Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
It's a cool model. Too bad it is yet another useless phobos HQ because they refuse to give them real weapons.

I'm unsure on this. That's a new style of Heavy Bolt Pistol, or at the very least it has an extended magazine.

Whoop-de-doo. I meant the melee weapon.

Oh yeah, I just LOVE all the combat knives that let an equivalent amount of points of Guard Commanders kill them in melee!
You can't even use the argument they're lightly kitted to do strict babysitting because the Manlet Marines are cheaper to do that. There's simply NO justification.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
It's a cool model. Too bad it is yet another useless phobos HQ because they refuse to give them real weapons.

I'm unsure on this. That's a new style of Heavy Bolt Pistol, or at the very least it has an extended magazine.

That's a pistol?

Voss wrote:

That's a pistol?

Its a Riever heavy bolt pistol with an extended magazine.

As a fan of Phobos armor, I don't get this new Lt model.

I mean it looks nice enough with an interesting dynamic pose. I can't say I am a fan of the extended magazine which kinda makes it tough to determine if it is even a pistol visually.

However, I don't see any reason to shell out any extra money for it. Especially Games Workshop single character model prices if that is what this is. I am far more likely to just take a Reiver model and promote it to Lieutenant instead. It seems more like a new store/promotional model than anything else.

Until more is revealed, again; I don't get it.

New librarian with a staff incoming in the background

Sign me up for the bandwagon for hating on garbage load outs for space marine primaris characters.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
New librarian with a staff incoming in the background

I am afraid that it is Primaris Tigurius.


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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
As a fan of Phobos armor, I don't get this new Lt model.

I mean it looks nice enough with an interesting dynamic pose. I can't say I am a fan of the extended magazine which kinda makes it tough to determine if it is even a pistol visually.

However, I don't see any reason to shell out any extra money for it. Especially Games Workshop single character model prices if that is what this is. I am far more likely to just take a Reiver model and promote it to Lieutenant instead. It seem more like a new store/promotional model that anything else.

Until more is revealed, again; I don't get it.

Yep. At the price GW is asking for their character models, they should at least have unique gear and looks. This is just a normal Reiver.

After today's fluff piece, I'm wondering if we will see ultima or greyshield chapter tactics. Or something along the lines of the blood ravens 'use this one or whichever'

Voss wrote:
After today's fluff piece, I'm wondering if we will see ultima or greyshield chapter tactics. Or something along the lines of the blood ravens 'use this one or whichever'

Dont we already have that via the Indomitus Crusaders detatchment? They'd just need to expand what it affects.

He looks super bland.

Really wanting a generic primaris chapter master

I'm way more interested in the hover transport and thing that looks like a 40k equivalent of a Battletech Vulture in the background.

In any case, this is starting to get a bit tiresome. This the second time they used this same blurry pic gag with these exact same models.

Smoke grenade on the base seems like it'll match up to one of those rumour images...

My god. Smoke that isn't sculpted with sharp angles. They finally figured it out.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Voss wrote:
After today's fluff piece, I'm wondering if we will see ultima or greyshield chapter tactics. Or something along the lines of the blood ravens 'use this one or whichever'

Dont we already have that via the Indomitus Crusaders detatchment? They'd just need to expand what it affects.

Wasn't aware that was a thing. Was it the codex or the Vigil-whatever campaign books?

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
New librarian with a staff incoming in the background

you sure it's a Librarian? it's definatly a model with a staff but it looks like it's got a fair bit of bone work around the chest, given the Phobos Libby is on it's own sprue it seems odd they'd release a new mini, and not just put it out by itself, the primaris chaplain has a staff cronzium. could be a phobous chaplain. which could, at least on paper actually be semi-useful when used alongside reivers... although I'd still just take a phobos captains. (chaplains really need a re-work to be more useful.)

edit: on another note, I've got a nasty feeling supressors are going to be shadowspear only. as we don't see anything there that might be the multipart supressors.

That's not a guy with a staff. It's one model holding a blade weapon at waist height and the guy behind him holding his weapon (hammer?) Up high. And pretty sure that is either a command squad or close combat squad.

