Nostromodamus wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The lizardmen look great, but what's up with the regular guy on the white base? Why is he a person instead of a lizardman?

Lizardmen are people too!

Maybe he identifies as a lizard-person.

Or maybe he's a Man-Lizard, and not a Lizard-Man?

Barzam wrote:Lizardmen, eh? I could get behind that. I wonder if there's plans for other beastman factions?

In the story it is based on, I don't think there are any others?

The Shaman isn't no stinking pink skinned human. For shame!



Behold his glorious scales and tail!



NO HUMMIES ALLOWED!

Barzam wrote:Lizardmen, eh? I could get behind that. I wonder if there's plans for other beastman factions?

In the story it is based on, I don't think there are any others?

Well, there's already a minotaur, I don't see why Adrian Smith couldn't have come up with more.

So...question answered?

It's not like the Minotaur was featured in the story either though, at least not that I can remember.

There were plenty of abhuman types running around all over the place though.

I think the Lizardmen are the only ones to feature as a cohesive force though, right?

Thanks for the detailed pictures. Not a regular person, but not quite a lizardman, either. Maybe he's a hybrid?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
SHAKTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR









So yeah, we all know what I'm spending money on.



4 armed giant lizard people! This highlord is certaingly going to be highlording, even if the tribe is missing their named characters...

So you have a base pledge, then? Mind if I join in for $25 plus some of the shipping cost for some of those lizard men?


They are the first must-buy of the campaign.

I think it sucks that everything really cool like the spore-like clan and Vore Nash and optional buys.

I also don't understand why they are puttting so many different clans in there. I mean even witht he multiplayer rules only 4 people will be able to play simultaniously.

I am 95% sure I won't back this. Combine all the optional buys with the core box and it sums up to more than 200$ already. Too much for my taste.

JazVM wrote:
I think it sucks that everything really cool like the spore-like clan and Vore Nash and optional buys.

I also don't understand why they are puttting so many different clans in there. I mean even witht he multiplayer rules only 4 people will be able to play simultaniously.

I am 95% sure I won't back this. Combine all the optional buys with the core box and it sums up to more than 200$ already. Too much for my taste.

The cool things are add ons because backers will pay extra for them.

The multiple Clans are there for choice.

In most CMON campaigns add ons also seem to alter gameplay or play quite differently than what's included in the base game as well.

For example Rum & Bones has crews using multiple ships, Arcadia Quest has the grave mechanics introduced in the expansion, Zombicide expansions usually have new enemies or mechanics.

It's not that surprising. The lizards having their hiding and bait abilities, the fungus guys being super resilient... the first expansion tribe even has their poison mechanics.

CMoN obviously wants to extract more money from your wallet - as a business, that's not unreasonable.

If you don't think it's worth it, don't back.

At least these expansions seem worth the price,

unlike some of the stuff in their other projects (Elemental in massive darkness i'm looking at you!)


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Big stuff is big.

Yet another add on!




All 4 are mercenaries, and they all end up replacing your prince if you can acquire them. And like I said, they're big.



So we've got the mother, her champion, Flaya on the horse, and the twins on an auroch that takes up 6 spaces.

Coolest thing is they really mess with the rules as well. Mother can gain extra activations and rerolls, her champion can make a mess of a rival prince's rolls, Flaya can cover the bulk of the board on her horse, and the twins can carry other mercs and gore bystanders as he stampedes all over the board.

Also started pushing towards our next goal- a new merc.



And he's a pretty hefty boy...

All those big characters and none of them sculpted by JAG.

These are totally pink Orkzes!

Is there an in story justification for why some people get so big in the HATE setting?

eating lots of meat obviously!

...degenerate human meat that is.

 Alpharius wrote:
Is there an in story justification for why some people get so big in the HATE setting?

Like Clifford, it was the love of a child.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is there an in story justification for why some people get so big in the HATE setting?

Like Clifford, it was the love of a child.

LMAO !!!!
Awesome !!!

Base game really doesn´t seem worth it, but expansions are tempting. I guess it should be possible to get most of the 120 base investment back from selling on eBay though...

I caved this afternoon, after I finally looked at the KS. I had been avoiding it because:
a) I have too many miniature-heavy board game kickstarters that I never play and won't ever paint.
b) I have too many kickstarted games I never play.
c) I have too many minis I won't ever paint.
d) I assumed you'd have to be a band of lame ass good barbarians crawling through hordes of cooler monstrous barbarians.

SO technically only d) was proven wrong, but holy hell, there's some brutal AF stuff going on in this game. This is Adrian Smith unleashed and I love it all. Plan is to do core + reptile clan + red dice. Mother Prophecy is tempting as well, but I tend to shy away from expansions that make a game play too differently, in preference of just getting more factions to maximize player choice.

But yea, oh my sweet savage feth

- Salvage

I really want several of the add-ons, but I'm really lukewarm on the core box. I just don't know what I would do with most of the miniatures included? Play "Apocalypse Dentist" or "Edgelord: King of the corpse pile"???

