Hi, I'm new and i'm not sure if this is the right place too post, dakka has been very nice so far
But whats the worst moment like this for you? I have two stories,
I was playing a doubles tornament in my shop back in London where i was paired with this mildly annoying (but in no way evil or horrible) guy, vs two friends of mine who were both a little and alot older than me, My Tau are chipping away my friends Eldar quite well where the teammate starts scream "PROTECT MY THUNDERFIRE CANNON!" right in my ear, i turn too him and say "but your in cover, theres no need" he continues to whine so i do so, by doing this not only my FW's are now no longer getting cover from my railohead but i have too only fire my main gun where before i was glancing the eldar walkers too death before, as i guessed the FW sqauds were killed in an instant and we were almost down too about 5 marines, of then the guy screamed "ITS YOUR FAULT" when i was clearly killing a good amount of eldar, orks and holding an OBJ. We lost the game when eldard came over and kicked the hammerhead and thunderfire too death.. Of which the other team said "you would have won that if you had never moved the rail head"
A much worse time was me playing a 40 year old power gamer who has said countless un- PC stuff in my shop and even making racist comments about my themed army. When playing his 'nids he would scream every i said if i was in cover, he would openly make odd remarks about how my knowage and grades in college and gaming skill were linked...and at the end because at the time i was using a store rulebook (of which i have now got my own after saving up) called me a "a poor kid who should not play warhammer" This man (may i re add who is in his 40s) was later banned for simular stuff.
As this is my first topic again i'm not sure if this is the right place too post and i'm sorry for any spelling mistakes as i'm typing from my phone. Thank you!
Bless his heart, there is a gentleman in his late 40's who may be a little too slow to grasp 40k.. but he plays anyways (and I encourage him). He's a swell person, but playing him in games can be brutal and everyone knows it. I usually try to play him every other weekend.
My point.. Is that this man is absolutely great compared to some kid (in his 20s) that used to come around. You know the type. Always talks about how his day is terrible when you make him remove a unit and that how his mom died and things just haven't been the same around his house since. Unfortunate.. But seriously, let's play the game.
Nope. Packs up turn 2 after you make him remove another unit. Returns next weekend to tell everyone he is quitting 40k and is selling stuff.
Repeat the process each weekend. Plays games/Leaves/Returns
That's the only type of person that annoys me when I play 40k at the store. I can handle waac guys. I don't play them. : ]
I'm not mad at this person. It just taught me to pick my battles carefully and that I can only have fun against other people who want to have fun.
Yeah i agree, i can't stand it when people leave half way though and those games were early on, later i got a feel for the local players, god dman i never even stopped too think about the people who leave half way though or go "can i make my team commit suicide" when they start too lose...
This "Adult" i played was horrible. He cried about loosing two units and I got some lucky rolls and killed a feew of his things. It eventually got to a horrble shouting match. He whines about how tau killed his flyer list.
I remember in 5th edition where I played against someone's Chaos Space Marines. Man, he kept claiming that Kharn had Eternal Warrior and he had toughness 5.
I told him that Kharn does not have eternal warrior and toughness 5 when I read the codex (I read it before playing him) and told me my pdf was different from his codex. Turned out his book had a smudge where Kharn's toughness and the codex never stated he had eternal warrior.
I had a kid (about 15) do the following a few years back:
1/: complain to the store owner that i wasn't using GW models (I was running old-school DE, this was before the update) and should be banned.
It is a FLGS not a GW store, so this didn't fly.
I can understand that he didn't recognize them, as they last had an update before he was potty trained (at the time) and weren't stocked anywhere.
2/: Argue that my codex was a fake, as it was so old-looking and none of the pics inside 'looked like 40k' - (see above) - i patiently explained that DE were still an army, and this was the most current codex available.
3/: Pitch an absolute wobbler when my Dark Lances ignored his AV 14 (I guess he never played vs CWE either?) claiming i was cheating.
4/: Ragequit when his 5 man assault marine squad got owned HARD by my Archon before they even got to swing (if i'm remembering right).
Quote 'They are marines! Read the *bleep* books, Play DOW. Marines are better than everyone at everything, so they can't lose. No way even one marine would lose to one guy.'
Embarrassing to be around, worse to play. Spent the rest of the day quoting passages from BL and the 5th ed rulebook that made his UM look good and shooting me dirty looks. He also had a bad habit of calling everything he disliked 'gay' and dropping f-bombs every third word, which got old fast...
In early 5th Ed this kid was going on and on about how invincible Thraka and his 5 meganobz were. So right after he called a waaagh, I charged him with khan and LC/PG/SS command squad (all on bikes) with a bike chappy. Killed them all except Thraka (who took wounds) in initial assault. I lost a couple next turn, then Hit and Run, shot him and charged again ( killing him despite 2++. Kid turned red and picked up metal model, chucked him across store where he hit a cinderblock wall, bits raining down on painted tournament ready armies.... Locals not happy, player banned.
*update* The guy (who is a father may i add) befriended many of the 14 to 16 year olds (that age) and one of them was a boy who would openly make racial remarks. Now on dakka i have posted my chinese themed army and got good feedback, even from formor US army vets. But this kid never let go my army was a "Dirty red" army and make horrible racist jokes like "his guard cant see" etc and would even make them with this old bloke. Now my ex-girlfriend would play 40k too and she was white and black mixed race, but looks maybe a little asian at first glance. These two boys (i refuse too call the othera man) started laughing and saying loudly "a mixed race black and chinese would be so funny and so ugly" etc at which point my ex stood up and said "your both horrible manchildren" as the shop owner and i turned our heads they packed and ran. They went on too found their own gaming club of which no body goes too.
A few months later the new shop owner and friends mention the kid got banned, i ask why and nobody said anything...i found out in the end he tried to impress a girl by calling my tau the "chink team"...
Our store has a younger kid still in high school with the attention span of a goldfish. He keeps running off in the middle of games to go look at things up front, and does this even just one against one. When he got wind of an Apoc game we were running on an irregular day, we didn't have the heart to tell him no, but he couldn't keep his focus on the game at all. He kept running off during his team's turn, and at first, we cut him some slack and went to go get him. But, well, when you're playing 10k+ a side, time is an issue, and it was frustrating when he'd vanish every fifteen minutes and not be around to declare his shooting or be aware what was going on. The opposite side quietly just focused him more than we would've otherwise and when he came back and found out his Terminators got eaten by a C'tan, he wasn't very happy. He didn't rage but it did make his attention span worse. The most awkward part is that now he has a need to prove himself in Apocalypse but we really can't stomach inviting him back with his inability to stay in the game.
In retrospect, we're pretty lucky this is the worst immaturity we've had since I've been going there.
1500 per side used models had brought eldar v tyranids. He got first turn . I seized iniative
Shot wraithknight at swarmlord rolled box cars to wound claims swarmlord has a 3++ I go with it because the swarmlord deserves an inv realistically and this was a "friendly game" rolls snake eyes for saves then proceeds to pick up the offending wraithknight and throws it over the fence( outside club) into a bush scratched paint but otherwise not broken complains and leaves games and goes home. Next week he arrives and gets annoyed when the club didn't let him in.
hiveof_chimera wrote: 1500 per side used models had brought eldar v tyranids. He got first turn . I seized iniative
Shot wraithknight at swarmlord rolled box cars to wound claims swarmlord has a 3++ I go with it because the swarmlord deserves an inv realistically and this was a "friendly game" rolls snake eyes for saves then proceeds to pick up the offending wraithknight and throws it over the fence( outside club) into a bush scratched paint but otherwise not broken complains and leaves games and goes home. Next week he arrives and gets annoyed when the club didn't let him in.
wow...someone picked your property and threw it over the fence?
That would not end well. at all.
for me the biggest challenge are the guys who either deliberately cheat, or are so used to gimmicks or relying on crutches that when they can't use them they just bitch up a storm.
yeah, i knew a guy who would never buy a necron codex but he knew all the stats...but tricked the entire store into thinking you were allowed 9 wraiths in a squad, i did't mind so much because he was a fun guy too play with.
Hmm, most immature player I've ever met... had a really good excuse, since he was like, nine.
Didn't stop me pulling his hand away when he tried to set off one of the store-granted party poppers directly under the wing of my converted vendetta though. That would have ended... badly.
I've been pretty lucky, even our youngest players (11-12ish) are at least okay to play against.
The worst I had was a player who was running Contemptor Dreadnoughts, and spent most of deployment and the first turn talking them up. As a result, he was pretty miserable when one died to Havocs and the other one to a Vindicator very early on. He ground through the rest of the game, but his heart wasn't really in it.
hiveof_chimera wrote: 1500 per side used models had brought eldar v tyranids. He got first turn . I seized iniative
Shot wraithknight at swarmlord rolled box cars to wound claims swarmlord has a 3++ I go with it because the swarmlord deserves an inv realistically and this was a "friendly game" rolls snake eyes for saves then proceeds to pick up the offending wraithknight and throws it over the fence( outside club) into a bush scratched paint but otherwise not broken complains and leaves games and goes home. Next week he arrives and gets annoyed when the club didn't let him in.
wow...someone picked your property and threw it over the fence?
That would not end well. at all.
for me the biggest challenge are the guys who either deliberately cheat, or are so used to gimmicks or relying on crutches that when they can't use them they just bitch up a storm.
Yeah trust me it didn't end well
But he was like 9 and it was pretty for his only synapse on field but it wouldn't of been that bad if he just continued to play instead of trying to break a 125 aud model ( plus basing) then running off if he sat down and begged for mercy to me and explain thoroughly ehy and offered to continue and pay for damage etc I may have just considered advising a suspension instead of banning him( club runner asked what I would consider fair) but running off didn't help
I played a kid (under 11) once when i was the only guy in the shopn and the store owner semi-forced me too, proper spoilt kid and had 3 preditors and went for my longstrike railheads, i won in the end with a riptide but only by the last turn, the annoying thing was even when winning he would just walk off and look at a random model for games he did't play and just point too his mum for the ones he wanted, the shop owner had to physicly steer him back too the table. When i won i swear he had foget he was playing a game too begin with so he never cared!
I have come across it a few times, twice with a young lad on my team, and seen it when my club fellows have been playing...
To cut a long story short, i ended up becoming a 'guardian' for the day (parental responsibility uh oh ) and had to look after him, the first time it went swimmingly as we blasted our opponents to bits in epic style, with me in command, hence the trolling was rather fun as he was trolling our resident troll who does it very well indeed. The second time he had no such luck, all of us had fun in trolling him (shame on us indeed ) as he tried to troll some of our finest but got it back in return . But otherwise he was very well behaved, but a bit cocky i'm sure we will knock it out of him one way or another as i had to escort him back on the bus (ahh the luxuries of public transport- hogging the back of the bus with out stuff ) and his 40k 'tactics' sounded a little hot headed, as i kept on providing counters to his wild ideas. I hope to face him with my Tau or Dark Eldar one day just to teach him a lesson in 'real' 40k.... *ahem*
though i have seen some real egos be pot shotted in epic fashion. At tourney once one of our esteemed members had taken a nurgle Epidermus list (yes that old troll list...) and came up against DA deathwing. The guy wasn't quite the ticket, but there was no need for his dickish behaviour when he lost 20 termies in 2 turns so nurgle was on the march and the whining started, oh well. This same player of ours also ended a young gents win streak at another tourney, we found this out when one of the TOs came over and said 'whoever beat this guy gets our thanks' the said guy wasn't impressed to say the least. I was on the table next to them so i heard everything, it was a pleasure to hear the discourse
we have never seen people throw models, we've had plenty of 'accidents' with them thought. Old metal dreanought legs falling off when the model is picked up was a trait of mine
Me and a good friend would go down my FLGS every Friday and play the guys who went, we were 15 and 19 at the time and they were all around 30 and we're always lovely guys to play against. However one time we invited a friend to come down with us and his dad came down too. The friend was really enjoying himself and fell in love with the hobby there and then. However his dad was a complete pain and embarrassment. He was going round picking up models (who we're in battles) saying things such as "he's got a condom gun" or "it's a dildo launcher". He also broke someones old steam tank (remember the brilliant metal ones?) by dropping it on the floor and instead of saying anything, pushed it under the table and walked off. Thankfully we never say him again.
Not going to lie, the only younger person in the LGS I go to is actually amazingly well behaved, and probably nicer than most of the other people there.
The thing that really annoys me though is when people just keep bragging about how awesome their army is. There's one Tau player and one Tyranid player who are kind of the "power gamer" types, and they will literally just walk up to you and start taking about how awesome their flying hive tyrant/riptides are and how much stuff they killed with them last game.
Although, the most immature gamer I know was probably me back when I was in grade school, Never did anything really stupid, but I'd always just hang around staring at people playing games and asking/saying random stuff that really didn't have much to do with the game in question.
Im lucky in that my FLGS club is all pretty like-minded players. We all play for fun and rarely care about the win or loss, as long as we have a fun game. I got tabled last night (atrocious rolling mainly) but I got to kill lots of BA so I didnt mind! We have some very fluffy lists, and most of us just pick the units we like best regardless of how good they are. We're competitive, but only in the sense of friendly rivalry, not competitive in the way we build and play our armies/games if you understand my meaning.
Recently my mate who plays Tau (whom I shall call S) organised a friendly game against another player who plays nids (whom I shall call A). Essentially the problem was the A brought a list which was almost designed to break a gunline to pieces, whilst my friend S had not brought a list designed to beat Nids. S brought FW, Kroot, an Ethereal and a single riptide, and i think a Railhead. Maybe some BC Pirahna's too.
A brought 2 Mawlocs, the Doom, Pod Fex, Triple Tervigons and Zoans in a Pod. While I agree its not the most evil list ever, its the way he used it and his behaviour that annoyed me.
For example, when using the Mawlocs, A initially deceived S into thinking the movement caused by Terror from the Deep could force units off the table, and thus destroy them. And then later became aggressive when we explained it to him and showed him that they could not.
He also used the Terror from the deep to hit both levels of a 2 level building. I believe it can only hit the bottom level, though I could be wrong.
He also had taken the 3 Tervigons as troops, but only brought 2 Termagant broods.
*sigh* Looking back I think I was immature in one game. First I interrupted a group of people just to get one of them to play. After that, I put a freaking time constraint saying I had 30 minutes to play a game. Didn't help matters that I didn't have an army list ready. Thankfully, they were kind enough to help me out with this. I didn't rage quit or throw people's models around but still, I was pretty immature then.
I matured a lot after seeing how other people play the game though.
hotsauceman1 wrote: This "Adult" i played was horrible. He cried about loosing two units and I got some lucky rolls and killed a feew of his things. It eventually got to a horrble shouting match. He whines about how tau killed his flyer list.
Those cheesy tau ruined my OTT flyer spam list...waaaaaaah! waaaaaaah!.
This is the definition of irony right here...
Maturity as a player definitely is not based on age. I like your quotes on adult...definitely something to keep in mind. I have had better games with 12 year olds than some adults who acted more like 4 year olds when a game didn't go their way. I just don't get it. It is a game. It is really worth a grown man having a temper tantrum over?
Luckily these days I have much less contact with really annoying players. The folks I tend to play most regularly are all good folks. Most are adults, but some are kids too. In all of them only really 1 truly annoying guy in our Flames of War rotation and we all take turns dealing with him.
There was a guy I knew who used to play at the FLGS I played at when I was still in the military. Kind of guy who was loud, angry and had a tendency to lose a lot because he had bad rolls (we joked that he rolled 2 things well: leadership and scatter).
Well, it finally happened. He was on a hot streak and was looking like he as going to take the tournament for the first time.
And then I tied the game in the end against his Space Wolves (objective based game, he had one, I had one, and the other one was contested) (if anyone is wondering, yes it was with my Sisters, and it was 5th Edition).
Now this was the last game of the day other than the two finalists who would then either split 1st place or battle it out (they got a 60/40 split on the store credit with the 60 going to 1st place) and he is perturbed. He starts yelling at me about how it's all my fault and how I cost him the tournament and on and on as he's packing up and then eventually leaves in a fit of rage.
He'd won 3rd place for the first time ever but had a fit because he hadn't placed higher.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And people wonder why I don't play tournaments anymore.
Just as a follow up: he used to get stoned (to keep his anger under control) before showing up to play. He also ended up with a DUI sometime before I got out so I didn't have to deal with him anymore after that.
A few weeks ago, i was playing in a tournament. In tournaments you kinda expect some people to be immature, juvenile and argumenative. I was placed quite highly, and found my poor imperial fists up against a Triptide Taudar army.
I was fully expecting to get face smashed, since i'd entered at the last minute, and i was just packing IF's with dev centurions (LC/ML) with allied DA for the librarian and power field to protect the cents somewhat, and cast prescience on other units in my back field.
By the end of my second turn, 2 riptides, and 6 broadsides had snuffed it, one riptide to bike and grav guns, one riptide to hillariously bad saves, 3 broadsides to an orbital bomardment, and 3 more to getting snuffed by an overcharged ion blast due to mind control. i had to sympathise somewhat. his army was awesome, mine wasn't. in the third turn, as his third riptide got clobbered by everything, and he rolled hillariously badly for saves again, he threw the riptide on the floor and stamped on it, picked up another and threw it at a wall, and left, never to be seen again.....
I'd already tabled a 12/13 year old in the previous match, and he wasn't happy at all, but the only reason you could tell anything was wrong was the quivering of his chin, no dramatics or anything, but the thirtysomething with the hardcore tournament army, guess he couldn't take losing
ClockworkZion wrote: He'd won 3rd place for the first time ever but had a fit because he hadn't placed higher.
Sadly too many people go through life this way every day. They are angry and upset over what they don't have/don't get and completely ignore all the good things in their lives. It is a sad and depressing way to live life. I don't get angry over games because they are just that: games. They are a diversion from the day to day and even a loss is still a game played to me. I still stood around the table with friends and had a good time. Last tourney I played in was for flames of war. I was tied in the lead with another player on the last day of the league. He was unable to show up until late so I played one of the younger players in the league that day instead of the two first place people having a head to head to win. The kid eeked out a win and when the other guy came in to play he got a win and took the league and store credit. It was still a fun league and I still had the bragging rights of being in 2nd place. More importantly the young kid got to brag about how *he* played a role in keeping me from being the winner. It was a win all around. I could have stormed out of the store and been angry, but would have just looked like an ass. What is the point?
Played a kid once (maybe 13 or 14) who had been invited by a friend to play in our gaming group, when he lost he threw a tantrum right before he threw his tape measure which broke a number of my models. I walked away and he wisely was not there when I got back nor did he ever come play with us again.
Worst ever that I have seen or heard, this did not happen to me. It was during a tournament and there was one odd dude who was an obvious power gamer out to win at all costs, but obviously sucked at 40k. After round one of the game he was hitching and moaining the whole game because he was getting his ass handed to him and at the end of the game he was tabledwith his opponent taking virtually no losses. Now this was a painted only tournament. He goes down to reach into his bag and comes up with 2 cans of aerosol PAINT THINNER. Covered the table and the dudes army ruining all the paint on the table and his entire army. Thankfully when the police showed up the entire shop 100 people were there or so, no one saw how he got the gak beat out of him. He was promptly bannedand never seen around there again.
namiel wrote: Worst ever that I have seen or heard, this did not happen to me. It was during a tournament and there was one odd dude who was an obvious power gamer out to win at all costs, but obviously sucked at 40k. After round one of the game he was hitching and moaining the whole game because he was getting his ass handed to him and at the end of the game he was tabledwith his opponent taking virtually no losses. Now this was a painted only tournament. He goes down to reach into his bag and comes up with 2 cans of aerosol PAINT THINNER. Covered the table and the dudes army ruining all the paint on the table and his entire army. Thankfully when the police showed up the entire shop 100 people were there or so, no one saw how he got the gak beat out of him. He was promptly bannedand never seen around there again.
That's /b/ levels of awful right there. Who brings paint thinner to a "painted models only" tournament anyways? I mean who plans this as their back up plan for if they lose!?
namiel wrote: Worst ever that I have seen or heard, this did not happen to me. It was during a tournament and there was one odd dude who was an obvious power gamer out to win at all costs, but obviously sucked at 40k. After round one of the game he was hitching and moaining the whole game because he was getting his ass handed to him and at the end of the game he was tabledwith his opponent taking virtually no losses. Now this was a painted only tournament. He goes down to reach into his bag and comes up with 2 cans of aerosol PAINT THINNER. Covered the table and the dudes army ruining all the paint on the table and his entire army. Thankfully when the police showed up the entire shop 100 people were there or so, no one saw how he got the gak beat out of him. He was promptly bannedand never seen around there again.
That's /b/ levels of awful right there. Who brings paint thinner to a "painted models only" tournament anyways? I mean who plans this as their back up plan for if they lose!?
Exactly. The dude who got "thinned" had 3 or 4 friends with him that day all playing in the tourney. They beat the feth out of him right in front of the shop while every watched and saw nothing.
For me, it is not so much one single moment, but one player who just makes games uncomfortable and unpleasant for everyone.
Outside of the game, the guy is pretty funny and laid back. He's great to hang out with. But once he begins a game, the instant he loses a unit, or fails a test, or has a less then average dice roll, he begins throwing his own models hard into his case and just complaining the whole time.
Verses wrote: The whole beating the guy up thing is a bit...too far, really. It's a silly way to handle a problem like that.
Very very true. It was juvenile. He was asked to pay the guy who's army he ruined for what he did. Obviously that didn't happen. They were all high school kids so juvenile is how it would be expected to be handled
Good thing my group us 18+ and we have some hard rules that you to go by to stay in the club . i have played kids once and never will again i think this game should be 18and up
I was playing in what was described as a friendly beginner league just because I was invited to play, maybe teach some people how to play. I end up getting paired with a tau player who turns out to be a powergamer and since I play GK, I was already at a disadvantage. A due to a poor deployment on my part and his getting first turn, he deepstrikes in some stealth suits with fusion blasters and precedes to blow away 3/4 of my army on turn 1. So I was losing right out of the gate, I am a pretty okay tactical though, so I do with what I had. Every single time I did something clever we would swear and kick the wall, despite basically crushing me the entire game. He won of course. But that didn't stop me from taking pride in the fact that my Rhino had killed his Crisis Commander with the Iridium Gauntlet Warlord when he attempted a Death or Glory.
zilka86 wrote: Good thing my group us 18+ and we have some hard rules that you to go by to stay in the club . i have played kids once and never will again i think this game should be 18and up
Bit of a harsh generalisation. Most of the younger players I've gone up against are very mature, the stories presented here only represent a small majority.
zilka86 wrote: Good thing my group us 18+ and we have some hard rules that you to go by to stay in the club . i have played kids once and never will again i think this game should be 18and up
Bit of a harsh generalisation. Most of the younger players I've gone up against are very mature, the stories presented here only represent a small majority.
I've seen mature young'ins, and immature adults. Who is more mature - the 16 year old who loses half his army due to a single bad roll laughs and keeps playing or the 40 year old who loses a single Scout Marine and promptly rage quits and throws a tantrum?
