I really dont get why they just didnt recast her.
Was there really no one who could have looked like Kate with a little make up and hair?
Is hollywood really lacking in skinny white women? Just mess with the hair and a little make up and its fine.
Its amazing what hair can do to make you look different.
The whole issue is like that. Its very political, which is not a complaint, just an observation. That’s Ryan’s only page in the whole special longer issue 50 though.
If you're hankering for actually GOOD Batman content, go (re)watch Batman The Animated Series (the one from the 90s). Tidbit: It was animated on black paper, which gives it its unique feel. When a show is so good it actually causes the comics to introduce Harley Quin AND reboot Dr. Freeze's backstory, you know it has to be good. Also watch Justice League and Batman Beyond (+The Return of the Joker movie), both super solid shows.
The Red Hood animated movie is also superb (John DiMaggio does a good job as the Joker, though of course Mark Hamill will always be The Joker in my mind). Other Batman standouts are Assault on Arkham and The Dark Knight Returns. Justice League Dark is also good. The Killing Joke adaptation is dreck, do not watch it.
On topic: The suit and hair are stupid. Just another hand-hold for someone to grab.
Compel wrote: These gosh darned modern day comics and their politicalness.
Wish it was like the old days, 40 years ago.
Spoiler:
Im not really complaining about them being political, I love it when comics are written politically. Just the way that was written was really bad, it felt like some bad advertisement from a rival candidate.
You carry on being outraged if it makes you feel better. I've been pretty happy with all of the casting in Titans so far, so see no reason to object to them continuing to cast whoever they see fit.
I'm personally less interested in the colour of his skin than with whether or not the character is good.
Tim Drake was originally a poverty stricken child criminal. What are you trying to say HBO? < Sarcasm
Tim Drake had loving, if not rather absentee parents (until they died, a relatively long time after he became Robin if I remember right) and was basically a fanboy who realised that Batman was going off the rails in the wake of Jason Todds death and was smart enough to actually figure out Bruces identity, literally showed up on Wayne Manors doorstep and said, 'look, you need a Robin to keep you in check. It's going to be me, I'm not taking no as an answer.'
The poverty stricken child criminal who stole the wheels off the Batmobile?
That's Jason Todd. You know, the kid who has been in Titans since season 1.
Tim Drake was originally a poverty stricken child criminal. What are you trying to say HBO? < Sarcasm
Tim Drake had loving, if not rather absentee parents (until they died, a relatively long time after he became Robin if I remember right) and was basically a fanboy who realised that Batman was going off the rails in the wake of Jason Todds death and was smart enough to actually figure out Bruces identity, literally showed up on Wayne Manors doorstep and said, 'look, you need a Robin to keep you in check. It's going to be me, I'm not taking no as an answer.'
The poverty stricken child criminal who stole the wheels off the Batmobile?
That's Jason Todd. You know, the kid who has been in Titans since season 1.
That was a brutal murder truly worthy of the Titans. Although was Jason in 1? I thought he didn’t showed up till 2.
Yara Flor is the new Wonder Woman in the upcoming Future State series. Flor is an Amazonian Warrior and Brazilian River God who takes up the mantle of Wonder Girl. Diana is still around in the future as Immortal Wonder Woman in a separate comic series.
If you don't know who this Wonder Girl is, don't worry, no one else does either. The comic series introducing her isn't even out yet.
Yara Flor is the new Wonder Woman in the upcoming Future State series. Flor is an Amazonian Warrior and Brazilian River God who takes up the mantle of Wonder Girl. Diana is still around in the future as Immortal Wonder Woman in a separate comic series.
If you don't know who this Wonder Girl is, don't worry, no one else does either. The comic series introducing her isn't even out yet.
They give us the Justice League in the Hall of Justice and before they even have a proper teamup, most of the seats will be gone.
In saying that, I'd really like some other characters to cross over to other shows. - I'd REALLY love a Legion of Superheroes crossover to the Flash (With Jessica Parker Kennedy as Jenny Ognats, to cause Barry and Iris a REAL mess of feelings).
