Phobosftw wrote:

 drazz wrote:
His all seems the new model for GW. New box with small squads and mini game, new Minis get rules for other system, expand range to full codex.

Even a small Rogue Trader army list could be flavorful and new for 40K. I’m hoping it comes to be, and is a characterful addition.

mm, yes..if there is one thing 40k needs right now it is certainly MOAR IMPERIAL FACTONS

^_^

I see your point, but at the same time what you should really say is more non alien factions. It's would be easy to build a background for your rogue trader army that has it fighting the imperials. When you look at the popularity of 30k Marines fighting Marines it's clear a lot of folks don't care if their army has pointy ears or tentacles.

40k is set in a humanocentric setting during the age of mankind being dominant through the universe. The alien should be few and far between. More human factions that can play to both sides of the conflict is not a problem. These figures will work with genestealers, chaos, Tau....guess how many factions can use a new Ork buggy....( and I'm really hoping for a new Ork buggy soon).

TBH I'm just more confused now.

Does this mean Kill Team is going to be a full-on Necromunda-style game in the broader 40K setting, complete with intro boxed game with a tighter focus(boarding a ship vs underhive) and full "gang" lists for all the factions that let you build the team you want? Or are we still just talking about a traditional "pick a couple of small units from the 40K army list" affair, but they're going to have crossover rules to let you use the contents of a Rogue Trader game box that's more in the DW:OK-style?

Really need a proper preview that lays out at least the broad strokes of what to expect.

And I’m sure we’ll get them. What we’ve seen so far are teasers so it’s not surprising that all they’ve done is, well, tease.

If the Rogue Trader set is for Kill Team, that would imply we’ll get more than just options from the “normal” 40k armies. Even if we keep it to just shipboard settings, that gives so many possibilities...!

Freebootaz
Eldar corsairs
Human pirates
Kroot
Demiurg
Galg
Tarellians
Slaugth
Barghesi
Umbra
Zoats
Squats?

Everything seems possible with the new GW!

Dissapointed. Hoping it was a dungeon (spaceship) crawler., not some exoansion for gakky kill team :(

Unless the rules are drastically different than before, i have no interest in kt

 Barzam wrote:
Well, if we're wishlisting, Kill Team would be a perfect opportunity to release small boxed teams of more uniquely styled characters and units not widely available and in dynamic poses a-la Shadespire.

...like Eldar Corsairs, Ork Freebooters, Kroot Mercenaries, Hrud...

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
And I’m sure we’ll get them. What we’ve seen so far are teasers so it’s not surprising that all they’ve done is, well, tease.

You tease things people already have a basic grasp of. If you're going to take something established and create a version that radically departs from that, you either keep it zipped or you provide enough information that people know what's going on.

It's not like holding back is doing anything for them - people were going to buy RT or not based on the models, save for those who wanted Warhammer 40,000 Quest and who will feel bilked if what they get instead if KT-related, and people were going to buy KT or not based on whether it gives them what they want from a 40K skirmish game.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Does this mean Kill Team is going to be a full-on Necromunda-style game in the broader 40K setting, complete with intro boxed game with a tighter focus(boarding a ship vs underhive) and full "gang" lists for all the factions that let you build the team you want? Or are we still just talking about a traditional "pick a couple of small units from the 40K army list" affair, but they're going to have crossover rules to let you use the contents of a Rogue Trader game box that's more in the DW:OK-style?

Seems to be somewhere between 40K and Necromunda in depth. From the sounds of it the minis need a Kill Team list not just a 40K entry. I'm sure there will be some overlap, but GW must realize KT can be a gateway game as well as a side game for 40K players.

My only problem is that I pushed KT out of my vision when RT dropped. Now i seem to have to make nice with KT to get to RT. First world problems.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Dissapointed. Hoping it was a dungeon (spaceship) crawler., not some exoansion for gakky kill team :(

Unless the rules are drastically different than before, i have no interest in kt

Oh I see, please enlighten us as to the rules for this expansion. How do you know its not a dungeon crawler style expansion?

What this gives me hope of for KT, though I think it unlikely, is more flavored KTs akin to Mordheim, rather than generic stripped down army lists. So instead of Orks we would have Ork Freebootaz, instead of Eldar we would have Eldar Corsairs, instead of Inquisition we'd have Ordos Xenos strike team, and so on. The RT team certainly seems to follow the Mordheim model with several "Heroes" and a handful of henchmen.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Dissapointed. Hoping it was a dungeon (spaceship) crawler., not some exoansion for gakky kill team :(

Unless the rules are drastically different than before, i have no interest in kt

Oh I see, please enlighten us as to the rules for this expansion. How do you know its not a dungeon crawler style expansion?

