I wonder if the "new death guard" and "bigger marines" are starter set only miniatures, like most of the chaos marines from dark vengence, or the ork death koptas and warboss, or crashed aquila, or....
It could be just me, but I'm pretty sure the ultramarines on the landing pad are flying/hovering. They look like they might even have small flight stands!?!?!
Infantrymike123 wrote: It could be just me, but I'm pretty sure the ultramarines on the landing pad are flying/hovering. They look like they might even have small flight stands!?!?!
As an added bonus, it all but confirms Nurgle in AoS as well, so here's hoping I can flog my WM/H stuff in time
Er, what?
How does Death Guard confirm Nurgle in AoS? We didn't see a Great Unclean One or Beasts of Nurgle or anything that is "shared".
We saw 40k stuff.
I mean, it would be surprising to not see those but this is kind of grasping at straws right off the bat.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Typhus though.
So far we have:
Trust we'll be getting Typhus alongside Mortarion. Same with Lucious and Fulgrim. The only reason Angron's gonna be lonely is cause Khârn came out with
-Mortarian(the scythe appears a bit too big to be Typhus, unless he gets supersized--you can see a bit of base in the background to give a sense of scale)
-Plague Marines in Power Armour
-Plague Zombies
-Plague Terminators
That puts us, compared to the release for the Thousand Sons(Magnus, Rubricae, Exalted Sorcerers, Rubric Marines, Ahriman, Tzaangors) 2 release slots less.
I would expect to see a kind of "hero" boxed kit(and I actually think that a couple of the Plague Marines might be that; the guy with the butcher's apron on and the guy clutching the three shrunken heads on a chain have a kind of hero vibe to them...) where instead of the Disc mounted character there's a Terminator one and Typhus to round things out, release-wise.
Trust we'll be getting Typhus alongside Mortarion, same with Lucius and Fulgrim the only reason Angron's gonna be lonely is cause Khârn came out with Traitor's Hate. All Primarchs and their lutents not confirmed dead in the current cannon time line are getting a model. To be frank we could see some supposedly dead ones too. The Inquisition and Assasinorum never did get a kill confirmed on Curze. I think Rogal Dorn's remains where intured in a dreadnought. A primarch dreadnaught would be freak'n hilarious.
Might as well cross-post this here (credit goes to Omega-soul in the 8th Ed. thread). What is undoubtedly new Death Guard stuff promo'd in the 8th Ed. release teaser stuff:
DG vs. UM starter pack? That is something I can handle very well
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Looks like it to me, shame that image isn't higher res as i'd love to get a better look at this stuff. Hopefully we get a better reveal for the DG in the coming weeks. If this pans out well I might make an actual attempt to get into 40k and learn to play it. After all these years i've always wanted to collect plastic 40k nurgle stuff. Their fantasy counterpart got a lot of love but the DG never did.
Is anyone else "assuming" as I am that the next wave of books (likely after 8th drops) will be the next series of the actual 'Storm' itself and will likely feature Triumvirate style boxes for baddies.
I've always assumed this was the route they'd go. With the new map showing a huge crazy rift (I'm guessing that's a bit of a spoiler for the next series of campaign/storyline books) I'd imagine that's the actual storm itself which was previously gathering.
Yeah, I believe I have been working under the same assumption - specifically that there will be a triumvirate box with a new Abaddon. Maybe there will also be a new Typhus in the same box? Let's hope so!
It would make sense if they were - no real point in keeping daemons out of both games (if you can sell to both players). Are blight drones just plaguebearers flying on stuff?
Loopstah wrote: I'm wondering if the big blob at the back near the guys arm is some sort of plastic plague hulk seeing as FW don't have them up anymore.
I don't see anything big enough to be a cute Plague Hulk?
It looks like it, and the contents list I saw has two drones in the starter, but I look at that picture and people's CSI levels of enhance and I'm not sure.
Though apparently some of the stuff in the Death Guard video is the stuff from the starter set. In less than a month we'll all know for sure as they will be going through the new starter and edition with the managers at the big meeting in Nottingham on the 22nd of May.
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Loopstah wrote: I'm wondering if the big blob at the back near the guys arm is some sort of plastic plague hulk seeing as FW don't have them up anymore.
