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GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 20:41:06


Post by: Albino Squirrel


Also, GW needs a huge staff of artists, writers, sculptors, painters, photographers, marketing people, etc, to constantly churn out new kits. The perry's just do one or two kits a year, sculpted themselves. So they don't need any of that.

But yeah, people pay it. Most people would not pay $5 per miniature for historical miniatures, but many people pay that for space marines.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 20:49:06


Post by: EnTyme


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
 Elbows wrote:

If we're honest, GW doesn't need retail stores, and they could reduce their overhead substantialy if they desired. They don't see the need to do that at the moment.


This is the part I disagree with. They do need the stores.
Where else will younger players just getting into the hobby learn that there is only Warhammer to play. That you must buy only GW terrain to play a GW game. You only paint with GW brushes and use GW paints. That you can only ever use GW figures for GW games. Etc etc etc.

It's the reason there's the comments like "I'd like to try game XYZ, but I don't like the figures by the XYZ company". It's why there's so many people defending GW on here and looking forward to the price rise. GW need the shops for that cult-like brainwashing.





TIL "This doesn't seem so bad, and at least they gave us advance warning" means "Boy, I'm so glad they're charging more for this!" You can always count on this board for some quality hyperbole.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 21:26:13


Post by: happy_inquisitor


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
 Elbows wrote:

If we're honest, GW doesn't need retail stores, and they could reduce their overhead substantialy if they desired. They don't see the need to do that at the moment.


This is the part I disagree with. They do need the stores.
Where else will younger players just getting into the hobby learn that there is only Warhammer to play. That you must buy only GW terrain to play a GW game. You only paint with GW brushes and use GW paints. That you can only ever use GW figures for GW games. Etc etc etc.

It's the reason there's the comments like "I'd like to try game XYZ, but I don't like the figures by the XYZ company". It's why there's so many people defending GW on here and looking forward to the price rise. GW need the shops for that cult-like brainwashing.





As opposed to - back in the day - miserable historicals grognards giving youngsters the cold shoulder for daring to turn up wanting to play WWII battles with their Airfix models when obviously the only period to play is Musket and Pike and the only acceptably beardy models are lead miniatures.

Oh and my Sherman tanks were no historical Tank Division in particular <shock> <horror>

I was that teenager. Let's not wish ourselves back to the days before GW folks, they were not all rosy-glow and wonderful.

GW stores bring lots of youngsters into the hobby and guess what? Most of them figure out that there are more games out there and more manufacturers out there but plenty of them are left some goodwill towards GW and still buy quite a lot of GW stuff - which for GW is the point and if the spin-off is that it keeps the entire hobby healthy and indirectly keeps all their competitors in business that is something that GW can clearly live with as it has been doing for decades. If you want to snootily lambast anyone who retains that goodwill as "brainwashed" then that says a whole lot more about your attitude than theirs.

The stores are pretty much a loss-leader. They keep the flow of customers coming in to keep GW alive and to an extent keep the whole industry alive. Unlike the soap-shy denizens of many a club the manager at a GW store is actually paid to be friendly and welcoming (and bathe). OK maybe a few of those managers fall short but they absolutely are supposed to do that - whereas it is utter blind luck if you get a good or bad welcome at some random club and find someone willing to patiently work you into the game and willingly lose a few games to you in order to encourage a new player in.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 21:54:26


Post by: Galas


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
It's the reason there's the comments like "I'd like to try game XYZ, but I don't like the figures by the XYZ company".


Whats unreasonable about this? Many times I find rules that I like but, for me, the miniatures that the same company makes or go with the boardgame are unapealing or outright ugly. Not always of course, and the inverse can also happen, like with Mierce, where I love their miniatures but Darkage is not something I like.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 22:02:51


Post by: Albertorius


 Galas wrote:
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
It's the reason there's the comments like "I'd like to try game XYZ, but I don't like the figures by the XYZ company".


Whats unreasonable about this? Many times I find rules that I like but, for me, the miniatures that the same company makes or go with the boardgame are unapealing or outright ugly. Not always of course, and the inverse can also happen, like with Mierce, where I love their miniatures but Darkage is not something I like.


I suppose that the problem is that in a lot of cases, that statement comes attached with the following "...therefore I can't ever try out or play game XYZ, because, using company ABC minis to play game XYZ rules? What are we now, savages?".