It could be. The expansion could also introduce the rules of Twister in the game (and after the horrible AOS joke rules, I don't think we can dismiss this possibility). But if you have any knowledge concerning KT, there,s nothing to suggest that an expansion of it would be a dungeon crawler

I'm still holding on to a faint hope that the new Kill Team could be the 40k equivalent of Warhammer Quest. After all, the original KT rules were an asymmetrical mission of a small group of specialists against a larger force of guards.

However, it's a faint hope at this point. Seems more likely it will be more like 40k Underworlds, which is nice but not what my group is really into.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I'm still holding on to a faint hope that the new Kill Team could be the 40k equivalent of Warhammer Quest. After all, the original KT rules were an asymmetrical mission of a small group of specialists against a larger force of guards.

However, it's a faint hope at this point. Seems more likely it will be more like 40k Underworlds, which is nice but not what my group is really into.

We've seen a trailer with squads of miniatures and a table with normal terrain and we've seen cardboard tiles in the Rogue Trader shots. At this time there's really nothing to suggest this will be anything but a normal tabletop skirmish game with additional rules for 2D board in the same vein as Necromunda.

There's no reason to believe it will be comparable to Shadespire or, sadly, Warhammer Quest.

 Phobosftw wrote:

mm, yes..if there is one thing 40k needs right now it is certainly MOAR IMPERIAL FACTONS

^_^

Strictly speaking Rogue Traders aren't 'Imperial' what with being Rogue and all...

They're authorized to operate outside Imperial space.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:

 drazz wrote:
His all seems the new model for GW. New box with small squads and mini game, new Minis get rules for other system, expand range to full codex.

Even a small Rogue Trader army list could be flavorful and new for 40K. I’m hoping it comes to be, and is a characterful addition.

mm, yes..if there is one thing 40k needs right now it is certainly MOAR IMPERIAL FACTONS

^_^

I see your point, but at the same time what you should really say is more non alien factions. It's would be easy to build a background for your rogue trader army that has it fighting the imperials. When you look at the popularity of 30k Marines fighting Marines it's clear a lot of folks don't care if their army has pointy ears or tentacles.

40k is set in a humanocentric setting during the age of mankind being dominant through the universe. The alien should be few and far between. More human factions that can play to both sides of the conflict is not a problem. These figures will work with genestealers, chaos, Tau....guess how many factions can use a new Ork buggy....( and I'm really hoping for a new Ork buggy soon).

The problem is that the whole setting of 30k is established as Marines vs Marines.

40k isn't. Comparative to it's size, the Imperium barely has any open war infighting. It's really tiring to have 70% of games devolve into Imperial (usually Space Marine) armies fighting other Imperial arguments, when that's very much not what happens in the lore. You can only 'forge a narrative' in your head about excuses so often before it becomes pretty glaring.

I play with my Dark Angels vs other Dark Angels all the time without a problem.

The one that loses is the fallen.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:

 drazz wrote:
His all seems the new model for GW. New box with small squads and mini game, new Minis get rules for other system, expand range to full codex.

Even a small Rogue Trader army list could be flavorful and new for 40K. I’m hoping it comes to be, and is a characterful addition.

mm, yes..if there is one thing 40k needs right now it is certainly MOAR IMPERIAL FACTONS

^_^

I see your point, but at the same time what you should really say is more non alien factions. It's would be easy to build a background for your rogue trader army that has it fighting the imperials. When you look at the popularity of 30k Marines fighting Marines it's clear a lot of folks don't care if their army has pointy ears or tentacles.

40k is set in a humanocentric setting during the age of mankind being dominant through the universe. The alien should be few and far between. More human factions that can play to both sides of the conflict is not a problem. These figures will work with genestealers, chaos, Tau....guess how many factions can use a new Ork buggy....( and I'm really hoping for a new Ork buggy soon).

The problem is that the whole setting of 30k is established as Marines vs Marines.

40k isn't. Comparative to it's size, the Imperium barely has any open war infighting. It's really tiring to have 70% of games devolve into Imperial (usually Space Marine) armies fighting other Imperial arguments, when that's very much not what happens in the lore. You can only 'forge a narrative' in your head about excuses so often before it becomes pretty glaring.