Voss wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Voss wrote:
After today's fluff piece, I'm wondering if we will see ultima or greyshield chapter tactics. Or something along the lines of the blood ravens 'use this one or whichever'

Dont we already have that via the Indomitus Crusaders detatchment? They'd just need to expand what it affects.

Wasn't aware that was a thing. Was it the codex or the Vigil-whatever campaign books?

Its in the first Vigilus Book. They get a Warlord Trait that allows a Unit with the Keyword to gain a second Chapter Tactic for the turn.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Voss wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Voss wrote:
After today's fluff piece, I'm wondering if we will see ultima or greyshield chapter tactics. Or something along the lines of the blood ravens 'use this one or whichever'

Dont we already have that via the Indomitus Crusaders detatchment? They'd just need to expand what it affects.

Wasn't aware that was a thing. Was it the codex or the Vigil-whatever campaign books?

Its in the first Vigilus Book. They get a Warlord Trait that allows a Unit with the Keyword to gain a second Chapter Tactic for the turn.

Ah. Then no, that wasn't the kind of thing I meant.

Sterling191 wrote:

Voss wrote:

That's a pistol?

Its a Riever heavy bolt pistol with an extended magazine.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of this current trend of putting a different number of rivets on a boltgun and giving it different rules, as opposed to giving the models access to, you know, actual different weapons that you can tell apart at a glance...*




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 SickSix wrote:
That's not a guy with a staff. It's one model holding a blade weapon at waist height and the guy behind him holding his weapon (hammer?) Up high. And pretty sure that is either a command squad or close combat squad.

Whatever he's holding, he does appear to be wearing bone or pale yellow robes.

It's pretty amusing that the players are annoyed at the amount of stupid Primaris Lt. models which then GW capitalizes on to create jokes about.

But then... produces more dumb Primaris characters and more Lts! Its like they're trolling their own player base (instead of producing playable marine rules and models)

Lt. looks sweet. I love that pose!

I don't care if that's Tiggy in the back there. All I want is Primaris Kantor so the faster we get through all the Ultra super friends the better.

Though a Primaris Cortez would be a fine consolation prize.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's pretty amusing that the players are annoyed at the amount of stupid Primaris Lt. models which then GW capitalizes on to create jokes about.

But then... produces more dumb Primaris characters and more Lts! Its like they're trolling their own player base (instead of producing playable marine rules and models)

except this is pretty clearly a new range of which a Lt is simply one of. and also remember for all the Primaris Leuiteants out right now, there are no individually avaliable primaris Lts you can buy.

I like White Scars. I never expect anything. I've been pretty accurate with my predictions for a while now.

Man, that lieutenant is bland, and in fact I think you could make a suitable proxy from the basic reiver kit. The only part on the lieutenant model that looks unique is the head and whatever that decorative bit on the minor shoulder pad is. Otherwise, I really hope that the rest of this release has something interesting to offer.

Edit:

Just checked the reiver sprue: the legs have the raised knee a little bit more out to the side when compared to the normal reiver running pose, the arm for the blade is angled further forward, and the heavy bolt pistol has a different magazine. Although it seems like you could pretty well replicate the sword arm by reversing the blade on parts 7 or 49 of the reiver sprue, and you could use one of the magazine off of the bolt carbines to extend the heavy bolt pistol's magazine.

And best of all, that Knife will sport the NASTY profile of S4 AP- and grant an extra attack, which goes hand-in-hand with the synergy of the aura abilities of both the Lieutenant and nearby Captain!

I am hoping he comes with a different head. That one just doesn't do it for me. But the rest of the model looks good. I really want to see the rest of the new models, especially the Infiltrators and Eliminators.

Wow a combat knife (hopefully and not what the 'Knife Fighter' has, i.e. nothing).

The pistol probably gets another shot if you roll a 6 to hit.

I can feel the heretics trembling from here.

This is getting really old now.

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Wow a combat knife (hopefully and not what the 'Knife Fighter' has, i.e. nothing).

