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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Still not sure if I like this new mini or not.
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Post by: StormKing
There we go I updated it with the larger images. Nice to get to see the rules in english this time
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Post by: squall018
That is one of the coolest models GW has put out in awhile. I've been pretty impressed with the end times stuff so far. Thanks for the pics!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I love the Daemonic rider. He looks ace. The guy with the horn growing out of his face has an expression like "Oh God what is this thing coming out of my face... get it off! Get it off!".
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Post by: Ratius
I've loved the recent whfb units but Im unsure on this thing.
Both the rider versions are cool but the beast itself. Hmmm, somethings just not quite right?
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Feel the opposite, I think it would have worked better as a stand alone gribbly rather than a mount.
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Post by: Buttlerthepug
I'm fine with them as mounts... I quite like them in fact! We're still waiting on the big kit though, right? We've got the Morghast equivalents, and now these guys serve as the Mortarch equivalents, so all that's left is the Nagash equivalent.
Quite excited to see the book, although like everyone else I'm pretty disappointed that it's looking like a Nurgle-only release. We've got so much of it already, I'd love to see some big stuff for all the other gods. One can only hope I suppose.
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Post by: Ghaz
Hmmm... I wonder if I could use the beast on the right in the first pic and use the rider in the second pic and use it as a Herald of Nurgle on a Palanquin in a Nurgle-themed 40K Chaos Daemon army... 
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Post by: streetsamurai
hate the stupid grin on the daemonic rider. At first, with the bad pics, I tought he was kind of a leper king, which would have been way cooler imo than a fat plaguebearer with a dumb smile. Thankfully, we have enough face in the blightkings kit, that changing his head will not be a problem.
Beside that, I really love this release. I'll buy one for sure to use as a GUO in 40k. Hopefully, they sculpted what's beneath the saddle,
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Post by: Warboss Imbad Ironskull
After seeing some clearer pictures I gotta say I love the models they are very much in the same vein as the Chaos Nurgle Lord, can't wait to see what the beasty turns out to be!
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And there goes the excitement, I think these are very uninspiring.
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Post by: Acardia
I really like the models, but I'm all tz and khorne.
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Post by: jonolikespie
Seeing all three of them side by side there looks like there is no variation other than the stomach and the mouth.
I can't decide if the stuff on top is weirdly placed fur, some sort of straw built around the saddle, or (going by the spitting one) the thing was just that weird redhead kid before it mutated.
It looks like there are a lot of the boils which define Nurgle but I'm really unsure about them. It might just be that they have been painted with no variation in the skin tone but it looks like they have no texture to them, which is fine on a 28mm infantry model but at the size they have been scaled up to it's really obvious.
The joints are all very viable too.
Maybe I'm being really harsh on it because I have no reason to want to put one on the tabletop and I'm looking at it purely from a painters prospective but it just feels... like something that was slapped together in CAD with little care or effort.
It does seem like there is better skin texture than usual, but it still has nothing on stuf like this:
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Post by: Uriels_Flame
Looks great to me!
Can really get on board with a Nurgle Ogre Kingdoms combo force!
Lots of good conversions to be seen there.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 streetsamurai wrote:hate the stupid grin on the daemonic rider. At first, with the bad pics, I tought he was kind of a leper king, which would have been way cooler imo than a fat plaguebearer with a dumb smile.
It's a riff on the old Plague Daemon cover:
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Post by: Red_Zeke
 H.B.M.C. wrote: streetsamurai wrote:hate the stupid grin on the daemonic rider. At first, with the bad pics, I tought he was kind of a leper king, which would have been way cooler imo than a fat plaguebearer with a dumb smile.
It's a riff on the old Plague Daemon cover:
Or Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned, yes?
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Post by: OgreChubbs
Also same fat happy guy on cover of palace of the plague lord "pretty good book"
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Post by: Kirasu
streetsamurai wrote:hate the stupid grin on the daemonic rider. At first, with the bad pics, I tought he was kind of a leper king, which would have been way cooler imo than a fat plaguebearer with a dumb smile. Thankfully, we have enough face in the blightkings kit, that changing his head will not be a problem.
Beside that, I really love this release. I'll buy one for sure to use as a GUO in 40k. Hopefully, they sculpted what's beneath the saddle,
It's okay tho, that guys rules are by far the worst!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That too. 
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Post by: Micky
For gods sake GW, go check yourself into a fething skull fetish support group ok?
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Post by: Wazdakka!
Cool, these look really nice, although there i very little variation between the 3 different monsters, except for the riders.
The monsters remind me of these from the first Quake game:
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
H.B.M.C. wrote:I love the Daemonic rider. He looks ace. The guy with the horn growing out of his face has an expression like "Oh God what is this thing coming out of my face... get it off! Get it off!".
Surprisingly the Daemonic rider isn't an actual daemon, but someone with a whole load of mutations. Since he only has Daemonic Skin like the others rather then the Daemon rules.
Love the mounts though! It's rare we get to see some new mounts for chaos that are nice, big and gribbly.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
It looks like they are pushing the "rider and mount share a profile" thing. Bet that is a change in Warhammer 9th, and they are just laying the groundwork for it now.
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Post by: ImAGeek
If they combine the Daemons, Warriors and Beasts lists ala Undead Legions, what do you think the chances are they'll do the same with the Elves lists? I'd love to do a DE/WE army.
Those Nurgle beasts look pretty cool, I just think they all look a bit too similar.
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Post by: Saldiven
As a DoC player, all I can say is this:
So tired of Nurgle stuff.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
 Micky wrote:For gods sake GW, go check yourself into a fething skull fetish support group ok?
Nothing wrong with that.
I can imagine a man-eating monster's bile might have a skull floating in it 
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Post by: jojo_monkey_boy
Fun models. It's too bad they're not usable as a non-character unit.
On another note, I don't understand the whining about it being a nurgle release. Warriors of Chaos received slaanesh and khorne exclusive units with the new book, now nurgle is being bumped up to match. We know GW will only release so many models with each release, so why form unrealistic expectations.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
 MajorWesJanson wrote:It looks like they are pushing the "rider and mount share a profile" thing. Bet that is a change in Warhammer 9th, and they are just laying the groundwork for it now.
If it means I can use my Star Dragon again without it standing around confused becuase the rider took an arrow to the knee, I'm all for it!
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Post by: notprop
A Nurgle Rancor, I like!
Now I never thought I would say this but the phlegm is brilliantly done. Usually I find that "effects" don't look right on most models but that is super.
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Post by: streetsamurai
H.B.M.C. wrote: streetsamurai wrote:hate the stupid grin on the daemonic rider. At first, with the bad pics, I tought he was kind of a leper king, which would have been way cooler imo than a fat plaguebearer with a dumb smile.
It's a riff on the old Plague Daemon cover:
lol, yeah i kown it's an old nurgle trope. Doensn't means I have to like it
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Post by: Wayniac
I like, but WHFB sucks for the most part, and of course there's the price.
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Post by: streamdragon
Hm... I'm seeing definitely popssibilities in using that nurgle mount for Hellpit parts...
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Sucks? Uhh...
>Better game
>Less stupid miniatures
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Post by: Wayniac
> Less popular
> Costs more
> Still clunky
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Post by: Medium of Death
I quite like it, but I'm not too keen on the riders.
From the wording and the fact that these three Heralds seem to be leading the different Chaos armies it looks like the next book is definitely going to be Mono-God. I'm assuming the next part will be Human forces of some kind...?
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Post by: Ratius
Pity it seems so Nurgle focused of late, the Daemon side I mean.
Would love some more Tzeentch or Khorne loving.
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Post by: Bronzefists42
Khorne has all sorts of crap going for him.
Where the hell is that Tzeentch love?! They're dedicated units are as follows:
-Rubric marines (crap)
-Pink horrors
-Flamers
-Screamers
-2 wizards
-weird chariot flamer thing
-ancient metal greater daemon models.
I don't play demons specifically but new stuff to work with for my Navigator House stuff is nice.
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Post by: Azreal13
Welp, I really wasn't sure about these guys, but as I try to maintain at least an air of rationality on here (I'm completely bat gak IRL, BTW ) I didn't wish to be part of the crowd who cry the sky is falling when a few low res, blurry shots leak (on the Monday before the White Dwarf drops, almost every week strangely...) so I resolved to wait for big pics and 360s before making up my mind.
That's now happened.
Nope.
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Post by: Wulfmar
I've sadly not got the time or compulsion to read through everything on here. One thing that had popped into my head looking at the new Nurgle riders though...
(You have to have seen the film or know of it to get the reference here)
Am I alone?
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Post by: StormKing
Well the price was what I suspected comparable to the motarchs but a little cheaper.
Interesting bundle deals with this one. Beastmen and daemons don't contain any of the new models.
It was rumours (on another site) that this release would last 8 weeks total but I think that's some Bologna. Just my opinion anyways lol
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Post by: migooo
 Wulfmar wrote:I've sadly not got the time or compulsion to read through everything on here. One thing that had popped into my head looking at the new Nurgle riders though...
(You have to have seen the film or know of it to get the reference here)
Am I alone?
Whelp there even less sleep for me tonight, cheers.
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Post by: Experiment 626
 Medium of Death wrote:I quite like it, but I'm not too keen on the riders.
From the wording and the fact that these three Heralds seem to be leading the different Chaos armies it looks like the next book is definitely going to be Mono-God. I'm assuming the next part will be Human forces of some kind...?
I'll be super peeved if the combined host rules for the Chaos armies are for Nurgle only... Nurgle doesn't need any more love, he's the clear cut best build for WoC, and the Nurgle Wall DoC build is only second fiddle now because it can't answer the BotWD problem the way Slaanesh can.
Poor Khorne & Tzeentch though are mostly complete poop, with only a couple notable exceptions.
And seriously, where in the flying rodent's gak are those plastic Greater Daemons?! Why not fix up & replace those piles of crap before giving us a bunch of new characters only a minority of Chaos players will even want? 
If we'd gotten the plastic Greaters with this release, I would have instantly put down for 3 of the 4. (as a Tzeentch loyalist, I'll *never* touch anything Nurgle! )
As it is, I'm likely to not even get the actual book itself since it's apparently just about Nurgle's boys... I'll instead wait for the paperback or inevitable sale the LGS will have to get rid of dusty hardbacks by this time next year.
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
Looks very cool, looking forward to seeing good pictures
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Post by: streetsamurai
Hard to tell since the pic is not exactly stellar, but he seems a it redundant, since he look really similar to the maggot lord
Well, I guess he's an even better count as than the maggot lord for a GUO
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Post by: ImAGeek
Wulfmar wrote:I've sadly not got the time or compulsion to read through everything on here. One thing that had popped into my head looking at the new Nurgle riders though...
(You have to have seen the film or know of it to get the reference here)
Am I alone?
Nope that's exactly what I thought when I saw it too haha. Glotkin looks cool so far from the crappy picture. Will see properly from better pictures. Does it have 2 riders?
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Post by: streetsamurai
he has 2 riders for sure.
and one of them look like the leper king I so badly want.
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Post by: Ghaz
Looks interesting. Wonder if this could be a dual Glottkin/Great Unclean One kit
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Post by: StormKing
That's definitely way bigger than the maggot lords. Looks probably 1.5 or more larger.
Still won't be buying any of these. They are decent Models and I don't mind nurgle but I'm still waiting for my dear ol Skaven to get some love lol
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Post by: Gimgamgoo
At first glance I thought these looked amazing.