And it is sorta true.Obviously there is nothing wrong not liking the minis from a game (I mean, duh). But for some people, the only way to play at all a game is with that game's official minis, and anything else is sort of heresy.And other people just go and use the minis they like, even though in some cases (like boardgames, or using GW minis to play with other systems) it might lead to additional expenses.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 22:18:46


Post by: Gimgamgoo


 Galas wrote:
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
It's the reason there's the comments like "I'd like to try game XYZ, but I don't like the figures by the XYZ company".


Whats unreasonable about this? Many times I find rules that I like but, for me, the miniatures that the same company makes or go with the boardgame are unapealing or outright ugly. Not always of course, and the inverse can also happen, like with Mierce, where I love their miniatures but Darkage is not something I like.

So play a set of game rules you like with Mierce miniatures?
Thanks. I think you verified my point for me.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 22:21:51


Post by: JWBS


 Azreal13 wrote:
"They have high overheads" is categorically not an inherent defense for higher prices.

If you take a luxury car compared to a basic one, you can point to areas where the manufacturer has used more complex systems, higher quality materials, simply included more, to justify a price difference.

If you take two pots of acrylic paint, both comprised of a carrier and a pigment, and the only justification for one's higher price is "muh overhead" then what you have is a company that's managed itself into a situation where it can't compete.

GW leans so hard on its market position for leverage sometimes that should there ever come a time where this sector attracts attention from any sort of market disruptor it's going to have a real fight in its hands.


GW aren't a miniature paint company. Still, competing in that sector quite well.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 22:51:55


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


TL/DR

But does anyone else actually grasp how capitalism actually works?

They have something. We want it. ‘Fair’ doesn’t come into it. And their financials over the past couple years suggest those taking offence are very much pissing into the wind on this one.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 23:16:37


Post by: Elbows


Mad Doc, in short...no, a lot of people don't.

Admittedly it's mostly younger people, but there is a large portion of the population who fervently believe that basic fundamental concepts in life shouldn't exist "because". That's actually how some minds works (at least temporarily, they normally snap out of it and eventually see common sense later).


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 23:27:19


Post by: Sigismund HRE


I only use GW paints, but buy any brush to get the job done. I just bought the new water pot they made, I used to use an old yoghurt pot. The new water pot is actually a good purchase,I can definitely notice those ribbed edges cleaning the brushes better.

As I have only ever used GW paints and never look at 3rd party prices, the increase doesn't seem horrible to me. My painting has been improved by the Warhammer Tv tutorials massively so if continuing to buy those paints and know the colours in the video quickly gives me models I am super proud of then it is all worth it to me. As for model prices, who doesn't want cheaper figures, I have been waiting for a bloodthirster for a while, I spent my saved money on some terrain as I don't have much and needed more to improve games. Now I have to do that thing called saving and budgeting so I can afford my plastic addiction. From my point of view, we live in a world where most people who play the game once they have a small army can just save up for as long as needed to get the next new hot model. £60 for a start collecting, another lets say £30 on some paints and £50 for rules and books will give me personally enough content to work on for about 8 months, so a pretty cheap hobby if you break down how many hours I will spend using that all. I spend about 10 hours on painting a basic figure.

My price annoyance in the modern world is remembering how good video games used to be for £40 back on my xbox 360 and how trash xbox one games being completed in 8 hours cost £60 today.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/11 23:43:13


Post by: Azreal13


JWBS wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
"They have high overheads" is categorically not an inherent defense for higher prices.

If you take a luxury car compared to a basic one, you can point to areas where the manufacturer has used more complex systems, higher quality materials, simply included more, to justify a price difference.

If you take two pots of acrylic paint, both comprised of a carrier and a pigment, and the only justification for one's higher price is "muh overhead" then what you have is a company that's managed itself into a situation where it can't compete.

GW leans so hard on its market position for leverage sometimes that should there ever come a time where this sector attracts attention from any sort of market disruptor it's going to have a real fight in its hands.


GW aren't a miniature paint company. Still, competing in that sector quite well.


If they sell paint, they're in the paint business.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
TL/DR

But does anyone else actually grasp how capitalism actually works?

They have something. We want it. ‘Fair’ doesn’t come into it. And their financials over the past couple years suggest those taking offence are very much pissing into the wind on this one.