The pistol probably gets another shot if you roll a 6 to hit.

I can feel the heretics trembling from here.

This is getting really old now.

Don't forget his aura that allows a re-roll of something!

Oh right, retract my previous statement.

It's like they think the Primmy statline is so devastating that if they give them more than a spoon all armies will be swept before them. It's inexplicable.

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Oh right, retract my previous statement.

It's like they think the Primmy statline is so devastating that if they give them more than a spoon all armies will be swept before them. It's inexplicable.

Given the comment about a lt in gravis armor, and chaos aspiring champions getting thunder hammers I'm hoping we see a Lt in gravis armor with a thunderhammer down the road

Well that weapon load out is rather lame, and looks to be the exact same load out of the Reivers. Which if correct means more strength 4 attacks... something that Marines are certainly not short of.

Hopefully the model comes with weapon options, I doubt it as that is something GW are moving away from... gone are the days of being able to personalise your HQ models beyond just cosmetic thrills.

I think the real take away from this is that the grave chute and bolt carbine will be OPTIONAL on the Phobis Leftenant.

He’s got the scary mask, do you think he’ll do the -1 LD thing the other Rievers do?

Yep and seemingly shock AND smoke grenades.

BrianDavion wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Oh right, retract my previous statement.

It's like they think the Primmy statline is so devastating that if they give them more than a spoon all armies will be swept before them. It's inexplicable.

Given the comment about a lt in gravis armor, and chaos aspiring champions getting thunder hammers I'm hoping we see a Lt in gravis armor with a thunderhammer down the road

Eh. More likely a super special 'Cawl brand' hammer that's slightly different and only theoretically better.

Voss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Oh right, retract my previous statement.

It's like they think the Primmy statline is so devastating that if they give them more than a spoon all armies will be swept before them. It's inexplicable.

Given the comment about a lt in gravis armor, and chaos aspiring champions getting thunder hammers I'm hoping we see a Lt in gravis armor with a thunderhammer down the road

Eh. More likely a super special 'Cawl brand' hammer that's slightly different and only theoretically better.

Cawl pattern heavy thunder hammer. a heavy thunderhammer that gives a minimum of 3 damage.

Ah, the vaunted Cawl Maul.

I'd use it, I'd use the feth out of it!

That's the Shadowspear librarian on the right isn't it?

Herbington wrote:

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 Crimson wrote:

That's the Shadowspear librarian on the right isn't it?

Yes.

Herbington wrote:

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 Crimson wrote:

That's the Shadowspear librarian on the right isn't it?

No. The Shadowspear Librarian has his sword in his left hand. This model is holding something in his right hand.

Edit: NM, I see what you were referring to. I almost wonder if the second from the right is just the Phobos Captain.

Another one today.

So there's two previews this week. GenCon is Thursday at 3pm BST(10am Eastern) and Warhammer World's "Apocalypse" preview at 9am BST(should be 4pm Eastern) on Saturday.

BrianDavion wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Oh right, retract my previous statement.

It's like they think the Primmy statline is so devastating that if they give them more than a spoon all armies will be swept before them. It's inexplicable.

Given the comment about a lt in gravis armor, and chaos aspiring champions getting thunder hammers I'm hoping we see a Lt in gravis armor with a thunderhammer down the road

I REMEMBER, back in MY DAY, when every random edged melee weapon you decided to slap in the malformed U-palm of your horse-riding posed spaceman had the dignity to AT LEAST call itself a generic "power weapon".

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Ah, the vaunted Cawl Maul.

Nice!

Want this so that I can call it that!

Shadowspear Librarian on the left. Those appear to be Infiltrators. I can't wait!

For God's sake, just show me that Dread. I want to make another Mega Dread conversion.

From Twitter, a follow up, apologies if already posted..

Some of you asked if you could see a better close up of some of that stuff behind me?
But instead, here’s me again, in my Phobos armour!

 Kanluwen wrote:

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Another one today.

So there's two previews this week. GenCon is Thursday at 10pm BST and Warhammer World's "Apocalypse" preview at 9am BST on Saturday.

