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 Quientin wrote:
Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"

If it weren't for my desk being made from glass I think would've just headdesked.

 Kain wrote:

 Quientin wrote:
Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.

Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"

Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.

While I do think it's important for people to learn the history of their hobby, RT was a long time ago. Many players weren't even born yet when it was out. Rogue Trader did play completely differently them modern 40k, and the minis, while looking vaguely related, are quite different in both quality and aesthetics.

For some people, RT (or even 2nd ed) is the stuff of myths and legends. You might hear tales from that weird old guy, but he's probably senile and demented, being over 30 and all. (Renew!) And that's assuming there is a member of the old guard at your FLGS. Not every store is going to have a Living Ancestor there to tell the old tales.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Quientin wrote:
Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.

Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"

Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.

While I do think it's important for people to learn the history of their hobby, RT was a long time ago. Many players weren't even born yet when it was out. Rogue Trader did play completely differently them modern 40k, and the minis, while looking vaguely related, are quite different in both quality and aesthetics.

For some people, RT (or even 2nd ed) is the stuff of myths and legends. You might hear tales from that weird old guy, but he's probably senile and demented, being over 30 and all. (Renew!) And that's assuming there is a member of the old guard at your FLGS. Not every store is going to have a Living Ancestor there to tell the old tales.

There's a joke you seem to be missing.

In any case, one should know at least enough of their hobby to be aware of what rogue trader *is*.

I may have posted this before, but one time when i was using one of my mech armies, i think orks it was. My opponent insisted that a "Weapon destroyed" result on a vehicle was ALL my weapons. Goodbye gunboat battlewagons >.>

But no seriously, i had to take 5 minutes of my time explaining the rules of vehicle damage tables, and the realism of them.

 Kain wrote:

There's a joke you seem to be missing.

In any case, one should know at least enough of their hobby to be aware of what rogue trader *is*.

I get the joke (and find it amusing, as I routinely put RTB01 beekies on the table)

I'd -like- kids to know their history, but am happy if they know the rules for the edition we are playing these days. Trivia, history, and fluff can take a back seat; encouraged, but not required. For someone getting into the hobby, they might not have any contact with anything more then a few editions old, depending on the size of their local meta. I can't blame them. It's not like GW goes out of their way to acknowledge the past. With the recent 25th anniversary, there is a little more light shining on the old days, but still not a whole lot.

 Gutsnagga wrote:
Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game.
He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list.
He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine.
First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off.
Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell.
I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her.
Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off.
At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services.
The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years.
After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her.
I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.

Holy hell, that was one of the funniest things i have seen in my life. Have an internet cookie dear sir!


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 Melissia wrote:
Hm. Worst moments playing an immature player... has to be the idiot a year or two back that kept saying I shouldn't play because it's a man's hobby and he plays it to get away from women.

How dare a WOMAN enjoy 40k! Blah.

I'm sorry to hear about the current position you're in, I play W40k with a fair few girls, and i have a great time.

Best of luck for your future games though!

 Orblivion wrote:
I didn't think females were that rare of a sight at 40k events. We have a few women who play at my FLGS, and a few more who bring models in for painting day but don't play the game.

It's a common mistake for people to think that their little local group is somehow representative of the entire hobby, which is why you end up with questions like, 'everyone plays orks, so why do they get so little support from GW?"

There is a very noticeable (from my viewpoint as a woman) undercurrent of misogyny in gaming culture; 40k is no exception. Generally most people are nice. But there's still always That One Arsehole in a group.

It's a common thread throughout geek culture - a good example is how often you see women being criticized for not being 'real geeks,' just pretending to be into geek stuff for the attention, or you get some painfully self-unaware donkey-cave who thinks they need to act as gatekeeper to the hobby and grill some poor girl over what she actually knows. The fact is, 'geek' hobbies tend to be insular by nature, which is why you stupidity like people claiming your choice of video game consoles is a mark of your value as a person, or that playing CCG A is something normal people do, but playing CCG B is something only mouth breathing pantwetters do. A person outside your group and not like you is the nefarious Other, who must be minimized to make yourself feel better, and you can't get much more Other than the opposite gender. It's not even like it's a highly conscious thing - the whole 'my peeps first, other peeps second' is a pretty deeply ingrained mental process, and most people a lot of people lack the introspection and self-awareness to even realize what they're doing.

Not so long ago, someone posted a thread in this very forum that was a rant along these lines.

...



You gotta have a link to that.

 Kain wrote:

 Quientin wrote:
Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.

Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"

Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.