That's...not accurate. The Imperium is a fundamentally feudal society; despite all the trappings of bureaucracy gone mad and theocratic dictatorship, it's composed of a million fiefdoms albeit some are more petty than others. Space Marine chapters war with each other over doctrinal differences or slights of honour all the time, they're declared renegades and fought to near-extinction by other Imperials only to be re-sanctioned after the requisite Penitent Crusade and Inquisitorial rummage around in their sock drawers, Guard regiments and whole planets fall under the sway of demagogues both Chaotic and otherwise, parts of the Inquisition and the Mechanicus relentlessly try to destroy other parts, or play other Imperial forces off against each other for their own power or ideological reasons. Politics, ego, belief, manipulations and all the other human flaws are just as magnified in 40K as everything else is - There Is Only War isn't a sentiment that applies only because the Imperium as at war with everyone else, but because it's also at war with itself.

Perpetual Marine vs Marine/Marine vs Other Imperial battles are boring because playing the same thing all the time is boring, it's not even slightly a problem from the perspective of the fiction.

Also, the whole of 30K is not "Marines vs Marines", they're merely the most visible part of it because they're the closest to the actual "protagonists" of the story - the Primarchs.

Everyone is griping because KT is coming with a 'new faction' of Imperials (which seems more like just a small group of units that you can use as allies).

...there's another faction in that box, fellas.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Everyone is griping because KT is coming with a 'new faction' of Imperials (which seems more like just a small group of units that you can use as allies).

...there's another faction in that box, fellas.

I think "random Chaos dudes boring, should have been xenos" has been brought to conclusion early on in the thread.

While I'm not surprised by the wishes for more xenos (it's justified as far as I'm concerned), having any at the expense of the Imperial side seems a bit overzealous to me. Sure, Imperials as a super faction aren't exactly starved for releases, but what we're seeing is not the umpteenth iteration of Space Marines. Rogue Traders got less exposure and went unsupported for longer than Genestealer Cults, and that's saying something.

Indeed- and despite how tied into the Imperium they are, given how much freedom they have they are probably the closest thing to an Independent human faction were likely to get for a loooong time, if ever.

 Geifer wrote:
I think "random Chaos dudes boring, should have been xenos" has been brought to conclusion early on in the thread.

I did notice that. But it's Dakka. "Reee! Whinge! Bawww! It's not my toys!" seems to be a common reaction to literally any release.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
I think "random Chaos dudes boring, should have been xenos" has been brought to conclusion early on in the thread.

I did notice that. But it's Dakka. "Reee! Whinge! Bawww! It's not my toys!" seems to be a common reaction to literally any release.

But...aren't you part of Dakka too?

And are you...complaining about complaining?

Anyway, all that's entirely on the individuals involved, nothing intrinsic to this forum. You'll find similar behavior anywhere a large enough group of people are talking about GW.

Also, with Kill Team (and Rogue Trader?), well almost assuredly get the opportunity to field just about anything out there.

Maybe.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:

mm, yes..if there is one thing 40k needs right now it is certainly MOAR IMPERIAL FACTONS

^_^

Strictly speaking Rogue Traders aren't 'Imperial' what with being Rogue and all...

They're authorized to operate outside Imperial space.

Their Letters Patent are authorised by Terra, and in some of the oldest, most prestigious families, by the Emperor himself. They are Imperials, and aligned (loosely) with Imperial goals, and their freedom is specifically granted by the Imperium.

They are not part of the Imperial military though, that is true. They operate more like the Inquisition.

Added Kill Team to the title

Accurate? No?

 Mysterio wrote:
But...aren't you part of Dakka too?

And are you...complaining about complaining?

Not about releases. I mean, I don't see anything specific to what I play released hardly... ever. Don't hear me whining because a shiny new toy is for something else.

 Mysterio wrote:
Anyway, all that's entirely on the individuals involved, nothing intrinsic to this forum. You'll find similar behavior anywhere a large enough group of people are talking about GW.

True enough. Makes sense why GW is releasing books for children. You'd think scrolling through comments sections and forums that the hobby was full of spoiled little ankle-biters.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Added Kill Team to the title

Accurate? No?

Presumably the new models will also be usable for Kill Team, just like any Harlequin or Space Marine or whatever (not Imperial Knights though, granted).

This guy's trigger finger is really bothering me

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Added Kill Team to the title

Accurate? No?

Presumably the new models will also be usable for Kill Team, just like any Harlequin or Space Marine or whatever (not Imperial Knights though, granted).

Actually the present information says that Rogue Trader is an expansion for Kill Team not a separate game.