Did they change the time on the GenCon preview? The banner on Warhammer Community says 3pm BST (10am EDT)..

 Ghaz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

Another one today.

So there's two previews this week. GenCon is Thursday at 10pm BST and Warhammer World's "Apocalypse" preview at 9am BST on Saturday.

Did they change the time on the GenCon preview? The banner on Warhammer Community says 3pm BST (10am EDT)..

No, stupid me messed up.

It's 10am Eastern for the preview, 3pm BST--I started posting it in Eastern and then tabbed over to check the times, added BST.

OK, so in the first blurry pic we got the Libby and looks to be Captain, that means the others may be a phobos command squad of some kind?

 His Master's Voice wrote:
For God's sake, just show me that Dread. I want to make another Mega Dread conversion.

Yeah, they could hurry along already. The sooner we get to see the new Dreadnought, the sooner I get to say mean things about it.

Well, the blur doesn't look quite as pregnant.
Hopefully it will have some proper AT on it. That's the main problem for the product line so far.

Voss wrote:
Well, the blur doesn't look quite as pregnant.
Hopefully it will have some proper AT on it. That's the main problem for the product line so far.

We know that the Eliminators have an alternate weapon called a "Lasfusil" that was statted similar to the lascannon.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:
Well, the blur doesn't look quite as pregnant.
Hopefully it will have some proper AT on it. That's the main problem for the product line so far.

We know that the Eliminators have an alternate weapon called a "Lasfusil" that was statted similar to the lascannon.

Hopefully different enough from the Heavy Plasma Incinerator that the Hellblasters have. Comparing the stats of the Apocalypse versions, the Las Fusil seems to be lower strength than the Lascannon.

The more this goes on the more I groan in my mind with how stupid primaris character loadouts are. FFS how hard is it to give them actual weapons instead of knives? Imperial guard platoon commanders have access to superior weapons ffs. Genestealer cult rigged mining tools and revolvers massively outclass the armament of primaris space marines like what the heck man.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:
Well, the blur doesn't look quite as pregnant.
Hopefully it will have some proper AT on it. That's the main problem for the product line so far.

We know that the Eliminators have an alternate weapon called a "Lasfusil" that was statted similar to the lascannon.

Hopefully different enough from the Heavy Plasma Incinerator that the Hellblasters have. Comparing the stats of the Apocalypse versions, the Las Fusil seems to be lower strength than the Lascannon.

Frankly, I don't care about the Hellblasters. I've planned an all-Phobos incursion force. Eliminators will be there, Hellblasters won't.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
The more this goes on the more I groan in my mind with how stupid primaris character loadouts are. FFS how hard is it to give them actual weapons instead of knives? Imperial guard platoon commanders have access to superior weapons ffs. Genestealer cult rigged mining tools and revolvers massively outclass the armament of primaris space marines like what the heck man.

Agreed!

Hopefully this happens soon - along with their oft rumored codex, releasing...soon?

But even then, it is probably unlikely due to someone at GW apparently thinking that what we've gotten to date - and continue to get - is somehow...OK?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:
Well, the blur doesn't look quite as pregnant.
Hopefully it will have some proper AT on it. That's the main problem for the product line so far.

We know that the Eliminators have an alternate weapon called a "Lasfusil" that was statted similar to the lascannon.

Hopefully different enough from the Heavy Plasma Incinerator that the Hellblasters have. Comparing the stats of the Apocalypse versions, the Las Fusil seems to be lower strength than the Lascannon.

Frankly, I don't care about the Hellblasters. I've planned an all-Phobos incursion force. Eliminators will be there, Hellblasters won't.

I get that. I would expect the Las Fusil to be 36" Str 8, AP-3, d6 damage or so. Perfect on the Eliminator platform. Depending on how things go, I will likely be adding more Phobos units to my army, provided they get a price balancing. Infiltrators are cool, but expensive.

I really want to see the new transport and what it can bring. I wouldn't be surprised if it could only carry Phobos. In which case, I will be swapping out three squads of Intercessors for Infiltrators (again, dependent on price).