Especially when you consider the fact that many of the miniatures in question are pretty good looking

I know a guy who refuses to play my Guard because quote "There's no way you can win with that list. Where are your Lemon Russes and Valkyries?" Still don't know how to respond to it.

Not much but when there are two guys in the store on game day ones choices are limited...

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Quientin wrote:
Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.

Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"

Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.

Especially when you consider the fact that many of the miniatures in question are pretty good looking

I know a guy who refuses to play my Guard because quote "There's no way you can win with that list. Where are your Lemon Russes and Valkyries?" Still don't know how to respond to it.

Not much but when there are two guys in the store on game day ones choices are limited...

I've had a simular one, "how the hell do you win with tau without a single riptide!"

 mad_eddy_13 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 Quientin wrote:
Well I get my kicks letting him cheat a little and fighting him to a draw so he gets no prize support. It satisfying when I get him when he has an unfair advantage.

Thinking back, there was a guy at ard boys who asked me what game my figs were from. He called a ref over and snitched "his figs are illegal. He said theyer from some game called rogue trader"

Anybody who says something like that is obligated to immediately turn in their 40ker card.

Especially when you consider the fact that many of the miniatures in question are pretty good looking

I know a guy who refuses to play my Guard because quote "There's no way you can win with that list. Where are your Lemon Russes and Valkyries?" Still don't know how to respond to it.

Not much but when there are two guys in the store on game day ones choices are limited...

Ah, same, all the regular IG players tell me to add Russes to my list.

 Bobthehero wrote:


Ah, same, all the regular IG players tell me to add Russes to my list.

To be fair, all I ever tell you do do is tripple your troops presence

I have extra troops on my way, worry not!

 ThunderFury 2575 wrote:

 Gutsnagga wrote:
Well, once I was in my FLGS, and this 12 year old TFG came up to me and wanted a game.
He only plays the meta, so after he pulled out his 4 riptides, I thought I was done for considering I was using my fluffy, non-competitive SOB army list.
He spent a 10 minutes before the game bragging about how he was gonna wipe the floor with me, we even got a mission that favored his army over mine.
First turn: I wipe out all of his riptides with boltguns. He got very angry, and began to rip their arms off.
Finally, he got so angry, that he pulled out his ak47 and started hurling racist remarks at them, while blasting them all the way to hell.
I saw his wife come in then, and she tried to stop him, but he turned around and fired his gun at her.
Luckily i'm an ex-navy seal/ninja assassin, so I reached around him and caught the bullet in mid-air, before using my left foot to stimulate his nerves in such a way that his face melted off.
At that point the police came, and were going to arrest me when they saw what had happened to the kid, but I showed them my ninja-assassin badge, and they thanked me for my services.
The FLGS owner was so happy he offered to give me a complete Draigowing force for free, so I could play a competitive list, but I had to refuse, because i like to support my FLGS. I instead bought it all from him, clearing the shelves of all the Grey Knights, and he thanked me saying how this money could feed his family and twenty others for 5 years.
After that, his wife thanked me so much for saving her, and asked me to marry her.
I had to decline though, as she was unaware of the exact year that the first War of Armageddon began in, and so was not a true Warhammer 40,000 fan.

Holy hell, that was one of the funniest things i have seen in my life. Have an internet cookie dear sir!

Tastes good.

He's 35-40, paler then snow, looked NO OLDER then twelve i swear on my life. He's decked out in massive black cowboy hat, a black duster, black leather boots, black silver studded VAMPBRACES. And claims to be a wicken. He's playing some necrons okay cool. Besides his akward physique and attire everything seems in order. And as he starts setting models out, i see some monstrosity composed of sprues and bases and the top halves of necron warriors. I don't remember what it was supposed to be but it was the must bs looking thing ive ever seen in my life. Okay sure, space wolves vs ghetto necrons lets roll. But first, he sets out these little stones all over the battlefield."What are those?" He told me they were charms, and helped his die rolls. He then proceeded to claim he was a wicken. Idk what a wicken even is. So the battle goes on, i tear up his shitrons, life goes on. When i use JOTWW on his general, insta-killing it, he begins to tear up and scream. He makes an invuln save and says "He's saved he's saved" I point in the rulebook where i show he doesnt get a save from JOTWW and dies instantly. He proceeded to cry, curse, and scream. Packed up his things and left. We banned him from the FLGS and life moved on. His name was michael i think..