I actually dropped my pledge. Lots of cool minis, but limited budget and a $200+ expenditure to get what I want just rules it out. Well, more money for the next zombicide/massive darkness.

Pretty sure this campaign ends with one core pledger and a thousand piggybackers.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Pretty sure this campaign ends with one core pledger and a thousand piggybackers.

LOL. That's because all of the pink Orks look the same. It's not like "this is the axe gang, and this is the hammer gang." If you were to toss them into a pile, I would defy anyone to sort them back into their respective tribes. Whereas it would be trival to re-sort Necromunda gangers or even the Others' monsters. That's bad visual differentiation, IMO.

OTOH, the lizardmen are distinctive, so they're OK.

For how the game looks, one suspects you could draft a couple "sets" of pink Orks and it'd all look just fine together.

Time for another add on-



At this point if you're getting the 3d huts and trees, might as well go all in with the 3d board.

This is reminding me of a Heroscape board a bit, the way they've got the spaces pretty well defined on the pieces (which is probably a good thing, and hopefully the trees sit well on them).

We've also started another tribe, this one is in the core set at least.







New tribe is interesting in that so far at least, they're all female, and possibly have the Satyrs hanging out with them. They also have multiple shamans, which means lots of magic shenanigans. Their cards allow them to control opponents as well, which I'm sure other players will appreciate.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Pretty sure this campaign ends with one core pledger and a thousand piggybackers.

LOL. That's because all of the pink Orks look the same. It's not like "this is the axe gang, and this is the hammer gang." If you were to toss them into a pile, I would defy anyone to sort them back into their respective tribes. Whereas it would be trival to re-sort Necromunda gangers or even the Others' monsters. That's bad visual differentiation, IMO.

OTOH, the lizardmen are distinctive, so they're OK.

For how the game looks, one suspects you could draft a couple "sets" of pink Orks and it'd all look just fine together.

Plonked my buck down for the PM. I'm more okay with them being less visually differentiated, but that's because I'm literally looking at this as a bunch of chaos marauders, some scenery, and some tiles I might use for role-playing or whatever. The game itself doesn't look interesting enough in any way to make it worth playing over other my many other choices in my limited gaming time.

The tribe of BUL'GAR... whose mortal enemies are the WHEATBE'RRY and the GROATS.

Anyway, I really hope CMON does a terrain and playmat KS. Partially thanks to CMON, I have plenty of miniatures to paint, but sure could use a place for them to fight on!

The leader of my BUL'GAR tribe will be called ....RUSEV!

And EVERY day shall be known as RUSEV DAY!

 Azazelx wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Pretty sure this campaign ends with one core pledger and a thousand piggybackers.

LOL. That's because all of the pink Orks look the same. It's not like "this is the axe gang, and this is the hammer gang." If you were to toss them into a pile, I would defy anyone to sort them back into their respective tribes. Whereas it would be trival to re-sort Necromunda gangers or even the Others' monsters. That's bad visual differentiation, IMO.

OTOH, the lizardmen are distinctive, so they're OK.

For how the game looks, one suspects you could draft a couple "sets" of pink Orks and it'd all look just fine together.

Plonked my buck down for the PM. I'm more okay with them being less visually differentiated, but that's because I'm literally looking at this as a bunch of chaos marauders, some scenery, and some tiles I might use for role-playing or whatever. The game itself doesn't look interesting enough in any way to make it worth playing over other my many other choices in my limited gaming time.

Same, and for the same reasons. I'm hoping that by the time the PM rolls around, the ebay pricing for Rising Sun will have stabilised(especially for single models), that way I'll be able to get a rough idea how much of the hundred quid I'll be able to claw back flogging duplicates and most of the Princes - whether I go for it in the end will depend on that more than anything else, since I like a lot of the models but not quite enough to make the price worth it for "boardgame plastic" as it stands.

more goals







and just over 2 days to go, wonder how big the 48 hr bounce will be on this one especially as it seems to have already started at the 72 hour mark

We need to see this chart too:



So yeah, it'll break a million and a half!

Goatboy shaman prince incoming.





plus an add on box of extra terrain to run a 3rd board's worth of battles.

Pretty nice - and look, more beastmen!

I'm the target audience for this game but am drowning in unpainted miniatures and unplayed Kickstarter games. I see that they made all the add-ons the actual content that is must-have/cool, etc. which makes sense...because who's gonna buy all the samey-barbarians as add-ons when you already have the cool lizard guys, fungus guys, and stuff in the main box?

Amirite?

I have some money set aside for Necromunda Gang War 2, the Orlocks and accessories, and the new tiles.... and possibly Malign Portents...but am hovering over the 'pledge' button on this because, I dunno, reasons? FOMO I guess?

