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2014/04/17 16:42:52
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Given that Titus can crush a Daemon Prince's skull with his hands and beat a Warboss and all his most elite and power nob bodyguards to death singlehandedly, I don't think Joe Schmoe Killsalot the Chaos Space Marine is going to slow him down much.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 16:47:20
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Please, wipe yourself off when you're done with that.
Cain is implied to have some sort of favor backing him.
Hence why he can kill warbosses (who pulp most marines, traitor or loyal in one on one), Hive Tyrants (who eat marines, traitor or loyal, for breakfast), Genestealer Broodlords (in Word Bearers, regular genestealers' claws went through Terminator armor like nothing and they could pulo a marine's head or swat off his hands in an eyeblink; a Broodlord is far worse news), A Daemon Princess of Slaanesh (admittedly he had Jurgen) and such.
A Berserker doesn't even really rate next to the nastiest things he's fought and beaten.
He should not have been able to do those things then. Its not possible for a human.
Given that Titus can crush a Daemon Prince's skull with his hands and beat a Warboss and all his most elite and power nob bodyguards to death singlehandedly, I don't think Joe Schmoe Killsalot the Chaos Space Marine is going to slow him down much.
Irrelevant, thats a video game, come on dude.
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"Glory to the Iron father!"
2014/04/17 16:49:38
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Please, wipe yourself off when you're done with that.
Cain is implied to have some sort of favor backing him.
Hence why he can kill warbosses (who pulp most marines, traitor or loyal in one on one), Hive Tyrants (who eat marines, traitor or loyal, for breakfast), Genestealer Broodlords (in Word Bearers, regular genestealers' claws went through Terminator armor like nothing and they could pulo a marine's head or swat off his hands in an eyeblink; a Broodlord is far worse news), A Daemon Princess of Slaanesh (admittedly he had Jurgen) and such.
A Berserker doesn't even really rate next to the nastiest things he's fought and beaten.
He should not have been able to do those things then. Its not possible for a human.
As I said, it's quite likely that the Tallarns who worshipped him as a prophet of the Emperor and his suspicions that the Emperor must have an eye on him (and a sick sense of humor) are indeed right and that he's being blessed from on high.
Given that Titus can crush a Daemon Prince's skull with his hands and beat a Warboss and all his most elite and power nob bodyguards to death singlehandedly, I don't think Joe Schmoe Killsalot the Chaos Space Marine is going to slow him down much.
Irrelevant, thats a video game, come on dude.
The thing about 40k canon is that there is none.
There are only interpretations, of which none are more valid than the other. Not even the codices have any primacy over simple fan-fiction.
It's whatever you want it to be other than some bare basics.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 17:17:00
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Actually, the Cain books are probably the least biased (in fluff) books in the Black Library. Considering they're (in fluff) all banned by the Inquisition and definitely do not portray Cain in the light that the Imperium would want.
So they're one of the few series which are immune to the "faction propaganda" which is stuck on other books.
On the other hand, they are written by Cain himself, and you have no gaurantee whatsoever saying that he himself was not biased when he wrote about his own deeds!
Maybe that CSM he saw through his binoculars one battle turned into an epic duel when it came to writing the book?
Cain is incredibly self loathing.
He always undersells everything he does, and his memoirs were meant to be a dispelling of all the myths that surrounded him.
Amberly repeatedly notes that Cain never gives himself enough credit.
And where does Amberly say this? That's right, in the book written by Cain himself...
I don't give that a lot of cred, sorry.
I should think of a new signature... In the meantime, have a
2014/04/17 17:19:30
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Actually, the Cain books are probably the least biased (in fluff) books in the Black Library. Considering they're (in fluff) all banned by the Inquisition and definitely do not portray Cain in the light that the Imperium would want.
So they're one of the few series which are immune to the "faction propaganda" which is stuck on other books.
On the other hand, they are written by Cain himself, and you have no gaurantee whatsoever saying that he himself was not biased when he wrote about his own deeds!
Maybe that CSM he saw through his binoculars one battle turned into an epic duel when it came to writing the book?
Cain is incredibly self loathing.
He always undersells everything he does, and his memoirs were meant to be a dispelling of all the myths that surrounded him.
Amberly repeatedly notes that Cain never gives himself enough credit.
And where does Amberly say this? That's right, in the book written by Cain himself...
I don't give that a lot of cred, sorry.