Feeling fairly treated is very important to customers. Keeping customers is very important to a company's survival. If your customers feel ripped off they'll go else where and your company dies. That's capitalism.

GW's figures suggest that all the steps they've taken to build a relationship with their customers is working. It can stop working just as fast.

Being fair is absolutely a self serving, capitalist, motive.

Note I'm not predicting GW's doom, just taking issue with the fact that evil capitalist organizations somehow have no obligation to be fair with their customers.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Alpharius wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
"They have high overheads" is categorically not an inherent defense for higher prices.

If you take a luxury car compared to a basic one, you can point to areas where the manufacturer has used more complex systems, higher quality materials, simply included more, to justify a price difference.

If you take two pots of acrylic paint, both comprised of a carrier and a pigment, and the only justification for one's higher price is "muh overhead" then what you have is a company that's managed itself into a situation where it can't compete.

GW leans so hard on its market position for leverage sometimes that should there ever come a time where this sector attracts attention from any sort of market disruptor it's going to have a real fight in its hands.


Exalted!

And it is hard to believe sometimes that this real, credible market disruptor hasn't shown up yet though!


I'm sure there's eyes on the whole situation. I'm not sure the market is there to attract a big player with deep pockets, but, ironically, GW's continued success may be exactly what convinces somebody to make a move.

The question still remains who and with what?


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 01:11:46


Post by: lord_blackfang


 Elbows wrote:
Mad Doc, in short...no, a lot of people don't.

Admittedly it's mostly younger people, but there is a large portion of the population who fervently believe that basic fundamental concepts in life shouldn't exist "because". That's actually how some minds works (at least temporarily, they normally snap out of it and eventually see common sense later).


Capitalism is just how those in power prefer to run society at this point in time, it's not some fundamental principle undepinning the universe


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 02:13:13


Post by: Elbows


It actually is...ever since the first person traded things, and we started using currency. Supply and demand is an absolutely fundamental concept in any civilization.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 02:20:07


Post by: ScarletRose


 Elbows wrote:
It actually is...ever since the first person traded things, and we started using currency. Supply and demand is an absolutely fundamental concept in any civilization.


Price gouging? Sure it's a law of the universe

All praise the invisible hand! All praise the invisible hand!

edited by ingtaer.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 03:31:43


Post by: Galas


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
 Galas wrote:
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
It's the reason there's the comments like "I'd like to try game XYZ, but I don't like the figures by the XYZ company".


Whats unreasonable about this? Many times I find rules that I like but, for me, the miniatures that the same company makes or go with the boardgame are unapealing or outright ugly. Not always of course, and the inverse can also happen, like with Mierce, where I love their miniatures but Darkage is not something I like.

So play a set of game rules you like with Mierce miniatures?
Thanks. I think you verified my point for me.


Yeah thas exactly what I do. I also regularly use GW miniatures in other games.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 03:51:50


Post by: timetowaste85


 ScarletRose wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
It actually is...ever since the first person traded things, and we started using currency. Supply and demand is an absolutely fundamental concept in any civilization.


Price gouging? Sure it's a law of the universe

All praise the invisible hand! All praise the invisible hand!



Except none of us are actually HAPPY about it, we just accept that it’s going to happen. With cars, houses, GW, soda, etc. It always goes up. As much as I’m bummed about the price increases on SC boxes...they’re just going from a big discount to a slightly smaller discount. They’re still a discounted box from GW.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 04:10:14


Post by: Dr Mathias


This thread cracks me up.

I recall buying Grenadier and Ral Partha miniatures ca. 1989 and thinking GW was hideously expensive in relation to other miniatures. Eventually I bought them anyway because they looked cool and were made well.

On a fundamental level, not much has changed since then.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 05:48:54


Post by: Elbows


 ScarletRose wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
It actually is...ever since the first person traded things, and we started using currency. Supply and demand is an absolutely fundamental concept in any civilization.


Price gouging? Sure it's a law of the universe

All praise the invisible hand! All praise the invisible hand!



Wow...brilliant addition to the conversation. Way to miss the point of anything said before you.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 08:37:04


Post by: Albertorius


 timetowaste85 wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
It actually is...ever since the first person traded things, and we started using currency. Supply and demand is an absolutely fundamental concept in any civilization.


Price gouging? Sure it's a law of the universe

All praise the invisible hand! All praise the invisible hand!