For those of you pledging, sell me on this KS in one paragraph or less! (or talk me out of it)

 Fango wrote:
I'm the target audience for this game but am drowning in unpainted miniatures and unplayed Kickstarter games. I see that they made all the add-ons the actual content that is must-have/cool, etc. which makes sense...because who's gonna buy all the samey-barbarians as add-ons when you already have the cool lizard guys, fungus guys, and stuff in the main box?

Amirite?

I have some money set aside for Necromunda Gang War 2, the Orlocks and accessories, and the new tiles.... and possibly Malign Portents...but am hovering over the 'pledge' button on this because, I dunno, reasons? FOMO I guess?

For those of you pledging, sell me on this KS in one paragraph or less! (or talk me out of it)

I’m out because $125 for base pledge, $206(I think) for all add ons, my budget is tight and I have that mountain of figs like you. I like his art, but the fact I have to poop all the funds down in Kickstarter and not later at the FLGS or through a discounted means bothers me and I don’t want to reward them for that behavior.

With all the stuff I have unpainted and/or still on the way, I can't afford to HATE right now.

Yeah, I'm going to show some restraint here and pass...there is some nice stuff here...I'm just drowning in minis and games I haven't finished and don't have enough time to paint or play everything Ive already got...

The overall game doesn't appeal to me, but I'm hoping that there is a kindhearted UK based soul out there who will let me piggyback on their pledge!

Anybody, please...

If there is any interest I'd be willing to split a core box a couple different ways so a group of us can have access to the add ons. I would prefer to just piggy back on someone else's pledge, but there seems to be enough of us that just want add-ons that we might be able to split a core box 3-4 ways. So basically you would pay $30-35 and get at least one of the base tribes +some extras + access to add-ons. PM me if you are interested. I'm located in northern California if anybody wants to arrange local pickup (north of the Bay)

It is kind of crazy what I will do for some plastic barbarian huts...

I'm in SoCal and I don't mind taking some piggybacks, but you guys are going to have to chip in for shipping too.

If you want to do a local pickup at a place like Brookhurst that's fine by me.

Also this new merc guy-

They didn't finish sculpting his right foot!

I'd be happy to chip in for shipping. Want me to PayPal the funds now?

Also, did you get my text about the Bring n Buy? Hope I didn't misinterpret your text and make an ass of myself.

Saw your message Mr. Inquisitor. The younger Highlords are notorious for snatching my phone and not mentioning any messages going through.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do the Bring n' Buy myself- nobody to help man the table while I spend a ton of money.

In other news, the big meaty meat guy got unlocked, and this dude finally showed up-



PLUS- the best unkept secret tribe showed up as a bonus unlock for pledges from retailers and Chinese backers.



This effectively DOUBLES the entire base pledge- you get 2x the boards, tokens, tribes, and mercs, effectively being able to run two completely parallel games at the same time. Not bad.

Still want the exiled prince on a dino, but I'm pretty happy with the overall contents (and there's still a bit of time if they want to unlock more).

Cool, I'll probably go in when the PM comes up then, a quid per-mini after shipping is reasonable.

Not so sure about the optionals. I hope they unlock the worm dude though, I can definitely put him to use in Mordheim.

Well I broke down and popped in $1. Hopefully I can scratch up enough for a basic pledge. If we hit $1,450,000 then another prince sized guy shows up. That’ll be 103 figs 17 of them are larger sized. I’ll look again at the extras later. Hopefully they don’t hit with massive darkness II or another zombicide (any version) soon .

Worm is in, and now we desperately reach for a much requested figure...by myself.





...I swear there had been a size comparison with him as well, but it seems to have disappeared. Odd.

If previous campaigns are anything to go by, he'll end up in the box as well. He's got some crazy rules- he automatically starts defense rolls with 2 saves, and begins with 2 upgrades already attached to him to represent his grizzled and grim status as a survivor.

That last dude, the beastmen with the two swords. WOW.

He looks very Hordes-y.

If anyone in the UK wants to sell me their Two Sword Dude, please PM me!

I think they missed out with no neoprene mat and no big extras box.

An extras box may not be neccesary- if this is all exclusive anyways, we may see things all packaged together.

I doubt even CMON knows how they'll box it up yet. Personally, I'd love all the tribes to have individual boxes, have the board and components separate.

I believe the core box was already designed for production. I'm assuming (based on every cmon kickstarter back to zombicide 1) that all the stretch goals will be in a second large box, similar in size to the core set (like massive darkness).

All add ons will have their own boxes as not everyone will get them. I doubt they will skimp on the packaging/art as this game is focused on the art, storyline, and minis.

I backed for $1, but will be going all in once the manager is released. The dragonborn set is just too good... not to mention crossover capability for blood rage tribes, monsters for massive darkness, zombicide, etc. I'm sure folks on bgg will be making custom cards soon enough!