Oh it's so good to see that pic again. Did they remove this and the painting pic from the site yeah? Went into my GW last week to pick up the KOBT and one of the fellas was surprised when I said you could see the new models in the pics but we couldn't find them when we looked.
It looks a bit too small to be Mortarion. Then again I am assuming since he's a Daemon Primarch then his size will be similar to Magnus?
Then again, again.....I am guessing if these are now true-scale marines then does this mean all future Chaos Marines will too be true-scale? So perhaps Mortarion will only look a bit bigger like the dude in the pic and he does seem to have fly wings.
I assumed it was a new Plague Sorcerer as it kinda looks like a staff and Mortarion going by the leaked photo should have his scythe pointing downwards rather than pointing in front.
Check the size of those cultists at the bottom though, the size difference between them and the marines on the right is already noticeable.
I think that weapon looks comically stupid unless it's intentionally used for removing plumbing piping which has gone bad?
That being said the video cements the idea for me that Death Guard will be the starter box foe of the (yawn) Ultramarines. I think that's a pretty safe bet. If not in the starter box (if there even IS a starter box) it'll be "the" bad guy for the first month or two at least.
EDIT: With no templates, no special dice, no big rulebook etc...you don't need so much of a starter box as you do a small box w/ two opposing forces. I wonder what the status of the "starter box" will actually be for 8th. Do they even bother with one? Or give customers the rules for free and point out two opposing "Start Collecting" boxes?
Elbows wrote: I think that weapon looks comically stupid unless it's intentionally used for removing plumbing piping which has gone bad?
It's 40k, chainswords and magic space knights and everything else about the setting are comically stupid. Might as well have a buzzsaw weapon that easily catches and severs arms. It fits in 40k's "Coolest Saturday Morning Cartoon EVER" aesthetic. I'm already buying the new DG, this just makes me a little more excited.
Elbows wrote: I think that weapon looks comically stupid unless it's intentionally used for removing plumbing piping which has gone bad?
That being said the video cements the idea for me that Death Guard will be the starter box foe of the (yawn) Ultramarines. I think that's a pretty safe bet. If not in the starter box (if there even IS a starter box) it'll be "the" bad guy for the first month or two at least.
EDIT: With no templates, no special dice, no big rulebook etc...you don't need so much of a starter box as you do a small box w/ two opposing forces. I wonder what the status of the "starter box" will actually be for 8th. Do they even bother with one? Or give customers the rules for free and point out two opposing "Start Collecting" boxes?
Have you seen the 30k Death Guard? They have scythes that would not work as scythes. They're pretty much fancy axes.
aracersss wrote: looking forward to the putrid release later next month ... shame duardin are dragged for another week after this sat
Death Guard will be in the starter, so the releases in May will be 1 week of Sky Pirate dwarves, 1 week of Sector Mechanicus terrain (including a bundle of everything in Shadow War) and two weeks of something else.
I wouldn't bet against some filler releases, or even a week of Blood Bowl. 8th ed is in June and already people are getting incredibly excited
pizzaguardian wrote: I think those loyalists are Crimson Fists, so i am thinking a crimson fist vs death guard starter?
Seems alright to me.
There's a lot pointing to the potential of them being Ultramarines, the nu-Marines for one and some recent fluff for another. I'd love it if they were CFists though!
That fella who converted a Lord of Skulls into a Nurgle one and gave it a giant axe with the 3 buzz-saws in it. BAD.ASS!
And that wonderful model was made by Mörback / Maxime Pastourel, who is also a Miniature Designer/Sculptor at Games Workshop. A lot of the new death guard stuff is looking very reminiscent of his amazing Plaguebones army and I would not be surprised is not a coincidence!
unmercifulconker wrote: And that wonderful model was made by Mörback / Maxime Pastourel, who is also a Miniature Designer/Sculptor at Games Workshop. A lot of the new death guard stuff is looking very reminiscent of his amazing Plaguebones army and I would not be surprised is not a coincidence!
That fella who converted a Lord of Skulls into a Nurgle one and gave it a giant axe with the 3 buzz-saws in it. BAD.ASS!
And that wonderful model was made by Mörback / Maxime Pastourel, who is also a Miniature Designer/Sculptor at Games Workshop. A lot of the new death guard stuff is looking very reminiscent of his amazing Plaguebones army and I would not be surprised is not a coincidence!