Except none of us are actually HAPPY about it, we just accept that it’s going to happen. With cars, houses, GW, soda, etc. It always goes up. As much as I’m bummed about the price increases on SC boxes...they’re just going from a big discount to a slightly smaller discount. They’re still a discounted box from GW.


Of course, many of the SC boxes are a good deal because the aforementioned boxes are horribly overpriced to start with...


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 10:59:46


Post by: StygianBeach


 Elbows wrote:
It actually is...ever since the first person traded things, and we started using currency. Supply and demand is an absolutely fundamental concept in any civilization.


Sorry for the off topic post, but the first sentence between really annoys me. The gap between the first Trade and the first use of Currency is how many years? The sentence is absurd, much like Achilles and his Gold.


Back on Topic.
Well, I have been meaning to get a Treeman for a while, so I used this as an excuse to order the Tree People Start Collecting.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 11:11:44


Post by: Pete Melvin


There's this myth that wargaming is expensive. It's not. A friend of mine goes snowboarding every year. A single trip of his costs more than I spend on wargames stuff in a year. And that's one trip, I get to USE my games stuff forever if I so choose.
I saw someone make the assertion that having a classic car as a hobby was less expensive than wargaming. Please.
If i go to the cinema, it costs me £10 for say 2 hours. About £5 an hour.
If I buy a box of minis, let's say it costs me £30. It will take me say 2 hours to make them. Then maybe 10 hours + to paint them. Then I get to game with them. Even if you double that cost to add in stuff like paint, brushes etc, you're still getting a better return on your time/cost than going to the cinema.

Is GW expensive compared to other companies? Sure, but most of them don't have a single shop. None of them have shops up and down the country and all over the world.

I don't play much GW stuff, I mostly do historical and non GW skirmish games, but I can see why they cost what they do. GW have a lot more to worry about in terms of staff, buildings, and just general procedure than 99% of other producers.

If you don't like it, then don't pay it. Go to the second hand market to get your fix. You could also play a different game. And don't give me the old "people only play GW round here" shtick, buy into a new game with two forces and introduce people to it. If it doesn't take, oh well, try again until something you enjoy does. There's a whole wide world of gaming out there that doesn't involve GW in any shape or form. (Whisper: and a lot of them are far better games too...)


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 11:30:06


Post by: sockwithaticket


 Gimgamgoo wrote:
 Galas wrote:
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
It's the reason there's the comments like "I'd like to try game XYZ, but I don't like the figures by the XYZ company".


Whats unreasonable about this? Many times I find rules that I like but, for me, the miniatures that the same company makes or go with the boardgame are unapealing or outright ugly. Not always of course, and the inverse can also happen, like with Mierce, where I love their miniatures but Darkage is not something I like.

So play a set of game rules you like with Mierce miniatures?
Thanks. I think you verified my point for me.


I thought you meant because GW have the physical presence and tend to snare interested parties first, that by the time they find out about other companies they're so used to GW models that most other things look off in some way and this discourages them from venturing away.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 12:43:56


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Christ on a Unicorn!

New terrain set is £37.50

Ouch. Might be a hard pass from me for once.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 12:51:15


Post by: Overread


https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sector-Imperialis-Manufactorum-2019

It seems like a lot of money for really not very much terrain at all! That's what one wall segment with a bit of a corner for a big chunk of money!


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 13:05:14


Post by: MarkNorfolk


That does seem steep. I'd I've thought there would have been double that pictured amount for the price. An 'aesthetic link' isn't enough of a hook...


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 13:11:34


Post by: Overread


MarkNorfolk wrote:
That does seem steep. I'd I've thought there would have been double that pictured amount for the price. An 'aesthetic link' isn't enough of a hook...


Agreed, double the content and it would seem more fair at that price.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 13:17:49


Post by: Geifer


MarkNorfolk wrote:
That does seem steep. I'd I've thought there would have been double that pictured amount for the price. An 'aesthetic link' isn't enough of a hook...


The aesthetic link is probably exactly why they think they can get away with it. People have already invested in a collection of Imperialis and Mechanicus buildings, and isn't it convenient that you buy this box and tie both collections together? For a small fee, of course...

It's not like it does anything by itself. It's a wall. That's the only merit it has.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 13:25:47


Post by: lord_blackfang


For 8 panels and change... seems broadly in line with the Sector Imperialis line outside bundles, and frankly, I consider the whole line unacceptably pricy outside bundles. That's why everybody was trying to get hold of the Kill Team starter, was it not?