Abother thing I would have loved to see...
Iris does an expose on Supergirl, Nia Nal does one on Flash. They're both 'day in the life' episodes.
I think shows cancelling kinda shows the fault in the idea of a shared universes, Especiallly with TV shows. Eventually the favorites and core are going to start drying up, with supergirl and Arrow gone, thats 2 of the 3 originals gone. Legends is off doing its own thing while drinking the bong water. Batwomen iis kinda.......weird. It leaves just the flash which is starting to lose speed.
Expecially when shows have different themes that can actually clash with one another.
IT seems MCU has the momentum to keep going, but its possible that at this point, it might have been lightning in a bottle
I don't think the shared universe is inherently a problem, they just need to make sure that they choose spinoff start actually have something different to add, and keep the writing entertaining.
Although from a down under perspective, keeping them all on the same fething streaming service would have been helpful, also.
Benoist's pregnancy basically made her a guest star in her own show for half the season and the Crisis cross over means the writers can just alter and ignore anything that's gone before. The only good part is Jon Cryer's Luthor, he is just too much fun. The season would have been so much better if it had been about Luthor faking his death and becoming head of the DEO instead of 'Crisis did it!'.
Y'know forget the Superman and Lois show, I want to see a show about the world's smartest man fighting a guerilla war against the world's strongest man.
So anyone check out the new Batwoman? They really went cold turkey on Kate. They didn’t even get Ruby to be the voice of Kate narrating a letter she left behind in the event of her death.
IDK, her not even showing up to pass the torch seems really unprofessional.
I wouldn't be surprised is she doesn't get much work, especially on TV shows after this. She is looking really bad RN
hotsauceman1 wrote: IDK, her not even showing up to pass the torch seems really unprofessional.
I wouldn't be surprised is she doesn't get much work, especially on TV shows after this. She is looking really bad RN
I mean apparently she hurt herself pretty badly during Batwoman, and it's not like she's Tom Cruse who can afford the risk for poopies and giggles.
AduroT wrote: I get not wanting to do stuff in person, but they could have at least recorded her reading the letter.
Letters and stuff like that are, IMO, always an iffy thing as a plot mechanic. I like them not having Rose read it--it meant a bit more to the scene having the voice be the character reading it rather than the writer for me.
I hated the bat thing so much. Bats eat rats? I’m sorry what? Duct taping a rat to your dead friend you poisoned so a giant swarm of bats will descend on the corpse and bite it and become infected with the poison then go on to bite other people and infect them with the poison is pants on head stupid. I like the plan of Why she poisoned them and for what end, but the means was just way beyond dumb and it makes me angry.
I like the new actress so far. General story is pretty par for the usual drama. I would have preferred Kate’s dad took a bit longer to find out Batwoman wasn’t the same person.
I was really pleasantly surprised. It had great cinematography. Like they really wanted it to look like Man of Steel, but with Clark portrayed as a deeper, more relatable person. I'm not sure I would like it as much if I had watched it before I was a father myself.
Will it have the standard CW drama? Yeah, probably, otherwise the sons wouldn't be teenagers. But it still felt different from the "Heroes being sad" like in the other DC shows.
I've been rewatching Arrow over lockdown, I'm kinda surprised that by season 5, they're actually getting pretty good at telling each other the latest secret within the same episode.
Like, the format now is:
1) Find out secret
2) Consult with 3rd party about the secret for their opinion
3) Tell the relevant person the secret
Within the same episode.
Ok, sure there's still A WHOLE LOT of secrets to find out, but it's also like, hey, the characters are maturing some and being less daft.
It's a big switch-up from Smallville, which I've also been rewatching recently, and its merry go round of lies and gaslighting.
Like, one episode, Ollie accidentally shoots and kills a friend of another character. There's a few shots of handwringing, then he goes, "hey, I've got something to tell you, I'm really sorry that... It was an accident..."