The example that sticks out in my mind the most was Ard Boyz Finals 2011, the last game of the last Ard Boyz. I was playing against an accomplished tournament player with my DriagoWing. He played IG, first words out of his mouth were when I asked him what army he played "IG, I designed this list to kill Driagowing". My first impression, he was an ass. Then he griped about deployment zone, I had a single 12x4x1" wall in my entire zone, he had 4 times that. Either way, I deployed my entire army minus reserves behind the wall and out of site, poked their heads out, destroyed his major threats, and totally used cover and wound allocation rules to their full advantage which of course got me accused of cheating.
It was a KP Game and half way through the game I had already secured a Massacre, killed all of his threats and he was rage quitting. Accused me of using loaded dice, and a bunch of other unsportsmanlike behavior.
The next day day I found him complaining and bashing me on Dakka, created my account and made my first post here supplying picture evidence to make him look like a lieing ass.
The Massacre catapulted me to 3rd. It was a true massacre, he had the army to beat me but got out deployed, out played, and he cracked. After, I had been approached by four or five people that had encountered him on the tournament scene before who were coming up to me to thank me be fore beating him so badly and telling me their horror stories of playing against the guy. They hoped it would humble the guy. To his credit, he seems to have matured since.
It sticks out as the worst opponent I had played.
I did have another one at a local tournament two weeks back. A total pot head came without an army list, and took so long to play the game and showed so little understanding of the game that they called 20minutes left and we were on his turn, top of turn 3. He wanted to end the game after 3 turns, I refused and got forced through two more turns by getting the judges to let us play 5 and literally playing Tau Army in under 5 minutes Turn. The guy also had units I didn't even know existed being pulled out of the box as outflanking scouts, etc.
He then accused me of cheating because if his Land Speeder couldn't contest my objective my Riptide shouldn't be able to contest his. I think his words were, "Cheating Bastard." Most frustrating game by far.
Worst I've ever seen:
One of the local TFG's who had just gone out and bought a boatload of the new Grey Knights when their codex dropped last edition. He noticed the little 12 year old looking for a game, promptly agreed to play him... then found out Little Timmy played Daemons.
So TFG proceeded to put down a Quake-Shunt list with which to troll the poor kid.
Unfortunately, the GK's went first and very quickly covered pretty much the entire in Warp Quake bubble. When the Daemons tried to come down, TFG used his RAW "logic" in order to juggle the auto-misshaping Daemons between quake bubbles in order to either auto-destroy the units or kick them back into reserves.
The poor kid never even got to put a single one of his models on the table, meanwhile the GK player is going on about how cleaver he is with his "tactics" are and how Daemons are the absolute suck and Timmy should go buy a real army...
I have to give the kid super props though, you could see the tears starting to well-up in his eyes, but he managed to hold it in and didn't give the arse the satisfaction of seeing him cry.
Experiment 626 wrote: Worst I've ever seen:
One of the local TFG's who had just gone out and bought a boatload of the new Grey Knights when their codex dropped last edition. He noticed the little 12 year old looking for a game, promptly agreed to play him... then found out Little Timmy played Daemons.
So TFG proceeded to put down a Quake-Shunt list with which to troll the poor kid.
Unfortunately, the GK's went first and very quickly covered pretty much the entire in Warp Quake bubble. When the Daemons tried to come down, TFG used his RAW "logic" in order to juggle the auto-misshaping Daemons between quake bubbles in order to either auto-destroy the units or kick them back into reserves.
The poor kid never even got to put a single one of his models on the table, meanwhile the GK player is going on about how cleaver he is with his "tactics" are and how Daemons are the absolute suck and Timmy should go buy a real army...
I have to give the kid super props though, you could see the tears starting to well-up in his eyes, but he managed to hold it in and didn't give the arse the satisfaction of seeing him cry.
Luckily I've never had a bad experience, and I pray that I never give one either. The moment you forget that warhammer is just a game where you move bits of plastic around and roll dice is the day you take the game too seriously.
welshhoppo wrote: Luckily I've never had a bad experience, and I pray that I never give one either. The moment you forget that warhammer is just a game where you move bits of plastic around and roll dice is the day you take the game too seriously.
^^^ This. I've lost every single match I've played so far. I usually lose to the same guy and his deamons. Last week even lost a 2v2 match. I got into 40k because I like the challenge of painting and I had just read the first Soul Drinkers omnibus. Looking forward to my move to South Carolina, as there are more shops then where I am in Florida. I'm looking to expand my losing record to new states!!
Eh, I had a semi-moment back in a tournament a few months ago. I was tied for first going into the last round (the person I was tied with was a friend and fellow co-host on our podcast). I had a feeling I was going to need a tabling in order to pull out the victory.
I was playing Sisters and got them reduced to the last couple of guys in the last unit. The player was having them go to ground behind an Aegis Defense Line and he'd been declaring it every round. On the last round, he didn't declare it, rolled a 2 and a 3, resulting in the death of his last two guys. I cheered and he then said, "No, they went to ground".
I didn't scream and shout but I was pissed off. I knew what his intent was, but he didn't call it. It's a tournament...there are reasonable expectations that I explained, coldly, to him. In the end, I got too frustrated, said "eff it", and let him keep the two guys alive.
There was a sizable difference between the first and second place price and I just knew that his insistence would cost me.
Normally, I'm pretty objective when it comes to tournament play. I let people go back and move units that they forgot, shoot with units they forgot to, even if their turn ended, and generally treat them as friendly games.
I was quite dismayed to realize just how much of a douche I was...it's not the type of player I am. I know, I know...it's a tournament, but it was a smaller tournament at our FLGS.
I went and found the dude. He was actually upset that he'd upset me. I apologized and told him that I shouldn't have been such an ass and that it was a well played game.
As it turned out, I won the tournament anyway. Fortunately, that guy is now a regular part of our gaming group and we've moved past it.
I ended up with a couple boxes of Raptors and some paint for that win...I still need to assemble 5 of those guys.
Luckily i don't have too many immature people around. but the worst, which isn't really that bad, was when i played this chaos guy who is known for throwing dice and getting mad when he starts losing, and one day he brings out a mauler fiend. i promptly blow it up and he proceeds to smash it as bits and pieces fall off.
I freak out then he promptly puts it back together. he had magnetized EVERYTHING. pretty sneaky.
Tzeentch player who started calling me "Dice toucher" and mumbled and complained all F'ing game because I rolled one of his (probably loaded, for who the hell else makes a big deal out of it the REST of the GAME) die for Night Fight or something and i never heard the end of it. Decided I'd table him just out of spite. He really was unpleasant. I even offered to end the game if it was that upsetting to him.
gossipmeng wrote: Oh Zagman, I read your first posts you mentioned. Shut that guy up pretty quick lol
Lol, apparently you can view my entire post history. Pretty cool.
But, TBH the guy seems to be much better now a days and has grown. After the 1.5 year hiatus I took I hope to run into him again, he is a damn tough tournament player.
dementedwombat wrote: The thing that really annoys me though is when people just keep bragging about how awesome their army is. There's one Tau player and one Tyranid player who are kind of the "power gamer" types, and they will literally just walk up to you and start taking about how awesome their flying hive tyrant/riptides are and how much stuff they killed with them last game.
This iratates me so much, I may make some minor comment about how much I love X unit then they'll step up and say "Oh yeah well x unit from my codex will beat the snot out of it". What is funny is when two of these people meet and they spend half an hour one upping eachother.
Ascalam wrote: I had a kid (about 15) do the following a few years back:
1/: complain to the store owner that i wasn't using GW models (I was running old-school DE, this was before the update) and should be banned.
It is a FLGS not a GW store, so this didn't fly.
I can understand that he didn't recognize them, as they last had an update before he was potty trained (at the time) and weren't stocked anywhere.
2/: Argue that my codex was a fake, as it was so old-looking and none of the pics inside 'looked like 40k' - (see above) - i patiently explained that DE were still an army, and this was the most current codex available.
3/: Pitch an absolute wobbler when my Dark Lances ignored his AV 14 (I guess he never played vs CWE either?) claiming i was cheating.
4/: Ragequit when his 5 man assault marine squad got owned HARD by my Archon before they even got to swing (if i'm remembering right).
Quote 'They are marines! Read the *bleep* books, Play DOW. Marines are better than everyone at everything, so they can't lose. No way even one marine would lose to one guy.'
Embarrassing to be around, worse to play. Spent the rest of the day quoting passages from BL and the 5th ed rulebook that made his UM look good and shooting me dirty looks. He also had a bad habit of calling everything he disliked 'gay' and dropping f-bombs every third word, which got old fast...
Thankfully that was the last time i saw him.
Ugh, I hate how all the teenagers do this... It took me 3 months to get to the point where I was accepted at my FLGS/club, the last teen who showed up did that kind of thing. It does sort of bother me though how people always start with a negative view on kids/teens playing 40k.
Me and my ex were looking at models and our gw is quote small, it was a crowded and and i say bettween us we got a kid once in a while (we're not madly rich so we would buy a big kit maybe once every few months) anyway, this 9 or 10 year old boy comes though waving 50 pound notes (and i mean a wad of them) and goes" GET OUT OF MY WAY, I WANT TOO BUY MY MODEL"
this boy was on his own...i dont understand how kids do't get robbed...at his age i had my bike stolen by a street game and he was holding at least 500 pounds in his hand.
Me and my ex were looking at models and our gw is quote small, it was a crowded and and i say bettween us we got a kid once in a while (we're not madly rich so we would buy a big kit maybe once every few months) anyway, this 9 or 10 year old boy comes though waving 50 pound notes (and i mean a wad of them) and goes" GET OUT OF MY WAY, I WANT TOO BUY MY MODEL"
this boy was on his own...i dont understand how kids do't get robbed...at his age i had my bike stolen by a street game and he was holding at least 500 pounds in his hand.
Jeez where did that kid manage to get 500 pounds?
Also, I'm surprised somebody didn't mug him right then and there when he was flashing his money everywhere like he is a high roller or something
The example that sticks out in my mind the most was Ard Boyz Finals 2011, the last game of the last Ard Boyz. I was playing against an accomplished tournament player with my DriagoWing. He played IG, first words out of his mouth were when I asked him what army he played "IG, I designed this list to kill Driagowing". My first impression, he was an ass. Then he griped about deployment zone, I had a single 12x4x1" wall in my entire zone, he had 4 times that. Either way, I deployed my entire army minus reserves behind the wall and out of site, poked their heads out, destroyed his major threats, and totally used cover and wound allocation rules to their full advantage which of course got me accused of cheating.
It was a KP Game and half way through the game I had already secured a Massacre, killed all of his threats and he was rage quitting. Accused me of using loaded dice, and a bunch of other unsportsmanlike behavior.
The next day day I found him complaining and bashing me on Dakka, created my account and made my first post here supplying picture evidence to make him look like a lieing ass.
The Massacre catapulted me to 3rd. It was a true massacre, he had the army to beat me but got out deployed, out played, and he cracked. After, I had been approached by four or five people that had encountered him on the tournament scene before who were coming up to me to thank me be fore beating him so badly and telling me their horror stories of playing against the guy. They hoped it would humble the guy. To his credit, he seems to have matured since.
It sticks out as the worst opponent I had played.
I did have another one at a local tournament two weeks back. A total pot head came without an army list, and took so long to play the game and showed so little understanding of the game that they called 20minutes left and we were on his turn, top of turn 3. He wanted to end the game after 3 turns, I refused and got forced through two more turns by getting the judges to let us play 5 and literally playing Tau Army in under 5 minutes Turn. The guy also had units I didn't even know existed being pulled out of the box as outflanking scouts, etc.
He then accused me of cheating because if his Land Speeder couldn't contest my objective my Riptide shouldn't be able to contest his. I think his words were, "Cheating Bastard." Most frustrating game by far.
haha, I just went and read that first post. So great... In eve online, we drink those tears to stay young/
I only play friends and family. I like to watch people i don't know play however i'm new to the hobby and don't feel im ready to face another. Nor am i interested at this point. Though even with friends those odd moments similar to these do come up.
Experiment 626 wrote: Worst I've ever seen:
One of the local TFG's who had just gone out and bought a boatload of the new Grey Knights when their codex dropped last edition. He noticed the little 12 year old looking for a game, promptly agreed to play him... then found out Little Timmy played Daemons.
So TFG proceeded to put down a Quake-Shunt list with which to troll the poor kid.
Unfortunately, the GK's went first and very quickly covered pretty much the entire in Warp Quake bubble. When the Daemons tried to come down, TFG used his RAW "logic" in order to juggle the auto-misshaping Daemons between quake bubbles in order to either auto-destroy the units or kick them back into reserves.
The poor kid never even got to put a single one of his models on the table, meanwhile the GK player is going on about how cleaver he is with his "tactics" are and how Daemons are the absolute suck and Timmy should go buy a real army...
I have to give the kid super props though, you could see the tears starting to well-up in his eyes, but he managed to hold it in and didn't give the arse the satisfaction of seeing him cry.
This has happened to me twice with my older Daemons armies, at the hands of two separate GK players. To my credit, I didn't cry either time. To the credit of GK #2, he at least bought me a beer afterwards
Me and my ex were looking at models and our gw is quote small, it was a crowded and and i say bettween us we got a kid once in a while (we're not madly rich so we would buy a big kit maybe once every few months) anyway, this 9 or 10 year old boy comes though waving 50 pound notes (and i mean a wad of them) and goes" GET OUT OF MY WAY, I WANT TOO BUY MY MODEL"
this boy was on his own...i dont understand how kids do't get robbed...at his age i had my bike stolen by a street game and he was holding at least 500 pounds in his hand.
Jeez where did that kid manage to get 500 pounds?
Also, I'm surprised somebody didn't mug him right then and there when he was flashing his money everywhere like he is a high roller or something
His mother, in my local therea a few kids like that, once i saw a guy (before the codex landed) clear an entire shelf of tau on a late evening. After he had gone the shopkeeper said "that paid for my entire months rent" plus he had made no sales other than a paint i needed. Why these stupid people give these kids money is beyond me. When i started i got 5 pounds a week for pokeylt money, i would buy a space marine bike with it. Slowly i built up a little army, but a few months aho i saw a kid doing the same burst into tears when the racist guy who i mentioned call him "poor" and said his salamander's were a rubbish chapter (i wonder why...) extra irony too since he only plays smerfs!
Im really lucky in this regard, my hobby store in hong kong has a great community and even though some of the other players their dont speak much english we all get along great and have loads of fun. I even dont mid playing the blood angels player because hes so nice, and as an ork player BA normally make me want to curl up into a ball and die
Me and my ex were looking at models and our gw is quote small, it was a crowded and and i say bettween us we got a kid once in a while (we're not madly rich so we would buy a big kit maybe once every few months) anyway, this 9 or 10 year old boy comes though waving 50 pound notes (and i mean a wad of them) and goes" GET OUT OF MY WAY, I WANT TOO BUY MY MODEL"
this boy was on his own...i dont understand how kids do't get robbed...at his age i had my bike stolen by a street game and he was holding at least 500 pounds in his hand.
Jeez where did that kid manage to get 500 pounds?
Also, I'm surprised somebody didn't mug him right then and there when he was flashing his money everywhere like he is a high roller or something
His mother, in my local therea a few kids like that, once i saw a guy (before the codex landed) clear an entire shelf of tau on a late evening. After he had gone the shopkeeper said "that paid for my entire months rent" plus he had made no sales other than a paint i needed. Why these stupid people give these kids money is beyond me. When i started i got 5 pounds a week for pokeylt money, i would buy a space marine bike with it. Slowly i built up a little army, but a few months aho i saw a kid doing the same burst into tears when the racist guy who i mentioned call him "poor" and said his salamander's were a rubbish chapter (i wonder why...) extra irony too since he only plays smerfs!
It certainly is a different world today isn't it? While at a mall recently I overheard a conversation between a girl & her brother. Both of who were likely between 10-15. No parents in sight. Boy asked for money, girl replied she only had $2,500 saved up.
???
Who are these kids? Better yet who are their parents? Politicians? Hell, when I was growing up I was lucky to see a dime from my parents. I remember when we had our driveway done with rocks I was told to pick all the discolored rocks out of the lot. Took 4 6-8 hour days as a kid. In return, $1.00. Monthly allowance was $4.00 for taking out trash everyday, doing dishes, mowing lawn, & laundry.
My worst experience has been similar to others that have posted here. We have a player who has absolutely no focus. After each of his turns he leaves the table & wanders around. Recently he left the store for about 30 minutes & came back. While it is very irritating, this individual has a mental disorder so most try to be understanding about it.
I'm not sure you would label this as "immature" exactly, but the guys at my old FLGS did instate some house rules that stated that Reanimation Protocols didn't apply if the model was instant deathed (did I mention that as soon as they implemented that rule, one of them immediately ran an army chock full of strength 8?) and that models inside of a downed Night Scythe took damage as if they were in any other flying transport.
Don't get me started on the constant Matt Ward hate every time my army did anything right.
Blackhair Duckshape wrote: I'm not sure you would label this as "immature" exactly, but the guys at my old FLGS did instate some house rules that stated that Reanimation Protocols didn't apply if the model was instant deathed (did I mention that as soon as they implemented that rule, one of them immediately ran an army chock full of strength 8?) and that models inside of a downed Night Scythe took damage as if they were in any other flying transport.
Don't get me started on the constant Matt Ward hate every time my army did anything right.
If that's the case ypu shoild have just housruped the RP to be like the old 3rd ed RP
I had a friend playing epic old school edition against a new guy playing all space marines. In epic you really couldn't play a pure space marine army and be super effective. My friend was beating the living tar out of this guy and yelling as he rolled some bad dice rolls. Looking from the outside the guy was getting demolished and being really nice about it while the other guy was complaining and throwing dice around the room.
We never saw that guy again. Our friend ran him off. I miss the old version of epic.
I have run into my fair share of the types mentioned, but one that gets under my skin is what I call the easy button power gamer. He is only happy if he can roll up and delete your units. He won't really shoot or attack anything unless he can ignore armor. In even match ups I can usually out play this guy because his only tactic is kill. If I start to beat him in a game he starts to throw a tantrum and complain that its because my list and units are broken and not my generalship, but he is a wise tactician for bringing an OP Net List .
tau tse tung wrote: *update* The guy (who is a father may i add) befriended many of the 14 to 16 year olds (that age) and one of them was a boy who would openly make racial remarks. Now on dakka i have posted my chinese themed army and got good feedback, even from formor US army vets. But this kid never let go my army was a "Dirty red" army and make horrible racist jokes like "his guard cant see" etc and would even make them with this old bloke.
I happen to know a total nutjob of a guy who thinks of 40k as some sort of training/analogy for the coming racial holy war, Orks being blacks-muslims, Eldar jews, Tau chinese, Chaos atheists/satanists, marxists and liberals. Of course, in his view of things the Imperium is the great, beleaguered white race and Space Marines, most obviously, our white aryan national-socialist saviors and overlords (He plays blood angels/C:SM, for what matters). Thing is, he knows the game rather well and is mature enough not to cheat. Actually, he's not a bad guy to have a game against, unless anyone touches on his idiocic racial and political fetishes, in which case he goes full ramblomatic. My friends usually do that on purpose
I'll have to ask him what he thinks of Necrons and Tyranids, btw
I happen to know a total nutjob of a guy who thinks of 40k as some sort of training/analogy for the coming racial holy war, Orks being blacks-muslims, Eldar jews, Tau chinese, Chaos atheists/satanists, marxists and liberals. Of course, in his view of things the Imperium is the great, beleaguered white race and Space Marines, most obviously, our white aryan national-socialist saviors and overlords (He plays blood angels/C:SM, for what matters). Thing is, he knows the game rather well and is mature enough not to cheat. Actually, he's not a bad guy to have a game against, unless anyone touches on his idiocic racial and political fetishes, in which case he goes full ramblomatic. My friends usually do that on purpose
I'll have to ask him what he thinks of Necrons and Tyranids, btw
I happen to know a total nutjob of a guy who thinks of 40k as some sort of training/analogy for the coming racial holy war, Orks being blacks-muslims, Eldar jews, Tau chinese, Chaos atheists/satanists, marxists and liberals. Of course, in his view of things the Imperium is the great, beleaguered white race and Space Marines, most obviously, our white aryan national-socialist saviors and overlords (He plays blood angels/C:SM, for what matters). Thing is, he knows the game rather well and is mature enough not to cheat. Actually, he's not a bad guy to have a game against, unless anyone touches on his idiocic racial and political fetishes, in which case he goes full ramblomatic. My friends usually do that on purpose
I'll have to ask him what he thinks of Necrons and Tyranids, btw
Dare I ask his thoughts on SoB?
Good, obedient Christian conservative women relegated to the metaphorical kitchen by not getting plastic models and only having a White Dwarf army list?
But, oh no! Feminist scum from the Black Library are trying to give them a more equal place in the game!
I happen to know a total nutjob of a guy who thinks of 40k as some sort of training/analogy for the coming racial holy war, Orks being blacks-muslims, Eldar jews, Tau chinese, Chaos atheists/satanists, marxists and liberals. Of course, in his view of things the Imperium is the great, beleaguered white race and Space Marines, most obviously, our white aryan national-socialist saviors and overlords (He plays blood angels/C:SM, for what matters). Thing is, he knows the game rather well and is mature enough not to cheat. Actually, he's not a bad guy to have a game against, unless anyone touches on his idiocic racial and political fetishes, in which case he goes full ramblomatic. My friends usually do that on purpose
I'll have to ask him what he thinks of Necrons and Tyranids, btw
Dare I ask his thoughts on SoB?
Good, obedient Christian conservative women relegated to the metaphorical kitchen by not getting plastic models and only having a White Dwarf army list?
But, oh no! Feminist scum from the Black Library are trying to give them a more equal place in the game!
Black Library Feminists? With writing such as this?
Spoiler:
Gunnlaugur snorted, his nostrils flaring. He looked pensive. ‘Your troops can’t kill it,’ he said.
De Chatelaine nodded. ‘I know. I hope yours can.’
Gunnlaugur didn’t smile that time, which surprised Bajola. Until then, his casual confidence had seemed inexhaustible.
We can kill anything,’ he said. ‘That’s what we do.’
Had a moment last tournament that I am not to proud about, however I will admit I kept it under wraps pretty well. Basicall I got TRASHED this tournament, first game against Necrons was against a newer Necron player and he accidently slow played me with the game ending on turn 3. I was not mad at that point since he was a new player, however the next game and third is what really did it for me. I played a Ravenwing Bike army and for the life of me my Plasma guns not once, not twice but 6 times rolled snake eyes ! That and he was making his jink saves left and right did not help the issue. Visually I appeared a little annoyed and maybe a little frustrated but kept it cool. The third game...lets just say Drop Pod Army + Amazing rolling by his entire army (Sternguard, Dev Centurions) = army except reserves wiped out turn one. I will admit I was pretty annoyed, however wished him a good game and packed up my stuff. Afterwards I made sure to find him and apologize if I seemed to angry, he said he understood the frustration so no harm no foul, however I threw those dice out!