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 13:31:05


Post by: Tastyfish


 Overread wrote:
MarkNorfolk wrote:
That does seem steep. I'd I've thought there would have been double that pictured amount for the price. An 'aesthetic link' isn't enough of a hook...


Agreed, double the content and it would seem more fair at that price.


Double the price and quadruple the content would be a prime candidate for a Christmas box.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 14:12:01


Post by: happy_inquisitor


 ScarletRose wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
It actually is...ever since the first person traded things, and we started using currency. Supply and demand is an absolutely fundamental concept in any civilization.


Price gouging? Sure it's a law of the universe




GW have raised the prices of some items in line with the rate of inflation since the last time they raised the prices of those items some years ago. This is not price gouging. Get some perspective here people.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 15:23:11


Post by: Sigismund HRE


Have you tried making scratch built terrain that is as detailed as that? It is very hard to do and incredibly time consuming, probably at least 10 hours( plus the cost of materials) or more to hand build a replica of that. It is much easier to go to work for 10 hours, use that money to buy the kit and have plenty left over for rest of life. I think the price is fair, it may be a lot compared to laser cut mdf terrain you can get but while they can be nice they are very flat and lack the detail plastic kits offer.




 Overread wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sector-Imperialis-Manufactorum-2019

It seems like a lot of money for really not very much terrain at all! That's what one wall segment with a bit of a corner for a big chunk of money!


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 15:25:43


Post by: Saturmorn Carvilli


 lord_blackfang wrote:
For 8 panels and change... seems broadly in line with the Sector Imperialis line outside bundles, and frankly, I consider the whole line unacceptably pricy outside bundles. That's why everybody was trying to get hold of the Kill Team starter, was it not?


I picked up the Kill Team starter to have a self contained game that I could also use my existing 40k collection. I will say I like the terrain that came in the box. It was enough to easily play Kill Team without the board feeling too empty. I enjoyed painting the Skitarii which is my friend's favorite faction. I can't say much about the Genestealer Cult as they are still in the base coat phase and constantly getting pushed back. I don't like there isn't a starter on the market as I enjoy Kill Team far more than regular 40k. I kinda makes it seem like GW isn't supporting Kill Team. I know they are, but potiental new players might not.

I am finding most of GW terrain too expensive even when bundled with Kill Team starters. I have been wanting to pick up a couple of Kill Team starter boxes, but I find that many are just a $30-$40 troop box, a terrain piece and cards. So far, I have just bypassed picking up the starter and bought 2 troop boxes instead. I spend a little more than the starter set, but I have enough miniatures to field a full 100 point kill team with options. I though the price in British pounds was too expensive for that terrain piece. Let alone checking what it would be in American dollars. I could see GW trying to throw it in with a box of marine scouts or Chaos Space Marines to create another Kill Team starter though. Of course, I still think it would be too expensive.

As for the price increase, I never used GW paints and never plan to. GW paints are too expensive before the price increase (and can't be found for cheap as easily) and I prefer dropper bottles.
I was starting to lean toward picking up the Chaos Space Marine start collecting as I could use a Chaos Lord in Terminator armor, 10 more basic CSM and a non-Dark Vengeance Hellbrute. It was nothing I would field too often but all potential nice options for future lists. I never did pick it before because I didn't think it was that good of a value except when I could find it for 20% off. When I did find it for 20% off, there were more attractive Start Collecting boxes I wanted more. However, I basically have all the start collecting sets I want especially now that I want to play Kill Team far more than I ever want to play 40k. So GW is definitely priced me out of getting anymore Start Collecting boxes.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 15:34:44


Post by: angel of death 007


happy_inquisitor wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
It actually is...ever since the first person traded things, and we started using currency. Supply and demand is an absolutely fundamental concept in any civilization.


Price gouging? Sure it's a law of the universe




GW have raised the prices of some items in line with the rate of inflation since the last time they raised the prices of those items some years ago. This is not price gouging. Get some perspective here people.


Ya it is only gouging if you live in Australia or the USA, then it is the definition of gouging.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 17:05:37


Post by: happy_inquisitor


angel of death 007 wrote:


Ya it is only gouging if you live in Australia or the USA, then it is the definition of gouging.