 455_PWR wrote:
I believe the core box was already designed for production. I'm assuming (based on every cmon kickstarter back to zombicide 1) that all the stretch goals will be in a second large box, similar in size to the core set (like massive darkness).

All add ons will have their own boxes as not everyone will get them. I doubt they will skimp on the packaging/art as this game is focused on the art, storyline, and minis.

I backed for $1, but will be going all in once the manager is released. The dragonborn set is just too good... not to mention crossover capability for blood rage tribes, monsters for massive darkness, zombicide, etc. I'm sure folks on bgg will be making custom cards soon enough!

Same as me, backed Nemesis and this at $1, will throw all ins on Pledge Manager once done. I am going to 40k-ify and Nurgle-fy all the Hate minis. SO much opportunity, couldn't care less about the gameplay. Some of the most inspired minis with conversion potential I've ever seen.

I might late pledge. At first not interested at all. But over past 3 days the sculpts grew on me. Like the Lizardmen a lot. Is the graphic novel any good? Curious about the fluff on the story...

I really dug the books. At first I was a bit miffed with the serious lack of dialogue, but then I went back and spent some time just admiring the work that was put into it.

I would have preferred both books in one deluxe version however. Buying them individually isn't exactly cheap.

I late pledged. Really impressed with Rising Sun and fan of Adrian Smith.

I'll add the Lizardmen and the Mother Prophecy box too.

I'll hit Amazon or B&N for the graphic novels now I think.

 PandaMango141 wrote:

 455_PWR wrote:
I believe the core box was already designed for production. I'm assuming (based on every cmon kickstarter back to zombicide 1) that all the stretch goals will be in a second large box, similar in size to the core set (like massive darkness).

All add ons will have their own boxes as not everyone will get them. I doubt they will skimp on the packaging/art as this game is focused on the art, storyline, and minis.

I backed for $1, but will be going all in once the manager is released. The dragonborn set is just too good... not to mention crossover capability for blood rage tribes, monsters for massive darkness, zombicide, etc. I'm sure folks on bgg will be making custom cards soon enough!

Same as me, backed Nemesis and this at $1, will throw all ins on Pledge Manager once done. I am going to 40k-ify and Nurgle-fy all the Hate minis. SO much opportunity, couldn't care less about the gameplay. Some of the most inspired minis with conversion potential I've ever seen.

Well, you ain't gonna get same quality minis you see on campaign. Those are resin, and later on they will make plastic. Which are not bad, but not on the same level as wargame stuff.

For example, this arrived recently, World of Smog, and this was KDM crossover, made by KDM team, so you can be assured of quality blueprints they sent...result:



Fine for boardgames(although not KDM,lol), but compared to wargames stuff, not at the same level.

The Rising Sun sculpts are excellent quality, and easily on par with wargame miniatures.

So are the Blood Rage minis. They are even better than 90% of "proper" Wargaming Miniatures in Casting, Design and flaws

RoninXiC wrote:
So are the Blood Rage minis. They are even better than 90% of "proper" Wargaming Miniatures in Casting, Design and flaws

I really am happy with the CMON figs more than most gaming figures and it taking out the whole assembly time helps out tremendously. The cost really makes them great, especially if you are wanting to build a huge kings of war army.

I don't know why anybody would have expected anything else for a crossover mini - it needs to match the things where it finds itself, not back in KD:M.

For those who are backing this, shipping prices are a lot worse than other CMON games. To try and negate some of this, make these changes in your address -

1) Instead of putting your suburb in the city line, put your actual capital city near you as your city, and your suburb in the second line of your address.

2) Confirm it and see whether or not it makes shipping any better.

This is mostly for people outside the US. Shipping to where I live in Australia is exorbitant and I hope CMON figures something better out because this is a bit ridiculous for what I am getting.

A bunch of the big couriers put their prices up over the last few months, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was real (and that it's all going to be spent on actual shipping)

I wonder if it will eventually kill the KS juggernaut especially as more higher weight/volume tarrif selections means people who were tending to buy 2-3 sets to subsidise their own copy will now find extra shipping costs mean it's far less viable

~25 US$ to Germany.
Nothing toooooo crazy honestly.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
For those who are backing this, shipping prices are a lot worse than other CMON games. To try and negate some of this, make these changes in your address -

1) Instead of putting your suburb in the city line, put your actual capital city near you as your city, and your suburb in the second line of your address.

2) Confirm it and see whether or not it makes shipping any better.

This is mostly for people outside the US. Shipping to where I live in Australia is exorbitant and I hope CMON figures something better out because this is a bit ridiculous for what I am getting.

Have you confirmed to CMoN that this is "correct", or will they expect you to pick it up in the Capitol? Return back to warehouse for you to pay 2nd round of shipping at non-KS bulk rates?

Your suburb is expensive for a reason, but trying to hack the shipping charges is really cheating other backers by making them subsidize your shipping. And it's probably why non-US rates keep climbing even faster - honest non-US backers keep having to pay more and more to cover cheaters underpaying the shipping.