The worst I ever played against was a ex-Marine who would bring in his wife along to watch his games. Now before we knew all the facts, his wife had a weird habit of staring at other players in the store for reasons we did not know. Turns out he was abusing and hitting his wife at home and it was her way of asking for help. After one game where my Steel Legion (at the time) defeated his Cadians in a well and hard fought game. After brushing off my handshake and angrily saying how Mech IG was cheese and I was a stupid army bastard he packed up and left for the parking lot, his wife in tow. While watching out the window we saw his wife try to calm him down, where he promptly dropped his stuff, turned around and slapped her as hard as he could across her face. In 10 seconds I was out the door slamming my hand into his throat and smashing his ribs and before I knew it my buddies were dragging me off of him. Needless to say, his wife divorced him and he was not seen around the store for a few years. Recently he has come back for tournaments only but so far he has made sure to not catch my eye.
If we're all familiar with kids who go to games workshop with dreadknight spam, i mentioned how the dreadknights look odd, as they nearly represent a baby carrier. And my face was dearly complimented, as my face apparently looks like a baby carrier.
Probably the most irritating thing for me are damn kids who "misinterpret" the rules. -.- Bloody GK powergamers. One last thing. DAMN YOUTHS AND THEIR HELDRAKES
Automatically Appended Next Post: Mind you i seem pretty lucky, my GM community are pretty awesome aside from a pair of asshat kids, there are even females at my store :O
Probably not the sort of 'worst moment' the thread is referring to, but about a month ago I was giving a demo game to this 10 year old at the club. While I was doing so, a guy who had brought O&G for me to buy went and sold them to someone else. I was... not impressed to say the least, especially since teaching this kid wasn't my responsibility - someone else said he'd do it but never bothered so the kid was just sitting there for like an hour and I took pity on him.
Dakkamite wrote: Probably not the sort of 'worst moment' the thread is referring to, but about a month ago I was giving a demo game to this 10 year old at the club. While I was doing so, a guy who had brought O&G for me to buy went and sold them to someone else. I was... not impressed to say the least, especially since teaching this kid wasn't my responsibility - someone else said he'd do it but never bothered so the kid was just sitting there for like an hour and I took pity on him.
Still that was a good part on you. I know the feeling when i was a kid looking at all these cool models and no one paying me any attention.
To the guy that beat up the other guy for hitting his wife, thank you for doing that.
Ive only been in the hobby for a year and thankfully there has been no bad apples. I mostly refuse games against more competitive players but even if i did play them, they would be more than helpful in correcting my mistakes or give tips on how i can beat them in the middle of the game. Now the ugly times are when we play into the evening. With no flgs We play at a local sports bar in the afternoon. When games go long and the evening crowd comes in, we get drunks from the bar coming over to the activity/dinner hall and you can just imagine all sorts of characters talking smack or trying to be funny. It was just really annoying.
To the guy that beat up the other guy for hitting his wife, thank you for doing that.
Not a problem and anytime, I was a bouncer for 8 years at local clubs and concerts and being in the Army, I just felt I had to defend her honor. No respect for cowards or scumbags, only thing I miss about being a bouncer is taking out the trash like that
One of my best friends is a fine player, but mostly focuses on modeling, painting, and fluff. While this is not a problem in and of itself, he will go so far as to decide that certain weapons don't fit the ethos of his army (e.g. - his army is Vietnam-era marine themed, and his devs only use MLs and HBs). Again, still fine. But, he will sometimes apply his aesthetics to other people's armies, meaning that he will quietly judge others for use of, say, grav guns and melta weapons. Furthermore, when his self-imposed restrictions cause him to go on losing streaks, he can get very despondent. I've seen him destroy his own models and ragequit games on multiple occasions.
That being said, my tendency to list-tailor and field unpainted models drove him to stop playing me temporarily. While I don't consider myself a WAAC player, I certainly play to win, and I really enjoy competitive play. I can gloat a bit when curb-stomping someone, and when I try to bite it down, sometimes I'll just smile a big sh*t-eating grin as I roll back-to-back 6s against that LR. If I was super into painting and spent a lot of time on it, I'd be pissed off as well if someone subbed out their painted Killa Kans for unpainted... whatever... just because it was better for that game. And I'd be doubly pissed if that lump of plastic took out a lovingly-painted model.
I think that it's okay that we have differences; our friendship survived, and we influenced each other positively - he became more seriously competitive, and I field entirely painted armies whenever possible. But some of those "differences" between players are probably legitimate faults preventing us from being perfect players. I wonder how many of us posting here have given someone the worst game of 40k they have ever played? Or at least somehow pushed a decent guy or gal to act like a complete monster over a toy soldier game?
tl;dr: A lot of us are good people who occasionally do outrageous things. I've seen great friends act like total jerks, and I'm sure my behavior has contributed to others' outbursts sometimes. Crappy behavior usually stems from a lack of self-awareness. How self aware are you?
I have found that kids and powergamers tend to bend the rules, throwing more dice than they should, fitting more units into their army than the points limit allows (not expecting people to check), blatantly making up rules or changing definitions, basically trying to win at all costs by pulling rules and models out their ass.
This is mostly either the really young kids or the "that guy" of the store who finds the need to cheat at a friendly game.
gmaleron wrote: While watching out the window we saw his wife try to calm him down, where he promptly dropped his stuff, turned around and slapped her as hard as he could across her face. In 10 seconds I was out the door slamming my hand into his throat and smashing his ribs and before I knew it my buddies were dragging me off of him. Needless to say, his wife divorced him and he was not seen around the store for a few years. Recently he has come back for tournaments only but so far he has made sure to not catch my eye.
Bully to you for sticking up for a woman you didn't really know. Guys that like that make me want to puke. Super tough guy has to beat on his wife or kids to feel manly.
zilka86 wrote: I had a guy in 5ed pull out a pistol and shot aopponents 2 landraiders because for 5 truns the just would not die
Now I question the safety of being in your gaming group... I hope that individual was charged/arrested? If you get that angry over a game of toy soldiers that you use a lethal weapon against the toy soldiers, I would not feel safe if he was allowed to stick around...
Yay Canadian gun laws!
As I play only my one opponent, I can't really add anything to the discussion, but that's absurd.
zilka86 wrote: Good thing my group us 18+ and we have some hard rules that you to go by to stay in the club . i have played kids once and never will again i think this game should be 18and up
So how about them nebulous number of armies there?
In any case, I've generally been lucky to avoid anything more than somebody sweeping his hands over my models to knock them down and scatter them jokingly after losing and giving me the "what now?" gesture, nothing was damaged and it was generally in good fun. Now some people would have been upset by that but I'm not really going to lose my temper over a game.
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zilka86 wrote: I had a guy in 5ed pull out a pistol and shot aopponents 2 landraiders because for 5 truns the just would not die
tau tse tung wrote: *update* The guy (who is a father may i add) befriended many of the 14 to 16 year olds (that age) and one of them was a boy who would openly make racial remarks. Now on dakka i have posted my chinese themed army and got good feedback, even from formor US army vets. But this kid never let go my army was a "Dirty red" army and make horrible racist jokes like "his guard cant see" etc and would even make them with this old bloke.
I happen to know a total nutjob of a guy who thinks of 40k as some sort of training/analogy for the coming racial holy war, Orks being blacks-muslims, Eldar jews, Tau chinese, Chaos atheists/satanists, marxists and liberals. Of course, in his view of things the Imperium is the great, beleaguered white race and Space Marines, most obviously, our white aryan national-socialist saviors and overlords (He plays blood angels/C:SM, for what matters). Thing is, he knows the game rather well and is mature enough not to cheat. Actually, he's not a bad guy to have a game against, unless anyone touches on his idiocic racial and political fetishes, in which case he goes full ramblomatic. My friends usually do that on purpose
I'll have to ask him what he thinks of Necrons and Tyranids, btw
ClockworkZion wrote: Congrats on being mature enough to recognize your failings and own up to them kcwm! Also kudos are due to you for playing Sisters!
My opponent was playing them. I'm a CSM player.
Interestingly enough, if I had to start a new army, it'd either be Eldar (from pre 6th edition fascination) or SoB.
ClockworkZion wrote: Congrats on being mature enough to recognize your failings and own up to them kcwm! Also kudos are due to you for playing Sisters!
My opponent was playing them. I'm a CSM player.
Interestingly enough, if I had to start a new army, it'd either be Eldar (from pre 6th edition fascination) or SoB.
Fair enough, I misunderstood your initial post. Sisters are reasonably fun, but I wouldn't recommend them due to cost right now.
it was on a tournament, i played against a kid and his mother was sitting behind him. He throwed his scatterdice for templates on the other side of the table than the targets are, and is then trying to "but the template actually hits 8 of your boyz while in reality it was just near the squad. After a discussion I said, ok, you can have'm, a bit disgusted.
2 weeks later, i found out in our local store that he was telling everyone i cheated on him and i'm the worst player and so on.
I am a new gamer and have never played a game in my life, so I hope you dont think it presumptuous of me to post here.
having read most of the posts here I am astonished and horrified that some of this actually happens and can only appreciate then patience thatsome people are forced to show because of the iinconsiderate actions of others.
I am sure that in the future I kay curse my luck as the die roll against me, afterall die are fickle masters, but may I never display any of the behaviour mentioned here.
I have a friend who used to play basic vanilla marines. He's famous for two things: 1) cheating (which we tolerate because he loses anyway) and 2) extremely risking deep strikes. One night he goes for a deep strike in the blank space between three of my CSM squads, using Marneus Calgar and 10 TH/SS termies. As you can imagine, he mishapped when he scattered a single inch.
The real fun though came moments later. He began arguing with me that he hadn't mishapped because one of his terminators was only slightly touching one of my models. When I told him that that meant a deep strike mishap, he then began to argue that the models weren't touching at all (which was ludicrous, since you could just look and see them were, zero room for interpretation). Are you ready for the zinger?
Here it comes.
I called another buddy over to make the obvious call that the models were touching. The cheater then pretended to "accidentally knock over all his terminators, in addition to the squad he had scattered into, and then say "ooh sorry whoops, I guess we should just roll off for it?" It didn't even look natural. I still look back on that and laugh.
Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
Every time a thread like this pops up, it reminds me why I don't go out of my way to find 40k players in my area. I'd rather not go alone to an LGS or other public venue if I even suspected there might be players there like the ones described in this thread.
Much better to go and play with groups of friends than risk some of the shenanigans in these stories, as far as I'm concerned.
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
Yeah, how dare they, it is not like women like being competitive, thats why there are no female athletes. It is also not women dont like to be creative.
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
It's funny how alot of players (specially the young) hide in their rulebooks to search stats they know out of head, as soon as my GF pops up to say "hello, i'm back from shopping, now i go to that place"
Just last Saturday, we were doing a doubles tournament with random partners each game. I played Wolves and first game I got paired with a Grey Knights player and we went up against IG and Ravenguard and playing Kill Points. I happened to do really good and we won the game. The IG player put his stuff away, put on his jacket and left the building without saying a word. We all thought he might have rage-quitted.
A few minutes later he came back in pretty cool though. I got paired with him next game and we won that game.
Worste moment for me is pretty timid conpared to the horror stories on this thread.
I was playing my RCDI crons vs a tau player for first place in a tourney amd during my turns my opponent would start chatting me up and distracting me and during his turns he would be completely silent except for declaring what he was doing and would then continue the conversation right after his turn was over, even when I tried continuing the convo he was completely silent or would mumble a quick response. Needless to say it caused a couple of mistakes on my side and most likely cost me the game
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
Yeah, how dare they, it is not like women like being competitive, thats why there are no female athletes. It is also not women dont like to be creative.
One of the best players we have at our store is a woman, and SHE's the one that organizes the tournaments.
We have a few Immature players at my FLGS. for 40k, one can be winning, but the moment ANYTHING goes wrong he rage quits, with extra rage. like his 10man termie squad arriving, failing to kill more than 3 boyz from a 30 model unit, and then said unit killing 7 of the termies with shooting.
or (5th ed) firing at a trukk with autocannons (or whatever termies have that can rend/is ap2) and getting 3 pens, than rolling 1 1 1 for the results. (still blew the trukk up.
the worst of the immaturity is actually amongst our MTG players. one of whom works in the oilfields, and thus has alot of spending cash, but not much time to spend it (2 weeks on, 2 weeks off schedule) so he netdecks, and plays against the newbie players and lords it over them that he can afford to tailor his deck card by card. come tournament time, if he is around he enters, and typically is in the lower half of the loser bracket.
the rest of the immature MTG players are just kids who don't have a firm grasp on the rules.
Algorithm wrote: I have a friend who used to play basic vanilla marines. He's famous for two things: 1) cheating (which we tolerate because he loses anyway) and 2) extremely risking deep strikes. One night he goes for a deep strike in the blank space between three of my CSM squads, using Marneus Calgar and 10 TH/SS termies. As you can imagine, he mishapped when he scattered a single inch.
I hate it when people are doing that, part of me wants to step in and tell them that is a bad idea and suggest a much better thing to do but than the other part of me wants to say nothing because I would hate someone telling me what I should be doing.
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
Algorithm wrote: I have a friend who used to play basic vanilla marines. He's famous for two things: 1) cheating (which we tolerate because he loses anyway) and 2) extremely risking deep strikes. One night he goes for a deep strike in the blank space between three of my CSM squads, using Marneus Calgar and 10 TH/SS termies. As you can imagine, he mishapped when he scattered a single inch.
I hate it when people are doing that, part of me wants to step in and tell them that is a bad idea and suggest a much better thing to do but than the other part of me wants to say nothing because I would hate someone telling me what I should be doing.
I used to do this with suicide Flamer squads with my daemons. If it worked, I'd kill hundreds of points of my opponent's good stuff. If it failed, I lost 100 points. It was prior to the update daemons got before this newest codex. Then again, I'm not stupid enough to do it with a 600 pt squad!!
My local gaming group has its home in a squat. We meet normally after 19 oclock so we thought were somewhat safe.
Couple of weeks ago someone contacted us via our forum and wanted to come around for a game or two looking for a place to celebrate his hobby. He also asked if he could bring his 3 year old daughter with him. Our answer was that our clubs playing room is located in a squat and that its maybe not a good idea to bring a child from that age with him. Its not like we dont want children there but its somewhat dirty (at least the toilets) - its a punk-bar normally afterall.
After telling that to him he proceeded to insult and spam on our forums to tell us we're heartless children-hating people.
That was the most immature moment - other than that i mostly drink the tears of my opponents and they are much much sweeter when they act a little childish. Nevertheless i enjoy playing with everyone inour club luckily.
I happen to know a total nutjob of a guy who thinks of 40k as some sort of training/analogy for the coming racial holy war, Orks being blacks-muslims, Eldar jews, Tau chinese, Chaos atheists/satanists, marxists and liberals. Of course, in his view of things the Imperium is the great, beleaguered white race and Space Marines, most obviously, our white aryan national-socialist saviors and overlords (He plays blood angels/C:SM, for what matters). Thing is, he knows the game rather well and is mature enough not to cheat. Actually, he's not a bad guy to have a game against, unless anyone touches on his idiocic racial and political fetishes, in which case he goes full ramblomatic. My friends usually do that on purpose
I'll have to ask him what he thinks of Necrons and Tyranids, btw
Dare I ask his thoughts on SoB?
They need to get back in the kitchen and put those flamers to use making him pie.
I will admit, there is a lot of temptation to the image of getting home after a long day of keeping those uppity others down and being greeted with a freshly flamered pie.
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sing your life wrote: Once I was playing against this 12 year old at a club and he kept making up rules even though he had the codex.
I played a 42 year old guy like that once. Twas bizarre.
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
It's funny how alot of players (specially the young) hide in their rulebooks to search stats they know out of head, as soon as my GF pops up to say "hello, i'm back from shopping, now i go to that place"
woman in GW store, must be tainted by chaos!
Haha I hear you on this. My gf came in once and the whole store was like in awe of a female in a gw store.
I didn't think females were that rare of a sight at 40k events. We have a few women who play at my FLGS, and a few more who bring models in for painting day but don't play the game.
zilka86 wrote: I didn't think woman play 40k i be in shock if i saw one
With a game played by this many it's rather inevitable that you'll have quite an array of demographics playing it. It's not a game solely enjoyed by male WASPs after all. I mean, I'm male but am a white slavic atheist.
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
It's funny how alot of players (specially the young) hide in their rulebooks to search stats they know out of head, as soon as my GF pops up to say "hello, i'm back from shopping, now i go to that place"
woman in GW store, must be tainted by chaos!
Haha I hear you on this. My gf came in once and the whole store was like in awe of a female in a gw store.
Lol. The last time my fiance came to a tournament with me a guy literally attempted a triple take and plowed into a display rack. She found it quite funny. Women in gaming stores are quite a rarity around here. I know I've never had a female opponent.
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
Surely you jest?
No, I'm not jesting. I ran in to more than one person like this. Not so long ago, someone posted a thread in this very forum that was a rant along these lines.
There is a very noticeable (from my viewpoint as a woman) undercurrent of misogyny in gaming culture; 40k is no exception. Generally most people are nice. But there's still always That One Arsehole in a group.
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
Surely you jest?
No, I'm not jesting. I ran in to more than one person like this. Not so long ago, someone posted a thread in this very forum that was a rant along these lines.
There is a very noticeable (from my viewpoint as a woman) undercurrent of misogyny in gaming culture; 40k is no exception. Generally most people are nice. But there's still always That One Arsehole in a group.
zilka86 wrote: I didn't think woman play 40k i be in shock if i saw one
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Half of my Dark Heresy group is female players, very much into the lore and the setting.
One thing I've noticed, though, is that it's much more difficult for a woman to be "out and proud" about her fandoms. Where as we guys can wear the t-shirts, the hoodies, the hats, the backpacks, the whatevers of any given fandom... whether 40K, an anime series, a cartoon, Star Wars, Star Trek, *whatever*... without much of a problem, if a woman wears any of this, if they get into a conversation about the fandom property, they have to be 100% correct on every little tiny detail or they get branded as "not a real fan". Whether that's knowing every secret identity, every costume color and change, and the name of ever minor side-kick of a superhero over the past 75 years (as well as the issue numbers in which those things appear!), or being able to ramble off the model and manufacturer of every starship to ever appear in any Star Wars product ever released, there seems to be a *much* higher level of expectations placed on female fans than ever there are on male fans.
And this does not even get into the reactions that I've seen female fans get at conventions and events. For some reason, a significant portion (not sure if majority or just vocal minority) seem to believe that a female fan who is cosplaying one of the characters exists solely to provide sexual gratification to That Guy. However, if the female cosplayer does not perfectly match the humanly-impossible measurements of a given anime or comic book character, well, that's when the real problems start. Males in a given fandom are almost certainly *not* some utopian ideal of masculine imagery. Put bluntly, a lot of male fans are fat and slovenly, and many have poor hygiene habits. Given that, it is *not* OK for a male fan to tell a woman dressed as some character or another that she's fat, a cow, a whale, or any other derogatory expression, unless you also want to have random strangers coming up to you at the con and telling him he's fat, dressed badly, looks like a fething slob, needed to shower a week ago, needs to take care of that acne problem, shave that sorry-ass excuse for a beard... well, you get my drift.
Sorry to rant, it's just a problem I've had with the nature of fandoms and, specifically, sci-fi fandoms for quite awhile now. The only real exception to this, that I've seen, has been the Star Trek fandom, though that might have the benefit of having been around longer than any of the others.
One guy I played against really annoyed me. The list I was running included a Contemptor-Mortis for AA support and to pop transports. I asked before we began deploying whether he was alright with me using Forge World. He agreed to let me, but as soon as I put the Mortis down he started complaining about how OP the Mortis was, and didn't stop for the entire game. He didn't even have any flyers
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
Surely you jest?
No, I'm not jesting. I ran in to more than one person like this. Not so long ago, someone posted a thread in this very forum that was a rant along these lines.
There is a very noticeable (from my viewpoint as a woman) undercurrent of misogyny in gaming culture; 40k is no exception. Generally most people are nice. But there's still always That One Arsehole in a group.
That person sucks regardless of whether or not you're a woman :p Its just an easy target for donkey-caves to aim at
There was this one guy at the old GW I used to go to when I was younger who refused to play me on the grounds that my SM army had a stupid colour scheme. I kid you not the guy did not like black, brown and yellow. :p The same guy told me using my FW Hydra (I was playing IG by now) was illegal in a GW and he tried to get me banned.
zilka86 wrote: Good thing my group us 18+ and we have some hard rules that you to go by to stay in the club . i have played kids once and never will again i think this game should be 18and up
I would like to highly disagree. I like to think of myself as one of the most noncompetitive gamers I know. My goal every game it to kill at least one model regardless of what that single model is. I have never harmed a model (mine or my opponent) or yelled due to a game. I'm 16 and I fail to see how my age should stop me from being allowed to play.
Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
Surely you jest?
No, I'm not jesting. I ran in to more than one person like this. Not so long ago, someone posted a thread in this very forum that was a rant along these lines.
There is a very noticeable (from my viewpoint as a woman) undercurrent of misogyny in gaming culture; 40k is no exception. Generally most people are nice. But there's still always That One Arsehole in a group.
I have never played against a woman in 40k, I would love to play at least one game, the other perspective about the game may be quite interesting (I note this due to what a woman brings to a DnD or any rpg group, much more caution and patience is brought to the table). As far as the misogyny in various games I havent really run into it, my first dnd group I joined had a female gamer (can't say woman due to the oldest member of that group being 15 at the time), same with mtg, heck my flgs coowners wife shows up time to time to smash face in mtg or D&D.
...but it comes so naturally, its also where I learned everything I know about women to date.
I know what I want for christmas now, take a video camera, and tape the first date with a chick using that knowledge
As far as immature players I thankfully havent run into any in 40k, now RPGs most of my group could be considered donkey's, so immaturity is just something that we do and have fun doing it (case in point two brothers in a d20 modern ran as some psychotic sideshow twins, one was a deathball motorcyclist, the other was a chainsaw juggling midget, much fun was had)
davou wrote: That person sucks regardless of whether or not you're a woman
No, not always.
Frequently, they're rude only to women and/or other minorities, and they can be quite popular within their group.
I will be quite honest, I know that sexism and such exists but the idea of discriminating baed purely off of some physiological basis is incredibly alien. I mean i've always treated people the same, boobies or no, and that is."you're dumb until you prove to me otherwise".
I mean surely adding new people to your group, male or female is a good thing, because it adds new experiences and perspective, which can only be a good thing right?
davou wrote: That person sucks regardless of whether or not you're a woman
No, not always.
Frequently, they're rude only to women and/or other minorities, and they can be quite popular within their group.
I will be quite honest, I know that sexism and such exists but the idea of discriminating baed purely off of some physiological basis is incredibly alien. I mean i've always treated people the same, boobies or no, and that is."you're dumb until you prove to me otherwise".
I mean surely adding new people to your group, male or female is a good thing, because it adds new experiences and perspective, which can only be a good thing right?
Right?
Right?
Guys?
You forgot to add Gals
Fixed that for ya, but I do agree, hell I would love to play against someone elderly for the reason of perspective, ideally an old veteran, granted my butt would probably be handed back to me on a silver platter but hell I am fine with that for the oppourtunity of new perspective.
zilka86 wrote: I didn't think woman play 40k i be in shock if i saw one
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Half of my Dark Heresy group is female players, very much into the lore and the setting.