If it was Smallville, this would have been like a 2 season long storyarc of lies and deception, probably including a 'Weekend at Bernies' inspired episode where they try to pretend the dead person is still alive.
AduroT wrote: New Superman series premier is really good. Way different tone than the other CW shows. I strongly recommend checking it out.
Don't really pay much attention to actual TV of late, but I looked this up after seeing it discussed and neat. I like this premise. I liked the first episode. Is this meant to be an actual sequel to the old TV show with Supes and Lois, or Smallville, or is it more of a spiritual successor? It feels almost like it could be a sequel. Some bold choices here either way. I appreciate them. I kind of fell out of the CW shows after I think season 2 of Supergirl? Glad I watched this. If nothing else the first episode captures Superman a lot better than many other attempts in the past few years while simultaneously adding some novel elements. It's maybe not exactly what I like most from the character, but points for doing a better job than everyone else in a while.
I do kind of wish the costume didn't look so cheap. Kind of cheesy looking to me. I don't mind it that much :/
I think 'spiritual successor' to Smallville is the way to phrase it. - Some vaguely similar things to Smallville happened earlier in his life, but not exactly.
Of course, it's worth saying that Superman & Lois briefly met Smallville's Clark during Crisis on Infinite Earths.
It's not actually a successor to Smallville, or Lois & Clark.
It's its own thing, but as part of the Arrowverse, as the characters first got their start in Supergirl (and had their histories re-written during the Crisis crossover last year, where they went from having one infant son to two teenage sons).
Compel wrote: I think 'spiritual successor' to Smallville is the way to phrase it. - Some vaguely similar things to Smallville happened earlier in his life, but not exactly.
Of course, it's worth saying that Superman & Lois briefly met Smallville's Clark during Crisis on Infinite Earths.
And Arrowverse Lois couldn't quite hide the look the multiverse had shortchanged her with her Clark on either Earth Smallville or Earth Kingdom Come
hotsauceman1 wrote: I wouldn't be surprised is she doesn't get much work, especially on TV shows after this.
I was going to point out she's in Sky's upcoming Andy McNab / SAS thing (Red Notice), but after checking it looks like it was filmed a while ago (first-look images came out at the start of 2019).
H.B.M.C. wrote: It's not actually a successor to Smallville, or Lois & Clark.
It's its own thing, but as part of the Arrowverse, as the characters first got their start in Supergirl (and had their histories re-written during the Crisis crossover last year, where they went from having one infant son to two teenage sons).
Ah okay. So I missed that bit cause I stopped watching Supergirl.
Spoiler:
Curious about the Luthor fellow. He doesn't seem like a typical Lex. Time traveler?
hotsauceman1 wrote: I wouldn't be surprised is she doesn't get much work, especially on TV shows after this.
I was going to point out she's in Sky's upcoming Andy McNab / SAS thing (Red Notice), but after checking it looks like it was filmed a while ago (first-look images came out at the start of 2019).
All indications from the cast+crew seemed to point towards them not being super upset with Rose. There's the usual tabloid "OMG BEHIND THE SCENES DRAMA!!!" stuff...but Rose did comment quite often that she was not expecting how demanding TV vs film would be. It seems like transitioning from film to TV is a bit of a system shock because of shooting schedules vs going from TV to film.
Genuinely feel like if there were hard feelings, Kate would just be dead.
LordofHats wrote:
Ah okay. So I missed that bit cause I stopped watching Supergirl.
Spoiler:
Curious about the Luthor fellow. He doesn't seem like a typical Lex. Time traveler?
Spoiler:
Remains to be seen. Given that he makes comments about "his world" and that his complexion is a lot darker than the Lex Luthor we have as a figure in the current, post-Crisis universe...I'd say he's from one of the alternate universes. There's some rumors going around that he might be from an InJustice styled world but it plays heavily off the fact that one of the boys was playing InJustice.
On the subject of lies and secrets, Batwoman not telling the people she works with about the freakish necrotic wound that just keeps getting worse she got from the special anti-Batwoman bullet.