Ok, I live in a suburb of the City of Perth, Western Australia. Shipping charges aren't extra for delivery to surrounding suburbs, or most of the state to be honest. It just takes longer to get to you.

If I put my suburb in as the city, CMON wants around $90USD to ship to me.

If I put the Perth as the City, and then my suburb in as the second line, it's $58USD.

They aren't subsidising anything. I am actually being way overcharged to be quite honest. They could ship direct from China to me for around $20USD. If anything, anyone outside the EU and US is subsidising everyone elses shipping. It's ridiculously overpriced.

It's pretty clear that you don't understand how logistics works.

someone has to fund those retailer pledges with free shipping. minimum pledge for retailers is six. the question is how many retailers pledged?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's pretty clear that you don't understand how logistics works.

I was a Logistics officer for a major Mining company for over 7 years. And I know our postal service inside and out. You've got no idea what you're talking about.

 Fenriswulf wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's pretty clear that you don't understand how logistics works.

I was a Logistics officer for a major Mining company for over 7 years. And I know our postal service inside and out. You've got no idea what you're talking about.

Let's keep this civil and avoid ad homonym attacks.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A bunch of the big couriers put their prices up over the last few months, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was real (and that it's all going to be spent on actual shipping)

They'd be using local couriers - they usually use Aust Post's Parcel Post via their Local hub, and as far as I can tell, they haven't had any major price increases. I only went in for a dollar, so I'll see what the shipping is like and then use that to decide if I'm going in or not.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's pretty clear that you don't understand how logistics works.

I was a Logistics officer for a major Mining company for over 7 years. And I know our postal service inside and out. You've got no idea what you're talking about.

Let's keep this civil and avoid ad homonym attacks.

I'll back Fenris on this one.
There are no differences in Australia between central city shipping costs and suburban costs. Our cities are different to US ones as well, in that the majority of the population live in the suburbs rather than in what we call the CBD. The suburbs are considered part of the capitals in this country. JHDD is the one who began the ad hominems and he is entirely wrong in this case, and in fact does not have any knowledge or experience of what he is talking about in terms of Australian postal and courier logistics and how it works here.


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 Fenriswulf wrote:
Ok, I live in a suburb of the City of Perth, Western Australia. Shipping charges aren't extra for delivery to surrounding suburbs, or most of the state to be honest. It just takes longer to get to you.
If I put my suburb in as the city, CMON wants around $90USD to ship to me.
If I put the Perth as the City, and then my suburb in as the second line, it's $58USD.
They aren't subsidising anything. I am actually being way overcharged to be quite honest. They could ship direct from China to me for around $20USD. If anything, anyone outside the EU and US is subsidising everyone elses shipping. It's ridiculously overpriced.

Yeah, their system is broken. Just tested it and shipping to my work is significantly more expensive than to the CBD, and both are WAY fething more than any CMON KS to date.

It feels a lot like Fenriswulf is not in fact a 'cheater' or someone who is trying to 'game the system' and more like CMON doesn't understand how shipping works down there in Australia, or just made a mistake?

Hopefully someone has alerted CMON and maybe that will clear all this up for a lot of people.

CMON thus far are not saying anything. The silence is deafening.

I just checked out my postage costs for Blood Rage, which I ordered about the same amount of stuff as what I want from HATE. Postage was $25USD, and it was sent in bulk post from a distributor here in Australia on the East coast to reduce their costs as much as possible. The cost they want to charge me for this is way over the top.

Cheers Azazelx and Mysterio for the back up. Australian postage costs aren't great but they're also nowhere near this bad either.

A lot of $1 pledgers are holding out, and I think a move like this, rather than getting CMON some extra cash, is likely to cost them more, with people deciding not to pay the high rates and thus not going through with a pledge at all, to not supporting their next KS or only putting in $1 to see if it is the same again the next time around. I feel bad for all the people trapped who have paid up front for the game, and now have to either pony up for the high shipping costs or ask for a refund and lose 10% of what they put in due to CMON's refund policy. New Zealand and South America seem to be the ones who are getting hit worst with this.

I hate PMs alwsys being close to other stuff I want. That and shipping, blergh. It was all better when the € was strong, sigh.

Now I have to leave out some of the tribes if I want that Aurochs. Which one(s) though. All have meh models and at least one that makes me go oooooooh.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
CMON thus far are not saying anything. The silence is deafening.

I just checked out my postage costs for Blood Rage, which I ordered about the same amount of stuff as what I want from HATE. Postage was $25USD, and it was sent in bulk post from a distributor here in Australia on the East coast to reduce their costs as much as possible. The cost they want to charge me for this is way over the top.

Cheers Azazelx and Mysterio for the back up. Australian postage costs aren't great but they're also nowhere near this bad either.