On closer look though, all the riders look like they're falling forwards off the mount. The mount's leg joints also look a little "gappy" like they're action figures.
If I had the silly money GW were asking I'd maybe get one to work on as a project, but for the price of one model, I could get an entire boxed set game by a different company.
I do actually play Fantasy (3000 pts of Undead and 2500 of Orc/Goblins), but the price of the Nagash rules and the unavailability of the spell cards they made for that release just kinda made me drift away from GW. :-(
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Post by: namiel
But no book...............
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Well you can't please everybody, but I think these are suitably gribbly for Nurgle beasts., I'll stick to my goatmen and evil pointy ears. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Most likely to be next week.
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Post by: streetsamurai
who knows, it might also release with Glotkkin
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Post by: OgreChubbs
Anyone else notice that daemon mortals and beasts all have nurgle stuff ie work together 
twiceborn daemons
daemonspew warriors
rotspawned beasts
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Post by: namiel
 angelofvengeance wrote:Well you can't please everybody, but I think these are suitably gribbly for Nurgle beasts., I'll stick to my goatmen and evil pointy ears.
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Most likely to be next week.
But i dont wanna wait 
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Post by: Eldarain
I like what they did with them. Though I was hoping for more of a Mortarch type box. With an Undivided mount and then bits to add to make each Herald of Archaon who follow each god.
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Just going to leave this here...
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Post by: Haight
MajorWesJanson wrote:It looks like they are pushing the "rider and mount share a profile" thing. Bet that is a change in Warhammer 9th, and they are just laying the groundwork for it now.
My thoughts exactly. The second i saw mortarchs i thought "this is going to be how they handle riders and monstrous mounts".
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That's awesome.
And i don't even play chaos.
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Post by: quickfuze
Its less popular because you actually have to "play" your army. Not just go buy the latest greatest Cheese and win in the list creation phase
costs more is relative. You can play low model count armies just like you can play all terminator armies if you want less cost
Not even sure what you mean here, but I am assuming you are referring to the way movement is done? If so, see my first response....yes the most important phase in the game is the movement phase.... 40Ks most important phase is the wallet phase where you buy victories.
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Post by: Manchu
Gents, debating the merits of the game overall is really the subject for a different thread which you are welcome to start in the relevant subforum, the WHFB Disucssion section. Thanks.
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Post by: BorderCountess
 Eldarain wrote:I like what they did with them. Though I was hoping for more of a Mortarch type box. With an Undivided mount and then bits to add to make each Herald of Archaon who follow each god.
Nah, not Chaos-y enough. Each mount should reflect a different god.
Still disappointed at the overflow of Nurgle, and I, too, will be pissed if the book is Nurgle-only. They already got their own book with that Tamurkhan thingy. Plus, I'll echo the sentiment that Tzeentch is now the only god without Mark-specific units for Warriors of Chaos.
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Post by: quickfuze
I just hope as another poster stated that this isn't all that chaos will b getting. Nurgle has long been the only consistent reliable build for both WoC and Demons. They are the last in line of chaos that needs a helping hand.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
 Manfred von Drakken wrote: Eldarain wrote:I like what they did with them. Though I was hoping for more of a Mortarch type box. With an Undivided mount and then bits to add to make each Herald of Archaon who follow each god.
Nah, not Chaos-y enough. Each mount should reflect a different god.
Still disappointed at the overflow of Nurgle, and I, too, will be pissed if the book is Nurgle-only. They already got their own book with that Tamurkhan thingy. Plus, I'll echo the sentiment that Tzeentch is now the only god without Mark-specific units for Warriors of Chaos.
I'd have thought a Mutalith Vortex Beast is pretty Tzeentchian?
Also- I'll just leave this here for you all..
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Post by: Kirasu
Except the vortex beast is terrible, so no one uses or buys it I imagine.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
 Kirasu wrote:Except the vortex beast is terrible, so no one uses or buys it I imagine.
And you'd know this how exactly?
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Its not difficult to correlate bad rules to weaker sales.
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Post by: Ratius
Has anyone seen this, its full rules are available in the box on the construction sheet???
Is this new? I havent seen rules in a kit box in.....
Will these guys not get coverage then in end times 2?
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Bloab-Rotspawned
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Most likely they will, I think GW are just saying you don't necessarily need the end times vol 2 to play with em.
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Post by: jonolikespie
2nd edition Dystopian Wars outsold 7th edition 40k 7:1 through Australia's largest FLGS.
7 to 1.
That same retailer has said that GW products are down to 10-15% of their total revenue.
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Post by: Sim-Life
angelofvengeance wrote: Manfred von Drakken wrote: Eldarain wrote:I like what they did with them. Though I was hoping for more of a Mortarch type box. With an Undivided mount and then bits to add to make each Herald of Archaon who follow each god.
Nah, not Chaos-y enough. Each mount should reflect a different god.
Still disappointed at the overflow of Nurgle, and I, too, will be pissed if the book is Nurgle-only. They already got their own book with that Tamurkhan thingy. Plus, I'll echo the sentiment that Tzeentch is now the only god without Mark-specific units for Warriors of Chaos.
I'd have thought a Mutalith Vortex Beast is pretty Tzeentchian?
Also- I'll just leave this here for you all..
That thing looks enormous
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Post by: Flashman
Wonder if it has an alternate build as a GUO. Probably not...
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Post by: angelofvengeance
 Flashman wrote:Wonder if it has an alternate build as a GUO. Probably not...
It's a nice thought though.
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
Lose the riders, build a palanquin and it would make a good kugaath stand in. The right fist makes a good orifice for firing poo projectiles from.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Love it from that pic, but going t hold f he adulation until I see more pics, too often the leaked pics and later pics get completely different reaction from me.
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Post by: Experiment 626
angelofvengeance wrote: Manfred von Drakken wrote: Eldarain wrote:I like what they did with them. Though I was hoping for more of a Mortarch type box. With an Undivided mount and then bits to add to make each Herald of Archaon who follow each god.
Nah, not Chaos-y enough. Each mount should reflect a different god.
Still disappointed at the overflow of Nurgle, and I, too, will be pissed if the book is Nurgle-only. They already got their own book with that Tamurkhan thingy. Plus, I'll echo the sentiment that Tzeentch is now the only god without Mark-specific units for Warriors of Chaos.
I'd have thought a Mutalith Vortex Beast is pretty Tzeentchian?
Except the Vortex Beast is;
a) Terribly useless
b) Doesn't have the Mark of Tzeentch, ergo, it's not a Tzeentch unit! (it's really more of a super spawn)
Tzeentch has always been the eternally screwed over Chaos God... At least with the last DoC release we got the Burny Chariot and (eventually) rules for the Exalted Flamer on it's own.
Still, Tzeentch has no dedicated unit in the WoC book, and overall, he's always been the worst Chaos God rules-wise outside of the Lords/Heroes section.
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Post by: decker_cky
I'm not sure the Vortex beast is any more Tzeentchian than it is Slaaneshi, but overall, super-spawn is how I think of it.
It also is a nice intersection between unfortunate pricing (still more expensive than the new nurgle beasties) and subpar rules (not horrible, but outclassed by other choices in the WoC list).
Nice model though.
I actually have the tentacles and icon, and I'm wondering how easy it would be to convert one of the new nurgle beasties into a vortex beast. There's a few nurgle icons to greenstuff over, but it shouldn't be hard.
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Post by: StormKing
From what I understand this is the same with all the other end times models. I picked up a box of the new spirit hosts (to use as rat swarms cause the spirit hosts are awesome models) but they also came with the rules for them.
I don't understand why they included the rules tho because if you want to use them you should have the undead legions book anyways.
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Post by: RiTides
I know it's been posted a few separate times, but wow- that pic is epic. The model looks to have huge potential!
The smaller nurgle creations are really suffering from their joints being so visible (and the studio painters not covering the seams...) but this larger one could be amazing. Looking forward to more pics!
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Post by: Sirius42
Anyone tried putting gutrot on a smaller base to use as a normal chaos lord? If so does he rank?
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Post by: Bloodhorror
Subscribing so I can see better pictures of that Glottkin when they leak !
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Post by: BorderCountess
So um, yeah... Looks like this might have what we've all been waiting for:
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Ganked from Facebook, so take with a grain of salt.
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Post by: tydrace
I can confirm, I have it as well.
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Post by: morganfreeman
Chaos Legions, you say?
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Post by: StormKing
Just like undead legions.
At least now people know that its ment to be infantry not monstrous infantry.
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Post by: Quarterdime
 Bronzefists42 wrote:Khorne has all sorts of crap going for him.
Where the hell is that Tzeentch love?! They're dedicated units are as follows:
-Rubric marines (crap)
-Pink horrors
-Flamers
-Screamers
-2 wizards
-weird chariot flamer thing
-ancient metal greater daemon models.
I don't play demons specifically but new stuff to work with for my Navigator House stuff is nice.
Even though that's all true, Slaanesh has it the worst of them all. Slaanesh dedicated units are as follows:
-Noise Marines
-Daemonettes
-Fiends (only 2 of previously 3 available variations)
-Seekers (with bad rider models that aren't dynamic at all)
-1 Herald
-Chariot
-an equally ancient greater daemon model...
Also,
-Finecast, not metal
-Each god has a named herald that has a model. They're all consistent with the current range except Epidemius (Nurgle, ironically!)
Generally speaking, there's a lot of things to fix with the chaos daemons as a miniatures product line. Even moreso if you consider god-specific models in general. At least in 40k.
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Post by: Platuan4th
If by equally ancient you meant originally released 2+ years after the LoC, sure. The Keeper is actually the youngest of the Greater Daemons.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
 chiefbigredman wrote:
Just like undead legions.
At least now people know that its ment to be infantry not monstrous infantry.
Thank the gods, otherwise they'd make Ogre Kingdoms look inadequate in every possibly manner.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Thank the gods, otherwise they'd make Ogre Kingdoms look inadequate in every possibly manner.
And thank the gods as well, they make it so the points I pay for Killing Blow on my Executioners are not wasted!
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Post by: tarnish
Really looking forward to seeing rules for the Big guys in the nurgle bunch. One of them just has to be a Great Unclean One or i will be severely disappointed.
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Post by: Experiment 626
 tarnish wrote:Really looking forward to seeing rules for the Big guys in the nurgle bunch. One of them just has to be a Great Unclean One or i will be severely disappointed.
Prepare to be disappointed then... Granted the Glotkin will make an excellent conversion base for a GUO, but considering we likely only have 1 more week of the Chaos End Times release, those plastic Greaters won't be rearing their heads anytime soon.
Still, I think it's a little silly for Nurgle players to be complaining they haven't got a GUO yet when they've just received an entire 3 week release worth of goodies. If anyone has a right to complain, it's us poor Tzeentch players!
Tzeentch is now the *only* God who has yet to receive a specific marked unit for WoC, while DoC simply put up with being the outright worst mono God army...
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Post by: Bronzefists42
Honestly Tzeentch needs more stuff like this:
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Post by: Quarterdime
Agreed!
Also, I didn't know that the Keeper model was 2 years more recent. That's... actually kind of depressing. It makes me wonder if the next Chaos Daemons update won't just see 2 or 3 Greater Daemons updated with GW deciding they could get away with leaving 1. Which would probably be the Keeper of Secrets seeing as how they've had an aversion to making Slaanesh models since the Daemonette redesign.