One thing I've noticed, though, is that it's much more difficult for a woman to be "out and proud" about her fandoms. Where as we guys can wear the t-shirts, the hoodies, the hats, the backpacks, the whatevers of any given fandom... whether 40K, an anime series, a cartoon, Star Wars, Star Trek, *whatever*... without much of a problem, if a woman wears any of this, if they get into a conversation about the fandom property, they have to be 100% correct on every little tiny detail or they get branded as "not a real fan". Whether that's knowing every secret identity, every costume color and change, and the name of ever minor side-kick of a superhero over the past 75 years (as well as the issue numbers in which those things appear!), or being able to ramble off the model and manufacturer of every starship to ever appear in any Star Wars product ever released, there seems to be a *much* higher level of expectations placed on female fans than ever there are on male fans.
And this does not even get into the reactions that I've seen female fans get at conventions and events. For some reason, a significant portion (not sure if majority or just vocal minority) seem to believe that a female fan who is cosplaying one of the characters exists solely to provide sexual gratification to That Guy. However, if the female cosplayer does not perfectly match the humanly-impossible measurements of a given anime or comic book character, well, that's when the real problems start. Males in a given fandom are almost certainly *not* some utopian ideal of masculine imagery. Put bluntly, a lot of male fans are fat and slovenly, and many have poor hygiene habits. Given that, it is *not* OK for a male fan to tell a woman dressed as some character or another that she's fat, a cow, a whale, or any other derogatory expression, unless you also want to have random strangers coming up to you at the con and telling him he's fat, dressed badly, looks like a fething slob, needed to shower a week ago, needs to take care of that acne problem, shave that sorry-ass excuse for a beard... well, you get my drift.
Sorry to rant, it's just a problem I've had with the nature of fandoms and, specifically, sci-fi fandoms for quite awhile now. The only real exception to this, that I've seen, has been the Star Trek fandom, though that might have the benefit of having been around longer than any of the others.
This post made me realise that I'd do that. Only to a woman who was working at an event, say, but also happened to be a fan (including GW staffers, mind), but also to anyone who cosplayed regardless of gender, and that's not okay either.
So thank you, you've helped make me a slightly less terrible person.
At the risk of turning this into a "women in Warhammer" thread, I'd like to say that I play a variety of games, and I've noticed that there is a much lower female presence in tabletop wargaming than there is in video/card/board/roleplaying games.
I have seen a lot of immature things, like people throwing models and such. However, by far the most immature thing I have seen is at my old FLGS a bunch of the 40K players refused to play 6th and instead pick and chose the rules from each edition that they liked best and refused to play any other way.
The ringleader was a guy who ran a Lucius pattern droppod Iron Clad dreadnought list. It was a coincidence when 5th edition vehicle damage rules were in their "custom" edition.
herpguy wrote: I have seen a lot of immature things, like people throwing models and such. However, by far the most immature thing I have seen is at my old FLGS a bunch of the 40K players refused to play 6th and instead pick and chose the rules from each edition that they liked best and refused to play any other way.
The ringleader was a guy who ran a Lucius pattern droppod Iron Clad dreadnought list. It was a coincidence when 5th edition vehicle damage rules were in their "custom" edition.
Oh deary me. How dare those people play with the rules that make them happy!
Reminds me of the time when I found a couple of guys in a store playing with 4th Edition rules (this was a year into 5th Ed., mind you). I'm ashamed of the fact that I told them they were 'doing it wrong' because they weren't playing the current ruleset.
I had a case of immature player attitude 3 days ago. the family was playing a 750 point 3 way battle. The Necron player got all of his scoring unit ( only had to have 1 scoring and 1 hq) killed. He started to get upset and "huffy". To which his mother and I informed him that its a game, and every so often other people do win. The 10 year old in question realized that he hasnt really been tabled EVER so decided it was ok this time. So he starts rooting for his mom and her Orks. I proceeded to call him a turkey cause Dad's Marines are better then any old smelly Orks. He said maybe, but Mom is better then you...little brat
Alexi wrote: I had a case of immature player attitude 3 days ago. the family was playing a 750 point 3 way battle. The Necron player got all of his scoring unit ( only had to have 1 scoring and 1 hq) killed. He started to get upset and "huffy". To which his mother and I informed him that its a game, and every so often other people do win. The 10 year old in question realized that he hasnt really been tabled EVER so decided it was ok this time. So he starts rooting for his mom and her Orks. I proceeded to call him a turkey cause Dad's Marines are better then any old smelly Orks. He said maybe, but Mom is better then you...little brat
What an immature little bastard. I hope you punched him...
Half of my Dark Heresy group is female players, very much into the lore and the setting.
One thing I've noticed, though, is that it's much more difficult for a woman to be "out and proud" about her fandoms. Where as we guys can wear the t-shirts, the hoodies, the hats, the backpacks, the whatevers of any given fandom... whether 40K, an anime series, a cartoon, Star Wars, Star Trek, *whatever*... without much of a problem, if a woman wears any of this, if they get into a conversation about the fandom property, they have to be 100% correct on every little tiny detail or they get branded as "not a real fan". Whether that's knowing every secret identity, every costume color and change, and the name of ever minor side-kick of a superhero over the past 75 years (as well as the issue numbers in which those things appear!), or being able to ramble off the model and manufacturer of every starship to ever appear in any Star Wars product ever released, there seems to be a *much* higher level of expectations placed on female fans than ever there are on male fans.
If you were a man or woman being spoke to like that I wouldn't be happy. I'd be be like dude stfu, let people enjoy their hobby how they want and stop being so annal.
herpguy wrote: I have seen a lot of immature things, like people throwing models and such. However, by far the most immature thing I have seen is at my old FLGS a bunch of the 40K players refused to play 6th and instead pick and chose the rules from each edition that they liked best and refused to play any other way.
The ringleader was a guy who ran a Lucius pattern droppod Iron Clad dreadnought list. It was a coincidence when 5th edition vehicle damage rules were in their "custom" edition.
Oh deary me. How dare those people play with the rules that make them happy!
Reminds me of the time when I found a couple of guys in a store playing with 4th Edition rules (this was a year into 5th Ed., mind you). I'm ashamed of the fact that I told them they were 'doing it wrong' because they weren't playing the current ruleset.
Reminds me of a time when the current Tau codex had just been released and I got a pick up game against a Tau player. He hadn't got the new codex yet and I was playing Orks, so I was absolutely 100% more than happy for him to play with the old codex. We had an absolutely stonking game.
Except for the guy who repeatedly told us that it wasn't possible for my opponent to use the old codex. Reasons included that everything was so much better in the new codex, that the old codex wasn't written for 6th edition and "there's not a valid FAQ on the GW website for that codex any more".
It pretty much ended when my opponent told him "Ok, well we're having a great game here. If you've got any more brilliant insights, please feel free to keep them to yourself."
Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game. He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list. He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine. First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off. Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell. I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her. Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off. At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services. The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years. After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her. I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
Luckily the guys I play 40k and wfb with now are mostly good guys, but I used to share a flat with a guy who I met through playing 40k.
We used to game at our place every Sunday pretty much, and regularly had other friends over too. One day we played a 2 vs 2 (this was 3rd edition 40K) of chaos & chaos vs blood angels and imperial guard.
On the 2nd turn I think it was (it may even have been the first) we had manouevered a predator tank (I was on the chaos side) and managed to get a shot on one of the basilisks on the other side. He either failed his cover save or wasn't entitled to one and the basilisk was blown up by a lucky lascannon shot. The basilisk model was then thrown across the room where it hit the wall and smashed.
Bearing in mind this guy was in his late 30's at the time.
Now the worst thing I have to contend with during the game is small disputes over cover saves in 40K or hit modifiers in fantasy.
The only exception is sometimes I play against a guy who will bring a list with an almost unbeatable deathstar unit in it (the ones I have seen from him are 40 white lions with the botwd + teclis or 18 ironguts with slaughtermaster and bsb). He is a nice enough guy who is fun to play against but likes to bring big unkillable units like that.
I don't mind these kinds of lists but I would like to know in advance so I have a chance to try and prepare for it in my list. For me it takes the fun out of friendly games when these kinds of lists show up without warning. If he had said he was practising for a tournament and was bringing this unit I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game.
He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list.
He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine.
First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off.
Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell.
I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her.
Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off.
At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services.
The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years.
After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her.
I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
Holy crap, a real Ninja-Assasin posting on Dakka Dakka
Can I get your autograph?
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game. He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list. He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine. First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off. Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell. I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her. Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off. At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services. The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years. After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her. I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
I'm sorry I just don't believe this. Dragowing isn't that competitive anymore.
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game.
He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list.
He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine.
First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off.
Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell.
I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her.
Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off.
At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services.
The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years.
After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her.
I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
I'm sorry I just don't believe this.
Dragowing isn't that competitive anymore.
Sorry, forgot to mention, the FLGS owner is stuck back in fifth edition, he's a bit of an old timer, but I still go there because he really needs some tough people at the store to protect him from all the local bikie gangs. in his mind, Draigowing was still incredibly competitive (he's on antidepressants at the moment).
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game.
He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list.
He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine.
First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off.
Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell.
I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her.
Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off.
At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services.
The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years.
After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her.
I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
*whew* That was great. Man. I wish I could sig all of that.
I've encountered the whole "U GRL, I MAN, U NO PLY PLASTIK MEN GAMEZ" before, generally it involves a boyfriend or the like talking to his girl like she's an idiot, which sucks because I know guys who'd kill for a woman interested in the hobby, even peripherally.
Had a game of Warmachine back in MKI, me and a buddy versus a girl and her man. Buddy runs Cryx, I run Khador, she runs Mercs and he runs Cygnar, pretty meh match already but I'm psyched for it anyhow (think it was like my third game). During deployment and the subsequent 1-2 turns they start to dig in around a hill and some terrain, he does it badly and get's smote via some Menoth love, she does it better and promptly shoots me to pieces. Guy is visibly annoyed that his "SHE WOMAN" is doing better than he is, that's when the "God you suck."'s and "Are you stupid?"'s come in. Game finishes with a pretty near victory for her, (my buddy kicked the guys teeth all over the place and I got shot right off the board) we go to shake hands after it and he refuses to, she goes to and when we're about to shake hands he slaps her hand away and tells her to pack up the fething models.
Now, generally anyone who knows anything about public displays of stupid with regards to couples, you generally don't say anything and sort of ignore it. But, seeing as how this guy was a feth-nugget, we decided to pull her off to the side and thank her for a well fought game anyway, in front of him. We chatted her up for maybe twenty minutes, asked about how she liked the game, general after-battle banter like anyone would do, and all the while the dude is fuming, standing at the exit with his bags of mini's waiting for her.
Was a pretty great day. Never saw the couple again though, he probably wasn't keen on lettering her near people again.
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game. He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list. He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine. First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off. Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell. I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her. Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off. At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services. The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years. After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her. I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
I'm sorry I just don't believe this. Dragowing isn't that competitive anymore.
Sorry, forgot to mention, the FLGS owner is stuck back in fifth edition, he's a bit of an old timer, but I still go there because he really needs some tough people at the store to protect him from all the local bikie gangs. in his mind, Draigowing was still incredibly competitive (he's on antidepressants at the moment).
Ah that explains it. I take it he's also choosing to make a stand against random cinematic edition creep which you entirely support? You should ask him to post a petition on dakka advising people not to buy GW .
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game.
He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list.
He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine.
First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off.
Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell.
I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her.
Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off.
At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services.
The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years.
After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her.
I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
I'm sorry I just don't believe this.
Dragowing isn't that competitive anymore.
Sorry, forgot to mention, the FLGS owner is stuck back in fifth edition, he's a bit of an old timer, but I still go there because he really needs some tough people at the store to protect him from all the local bikie gangs. in his mind, Draigowing was still incredibly competitive (he's on antidepressants at the moment).
Ah that explains it.
I take it he's also choosing to make a stand against random cinematic edition creep which you entirely support?
You should ask him to post a petition on dakka advising people not to buy GW .
Yeah he's against it, and I support it, but I can't ask him to do that, I swore in ninja-assassin school that I'd never use my powers of persuasion on innocent people.
I was playing on one of the big city boards at Lenton with a group of my friends when a guy came and asked us if he could join in. I have always been weary of letting people join in a game like this, because you never know what they are going to be like. This was back in 4th (?) when you could drive up in rhinos, jump out, and assault in the same turn.
It was a game of Chaos vs Space Marines and Imperial guard, Me and a friend were Chaos, where my other friend was the guardsmen and HE was marines.
So we start playing, my rhinos (all 7 of them, left 3 in reserve) drove forward and my assault begun, only for him telling me I couldn't assault. Now had he told me about a rule that disallowed my tactic fair enough, but he came up with some spechul rule about it that his marines stopped assaults like that, so there I am, in the open streets, opposite me are squads tooled up with heavy bolters and flamers. Not good
But then he tells me you can only get 5 men in a rhino and to justify this picks up one of my rhinos, and one of my marines and puts them next to each other to prove you can't fit 10 guys in a rhino. No you cannot fit 10 plastic marines in a plastic rhino, but you can fit 10 marines in a rhino under the rules can't you?
Then at the start of his turn he announced that a Battle Barge was orbiting the planet and could fire at our troops, so off go swathes of out models, every single turn. I can only ever recall grey knights having some sort of pre game bombardment thingy, his codex being 'space marines' and i'm sure they never had anything like that.
anyway I got disinterested in the game after turn 1 and on turn 3 was told by him I was out of the game, which I didn't really care about anyway.
But I did get talking to a hot girl after being knocked out, who had driven her brother there and was bored, so it wasn't all bad
Oh and there was a guy at the Derby shop once, when they held their games knights who constantly throughout the game repeated the phrase. 'roll for you possessed' despite me telling him I wasn't using possessed, just some converted models, the manager got annoyed with him and threw him out.
Just to balance things up, when I used to play LOTR I was again at Lenton (I lived half an hour away) and having finished gaming and packed up I picked up my case and walked off, my case, not being fastened properly spilled open and all my models ended up all over the lovely stone floor of that place (just after it had been remodelled to look like a castle) these two guys then came and helped me pick all my models up, since I had goblins at that time, it was a lot of models! not only that, but then leant me glue and paint to repair/touch up the broken ones and even helped me do that. Since then we would meet at Lenton every month to game, I had some of my most fun games with those too.
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game.
He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list.
He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine.
First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off.
Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell.
I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her.
Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off.
At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services.
The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years.
After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her.
I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
This is obviously fake.
A few hundred dollars can't possibly pay for twenty one family's meals for five years.
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game. He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list. He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine. First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off. Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell. I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her. Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off. At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services. The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years. After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her. I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
This is obviously fake.
A few hundred dollars can't possibly pay for twenty one family's meals for five years.
The rest is totally legit.
*Ahem* You will find that the post is entirely legit.
There are pacific island nations with a GDP that is less than the cost of a fully painted, competitive, 2000pt draigowing force, including rulebook and codex...
Anyway, more to the point, having read this thread, where the heck do you folks find all these people? I can honestly say that in my gaming career I have never had the misfortune to meet any of the crude proxies for a human being that have been described thus far.
Oh wait, you know how they say 'if everyone talks about that guy, and you've never met someone like that guy then you probably are that guy' I might be that guy, what if I'm that guy? am I that guy? excuse me...
To be fair I've been guilty of a good moan every now and again and so have some of the other players down at my store, but we just shake hands afterwards and its all forgoten about.
I guess the worst guy down at our store is the guy who brings the big thing every week for apocalypse. Now I know that apocalypse is just bring what you want and throw it on the table, but we play 2400pts and this guy brings down something about a third to a half of the cost of his army list. When it dies he usually has a good moan about it. No problem with that really since the rest of us find it a bit entertaining. He has a habit of moaning about his luck with dice rolls, which is fine normally, but I think its the manner in which he does it. Everybody in the store usually gets the gist of what poor luck he has because he says it that loud.
Also to be fair I've had a few gamers sulk in games against me but I don't blame them and its understandable since I do play Tau and sometimes its ridiculous the amount of fire power I can lay down. Problem is, I don't even try to cheese the list out max unless its the apocalypse game. I wouldn't call the list I use for our normal 40k a power gamer list. Its just a really effective list for my meta down at my store. However I did lose at the weekend there to a marine list so things are changing.
I've played one once - at whw I played a grey knights player who made rules up as soon as he started losing. He was surprised I took his Land raider out turn one with 'only' 6 lascannons and it went downhill from there...
Okay so every time I go to tourney I get stuck against this guy who cheats and slow plays like a mofo. He calls BS on the most basic rules and always adds 3 inches to his moves. He tries to pin my bikes, tries to bs the stats of his internet meta army of the week, his psych grenades dropped all my stats to 1, made me ld2 and removed fearless on a single roll.... anymore the most common phrase said to him is "lemme see your codex" youre lucky if you see turn 3 against him. He is that slow unless he is winning.
Quientin wrote: Okay so every time I go to tourney I get stuck against this guy who cheats and slow plays like a mofo. He calls BS on the most basic rules and always adds 3 inches to his moves. He tries to pin my bikes, tries to bs the stats of his internet meta army of the week, his psych grenades dropped all my stats to 1, made me ld2 and removed fearless on a single roll.... anymore the most common phrase said to him is "lemme see your codex" youre lucky if you see turn 3 against him. He is that slow unless he is winning.
My god...I'm sorry to hear that ._. Sounds like a total zoghead
Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Quientin wrote: Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Quientin wrote: Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.
Quientin wrote: Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
If it weren't for my desk being made from glass I think would've just headdesked.
Quientin wrote: Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.
While I do think it's important for people to learn the history of their hobby, RT was a long time ago. Many players weren't even born yet when it was out. Rogue Trader did play completely differently them modern 40k, and the minis, while looking vaguely related, are quite different in both quality and aesthetics.
For some people, RT (or even 2nd ed) is the stuff of myths and legends. You might hear tales from that weird old guy, but he's probably senile and demented, being over 30 and all. (Renew!) And that's assuming there is a member of the old guard at your FLGS. Not every store is going to have a Living Ancestor there to tell the old tales.
Quientin wrote: Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.
While I do think it's important for people to learn the history of their hobby, RT was a long time ago. Many players weren't even born yet when it was out. Rogue Trader did play completely differently them modern 40k, and the minis, while looking vaguely related, are quite different in both quality and aesthetics.
For some people, RT (or even 2nd ed) is the stuff of myths and legends. You might hear tales from that weird old guy, but he's probably senile and demented, being over 30 and all. (Renew!) And that's assuming there is a member of the old guard at your FLGS. Not every store is going to have a Living Ancestor there to tell the old tales.
There's a joke you seem to be missing.
In any case, one should know at least enough of their hobby to be aware of what rogue trader *is*.
I may have posted this before, but one time when i was using one of my mech armies, i think orks it was. My opponent insisted that a "Weapon destroyed" result on a vehicle was ALL my weapons. Goodbye gunboat battlewagons >.>
But no seriously, i had to take 5 minutes of my time explaining the rules of vehicle damage tables, and the realism of them.
In any case, one should know at least enough of their hobby to be aware of what rogue trader *is*.
I get the joke (and find it amusing, as I routinely put RTB01 beekies on the table)
I'd -like- kids to know their history, but am happy if they know the rules for the edition we are playing these days. Trivia, history, and fluff can take a back seat; encouraged, but not required. For someone getting into the hobby, they might not have any contact with anything more then a few editions old, depending on the size of their local meta. I can't blame them. It's not like GW goes out of their way to acknowledge the past. With the recent 25th anniversary, there is a little more light shining on the old days, but still not a whole lot.
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game.
He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list.
He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine.
First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off.
Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell.
I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her.
Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off.
At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services.
The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years.
After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her.
I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
Holy hell, that was one of the funniest things i have seen in my life. Have an internet cookie dear sir!
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Melissia wrote: Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.
How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.
I'm sorry to hear about the current position you're in, I play W40k with a fair few girls, and i have a great time.
Orblivion wrote: I didn't think females were that rare of a sight at 40k events. We have a few women who play at my FLGS, and a few more who bring models in for painting day but don't play the game.
It's a common mistake for people to think that their little local group is somehow representative of the entire hobby, which is why you end up with questions like, 'everyone plays orks, so why do they get so little support from GW?"
There is a very noticeable (from my viewpoint as a woman) undercurrent of misogyny in gaming culture; 40k is no exception. Generally most people are nice. But there's still always That One Arsehole in a group.
It's a common thread throughout geek culture - a good example is how often you see women being criticized for not being 'real geeks,' just pretending to be into geek stuff for the attention, or you get some painfully self-unaware donkey-cave who thinks they need to act as gatekeeper to the hobby and grill some poor girl over what she actually knows. The fact is, 'geek' hobbies tend to be insular by nature, which is why you stupidity like people claiming your choice of video game consoles is a mark of your value as a person, or that playing CCG A is something normal people do, but playing CCG B is something only mouth breathing pantwetters do. A person outside your group and not like you is the nefarious Other, who must be minimized to make yourself feel better, and you can't get much more Other than the opposite gender. It's not even like it's a highly conscious thing - the whole 'my peeps first, other peeps second' is a pretty deeply ingrained mental process, and most people a lot of people lack the introspection and self-awareness to even realize what they're doing.
Not so long ago, someone posted a thread in this very forum that was a rant along these lines.
Quientin wrote: Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.
Especially when you consider the fact that many of the miniatures in question are pretty good looking
I know a guy who refuses to play my Guard because quote "There's no way you can win with that list. Where are your Lemon Russes and Valkyries?" Still don't know how to respond to it.
Not much but when there are two guys in the store on game day ones choices are limited...
Quientin wrote: Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.
Especially when you consider the fact that many of the miniatures in question are pretty good looking
I know a guy who refuses to play my Guard because quote "There's no way you can win with that list. Where are your Lemon Russes and Valkyries?" Still don't know how to respond to it.
Not much but when there are two guys in the store on game day ones choices are limited...
I've had a simular one, "how the hell do you win with tau without a single riptide!"
Quientin wrote: Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.
Especially when you consider the fact that many of the miniatures in question are pretty good looking
I know a guy who refuses to play my Guard because quote "There's no way you can win with that list. Where are your Lemon Russes and Valkyries?" Still don't know how to respond to it.
Not much but when there are two guys in the store on game day ones choices are limited...
Ah, same, all the regular IG players tell me to add Russes to my list.
Gutsnagga wrote: Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game.
He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list.
He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine.
First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off.
Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell.
I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her.
Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off.
At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services.
The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years.
After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her.
I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.
Holy hell, that was one of the funniest things i have seen in my life. Have an internet cookie dear sir!