Which is pretty much the definition of hyperbole. Well done.

It is not a sudden spike in price. It is not localised. It is not on an essential item that you cannot afford to not purchase. It is not being pushed by anyone in a monopoly position.It really fits none of the characteristics of price gouging. I believe parts of the US actually have laws against price gouging and therefore a proper legal definition of what it means. This does not fit that legal definition so by the definition of states in the USA it is *not* price gouging.

Or hey, prove me wrong by trying to bring a prosecution against GW for price gouging on their little paint pots. Good luck with that.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 17:26:11


Post by: Polonius


Why does GW keep increasing prices?

Why does a dog lick it's balls?

Because it can.

If you are not selling your goods at the optimal point on the supply demand curve, you are turning down money. GW paints are already by far the most expensive. People keep buying them. That suggest that demand is not purely elastic. If I were a shareholder, I'd want GW to try to push that limit.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 18:51:25


Post by: Eldarsif


With the prices of the new terrain kits I am beginning to miss the old sector imperialis that offered fun for hours. Thankfully I have enough of it.

GW seems to be on a weird bender when it comes to pricing terrain. Personally I think they should aim for cheaper as it is hard enough already to get people to buy them(at least here). Every year there is a sale in my FLGS and many of the terrain kits released over the year are on discount just to get rid of them.

The cheaper, older kits sold much better.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/12 19:26:27


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oh I’d say the new terrain is leagues ahead of the old stuff. And lord knows I’ve bought a poop load of it (actually about to build my Sanctum and some scatter pieces).

But this one? I dunno, it just seems overly pricey. Perhaps that’s down to me finding it a pretty dull bit of terrain. Literally just walls. Nothing feature about it.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/19 17:23:04


Post by: Orlanth


Are the Killzone boxes included in the price hike?

I have plans on a large number of sector Mechanicus boxsets to fill my 40K table.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/19 17:26:51


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 lord_blackfang wrote:
For 8 panels and change... seems broadly in line with the Sector Imperialis line outside bundles, and frankly, I consider the whole line unacceptably pricy outside bundles. That's why everybody was trying to get hold of the Kill Team starter, was it not?
The individual buildings cost as much as the Cities of Death Imperial Sector, and that had 3.5 buildings in it.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/19 17:28:39


Post by: beast_gts


 Orlanth wrote:
Are the Killzone boxes included in the price hike?

They've only announced increases on the Start Collecting! sets and paints.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/19 19:25:51


Post by: Fenrir Kitsune


beast_gts wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Are the Killzone boxes included in the price hike?

They've only announced increases on the Start Collecting! sets and paints.



For the moment.....


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/20 01:19:12


Post by: Toofast


beast_gts wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Are the Killzone boxes included in the price hike?

They've only announced increases on the Start Collecting! sets and paints.


They just increased Forgeworld prices 30-40% overnight for US buyers in August. Then they wonder why their FW sales declined when overall GW sales went up by almost 30M pounds. It's almost like an overnight price hike of 30-40% on products that already have complaints about high prices causes people to stop buying them. Forgeworld was just barely at the edge of justification for a lot of people at the old price. I wouldn't be surprised to see other price raises in 2019-2020. GW are making too many sales so they're going to do their best to kill the goodwill they've earned during the Rountree era...


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/20 02:05:52


Post by: CragHack


Where are the numbers about declined FW sales? I'm genuinely interested.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/20 03:21:57


Post by: angel of death 007


Once FW changed over to their rediculous conversion rate of GW i stopped buying from them. The knock off casts are just as good if not better for about 20 percent the price. When GW started to raise the prices I just bought my 3d printer. I actually 3d print a lot of impressive terrain for several different games i play. Also 3d printed a Warhound or atleast a varient and it is a great stand in model. God for bid if something was to happen to it i wouldn't need to cry as it costed about $20 in material and about two weeks worth of spare time (for the machine not me).

Prices will continue to rise until people make a stand and say enough is enough, if people are willing to just accept it then why should they lower the price. There are a ton of legit and illegit options out there. By raising their prices they just enable others who can do it cheaper to do it. 3d printers are seriously a lot of fun for anyone who has never tried them and I bought a cheap one and it works so great I had to buy a 2nd one this year... new and improved with a bigger print bed, can stop and restart without reprinting entire print, and no more having to scrape the item off and then have to relevel the bed, 3d printing got a lot easier. Most of the time wasted was in leveling the dang printer bed and what caused it to become unlevel was scrapping the items off it in the first place.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/20 08:53:48


Post by: Galas


 CragHack wrote:
Where are the numbers about declined FW sales? I'm genuinely interested.