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Post by: Antonio13
 Quarterdime wrote: Bronzefists42 wrote:Khorne has all sorts of crap going for him.
Where the hell is that Tzeentch love?! They're dedicated units are as follows:
-Rubric marines (crap)
-Pink horrors
-Flamers
-Screamers
-2 wizards
-weird chariot flamer thing
-ancient metal greater daemon models.
I don't play demons specifically but new stuff to work with for my Navigator House stuff is nice.
Even though that's all true, Slaanesh has it the worst of them all. Slaanesh dedicated units are as follows:
-Noise Marines
-Daemonettes
-Fiends (only 2 of previously 3 available variations)
-Seekers (with bad rider models that aren't dynamic at all)
-1 Herald
-Chariot
-an equally ancient greater daemon model...
Also,
-Finecast, not metal
-Each god has a named herald that has a model. They're all consistent with the current range except Epidemius (Nurgle, ironically!)
Generally speaking, there's a lot of things to fix with the chaos daemons as a miniatures product line. Even moreso if you consider god-specific models in general. At least in 40k.
Just thought I'd chime in on this. I think its worth noting the number of named characters (most of these new Nurgle releases are named characters after all), and a few generic characters and unit have been missed from your tallies.
Tzeench also has:
-Herald on Disk
-The Bluescribes
-The Changeling
-Vilitch
-Ahriman
-Remeber that Kairos is by far the youngest of the Greater Daemon models, released after Chaos was split in Fantasy 7th/ 40k 4th edition. I was especially disappointed back then as I had hoped they would make Greater Daemons big, and Kairos was a pretty clear indicator that they wanted to keep them small at the time.
-Galrauch is technically a Tzeench character
Slaanesh also has:
-Lord on boobworm
-Hellstriders
-The Masque
-Sigvald
-Lucious the Eternal
Back on topic, I think the new Nurgle releases have been great. The Blightkings are marked chosen done right. I guess the larger base size was inevitable since its hard enough to get warriors to rank up as it is. The Maggoth lords look great, I'd love to have one as a centrepiece for my army (and thats a big call coming from someone who used to be a pure Tzeench player), although I'm surprised they are all Chaos lords. I would have expected one herald and one bray shaman. One of them looks like a big nurgling, and the sorcerer is even painted with beastmen skin tones. I'm also surprised we only get three named lords and its not a generic mount option (although the Mortarchs were the same I suppose).
I'll wait for more photos before commenting on Glottkin.
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Post by: quickfuze
Am I the only one that wants to make a giant chariot of nurgle out of these?
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Post by: Saldiven
Experiment 626 wrote:Tzeentch is now the *only* God who has yet to receive a specific marked unit for WoC, while DoC simply put up with being the outright worst mono God army...
Khorne DoC would disagree with you.
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Post by: Ghaz
 quickfuze wrote:Am I the only one that wants to make a giant chariot of nurgle out of these?
The maggoths? I think Morbidex Twiceborn would make a good substitute for a Herald of Nurgle on a palanquin for either a 40k or WHFB Chaos Daemon army and Bloab Rotspawned sans Bloab would make a good counts as Defiler of Nurgle.
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Post by: Quarterdime
quickfuze wrote:Am I the only one that wants to make a giant chariot of nurgle out of these?
Maybe not. But I'm not on board with that idea. It'd either need to follow new Beasts of Nurgle models or involve rot flies, and those are too huge as it is for the chariot to have a good silhouette. If you want it to be an End Times release then Maggoths still more or less present the same challenge. Not to mention Nurgle still has yet to get a palanquin outside of Third Edition Epidemius. Ideally, the next Chaos Daemons update should have no new units but instead provide models for existing units, like Herald on Palanquin, Herald on Seeker, Beasts of Nurgle, Fiends of Slaanesh, and most importantly of all the four Greater Daemons.
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Post by: Experiment 626
Saldiven wrote:Experiment 626 wrote:Tzeentch is now the *only* God who has yet to receive a specific marked unit for WoC, while DoC simply put up with being the outright worst mono God army...
Khorne DoC would disagree with you.
Khorne armies don't have the majority of their damage output potential tied to the most random phase of the game... His only problem are the majority of his options being badly over-pointed.
Try being the poor idiot who goes an entire game with no more than 6 power dice per magic phase!
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Post by: mikhaila
Kirasu wrote:Its not difficult to correlate bad rules to weaker sales.
It had very, very weak sales. Bad rules, high price point. Based on information from my stores, other retailers, a distributor, and GW, this model had very low sales.
So i'll back Mr. Kirasu's statement up.
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Post by: BorderCountess
 mikhaila wrote: Kirasu wrote:Its not difficult to correlate bad rules to weaker sales.
It had very, very weak sales. Bad rules, high price point. Based on information from my stores, other retailers, a distributor, and GW, this model had very low sales.
So i'll back Mr. Kirasu's statement up.
It was certainly fun to paint, though.
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Post by: Buttlerthepug
The Glotkin will indeed be accompanied by the End Times book. Not sure if it was confirmed already or not, but we won't have to wait yet another week to get in in hand.
Suppose that also confirms the fact that it's going to be a purely Nurgle release, so that's somewhat a bummer.
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Post by: StormKing
Well noone has posted it yet on here so I geuss I will here is the UK prices and stuff. Found on the interwebs lol
This weeks pre-orders:
The Glottkin (€86/£66)
Warhammer: Glottkin (Book) (€52/£40)
End Times: The Fall of Altdorf (Black Library)
The Bane of Malekith (Black Library)
There are also two bundles (I'm guessing) for 40K.
SO that confirms the same price as Nagash for Glottkin
Not sure if the Glottkin will contain rules or if its just a straight up fluff book.
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Post by: Azreal13
That's...odd?
It's one thing bringing out a shiny book for one of the cornerstones of WHFB lore and charging a premium over the standard Armybook/Codex price for it as well as a high price band model. It's another to fabricate something new and expect people to be enthusiastic enough about it to spend that sort of cash.
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Post by: StormKing
 Azreal13 wrote:That's...odd? It's one thing bringing out a shiny book for one of the cornerstones of WHFB lore and charging a premium over the standard Armybook/Codex price for it as well as a high price band model. It's another to fabricate something new and expect people to be enthusiastic enough about it to spend that sort of cash.
Are you referring to the price of the Glottkin? Or the book #2 lore book? (if it is indeed a lorebook only)
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Post by: Azreal13
If it follows the pattern of the Nagash release, the book will be rules and lore - Warhammer: Nagash certainly did, so we have a model which will require a £106 investment to take full advantage of the model and rules and none of the heritage to enthuse people.
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Post by: Triple_double_U
chiefbigredman wrote:Well noone has posted it yet on here so I geuss I will here is the UK prices and stuff. Found on the interwebs lol
This weeks pre-orders:
The Glottkin (€86/£66)
Warhammer: Glottkin (Book) (€52/£40)
End Times: The Fall of Altdorf (Black Library)
The Bane of Malekith (Black Library)
There are also two bundles (I'm guessing) for 40K.
SO that confirms the same price as Nagash for Glottkin
Not sure if the Glottkin will contain rules or if its just a straight up fluff book.
Is "Warhammer: Glottkin" the same as End Times: Glottkin?
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Post by: BorderCountess
I doubt it will be just a lore book, as it will at least have rules for a Chaos Legion, and probably have special rules for a bunch of characters, as well.
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Post by: StormKing
Azreal13 wrote:If it follows the pattern of the Nagash release, the book will be rules and lore - Warhammer: Nagash certainly did, so we have a model which will require a £106 investment to take full advantage of the model and rules and none of the heritage to enthuse people.
Ah okay I see what you are saying.
I agree I mean this new models doesn't have what Nagash had in terms of history but I still think people will purchase the book.
Was the nagash book and end times 1 combo £40? I don't think so since the Ibook version is £50. It would make sense if the fluffbook is much less substantial which would be fine since nearly 300 pages for the first end times book was extremely large.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Seems odd that they'd make a book for some new character called "Glottkin".
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Post by: nels1031
Awesomeness!
Getting the book from GW, the Black Library book that supplements the lore in the bigger book, and possibly the Glottkin model. Love me some WHFB!
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Post by: Azreal13
chiefbigredman wrote: Azreal13 wrote:If it follows the pattern of the Nagash release, the book will be rules and lore - Warhammer: Nagash certainly did, so we have a model which will require a £106 investment to take full advantage of the model and rules and none of the heritage to enthuse people.
Ah okay I see what you are saying.
I agree I mean this new models doesn't have what Nagash had in terms of history but I still think people will purchase the book.
Was the nagash book and end times 1 combo £40? I don't think so since the Ibook version is £50. It would make sense if the fluffbook is much less substantial which would be fine since nearly 300 pages for the first end times book was extremely large.
The interactive digital versions have regularly been more expensive than their physical counterparts. Not always, but on several occasions.
I can't check however, as due to the 'unique' way GW sells us things, the physical book is no longer listed in the web store.
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Post by: Eldarain
H.B.M.C. wrote:Seems odd that they'd make a book for some new character called "Glottkin".
I agree. I was hoping for an End Times: Archaon with new giant models of Archaon and his Heralds to go with it.
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Post by: Triple_double_U
Is it possible that there will be this End Times book, another couple for Defenders of the Light (Men/dwarfs) and Elves, then finish with End Times: Archaon in which Archaon and Nagash have fisticuffs.
This doesn't explain what will happen to the likes of Orcs, Ogres, Skaven, Lizards though...
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Post by: Warboss Imbad Ironskull
Personally I would LOVE for them to come out with plastic kits for all of the Greater Daemon types, be even cooler if they made it so each kit had alternate bits to turn it into a god specific Daemon Prince!
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
Looks pretty much like a few end times books to advance storyline, test some new rules (combined mount format) and get people used to combined legion forces. Then release new whfb with new advanced plot line, invalidate all army books and end times books and start selling new format combined race army books. Less army books means a tighter release schedule between editions. So you end up with shorter releases between editions for both 40k and fantasy.
That's enough tinfoil hat for now though.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
You think they'd do an "Elven Kingdoms" and a "Kingdoms of Man" style book, making them all-in-one?
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Post by: OgreChubbs
In the book endtimes they already kinda said what will be happening.
Dwarf are locking their doors "only one who didn't was the slayer king who went out fought the beasts of chaos then went home.
Beastmen got beat twice in the book and lost most of their numbers "so lumped into nurgle release"
Ogres did what they always do went to hire out their arms to help fight
Orcs said they need a fist of gork and a hand of mork "hinted at skarsnik and grimgor" they they just marched off to fight with no real leader
Empire and brets seem to be going to team up since both got a trumping. Also apperantly woodelves helped them both out so may get lumped in with them
Nagash is now sitting on his throne and relaxing while gains power
Archon is just chilling on his throne saying he know his horde is too big and this is "the end time there is not going to be one big battle but many to come" so aka he not moving
Skaven are getting a new seerlord and hopfully will do something.
High elves /dark elves are teaming up it seems because testicles or how ever you spell his name already sent his neice to die and is talking to malaketh.
So people who probly will be mentioned but do nothing are "orcs,dwarfs,beastmen,ogres,"
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Post by: Triple_double_U
Anyone catch the hidden message in the what's new today article?
Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Would malekith be considered tyrion and teclis' brother or uncle/cousin?
Also the new black library book for this week is entitled the fall of Altdorf. So that had to be one of the three cities.