Archonite wrote:


This guy's trigger finger is really bothering me

I love that his finger is off the trigger... but that is a really long finger...

I wonder if it's on the trigger that that 'long' bit is just part of the gun painted wrong

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I wonder if it's on the trigger that that 'long' bit is just part of the gun painted wrong

It's either painted wrong or its a highlight or something else which wouldn't be a problem if its seen at a different angle. There's no way a finger could e sculpted and then painted that long.

That's my hope- someone mispainted it.

No filthy xenos allowed in my pure and pristine Imperium!

endtransmission wrote:Given that rogue trader has been confirmed as part of kill team, can we merge the threads again?

When was this said? I have missed this announcement.

Archonite wrote:


This guy's trigger finger is really bothering me

It does look like two parts painted poorly, you can see a bit of a break in the finger. Or maybe he has really heroic hands? Bioengineered pianist?

You guys think that's bad, you should have seen the old metal blister figure for the CSM whose hand was far large than his head, minus the antlers.

Skaorn wrote:
You guys think that's bad, you should have seen the old metal blister figure for the CSM whose hand was far large than his head, minus the antlers.

Yeah, but chaos.....at least it was chaos...some want a tail, or extra arm. He just got a big hand. But that finger?

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

Archonite wrote:


This guy's trigger finger is really bothering me

It does look like two parts painted poorly, you can see a bit of a break in the finger. Or maybe he has really heroic hands? Bioengineered pianist?

All that's the finger alright. It's just a really, really bad angle. GW photography at its best.

The hand is of course bigger than it should be because GW uses heroic proportions, but the finger just appears longer than it really is because of a couple of optical illusions. The elbow is pulled back, giving you a relatively short arm compared to the hand and the finger. The back of the hand is obscured by the rifle where it extends towards the thumb, making it appear as though the finger extends all the way to what is the middle of the hand. The lower corner of the rifle is located above the middle of the hand, right above where the recessions that form the knuckles start, making it appear that those recesses actually form the gaps between the fingers. The fingers themselves are obscured by angle and darkness so that this effect is reinforced. Combined with the angle of the arm, only half of the back of the hand looks like it's the entirety of it.

If you account for these, that's just a normal heroic plastic hand you can find on a number of other GW humans. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a complete CAD asset and thus tried, tested and normalized.. I would be surprised if a deformed finger was sculpted from scratch, missed by the sculptor, and by others during revisions and during examination of the test cast.

It looks to me like the finger from knuckle to tip is the same length as the hand from wrist to knuckle - just like my hands.

I swear this whole game is going to tank because of that guy's finger. They're going to have to recall and destroy boxes just like Dreadfleet.

Obviously GW did not sculpt a dude with a 36" trigger finger. Obviously it's some kind of painting error.
And even if they did, just paint the extra long bit gun colored.

Geeze people.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I swear this whole game is going to tank because of that guy's finger. They're going to have to recall and destroy boxes just like Dreadfleet.

Obviously GW did not sculpt a dude with a 36" trigger finger. Obviously it's some kind of painting error.
And even if they did, just paint the extra long bit gun colored.

Geeze people.

One of the old kasrkin had the same thing, giant finger !

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I swear this whole game is going to tank because of that guy's finger. They're going to have to recall and destroy boxes just like Dreadfleet.

When will GW learn that naval miniatures don't sell!

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
It looks to me like the finger from knuckle to tip is the same length as the hand from wrist to knuckle - just like my hands.

Very good point, and that doesn't account for people like me whose finger is actually longer than wrist to knuckle. I really think it's just a bad angled shot everyone is making a big deal about. In person (or even another picture), I'm sure it will look fine.

Wow KidKyoto, are you saying GW is giving us the finger?

That guy’s finger is the reason he’s on the crew in the first place. It gets lonely and boring in the cold depths of the void...

Might be a grimdark prototype of the arceotech known as the Farnsworth finglonger

Good news everyone! I am no longer branded a heretech by the Adeprus Mechanicus. In other news you will be making a delivery to the Necron Tomb World of R’lyeh XIII.

Messiah wrote:
Good news everyone! I am no longer branded a heretech by the Adeprus Mechanicus. In other news you will be making a delivery to the Necron Tomb World of R’lyeh XIII.

This actually made me laugh, exalted

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Messiah wrote:
Good news everyone! I am no longer branded a heretech by the Adeprus Mechanicus. In other news you will be making a delivery to the Necron Tomb World of R’lyeh XIII.

This actually made me laugh, exalted

ditto