He's 35-40, paler then snow, looked NO OLDER then twelve i swear on my life. He's decked out in massive black cowboy hat, a black duster, black leather boots, black silver studded VAMPBRACES. And claims to be a wicken. He's playing some necrons okay cool. Besides his akward physique and attire everything seems in order. And as he starts setting models out, i see some monstrosity composed of sprues and bases and the top halves of necron warriors. I don't remember what it was supposed to be but it was the must bs looking thing ive ever seen in my life. Okay sure, space wolves vs ghetto necrons lets roll. But first, he sets out these little stones all over the battlefield."What are those?" He told me they were charms, and helped his die rolls. He then proceeded to claim he was a wicken. Idk what a wicken even is. So the battle goes on, i tear up his shitrons, life goes on. When i use JOTWW on his general, insta-killing it, he begins to tear up and scream. He makes an invuln save and says "He's saved he's saved" I point in the rulebook where i show he doesnt get a save from JOTWW and dies instantly. He proceeded to cry, curse, and scream. Packed up his things and left. We banned him from the FLGS and life moved on. His name was michael i think..
Automatically Appended Next Post: This story is 100% legit, i swear on the emperors life. Was playing wolves, other dude wiped my face with Old Tau suits. When i started to lose i began footsying with his girfriend, a good looking redhead who was sitting beside him. I slipped her my number as i was packing up my dead troops. I hit that the next week. He may of won he battle. But i... i won the war.
That's a shame, I've met some actual Wiccans and they're generally a lovely group of people, most of them don't dress like cowboy goths though...
Basically another word for Pagan
The word "pagan" was actually used by the followers of Abrahamic faiths (mostly Roman Catholics) as a broad derogatory term for those who believed in the other various polythestic, shamanistic, animistic and pantheistic religions at the time. It basically meant "stupid heretic who will burn in hell for worshipping false gods".
Yeah, he wasn't a Wiccan. I believe the term he was searching for is actually spelled I-D-I-O-T. Sounds like he was an insult to people of that particular form of belief. I've had plenty of Wiccan friends and that doesn't sound the part at all.
And redheaded girls entering gaming stores willingly are always a good thing...dated one, she was an absolute freak. I approve your message.
Crikey, I've never had anything along these lines of terribad players....
The worst was when I was playing my 6/7th ed WoC against this chap's Vampire Counts, and the game was going well, I was slowly losing the war of attrition but my knights were wrecking his hard centre. Then my chariot trundled into his huge ass grave guard unit with his BSB in it. I make a frighteningly good roll, and they all fall dead. I honestly thought he was going to hit something.
There was this pair of gakkers I used to come across from time to time who I absolutely detested playing.
One of them painted his models but was about as narcissistic as people get in the hobby and a complete smartass.
The first and only time we played I was about to give him a rundown on the Contemptor Mortis' rules, he said 'no I don't care I know them' and I even added 'are you sure?' for him to continue dismissing me.
Later he infiltrated his Genestealers and I declared my Interceptor shooting, and he got all pissed and was like 'grr why didn't you tell me', even going as far to literally start packing up his models when I didn't warm up to the idea that the rule be stripped because he was 'unfairly treated'. Gah.
I played the other guy a few times, regrettably, and his models weren't painted (where they were it was caked on) and half of them were half-built. Basically, he was the worst rules lawyer I've ever encountered I've had more fun in games against kids.
The last time I played him, or indeed ever saw him play 40k, It was the beginning of 6th in a tournament and I had my Razorback spam list vs his Nurgle CSM army. I moved my guys up, killed his Nurgle Bikers, pummelled his Plague Marines at close range and took the objectives, and my barebones Librarian killed his Chaos Lord armed with Bloodfeeder with a Force Staff. By that point I could see bulging veins on his face.
He said 'pfft I may as well concede but I would probably win if we'd continued anyway' and I disagreed politely, so he was like 'fine I'll prove it' only for me to table him bar his Obliberators by turn 6.
He then claimed that I only won, with numerous combat squads, Razorbacks and a Devastator squad left because he forgot to fire his Obliberators for one turn.
After that I only saw him playing Warmachine for a few months, and then I never saw him again.
There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.
This story is 100% legit, i swear on the emperors life. Was playing wolves, other dude wiped my face with Old Tau suits. When i started to lose i began footsying with his girfriend, a good looking redhead who was sitting beside him. I slipped her my number as i was packing up my dead troops. I hit that the next week. He may of won he battle. But i... i won the war.
Hahahah, I haven't laughed so much in a long time. That's awesome.
Jimsolo wrote: There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.
Oh man that's sleazy haha! Put a smile on my face, thanks for that.
I would say my worst moment playing anything at a FLGS or GW comes in the form of pointless fanboy pissing contests. Beyond heated debates about a great many unwinnable subjective arguments about how Xbox is better than Playstation , PC is better than all of them, 40K is better than Magic, vice versa, ad nauseam. Ugh. It's good to be passionate about what you like, it's totally understandable and in many cases admirable, but a lot of the arguments I've seen always end with at least one butthurt individual and it kills the good time gaming vibe in the room. Always.
I'm all for informed discussions and everybody is entitled to their opinions, but when it gets to the point when one or all of the individuals involved start taking things way too personally it just makes the rest of the time, which should be spent having fun, painfully awkward. Grow up, get over it, and roll the dice friend!
Jimsolo wrote: There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.
Wow, I feel so lucky. I have no real immature players at my store...
There was one time though, that I don't know if it really counts.
I had my foot guard army out, and someone (a black man, this is important!) running a Necron Flyer list (back when the only thing you saw in top tier was Necron Fliers) asked me if I wanted to play. Now, I knew I couldn't beat him since my army was horribly suited for that job, and I knew I wasn't going to enjoy the game so I said no. Now, I was rather polite, I just denied and said I was waiting for someone (truth be told, I was but they weren't gonna be around for a while). He starts freaking out claiming how I was racist because I didn't want to play against him.
Yep, it was going to be one of those days.
Eventually the guy left since no one seemed to want to listen to him, everyone in at the time knew me well enough to know who was right in the matter, but I don't think I saw him again since then...
Firstly was in a doubles tourney some years back. I was partnered with a friend of mine, his chaos daemons with my csm, and in the third round we were paired up against a double green tide army. Anyways, the game didn't start out well, my Lord got locked in cc with a group of nob bikers, and the rest of my army didn't make it very far onto the board before being bogged down as well. His daemons didn't have much more luck, most of them deciding apparently to sit most of the game out. Anyways, as each turn went on, I could tell he was getting more and more agitated with how the game was proceeding, Finally, the start of the last turn, my remaining units are still locked in endless cc, and his dp decides to grace us with its presence. After looking at the board, he concludes that anywhere he puts it will have no bearing on the outcome of the game; that we've lost; and then hands control of his army to me and gets up and wanders off.
I was able to find a clearing in the ork mob, stick the landing and contest the key objective.
We ended with a minor victory.
Secondly, it wasn't a player I played against, but one I witnessed a friend of mine playing. This fellow was quite overbearing on the best of days, and unbearable on the rest, and the only people who agreed to play him were ones who didn't know better, and people in tournaments. This was the latter. I didn't see the whole game, but the part I watched made me walk away laughing. What I witnessed was: this disagreeable player was fielding a Dread in a drop pod (a partially built drop pod, really only the floor and wings), and when his pod landed, he placed his dreadnought on the model itself, as opposed to next to it, claiming he wasn't required to disembark, but could still turn and shoot whomever he pleased. Furthermore, he claimed my friend's carnifex couldn't assault the dreadnought without first going through the drop pod. It took 10 minutes of arguing with the ref before anyone could convince him otherwise. I'm pretty sure he was 3 words away form getting cold-cocked with a rulebook.
Jimsolo wrote: There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.
That would be called "collusion" and many tournaments I know of frown on that, if not throw players out for it.
Jimsolo wrote: There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.
Oh man that's sleazy haha! Put a smile on my face, thanks for that.
I would say my worst moment playing anything at a FLGS or GW comes in the form of pointless fanboy pissing contests. Beyond heated debates about a great many unwinnable subjective arguments about how Xbox is better than Playstation , PC is better than all of them, 40K is better than Magic, vice versa, ad nauseam. Ugh. It's good to be passionate about what you like, it's totally understandable and in many cases admirable, but a lot of the arguments I've seen always end with at least one butthurt individual and it kills the good time gaming vibe in the room. Always.
I'm all for informed discussions and everybody is entitled to their opinions, but when it gets to the point when one or all of the individuals involved start taking things way too personally it just makes the rest of the time, which should be spent having fun, painfully awkward. Grow up, get over it, and roll the dice friend!
If you really want to see how bad it gets just nudge the conversation over abut onto which star ship in star trek could take on a star wars vessel. I couldn't stop shaking my head the whole way through the conversation.
Yeah, I'm a pretty new 15 year old gamer, and I feel like sometimes I can be a bit of a dick. Like once when my MON havocs rolled 8 1s in a row I took them off the board 'cause... I don't really know why.
I at least realised that i was being stupid though and apologised to the guy after the game.
wowsmash wrote: If you really want to see how bad it gets just nudge the conversation over abut onto which star ship in star trek could take on a star wars vessel. I couldn't stop shaking my head the whole way through the conversation.
Any Star Trek starship (and when I say Star Trek I refer to the UFP) could take on a Star Wars vessel. It wouldn't end well for said Trek ship...
I've had a simular one, "how the hell do you win with tau without a single riptide!"
I take it your response was something like this.
Erm, quite easily in fact. Just take a million Broadsides with HYMP & SMS and missile your opponent to death before they even get close.
Nope, double railheads with a longstrike, an etherial with two squads next too him...but the two major players are my stealth team and piranah which speed out and mess up heavy armour (without using the railheads yet) at that moment the railheads either gos for ICs or shotguns large units too death.
Or just play them normally..It's not like their other troops are worse, crisis suits are still good.
I've had a simular one, "how the hell do you win with tau without a single riptide!"
I take it your response was something like this.
Erm, quite easily in fact. Just take a million Broadsides with HYMP & SMS and missile your opponent to death before they even get close.
Or just play them normally..It's not like their other troops are worse, crisis suits are still good.
Nope, double railheads with a longstrike, an etherial with two squads next too him...but the two major players are my stealth team and piranah which speed out and mess up heavy armour (without using the railheads yet) at that moment the railheads either gos for ICs or shotguns large units too death.
Sorry had to rearrange the above post as it looks as if it didn't come out right. So I am assuming that this is what was meant to be posted.
Nice list. I see you like to play a hit and run type of game.
Quientin wrote: Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"
Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.
While I do think it's important for people to learn the history of their hobby, RT was a long time ago. Many players weren't even born yet when it was out. Rogue Trader did play completely differently them modern 40k, and the minis, while looking vaguely related, are quite different in both quality and aesthetics.
For some people, RT (or even 2nd ed) is the stuff of myths and legends. You might hear tales from that weird old guy, but he's probably senile and demented, being over 30 and all. (Renew!) And that's assuming there is a member of the old guard at your FLGS. Not every store is going to have a Living Ancestor there to tell the old tales.
A friend of mine, a 40 something who hasn't played since 2nd edition, recently got back into the game. Back in the day his army was painted to what was then, golden demon standard. they still look good, if a little dated. His army was Space Sharks, composed entirely of RTB01's, classic classic terminators, RT landspeeders, original Predators landraiders, and the wierd looking dreadnaught 'thing' Basically, its an awesome looking army, and was entirely intact, not how you would imagine a 20 something year old army to look (all arms and guns where they should be)
Almost everyone was gobsmacked, and after a few games to get used to the new rules, the local TFG decided he wanted to smash this new old guy. I gave him a fair heads up, but he just shrugged 'its just a game'
The TFG, then declared that his entire army was illegal, because they weren't the current models (so on the whole smaller) the space sharks weren't a codex chapter, so he couldn't use any marine chapter traits and so on, and so on. My friend, just smiled at him, called me over, and since i hadn't started my next game yet (we were halfway through setup, suggested we swap opponents. My opponent and I agreed. He put away his Seer Star, and brought out something a little less competitive (he still won convincingly) and i moved over to the TFG. now i had been going to try to stop a seer star with competitive marines (he was testing out a seer star for a tournament and wanted to try it out versus a hardcore TAC marine list), probably failing hard if i'm honest. so my opponent sifts through his collection of army lists, and digs out his 'versus marines' 1850 waveserpent spam army, the same one he was going to use to destroy the old school beaky army.
Now, maybe a little cheeky of me, but i had just started to refit my Tau army, and i wanted to play it (playing marines versus eldar was a favour) so i took out my O'vesa star force, with 3 nice shiny, and one totally grey no arms, riptides. his mouth moved like a fish, but nothing came out, he refused to play me flat out, because a) i wasn't using marines, and b) he didn't think he could win, so there was no point. someone else stepped up instead, and TFG started to hover and tell us we were playing wrong. I got demolished by a screamer star (ouch) and then played my original opponent, O'vesa star versus Seer star an got demolished again. TFG started saying how tau were rubbish and could never beat Eldar, and how he would have beaten me if he'd played me.
'Pub?' says I, a few murmurs of agreement, and most of us pile into the pub and proceed to get totally smashed. TFG was underage so couldn't join us, and started crying.....
madtankbloke wrote: A friend of mine, a 40 something who hasn't played since 2nd edition, recently got back into the game. Back in the day his army was painted to what was then, golden demon standard. they still look good, if a little dated. His army was Space Sharks, composed entirely of RTB01's, classic classic terminators, RT landspeeders, original Predators landraiders, and the wierd looking dreadnaught 'thing' Basically, its an awesome looking army, and was entirely intact, not how you would imagine a 20 something year old army to look (all arms and guns where they should be)
Almost everyone was gobsmacked, and after a few games to get used to the new rules, the local TFG decided he wanted to smash this new old guy. I gave him a fair heads up, but he just shrugged 'its just a game'
The TFG, then declared that his entire army was illegal, because they weren't the current models (so on the whole smaller) the space sharks weren't a codex chapter, so he couldn't use any marine chapter traits and so on, and so on. My friend, just smiled at him, called me over, and since i hadn't started my next game yet (we were halfway through setup, suggested we swap opponents. My opponent and I agreed. He put away his Seer Star, and brought out something a little less competitive (he still won convincingly) and i moved over to the TFG. now i had been going to try to stop a seer star with competitive marines (he was testing out a seer star for a tournament and wanted to try it out versus a hardcore TAC marine list), probably failing hard if i'm honest. so my opponent sifts through his collection of army lists, and digs out his 'versus marines' 1850 waveserpent spam army, the same one he was going to use to destroy the old school beaky army.
Now, maybe a little cheeky of me, but i had just started to refit my Tau army, and i wanted to play it (playing marines versus eldar was a favour) so i took out my O'vesa star force, with 3 nice shiny, and one totally grey no arms, riptides. his mouth moved like a fish, but nothing came out, he refused to play me flat out, because a) i wasn't using marines, and b) he didn't think he could win, so there was no point. someone else stepped up instead, and TFG started to hover and tell us we were playing wrong. I got demolished by a screamer star (ouch) and then played my original opponent, O'vesa star versus Seer star an got demolished again. TFG started saying how tau were rubbish and could never beat Eldar, and how he would have beaten me if he'd played me.
'Pub?' says I, a few murmurs of agreement, and most of us pile into the pub and proceed to get totally smashed. TFG was underage so couldn't join us, and started crying.....
Not cheeky of you at all. He was prepared to tailor his list against you, so its only fair that you counter tailor against him. I'm guilty of making up lists against specific players myself, especially the ones that annoy me or have lists that I think I will struggle against. However I usualy build the lists up at home before the game, so I am making an assumption that they will not radically change their list. The other players do the same as well and I certainly do not object to it. To be honest I think most of us do this as it presents a challenge.
I've had a simular one, "how the hell do you win with tau without a single riptide!"
I take it your response was something like this.
Erm, quite easily in fact. Just take a million Broadsides with HYMP & SMS and missile your opponent to death before they even get close.
Or just play them normally..It's not like their other troops are worse, crisis suits are still good.
Nope, double railheads with a longstrike, an etherial with two squads next too him...but the two major players are my stealth team and piranah which speed out and mess up heavy armour (without using the railheads yet) at that moment the railheads either gos for ICs or shotguns large units too death.
Sorry had to rearrange the above post as it looks as if it didn't come out right. So I am assuming that this is what was meant to be posted.
Nice list. I see you like to play a hit and run type of game.
Ah no worroes, its due too posting from a phone, not a big fan of hit and run, i just hang the piranah back in cover and wait for the right time, some guy had a maulerfiend attack a steath suit house, the metla suit lived, jumped and got side armour in sight, then got the piranah in and hit side armour, finished off with a markerlit longstike hammerhead shot.
Too keep with the immature theme the guy called themed army "dog eaters" as he lost.
I remember when I started playing 40K back in the final days of second edition. I usually played with friends from high school (this happened almost 15 years ago) one of our buddies mentioned we should play with this one kid so a few of us went to his house we did know he had a temper when our friend told us of a story of him throwing his land raider crusader after being destroyed by a bright lance mind you this was when those kits firs came out and on top of that this kid was a very good painter and had really well painted models. So as we were playing him his ultra marines get slammed by my one friend playing guard who became a marksman with the basilisk, the kid rages out and goes to his room and leaves us in his house for about 30 minutes alone, since we do not know whats going on we start to pack up and leave when he emerges and asks what why are we packing up we finish the game but never played with him again. Mind you after some foresight it was smart of him to leave as he vented but it would of been nice if he warned us all in all he was a nice guy just not to play with.
This example is me being the immature one I was in a tournament at a local gaming store and I was playing these two kids(I was 19 at the time they were 13, 14) my army was Legion of the damned but army lists for them come and go and by this time I was playing them as normal marines but my opponent would not stop going on how my army was illegal because they looked like legion of the damned no matter how many times I told him that I was playing them as regular marines I eventually got fed up and told him to shut the F*** up this is when another kid came up to me and told me that this will effect my sportsmanship points I told that kid I do not give a f*** I think he was helping ref the tournament funny thing is I got the sportsmanship award for that tournament.
with regards to women in the hobby my fiancee has decided to get into the hobby with me because she knew I wanted to get back into it ,we go to the local GW store and do most of our stuff their and I have noticed some other female players their as well but mostly with their boyfriends and or significant others where my fiancee will go with out me. she has noticed people giving her odd looks and one of her female co workers said "But you are a girl" when her coworker seen my fiancee's models. But all in all she gets along with everyone and they are very nice to her.
Ah no worroes, its due too posting from a phone, not a big fan of hit and run, i just hang the piranah back in cover and wait for the right time, some guy had a maulerfiend attack a steath suit house, the metla suit lived, jumped and got side armour in sight, then got the piranah in and hit side armour, finished off with a markerlit longstike hammerhead shot.
Too keep with the immature theme the guy called themed army "dog eaters" as he lost.
Its tough trying to reply to a post from a phone.
Well you certainly tamed his pooch (Maulerfiend).
The Broadsides in my army tend to hang back. Sometimes they do need to move closer a bit to get in range and in those occassions I try to give them markerlight support. The riptide and the single crisis team do all the upfield work for me. In games where that is not possible the riptide hangs back as well. It depends on what army I'm playing against. The crisis team is just a suicide squad to take out any heavy armour in the case that the hammerhead with longstrike fails to deal with it..
Not really immature players rather people just being dumbasses, I collect many armies, I ran a GK army before the Matt Ward update when they got considered OP, so I had been playing them for a few years before, but as soon as the new update came out people started calling out me for "powergaming" by playing GK.
Same thing happened with my Tau army. I bought them a year before the new update and when they were updated and people saw how strong some units were it was considered "powergaming".
Ah no worroes, its due too posting from a phone, not a big fan of hit and run, i just hang the piranah back in cover and wait for the right time, some guy had a maulerfiend attack a steath suit house, the metla suit lived, jumped and got side armour in sight, then got the piranah in and hit side armour, finished off with a markerlit longstike hammerhead shot.
Too keep with the immature theme the guy called themed army "dog eaters" as he lost.
Yeah, i use two broadsides (old ones) and they hit into planes before the sunshark gets on.
Its tough trying to reply to a post from a phone.
Well you certainly tamed his pooch (Maulerfiend).
The Broadsides in my army tend to hang back. Sometimes they do need to move closer a bit to get in range and in those occassions I try to give them markerlight support. The riptide and the single crisis team do all the upfield work for me. In games where that is not possible the riptide hangs back as well. It depends on what army I'm playing against. The crisis team is just a suicide squad to take out any heavy armour in the case that the hammerhead with longstrike fails to deal with it..
PrinceRaven wrote: That's a shame, I've met some actual Wiccans and they're generally a lovely group of people, most of them don't dress like cowboy goths though...
Basically another word for Pagan
The word "pagan" was actually used by the followers of Abrahamic faiths (mostly Roman Catholics) as a broad derogatory term for those who believed in the other various polythestic, shamanistic, animistic and pantheistic religions at the time. It basically meant "stupid heretic who will burn in hell for worshipping false gods".
Was about to post this until I looked ahead and saw your response. Thanks for posting that...not a wiccan myself, but know plenty of folks who follow "alternative" faiths to whom the term pagan is really rather insulting...
Hmmm only really had one opponent like this, mind i don't tend to play anymore. Was adamant his last edition eldar were the most competitive thing around, would spend a good 20-30 minutes telling everyone in the store about how his wraithlord could wreck TWC or 5ed Dragiowing wasn't a match for him.
Mostly (and this applies to any game i'v played really) the thing that bugs me is when people say "don't bother rolling, you won't be able to pass" when you need say, a majority roll of 6's or something. I don't care if I statistically won't get a pass, I don't care. There's this little thing with dice called "luck".
doc1234 wrote: Hmmm only really had one opponent like this, mind i don't tend to play anymore. Was adamant his last edition eldar were the most competitive thing around, would spend a good 20-30 minutes telling everyone in the store about how his wraithlord could wreck TWC or 5ed Dragiowing wasn't a match for him.
Mostly (and this applies to any game i'v played really) the thing that bugs me is when people say "don't bother rolling, you won't be able to pass" when you need say, a majority roll of 6's or something. I don't care if I statistically won't get a pass, I don't care. There's this little thing with dice called "luck".
Ha, I wish people would say that to my deathwing....then i might avoid armor saves of hahaha
Was at my friend's house for some casual gaming. My brother was using a fairly basic marine list and giving my friends ork army a pretty sound thrashing, mostly due to lucky dice. Frustrated my friend corners a unit with his warboss thinking he'll turn the game around. He rolls horribly, missing with all of his attacks. My friend turns bright red with rage and shrieks like a wounded animal before grabbing his hard cover rulebook and begins smashing his metal warboss into the table with it. He keeps trying to pound it into oblivion for a good 30-40 seconds until it's pressed about a quarter inch into his wood dining table and torn a hole clear through the back cover of his book and ripped through about a dozen pages. At which point he throws the book across the room and storms upstairs to his bedroom to pout.
This is from a 35 year old man, who was playing a friendly game in his own living room.
My brother and I quietly pack up our stuff and leave in a very awkward silence. In the 3 years since we've declined every offer to game at his place. It was really embarrassing behavior that we don't want to be witness to again.
I'm pretty lucky, I grew up in my father's store so I saw all sorts of types and now I'm in a newer store that's developing a solid group of happy people who love to play. Even when it comes to rules disagreements pretty much everyone furrows their brow and pulls out a book to clear it up, if we can't figure it out or we realise we did something wrong we just make a decision like oh....that was supposed to be difficult terrain.....well, uh, no difficult terrain on those pieces anymore and continue on from there.