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Post by: Donomar
Azreal13 wrote:If it follows the pattern of the Nagash release, the book will be rules and lore - Warhammer: Nagash certainly did, so we have a model which will require a £106 investment to take full advantage of the model and rules and none of the heritage to enthuse people.
I think if they do it right many people will be enthusiastic about the second book. Nagash was a nice starter but had an established background and lore.There is obviously a greater challenge with the second wave as afar as fluff goes but it's also intriguing to know what they do with the fluff surrounding this new character. Cost is high but if like the Nagash wave it will be worth it in my opinion.
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Post by: Lockark
It seems bizarre to me the book with the rules to let you play combined chaos forces, seems to be dead set focused on nurgle characters and units. You would think a chaos book like that would be more chaos undivided.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Triple_double_U wrote:Anyone catch the hidden message in the what's new today article?
Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Would malekith be considered tyrion and teclis' brother or uncle/cousin?
Also the new black library book for this week is entitled the fall of Altdorf. So that had to be one of the three cities.
Three more reasons to dislike this nonsense.
OK seriously, maybe someone can explain this to me because I just don't get it:
GW went total exterminatus on FW's plans for the Tamurkhan series because apparently they thought that essentially ending the Warhammer World by killing off the majority of the existing characters and factions and granting almost-victory to Nurgle-led Chaos was a stupid idea.
GW are now doing essentially exactly that, with the addition of Nagash.
Did someone dump a bunch of lead into Nottingham's tap water in the time inbetween that made them go collectively wonko?
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Post by: thenoobbomb
 Yodhrin wrote:Triple_double_U wrote:Anyone catch the hidden message in the what's new today article?
Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Would malekith be considered tyrion and teclis' brother or uncle/cousin?
Also the new black library book for this week is entitled the fall of Altdorf. So that had to be one of the three cities.
Three more reasons to dislike this nonsense.
OK seriously, maybe someone can explain this to me because I just don't get it:
GW went total exterminatus on FW's plans for the Tamurkhan series because apparently they thought that essentially ending the Warhammer World by killing off the majority of the existing characters and factions and granting almost-victory to Nurgle-led Chaos was a stupid idea.
GW are now doing essentially exactly that, with the addition of Nagash.
Did someone dump a bunch of lead into Nottingham's tap water in the time inbetween that made them go collectively wonko?
Maybe they changed opinions.
Or maybe GW just thought it'd be better to advance the plot themselves, rather than super-expensive Forgeworld?
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Post by: chochky
H.B.M.C. wrote:You think they'd do an "Elven Kingdoms" and a "Kingdoms of Man" style book, making them all-in-one?
They could do that, and then release supplement books (like the 40k supplements) to flesh out the books better (e.g. Kingdoms of Men: +bretonnian themed supplement, +empire nuln supplement, +tilean mercenaries supplement etc). It's plausible.
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Post by: Red_Zeke
Yodhrin wrote:
GW went total exterminatus on FW's plans for the Tamurkhan series because apparently they thought that essentially ending the Warhammer World by killing off the majority of the existing characters and factions and granting almost-victory to Nurgle-led Chaos was a stupid idea.
I have to admit, it's been a while since I read Tamurkhan, but I don't remember any named characters dying, much less a majority. Am I missing something here?
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Post by: Yodhrin
 Red_Zeke wrote: Yodhrin wrote:
GW went total exterminatus on FW's plans for the Tamurkhan series because apparently they thought that essentially ending the Warhammer World by killing off the majority of the existing characters and factions and granting almost-victory to Nurgle-led Chaos was a stupid idea.
I have to admit, it's been a while since I read Tamurkhan, but I don't remember any named characters dying, much less a majority. Am I missing something here?
The released book was intended to be the first of four or five, the result of which would be pretty much what we're getting now with End Times(with the obvious exception of Nagash). GW squashed that plan pretty sharpish, in what might have been( IMO) their only good decision regarding IP management in the last fifteen years.
thenoobbomb says they maybe changed their minds; well, obviously. I just don't understand why, unless they're genuinely so wedded to their current business model for Fantasy and so devoid of creative thinking that the only way they could come up with to revitalise Fantasy as a property was to reheat an old previously-rejected idea to tear the whole thing down and hope they gain more players than they lose.
As for GW doing it rather than "super-expensive" Forgeworld - where are you getting GW models that they're not super-expensive? These days a FW army is only marginally more expensive than a GW army.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
FW is a lot more expensive.
10 Cadians for €20,- or 20 Solar Auxilia for like €70,-? Uhh..
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Post by: Bellzo
 RiTides wrote:
I know it's been posted a few separate times, but wow- that pic is epic. The model looks to have huge potential!
The smaller nurgle creations are really suffering from their joints being so visible (and the studio painters not covering the seams...) but this larger one could be amazing. Looking forward to more pics!
I know! I can't wait to convert the riders to a sorcerer and chaos lord, and the mount to a great unclean one. That's an awesome bundle deal
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Post by: Anvildude
 thenoobbomb wrote:FW is a lot more expensive.
10 Cadians for €20,- or 20 Solar Auxilia for like €70,-? Uhh..
So that's 2Euro per Cadian, and 3.5Euro per Auxilia, right? Consider model counts, there.
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Post by: TiamatRoar
Anvildude wrote: thenoobbomb wrote:FW is a lot more expensive.
10 Cadians for €20,- or 20 Solar Auxilia for like €70,-? Uhh..
So that's 2Euro per Cadian, and 3.5Euro per Auxilia, right? Consider model counts, there.
For some people. "75% more expensive" is a lot (it's almost twice as expensive, to be fair)
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Post by: pretre
Some guy in the background forum:
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Post by: Donomar
 Bellzo wrote:
I know! I can't wait to convert the riders to a sorcerer and chaos lord, and the mount to a great unclean one. That's an awesome bundle deal
What I'm thinking of is what else it could be used for... picturing a mash up of that and a stompa as a Chaos Nurgle knight proxy 
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Post by: StormKing
Well was looking through some other rumour threads online and stumbled upon this (take it what you will but it is coming close to release)
Via Faeitt via some other dude on some other website lol
"The Glottkin" box contains a sorcerer and a champion on a monster similar to a Nurgle giant;
- The english version of "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" is a set with two hardcover books, one for the story and the other for the rules;
- The italian version is a softcover book with the rules and a reduced version of the story;
- "Warhammer The End Times: Glottkin" contains the story about the forces of Chaos (Daemons, Warriors of Chaos and Beastmen) invading the Empire.
Now some of that we already know but just semi sorta confirms the two hardcover books one with fluff and one with rules
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Post by: Platuan4th
Very tempted to pre-order this one.
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Post by: triplegrim
Am I the only one tho thinks GW will make the redrawn Warhammer world more steampunk, after seeing Malifaux and Warmahordes success?
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Post by: namiel
 triplegrim wrote:Am I the only one tho thinks GW will make the redrawn Warhammer world more steampunk, after seeing Malifaux and Warmahordes success?
Yes, you are the only one. If whfb goes steampunk I'm out. Just like that.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
 namiel wrote: triplegrim wrote:Am I the only one tho thinks GW will make the redrawn Warhammer world more steampunk, after seeing Malifaux and Warmahordes success?
Yes, you are the only one. If whfb goes steampunk I'm out. Just like that.
Are you unaware of the steam tank, steam cannon, gyrocopter, gattling muskets and robohorse?
A bit late to rail against putting some steampunk in WHFB, they've been doing it since before it was cool.
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Post by: VanHammer
The Glottkin is not the mount/large model.
Its the names of the 2 riders on top of it.
"nurgles earthly emissarie s"
pretty big
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Post by: StormKing
 Kid_Kyoto wrote: namiel wrote: triplegrim wrote:Am I the only one tho thinks GW will make the redrawn Warhammer world more steampunk, after seeing Malifaux and Warmahordes success?
Yes, you are the only one. If whfb goes steampunk I'm out. Just like that.
Are you unaware of the steam tank, steam cannon, gyrocopter, gattling muskets and robohorse?
A bit late to rail against putting some steampunk in WHFB, they've been doing it since before it was cool.
Skaven have some pretty steampunky type things if you look at their weapon teams and the warplock engineers (clan skyre stuff essentially)
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Post by: skullking
I'm really digging the nurgle stuff they've shown so far. Excited to see what else they have for him, and hopefully other gods as well. I realize there hasn't been as much love for Tzeentch and Slaanesh, but hopefully they'll get their fair share as well. We have new(er) Khorne and Slaanesh cavalry, I'd love to see Tzeentch get some kind of crazy mounted unit.
In regards to steampunk in the game, aside from the empire and Dwarfs who have plenty of it, there are also plenty of other 'punks' in the WaFaBa world.
Skaven are 'magic stone punks'
lizardmen are 'Solar punks'
Chaos Dwarfs are 'Bound Daemon Punks' (though so are the demons as well)
Orcs & Goblins are 'snotling punks'
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Post by: Buttlerthepug
Damn that thing looks awesome. Can't wait to see some rules for it.
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Post by: Antonio13
namiel wrote: triplegrim wrote:Am I the only one tho thinks GW will make the redrawn Warhammer world more steampunk, after seeing Malifaux and Warmahordes success?
Yes, you are the only one. If whfb goes steampunk I'm out. Just like that.
Juggernauts have been in the game for how long now?
WFB has always had some steampunk involved, it just hasn't been a major theme.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Antonio13 wrote: namiel wrote: triplegrim wrote:Am I the only one tho thinks GW will make the redrawn Warhammer world more steampunk, after seeing Malifaux and Warmahordes success?
Yes, you are the only one. If whfb goes steampunk I'm out. Just like that.
Juggernauts have been in the game for how long now?
WFB has always had some steampunk involved, it just hasn't been a major theme.
Was going to say- Skaven are (sort of) steampunk. Dwarfs definitely are, and so is the Empire (mechanical horses, steam powered tanks)
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Well, that looks rather cool. Much better than they forcibly multipose megaspawns next to it.
I'd say Skaven are sort of the most steampunk race in WFB. Have you seen the amount of goggles and one eye lenses they wear?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Erm that Glottkin model is a bit big isn't it? Jeez.
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Post by: kitch102
I can see GW releasing a new carry case to coincide with this release, probably a rebranded Transit Van going by the size of that big bastard!
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Post by: Nostromodamus
Definately GUO fodder there!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 kitch102 wrote:I can see GW releasing a new carry case to coincide with this release, probably a rebranded Transit Van going by the size of that big bastard!
The Citadel FineVan™.
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Post by: Quarterdime
This is particularly promising for me because it shows me that GW has what it takes to make 4 plastic Greater Daemons in one release.
The word hope isn't strong enough for this feeling.
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Post by: Azreal13
H.B.M.C. wrote: kitch102 wrote:I can see GW releasing a new carry case to coincide with this release, probably a rebranded Transit Van going by the size of that big bastard!
The Citadel FineVan™.
Leaked images!
please spoiler large images. Thanks. reds8n
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Post by: namiel
Antonio13 wrote: namiel wrote: triplegrim wrote:Am I the only one tho thinks GW will make the redrawn Warhammer world more steampunk, after seeing Malifaux and Warmahordes success?
Yes, you are the only one. If whfb goes steampunk I'm out. Just like that.
Juggernauts have been in the game for how long now?
WFB has always had some steampunk involved, it just hasn't been a major theme.