A lot of $1 pledgers are holding out, and I think a move like this, rather than getting CMON some extra cash, is likely to cost them more, with people deciding not to pay the high rates and thus not going through with a pledge at all, to not supporting their next KS or only putting in $1 to see if it is the same again the next time around. I feel bad for all the people trapped who have paid up front for the game, and now have to either pony up for the high shipping costs or ask for a refund and lose 10% of what they put in due to CMON's refund policy. New Zealand and South America seem to be the ones who are getting hit worst with this.

Yeah, the new Zombicide just went to $1 down and wait-and-see. CMON have used Aetherworks in Sydney for the last couple of years (along with many other creators) and before that used Ikon in Geelong. We got overcharged when Ikon was distributing as well - at least everyone in Melbourne (and presumably Geelong) did.

I just messaged them and posted the following in the KS comments. I wasn't going to bother, but I saw a message from Fenriswulf there that they have slightly adjusted AU backer's shipping costs but they remain cartoonishly large. I figured another voice expressing displeasure couldn't hurt, and I'm truthfully not willing to pay whatever they happen to ask, so why not?

What's the deal with the exorbitant shipping costs for Australians (and presumably others?) They're WAY out of line with previous campaigns. Like double the price. Like getting the pledge couriered here from overseas.

I know CMON campaigns have a lot of stuff, but the last time I paid that kind of money for shipping was getting 6x Dark Imperium sets couriered to me from the UK. That's a hell of a lot different to having Aetherworks send it to me from Sydney via Australia Post eParcel.

You might want to look into this. I'm only in for a dollar, so I'm thankfully not feeling obligated to pay whatever happens to be asked for the shipping. With this cartoonishly large shipping price bump from something coming from a local hub, you've also now trained me to go in for no more than a dollar in future CMON campaigns.

I wonder if HATE underperformed and they are trying to make it back on shipping? Are US backers also getting hit with slightly higher shipping?

I believe the exact same thing happened with CMONs Song of Ice And Fire Kickstarter shipping. I don’t think it’s intentionally ripping people off but the software is enforcing rules that may apply to some countries shipping where areas outside of cities do cost more to ship to across all countries.

My UK shipping in song of ice and fire was very reasonable considering I purchased two pledges and loads of addons but Eastern Europe, Australia and some parts of America seemed to take a big hit outside of city centres. Those who did the trick with city name rather than suburbs did not receive any complaints from CMON although it hasn’t yet shipped.

Aeneades wrote:
I believe the exact same thing happened with CMONs Song of Ice And Fire Kickstarter shipping. I don’t think it’s intentionally ripping people off but the software is enforcing rules that may apply to some countries shipping where areas outside of cities do cost more to ship to across all countries.

My UK shipping in song of ice and fire was very reasonable considering I purchased two pledges and loads of addons but Eastern Europe, Australia and some parts of America seemed to take a big hit outside of city centres. Those who did the trick with city name rather than suburbs did not receive any complaints from CMON although it hasn’t yet shipped.

Sorry, once again you're incorrect - at least as far as Australia goes. I live 30-45 minutes from the central city. However, there are no differences in costs to ship to where I live. I actually live quite close to a major postal distribution centre, so if anything, it would be cheaper to ship to me than to the central city. But as I've said, very few people live in the central cities in Australia.

So I understand you attempting to speculate, but I do have to reiterate what Fenruswulf and I have already explained. There are no differences in shipping costs between my house, my workplace and the CBD (central business district) of Melbourne. As we have both explained in this thread, we both have rather extensive experience in actually living here and using the various services, and I'll ask you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are indeed, literate and intelligent people rather than random dumb feths who post things on the internet or talk a lot of gak about things that they do not understand or have any experience in. There are a lot of dumbasses everywhere, but he and I are not them.

Looky here. This is one of Australia Post's charts. CMON use Aetherworks, in Sydney. Aetherworks use Australia Post eParcel. The chart has pricing for regular parcels, not eParcel, but the zones are the same. The chart shows Australia Post's delivery zones broken down by postcode. I live in V1, which is the same delivery zone as the CBD, the same zone as my work, the local post office, and the distribution centre that I live near for that matter. If Fenriswulf lives in a Suburb of Perth, then he's in W1, the same as Perth's CBD. Again, it's the same shipping zone.
https://auspost.com.au/content/dam/auspost_corp/media/documents/post-guides/parcel-post-guide-ms105-melbourne-v1.pdf

Which brings me to another point. Shipping here is determined by postcode, not "city name". If anything changes my shipping costs, it would be the postcode, not whatatever I type into that box. In fact, the postcode is enough to get the thing to where it should go in most cases. The suburb name only becomes relevant when you occasionally have two identical street names within the same postcode.

Now, I can only speak for Australia. I don't live in another country that's also being affected by doubled-for-no-reason shipping costs, so the random speculation here might apply to another country. But it doesn't apply to Australia.