The best one I ever remember though had to be my first campaign I ever played in. It was Necromunda, and I was maybe 12 so I played what I wanted tactics be damned. I was a Van Saar ganger rolling around with one plasma pistol and everyone else had shotguns with hotshot rounds, they set you on fire sometimes when you get shot by them. I went up against probably the loudest, most angry man I've ever known. He loved to point out my flaws in my gang and decided it was time to "teach" me how to play by stomping my face into the ground. I somehow fought him down to the last man, having set almost every single person in his gang on fire. I won, and afterwards he threw his guys, who he always made everyone handle like they were made out of gold, into his box breaking about half of them, and then stormed out the store to "cool off" He then came back in and ranted and raved at my father about how the rules were broken and how could he let people play a campaign like this where people would lose to inferior gangs and players. My father then pointed out that maybe the guy should pull his head out of his ass and come back when he felt like being an adult.
Probably the best moment ever, the guy kept coming back though, and his temper was always crazy weird, good guy once you got him to calm down, but man could he rant.
Years ago when I first started I was using the last editon chaos marine book and I was playing against a guy that played nidzilla back when it was stll good. It was probably my 4th game of playing and I had no clue about nids. So I would shoot one of his carnifexes with an auto cannon and when I wounded it, he would tell me that the carnifex got tougher due to some rule. So by turn 3 or so his entire army was like T9 and it got really hard to wound anything.
About tau broadsides, people really underestimate their reach sometimes.
36" range isn't such a big deal, but you move 6" forwards (snapshots don't hurt as much as they could since they're twin linked...and missile drones can shoot the pods at full bs anyway, you did take missile drones didn't you?), then have an ethereal sitting around to give the air invocation that lets them fire snapshots after running (like battle focus...only not quite as good, but a lot more unexpected).
Had a dark eldar venom spam player sitting exactly 37" away from my army (apparently they have some wargear that makes your weapons 6" shorter range or something) and I pulled that one on him.
That was an interesting reaction worthy of this thread to be honest. I said during movement phase "my ethereal gives air invocation" and he just kinda shrugged because nobody expects air invocation (seriously, who doesn't give fire invocation for more pulse rifle shots?) Moved my broadsides 6" forwards, ran them to get 1" further up the board, then started rolling dice to hit. You should have seen the guy's face, he literally started yelling at me that I was cheating and demanded to know how I could do that.
Pulled open the codex to the ethereal page and showed him, then he wanted me to take it back because "I didn't tell him i could do that so he would have stayed further back". At this point I did something I probably shouldn't have and looked straight back at him and just made the "problem astartes" tau face.
dementedwombat wrote: At this point I did something I probably shouldn't have and looked straight back at him and just made the "problem astartes" tau face.
wallygator wrote: It's funny how alot of players (specially the young) hide in their rulebooks to search stats they know out of head, as soon as my GF pops up to say "hello, i'm back from shopping, now i go to that place"
woman in GW store, must be tainted by chaos!
It's funny you should say that. I was in the LGS for a doubles tourney, we were getting reamed by a ringer with an ultra powerful Chaos list (allied to an Eldar player). Chaos player is a bit of a jerk and rubs in every single model he kills. My partner and I are not worried by that sort of bahaviour, in fact it just p's off the elitist more if you don't take his gaming seriously.
His team wins, completely tabling us. He proceeds to state "I win at 40k" with a big smug grin on his face.
I shake his hand and congratulate him on a great game, he didn't like that.
Only seconds after letting go of his hand, he gets a weird look on his face, kinda flustered, his attention is diverted, I turn around and see a stunning woman walk in.
She's carrying food, wtf is she doing in a gaming store???
She walks up to me and gives me a kiss, it's food for my gaming partner and I, I hug her, turn to him, wink, and say "I win at life"..
I remember a female friend was with me, she liked to paint and for some insane reason, liked GW (had no interest to play)
some kid made some sexist comment and she just looked at me, almost dumbfounded. I proceeded to look up and say "what did you just say"
he ran out of the store. I was well known for having a really bad temper towards people (never about the game, I took it very lightly)...
nowadays I seem more mellow, more so because I bring about my little ball jointed dolls and they make me happy, scare the ever loving crap out of most people.
Girls think they're really pretty though.
thetallestgiraffe wrote: Yeah, I'm a pretty new 15 year old gamer, and I feel like sometimes I can be a bit of a dick. Like once when my MON havocs rolled 8 1s in a row I took them off the board 'cause... I don't really know why.
I at least realised that i was being stupid though and apologised to the guy after the game.
They failed to satisfy their dark gods, and for failing to reap shouls, their fickle masters reaped theirs in turn.
dementedwombat wrote: About tau broadsides, people really underestimate their reach sometimes.
36" range isn't such a big deal, but you move 6" forwards (snapshots don't hurt as much as they could since they're twin linked...and missile drones can shoot the pods at full bs anyway, you did take missile drones didn't you?), then have an ethereal sitting around to give the air invocation that lets them fire snapshots after running (like battle focus...only not quite as good, but a lot more unexpected).
Had a dark eldar venom spam player sitting exactly 37" away from my army (apparently they have some wargear that makes your weapons 6" shorter range or something) and I pulled that one on him.
That was an interesting reaction worthy of this thread to be honest. I said during movement phase "my ethereal gives air invocation" and he just kinda shrugged because nobody expects air invocation (seriously, who doesn't give fire invocation for more pulse rifle shots?) Moved my broadsides 6" forwards, ran them to get 1" further up the board, then started rolling dice to hit. You should have seen the guy's face, he literally started yelling at me that I was cheating and demanded to know how I could do that.
Pulled open the codex to the ethereal page and showed him, then he wanted me to take it back because "I didn't tell him i could do that so he would have stayed further back". At this point I did something I probably shouldn't have and looked straight back at him and just made the "problem astartes" tau face.
Lol. That would have been an epic sight to see.
One time in an apocalpse game, a friend and I challenged a guy who has two Reaver Titans. I took a list containing a farsight bomb with fusion blasters and gun drones, and some Broadsides. The farsight bomb managed to take my opponents squad of Lysander and Terminators down to one wound on Lysander. You should have seen his face when I started shooting with my Broadside SMSs despite him being behind LOS blocking terrain. Killed Lysander and got four victory points for Trophy Kill.
Next turn he charged the farsight bomb with a dreadknight and another unit, since I used shield generator to stop him from shooting my farsight bomb. I hit and run after this and in the next turn I blow his Reaver Titan skyhigh with Fusion Blasters. My firend killed off his other Reaver using wolf guard with meltas and melta bombs. Ah fun times. He certainly wasn't happy.
I find it really sad and destructive when people stamp on their models and throw them!! They cost a lot of money - treat them well!!!
Also I don't mind losing or winning, it is a game, however there is one exception.
Sometimes you play those people who are always touting their units and how good they are and how they are going to smash your so and so's or you HQ's or whatever, and it ignites the competitive streak within you.
Then you loose and see that smug grin on their face and they start heckling you, that is when I hate losing.
PrinceRaven wrote: At the risk of turning this into a "women in Warhammer" thread, I'd like to say that I play a variety of games, and I've noticed that there is a much lower female presence in tabletop wargaming than there is in video/card/board/roleplaying games.
I don't see too many women play it, I know plenty who enjoy painting, they just hate the community.
My whole D&D group is made up of women (apart from me) we also played Dreadlfeet and painted dragons- they love dragons, one friend in particular
I can see why they'd hate the community, I don't much like them either
I had a grown adult try to play me with fake dice. Half way through the game when I started noticing how he rolled different dice for scatter than woundind. Grabbed a hold of his dice (not something I would ever do to other players: it's rude to touch without asking). The dice he used for damage had the 1's turned into 3's: he had hollowed out pips and painted them. His Scatter dice had 4's instead of 6's, and 3's instead of 5's. Not all of his dice mind you: only enough to give him an edge when rolling.
wallygator wrote: It's funny how alot of players (specially the young) hide in their rulebooks to search stats they know out of head, as soon as my GF pops up to say "hello, i'm back from shopping, now i go to that place"
woman in GW store, must be tainted by chaos!
It's funny you should say that. I was in the LGS for a doubles tourney, we were getting reamed by a ringer with an ultra powerful Chaos list (allied to an Eldar player). Chaos player is a bit of a jerk and rubs in every single model he kills. My partner and I are not worried by that sort of bahaviour, in fact it just p's off the elitist more if you don't take his gaming seriously.
His team wins, completely tabling us. He proceeds to state "I win at 40k" with a big smug grin on his face.
I shake his hand and congratulate him on a great game, he didn't like that.
Only seconds after letting go of his hand, he gets a weird look on his face, kinda flustered, his attention is diverted, I turn around and see a stunning woman walk in.
She's carrying food, wtf is she doing in a gaming store???
She walks up to me and gives me a kiss, it's food for my gaming partner and I, I hug her, turn to him, wink, and say "I win at life"..
He liked that even less..
My girlfriend had impeccable timing that day
Skabfang, 1
Elitist, 0
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The first one was this guy, we called him Gingy, for obvious reasons. He was very uninformed of the 40k rules, but played like he knew em'. The worst thing about him, was that he actually didn't own an army, he would use a bunch of Chaos Marines as Necron proxies, he also wouldn't write out a list, nor was it ever valid. He was loud and annoying, he would never stop talking about the most pointless things imaginable.
Second was these brothers. Their was a guy at the store, lets call him John, he had a mental disability, and if anyting, it made him more lovable haha His enthusiasm could only be rivalled by a warboss, which he was an ork player. Anyways, these two brothers come by to game, and John challenges them to a 2 on 1 game, from what I heard, John was having a blast, the other guys, not so much. The bros were winning too. So abiout halfway through the game, the one brother just explodes! And starts calling john a slow, and an annoying @#$%%y player, causing him to cry, and then the brother starts laughing about it! I swear those 2 guys are closet killers.
The first one was this guy, we called him Gingy, for obvious reasons. He was very uninformed of the 40k rules, but played like he knew em'. The worst thing about him, was that he actually didn't own an army, he would use a bunch of Chaos Marines as Necron proxies, he also wouldn't write out a list, nor was it ever valid. He was loud and annoying, he would never stop talking about the most pointless things imaginable.
Second was these brothers. Their was a guy at the store, lets call him John, he had a mental disability, and if anyting, it made him more lovable haha His enthusiasm could only be rivalled by a warboss, which he was an ork player. Anyways, these two brothers come by to game, and John challenges them to a 2 on 1 game, from what I heard, John was having a blast, the other guys, not so much. The bros were winning too. So abiout halfway through the game, the one brother just explodes! And starts calling john a slow, and an annoying @#$%%y player, causing him to cry, and then the brother starts laughing about it! I swear those 2 guys are closet killers.
I hope they got a store ban at a minimum! On a side note, I don't know what John's disability was, but it's guys like this http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/537679.page who help give the hobby a good name and show what a great and supportive place it can be for people. I've already donated to the effort!
Experiment 626 wrote: Worst I've ever seen:
One of the local TFG's who had just gone out and bought a boatload of the new Grey Knights when their codex dropped last edition. He noticed the little 12 year old looking for a game, promptly agreed to play him... then found out Little Timmy played Daemons.
So TFG proceeded to put down a Quake-Shunt list with which to troll the poor kid.
Unfortunately, the GK's went first and very quickly covered pretty much the entire in Warp Quake bubble. When the Daemons tried to come down, TFG used his RAW "logic" in order to juggle the auto-misshaping Daemons between quake bubbles in order to either auto-destroy the units or kick them back into reserves.
The poor kid never even got to put a single one of his models on the table, meanwhile the GK player is going on about how cleaver he is with his "tactics" are and how Daemons are the absolute suck and Timmy should go buy a real army...
I have to give the kid super props though, you could see the tears starting to well-up in his eyes, but he managed to hold it in and didn't give the arse the satisfaction of seeing him cry.
id have bounced the clown on his head.
Trolling an adult who is wise enough to see past all that is one thing. Acting like that to a kid is low. And I know people will give me jip about violence etc, but meh. The idiot would have had it coming.
dementedwombat wrote: About tau broadsides, people really underestimate their reach sometimes.
36" range isn't such a big deal, but you move 6" forwards (snapshots don't hurt as much as they could since they're twin linked...and missile drones can shoot the pods at full bs anyway, you did take missile drones didn't you?), then have an ethereal sitting around to give the air invocation that lets them fire snapshots after running (like battle focus...only not quite as good, but a lot more unexpected).
Had a dark eldar venom spam player sitting exactly 37" away from my army (apparently they have some wargear that makes your weapons 6" shorter range or something) and I pulled that one on him.
That was an interesting reaction worthy of this thread to be honest. I said during movement phase "my ethereal gives air invocation" and he just kinda shrugged because nobody expects air invocation (seriously, who doesn't give fire invocation for more pulse rifle shots?) Moved my broadsides 6" forwards, ran them to get 1" further up the board, then started rolling dice to hit. You should have seen the guy's face, he literally started yelling at me that I was cheating and demanded to know how I could do that.
Pulled open the codex to the ethereal page and showed him, then he wanted me to take it back because "I didn't tell him i could do that so he would have stayed further back". At this point I did something I probably shouldn't have and looked straight back at him and just made the "problem astartes" tau face.
Lol. That would have been an epic sight to see.
One time in an apocalpse game, a friend and I challenged a guy who has two Reaver Titans. I took a list containing a farsight bomb with fusion blasters and gun drones, and some Broadsides. The farsight bomb managed to take my opponents squad of Lysander and Terminators down to one wound on Lysander. You should have seen his face when I started shooting with my Broadside SMSs despite him being behind LOS blocking terrain. Killed Lysander and got four victory points for Trophy Kill.
Next turn he charged the farsight bomb with a dreadknight and another unit, since I used shield generator to stop him from shooting my farsight bomb. I hit and run after this and in the next turn I blow his Reaver Titan skyhigh with Fusion Blasters. My firend killed off his other Reaver using wolf guard with meltas and melta bombs. Ah fun times. He certainly wasn't happy.
I once played Apocalypse at 1500 points in my local GW, my opponent took a DE formation with Vect that let his entire Raider army materialize from a portal. He then deployed a shield generator covering every model in his army, meaning he essentially he got to fire everything twice.
Didn't help that he got Vect and the Dais of Destruction completely free because of campaign bonuses or something like that. He then proceeded to kill 6 Tacticals in overwatch with 10 Kabalites when I tried to charge his vehicles.
Games were you never even stand a chance to begin with aren't fun.
dementedwombat wrote: About tau broadsides, people really underestimate their reach sometimes.
36" range isn't such a big deal, but you move 6" forwards (snapshots don't hurt as much as they could since they're twin linked...and missile drones can shoot the pods at full bs anyway, you did take missile drones didn't you?), then have an ethereal sitting around to give the air invocation that lets them fire snapshots after running (like battle focus...only not quite as good, but a lot more unexpected).
Had a dark eldar venom spam player sitting exactly 37" away from my army (apparently they have some wargear that makes your weapons 6" shorter range or something) and I pulled that one on him.
That was an interesting reaction worthy of this thread to be honest. I said during movement phase "my ethereal gives air invocation" and he just kinda shrugged because nobody expects air invocation (seriously, who doesn't give fire invocation for more pulse rifle shots?) Moved my broadsides 6" forwards, ran them to get 1" further up the board, then started rolling dice to hit. You should have seen the guy's face, he literally started yelling at me that I was cheating and demanded to know how I could do that.
Pulled open the codex to the ethereal page and showed him, then he wanted me to take it back because "I didn't tell him i could do that so he would have stayed further back". At this point I did something I probably shouldn't have and looked straight back at him and just made the "problem astartes" tau face.
Lol. That would have been an epic sight to see.
One time in an apocalpse game, a friend and I challenged a guy who has two Reaver Titans. I took a list containing a farsight bomb with fusion blasters and gun drones, and some Broadsides. The farsight bomb managed to take my opponents squad of Lysander and Terminators down to one wound on Lysander. You should have seen his face when I started shooting with my Broadside SMSs despite him being behind LOS blocking terrain. Killed Lysander and got four victory points for Trophy Kill.
Next turn he charged the farsight bomb with a dreadknight and another unit, since I used shield generator to stop him from shooting my farsight bomb. I hit and run after this and in the next turn I blow his Reaver Titan skyhigh with Fusion Blasters. My firend killed off his other Reaver using wolf guard with meltas and melta bombs. Ah fun times. He certainly wasn't happy.
I once played Apocalypse at 1500 points in my local GW, my opponent took a DE formation with Vect that let his entire Raider army materialize from a portal. He then deployed a shield generator covering every model in his army, meaning he essentially he got to fire everything twice.
Didn't help that he got Vect and the Dais of Destruction completely free because of campaign bonuses or something like that. He then proceeded to kill 6 Tacticals in overwatch with 10 Kabalites when I tried to charge his vehicles.
Games were you never even stand a chance to begin with aren't fun.
That second part is just horribly bad luck.
The first sounds exactly like how a DE army mostly works in general.
KonTheory wrote: I played against a tyranid player at the local GW I was playing with my new tau army including 2 riptides
he started complaining about me being cheese before the game even started... he was complaining the whole time we were setting up,
right after we deployed, I stole initiative and he rage quit on the spot...
What was the point level?
at 2000 points I find 2 riptides acceptable, but at 1000 points with 1 riptide it will absolutly rip through my armies. although I won't complain either way.
I like matches where my army is completely outclassed because it first of all gives whoever i'm playing arrogance, and they often make silly moves that they would not usually do, and it allows me to make reckless moves which if they work, could prove to be very awesome (or they could go horribly wrong haha).
thetallestgiraffe wrote: Yeah, I'm a pretty new 15 year old gamer, and I feel like sometimes I can be a bit of a dick. Like once when my MON havocs rolled 8 1s in a row I took them off the board 'cause... I don't really know why.
I at least realised that i was being stupid though and apologised to the guy after the game.
They failed to satisfy their dark gods, and for failing to reap shouls, their fickle masters reaped theirs in turn.
Giraffe, this is actually precisely how a fickle chaos master should react..
1500 against a Tyranid player... well he was fethed from the start ahaha.
The Tyranid dex is mostly overcosted and underpowered units, being a cruddex of course.
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I forgot to add that the intermingling aromas of freshly baked home made muffins and her perfume permeating the store certainly didn't detract from my remark either.......
I hadn't thought about it in a long time, but when I FIRST started playing, there was a kid with a blue LandRaider I will never forget because he looked like he poured the glue over it instead of putting it together. Glue globs under blue paint everywhere. He was disabled and kind of a funny dude, but he liked playing and a guy named..."Phil" (sure we'll go with that)... decideds that this kid "fronted" him and so he challnges him to play on a FOUR BY FOUR board with his tyranids and wasted him in like three turns and was like "In your FACE" to this kid.
No joke. I never did see that kid play again. I saw him at the store a couple more times, literally hanging out all day and trying to sll his unfortunate Landraider to some one. I think it just broke his spirit to play that guy. This "affronted" player is a well known player at our store, so I am evading naming him, but it was really... not awesome. I never saw what triggered this silly display, but knowing the personalities involved, I am guessing not much.
Hadn't even thought about that kid in like... man that musta been 9 years ago. Still kinda stuck with me though I guess.
The manager at our old FLGS ended up cutting all the spiky pyramid things off the walls of the sanctum imperialis scenery, after one certain gamer ( who was a nice enough off the table but deffinetly TFG when gaming) claimed that the marines stood inside couldnt possibly have LOS as they were in the way.
I still remember a couple years back, the former WAAC/TFG player in our group playing (he has been working on being a better sport, and is much better [he just won a sportsmanship prize at a tournament] ) against me in my 2nd ever game of 40k. I go 1st and my dark eldar have a dreadful turn and only kill 2 guardsman which he proceeds to throw at his case. He is getting rather aggravated over 12 pts dying on the 1st turn. Over course, when he proceeds to wreck my army on his part of turn 1, it is the best game he has ever had. Until my talos kills a couple 10 man blob squads, and he rages till the talos dies. Then it is an awesome game (for him) until me incubi + archon start ripping into his guard castle, and he rages till only the archon is left (at that point he had dismantled all my other figures). He was all smile and giggles cause I was left with a damaged raider and 2 warriors left on the table at end game.
optometris wrote: The manager at our old FLGS ended up cutting all the spiky pyramid things off the walls of the sanctum imperialis scenery, after one certain gamer ( who was a nice enough off the table but deffinetly TFG when gaming) claimed that the marines stood inside couldnt possibly have LOS as they were in the way.
I played with a guy that gave me the "realism" talk about flames and how fire being thrown at you couldn't harm you like that. Proceeded to provide an example with a gas incident. Not a liquid incident. Made a massive show of being generous about how the rules worked, despite completely ignoring that men in the world wars would void the contents of both Bowell and bladder at the cough of a flame thrower, or, you know, flame throwers don't throw fire, they actually throw a long-burning liquid at you that is a noxious chemical that happens to be on fire, and the fact that the heat and burning consume oxygen that you need to breathe, melt your eyeballs, burns your lungs and esophagus, and clings to you as it burns. Even then--c'mon, it's 40 flipping k. There's totally a little side story where squad members are going to take advantage of a situation like everyone being distracted by fire to settle a personal vendetta or clear the way for their own advancement, or old Bobby's paralyzingly fear of fire sees him trip as he tries to run and dash the contents of his brain pan on the next rock--or a protruding spiky chaos icon. Or suffering from overuse of combat stims, the model mistook the fwoosh sound for the ice cream truck jingle.
Fire+cover= singed cover. Flame thrower+cover= cover that can't be used for the next 10 minutes because it will continue to burn or be too hot to occupy until then.
optometris wrote: The manager at our old FLGS ended up cutting all the spiky pyramid things off the walls of the sanctum imperialis scenery, after one certain gamer ( who was a nice enough off the table but deffinetly TFG when gaming) claimed that the marines stood inside couldnt possibly have LOS as they were in the way.
I played with a guy that gave me the "realism" talk about flames and how fire being thrown at you couldn't harm you like that. Proceeded to provide an example with a gas incident. Not a liquid incident. Made a massive show of being generous about how the rules worked, despite completely ignoring that men in the world wars would void the contents of both Bowell and bladder at the cough of a flame thrower, or, you know, flame throwers don't throw fire, they actually throw a long-burning liquid at you that is a noxious chemical that happens to be on fire, and the fact that the heat and burning consume oxygen that you need to breathe, melt your eyeballs, burns your lungs and esophagus, and clings to you as it burns. Even then--c'mon, it's 40 flipping k. There's totally a little side story where squad members are going to take advantage of a situation like everyone being distracted by fire to settle a personal vendetta or clear the way for their own advancement, or old Bobby's paralyzingly fear of fire sees him trip as he tries to run and dash the contents of his brain pan on the next rock--or a protruding spiky chaos icon. Or suffering from overuse of combat stims, the model mistook the fwoosh sound for the ice cream truck jingle.
Fire+cover= singed cover. Flame thrower+cover= cover that can't be used for the next 10 minutes because it will continue to burn or be too hot to occupy until then.