In the last report both FW and Black library sales have declined. Normal sales are up but lower than the last report.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/20 08:54:57


Post by: TwilightSparkles


The "numbers" were referenced in GW's latest financial report which noted declining FW and BL sales , it was , I think, down to £3.6 million from £4.2

Personally I don't think the international sales situation is the problem. Rather, the output of both. FW has put time and effort into specialist games. No one I know plays these or buys them. FW also now has a lot of kits out of production, and have blatantly neglected Heresy last year, with AoS also nearly abandoned.

Lowering the UK free shipping amount will almost certainly have made up for lost international sales because we were being charged 3-4 times the amount it actually costs for something £120 ish.

Black Library sales.... well from a personal perspective they have had too many limited editions and rereleased a lot of stuff. The current storylines feel boring and it's only the Heresy series that got my money. Deciding to split this into a new series was very annoying.

Overall I think they have gotten too confident after the last couple of years and possibly plateaued sales wise for a while until the next iteration of 40k. Too much too fast.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/20 11:13:02


Post by: Overread


One aspect to remember is we don't know if BL or FW was the weaker link or if both were the weak link as their values were combined. So it could be BL is even on the up. Another aspect with BL is that we don't know if their sales report includes BL direct sales and Amazon sales or not. It could be that overall sales of BL novels and audiobooks are up, but that more are buying from Amazon rather than from BL direct - and thus lowering the profits of BL direct without actually lowering book sales overall.

Knowing the spread of the international system would also be important as would how specialist games are specifically categorised. For most of them they are sold through GW stores and 3rd parties, so all the plastic components might be selling really well, but are being classified as central GW profits not FW profits; whilst the only ones FW is cleaning up on are the resin addons - so mercenaries, critters, heads and such.


So there are some specific details that this report doesn't shine a light on that would explain in more detail the patterns of sales and what has gone on over the last year or so. Also we have to remember that a dip in profits isn't bad, its just a dip and the FW end is still making profit overall (and into the millions). It could be that the dip in FW sales is a reflection of the rise in GW central sales. With a big year of new codex releases and Battletomes it could just be that this last financial period people have been buying central GW products way more over FW products and that once the codex/Battletome mania steadies down, FW could pick up sales in a few years as a reflection of all the new and returned gamers hitting their central GW limits on models they want/need and then shifting over to extras that FW offers.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/31 22:16:45


Post by: lord_blackfang


Heads up, as of today Wayland has a huge stock of SC kits all listed at the OLD price.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/31 22:58:36


Post by: Overread


 lord_blackfang wrote:
Heads up, as of today Wayland has a huge stock of SC kits all listed at the OLD price.


One part of me really wants to thank you for this heads up!

The part of me that wanted to try and save some money, however, doesn't Though no really thanks for the heads up! I might might grab a skaven box even though I'm not a big fan of pestilent skaven the bell and lightning gun are such powerful iconic units one cannot pass them up!


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/01/31 23:08:37


Post by: lord_blackfang


Happy to help, I'd be grabbing a few myself if my card weren't maxed out.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 12:49:30


Post by: DanceOfSlaanesh


The new prices are up, always disheartening to see


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 12:59:49


Post by: Overread


Aye but at least we get head warning and a few 3rd party stores were able to get stock. Plus even with the rise they are still cheaper than getting the models on their own so there's still a saving going on for gamers


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 14:19:44


Post by: Ouze


 Overread wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sector-Imperialis-Manufactorum-2019

It seems like a lot of money for really not very much terrain at all! That's what one wall segment with a bit of a corner for a big chunk of money!


Kind of a tangent, but you know what blows my mind? I clicked your link, and it brought me to the UK site, which is fine; that's what you linked - though a smarter site would have autodetected, but OK.

But as always, when you switch locales so I can see the current currency, it loses the page you're on and dumps everything out of your cart.

I have never seen any other site on the entire goddamn internet that needs to dump your cart to switch currencies other that GWS\FW. It's one thing to expect them to handle what their much smaller contemporaries can do in terms of casting resin that isn't hot garbage running a basic e-commerce site - Maxmini, Puppets War, Victoria Miniatures, and so on can do this.