Am I the only person who hates the axes with the weird spinning spikes/saws in the middle?
I love the look of Nurgle - I think it will be a great starter box (I hope Typhus gets the starter treatment like Ahrimahn) - but that style axe just bothers me for some reason. I don't think I used it for any orks. Not even one of the 30+ nobs I have made.
stormboy wrote: Am I the only person who hates the axes with the weird spinning spikes/saws in the middle?
I love the look of Nurgle - I think it will be a great starter box (I hope Typhus gets the starter treatment like Ahrimahn) - but that style axe just bothers me for some reason. I don't think I used it for any orks. Not even one of the 30+ nobs I have made.
Nope. To me Death Guard were always a simple tool, no grinding gears, just simple walk over and punch/stab/infect the enemy and continue on. Moving parts are just one more thing to break down.
They were just a daemon engine introduced in Vraks.
Those Heresy Era Mechanicum Drones look very similar so presumably they are based on that.
No "presumably" about it.
When they first showcased the Vultarax, they literally called it the machine that the Blight Drones were based off of.
A lot of the -"rax" stuff(Ursurax, Scyllax, Vorax, Thallax) seem to be particularly vicious constructs that were being phased out at the time of the Heresy and showed up in traitor Mechanicum forces but not Loyalist stuff.
Well, FW was said to be launching rules for their models along with the launch of the game - so I doubt we're getting new fancy models for those blight drone things.
I also really don't think the "loyalist" side of the picture is Crimson Fists...at all. They're much darker blue. Yet it also doesn't look anything like an Ultramarine unless the artist just fudged it up a bit.
That fella who converted a Lord of Skulls into a Nurgle one and gave it a giant axe with the 3 buzz-saws in it. BAD.ASS!
And that wonderful model was made by Mörback / Maxime Pastourel, who is also a Miniature Designer/Sculptor at Games Workshop. A lot of the new death guard stuff is looking very reminiscent of his amazing Plaguebones army and I would not be surprised is not a coincidence!
And his 4 Generals (or whatever non-German WD calls it) teased we'd soon see his first sculpts for GW.
He also has a kickass Skaven army, doesn't he? And Skyre is supposed to come out this year. Having him on armies he did great conversions for seems like a good thing.
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I don't like the buzzsaw axe, either, but I have enough copies of Gutrot's axe and all sort of Khorne ones, thankfully. It works on the Centaurion, but not on the termi.
That fella who converted a Lord of Skulls into a Nurgle one and gave it a giant axe with the 3 buzz-saws in it. BAD.ASS!
And that wonderful model was made by Mörback / Maxime Pastourel, who is also a Miniature Designer/Sculptor at Games Workshop. A lot of the new death guard stuff is looking very reminiscent of his amazing Plaguebones army and I would not be surprised is not a coincidence!
They haven't kept anything a secret, they have released trailers for the release, they have a faction mention on the warhammer40000.com website, and Death Guard is half of the logo for 8th edition. It is just this White Dwarf has nothing to do with 8th.
8th could still be late May. White dwarf only covers the first half of the month these days. We have the big ship and scenery on 29th, then the left over Kharadron stuff on the 6th, so the 13th and 20th preorders are still a mystery.
A brief summary of possible contents for the starter set was
10-20 cultists,
5-10 plague marines
5 cult terminators
1 blight drone.
If thats even close, i'll be grabbing a couple of sets
If plastic Blight Drones become a thing I may well go nuts buying them. Still gonna play 7th a bit for Apoc games and the like so some non FW Blight Drones would be pretty damn sweet.
The inclusion of blight drones in the video might possibly indicate a new plastic kit. On the other hand it might be the beginning of Forge World models actually being included in GW codices. Either would be very welcome.
Neronoxx wrote: A brief summary of possible contents for the starter set was
10-20 cultists,
5-10 plague marines
5 cult terminators
1 blight drone.
If thats even close, i'll be grabbing a couple of sets
Drooooool
Who is the ource on that? The bigger number for each type woud be better value, but with people probably going nuts for nuMarines one might get very lucky on ebay and bits sites for more Death Guard. I honestly never expected GW to give them such a push as we are speulating on.