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:
Well, the blur doesn't look quite as pregnant.
Hopefully it will have some proper AT on it. That's the main problem for the product line so far.

We know that the Eliminators have an alternate weapon called a "Lasfusil" that was statted similar to the lascannon.

Hopefully different enough from the Heavy Plasma Incinerator that the Hellblasters have. Comparing the stats of the Apocalypse versions, the Las Fusil seems to be lower strength than the Lascannon.

Frankly, I don't care about the Hellblasters. I've planned an all-Phobos incursion force. Eliminators will be there, Hellblasters won't.

I get that. I would expect the Las Fusil to be 36" Str 8, AP-3, d6 damage or so. Perfect on the Eliminator platform. Depending on how things go, I will likely be adding more Phobos units to my army, provided they get a price balancing. Infiltrators are cool, but expensive.

I really want to see the new transport and what it can bring. I wouldn't be surprised if it could only carry Phobos. In which case, I will be swapping out three squads of Intercessors for Infiltrators (again, dependent on price).

Which would be so awful. GW needs to stop fracturing the space marine codex with BS like Phobos only or Primaris only. The entire book would be a ton more playable if they returned to the NORMAL manner of having space marines be space marines. It's fine if some abilities are restricted to MAJOR differences in armor such as 4+ carapace, 2+ terminator but Phobos vs MK X vs Slightly Different MK X vs Slightly different 2.0 MK X? They're all just 3+ saves.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
The more this goes on the more I groan in my mind with how stupid primaris character loadouts are. FFS how hard is it to give them actual weapons instead of knives? Imperial guard platoon commanders have access to superior weapons ffs. Genestealer cult rigged mining tools and revolvers massively outclass the armament of primaris space marines like what the heck man.

Yeah, I thought that they were stripping down options with the new edition, but their new kits like GSC have a bunch of wargear. It really doesn't make sense that the "better than the best of the best" have such bland and limited options, if it isn't the edition's design philosophy. Seems like they should have matched regular Imperial options with your standard better pistols and CCWs for characters and sergeants and 1 special/heavy per 5. Like, I don't get it.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
The more this goes on the more I groan in my mind with how stupid primaris character loadouts are. FFS how hard is it to give them actual weapons instead of knives? Imperial guard platoon commanders have access to superior weapons ffs. Genestealer cult rigged mining tools and revolvers massively outclass the armament of primaris space marines like what the heck man.

Yeah, I thought that they were stripping down options with the new edition, but their new kits like GSC have a bunch of wargear. It really doesn't make sense that the "better than the best of the best" have such bland and limited options, if it isn't the edition's design philosophy. Seems like they should have matched regular Imperial options with your standard better pistols and CCWs for characters and sergeants and 1 special/heavy per 5. Like, I don't get it.

Apparently it's only a design philosophy when applied to any space marines. Other armies get options just fine.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
The more this goes on the more I groan in my mind with how stupid primaris character loadouts are. FFS how hard is it to give them actual weapons instead of knives? Imperial guard platoon commanders have access to superior weapons ffs. Genestealer cult rigged mining tools and revolvers massively outclass the armament of primaris space marines like what the heck man.

Funny as I considered space marines highly customizable but with the latest edition they are least coustomizable of all the factions, even the necrons and eldar have more options for their lords and squad leaders. Its hilarious how few options the marines have in comparision when it comes their primaris.

Which is why I refuse to play primaris until they are up to par with regular space marines.

Though it seems to be a design philisophy to release less and less customizable stuff for all the armies out there.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
The more this goes on the more I groan in my mind with how stupid primaris character loadouts are. FFS how hard is it to give them actual weapons instead of knives? Imperial guard platoon commanders have access to superior weapons ffs. Genestealer cult rigged mining tools and revolvers massively outclass the armament of primaris space marines like what the heck man.

Funny as I considered space marines highly customizable but with the latest edition they are least coustomizable of all the factions, even the necrons and eldar have more options for their lords and squad leaders. Its hilarious how few options the marines have in comparision when it comes their primaris.