It's in the footnotes, which are written by Amberley, not Cain, as part of her work evaluating his memoirs for the Inquisition.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2014/04/17 17:21:14
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Actually, the Cain books are probably the least biased (in fluff) books in the Black Library. Considering they're (in fluff) all banned by the Inquisition and definitely do not portray Cain in the light that the Imperium would want.
So they're one of the few series which are immune to the "faction propaganda" which is stuck on other books.
On the other hand, they are written by Cain himself, and you have no gaurantee whatsoever saying that he himself was not biased when he wrote about his own deeds!
Maybe that CSM he saw through his binoculars one battle turned into an epic duel when it came to writing the book?
Cain is incredibly self loathing.
He always undersells everything he does, and his memoirs were meant to be a dispelling of all the myths that surrounded him.
Amberly repeatedly notes that Cain never gives himself enough credit.
And where does Amberly say this? That's right, in the book written by Cain himself...
I don't give that a lot of cred, sorry.
A book he wrote as a confessional and what was meant to break the illusion he felt had surrounded his life.
And Amberly annotated the book after Cain was literally dead and buried unless you want to add "beyond the boundaries of life and death" to the list of reasons that Cain is awesome.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 17:33:03
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
A book he wrote as a confessional and what was meant to break the illusion he felt had surrounded his life.
And Amberly annotated the book after Cain was literally dead and buried unless you want to add "beyond the boundaries of life and death" to the list of reasons that Cain is awesome.
Well, Cain was still listed as alive and in active duty after he was dead and buried, so...
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2014/04/17 17:36:53
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
A book he wrote as a confessional and what was meant to break the illusion he felt had surrounded his life.
And Amberly annotated the book after Cain was literally dead and buried unless you want to add "beyond the boundaries of life and death" to the list of reasons that Cain is awesome.
Well, Cain was still listed as alive and in active duty after he was dead and buried, so...
Crack fic idea: Cain's intense fear of Necrons reached such a fervor pitch after seeing them destroy the shadowlight that Trazyn managed to detect it with his empathic sensors while he was scouting around for new things to steal. So Trazyn snatched him away in his dying moments and replaced him with a body double and stuffed him into a Necron body, to forever accompany him as part of his collection.
Thus Cain truly is everliving.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 17:40:27
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
A book he wrote as a confessional and what was meant to break the illusion he felt had surrounded his life.
And Amberly annotated the book after Cain was literally dead and buried unless you want to add "beyond the boundaries of life and death" to the list of reasons that Cain is awesome.
Well, Cain was still listed as alive and in active duty after he was dead and buried, so...
Crack fic idea: Cain's intense fear of Necrons reached such a fervor pitch after seeing them destroy the shadowlight that Trazyn managed to detect it with his empathic sensors while he was scouting around for new things to steal. So Trazyn snatched him away in his dying moments and replaced him with a body double and stuffed him into a Necron body, to forever accompany him as part of his collection.
Thus Cain truly is everliving.
And is finally reunited (through his sense of smell) with Jurgen in the display case next to him
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2014/04/17 17:41:45
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
A book he wrote as a confessional and what was meant to break the illusion he felt had surrounded his life.
And Amberly annotated the book after Cain was literally dead and buried unless you want to add "beyond the boundaries of life and death" to the list of reasons that Cain is awesome.
Well, Cain was still listed as alive and in active duty after he was dead and buried, so...
Crack fic idea: Cain's intense fear of Necrons reached such a fervor pitch after seeing them destroy the shadowlight that Trazyn managed to detect it with his empathic sensors while he was scouting around for new things to steal. So Trazyn snatched him away in his dying moments and replaced him with a body double and stuffed him into a Necron body, to forever accompany him as part of his collection.
Thus Cain truly is everliving.
And is finally reunited (through his sense of smell) with Jurgen in the display case next to him
Nah, Jurgen would be made a Pariah whose model you can buy for 100 USD$ including a supplement.
Trazyn even put his melta on his new warscythe.
Ciaphas Cain, HERO OF SOLEMNANCE.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 17:42:39
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
A book he wrote as a confessional and what was meant to break the illusion he felt had surrounded his life.
And Amberly annotated the book after Cain was literally dead and buried unless you want to add "beyond the boundaries of life and death" to the list of reasons that Cain is awesome.
Well, Cain was still listed as alive and in active duty after he was dead and buried, so...
Crack fic idea: Cain's intense fear of Necrons reached such a fervor pitch after seeing them destroy the shadowlight that Trazyn managed to detect it with his empathic sensors while he was scouting around for new things to steal. So Trazyn snatched him away in his dying moments and replaced him with a body double and stuffed him into a Necron body, to forever accompany him as part of his collection.