AegisGrimm wrote: I was really pleasantly surprised. It had great cinematography. Like they really wanted it to look like Man of Steel, but with Clark portrayed as a deeper, more relatable person. I'm not sure I would like it as much if I had watched it before I was a father myself.
So what I heard is that HBO Max is involved with S & L. That they're helping out some with the budget, and then HBO Max will become the home for past seasons. Win-win.
I'm not sure about Luthor though, I think Lex is still doing Supergirl things 'in world.' - Though I haven't seen the show yet.
Looking at the cast list, it might very well being time travel or universe shenanigans and a 'different' Luthor.
I'm kinda sad they recast Sam Lane and Morgan Edge though. Nathan Petrelli as Morgan Edge was great in Supergirl Season 3. However, both of them can easily be explained as 'post-Crisis' changes to the world.
I've not seen the episode yet, because UK. But it's always something I've felt uneasy about.
James Gunn is fired by Disney for the same thing, immediately hired by WB, then eventually hired back by Disney.
I know it's subsidiaries and megacompanies and stuff, but the inconsistency still troubles me some.
On the other hand, maybe there is more stuff behind the scenes. Gunn effectively had an outpouring of affection from his coworkers that influenced his rehiring.
There wasn't the same for Sawyer, if anything, the opposite if I remember right. - Though I could very well be remembering wrongly.
So maybe there was something more behind the scenes... I kinda hope there's something more, to be honest. Cause yeah, it kind of doesn't sit right if there was honest contrition from Sawyers end.
Compel wrote: There wasn't the same for Sawyer, if anything, the opposite if I remember right. - Though I could very well be remembering wrongly.
Everyone immediately fell into line, with none other than the series lead, Grant Gustin, releasing a mealy-mouthed non-committal "We support the people blah blah blah" statement that couldn't've been more generic if he tried.
They all abandoned him in an instant, even they didn't specifically or explicitly condemn him. They can't support him because cancel culture loves to splash that tar and feathers around without any regard to whom they destroy.
IDK if anyone cares but the Actor who is playing Mick Rory left halfway through the season. It seems he didnt like it that much.
Leaving us with just 1 of the originals left. 2 if you count steel(I kinda do because he was there from the second season and slotted in so well)
Watching tonight’s episode of Superman, and the scene where he’s working on the suit.
Spoiler:
Me: Man, this is weird. It’s very Steel-esque with the way he’s doing this and the daughter. I wonder how people will feel about them putting Steel’s story onto an alternate earth Lex.
2 minutes later.
Our database matches him to a dude called John Henry Irons.
Man, they’re really going all in with fake exits from the show this season of Flash it feels. Frost goes to jail, promises to serve her time and stay there, big emotional thing with Kaitlyn. Next episode she stops a jailbreak and gets let out for good behavior. Iris is having some issue and has to be kept quarantined and away for awhile until they’re able to solve it and Barry gets all sad an emotional. Next episode she’s back, oh yeah he was able to fix me it turns out. They do a couple episode build up to Sisco moving away and leaving. Whole big good bye thing. That one lasted a couple episodes but he’s already back again.
AduroT wrote: Man, they’re really going all in with fake exits from the show this season of Flash it feels. Frost goes to jail, promises to serve her time and stay there, big emotional thing with Kaitlyn. Next episode she stops a jailbreak and gets let out for good behavior. Iris is having some issue and has to be kept quarantined and away for awhile until they’re able to solve it and Barry gets all sad an emotional. Next episode she’s back, oh yeah he was able to fix me it turns out. They do a couple episode build up to Sisco moving away and leaving. Whole big good bye thing. That one lasted a couple episodes but he’s already back again.
Its the CW curse, as Aunt Z once observed "Something that supposedly changes everything, but in truth, nothing changes. Everything just resets."
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Azreal13 wrote: A significant necro, but it's new information and really not worth a thread if it's own.
The BBC have just started trailing Superman And Lois to debut next Saturday evening.