If i start seeing random goggles on minatures that make no sense at all im done
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Post by: Donomar
namiel wrote:If i start seeing random goggles on minatures that make no sense at all im done
or engineers with goggles on their goggles. That would finish my involvement 
I wonder with this new huge release is the likelihood of the GUO character Gu'Gurrath appearing as a model release now less likely? I hope there is an option for a different head on this model.
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Post by: Wayniac
I wonder if they rumors are true and they plan to make WHFB closer to a skirmish/smaller-scale game like Warmachine, or if they just plan to do a story reboot and keep it a large-scale game.
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Post by: pretre
WayneTheGame wrote:I wonder if they rumors are true and they plan to make WHFB closer to a skirmish/smaller-scale game like Warmachine, or if they just plan to do a story reboot and keep it a large-scale game.
What rumors said it was going to be a skirmish game?
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Post by: Wayniac
 pretre wrote:WayneTheGame wrote:I wonder if they rumors are true and they plan to make WHFB closer to a skirmish/smaller-scale game like Warmachine, or if they just plan to do a story reboot and keep it a large-scale game.
What rumors said it was going to be a skirmish game?
There were a few floating around that said they were going to rework WHFB to be smaller scale. Can't remember where I read it, might have been Warseer. It wasn't the typical Faeit crap.
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Post by: edlowe
Looks pretty sweet
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Post by: thenoobbomb
WayneTheGame wrote:I wonder if they rumors are true and they plan to make WHFB closer to a skirmish/smaller-scale game like Warmachine, or if they just plan to do a story reboot and keep it a large-scale game.
Looking at the size of the latest releases...
...no, it won't become a skirmish game.
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Post by: Wayniac
thenoobbomb wrote:WayneTheGame wrote:I wonder if they rumors are true and they plan to make WHFB closer to a skirmish/smaller-scale game like Warmachine, or if they just plan to do a story reboot and keep it a large-scale game.
Looking at the size of the latest releases...
...no, it won't become a skirmish game.
I had my doubts, mostly because that'd likely kill the game entirely. I wonder what they plan on doing then with End Times overall, just shake everything up, consolidate armies and the like?
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Post by: morganfreeman
WayneTheGame wrote: thenoobbomb wrote:WayneTheGame wrote:I wonder if they rumors are true and they plan to make WHFB closer to a skirmish/smaller-scale game like Warmachine, or if they just plan to do a story reboot and keep it a large-scale game.
Looking at the size of the latest releases...
...no, it won't become a skirmish game.
I had my doubts, mostly because that'd likely kill the game entirely. I wonder what they plan on doing then with End Times overall, just shake everything up, consolidate armies and the like?
It'd appear to be consolidation from the looks of things.
Which isn't really bad, imo. It could help out a few "problem cases" out there right now.. Beastmen in particular stand out. :x
My questions would be thus: Are they going to do it with -all- armies? If so, who the feth are Orcs & Goblins and Skaven going to get rolled in with? They don't make sense with -anyone-, not even eachother.
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Post by: Mr Morden
They might do:
Elvish Kingdoms and then an expensive supplement and battle scrolls to make "proper" High, Dark and Wood Elves.........
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Post by: Tacohunter
Crystal clear pictures posted by Thorin on warseer, my god is Glottkin amazing.
http://imgur.com/a/pzqJS
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Post by: streetsamurai
dont like the right side of his face. it looks like someone just took a lighter and melted plastic
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Post by: pretre
Great pics!
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Post by: Hulksmash
That Glotkin model is purdy....Me likey.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Seriously, I'm considering picking one up, just to paint it. Very impressive, GW. Nice work on this puppy. Online retailer, of course, shave as much as I can off the bill. 
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Post by: StormKing
Perfect pictures! To bad no rules tho.
The base it is on is huge haha not a fan of the model tho.
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Post by: Savagecoyote
My Daughter just wandered up to me as i was looking at a picture of the huge bugger and just said Wow ! for a 19 month old she has taste
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Post by: skullking
From the inital pics of Glotkin I saw, I had no doubt that he'd be a double kit with a nice new great unclean one. But considering amongst all we've seen so far, there hasn't bee one pic of a model like that, I have to conclude that it's not going to happen. Although, I suppose, a sprue or two from Glottkin might be the basis for a new great unclean one kit. Here's hoping that's true, and we'll get the GUO, and all the other greater deamons soon.
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Post by: StormKing
Here is some info on the new glotkin release
Glottkin:
-3 brothers, Ghurk (Beast), Ethrac (Sorcerer), Otto (Warlord)
-Biggest kit yet for all Chaos armies, might be bigger than Nagash
-2 head/hand options for Otto, aka helmeted/unhelmeted and holding a
severed head/his own entrails
-The brothers are NOT conjoined
-Fluff: As their parents, peaceful Norscan farmers,were murdered by
imperial troops, the three wanted to take revenge and took up their
respective equipment, aka Scythe and Wizardry/Healing. Mutating into a
giant-sized beast was just an addition for Ghurk.
-The 3 nails put through a lot of stuff as already seen on the Maggoth
Lords is the Glottkin's symbol
-They're Archaon's "scouts" and were sent to kill Karl Franz and destroy
Altdorf
-No rules in the WD for them, sadly
Chaos:
-Archaon still doesn't take action but rather sends Glottkin and Valkia to
do his dirty work in the Empire/Naggaroth
Empire:
-New High Patriarch is called GregorMartak
-Karl Franz is alive and has new rules in the Glottkin book, he's called
somehthing along the lines of "The ascended Karl Franz" and can resurrect
from the dead if killed in-game, though no word's given on how often. In
another fluff text, he's called the "Mightiest fighter of the Forces of
Light". Make of that what you wish.
Bretonnia:
-Louen Leoncoeur is alive! Yes you read that right. He lives and now serves
as a vassal to Gilles le Breton
Timline:
-The Glottkin book spans over half a year, from spring 2525, when Nagash is
awoken and sends out his Mortarch Vlad to help the Empire, up to autumn
2525 and concludes in the attack on Altdorf, which happens at about the
same time as the defeat of Settra at Nagash's hands and the downfall of
Nehekhara. Basically the stories of "ET: Glottkin" and "ET: Nagash" are
parallel.
"ET: Glottkin" contains rules for a new game style called "Streets of
Death" and includes rules for fighting in cities, e.g. Altdorf and
Marienburg. Manning barricades and destroying buildings are just 2 features
mentioned that come into play during the BatRep (which the Good Guys win
actually).
The Paint Splatter article doesn't give hints about next week, strangely.
The "What's Next" part, however, says "Atemgeräte an!", which translates
to "Turn on your respirators!", "Building a Legion of Chaos", and "Codex:
Apocryphes" (however this doesn't say anything at all).
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Post by: Platuan4th
City Fight rules for Fantasy?
Pre-order just went from probably to definitely.
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Post by: Buttlerthepug
Does that mean we're getting rules for Valkia? This just went from being a really "bleh Nurgle-only release," to a "still cant wait for the Archaon Book"
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Post by: Donomar
 Platuan4th wrote:City Fight rules for Fantasy?
Pre-order just went from probably to definitely.
Was looking for a reason to buy more fantasy buildings...one big reason there
If true it makes the removal of the larger Empire terrain pieces (Fortified Manor) from the range that bit more strange, unless they plan to bring out a new wave of WHFB terrain pieces
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Post by: Kirasu
I would think it would be prudent to see if "Streets of Death" (very creative naming..) is fun before going out and buying the book and buildings..
The rules might just suck, I mean look at how often cities of death, planet strike and others are played.
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Post by: Breotan
There's always Mordheim.
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Post by: Medium of Death
http://www.beastsofwar.com/warhammer-fantasy/warhammer-times-villain-glotkin-finally-spotted/
Worth a look over on BoW. Rest of images spoilered, just thought I'd leave this one out as it gives us a good look at detail.
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Post by: Accolade
In that last picture that shows the Nurgle army, roughly how many points is all that together?
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Post by: Whumbachumba
 Accolade wrote:
In that last picture that shows the Nurgle army, roughly how many points is all that together?
Looks to be about 5000points without upgrades, before Glottkin and the three Maggoth lords.
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Post by: cammy
saw the glotkin images in this Saturdays white dwarf yesterday. The that thing is huge. from what I remember it £66 Automatically Appended Next Post:
Not sure if im right but I heard the cult of slannesh is making a comeback with the Elven book.
Also from my memeory the glotkin book explains what is happening with the other chaos gods
Khorne armies are invaiding Naggaroth
Nurgle - The empire
Slannesh - Ulthwe
but not heard anything about Tzentch
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That just means that everything is going to plan!
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Post by: Sasori
I wonder what new Elven units we'll see if it is indeed the next endimes book.
A new Malekith Sculpt would be nice!
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Post by: dan2026
I cant believe GW made this huge bastard but there still isnt a new plastic Great Unclean One. Or any of the other Greater Daemons.
What the feth GW?
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Post by: Triple_double_U
Why are people crying about no nurgle greater daemon when we have this coming out.
This is the perfect model for a greater daemon, plus you get a couple of characters thrown into the mix.
Disappointing its only a nurgle release though
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Post by: Donomar
cammy wrote:saw the glotkin images in this Saturdays white dwarf yesterday. The that thing is huge. from what I remember it £66
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Not sure if im right but I heard the cult of slannesh is making a comeback with the Elven book.
Also from my memeory the glotkin book explains what is happening with the other chaos gods
Khorne armies are invaiding Naggaroth
Nurgle - The empire
Slannesh - Ulthwe
but not heard anything about Tzentch
Nice to hear the plans for the other Chaos Gods. have a slannesh daemon army waiting to be dusted off for the third book! I would guess there could be a few nice Slannesh and Khorne kits released during this third wave 
H.B.M.C. wrote:
That just means that everything is going to plan!
Good one
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Post by: ImAGeek
cammy wrote:saw the glotkin images in this Saturdays white dwarf yesterday. The that thing is huge. from what I remember it £66
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Not sure if im right but I heard the cult of slannesh is making a comeback with the Elven book.
Also from my memeory the glotkin book explains what is happening with the other chaos gods
Khorne armies are invaiding Naggaroth
Nurgle - The empire
Slannesh - Ulthwe
but not heard anything about Tzentch
Ulthwe as in the Eldar Craftworld..?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Lol. Probably Ulthuan.
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I guessed so haha.
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Post by: Lord Scythican
Triple_double_U wrote:Why are people crying about no nurgle greater daemon when we have this coming out.
This is the perfect model for a greater daemon, plus you get a couple of characters thrown into the mix.
I second this! I plan on making a GUO, Chaos Lord, and a Chaos Sorcerer out of this kit. I am also thinking about making terminators out of the Blightkings, and Mauler fiends out of the Maggoth Lords.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
I think that would depend very much on how easy it is to leave off/remove the character figures without spoiling the area of the beast that they're attached to.
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
Shouldn't be too bad, I reckon a pile of nurglings with a pox cauldron would fill that plateau nicely.
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Post by: BorderCountess
Unless GW screw you over by having their feet modeled directly on the beastie, not unlike the Tzeentch Herald in the Burning Chariot kit.
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Post by: bubber
WD cover is now in What's new today' section:
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Post by: Moopy
Accolade wrote:
In that last picture that shows the Nurgle army, roughly how many points is all that together?
7 points. I'd almost say 8 points, but 7 is Nurgle's number.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
On the subject of all things Nurgle, there's this rather nice looking model someone's done of a Nurgle Lord riding a Beast of Nurgle/Plague Drone.