But I mean, I think even the most basic Wordpress free e-commerce plugin can do this. It's absolutely wild.

/gears firmly grinded




GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 14:58:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


with the number of folks having heart attacks when they accidentally see AUS pricing on the GW site if it didn't dump your cart we'd see loads of accidental ordering in the wrong currency from the wrong GW warehouse

and since so many people never read what they're clicking properly they'd only realise when the stuff showed up late (with customs charges for some of them) or they saw a foreign currency transaction fee on their CC statement

the smaller places don't have to worry about goods being sent from diferent countries since they're all in one place

now GW could make you create an account on each GW , that might regional site like amazon or ebay do instead that might work,


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 15:00:19


Post by: Cryptek of Awesome


 Ouze wrote:
 Overread wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sector-Imperialis-Manufactorum-2019

It seems like a lot of money for really not very much terrain at all! That's what one wall segment with a bit of a corner for a big chunk of money!


Kind of a tangent, but you know what blows my mind? I clicked your link, and it brought me to the UK site, which is fine; that's what you linked - though a smarter site would have autodetected, but OK.

But as always, when you switch locales so I can see the current currency, it loses the page you're on and dumps everything out of your cart.

I have never seen any other site on the entire goddamn internet that needs to dump your cart to switch currencies other that GWS\FW. It's one thing to expect them to handle what their much smaller contemporaries can do in terms of casting resin that isn't hot garbage running a basic e-commerce site - Maxmini, Puppets War, Victoria Miniatures, and so on can do this.

But I mean, I think even the most basic Wordpress free e-commerce plugin can do this. It's absolutely wild.

/gears firmly grinded



Yeah that has bugged me for a long time too - on the surface it's a pretty minor irritation but it makes it hard to have a discussion in an international community like this. Especially if you're trying to compare prices across a couple of countries.

Another vote for Manufactorum being boring - it's already expensive for a building of that size and there's just nothing going on there. The old one at least had a smoke-stack


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 15:05:42


Post by: Kawauso


Well the new prices in CAD aren't all that terrible, honestly. The SC boxes went from a flat 100 each to 110 for most. A few are 115 - likely based on the value of their contents, comparatively (i.e. Tau).

So while I'm not happy about an increase, at least it's not so substantial that it makes these boxes not worth getting. Still, I'd like to see some new ones come out that maybe offer a different spread of models for each faction...perhaps at the old price point. I know that's unlikely, but I can dream. :/


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 15:36:56


Post by: Overread


I think the reason the GW store does it is likely because they've tied to the store to a real time inventory system which varies depending on what country you're ordering from. So what is in stock or even stocked in one country can be very different to another. If you look there are some products (mostly bundled blocks of models) that don't repeat in some territories but are on the UK site.

So I can see logic in having each region on its own side system since its each managing its own inventory. Many other stores might well just change the currency because they are either not tied to a live stock system and/or they are just one warehouse so its only got to monitor one stock take.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 15:54:10


Post by: beast_gts


Odd - Start Collecting! Space Wolves is still listed at £50


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 15:55:38


Post by: Kanluwen


beast_gts wrote:
Odd - Start Collecting! Space Wolves is still listed at £50

Not odd. Three of them(Space Wolves, Khorne Bloodbound Goreblade Warband, Stormcast Eternals Thunderstrike Brotherhood) remained at the previous price...and we saw with the price list awhile ago that it was going to keep 3 at the old prices.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 16:00:41


Post by: beast_gts


 Kanluwen wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
Odd - Start Collecting! Space Wolves is still listed at £50

Not odd. Three of them(Space Wolves, Khorne Bloodbound Goreblade Warband, Stormcast Eternals Thunderstrike Brotherhood) remained at the previous price...and we saw with the price list awhile ago that it was going to keep 3 at the old prices.


Ah, I'd missed the list on page 7. The one on page 9 had it listed at £60.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 16:03:08


Post by: Eldarsif


I am wondering when we get to see the new SC boxes that were in the original leak like Idoneth.


GW price rise - 4th February @ 2019/02/04 16:24:21


Post by: EnTyme


Probably in the next couple weeks. I can't think of anything else that's been previewed that hasn't released other than the stuff up for preorder next weekend and Vigilus 2.