Thus Cain truly is everliving.
Still more plausible than the actual books.
I should think of a new signature... In the meantime, have a
2014/04/17 17:44:49
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
A book he wrote as a confessional and what was meant to break the illusion he felt had surrounded his life.
And Amberly annotated the book after Cain was literally dead and buried unless you want to add "beyond the boundaries of life and death" to the list of reasons that Cain is awesome.
Well, Cain was still listed as alive and in active duty after he was dead and buried, so...
Crack fic idea: Cain's intense fear of Necrons reached such a fervor pitch after seeing them destroy the shadowlight that Trazyn managed to detect it with his empathic sensors while he was scouting around for new things to steal. So Trazyn snatched him away in his dying moments and replaced him with a body double and stuffed him into a Necron body, to forever accompany him as part of his collection.
Thus Cain truly is everliving.
Still more plausible than the actual books.
WMG: The last ever story of 40k will finally hit M42; only to reveal that Trazyn has completed his greatest heist; stuffing the entire universe into a hyper-pocket.
Thus ending the true and grandest conflict of 40k.
The contest of thievery between the Blood Ravens and Trazyn.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 17:47:26
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
A book he wrote as a confessional and what was meant to break the illusion he felt had surrounded his life.
And Amberly annotated the book after Cain was literally dead and buried unless you want to add "beyond the boundaries of life and death" to the list of reasons that Cain is awesome.
Well, Cain was still listed as alive and in active duty after he was dead and buried, so...
Crack fic idea: Cain's intense fear of Necrons reached such a fervor pitch after seeing them destroy the shadowlight that Trazyn managed to detect it with his empathic sensors while he was scouting around for new things to steal. So Trazyn snatched him away in his dying moments and replaced him with a body double and stuffed him into a Necron body, to forever accompany him as part of his collection.
Thus Cain truly is everliving.
Still more plausible than the actual books.
WMG: The last ever story of 40k will finally hit M42; only to reveal that Trazyn has completed his greatest heist; stuffing the entire universe into a hyper-pocket.
Thus ending the true and grandest conflict of 40k.
The contest of thievery between the Blood Ravens and Trazyn.
Welcome to my sig. You will are honoured
Edit: how do I make this my sig?
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WMG: The last ever story of 40k will finally hit M42; only to reveal that Trazyn has completed his greatest heist; stuffing the entire universe into a hyper-pocket.
Thus ending the true and grandest conflict of 40k.
The contest of thievery between the Blood Ravens and Trazyn.
2014/04/17 17:49:20
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
A book he wrote as a confessional and what was meant to break the illusion he felt had surrounded his life.
And Amberly annotated the book after Cain was literally dead and buried unless you want to add "beyond the boundaries of life and death" to the list of reasons that Cain is awesome.
Well, Cain was still listed as alive and in active duty after he was dead and buried, so...
Crack fic idea: Cain's intense fear of Necrons reached such a fervor pitch after seeing them destroy the shadowlight that Trazyn managed to detect it with his empathic sensors while he was scouting around for new things to steal. So Trazyn snatched him away in his dying moments and replaced him with a body double and stuffed him into a Necron body, to forever accompany him as part of his collection.
Thus Cain truly is everliving.
Still more plausible than the actual books.
WMG: The last ever story of 40k will finally hit M42; only to reveal that Trazyn has completed his greatest heist; stuffing the entire universe into a hyper-pocket.
Thus ending the true and grandest conflict of 40k.
The contest of thievery between the Blood Ravens and Trazyn.
Welcome to my sig. You will are honoured
Edit: how do I make this my sig?
Copy and paste your quote of my post into your sig.
Remember to copy and paste the quote tags, but remove the quotes that aren't of my post.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 18:34:00
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Bobthehero wrote: Arguably, he could've meant that other vengeful scions will take care of the Imperium, not him or his warband.
And if someone's bringing down the IoM its the Nids or the Necrons.
No offense, but are you joking me? Why would he bother saying that if he himself has no intention of being a part of the scheme? Thats like saying I wanna be a rockstar yet Im sitting around hoping someone else does it for me. I do agree with you about the Nidz, they could be the death of everything. Necrons definitely could be the destruction of the Imperium but they are more likely to turn their weapons on Chaos first and then destroy the Imperium.
Because I could the same line about my father, save for the vengeful scion part, doesn't mean I will do it.
Syria's arguably ripe for a foreign invasion, doesn't mean I'll support one.