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This story is 100% legit, i swear on the emperors life. Was playing wolves, other dude wiped my face with Old Tau suits. When i started to lose i began footsying with his girfriend, a good looking redhead who was sitting beside him. I slipped her my number as i was packing up my dead troops. I hit that the next week. He may of won he battle. But i... i won the war.

Wicken- Should be Wiccan

Basically another word for Pagan. Alternative religion jazz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca

Varies from 'i think i look good in black' to full on serious religion, and a lot offshoots along the way.

Guy is a doink though

That's a shame, I've met some actual Wiccans and they're generally a lovely group of people, most of them don't dress like cowboy goths though...

Basically another word for Pagan

The word "pagan" was actually used by the followers of Abrahamic faiths (mostly Roman Catholics) as a broad derogatory term for those who believed in the other various polythestic, shamanistic, animistic and pantheistic religions at the time. It basically meant "stupid heretic who will burn in hell for worshipping false gods".

Yeah, he wasn't a Wiccan. I believe the term he was searching for is actually spelled I-D-I-O-T. Sounds like he was an insult to people of that particular form of belief. I've had plenty of Wiccan friends and that doesn't sound the part at all.



And redheaded girls entering gaming stores willingly are always a good thing...dated one, she was an absolute freak. I approve your message.

 lakemacleod wrote:
And claims to be a wicken.

I love it when it gets brought up as you're taking armies out of their cases.

Let's just play the game, y'know?

Oh, and: Yes. You win.

Crikey, I've never had anything along these lines of terribad players....
The worst was when I was playing my 6/7th ed WoC against this chap's Vampire Counts, and the game was going well, I was slowly losing the war of attrition but my knights were wrecking his hard centre. Then my chariot trundled into his huge ass grave guard unit with his BSB in it. I make a frighteningly good roll, and they all fall dead. I honestly thought he was going to hit something.

There was this pair of gakkers I used to come across from time to time who I absolutely detested playing.

One of them painted his models but was about as narcissistic as people get in the hobby and a complete smartass.

The first and only time we played I was about to give him a rundown on the Contemptor Mortis' rules, he said 'no I don't care I know them' and I even added 'are you sure?' for him to continue dismissing me.

Later he infiltrated his Genestealers and I declared my Interceptor shooting, and he got all pissed and was like 'grr why didn't you tell me', even going as far to literally start packing up his models when I didn't warm up to the idea that the rule be stripped because he was 'unfairly treated'. Gah.

I played the other guy a few times, regrettably, and his models weren't painted (where they were it was caked on) and half of them were half-built. Basically, he was the worst rules lawyer I've ever encountered I've had more fun in games against kids.

The last time I played him, or indeed ever saw him play 40k, It was the beginning of 6th in a tournament and I had my Razorback spam list vs his Nurgle CSM army. I moved my guys up, killed his Nurgle Bikers, pummelled his Plague Marines at close range and took the objectives, and my barebones Librarian killed his Chaos Lord armed with Bloodfeeder with a Force Staff. By that point I could see bulging veins on his face.

He said 'pfft I may as well concede but I would probably win if we'd continued anyway' and I disagreed politely, so he was like 'fine I'll prove it' only for me to table him bar his Obliberators by turn 6.

He then claimed that I only won, with numerous combat squads, Razorbacks and a Devastator squad left because he forgot to fire his Obliberators for one turn.

After that I only saw him playing Warmachine for a few months, and then I never saw him again.

There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.

 lakemacleod wrote:

This story is 100% legit, i swear on the emperors life. Was playing wolves, other dude wiped my face with Old Tau suits. When i started to lose i began footsying with his girfriend, a good looking redhead who was sitting beside him. I slipped her my number as i was packing up my dead troops. I hit that the next week. He may of won he battle. But i... i won the war.

Hahahah, I haven't laughed so much in a long time. That's awesome.

 Jimsolo wrote:
There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.

Oh man that's sleazy haha! Put a smile on my face, thanks for that.

I would say my worst moment playing anything at a FLGS or GW comes in the form of pointless fanboy pissing contests. Beyond heated debates about a great many unwinnable subjective arguments about how Xbox is better than Playstation , PC is better than all of them, 40K is better than Magic, vice versa, ad nauseam. Ugh. It's good to be passionate about what you like, it's totally understandable and in many cases admirable, but a lot of the arguments I've seen always end with at least one butthurt individual and it kills the good time gaming vibe in the room. Always.

I'm all for informed discussions and everybody is entitled to their opinions, but when it gets to the point when one or all of the individuals involved start taking things way too personally it just makes the rest of the time, which should be spent having fun, painfully awkward. Grow up, get over it, and roll the dice friend!