Edit: And while nobody cares, I'm almost done doing a Plague Marine-spider mutant hanging from a tiny bimp armed with a WW1 style LMG. Once my Arachnarok bits arrive I'll kitbash a bigger Spiederblimp. Those dwarfs really stoked my imagination.
Rippy wrote: Please change your profile pic back to that 360 degree around the imperial guard, it was much better
I'd love to, but I can't. It's suddenly too big to be used as an avatar.
As in MB or physical size? I can possibly edit for you if you would like?
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MonkeyBallistic wrote: The inclusion of blight drones in the video might possibly indicate a new plastic kit. On the other hand it might be the beginning of Forge World models actually being included in GW codices. Either would be very welcome.
I just can't see it happening, as much as I really want it to
Well the silhouette of the blight drone in this new cartoony vid is not the same as the FW Blight drone. Though very similar it looks like the engine fans are in a different spot.
DarkStarSabre wrote: If plastic Blight Drones become a thing I may well go nuts buying them. Still gonna play 7th a bit for Apoc games and the like so some non FW Blight Drones would be pretty damn sweet.
The blight drones are way cooler than those flying bugs with plaguebearers riding on top...those seem a bit comical or dumb. I think the FW blight drones will stay, and these new ones will be armed differently and be an alternative and they might even be smaller.
Remember when they unveiled the thousand sons in a video similar to what was just released, I think everything in that video turned out to be a model so it definitely looks like some new form of a nurgle flying unit is in no matter what.
Neronoxx wrote: A brief summary of possible contents for the starter set was
10-20 cultists,
5-10 plague marines
5 cult terminators
1 blight drone.
If thats even close, i'll be grabbing a couple of sets
Neronoxx wrote: A brief summary of possible contents for the starter set was
10-20 cultists,
5-10 plague marines
5 cult terminators
1 blight drone.
If thats even close, i'll be grabbing a couple of sets
That sounds like WAY to much for half a starter.
At a guess I would say:
10 Cultists
5 Plague Marines
Plague Drone
and I have a feeling that the terminators are characters.
The other possibility is that you get more Death Guard than marines, which would be the opposite to Dark Vengeance.
I mean, I guess you could argue that the DA Company Master and Libarian in DV could be aaaanybody but they are in effect single-use unnamed characters.
Weren't they both new characters created for the DV set? They could be any old DA Librarian or Chapter master/ Chaplin.
So far as I know only one set has come with a known fluff / named character and that was the Deathwatch vs Eldar box that came with Eldrad.
I guess the starterset DG and their single kits will be different models. The latter should be multipart with options. I wasnt sure after BaC and BoP that starter sets would continue to contain monopose models but those teaser pics from the 40k website make these Numarines look to be monopose so I guess the starterset content with them and the DG will be monopose too.
aracersss wrote: so it's pretty much confirmed the content shown previously is the starter set side for DG ... that's a bummer
... the bright side is plastic blight drones
... anyways looks like no DG 'til june/july for the complete release
I agree on upside. The ability to mix in daemons without the need to ally is awesome. Blight Drones being available means I don't necessarily have to rely so heavily on my Maulerfiends like I have always had to do.
Ghaz wrote: So that would make this Nurgle Daemonkin then
No, it would make the "Death Guard" faction, where you can take daemons and marines together. The Death Guard currently are an amalgamation of deamons and marines in the fluff, so it makes sense.
Ghaz wrote: So that would make this Nurgle Daemonkin then
No, it would make the "Death Guard" faction, where you can take daemons and marines together. The Death Guard currently are am amalgamation of deamons and marines in the fluff, so it makes sense.
Really? Because I read pretty much every piece of Death Guard background I can get and I've never seen anything stating that they're "currently an algamation of Daemons and Marines", at least not any more so than any other Traitor Legion.
I think it's in the sense that Chaos Legions use Daemons in their armies, and that the split created back with the 'Chaos' Codex in 4th Ed was artificial, borne of corporate meddling more than any in-universe reasoning.
Ghaz wrote: So that would make this Nurgle Daemonkin then
No, it would make the "Death Guard" faction, where you can take daemons and marines together. The Death Guard currently are am amalgamation of deamons and marines in the fluff, so it makes sense.