Helps if I attach the image...
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Post by: Platuan4th
cammy wrote: Not sure if im right but I heard the cult of slannesh is making a comeback with the Elven book.
I will squeal with joy if this is true. IF they do, I hope beyond hope that Anointed make a comeback. I may be a Tzeentch fanboy, but my Cult of Slaanesh army was one of the most fun to convert and play.
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Post by: OgreChubbs
So the trio of brothers is the 3 riding the new nurgle monsters "Dominating the front cover are the Brothers Glott, a trio of siblings chosen by Archaon, the Lord of the End Times, to lead the assault on the Empire."
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Ayup. Don't forget the big monster itself is the third brother.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
From BoLS, the 4 'hidden' phrases from the GW website about this Endtimes releases
(there were 4 leading up the the Nagash book too)
Across the Sea of Claws they will come, aboard rotten ships on foetid tides.
(thats nurgle and mr spume no doubt)
Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
(the Glotkin and more)
Beneath the greatest city of men the Gardener sows the seeds of despair.
(Altdorf but who's the Gardener?)
The twin-tailed comet blazes in the sky. A sign of hope, or a portent of despair, the augurs cannot say.
(I vote hope as GW is not going to can the setting entirely even if it is shaken up)
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Post by: Platuan4th
Well, Papa Nurgle does have a pretty famous garden.
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Post by: Wayniac
I have to admit that thing looks cool, but still not worth the selling price let alone the price to play WHFB again. Some nice looking collections on the site, but of course like everything else they give you barely anything and cost a couple of hundred bucks.
No thanks.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Not sure if im right but I heard the cult of slannesh is making a comeback with the Elven book.
Would make sense - its active in both Naggaroth (not surprising given Morathi) and the High Elf Kingdoms / Colonies - always has been.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Shame. I really like the Sorcerer, had it been a clamshell release I could easily have seen it becoming the new Nurgle Lord regards conversions and repurposing(one look and I had ideas for a Necromunda Scavvy leader and a Mordheim Possessed Magister), but as part of a £66 mega-kit that's only of any use to WHFB Nurgle armies? Meh.
I'll just have to hope I can find someone who wants the big beastie to use as a GUO, but doesn't want the Sorcerer(sadly an unlikely scenario, since he's much cooler than the Lord).
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
Probably clan eshin after all isn't an oniwaban a "gardener" therefore loose ninja reference?
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Post by: Lord Scythican
 sockwithaticket wrote:I think that would depend very much on how easy it is to leave off/remove the character figures without spoiling the area of the beast that they're attached to.
Well if that's the case I can resculpt the top part if needed. It takes some practice but Green Stuff is the way to go.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Worth mentioning that this is in the product description:
Warhammer: Glottkin Book 2 is a 64-page volume that contains six new scenarios and new rules based on the events in Warhammer: Glottkin Book 1. It includes the rules that will allow you to field the Glottkin, Maggoth Lords, Gutrot Spume and the Putrid Blightkings in your games of Warhammer. It also includes all-new rules for Karl Franz Ascendant (who is changed by the horrors of the End Times, but you will have to read the book to find out more) and Festus Empowered.
The Gardener almost definitively is referring to Festus.
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Post by: bubber
Worth mentioning that the new Space Marine force (£140) contains £176 worth of minis - ie an actual saving of money!
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Post by: Kanluwen
 bubber wrote:Worth mentioning that the new Space Marine force (£140) contains £176 worth of minis - ie an actual saving of money!
The boxed sets like that have been having built in savings. It is only the "one-click bundles" that don't have savings.
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Post by: Ghaz
 Lord Scythican wrote: sockwithaticket wrote:I think that would depend very much on how easy it is to leave off/remove the character figures without spoiling the area of the beast that they're attached to.
Well if that's the case I can resculpt the top part if needed. It takes some practice but Green Stuff is the way to go.
Hard to really see, but it looks like it may not be too hard to build Ghurk sans Ethrac and Otto.
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Post by: Azreal13
While I'm not as blown away by the Glotkin as some others are (frankly I'd rather it was just a GUO rather than a not-GUO to make sure people by the new unit, rather than choose to buy it because it's awesome looking) I have to say kudos to whoever painted the GW display model, painting large organic shapes like that is not easy.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
I'm liking the YouTube painting tutorials for the Maggoth Lords. Really helpful for doing large monsters like those.
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Post by: Wayniac
bubber wrote:Worth mentioning that the new Space Marine force (£140) contains £176 worth of minis - ie an actual saving of money!
Almost $300USD for 20 miniatures (okay, three are larger things). Savings or not, that's beyond ridiculous. That comes to (looking at generic options) 785 points, roughly half of a normal sized army, which would be almost $600 for a regular force, so just shy of $750 with the rules and a codex for a normal sized army. If that was half the price it's listed for, it's be a great buy and I might actually have bought it. Although that's offtopic for this particular thread...
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Post by: ImAGeek
It says there's rules for Chaos Legions in the book, I'm guessing that's combining Warriors, Beasts and Daemons?
If there's an elf book dyou think they'll do Wood, High and Dark elves combined? I'd love to do a huge monster army with dragons, Hydras, Treemen, Karibdyss, etc
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Post by: silent25
WayneTheGame wrote: bubber wrote:Worth mentioning that the new Space Marine force (£140) contains £176 worth of minis - ie an actual saving of money!
Almost $300USD for 20 miniatures (okay, three are larger things). Savings or not, that's beyond ridiculous. That comes to (looking at generic options) 785 points, roughly half of a normal sized army, which would be almost $600 for a regular force, so just shy of $750 with the rules and a codex for a normal sized army.
If that was half the price it's listed for, it's be a great buy and I might actually have bought it. Although that's offtopic for this particular thread...
You might want to check you nation flag on the site.
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Post by: Nevelon
The new SM strikeforce looks nice, but I’m not sure how well it stacks up vs. the old one. Hopefully they will keep both in print, so people can choose. The price is just $5 different, so I’m not sure why they made it.
With both you get:
Drop pod
Razorback
Tactical squad
Dread (Venerable in the old box, normal in the new)
With the old you also got:
Another Tac squad
Sniper scouts
Assault marines
Command Squad
Multi-part captain
With the new box you get:
Stormtalon
Sternguard
Mono-pose captain w/c-grav
While the new kit has a better quality of minis (sternguard being very good, talon being a solid fighter) the captain is stuck with a kinda meh wargear load. And you are looking at a vehicle plus 6 minis, vs. 26 minis in the old set. I think the overpriced nature of the sternguard and plastic captain ($50 and $30) detract from the playability of the box. They fill the same role as the older, but more resonably priced command squad and multi-captain ($35 and $22)
That said, both the old and new boxes complement each other, and would make a nice army together.
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Post by: Wayniac
 silent25 wrote:WayneTheGame wrote: bubber wrote:Worth mentioning that the new Space Marine force (£140) contains £176 worth of minis - ie an actual saving of money!
Almost $300USD for 20 miniatures (okay, three are larger things). Savings or not, that's beyond ridiculous. That comes to (looking at generic options) 785 points, roughly half of a normal sized army, which would be almost $600 for a regular force, so just shy of $750 with the rules and a codex for a normal sized army. If that was half the price it's listed for, it's be a great buy and I might actually have bought it. Although that's offtopic for this particular thread...
You might want to check you nation flag on the site.
$230 then, not $280. What I said still applies. Would buy it without much thought at half that, even at $150, but $230 for an entry-level force is still way too much.
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Post by: OgreChubbs
The book and model are up for order guys just got mine.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Book is cheaper than Nagash. I like that 
Ordering one thru my FLGS. Love these books.
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Post by: StormKing
 Hulksmash wrote:Book is cheaper than Nagash. I like that
Ordering one thru my FLGS. Love these books.
Well it better be since its alot smaller lol Nagash was a super sized book tho 296+96 and then Glotkin is 128+64
Still waiting for the Skaven one
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Post by: dan2026
This model seems like it is way too big to be a GUO anyway.
The endless wait for GW to make new Greater Daemon models continues.
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Post by: nels1031
Warhammer: Glottkin already sold out on the US site!?
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Post by: Rainbow Dash
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I must admit, those models are a bit so-so, and their names are like something out of a 1980s British heavy metal band.
Which is good, maybe GW are realizing they take themselves too seriously...
I for one hope I can make a Slayer army once again in this end times thing... would make sense!
Bunch of giant monsters running around the world? Who I wonder would decide "hey we can meet our doom fighting those" or "That Nagash is a huge guy! A worthy death indeed!"
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Post by: StormKing
Wow that was fast.... Do the FLGS stores still get certain stock of these though? EDIT: Sold out in Canada too
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Post by: SeanDrake
Just getting caught up on this end times stuff and while I can understand whfb players being happy, that the death spiral that was 8th appears to have been reversed slightly.
The whole story itself seems to be influenced by tolkien and the scraped warhammer forge storyline. Nagash sending out his nazgul, dwarves retreating to there holds humans losing a great city, most powerfull wizard turns out to be evil etc etc all we need is a macguffin for both sides to chase that can vanquish Nagash. Oh and the whole nurgle running rampant thing that was the plan for turmankhan or whatever he was called.
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Post by: Azreal13
If you're referring to the LE Glotkin, there's only 500 in the first place. Divide that over the various regional sales areas and take out a few for other channels/uses and they're not likely to hang around long, even with only mild interest.
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Post by: Kanluwen
The Webstore has a separate allocation to what FLGS and GW shops themselves get.
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Post by: StormKing
Azreal13 wrote:If you're referring to the LE Glotkin, there's only 500 in the first place. Divide that over the various regional sales areas and take out a few for other channels/uses and they're not likely to hang around long, even with only mild interest.
No we are talking about the regular edition...they are making these end times things all a limited run.
Also @kanluwen that's good to know thanks? Just for when the skaven release end times (third book maybe) then I'll order from my local store!
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Post by: Azreal13
Well, in which case it's gone in the UK as well!
Can still order the LE one though, if someone wants to paypal me the cash plus shipping!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
So can we tell if the big 'un can be built without his two little hangers-on?
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Post by: OgreChubbs
H.B.M.C. wrote:So can we tell if the big 'un can be built without his two little hangers-on?
They can look at the spru above /\
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Post by: skullking
Had the reg. edition in my cart earlier today, but had some crap to finish first at work today, and didn't get back to it till later. SOLD OUT! Now I'm going to be the proud owner of an overpriced limited ed!
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Post by: Sasori
Wait, are these end time regular books only limited? Or is just the initial run sold out?
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Post by: Moopy
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:From BoLS, the 4 'hidden' phrases from the GW website about this Endtimes releases
(there were 4 leading up the the Nagash book too)
Across the Sea of Claws they will come, aboard rotten ships on foetid tides.
(thats nurgle and mr spume no doubt)
Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
(the Glotkin and more)
Beneath the greatest city of men the Gardener sows the seeds of despair.
(Altdorf but who's the Gardener?)
The twin-tailed comet blazes in the sky. A sign of hope, or a portent of despair, the augurs cannot say.
(I vote hope as GW is not going to can the setting entirely even if it is shaken up)
Twin Tailed Comet probably = Skaven.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
 Moopy wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:From BoLS, the 4 'hidden' phrases from the GW website about this Endtimes releases
(there were 4 leading up the the Nagash book too)
Across the Sea of Claws they will come, aboard rotten ships on foetid tides.