Really surprised with this, thought Channel 4 would have picked it up if Sky passed, but no adverts is always a plus.
Something half decent on BBC1 on Saturday night ? Inconceivable
I watched the first episode of the new season of Flash but I think I’m just checked out at this point. I think after how excellent the Marvel shows are the CW DC stuff is just too campy. Except Superman, that one was pretty good and I’ll definitely hit up the next season of that when it comes around.
AduroT wrote: I watched the first episode of the new season of Flash but I think I’m just checked out at this point. I think after how excellent the Marvel shows are the CW DC stuff is just too campy. Except Superman, that one was pretty good and I’ll definitely hit up the next season of that when it comes around.
I don't think that the problem is the campiness. It's that it (Flash) just isn't very good. And hasn't been for awhile.
I think the Arrowverse stuff is very much written for the CW target demographic, and is still trying to teach a lesson every week about some self actualising gak or friendship or doing the right thing or whatever.
This is always going to hurt it when viewed by people outside of the target demo who likely have enough life experience to feel a bit patronised by it.
The MCU stuff seems to know it's talking to a broader audience and consequently, while not immune to that, is also tackling bigger more grown up things and doing so in a way that doesn't smack you in the face because they're aware they don't need to hold their whole audience's hand through everything.
See I feel like once Riverdale blew up, CW started transitioning their shows to be a bitore like that. First few seasons of arrow, flash and supergirl where good.
Bit now it's mostly based around Drama I feel and less about the superheros
THR wrote:Batwoman’ Canceled After 3 Seasons on The CW Showrunner Caroline Dries shared the news on social media Friday.
Batwoman’s time in Gotham has come to an end. The CW has canceled the DC Comics drama after three seasons. Showrunner Caroline Dries shared the news on social media Friday.
“Just got the sad news that Batwoman will not be seeing [season four],” Dries wrote on Twitter. “I am bummed, but full of gratitude. What an honor to make 51 episodes.”
The cancellation comes a month after Batwoman aired its third season (and now series) finale on the network. It also comes as The CW’s owners, Warner Bros. Discovery and Paramount Global, are exploring a sale of the broadcaster, with local TV station giant Nexstar considered a possible buyer. That has led to speculation that the network would pare back its slate of scripted series.
More at the link.
Not a massive shock. The show lasted a season more than many of us thought it would.
Variety wrote:DC’s Legends of Tomorrow’ Canceled at the CW “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow” has been canceled at the CW after seven seasons, Variety has confirmed.
Co-showrunner and executive producer Keto Shimizu confirmed the news on Twitter Friday evening, writing: “Well, folks. It’s been an incredible run. However, the CW has let us know that there will be no Season 8 of #LegendsOfTomorrow. We are heartbroken, but also immensely grateful for the amazing work our cast, crew and writers have contributed to the little show that could.”
Based on the characters of DC Comics, “Legends of Tomorrow” was set in the Arrowverse and featured characters from “Arrow” and “The Flash.” It first premiered in January 2016. The Season 7 finale — which now marks the end of the series — aired on March 2.
So that leaves only Naomi and Superman & Lois now, right? Naomi has been mediocre, sharing little with the comic version. I’ve been enjoying their Superman though.
Ah, duh, Flash. Checked out on that one this season but I do rather like Stargirl as well.
Naomi Could be connected, but right now it isn’t. So far it seems to be established that this is a very mundane universe with no natural aliens or super powers. All the aliens (and there’s seems to be a lot of them actually…) and the protagonist are from other universe/s in the Multiverse. Superman has the Briefest of cameos in the very beginning, and it’s the Arrowverse actor, but there’s no dialogue or anything to establish if he’s actually the same one from Superman & Lois, and nothing else yet ties them together either.
THR wrote:Batwoman’ Canceled After 3 Seasons on The CW Showrunner Caroline Dries shared the news on social media Friday.
Batwoman’s time in Gotham has come to an end. The CW has canceled the DC Comics drama after three seasons. Showrunner Caroline Dries shared the news on social media Friday.