 Azazelx wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
I believe the exact same thing happened with CMONs Song of Ice And Fire Kickstarter shipping. I don’t think it’s intentionally ripping people off but the software is enforcing rules that may apply to some countries shipping where areas outside of cities do cost more to ship to across all countries.

My UK shipping in song of ice and fire was very reasonable considering I purchased two pledges and loads of addons but Eastern Europe, Australia and some parts of America seemed to take a big hit outside of city centres. Those who did the trick with city name rather than suburbs did not receive any complaints from CMON although it hasn’t yet shipped.

Sorry, once again you're incorrect - at least as far as Australia goes. I live 30-45 minutes from the central city. However, there are no differences in costs to ship to where I live. I actually live quite close to a major postal distribution centre, so if anything, it would be cheaper to ship to me than to the central city. But as I've said, very few people live in the central cities in Australia.

So I understand you attempting to speculate, but I do have to reiterate what Fenruswulf and I have already explained. There are no differences in shipping costs between my house, my workplace and the CBD (central business district) of Melbourne. As we have both explained in this thread, we both have rather extensive experience in actually living here and using the various services, and I'll ask you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are indeed, literate and intelligent people rather than random dumb feths who post things on the internet or talk a lot of gak about things that they do not understand or have any experience in. There are a lot of dumbasses everywhere, but he and I are not them.

Looky here. This is one of Australia Post's charts. CMON use Aetherworks, in Sydney. Aetherworks use Australia Post eParcel. The chart has pricing for regular parcels, not eParcel, but the zones are the same. The chart shows Australia Post's delivery zones broken down by postcode. I live in V1, which is the same delivery zone as the CBD, the same zone as my work, the local post office, and the distribution centre that I live near for that matter. If Fenriswulf lives in a Suburb of Perth, then he's in W1, the same as Perth's CBD. Again, it's the same shipping zone.
https://auspost.com.au/content/dam/auspost_corp/media/documents/post-guides/parcel-post-guide-ms105-melbourne-v1.pdf

Which brings me to another point. Shipping here is determined by postcode, not "city name". If anything changes my shipping costs, it would be the postcode, not whatatever I type into that box. In fact, the postcode is enough to get the thing to where it should go in most cases. The suburb name only becomes relevant when you occasionally have two identical street names within the same postcode.

Now, I can only speak for Australia. I don't live in another country that's also being affected by doubled-for-no-reason shipping costs, so the random speculation here might apply to another country. But it doesn't apply to Australia.

I know it doesn’t apply to Australia (having lived there myself previously). I was explaining that the pledge manager did the same thing, incorrectly, for the last campaign as well. Sorry if I explained poorly.

Azazelx, it's too bad we don't live in the same city, otherwise we could split a shipment, if that was to bring down the price at all.

And yeah, it's weird. Go into the pledge manager and put your capital city in as the delivery area, with it's corresponding post code (ie for you it would be 3000). Then check the shipping cost. Change the postcode to your local suburb, keeping the city name, and check the shipping cost again. No change.

They seem to be basing the price off capital cities rather than postcodes, which is incredibly borked. No wonder the prices are so screwy.

Pledge Manager reminder! Plus samples!

Posted by CMON (Creator)


Hail Savages!

We'd like to remind everybody that you have 1 week left to finish your Pledge Manager. The deadline for submitting and paying for your pledge is May 18! Please make sure you have your order Confirmed by then. We are finalizing the production quantities based on the confirmed pledges, and specially since this is an exclusive game, with no extra quantity produced for retail, there's a strong chance of us not having enough product for backers who confirm after the deadline.

so unlike most CMON projects if you miss the deadline you run a real risk of not getting anything (other than an eventual refund -KS fees)

The new update for this looks so good. The minis look really good quality, just wish we had an idea of when we would get it.

Still scheduled for Jan 2019 in the last update:

In any case, we are pleased to report that production proceeds very well. Plastic pieces are being manufactured, and print materials are about to start being printed. Everything is looking good to be ready to ship out by the end of the year.

So, I received my shipment from the HATE kickstarter. First thing to note is that they shipped collectively to Aetherworks (an Australian tabletop gaming company) to use them to fulfill the shipping for this project. Aetherworks then shipped to the individual addresses here in Australia, at bulk rates, so the price we paid for shipping was over the top if you take this into account. A negative from an otherwise good Kickstarter.

As to the game itself - I was mostly in this for the miniatures, but the box game itself is massive, it comes with a ton of stuff and looks very well put together. The cards are a good quality, work well with the sleeve system for upgrades, and the tokens and gaming area is pretty great as well.