(thats nurgle and mr spume no doubt)
Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
(the Glotkin and more)
Beneath the greatest city of men the Gardener sows the seeds of despair.
(Altdorf but who's the Gardener?)
The twin-tailed comet blazes in the sky. A sign of hope, or a portent of despair, the augurs cannot say.
(I vote hope as GW is not going to can the setting entirely even if it is shaken up)
Twin Tailed Comet probably = Skaven.
The Twin Tailed Comet is the sign of Sigmar, and the Empire..
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Post by: OgreChubbs
And the lizardmen the serpent god sotek
and the skaven horned rat
and the beasts of chaos
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Post by: endtransmission
Interesting to note that the interactive edition price on the GW website is wrong. When you get through to the Apple store, it jumps from £34.99 to £39.99. The sample version is also up on iBooks now.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
 endtransmission wrote:Interesting to note that the interactive edition price on the GW website is wrong. When you get through to the Apple store, it jumps from £34.99 to £39.99. The sample version is also up on iBooks now.
I expect that part of that will be Apple's mark up.
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Post by: Kirasu
Moopy wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:From BoLS, the 4 'hidden' phrases from the GW website about this Endtimes releases
(there were 4 leading up the the Nagash book too)
Across the Sea of Claws they will come, aboard rotten ships on foetid tides.
(thats nurgle and mr spume no doubt)
Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
(the Glotkin and more)
Beneath the greatest city of men the Gardener sows the seeds of despair.
(Altdorf but who's the Gardener?)
The twin-tailed comet blazes in the sky. A sign of hope, or a portent of despair, the augurs cannot say.
(I vote hope as GW is not going to can the setting entirely even if it is shaken up)
Twin Tailed Comet probably = Skaven.
Just because it has the word "tail" its skaven? Lizardmen have tails..and yeah that's the sign of Sigmar in either case.
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Post by: AlexHeap
Glad I managed to get my pre-order through for the regular book. That definitely sold out fast!
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Post by: StormKing
Kirasu wrote: Moopy wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:From BoLS, the 4 'hidden' phrases from the GW website about this Endtimes releases
(there were 4 leading up the the Nagash book too)
Across the Sea of Claws they will come, aboard rotten ships on foetid tides.
(thats nurgle and mr spume no doubt)
Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
(the Glotkin and more)
Beneath the greatest city of men the Gardener sows the seeds of despair.
(Altdorf but who's the Gardener?)
The twin-tailed comet blazes in the sky. A sign of hope, or a portent of despair, the augurs cannot say.
(I vote hope as GW is not going to can the setting entirely even if it is shaken up)
Twin Tailed Comet probably = Skaven.
Just because it has the word "tail" its skaven? Lizardmen have tails..and yeah that's the sign of Sigmar in either case.
I think he is referring to the comet possibly coming from Mordhiem the giant warpstone moon....which means it could be a giant piece of warpstone and could be a signal of the coming of the Great Horned one.
Probably sigmar tho but as a skaven player I can sure hope for the next book to be skaven....the excitement!
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Post by: morganfreeman
So I'm a little confused. I know that no one has a very solid answer, but...
The blurb about the Glotkin book says this: It includes the rules for fielding the Glottkin, Maggoth Lords, Gutrot Spume and the Putrid Blightkings in your games of Warhammer. It also includes all-new rules for Karl Franz Ascendant (you will have to read the book to find out more...) and Festus Empowered.
In the next paragraph, it mentions the Legions of Chaos: The new army list, The Legions of Chaos, allows you to create a unified army of Chaos drawn from Warriors of Chaos, Daemons of Chaos and Beastmen. This means that this book has the whole unified Chaos Legions thing, right? I'm just trying to touch base here.
Also, if this is -seriously- only 500 books with no re-print.. I will facepalm so fething hard. That's like making only 500 copies of a fething no codex, 500 -normal- copies.
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Post by: endtransmission
 morganfreeman wrote:
In the next paragraph, it mentions the Legions of Chaos: The new army list, The Legions of Chaos, allows you to create a unified army of Chaos drawn from Warriors of Chaos, Daemons of Chaos and Beastmen. This means that this book has the whole unified Chaos Legions thing, right? I'm just trying to touch base here.
This will probably be the same as the Undead Legions army list that just listed which units and characters from the two undead books that you could use in a unified "Undead Legions" force. It didn't include all the rules and points for the units.
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Post by: Mymearan
Relax guys, softcover versions are rumored, which seems very plausible.
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Post by: Megatronlolol
rumored
Yeah, great. Just how long will it take for them? Half a year? One year?
They could at least mention it's limited.
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Post by: StormKing
morganfreeman wrote:
Also, if this is -seriously- only 500 books with no re-print.. I will facepalm so fething hard. That's like making only 500 copies of a fething no codex, 500 -normal- copies.
I'm pretty sure its only 500 of the limited edition books.
The regular edition is still a "limited" release tho and you could maybe order from you flgs instead of online as they will probably have some in when they order
Who knows if they are actually making soft covers tho I don't get why they would unless UNLESS....once all the end times books are released they released one giant book for the fluff and I don't think they would do that with the rules but I have no idea
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Post by: Sasori
I really don't understand the limited release for the regular books.
I mean, Not being able to get the books puts me off from actually buying the models. It makes no sense.
I understand limited bundles, and limited editions... But the regular book being limited just boogles me. I mean, GW is probably loosing at least 500$ from me, maybe even more for simply no reason.
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Post by: Megatronlolol
The regular edition is still a "limited" release tho and you could maybe order from you flgs instead
If, by saying FLGS, you also mean GW stores - they don't have it. It's website only for them. Not sure about others 2, as it's 2 books per order. Unless they can place multiple orders. Oh, the irony - official GW still has limited edition copies left, while regular ones are out of stock.
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
According to element games the glotkin book is a direct only exclusive as far as the uk is concerned.
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Post by: silent25
Wasn't the same thing said about the Nagash book which proved false?
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Post by: OgreChubbs
I think it is limit time only and if you,you miss out your out of luck. Nagash was out of stock and says no longer available not out of stock so... that usually means no more.
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Post by: hellpato
I hope they will do a reprint because everything was gone in pre-order. Many of us didn't have the time to log on GW website and order it.
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Post by: tarnish
Nagash is probably just sold out. A spectacular model like that was expected to sell out at some point right?
Im sure he will be back on the shelves soon again.
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Post by: nels1031
tarnish wrote:Nagash is probably just sold out. A spectacular model like that was expected to sell out at some point right?
Im sure he will be back on the shelves soon again.
They are talking about the book, not the model.
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Post by: OgreChubbs
ya all the books are marked as no longer available. :( I do have a copy thank god of both books. They do have the ipad version. I think this is a sign tho ladys and gents,
All books will be limited quantities, the rest will be bought through ipad only.
They charge the same amount and only have to upload their pdf or what ever format it is. Rather then print and ship and have overhead. DOOM
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Post by: Triple_double_U
There's still books on the GW-Oz site.
No limited edition ones, but the regular ones are there
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Post by: His Master's Voice
OgreChubbs wrote:ya all the books are marked as no longer available. :( I do have a copy thank god of both books. They do have the ipad version. I think this is a sign tho ladys and gents,
All books will be limited quantities, the rest will be bought through ipad only.
They charge the same amount and only have to upload their pdf or what ever format it is. Rather then print and ship and have overhead. DOOM
Eh, if GW insist on being stupid, I'll insist on keeping my money. Or I'll give them to FW, they don't seem to have an issue with HH books being unlimited. Would hope it would send a message, but we all know it's like spitting at a brick wall.
Edit: Just sent GW a mail asking when Glottkin and Nagash will be back in stock. Will see what they tell me
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
 Sasori wrote:I really don't understand the limited release for the regular books.
I mean, Not being able to get the books puts me off from actually buying the models. It makes no sense.
I understand limited bundles, and limited editions... But the regular book being limited just boogles me. I mean, GW is probably loosing at least 500$ from me, maybe even more for simply no reason.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Totally agree with you, but the above statement is the mentality you're up against.
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Post by: reds8n
Mymearan wrote:Relax guys, softcover versions are rumored, which seems very plausible.
The softcover reprint of book 1 is 100% confirmed and happening.
Think it safe to assume that the same will happen for book 2.
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
 reds8n wrote:Mymearan wrote:Relax guys, softcover versions are rumored, which seems very plausible.
The softcover reprint of book 1 is 100% confirmed and happening.
Think it safe to assume that the same will happen for book 2.
Confirmed by who? Talk to me, reds8n! Talk to me! 
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Post by: reds8n
GW sent emails to the store managers one... maybe two ... weeks ago informing them of such.
Which pleased a lot of them as some of those people missed out on the book as well.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
I have no doubt that this will be PDF'd in 30secs lol. I think they do this Ltd print because they don't really want to have a backlog of this sort of thing in their warehouses. Still, you'd expect a bit more than the poxy numbers they've been rolling out
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Post by: borneo424
I have a feeling Bretonnia will play a big part. With this, hopefully new book, new models etc. Or is this wishful thinking??
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Post by: OgreChubbs
Think nurgle is just hitting empire. So no brets
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Post by: Sasori
reds8n wrote:GW sent emails to the store managers one... maybe two ... weeks ago informing them of such.
Which pleased a lot of them as some of those people missed out on the book as well.
That is really good to know. I had not heard of this, so I am glad to hear it.
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Post by: Harriticus
GW discovers advancing the plot can temporarily boost sales. Oh 40k fluff should be fun in the next few years.
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Post by: NAVARRO
Went yesterday to GW chelmsford to grab me some blightkings but no luck since it was out of stock, managed to get a Maggoth lord instead but looked like it was the last box on the shelf.
These things are selling fast.
I hope this boost the WFB footprint a bit.
BTW what a wonderfull kit the Maggoth lord is!
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Post by: Sasori
I admit, The End times stuff has really gotten my attention back into Fantasy.
The Undead Army, is just.. Awesome to say the least. If only I could get ahold of those damn books!
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Post by: Yodhrin
 Harriticus wrote:GW discovers advancing the plot can temporarily boost sales. Oh 40k fluff should be fun in the next few years.
I think this might be the point that I finally give up on GW. It's been FW and the fluff that's kept me invested despite all the price increases, anti-consumer rubbish, legal bullying etc etc, but now FW are pretty much focused on the Heresy(which is fine, but I like a bit of fantasy as well), and GW proper have apparently decided that having sacrificed so many other things, the only thing left to throw on Kirby's vanity bonfire is the fiction.
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Post by: Red_Zeke
Moopy wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:From BoLS
Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
(the Glotkin and more)
Beneath the greatest city of men the Gardener sows the seeds of despair.
(Altdorf but who's the Gardener?)
The twin-tailed comet blazes in the sky. A sign of hope, or a portent of despair, the augurs cannot say.
(I vote hope as GW is not going to can the setting entirely even if it is shaken up)
The Gardener is Nurgle, I think. His inner sanctum in the realm of Chaos is the garden of Nurgle.
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Post by: Lord Commissar
If the books for the regular rules of the models is completely sold out and no more are going to be printed.......
The new GW "hidden message" on the site is that they should see pirate ships on the horizon.....
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Post by: Regnak
Is there any news on the 3rd Wave stuff? I read somewhere that Skaven would be next around Dec/Jan time but not heard much more than that.