 Jimsolo wrote:
There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.

Out of curiosity, how does that work?

Wow, I feel so lucky. I have no real immature players at my store...

There was one time though, that I don't know if it really counts.

I had my foot guard army out, and someone (a black man, this is important!) running a Necron Flyer list (back when the only thing you saw in top tier was Necron Fliers) asked me if I wanted to play. Now, I knew I couldn't beat him since my army was horribly suited for that job, and I knew I wasn't going to enjoy the game so I said no. Now, I was rather polite, I just denied and said I was waiting for someone (truth be told, I was but they weren't gonna be around for a while). He starts freaking out claiming how I was racist because I didn't want to play against him.

Yep, it was going to be one of those days.

Eventually the guy left since no one seemed to want to listen to him, everyone in at the time knew me well enough to know who was right in the matter, but I don't think I saw him again since then...

I have a couple, I guess.

Firstly was in a doubles tourney some years back. I was partnered with a friend of mine, his chaos daemons with my csm, and in the third round we were paired up against a double green tide army. Anyways, the game didn't start out well, my Lord got locked in cc with a group of nob bikers, and the rest of my army didn't make it very far onto the board before being bogged down as well. His daemons didn't have much more luck, most of them deciding apparently to sit most of the game out. Anyways, as each turn went on, I could tell he was getting more and more agitated with how the game was proceeding, Finally, the start of the last turn, my remaining units are still locked in endless cc, and his dp decides to grace us with its presence. After looking at the board, he concludes that anywhere he puts it will have no bearing on the outcome of the game; that we've lost; and then hands control of his army to me and gets up and wanders off.
I was able to find a clearing in the ork mob, stick the landing and contest the key objective.
We ended with a minor victory.


Secondly, it wasn't a player I played against, but one I witnessed a friend of mine playing. This fellow was quite overbearing on the best of days, and unbearable on the rest, and the only people who agreed to play him were ones who didn't know better, and people in tournaments. This was the latter. I didn't see the whole game, but the part I watched made me walk away laughing. What I witnessed was: this disagreeable player was fielding a Dread in a drop pod (a partially built drop pod, really only the floor and wings), and when his pod landed, he placed his dreadnought on the model itself, as opposed to next to it, claiming he wasn't required to disembark, but could still turn and shoot whomever he pleased. Furthermore, he claimed my friend's carnifex couldn't assault the dreadnought without first going through the drop pod. It took 10 minutes of arguing with the ref before anyone could convince him otherwise. I'm pretty sure he was 3 words away form getting cold-cocked with a rulebook.

 Jimsolo wrote:
There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.

That would be called "collusion" and many tournaments I know of frown on that, if not throw players out for it.

 drock403 wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
There is a family from around our neck of the woods that occasionally shows up to conventions and the like. There are four of them who play, and they will sign up for 40k events with eight or fewer slots, then team up to make sure that they all take the top slots, then split the prize support between them. It's so damn childish.

Oh man that's sleazy haha! Put a smile on my face, thanks for that.

I would say my worst moment playing anything at a FLGS or GW comes in the form of pointless fanboy pissing contests. Beyond heated debates about a great many unwinnable subjective arguments about how Xbox is better than Playstation , PC is better than all of them, 40K is better than Magic, vice versa, ad nauseam. Ugh. It's good to be passionate about what you like, it's totally understandable and in many cases admirable, but a lot of the arguments I've seen always end with at least one butthurt individual and it kills the good time gaming vibe in the room. Always.

I'm all for informed discussions and everybody is entitled to their opinions, but when it gets to the point when one or all of the individuals involved start taking things way too personally it just makes the rest of the time, which should be spent having fun, painfully awkward. Grow up, get over it, and roll the dice friend!

If you really want to see how bad it gets just nudge the conversation over abut onto which star ship in star trek could take on a star wars vessel. I couldn't stop shaking my head the whole way through the conversation.

 tau tse tung wrote:

I've had a simular one, "how the hell do you win with tau without a single riptide!"

I take it your response was something like this.

Erm, quite easily in fact. Just take a million Broadsides with HYMP & SMS and missile your opponent to death before they even get close.

 DarthOvious wrote:

 tau tse tung wrote:

I've had a simular one, "how the hell do you win with tau without a single riptide!"

I take it your response was something like this.

Erm, quite easily in fact. Just take a million Broadsides with HYMP & SMS and missile your opponent to death before they even get close.

Or just play them normally..It's not like their other troops are worse, crisis suits are still good.