And many other things, just because you remark sometthing doesn't mean you'll so it.
Bobthehero wrote: Arguably, he could've meant that other vengeful scions will take care of the Imperium, not him or his warband.
And if someone's bringing down the IoM its the Nids or the Necrons.
No offense, but are you joking me? Why would he bother saying that if he himself has no intention of being a part of the scheme? Thats like saying I wanna be a rockstar yet Im sitting around hoping someone else does it for me. I do agree with you about the Nidz, they could be the death of everything. Necrons definitely could be the destruction of the Imperium but they are more likely to turn their weapons on Chaos first and then destroy the Imperium.
Because I could the same line about my father, save for the vengeful scion part, doesn't mean I will do it.
Syria's arguably ripe for a foreign invasion, doesn't mean I'll support one.
And many other things, just because you remark sometthing doesn't mean you'll so it.
Cursed Founding wrote: It might be that the loyalists are getting their new mar 8 'errant' armor and their mark 3 'sunfury' plasma pistols and all the fancy new gunships and tanks.
I agree to Gjd123. They have all the forge worlds and, not to forget, all the STCs which give them a huge advantage.
Sometimes it feels awkward but maybe the people who like normal SM have higher numbers so they choose to please the major group.
Also, I read a lot of books that have equal fights and equal destruction (ex. on malodrax the entire Imperial fists 1st company is wiped out with almost no losses to the Iron warriors
Mark 8 'Errant' Armour is inferior to any form of Heresy armour except the crap one that got mass-produced.. MKV I think it was. Imperial technology has continued to degrade since the Heresy, leading to general stagnation around the Imperium.
I also think that there is more love for CSMs than SMs, it's just all the little 12-year-olds that ask their mummy for more Ultramarines that push SMs up the ladder.
Also CSMs have Chaos Relics, more powerful Psykers, living Primarchs, superior technology, superior numbers, mutations (some helpful and some not), demons, cult troops, demon engines, demon worlds, possessed, more defensible turf (the warp), the ability to corrupt and whatever else I've missed.
Bobthehero wrote: Just because Huron says the Imperium is weak doesn't mean he wants to end it.
Just that he wants away with it.
The rest doesn't concern you.
Then what you say holds no real meaning. For a lord of Chaos to come out and say what he said means he's in on it. Chaos lords hold extreme power, and others are looking to take over when he slips up. If he says something, he means it. So lets stop with the whole "not all CSM's wanna kill the emperor" because I promise you they do and they dream about it everyday.
"Glory to the Iron father!"
2014/04/17 21:46:51
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Bobthehero wrote: Just because Huron says the Imperium is weak doesn't mean he wants to end it.
Just that he wants away with it.
The rest doesn't concern you.
Then what you say holds no real meaning. For a lord of Chaos to come out and say what he said means he's in on it. Chaos lords hold extreme power, and others are looking to take over when he slips up. If he says something, he means it. So lets stop with the whole "not all CSM's wanna kill the emperor" because I promise you they do and they dream about it everyday.
Chaos is not a hive mind.
Every Chaos Space Marine and Chaos Lord is their own individual with their own goals and desires.
Some may just want to "play" with nubile daemonette consorts all day and do drugs (particularly if they have slaaneshi leanings), enjoying all the hedonistic pleasure denied to them by other Chaos Gods or the Imperial Cult.
Others just want to watch the world burn, not the Imperium in particular, just anything that breathes.
And some have this urge to paint every rock they see purple.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 21:53:48
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
I can't picture EVERY Chaos marine wanting nothing more than to go right to Terra and destroy the emperor. It seems to me that they all have more common and petty desires ahead of that. "I want more slaves!" "I hate those Emperor's Children ____'s. Let's go beat on them." "We need more promethian. Let's go raid a IG depot." "Arrgh!"
That's the kind of thing that probably takes up most of their time. The veterans of the HH, sure. Yeah, they hate those loyalist douches. But most don't have that burning desire or they would have launched far more crusades against the Imperium than they have.
Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions.
2014/04/17 22:05:58
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
MWHistorian wrote: I can't picture EVERY Chaos marine wanting nothing more than to go right to Terra and destroy the emperor. It seems to me that they all have more common and petty desires ahead of that. "I want more slaves!" "I hate those Emperor's Children ____'s. Let's go beat on them." "We need more promethian. Let's go raid a IG depot." "Arrgh!" That's the kind of thing that probably takes up most of their time. The veterans of the HH, sure. Yeah, they hate those loyalist douches. But most don't have that burning desire or they would have launched far more crusades against the Imperium than they have.