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Post by: namiel
The soft cover books were confirmed by gw but as far as content and quantity, no one knows. It could be one big soft cover for the story or separate one or no story at all. It may just be soft covers for rules only. Maybe the rules will never be released.
If it were me I'd hope they would combine it all into 2 big books. One rules the other story
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Post by: OgreChubbs
I don't hope they keep it limited supply that way those of us who have them get an advantage
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Post by: StormKing
namiel wrote:The soft cover books were confirmed by gw but as far as content and quantity, no one knows. It could be one big soft cover for the story or separate one or no story at all. It may just be soft covers for rules only. Maybe the rules will never be released.
If it were me I'd hope they would combine it all into 2 big books. One rules the other story
That's what I was thinking too is one for the combined story. Not sure about combined rules tho just because I think they could make more money from selling the rules in separate books but soft cover with no back story...which seems like something games workshop would do because its all about those dollars!
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Well, seems like the Nagash book is returning in soft cover version relatively soon.
From the email I got from GW customer service.
The Nagash end times book will be available shortly in paperback format, and should be available to order from the 01/11/14.
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Post by: reds8n
Many thanks for that info
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Theory:
Given the timeframe between Nagash and Glottkin, I can see them both having been printed before Nagash released to much higher than expected demand. They do a second, quicker, paperback print run of Nagash to meet demand, meanwhile Glottkin sells out even faster due to having similar numbers printed as Nagash, but more people buying it sooner thanks to Nagash having sold out means it sells out even faster. They will likely put out a paperback print run of Glottkin soon as well, and increase the order for the next book (Khaine?), but then when there is enough copies of Khaine to meet demand and it doesn't sell out in a day or two, people will then announce that the fact Khaine (or whatever) didn't sell out in a day means people lost interest, and GW is going to fail shortly.
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Post by: namiel
MajorWesJanson wrote:Theory:
Given the timeframe between Nagash and Glottkin, I can see them both having been printed before Nagash released to much higher than expected demand. They do a second, quicker, paperback print run of Nagash to meet demand, meanwhile Glottkin sells out even faster due to having similar numbers printed as Nagash, but more people buying it sooner thanks to Nagash having sold out means it sells out even faster. They will likely put out a paperback print run of Glottkin soon as well, and increase the order for the next book (Khaine?), but then when there is enough copies of Khaine to meet demand and it doesn't sell out in a day or two, people will then announce that the fact Khaine (or whatever) didn't sell out in a day means people lost interest, and GW is going to fail shortly.
I'm willing to bet the entire series was finished before the release of nagash, minitures and all. I'm assuming all the hard backs were printed in th same numbers and the plan from the start was to put them in paperback if they sold well.
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Post by: Whumbachumba
namiel wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote:Theory:
Given the timeframe between Nagash and Glottkin, I can see them both having been printed before Nagash released to much higher than expected demand. They do a second, quicker, paperback print run of Nagash to meet demand, meanwhile Glottkin sells out even faster due to having similar numbers printed as Nagash, but more people buying it sooner thanks to Nagash having sold out means it sells out even faster. They will likely put out a paperback print run of Glottkin soon as well, and increase the order for the next book (Khaine?), but then when there is enough copies of Khaine to meet demand and it doesn't sell out in a day or two, people will then announce that the fact Khaine (or whatever) didn't sell out in a day means people lost interest, and GW is going to fail shortly.
I'm willing to bet the entire series was finished before the release of nagash, minitures and all. I'm assuming all the hard backs were printed in th same numbers and the plan from the start was to put them in paperback if they sold well.
Either of these may be true, but I do wish they would do another printing of the hard back editions. As someone who usually waits a few weeks to see people's reviews on new material, I missed the opportunity to get a copy of Nagash, and now Glotkin has already sold out before it's available. It's unfortunate that they weren't marked as Limited Edition: Hardback, as they would be great additions to the growing collection of books that we have. The paperback just wont feel right and will be counter to all the other codex/army book and supplemental releases that were in hardback only. Outside of the starter sets, I can't think of a book that has been released in paperback.
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Post by: kendoka
Spoilers from "The Fall of Altdorf"
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/Glottkin.html
some info about the book that you cannot buy -- except digitally
.... for now
The story of the End Times
Much of the book is dedicated to telling the story of the great Nurgle invasion of the Empire, led by the Brothers Glott. This is the largest incursion the Old World has ever witnessed, and arguably the most pivotal event in the history of the Empire.
No part of the Old World remains untouched as the forces of Chaos sweep across the lands, levelling cities and spreading their foul contagions. The Chaos forces boast infamous villains, not least of which are the Glottkin themselves, but there are also familiar plague-riddled faces such as Festus Leechlord and Ku'gath Plaguefather.
Against the tide of Chaos, the heroes of the Old World have assembled (those still alive, that is – the End Times have already reaped a bloody toll). As the minions of the Dark Gods close in on Altdorf, the mightiest city of the Old World, the Emperor Karl Franz himself leads the defence, alongside the King of Bretonnia and the knights of that noble realm.
This new background is supported by dozens of stunning new pieces of artwork. In the interactive edition for iPad, these illustrations can be viewed in their full pestilent glory.
Naturally, there are also loads of pictures of the beautifully painted armies of Citadel Miniatures. The setting for many of these scenes are the war-choked streets of cities in the Empire falling into ruin.
New Rules
Glottkin contains a wealth of new material for any Warhammer gamer. There are, of course, rules for the new Nurgle miniatures including the Glottkin, as well as updated rules for some other notable heroes such as the Nurgle champion Festus, and the Emperor Karl Franz himself.
Chaos players can take advantage of a new army list, Legions of Chaos, allowing you to combine the forces of the Chaos Warriors, Beastmen and Deamons. As if that wasn’t enough, there are also new rules to represent the power of Chaos infusing the world. One of several benefits this brings is that all Chaos sorcerers can now summon units of daemons! (Two can play at that game, Nagash.)
Finally, there are rules to fight games of brutal urban combat through the ruins of a city, where units will have to navigate the twisting streets before confronting their foe – perfect for re-fighting the desperate battles against the Nurgle invasion.
Narrative Scenarios
Each of the battles mentioned in the first part of the book are included as narrative scenarios, allowing you to re-enact the epic conflict of the End Times, from the battle of Marienburg to the climactic siege of Altdorf itself.
The hardback edition of Glottkin has sold out online, but you can pre-order the interactive edition now for iPad and Apple computer, and it will be ready to read at midnight this Friday.
click through for the art and pics, some of it is very nice.
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Post by: Sasori
 Whumbachumba wrote: namiel wrote: MajorWesJanson wrote:Theory:
Given the timeframe between Nagash and Glottkin, I can see them both having been printed before Nagash released to much higher than expected demand. They do a second, quicker, paperback print run of Nagash to meet demand, meanwhile Glottkin sells out even faster due to having similar numbers printed as Nagash, but more people buying it sooner thanks to Nagash having sold out means it sells out even faster. They will likely put out a paperback print run of Glottkin soon as well, and increase the order for the next book (Khaine?), but then when there is enough copies of Khaine to meet demand and it doesn't sell out in a day or two, people will then announce that the fact Khaine (or whatever) didn't sell out in a day means people lost interest, and GW is going to fail shortly.
I'm willing to bet the entire series was finished before the release of nagash, minitures and all. I'm assuming all the hard backs were printed in th same numbers and the plan from the start was to put them in paperback if they sold well.
Either of these may be true, but I do wish they would do another printing of the hard back editions. As someone who usually waits a few weeks to see people's reviews on new material, I missed the opportunity to get a copy of Nagash, and now Glotkin has already sold out before it's available. It's unfortunate that they weren't marked as Limited Edition: Hardback, as they would be great additions to the growing collection of books that we have. The paperback just wont feel right and will be counter to all the other codex/army book and supplemental releases that were in hardback only. Outside of the starter sets, I can't think of a book that has been released in paperback.
Check around local stores. My wife managed to find a copy of Nagash on Sunday for me, and secure a copy of Glottkin. There is still hope!
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Post by: Hulksmash
Yeah, I should be able to grab mine locally. There is still a Nagash or two set in my local stores that I've seen. At least there was on Sunday.
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Post by: StormKing
Was just at my local store today and they still have the Nagash set there. Was talking to the owner and he said he is getting lots of the Glotkins in as well that haven't been sold yet.
Apparently the softcover anthologies will cost $60 CAD so $50ish USD. Not sure if thats individual books tho. Not a fan of the softcovers though I would like to see them release another print run of the hardcovers. I play skaven and am jealous of everyones hardcover army books so I would imagine people who buy the softcover version will feel it is a downgrade.
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Times-Book-3/dp/1849709408/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414574572&sr=1-1&keywords=gav+thorpe+the+end+times
The End Times Book 3 Paperback – 26 Mar 2015
by Gav Thorpe (Author)
Now the hardback version of the End times II has just come out, and has a softback version due in feb.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Times-Book-2/dp/1849709394/ref=sr_1_12?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414574721&sr=1-12&keywords=chris+wraight
so it seems about a 3 month gap between the first release and the follow up late Nov/Dec would seem right for the first release of End Times III then yes ?
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Post by: Mymearan
Do we know if the softbacks will include both rules and fluff books?
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Post by: angelofvengeance
Ugh it's written by Gav Thorpe- one of the worst writers they could've chosen IMO.
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Post by: Albino Squirrel
I have a question for people that have read the novels that have accompanied the End Times rules/background books. If I am only interested in the background, should I just get the novels? Do they cover most of what is covered in the background book, or do they leave out a lot?
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Post by: thenoobbomb
Albino Squirrel wrote:I have a question for people that have read the novels that have accompanied the End Times rules/background books. If I am only interested in the background, should I just get the novels? Do they cover most of what is covered in the background book, or do they leave out a lot?
I've read the Nagash novel, but none of the End Times books. I think they leave out a bit (especially the first, from what I gather), but they give you a good impression of what's happened.
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Post by: StormKing
Nice to see the rules!
I wonder if they are going to repackage the Karl Franz model and put in the asended rules like they have done with the end times boxes?
Still waiting for the next book I want me some Skaven!! Good to see some upgrades in this list tho will definitely help out the beastmen players!
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Post by: BorderCountess
So, the Daemon Prince for Warriors of Chaos just got worse, because in a Legion he becomes Unstable. Epic Fail, guys.
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Post by: BaconSlayer
Manfred von Drakken wrote:So, the Daemon Prince for Warriors of Chaos just got worse, because in a Legion he becomes Unstable. Epic Fail, guys.
Epic reading fail, Legions don't have Instability.
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Post by: Bloodhorror
Any unit that had Daemonic Instability, gets Unbreakable AND Unstable.
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Post by: Mr Morden
thenoobbomb wrote:Albino Squirrel wrote:I have a question for people that have read the novels that have accompanied the End Times rules/background books. If I am only interested in the background, should I just get the novels? Do they cover most of what is covered in the background book, or do they leave out a lot?
I've read the Nagash novel, but none of the End Times books. I think they leave out a bit (especially the first, from what I gather), but they give you a good impression of what's happened.
The Nagash novel is a bit odd - I feel it starts halfway through a story - I do like Josh Reynolds as a writer though to that helps.
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Post by: BorderCountess
Actually, any unit that has the Demonic special rule gets Unbreakable and Unstable. As even the WoC Daemon Prince has a special rule called 'Daemonic', he now gets Unstable. UNless, of course, you use the Ascendant rules.
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