Really? Because I read pretty much every piece of Death Guard background I can get and I've never seen anything stating that they're "currently an algamation of Daemons and Marines", at least not any more so than any other Traitor Legion.
[citation needed]
Okay the Death Guard themselves are marines, but they are constantly accompanied by demons, so it would make sense for them to have them in army lists.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And for the record, this is about death guard, this thread, so that is why I am talking about them. I am not saying other legions and warbands shouldn't be able too.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I think it's in the sense that Chaos Legions use Daemons in their armies, and that the split created back with the 'Chaos' Codex in 4th Ed was artificial, borne of corporate meddling more than any in-universe reasoning.
Thanks H.B.M.C. that is exactly what I mean
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Death Guard are not just rotten CSM, thanks to the warp plague turning them into slime dudes in an instant. So a pedant could argue that they indeed are an amalgation of SM and Nurgle demon (virus)
I like the slowly turning Marines more, though. I will do some defectors from other bands or the Imperium that rotted on their own merrit and some less-rotten DG members. If a multi-part kit does get released (getting stressed about the whole starter thing, it could mean no kits or after MONTHS of waiting) I hope it builds both mutated monsters and a bit downtrotten Marines with Pickelhaube, plague knives and bayonets. Blightkings sorta do just that with armoured and openly festering upper bodies to chose.
If the drone is indeed in the starter and gets a kit unlike Deffkoptas, that would be our "three man sorcercerer" kit, yes? So beasts would probably be with a hypothetical demons release. What else does 40k Nurgle need in your guys opinion? I'd say Vile Savants! The GSC are halfway there with their gear looking a bit like space suits. Maybe Slime Hounds. Fantasy can have Pestigors.
Call me conservative but I think they need to get out beasts of Nurgle, Epidemius and a Great Unclean One/ Kugath in plastic first . I'd assume updated Beasts of Nurgle could include an additional beast or different kinds of them at least, possibly even riders like in early editions (though that would make them quite similar to Drones and toads). We've seen models that could Zombies and/or Cultists so far, so that's already settled.
Some artillery would be nice I guess, as daemons only have the grinder and CSM only have forgeworld for that.
There was also fluff about suicide-bomber Nurgle-Orks. Now that could make for some crazy models .
Binabik15 wrote: Death Guard are not just rotten CSM, thanks to the warp plague turning them into slime dudes in an instant. So a pedant could argue that they indeed are an amalgation of SM and Nurgle demon (virus)
I like the slowly turning Marines more, though. I will do some defectors from other bands or the Imperium that rotted on their own merrit and some less-rotten DG members. If a multi-part kit does get released (getting stressed about the whole starter thing, it could mean no kits or after MONTHS of waiting) I hope it builds both mutated monsters and a bit downtrotten Marines with Pickelhaube, plague knives and bayonets. Blightkings sorta do just that with armoured and openly festering upper bodies to chose.
If the drone is indeed in the starter and gets a kit unlike Deffkoptas, that would be our "three man sorcercerer" kit, yes? So beasts would probably be with a hypothetical demons release. What else does 40k Nurgle need in your guys opinion? I'd say Vile Savants! The GSC are halfway there with their gear looking a bit like space suits. Maybe Slime Hounds. Fantasy can have Pestigors.
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Aside from the horns bursting out of the armour that guy looks pretty much like what you wish for, so I think with some minor work you should be able to build 'just a little bloated and rusted marines'
Not sure if anyone has already asked about this but what weapon do you think this termi is carrying?
It doesn't really look like any weapon I have seen before on a cataphractii or normal terminator however it does remind me of something, I just can't think of what that something is. Are there any guesses as to what it might be, whether it is something that already exists in game or if it is something new?
I can see DG getting a three-man squad of specialist terminators (sold in packs of three, expandable) - Terminators have always been a DG thing and we have two sets of specialist 30K terminators that could make the transition to 40K
If this same terminator set is included in the starter then it would fulfil the description of having "A few terminators" without having to include a 5-man set
mrhappyface wrote: Not sure if anyone has already asked about this but what weapon do you think this termi is carrying?
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It doesn't really look like any weapon I have seen before on a cataphractii or normal terminator however it does remind me of something, I just can't think of what that something is. Are there any guesses as to what it might be, whether it is something that already exists in game or if it is something new?