Light his clothes on fire... after he gets back from the hospital, ask him how the fire couldn't harm him
Wow, been reading this thread at work, and I was excited to gather my army up and play at FLGS/GW but now I am a little hesitant. I dont mind losing at games, it just makes me want to do better in the end, but I have serious issues with people acting less than human, also with touching my units.
They may be plastic, but I have given names to every member of my pack and even a little back story with em. who knows, I might still go play at the friendly shop, I am not too sure Ill ever go to the GW shop, the manager is a .
I also hate the idea of groaning and moaning before the game actually starts, regardless of the army I play against, I am sure I will have a little fun.
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: Wow, been reading this thread at work, and I was excited to gather my army up and play at FLGS/GW but now I am a little hesitant. I dont mind losing at games, it just makes me want to do better in the end, but I have serious issues with people acting less than human, also with touching my units.
You're reading about the lowest of the low, that 1-2% of people who just completely suck. Most people are fine.
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: Wow, been reading this thread at work, and I was excited to gather my army up and play at FLGS/GW but now I am a little hesitant. I dont mind losing at games, it just makes me want to do better in the end, but I have serious issues with people acting less than human, also with touching my units.
You're reading about the lowest of the low, that 1-2% of people who just completely suck. Most people are fine.
I hope so, dont wana goot booted from the local shops after my first game with em.
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: Wow, been reading this thread at work, and I was excited to gather my army up and play at FLGS/GW but now I am a little hesitant. I dont mind losing at games, it just makes me want to do better in the end, but I have serious issues with people acting less than human, also with touching my units.
You're reading about the lowest of the low, that 1-2% of people who just completely suck. Most people are fine.
I hope so, dont wana goot booted from the local shops after my first game with em.
Yeah "that guy" is a singular for a reason :p On the whole warhammer players help your hobby with spare parts and advise if anything :p
I guess I can confess to having been the really immature player.
When I started playing it was OnG vs Dwarfs (we had one BfSP each, plus some extras) and everytime we played my Orcs would be about 500 (plus minus, I never really counted) more than his and I could cheat (changing the die result when he wasn't looking, claiming false stats etc) but I stopped all that once we switched to 40k, now (to repent for my sins so to speak) try to be as friendly as possible, never being 'That Guy' and just make sure that every game is a fun and pleasant experience for everyone involved.
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: Wow, been reading this thread at work, and I was excited to gather my army up and play at FLGS/GW but now I am a little hesitant. I dont mind losing at games, it just makes me want to do better in the end, but I have serious issues with people acting less than human, also with touching my units.
You're reading about the lowest of the low, that 1-2% of people who just completely suck. Most people are fine.
I hope so, dont wana goot booted from the local shops after my first game with em.
Yeah "that guy" is a singular for a reason :p On the whole warhammer players help your hobby with spare parts and advise if anything :p
glad to hear that, I will be sure to take pictures (if my opponent is ok with it) and give a BR friday evening
Gar'Ang wrote: I guess I can confess to having been the really immature player.
When I started playing it was OnG vs Dwarfs (we had one BfSP each, plus some extras) and everytime we played my Orcs would be about 500 (plus minus, I never really counted) more than his and I could cheat (changing the die result when he wasn't looking, claiming false stats etc) but I stopped all that once we switched to 40k, now (to repent for my sins so to speak) try to be as friendly as possible, never being 'That Guy' and just make sure that every game is a fun and pleasant experience for everyone involved.
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: Wow, been reading this thread at work, and I was excited to gather my army up and play at FLGS/GW but now I am a little hesitant. I dont mind losing at games, it just makes me want to do better in the end, but I have serious issues with people acting less than human, also with touching my units.
They may be plastic, but I have given names to every member of my pack and even a little back story with em. who knows, I might still go play at the friendly shop, I am not too sure Ill ever go to the GW shop, the manager is a .
I also hate the idea of groaning and moaning before the game actually starts, regardless of the army I play against, I am sure I will have a little fun.
Think of it this way. Remember having been forced through sports? Band? Or classes? There is always that one..... Nuzzler, or.... You know, that person with the doctorate in making themselves the least liked person there because they know everything, are the best at it, and are naturally always right? They exist everywhere, along with people that suffer from the compulsive need to win. Look for the person that bends over laughing when Pedro kantor or pask-in-a-punisher roll all 1s on their to-shoot roll, or giggle when their ordnance drifts into their own guardsmen/mobz. You'll probably have fun.
dementedwombat wrote: About tau broadsides, people really underestimate their reach sometimes.
36" range isn't such a big deal, but you move 6" forwards (snapshots don't hurt as much as they could since they're twin linked...and missile drones can shoot the pods at full bs anyway, you did take missile drones didn't you?), then have an ethereal sitting around to give the air invocation that lets them fire snapshots after running (like battle focus...only not quite as good, but a lot more unexpected).
Had a dark eldar venom spam player sitting exactly 37" away from my army (apparently they have some wargear that makes your weapons 6" shorter range or something) and I pulled that one on him.
That was an interesting reaction worthy of this thread to be honest. I said during movement phase "my ethereal gives air invocation" and he just kinda shrugged because nobody expects air invocation (seriously, who doesn't give fire invocation for more pulse rifle shots?) Moved my broadsides 6" forwards, ran them to get 1" further up the board, then started rolling dice to hit. You should have seen the guy's face, he literally started yelling at me that I was cheating and demanded to know how I could do that.
Pulled open the codex to the ethereal page and showed him, then he wanted me to take it back because "I didn't tell him i could do that so he would have stayed further back". At this point I did something I probably shouldn't have and looked straight back at him and just made the "problem astartes" tau face.
Lol. That would have been an epic sight to see.
One time in an apocalpse game, a friend and I challenged a guy who has two Reaver Titans. I took a list containing a farsight bomb with fusion blasters and gun drones, and some Broadsides. The farsight bomb managed to take my opponents squad of Lysander and Terminators down to one wound on Lysander. You should have seen his face when I started shooting with my Broadside SMSs despite him being behind LOS blocking terrain. Killed Lysander and got four victory points for Trophy Kill.
Next turn he charged the farsight bomb with a dreadknight and another unit, since I used shield generator to stop him from shooting my farsight bomb. I hit and run after this and in the next turn I blow his Reaver Titan skyhigh with Fusion Blasters. My firend killed off his other Reaver using wolf guard with meltas and melta bombs. Ah fun times. He certainly wasn't happy.
I once played Apocalypse at 1500 points in my local GW, my opponent took a DE formation with Vect that let his entire Raider army materialize from a portal. He then deployed a shield generator covering every model in his army, meaning he essentially he got to fire everything twice.
Didn't help that he got Vect and the Dais of Destruction completely free because of campaign bonuses or something like that. He then proceeded to kill 6 Tacticals in overwatch with 10 Kabalites when I tried to charge his vehicles.
Games were you never even stand a chance to begin with aren't fun.
Oh I know that games where you don't really stand a chance aren't fun but the player we were up against does this himself. He is the same player I mentioned before who always brings this one big thing which takes up between a third to a half points of his army. He doesn't hold back against anybody so we didn't hold back against him.
KonTheory wrote: I played against a tyranid player at the local GW I was playing with my new tau army including 2 riptides
he started complaining about me being cheese before the game even started... he was complaining the whole time we were setting up,
right after we deployed, I stole initiative and he rage quit on the spot...
What was the point level?
at 2000 points I find 2 riptides acceptable, but at 1000 points with 1 riptide it will absolutly rip through my armies. although I won't complain either way.
I like matches where my army is completely outclassed because it first of all gives whoever i'm playing arrogance, and they often make silly moves that they would not usually do, and it allows me to make reckless moves which if they work, could prove to be very awesome (or they could go horribly wrong haha).
I went to a store tourney at warhammer world. I wrote a list for one of my friends who also plays Tau. I managed to get his two Riptides in his 600pt list.
My teams list was a bit more sensible. We didn't take any Riptides but in the end our idea didn't work out well anyway as we didn't get the aegis line ready in place.
Ironwill13791 wrote: I still remember a couple years back, the former WAAC/TFG player in our group playing (he has been working on being a better sport, and is much better [he just won a sportsmanship prize at a tournament] ) against me in my 2nd ever game of 40k. I go 1st and my dark eldar have a dreadful turn and only kill 2 guardsman which he proceeds to throw at his case. He is getting rather aggravated over 12 pts dying on the 1st turn. Over course, when he proceeds to wreck my army on his part of turn 1, it is the best game he has ever had. Until my talos kills a couple 10 man blob squads, and he rages till the talos dies. Then it is an awesome game (for him) until me incubi + archon start ripping into his guard castle, and he rages till only the archon is left (at that point he had dismantled all my other figures). He was all smile and giggles cause I was left with a damaged raider and 2 warriors left on the table at end game.
Huh? I really hope you don't mean literally. Though from the content of this thread anything is possible...
I could laugh at these stories all day... thanks for posting them. Unfortunately a few of those players may be on the forum. ( I'm sorry.... I'm snickering away to myself ). We just have to smile and move on. It's a story that will repeat itself down through the ages. P.S. I'm 40+ but I don't remember playing any of you.
Ironwill13791 wrote: I still remember a couple years back, the former WAAC/TFG player in our group playing (he has been working on being a better sport, and is much better [he just won a sportsmanship prize at a tournament] ) against me in my 2nd ever game of 40k. I go 1st and my dark eldar have a dreadful turn and only kill 2 guardsman which he proceeds to throw at his case. He is getting rather aggravated over 12 pts dying on the 1st turn. Over course, when he proceeds to wreck my army on his part of turn 1, it is the best game he has ever had. Until my talos kills a couple 10 man blob squads, and he rages till the talos dies. Then it is an awesome game (for him) until me incubi + archon start ripping into his guard castle, and he rages till only the archon is left (at that point he had dismantled all my other figures). He was all smile and giggles cause I was left with a damaged raider and 2 warriors left on the table at end game.
Huh? I really hope you don't mean literally. Though from the content of this thread anything is possible...
No, he wasn't that extreme. He has never touched anyone else's figures, just his own. He has gotten to the point of flipping dice and moving infantry 8" before people wouldn't play him and he started working on his attitude.
We briefly had a guy in our HackMaster RPG that would say "Shooka-Shooka" every time he rolled the dice. Every. Time. He would also ask "How many Eeeps did I get today?" meaning experience points. As a player, he would buy the module that the GM was running us through and read ahead. We called him out on it when he started arguing about "That's not what the book says to do". Also, he would lie about dice rolls, which is the worst offense a player can make.
We kicked him out of our group and became much more selective about who we let in. Nothing smaller than a C-Cup was a rule for a while, but sadly, no one would reply to those personal ads in craigslist...
kronk wrote: We briefly had a guy in our HackMaster RPG that would say "Shooka-Shooka" every time he rolled the dice. Every. Time. As a player, he would buy the module that the GM was running us through and read ahead. We called him out on it when he started arguing about "That's not what the book says to do". Also, he would lie about dice rolls, which is the worst offense a player can make.
We kicked him out of our group and became much more selective about who we let in. Nothing smaller than a C-Cup was a rule for a while, but sadly, no one would reply to those personal ads in craigslist...
GM rule 101: When a player cheats, cheat better.
I had a player who cheated on rolls with his ranger, strangely that night 4 orc barbarians snuck up on him that night and slaughtered him, strangely his rolls are honest now
His character, having the highest STR in the party, did get kidnapped by the female Minotaur we encountered, just like the module said to run her. On his last day, no less.
Later on, on another evenings role playing, we found his character chained to a wall, smelling of bovine lovin'.
kronk wrote: We briefly had a guy in our HackMaster RPG that would say "Shooka-Shooka" every time he rolled the dice. Every. Time. As a player, he would buy the module that the GM was running us through and read ahead. We called him out on it when he started arguing about "That's not what the book says to do". Also, he would lie about dice rolls, which is the worst offense a player can make.
We kicked him out of our group and became much more selective about who we let in. Nothing smaller than a C-Cup was a rule for a while, but sadly, no one would reply to those personal ads in craigslist...
GM rule 101: When a player cheats, cheat better.
I had a player who cheated on rolls with his ranger, strangely that night 4 orc barbarians snuck up on him that night and slaughtered him, strangely his rolls are honest now
Don't torque off the person with the god-like powers over the world. It's funny how all the random bad events and monsters target the guy who's d20 averages a 15.
My only bad event so far has been the incredulity of one player over the loss of his WraithKnight. It had two of the cannons, not the sword and board. I charge it with Abaddon after he lost his Chosen to shooting. I decided to use the Talon of Horus instead of Drach'nyen. Yes, I lose the 2-6 extra attacks, but I wound on 4s and have AP3 so he gets no save, plus I have Shred to make sure they count. I had to show him 3 times that yes, he gets 7 attacks on the charge (4 + extra weapon, +Charge, +Rage), then again about how he gets the extra weapon attack since both weapons are Specialist Weapons, then AGAIN that the claw is not Unwieldly like most x2 Power weapons. The result to much whining, and glorious re-rolls, I do 6 wounds and kill him in one combat round. I've never been able to duplicate that good of an attack. I guess maybe the next part wasn't very childish, but he had all the other units around Abaddon use their full moves from then on to get away from Abbadon, even his CC troops like Striking Scorpions, to make sure Abaddon couldn't kill anything else.
This man is my friend, and I guess I can understand his loss, seeing as how he had just purchased it the day before. Ouch.
From this discussion, I have read many stories about TFG, but does this kind of thing happen much with friends, or people that become your friends after?
Wardragoon wrote: I had a player who cheated on rolls with his ranger, strangely that night 4 orc barbarians snuck up on him that night and slaughtered him, strangely his rolls are honest now
A person from my school of GMing!
A psyker in a Dark Heresy game was overusing their power and trying to minmax.
This of course did not end well for them. They later were mutated in to a little girl and had some amusing psychic phenomena happen to them.
I freely admit to fudging my dice rolls in RPGs. There have been numerous times where I rolled horribly. And by "rolled horribly" I mean the number on the die was a 19.
chaosvoices wrote: his man is my friend, and I guess I can understand his loss, seeing as how he had just purchased it the day before. Ouch.
In my experience having just bought a model is a great way to guarantee its horrible demise in its first battle. Having just finished painting it acts in very much the same way.
chaosvoices wrote: his man is my friend, and I guess I can understand his loss, seeing as how he had just purchased it the day before. Ouch.
In my experience having just bought a model is a great way to guarantee its horrible demise in its first battle. Having just finished painting it acts in very much the same way.
It's even more pronounced when it's your first painted model in the army because people focus on that even harder.
kronk wrote: We briefly had a guy in our HackMaster RPG that would say "Shooka-Shooka" every time he rolled the dice. Every. Time. As a player, he would buy the module that the GM was running us through and read ahead. We called him out on it when he started arguing about "That's not what the book says to do". Also, he would lie about dice rolls, which is the worst offense a player can make.
We kicked him out of our group and became much more selective about who we let in. Nothing smaller than a C-Cup was a rule for a while, but sadly, no one would reply to those personal ads in craigslist...
GM rule 101: When a player cheats, cheat better.
I had a player who cheated on rolls with his ranger, strangely that night 4 orc barbarians snuck up on him that night and slaughtered him, strangely his rolls are honest now
Don't torque off the person with the god-like powers over the world. It's funny how all the random bad events and monsters target the guy who's d20 averages a 15.
It baffles me when people cheat in RPGs, there's nothing quite as fun as trying to dodge an incoming bug spirit leaping out of a person's chest then spending the rest of the combat rolling scatter dice you brought with you to determine what direction your character's muffled screaming body goes during the combat cuz you critically failed and it's latched onto your head. Or pulling back your claymore to invoke a righteous prayer of undead slaying only to have it bounce off of the minion wight's head doing 1 damage.
Or having very hard too see dices are rolling the furthest away from the GM (me) or the other players and having to rely on the not-known-that-much player's ethics to give you the correct results.
Then he never showed up because he and another player dropped as they had hockey games to watch
Haha wow when I used to DM I actually fudged the dice when I was rolling too well. I would roll a lot of 20's it seemed (only when DM'ing of course) and didn't want to kill the players off. It's sad for both the players and DM when some random encounter goblins beat you up and run of with all the gold and loot from a big dungeon, but to kill them as well is a little too harsh for me.
Anyway back to 40k.
Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.
Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.
Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.
Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.
I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).
I think that would be a good time for all involved...
Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.
Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.
I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).
I think that would be a good time for all involved...
I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...
Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.
Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.
I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).
I think that would be a good time for all involved...
I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...
If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.
Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.
Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.
I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).
I think that would be a good time for all involved...
I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...
If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.
This sounds like a great idea, but it seems we're all across the globe...
Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.
Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.
I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).
I think that would be a good time for all involved...
I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...
If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.
This sounds like a great idea, but it seems we're all across the globe...
While this sounds great, perhaps it should be discussed in its own thread.
Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.
Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.
I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).
I think that would be a good time for all involved...
I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...
If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.
This sounds like a great idea, but it seems we're all across the globe...
Suddenly a Startrek style transporter seems necessary
chaosvoices wrote: his man is my friend, and I guess I can understand his loss, seeing as how he had just purchased it the day before. Ouch.
In my experience having just bought a model is a great way to guarantee its horrible demise in its first battle. Having just finished painting it acts in very much the same way.
Best time to be an Ork player.
Day 1, mate buys fancy new model.
Day 2, Orks destroy fancy new model easily, tearing it to shreads, to chagrin of friend. Ork player loudly and proudly announces that he is "looting" said new model.
Day 3, Ork player fields fancy new looted version of model and proceeds to tear friends army a new a.hole.
True story. Mate brought a Defiler, I smote it, I looted it, brought my own, modified it with awsome orkiness, and used it against him on our next game as a Deffdread.
He is my mate, so no more than a big WTF fit, but was certainly funny.
While this sounds great, perhaps it should be discussed in its own thread.
Feel free to throw up a "last stand scenario discussion thread". It's too late for me to write things up reasonably right now, it would just turn into rambling. I have some ideas but nothing concrete right now. Ideally I'd like it to be an actual scenario that's more open ended so more people can play.
The defender gets access to pretty much their entire army list, although I think maybe we need to put some limits on what they could bring (maybe look at the kill team restrictions). This is never meant to be a competitive scenario but some limits fit the theme. also like to add some kind of Necromunda type ammo roles (if you roll 1 to hit, roll a dice again, if you roll below the weapon's "ammo number" the weapon jams or runs dry and can't be used anymore. Of course all the cool weapons like flamers and assault cannons get ammo rolls of 5 or 6).
The attacker gets a ton of troop models without ranged attacks that can come back in from a board edge when wiped out and a few elite models ("special infected").
The objective of the game is just for the defender's warlord to be alive at the end of a certain number of turns, when the air support comes in, clears a LZ, and evacuates him/her/it
Could see pretty much any army being the defenders, attackers could of course be plague zombies, tyranids, feral orks, not as many options but some variety is there.
Loving this thread. Having played on and off since second edition, I read most of these posts and just nod recollecting similar stories.
I think one of the worst things that has happened with the hobby is the prevelence of the internet from a gaming perspective. Before you would see players with the same army come up with entirely different lists at tournaments, and there was less flavor of the month army transitioning. You were really rewarded for making solid lists. Today, thanks to the internet, people mathammer out the best lists almost as soon as the codex goes live, and for most armies there seems to be a template of what you do an don't take. Look over at the SoB codex thread with people calling it brilliant or rubbish before playing a single game. Or just look on the army list pages here, full of folks telling other players what their list should and shouldn't look like, even for casual stuff. Roll into tournaments and see multiple players with the same army, often playing the exact same list. The internet has seemed to have spawned a new breed of powergamer that only plays template lists pulled from very sites like this, chocked full of as much cheese as possible. While most of us here likely don't play that way, it has been discouraging lately seeing the lack of creativity with list building at tournaments over the last few years, particularly in 40k.
As for my worst story, I played in a tournament recently against a GK player in his 40's, that was a fairly established player at our shop, albiet one with a reputation for being a turd on occasion. After we set up, I stepped out to use the restroom and when I came back noticed my C'tan was missing from the table. The guy claimed I had never set one up, although I was dead certain I did. The shop owner and tournament ref got involved, and trying to call our bluff, told us to search his stuff even though no one accused him of stealing anything. Sure enough at the bottom of his backpack was my beautiful C'tan Deceiver staring right back at me. He naturally got DQ'd on the spot and is banned for life from the shop. I've dealt with immature players and powergamers over the almost 20 years I've been in the hobby, but never once has anyone tried to steal from me, right from the tabletop in a tournament no less, until this incident.
riburn3 wrote: As for my worst story, I played in a tournament recently against a GK player in his 40's, that was a fairly established player at our shop, albiet one with a reputation for being a turd on occasion. After we set up, I stepped out to use the restroom and when I came back noticed my C'tan was missing from the table. The guy claimed I had never set one up, although I was dead certain I did. The shop owner and tournament ref got involved, and trying to call our bluff, told us to search his stuff even though no one accused him of stealing anything. Sure enough at the bottom of his backpack was my beautiful C'tan Deceiver staring right back at me. He naturally got DQ'd on the spot and is banned for life from the shop. I've dealt with immature players and powergamers over the almost 20 years I've been in the hobby, but never once has anyone tried to steal from me, right from the tabletop in a tournament no less, until this incident.
Wow, thats a new low if ever i saw one. If this happened to me I would be absolutely raging.
riburn3 wrote: As for my worst story, I played in a tournament recently against a GK player in his 40's, that was a fairly established player at our shop, albiet one with a reputation for being a turd on occasion. After we set up, I stepped out to use the restroom and when I came back noticed my C'tan was missing from the table. The guy claimed I had never set one up, although I was dead certain I did. The shop owner and tournament ref got involved, and trying to call our bluff, told us to search his stuff even though no one accused him of stealing anything. Sure enough at the bottom of his backpack was my beautiful C'tan Deceiver staring right back at me. He naturally got DQ'd on the spot and is banned for life from the shop. I've dealt with immature players and powergamers over the almost 20 years I've been in the hobby, but never once has anyone tried to steal from me, right from the tabletop in a tournament no less, until this incident.
Wow, thats a new low if ever i saw one. If this happened to me I would be absolutely raging.
I think I was more shocked if anything. I'm probably the most calm wargamer there is, enjoying a loss as a learning experience just as much as a win, and it's really hard for someone to get under my skin. I didn't rage, I honestly just couldn't believe someone would be so stupid as to steal a model, let alone before we have even played a single turn. Pocket a lone necron warrior and I wouldn't have noticed. Take one of the centerpiece models away, it's pretty obvious. The guy didn't even apologize. Just threw his stuff in his box hastily and left. The real irony is he accidently left a nicely painted Librarian in a building that he probably forgot about. It's now sitting in my display case, wondering if it will ever be reclaimed.
I think I was more shocked if anything. I'm probably the most calm wargamer there is, enjoying a loss as a learning experience just as much as a win, and it's really hard for someone to get under my skin. I didn't rage, I honestly just couldn't believe someone would be so stupid as to steal a model, let alone before we have even played a single turn. Pocket a lone necron warrior and I wouldn't have noticed. Take one of the centerpiece models away, it's pretty obvious. The guy didn't even apologize. Just threw his stuff in his box hastily and left. The real irony is he accidently left a nicely painted Librarian in a building that he probably forgot about. It's now sitting in my display case, wondering if it will ever be reclaimed.