“Just got the sad news that Batwoman will not be seeing [season four],” Dries wrote on Twitter. “I am bummed, but full of gratitude. What an honor to make 51 episodes.”
The cancellation comes a month after Batwoman aired its third season (and now series) finale on the network. It also comes as The CW’s owners, Warner Bros. Discovery and Paramount Global, are exploring a sale of the broadcaster, with local TV station giant Nexstar considered a possible buyer. That has led to speculation that the network would pare back its slate of scripted series.
More at the link.
Not a massive shock. The show lasted a season more than many of us thought it would.
And at least 2 seasons longer than it ever should have.
It wasn't good with Ruby Rose & somehow got ever worse....
Just checking out this thread. I was totally into Arrow seasons 1-2, Supergirl season1, and the Flash season 1. I also caught the occassional LoT episode.
Honestly, I think many of these shows lasted at least a season too long. Supergirl should have been canned two seasons earlier, and Batwoman was hot garbage out the gate. I tried to give Black Lightning a chance as he was a favorite of mine in the comics, and actually liked aspects of the show, but certain things about it were a bit on the nose, so to speak.
Speaking of Black Lightning, that's canceled too, right?
Black Lightning finished last year. Unlike these two, it got to go out its own terms (almost, one of the main cast leaving 6 episodes in threw a spanner in the works somewhat).
AduroT wrote: So that leaves only Naomi and Superman & Lois now, right? Naomi has been mediocre, sharing little with the comic version. I’ve been enjoying their Superman though.
Naomi has been canceled (along with a slew of other shows)...
AduroT wrote: So that leaves only Naomi and Superman & Lois now, right? Naomi has been mediocre, sharing little with the comic version. I’ve been enjoying their Superman though.
Naomi has been canceled (along with a slew of other shows)...
I do. Gunn clearly has no problem making a TV show with movie characters. Something WB has been incredibly hesitant to do for the most part. Batman could never show up in Arrow because of it. Ted Cord was replaced with Ray Palmer because they were "working" on a Blue Beetle and Booster Gold movie.
I don’t wanna say it’s because of that simply because they’ve already been long in the process of canceling all the CW shows. Likely more a “happy” coincidence/bonus for Gunn.
Also of note is Stargirl is only tangentially part of the Arrowverse. They’re on a separate Earth from the main shows, and I don’t think have ever directly crossed over. I believe just a little shot shown when they were showing a montage of the multiverse being recreated or something. I think they even included the Titans show in that?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Do we think this is all part of the Great Reset? Just close everything off, begin again?
I don't believe Gunn and Safran had anything to do with the cancellation of 'Stargirl', especially in light of the decision to focus on John Stewart in the upcoming HBO Max 'Green Lantern' series made it clear that the change wasn't due to Gunn and Safran's hiring. The cancellation of 'Stargirl' is just another change by the CW's new ownership.
We've already seen several major effects of Nexstar Media Group's purchase of The CW, including the ever-shrinking ranks of the network's DC Comics-based programming. Now, the new owners' cost-cutting has impacted yet another genre series on the network: The Winchesters.
Deadline reports that the network will not move forward with "back orders" for the Supernatural prequel series, which means the original 13-episode order is all the show gets for its first season. The same will reportedly apply to Walker prequel series Walker: Independence, and extend to all new series on the network this season. The move is part of ongoing efforts by Nexstar to lower costs amid a restructuring that also included a round of layoffs this week.
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised to see The CW to morph into one of those networks that strictly plays syndicated shows form the 70's and 80's.
AduroT wrote: Winchesters has been on my list to check out here eventually, but if they’re not even finishing the first season I probably won’t bother.
It's been a 'meh' kind of season so far. They've set up a big bad for the season, but so far all of the stories have been 'Monster of the Week'. Note however that Richard Speight Jr. is supposed to reprise his role as Loki/Gabriel but I have no idea how the current news affects that appearance.