I know it might be a bit of a long shot, but I just hope that alongside this release we finally get a plastic Palanquin model.
I don't care who is sitting on it - whether it be a Sorcerer, Lord or something else entirely - but it'd be nice to have one that isn't resin & being ridden by Epidemius.
Binabik15 wrote: Death Guard are not just rotten CSM, thanks to the warp plague turning them into slime dudes in an instant. So a pedant could argue that they indeed are an amalgation of SM and Nurgle demon (virus)
I like the slowly turning Marines more, though. I will do some defectors from other bands or the Imperium that rotted on their own merrit and some less-rotten DG members. If a multi-part kit does get released (getting stressed about the whole starter thing, it could mean no kits or after MONTHS of waiting) I hope it builds both mutated monsters and a bit downtrotten Marines with Pickelhaube, plague knives and bayonets. Blightkings sorta do just that with armoured and openly festering upper bodies to chose.
If the drone is indeed in the starter and gets a kit unlike Deffkoptas, that would be our "three man sorcercerer" kit, yes? So beasts would probably be with a hypothetical demons release. What else does 40k Nurgle need in your guys opinion? I'd say Vile Savants! The GSC are halfway there with their gear looking a bit like space suits. Maybe Slime Hounds. Fantasy can have Pestigors.
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Aside from the horns bursting out of the armour that guy looks pretty much like what you wish for, so I think with some minor work you should be able to build 'just a little bloated and rusted marines'
Yeah, and the background guy looks even better from the little blurry shape one can see. I like the super-disfigured bloat boys, too, it's just that the path to this final form should be slow, agonising and filled with false hope. Like Fantasy Nurgle warriors, not Blight Kings where it is "wake up after fly crawls into you and see a 9 foot heap of puss and tentacles in the mirror" or the Destroyer hive showing up and turning the whole legion into blobs real quick.
PS: I see that nobody else wants undead evil astronaut MD scientist demons. Too bad
PPS: For some reason the Termi makes me think autocannon or flamer with gargoyle mouth, but we do have that Plague Marine with the strange (heavy?) weapon in one piece of art, so maybe new stuff? Plague thrower? Fumespewer? Old-school grav-gun?
The terminator will most likely be carrying some new weapon - that's the MO with new models these days, everything gets at least one new thing. Probably some kind of chem flamer would be my guess.
Nicorex wrote: So far as I know only one set has come with a known fluff / named character and that was the Deathwatch vs Eldar box that came with Eldrad.
Technically that set comes with two - Captain Artemis having been around in Inquisitor previously.
Guy on the left is ace, the one on the right needs a different head. Easy enough. The backpack is my favourite part, I don't like regular Mk3 backpacks.
Binabik15 wrote: Guy on the left is ace, the one on the right needs a different head. Easy enough. The backpack is my favourite part, I don't like regular Mk3 backpacks.
The wait is killing me.
Good summary IMO, I kind of like the more mutated head. Though I have 21 PMs already with FW kit..
I am just relieved that the aesthetic is almost the same as the FW marines, so they should slot in easily to my current Death Guard, just with some being more mutated.
Another art bit in that video has them using the RT style swollen plasma gun aesthetic. Cool to see. Hope some other old style weapon designs get repurposed as chaos, like the shoulder mounted heavy bolters.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Another art bit in that video has them using the RT style swollen plasma gun aesthetic. Cool to see. Hope some other old style weapon designs get repurposed as chaos, like the shoulder mounted heavy bolters.
I remember the 2nd ed. Plague marines had alot of wood paneling on their guns (even the plasma gun!). I always thought that was funny.
The only nurgle RT figure I remember with a plasma weapon was that plaguebearer guy who is one of palanquin riders.
I'd love to see that RT aesthetic of nurglings popping through armor, vehicles, and weapons. It always gave the nurgle stuff a 'fun but falling apart' element, which contrasted well with the slaanesh disgusting/sexy, Khorne spikey/angry, Tzeentch distorted/artistic looks.
Hmm...I was kinda expecting something more deep-voiced and slow/soothing. Which is how I always kinda envision papa Nurgle's voice and I guess by relation all his subordinates, or at least his marines. Maybe that was some oddball daemon talking... but sounded more Tzeentchish to me.
load of those buzz-saw executioner axes....
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