I'd probably be shocked as well for a few seconds but then I would really be angry. Not to say that I would go ballistic or anything but I would certainly need to exert some control to make sure I didn't go overboard.
Aeroroot wrote: I had a grown adult try to play me with fake dice. Half way through the game when I started noticing how he rolled different dice for scatter than woundind. Grabbed a hold of his dice (not something I would ever do to other players: it's rude to touch without asking). The dice he used for damage had the 1's turned into 3's: he had hollowed out pips and painted them. His Scatter dice had 4's instead of 6's, and 3's instead of 5's. Not all of his dice mind you: only enough to give him an edge when rolling.
Wow one's life must be pathetic indeed if one has to fix dice in order to win at toy soldiers more often.
Agreed Skriker, I think the worst Die related thing I ever encountered was someone yelling at me for "loaded" dice. I bought a sweet set of Wrought Iron Dice at the Local Renaissance Faire, horribly balanced and I never roll them, I use them for Deployment Markers because rolling them on anything that's not metal pretty much destroys them and they like to roll 3s due to being hand made. Anywho, I put them out on the table, and one of them is double punched with a 2 on one side because the guy hit the hammer twice. The guy is all flustered because I'm using dice and don't have nifty neon green sticks that say deployment zone, and when he sees that die goes on a rage about how I'm using mismarked dice and I must be a cheater! He actually went through every die I had to make sure they were legit, despite everyone at the store backing me up. Crazy weird, he was a cool guy though after he was certain I wasn't cheating him.
At my local shop we have a pretty good group of people. The unfortunate part is that a lot of kids just get dropped off their by their parents and we become defacto babysitters. One kid was probably like 14 or 15, which is too old to be babysat, but he had Asperger's Syndrome. Having a lot of other 14-15 year old kids in there and some 18-21's that acted 14-15 this poor kid got picked on a lot. Being as I'm one of the oldest (I'm only 26...) I decided to set the example and treat the dude with respect. This was pretty difficult because he was actually very annoying but I still don't like the way people had been treating him. I also curbed the teasing and tried to get people to include him more. He had an incident during a seperate card game tournament that involved screaming, kicking walls, and stomping on the floor enough to cause damage. He was banned, haven't seen him since and honestly, I feel bad about it.
The one that upsets me are people that hit on my wife. First of all, she's wearing a wedding ring. Like an obvious wedding ring, I understand that they might be 15 and not understand that or be able to pick out a clue like that, but come on, she's 30... Second of all, after she's said something like, "I'm flattered, but I'm married, and that's my husband over there," PLEASE STOP HITTING ON HER FROM THAT TIME FORWARD. Granted I don't really have to do anything about it since she's an adult and can fight her own battles but it really weirds me out when you say something creepy to my wife and then want to play a game with me.
Brennus43 wrote: Being as I'm one of the oldest (I'm only 26...) I decided to set the example and treat the dude with respect.
The one that upsets me are people that hit on my wife. First of all, she's wearing a wedding ring. Like an obvious wedding ring, I understand that they might be 15 and not understand that or be able to pick out a clue like that, but come on, she's 30... Second of all, after she's said something like, "I'm flattered, but I'm married, and that's my husband over there," PLEASE STOP HITTING ON HER FROM THAT TIME FORWARD. Granted I don't really have to do anything about it since she's an adult and can fight her own battles but it really weirds me out when you say something creepy to my wife and then want to play a game with me.
Agreed...once the woman says no thanks it is time to move along, especially when she points to her husband in the store with her. Of course no one accused everyone in game stores as having any clues about social interaction, especially with women. Luckily my FLGS does a lot of board gaming and Saturday nights the store has a very high percentage of female players in house so it has less of the "Oh my gawrsh it's a female" issues most of the time.
Also kudos to you for taking the high road and trying to do your best and set an example of respect for others. We have a young pair of brothers who have played in our Flames of War leagues a lot in recent years. When they started they were like 9 and 12 and now are 11 and 14. There father is always there when they are playing, but they are good kids. They behave well and they win AND lose well also. Their father is always thanking us for treating the kids so well and accepting them into the group. The kids are well behaved and love the game as much as the rest of us. No reason to thank us. Brats are not accepted very well, though being a brat, as this thread shows, has nothing to do with the age of the player.
Long story short: I was playing a fun Typhus and zombies list (not in it to win by any sort, and I mentioned that to him) he swaps out all his fusion and plasma for burst cannons on the fly while setting up. (which I didn't know he did until after when I commented on how little anti-tank he had) and tables me in three turns. He was going to win anyway with his jump shoot jump, he didn't need to tailor to me like that.
Do a lot of people do that? Swap weapons out if they see no tanks or lots of terminators etc.
I've actually always wanted to run a "last stand" scenario with some fire warirors and an ethereal vs tons and tons of zombies. Maybe introduce some kind of "ammo rules" where my guns start running dry after so many shots (or Necromunda ammo checks).
I think that would be a good time for all involved...
I'd be completely game for that! Add some guardsmen in there as well and see what happens. Man now you got me thinking about doing an awesome last stand...
If you do it in western Canada count me in - that sounds epic.
This sounds like a great idea, but it seems we're all across the globe...
While this sounds great, perhaps it should be discussed in its own thread.
I don't know about you guys, buy i find this thread REALLY interesting to read for some reason, i guess because i know what some TFG's are like nowadays ( because at my store we're all very nice, there are even female gamers ). I must confess i do have a cheese list, but it was created purely for the destruction of TFG's... i have taken an oath to never use it in any other games, i use my other list, the fun list, the friendly list! Although if i find someone damaging any of my models deliberately i'll put a ramrod up their rectum because ALL my models are heavily converted... That too was an oath.
I think i mentioned this one before, but oh well, i had this little frakkin kid (bout' 12 years old i'd say) about 3 years ago rant on about how GK's are the most powerful and are superior to IG, the other thing is that this little boy seemed to love dreadknights, i voiced my opinion in that i thought they are rather odd looking in that they look like baby carriers, He complimented my face by saying it too, resembled a baby carrier... I just rolled my eyes, and went back to browsing orks. :| Honestly, my experience with the fanbase of warhammer are some of the nicest people you could hope to meet, dakkadakka is full of some lovely people for example! This thread has a lot of good people too, but unfortunately it pains me knowing that there are TFG's out there disturbing the fun...and the fluff, the poor fluff...
Wasn't the "your face looks like a baby carrier" on here a few pages back? Or is this some common insult among the young ones? Could swear I saw that somewhere recently.
doc1234 wrote: Wasn't the "your face looks like a baby carrier" on here a few pages back? Or is this some common insult among the young ones? Could swear I saw that somewhere recently.
"Well your face looks like [Object]" is a fairly standard tool used for insults. Similar to "So does your mother."
doc1234 wrote: Wasn't the "your face looks like a baby carrier" on here a few pages back? Or is this some common insult among the young ones? Could swear I saw that somewhere recently.
"Well your face looks like [Object]" is a fairly standard tool used for insults. Similar to "So does your mother."
Specifically meant the baby carrier, but fair enough! Just tickled me it came up again, deja vu even
I played a 2v2 game against to kids, amybe 12 and 15 years old, the other da. The younger one was nice and wellbehaved but the other one wa realy annoying. The game was 750 points per player but this guy, who played tyranids, had only counted up a 500 point list despite having the extra 250 points with him and forced everyone else to play 500 points as well. From the start of the game he was complaining that his list didin't stand a chance against us, I was playing tau and my team mate IG, despite his list being two tervigons and 30 termagants. I know he has been playing in the store for a year or so but he still didn't know all the rules, even from his own codex such as if more termagants are spawned than one has models the excess is destroyed and he had no clue about the backlash from tervigons dying. When I tried explaining the part about excess models he got so angry that we just let him use some unpainted guardians as proxies just to shut him up. At one point he even tried to stack models on top of each other so that more gants could shoot at me when he rolled quite low for his test to get up to the second floor and there wasn't enough room to place more models than two.
The most fun part of the game though was when my team was planning how to win the battle and the 'nid player starts complaing that it's not very nice to plan how to kill his models before the game has even started.
I know I wasn't overly friendly to him after the the first turn either but I still played through the game, didn't insult him and tried to explain the rules to him.
Mostly I pitied the eldar player on his team though that was getting totally dominated by the older guy and when he made tactically sound decisions the other started complaing about his moves and calling him stupid.
Dantioch wrote: I . At one point he even tried to stack models on top of each other so that more gants could shoot at me when he rolled quite low for his test to get up to the second floor and there wasn't enough room to place more models than two.
i remember a kid that did this once with orks so i let him do it then missile launcher extra hits for me
Had another game last weekend where the guy, though not freaking out or anything, was one of the cockiest and most stuck up individuals I have ever met. That, and the fact that he tried to makeup rules the entire game and got offended and mad whenever I pointed out the flaws, kind of a WAAC player. Over the course of the game:
-I was going to playtest and Mechdar list however my opponente, who was Tau demanded that it be a "friendly game" and I said sure. He then proceeded to bring out x2 Riptides (x1 Ion Accelerator and x1 Heavy Burst Cannon with Earth Caste Pilot Array), Fire Warriors ect. aka a basic tournament Tau gunline list in a 1000pt. game. Now my store is competitive so I was not annoyed by that, but by his whining when I placed x3 Wave Serpents on the table claiming "its not a tournament". I calmly pointed out how his list was very close to a tournament list and he shut up after that.
-He deployed with the Burst Cannon Riptide on the table and seeing this I decided to place my x1 Fire Prism on the table as his Ion Accelerator was in reserve. During his first turn he then claimed that "oh I meant to put the other one on, I thought the Ion accelerator was the Heavy Burst Cannon" despite the fact he has been playing Tau his whole 40k career . However it being a "friendly game" I allowed it. Then it sniped my Fire Prism on the first turn...was not to thrilled but kept my cool.
-He claimed that Au Va could join with a squad of Fire Warriors (not an IC so he cant) and my Wave Serpent I was playtesting his Eldar hit him with his Serpent Shield ignoring the AP ward save. After I said I wiped out his squad he started to look quite angry and offended saying he knows his book and knows Au Va can join a squad of Fire Warriors, after I made him look it up he then claimed that it would not be fair to play the rest of the game that way and demanded I let him keep him in a squad of Fire Warriors (it was supposed to be a "Friendly Game" so again I allowed it).
Those were the big ones by mainly his cocky, nose in the air attitude is what bothered me over the course of the game, however that all changed when I was able to squeeze out a draw at the last second! He then tried to say he won because of kill points where I calmly mentioned I would have had Slay the Warlord, First Blood and the additional Ethereal Killpoint if we were playing it "as it should have been". He then got all huffy, packed up and stormed outside to "get some air". Not going to be playing him ever again unless its a tournament.
If you get him in a tournament, please bring up "But it's not a tournament...oh wait" or something as you grind him under heel. Can't stand people weaseling like that.
When I first got into Warhammer I was amazed at how much whining there was when people brought well-made competitive lists compared to other games I was familiar with. Sure, when someone brings a top tier deck to a locals in Yu-Gi-Oh they might get a bit of flak for it, depending on how competitive the playerbase is there, but nowhere near the degree of shaming and negativity you see with a 40k player bringing Wraithwing or Triptide.
PrinceRaven wrote: When I first got into Warhammer I was amazed at how much whining there was when people brought well-made competitive lists compared to other games I was familiar with. Sure, when someone brings a top tier deck to a locals in Yu-Gi-Oh they might get a bit of flak for it, depending on how competitive the playerbase is there, but nowhere near the degree of shaming and negativity you see with a 40k player bringing Wraithwing or Triptide.
That's not a problem with the players 'just' whining. That's a problem with the game balance.
I don't know about YuGiOh but compared to other tabletop games people shame and complain about 'those' lists so much because the game is built in such a way that it is almost impossible for someone playing a 'fluffy' list to win against 'those' lists.
It's pretty much the same in Yu-Gi-Oh, at least when I played. The only time someone with a top tier deck would lose to a low tier deck was when they were severely outplayed or incredibly unlucky. 40k players act like imbalance is unique to Warhammer and it really isn't. Personally, I find it much easier to compete with semi-competitive lists in 40k than I ever did playing second tier decks in Yu-Gi-Oh.
Think the problem is semi obvious frome any of the pther threads on here. Its a none competative (as according to gw) and fairly sloppy ruleset ("we'er a model company not a game company") being hammered into a competative environment that somehow the rules encourage (because even playing fluffy there are some options that if you take you'll get destroyed by other fluffy lists). In honesty it's like chess with the option to leave pieces out. If you bring the queen and bishops you're WAAC, if you don't you're fluffy but now watch as everyone who is playing with a full set destroys you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: and tsung, imbalance isn't a challange, it's lazyness when it gets to a certain point.
I agree with both of you, actually. To a certain extend, imbalance adds variety and challenge to a game, making it fun and interesting. Super Smash Bros. would be a much less engaging game if it was perfectly balanced, Still, at the same time, you do want things so overly imbalanced that it's completely broken. This video is relevant:
gmaleron wrote: -He claimed that Au Va could join with a squad of Fire Warriors (not an IC so he cant) and my Wave Serpent I was playtesting his Eldar hit him with his Serpent Shield ignoring the AP ward save. After I said I wiped out his squad he started to look quite angry and offended saying he knows his book and knows Au Va can join a squad of Fire Warriors, after I made him look it up he then claimed that it would not be fair to play the rest of the game that way and demanded I let him keep him in a squad of Fire Warriors (it was supposed to be a "Friendly Game" so again I allowed it).
That's just hilarious. What was his reason for how it "wouldn't be fair" if you didn't let him cheat?
PrinceRaven wrote: I agree with both of you, actually. To a certain extend, imbalance adds variety and challenge to a game, making it fun and interesting. Super Smash Bros. would be a much less engaging game if it was perfectly balanced, Still, at the same time, you do want things so overly imbalanced that it's completely broken. This video is relevant:
That was probably one of the most interesting videos I have ever seen. It actually helps in looking at 40k from a different perspective.
PrinceRaven wrote: I agree with both of you, actually. To a certain extend, imbalance adds variety and challenge to a game, making it fun and interesting. Super Smash Bros. would be a much less engaging game if it was perfectly balanced, Still, at the same time, you do want things so overly imbalanced that it's completely broken. This video is relevant:
We had a new guy here who played an eldar+tau army. He lived more then 10 years in London and talked about how big collection is , but we never actualy seen him play for like 3 weeks. He was always giving the I know better vibes. So Last month he shows up with his tau+eldar army and it is full of FW stuff and counts as FW stuff , like the new riptide and his army books on an I-pad . So we inform him that FW is illegal and that to play here one need a physical copy of the book and not an e-book , because we had problems in the past when people would hack them and edit for better rules or cheaper upgrades . He starts raving like a maniac about how in UK he could play FW and how it is legal etc and we just look at him as , if he were insane , because everyone knows FW is no legal . The store owner notices the shouting , which isn't hard because people are always silent while playing here and asks him to be cool and that if he wants he can play his FW stuff as counts as normal eldar and tau stuff , because he is new . He even let him play with the e-book codex .But the guy doesn't stop he keeps getting louder and louder ,and that is not ok , because the shop is near a bank and in the past the Bank people were known to call police , if people were too loud . So the shop owner tells the eldar guy , that if he doesn't lower his voice , he won't be able to play here . The guy insults him and starts packing his stuff, but he is so pumped up that he flips his case and all his resin models land face down on the floor followed by a metal carring case. He starts yelling that now we all have to pay for a new FW army for him .But people at the store know better. Two guys pack him under his arms take him out another takes his carring case and the shop owner takes a broom and a shovel and leaves his resin rests in a pile in front of the shop and closes the door. the guy stars yelling as if has was on drugs , which actualy was kind of a scary . Soon police shows up and takes him away , which gave us a good laugh .
Two guys pack him under his arms take him out another takes his carring case and the shop owner takes a broom and a shovel and leaves his resin rests in a pile in front of the shop and closes the door. the guy stars yelling as if has was on drugs , which actualy was kind of a scary . Soon police shows up and takes him away , which gave us a good laugh .
Two guys pack him under his arms take him out another takes his carring case and the shop owner takes a broom and a shovel and leaves his resin rests in a pile in front of the shop and closes the door. the guy stars yelling as if has was on drugs , which actualy was kind of a scary . Soon police shows up and takes him away , which gave us a good laugh .
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FW is legal, though.
Well, even the "40k Approved" stuff is still an "as long as your opponent agrees" kinda thing.
@Makumba awaiting for Peregrine to tell you how FW is legal
Ok back to topic I've had my few times:
1) I went to a GW (you can already see where this is going cant you?) and back when I played fantasy as TK got a game with a kid, who played dwarfs who told me he knew a general good amount of the rules... he knew bosh all, he didn't even know how to move as I was explaining the game to him two guys came over who were regulars and basically started backseat gaming him. He won in the end did not even get within charge distance because of his gunline and cannons. He then started boasting on "how he pawned me like a noob" (Yeah at least I knew how my units worked ) which just irritated me and seeing that I was there the whole day. Now I only go to that GW if my friend I know is there and is willing for a game.
2) last tournament I played in I had an opponent who was just being plain rude to me, even a friend who was watching the game was talking to me about it (being semi-Asperger's I find it hard to tell if someone is being genuinely rude or just playing around it was until my friend stated talking to me about it I found that they were being genuine, which is putting me off competitive 40k play for me atm).
Makumba wrote: We had a new guy here who played an eldar+tau army. He lived more then 10 years in London and talked about how big collection is , but we never actualy seen him play for like 3 weeks. He was always giving the I know better vibes. So Last month he shows up with his tau+eldar army and it is full of FW stuff and counts as FW stuff , like the new riptide and his army books on an I-pad . So we inform him that FW is illegal and that to play here one need a physical copy of the book and not an e-book , because we had problems in the past when people would hack them and edit for better rules or cheaper upgrades . He starts raving like a maniac about how in UK he could play FW and how it is legal etc and we just look at him as , if he were insane , because everyone knows FW is no legal . The store owner notices the shouting , which isn't hard because people are always silent while playing here and asks him to be cool and that if he wants he can play his FW stuff as counts as normal eldar and tau stuff , because he is new . He even let him play with the e-book codex .But the guy doesn't stop he keeps getting louder and louder ,and that is not ok , because the shop is near a bank and in the past the Bank people were known to call police , if people were too loud . So the shop owner tells the eldar guy , that if he doesn't lower his voice , he won't be able to play here . The guy insults him and starts packing his stuff, but he is so pumped up that he flips his case and all his resin models land face down on the floor followed by a metal carring case. He starts yelling that now we all have to pay for a new FW army for him .But people at the store know better. Two guys pack him under his arms take him out another takes his carring case and the shop owner takes a broom and a shovel and leaves his resin rests in a pile in front of the shop and closes the door. the guy stars yelling as if has was on drugs , which actualy was kind of a scary . Soon police shows up and takes him away , which gave us a good laugh .
I think i've met this guy in london, always had FW tau and shouted at me for my.army theme being "distasteful" because he is polish and its a communist army. From what i remember he was pretty large too...
Two guys pack him under his arms take him out another takes his carring case and the shop owner takes a broom and a shovel and leaves his resin rests in a pile in front of the shop and closes the door. the guy stars yelling as if has was on drugs , which actualy was kind of a scary . Soon police shows up and takes him away , which gave us a good laugh .
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FW is legal, though.
Well, even the "40k Approved" stuff is still an "as long as your opponent agrees" kinda thing.
So is your average game, you gotta 'agree to game'. 40k Approved is legal.
I think i've met this guy in london, always had FW tau and shouted at me for my.army theme being "distasteful" because he is polish and its a communist army. From what i remember he was pretty large too...
I think i've met this guy in london, always had FW tau and shouted at me for my.army theme being "distasteful" because he is polish and its a communist army. From what i remember he was pretty large too...
Could be he was large.
Good, that guy was a complete spanker, shouted at my ex for picking up one of those FW models, he was known for being like that in multiple shops
PrinceRaven wrote: I agree with both of you, actually. To a certain extend, imbalance adds variety and challenge to a game, making it fun and interesting. Super Smash Bros. would be a much less engaging game if it was perfectly balanced, Still, at the same time, you do want things so overly imbalanced that it's completely broken. This video is relevant:
PrinceRaven wrote: I agree with both of you, actually. To a certain extend, imbalance adds variety and challenge to a game, making it fun and interesting. Super Smash Bros. would be a much less engaging game if it was perfectly balanced, Still, at the same time, you do want things so overly imbalanced that it's completely broken. This video is relevant:
They are so goddamned right with that video.
Yup! I raised the same point in a different thread that was in Dakka Discussions and was shot down over it. But the thing is that intentional imbalance is...well intentional. It drives us to try and overcome challenges, it keeps the game from getting stale and it generally gives them room to introduce or play with new mechanics all the time. It's honestly better for a system than perfect balance is in my opinion even if it does lead to the occasional issue of players crying "cheese".
Well there is a small difference in buying a new LoL champion or power lvling a new class in wow , compering to being forced to either rebuild or abandon and buy a new army for w40k . Up till codex tau playin IG was fun , post tau and eldar , it doesn't even make sense , because nothing works against them . mecha doesn't , aegis blob builds don't , they kill flyers faster the IG can bring them on the board . So the only option is either to buy a tau/eldar army or buy demons , one can't just add a unit or two to make the army tick again . It clearly shows in tournament placments of IG or SW or BAs. they are at the bottom and if they were fixable through own codex or through ally people would be playing those options and placing higher .
Makumba wrote: Well there is a small difference in buying a new LoL champion or power lvling a new class in wow , compering to being forced to either rebuild or abandon and buy a new army for w40k . Up till codex tau playin IG was fun , post tau and eldar , it doesn't even make sense , because nothing works against them . mecha doesn't , aegis blob builds don't , they kill flyers faster the IG can bring them on the board . So the only option is either to buy a tau/eldar army or buy demons , one can't just add a unit or two to make the army tick again . It clearly shows in tournament placments of IG or SW or BAs. they are at the bottom and if they were fixable through own codex or through ally people would be playing those options and placing higher .
To be fair, LoL has a quicker turn around on changed than GW could ever have because of the difference in mediums. Even MtG isn't perfectly balanced though, and that takes time and money to adjust to changes too. Not to mention if you play modern the cost of every new block released.
for his only synapse on field but it wouldn't of been that bad if he just continued to play instead of trying to break a 125 aud model ( plus basing) then running off if he sat down and begged for mercy to me and explain thoroughly ehy and offered to continue and pay for damage etc I may have just considered advising a suspension instead of banning him( club runner asked what I would consider fair) but running off didn't help
) and had to look after him, the first time it went swimmingly as we blasted our opponents to bits in epic style, with me in command, hence the trolling was rather fun as he was trolling our resident troll who does it very well indeed. The second time he had no such luck, all of us had fun in trolling him (shame on us indeed 
) as he tried to troll some of our finest but got it back in return 
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