Most CSMs are just looking for freedom to do what they want, barely any CSMs actually hate Loyalist space marines, they just view them as misguided. I imagine most CSMs just want to rape, pillage, destroy stuff and generally indulge themselves in whatever they wanted to do as an SM.
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Cursed Founding wrote: It might be that the loyalists are getting their new mar 8 'errant' armor and their mark 3 'sunfury' plasma pistols and all the fancy new gunships and tanks.
I agree to Gjd123. They have all the forge worlds and, not to forget, all the STCs which give them a huge advantage.
Sometimes it feels awkward but maybe the people who like normal SM have higher numbers so they choose to please the major group.
Also, I read a lot of books that have equal fights and equal destruction (ex. on malodrax the entire Imperial fists 1st company is wiped out with almost no losses to the Iron warriors
Mark 8 'Errant' Armour is inferior to any form of Heresy armour except the crap one that got mass-produced.. MKV I think it was. Imperial technology has continued to degrade since the Heresy, leading to general stagnation around the Imperium.
I also think that there is more love for CSMs than SMs, it's just all the little 12-year-olds that ask their mummy for more Ultramarines that push SMs up the ladder.
Also CSMs have Chaos Relics, more powerful Psykers, living Primarchs, superior technology, superior numbers, mutations (some helpful and some not), demons, cult troops, demon engines, demon worlds, possessed, more defensible turf (the warp), the ability to corrupt and whatever else I've missed.
This is still completely valid you know.
And I like to annoy Chaos fanboys with it.
Or a few Tanith guardsmen and Musket wielding Primitives Slaughtering five veterans of the long war like a bunch of scrubs.
Also according to Kelly the Legions flat out don't exist as an organizational unit anymore.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 22:13:25
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Chaos Lords ALL share this very same goal people. Black crusades require dumploads of men and supplies, loads so big it rarely presents them an opportunity for Abaddon and his legions of Chaos Marines. If they had more opportunities they surely would've launched many more crusades. But look whats happening right now guys! As of now in 999.M41, your precious Cadia is being raped and humiliated and soon it will fall and ALL of Chaos will march their way to Terra to have one last glorious charge of the Imperial Palace and tear that decadent corpse from his putrid throne. Believe what you wanna believe, my misguided brothers but Terra will fall...and you will burn out along with this weak and overbearing galaxy!
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"Glory to the Iron father!"
2014/04/17 22:13:46
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
Lord Tarkin wrote: Chaos Lords ALL share this very same goal people. Black crusades require dumploads of men and supplies, loads so big it rarely presents them an opportunity for Abaddon and his legions of Chaos Marines. If they had more opportunities they surely would've launched many more crusades. But look whats happening right now guys! As of now in 999.M41, your precious Cadia is being raped and humiliated and soon it will fall and ALL of Chaos will march their way to Terra to have one last glorious charge of the Imperial Palace and tear that decadent corpse from his putrid throne. Believe what you wanna believe, my misguided brothers but Terra will fall...and you wull burn out along with this weak and overbearing galaxy!
What actually happens: The weight of a thousand galaxies worth of teeth and claws comes in, snuffing out all human accomplishment, hopes, and dreams in an unstoppable tide that nobody ever had a chance to defeat or even meaningfully slow down.
All the struggles, all the accomplishments, all the battles, all the works, of every last species in the galaxy, from the ancient Necrons to the youthful Tau; are all meaningless as the Milky way joins a thousand other galaxies in eternal silence, all to feed the hive mind.
Such is the ultimate grimdarkness; that ultimately, nothing matters, that the end is not a screaming eternity of torment and suffering, but bleak; utter silence. Now, and forever.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2014/04/17 22:17:28
Subject: Why do Chaos Marines seem so weak compared to their loyalists kin?
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
Mind you, Ultramarines: The Movie is a perfect example of a piece of fluff that is immensely contradictory.
Such as Ultramarines recruits starting out as Tacticals and skipping the Scout stage. (lol, given what happened in the Ultramarines novels where they kicked one of their captains to the Warp for a tactically sound maneuver that contradicted the Codex...)
Calling people fanboys will not do you good. Especially since you show your own bias by doing so, turning it into hypocrisy as well (Yes, I am a fangirl. But so is Bobthehero. Weird that I don't see you calling him a fanboy, hmm? Maybe it does not benefit your argument?)
That movie is as canon as anything else... And since it contradicts so much, I will happily ignore it.
I should think of a new signature... In the meantime, have a
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