In addition to the base game, I also bought the Mother Prophecy and the Tribe of Um'Tull, since I was only really interested in the humanoid-ish style miniatures (I am looking to use them as Varangur for Kings of War). All of the miniatures are quite impressive. The lone infantry miniatures are about 38mm tall, but their body proportions are very good. The others are between Ogre and Small Giant size, and would work well as a proxy for those kinds of miniatures. It is unfortunate that the miniatures are already solidly pre-glued, as being able to paint and then assemble would be a lot easier for these miniatures, as most of them come with some very detailed parts. If anyone figures out how to un-glue them, let us all know

Plastic is restic in nature, but they've got it sorted out well. Detail is very sharp, and there are hardly any mold lines to be found at all. It's unfortunate that you get so many duplicates, but that's just how these kinds of Kickstarters are. If needs be, just mix them together with the other tribes, and make distinct units from similar types (two handed, two weapons etc). One of the bonus' from this game is that the bases aren't molded onto the figure. Instead they use small tabs to glue into the disc bases provided, which is great as it allows you to easily remove the discs and then paint and re-base as you'd prefer. Not sure if they've done this for the more recent Zombicide games, but it's a great thing to do.

The miniatures from the Mother Prophecy are very very nice, especially the Ogre sized guy on the bull. Can quite easily make a nice center-piece for an army.

I'd post pictures here, but I don't have a very good camera, and no light-box, so I don't think I would be doing them any kind of justice. I am fairly certain others will have been posting theirs up on various sites, so keep an eye out for them there.

Pros - Very good quality miniatures for the price, and the game components themselves look really good. Miniatures are also easy to remove from the bases they are glued to, which helps a lot.

Cons - Shipping was way over what was necessary, and communication with the kickstarter was bad at the end when people noticed how much they were being charged for shipping. Also duplicates are annoying but not a big deal, and the gluing of the figures is a pain in the butt for a miniature painter like myself, but not a deal-breaker.

Thanks for the update. Off to scour eBay for the 10 guys I actually wanted from this KS...

Did you get the huts/trees by chance? I have them coming, but was curious if it was just one sculpt. I really wish CMON would make their terrain add-ons for retail. I missed out on the ASOIAF ones unfortunately.

I'm trying to figure out if an unknown box coming from UPS is either this or Forbidden Fortress, as they're the only massively large boxes I'm expecting any time soon.

@Fenriswulf- how heavy was the box?

The package I've got coming is close to 40 pounds... and the more I think about it, CMON usually uses FedEx for shipping big stuff in the US, so maybe it is FoFo after all.

Either way I'm eagerly anticipating this one!

One thing I'd really like to hear more about is the art book if anyone ordered it. It's more pages than the actual comic I think!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
The package I've got coming is close to 40 pounds... and the more I think about it, CMON usually uses FedEx for shipping big stuff in the US, so maybe it is FoFo after all.

I got an extra FedEx delivery today and now I'm wondering if it's my dose of HATE O_O

I got the art book (I think? please, past Salvage!) so will report back.

I received my shipment in two parts to cut down on the weight for shipping I am guessing. If they combined them it might have kicked them into a higher price category for shipping here in Australia. Who knows.

But yes, the main box is bloody heavy. It's shipped in a long rectangular box which has the size and dimensions of a small flat-screen TV. And a weight pretty much similar, if not heavier considering it's mostly cardboard and plastic. One thing I didn't mention was that although shipping was expensive, they did send it well protected. The main box is suspended inside the cardboard shipping box via cardboard end sleeves which rest on foam corner pieces. Not a scratch or ding on it when it got here.

So I would say that if it's about 40 pounds, depending on what you've ordered, it's likely this kickstarter. Hope you are home to receive it

@Bossk_Hogg - I didn't order any of the terrain, sorry. From what I saw online it was all the one type, but with trees you're likely to be able to modify them different from one another to achieve a unique look for each one. I would have gone with all the add-on's if postage wasn't so terrible for this. As it is I stuck with the things I actually wanted and just left the rest. The KS wasn't too bloated in choices though, which is good, it's just the postage costs which let it down.

I did, however, get a ton of stuff from CMON during their black friday sale, all for $9US shipping from the US, so perhaps it evens out, heh

I ordered everything except the battleground extra set, so if I somehow manage to get that stuff before others, I'll happily post it.

Plus it looks like a lot of others online are confirming the UPS thing is indeed Shadows of Brimstone getting ready to ship out.

I got my notification for Forbidden Fortress Shogun pledge. UPS. 36lbs.

 Boss Salvage wrote:
I got an extra FedEx delivery today and now I'm wondering if it's my dose of HATE O_O

Update: It was not, just a different heavy shipment split into multiple parts

Don't you just hate that?

PS: Highlord, you planning to make an unboxing video?

Yeah, I'll make a video, provided they hurry up and send it to me!

I'm really interested in hearing more about the art book. Considering the size of it, like I said earlier, there's more art in it possibly than pages in the actual graphic novels.

At the very least they've got all those story bits from the campaign included in it, and even with big full page illustrations, I'd imagine there's quite a bit of work in there we haven't really seen.

The Others artbook is one of my favorites for giving the monsters a lot more page time. One of these days I'm going to hunt down the World of Smog one as well...