, not having souls and relying on science/technology and having shrugged the gods that once controlled them, would be atheists. Of course, people like that have a very skewed view of the world and tend to make stuff up to fit their narrative.
A lot of the stories on this thread are pretty horrific. The worst immature moment in 40k I experienced was my own. I was 13 or 14 and had a rudimentary grasp on the rules enough to play it. I brought a poorly built DA list with 2 land raiders to a tournament and I was tabled by a DE player by the third turn my second game, which made me cry. I didn't make a scene, but I probably made the DE player feel somewhat uncomfortable; he was a good sport about it though and didn't make it worse.
Trench-Raider wrote: Wow.
After slogging through 8 pages of this thread, reading all the kiddie (and yes adults acting like kiddies) horror stories, I'm reminded of why I don't play wargames with children. If you are not at least close to being old enough to vote, you're not old enough to sit across the game table from me. Nothing personal, I just don't get on well with kids, dislike their antics, and I'm not a baby-sitter. Someone else can do the "getting the next generation in to the hobby" job.
(the obvious exception being the rare tournament I play in, in which I simply have to play whoever I get paired with)
Everytime I make a statement like this I get a chorus of kiddies saying "But I'M mature" or people throwing out examples of adults acting worse than some kids. Let me head that off this time. No one (least of all me) is making the statement that all kids are annoying and that all those 18+ are mature. That would be foolish. We all know exceptions to that statement. But there is such a thing as a general trend and it is the rarity of exceptions that prove the rule. It's easier for everyone involved to make it a practice of not playing youngsters at all, rather than hoping against hope that this one just might be a well behaved, quiet, and well behaved child rather than a loud, annoying, kiddie.
Finally, as always, this thread has more than it's fair share of fairy tales of property destruction and physical violence. I say "fairy tales" because I suspect that most of these are simply not true.
TR
I understand where your coming from. Nearly all the people my age and younger i face are either terrible at gaming (with no strategy, or a really bad army list) are incredibly immature, or make up rules like they run gw. (no i SWEAR guardsmen hit on 2+!!!)
But, not every one is that way. me and my friend both play 40k and get favorite opponent all the time, even when we demolish the other person, and with my eldar this happens a good amount.
But, i will say mature gamer kids are rare. I would say if they are taking enough time to come on here and get help with there game play then there probably not a bad opponent to face.
) and those @!*s mocked every wrong move of my buddy and cheered every succes of Empire. Of course, we didint learn anything useful. Just saw completely massacred skeletons and got to result that Empire army is totally unbalanced and local games are just one walk full of humiliation.