Which is why I refuse to play primaris until they are up to par with regular space marines.

Though it seems to be a design philisophy to release less and less customizable stuff for all the armies out there.

I dont believe they will ever be up to par with old marine characters. They have 8 editions of defunct wargear combos to support in legacy, primaris is a fresh slate and as such can be limited to new stuff in the boxes.

Dudeface wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
The more this goes on the more I groan in my mind with how stupid primaris character loadouts are. FFS how hard is it to give them actual weapons instead of knives? Imperial guard platoon commanders have access to superior weapons ffs. Genestealer cult rigged mining tools and revolvers massively outclass the armament of primaris space marines like what the heck man.

Funny as I considered space marines highly customizable but with the latest edition they are least coustomizable of all the factions, even the necrons and eldar have more options for their lords and squad leaders. Its hilarious how few options the marines have in comparision when it comes their primaris.

Which is why I refuse to play primaris until they are up to par with regular space marines.

Though it seems to be a design philisophy to release less and less customizable stuff for all the armies out there.

I dont believe they will ever be up to par with old marine characters. They have 8 editions of defunct wargear combos to support in legacy, primaris is a fresh slate and as such can be limited to new stuff in the boxes.

Which sucks considering the entire point is to customize marines. Instead we have all the same lists for space marines which is a stark contrast to the previous edition.

Options? Every time a model has options Dakka christens one god tier and the rest trash tier. Let’s not act like options are inherently good in and of themselves if some end up serving little purpose, some don’t fit the meta and some are “auto-takes”.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Options? Every time a model has options Dakka christens one god tier and the rest trash tier. Let’s not act like options are inherently good in and of themselves if some end up serving little purpose, some don’t fit the meta and some are “auto-takes”.

For those who play the meta (minority) compared to the people who collect and use the models for painting hobbying etc for casual reasons (most people). Don't speak on the behalf of the fanbase on your own bias. People will use anything as extra item options to use to make their models their guys. Some people used relic blades for ages in 5th edition and 6th when they first introduced and in the horus heresy because those are the coolest items. Though if space marines are at all good is an argument in itself. But who cares that isn't really a valid discussion having as people will discuss that to no end until the skies turn red and the stars burn out.

I want cool models, I want my models to feel unique and to have their own character that fits their choices of weapons, right now you can't do that with the current selection for HQ's. Your HQ is your golden model your representation of your whole army and what your army is all about represented in a single figure.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Options? Every time a model has options Dakka christens one god tier and the rest trash tier. Let’s not act like options are inherently good in and of themselves if some end up serving little purpose, some don’t fit the meta and some are “auto-takes”.

For those who play the meta (minority) compared to the people who collect and use the models for painting hobbying etc for casual reasons (most people). Don't speak on the behalf of the fanbase on your own bias. People will use anything as extra item options to use to make their models their guys. Some people used relic blades for ages in 5th edition and 6th when they first introduced and in the horus heresy because those are the coolest items. Though if space marines are at all good is an argument in itself. But who cares that isn't really a valid discussion having as people will discuss that to no end until the skies turn red and the stars burn out.

I want cool models, I want my models to feel unique and to have their own character that fits their choices of weapons, right now you can't do that with the current selection for HQ's. Your HQ is your golden model your representation of your whole army and what your army is all about represented in a single figure.

+1.

I think the weapons could probably be heavily consolidated (ex: thunder hammers and power fists combined to one) with no real loss to flexibility except at serious competitive play, but your gear can define major roles for your dudes (durable, heavy melee, okay melee, just there for their auras etc.), and Primaris aren't really opening up those major classes of roles like they should.

 Asherian Command wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
The more this goes on the more I groan in my mind with how stupid primaris character loadouts are. FFS how hard is it to give them actual weapons instead of knives? Imperial guard platoon commanders have access to superior weapons ffs. Genestealer cult rigged mining tools and revolvers massively outclass the armament of primaris space marines like what the heck man.

Funny as I considered space marines highly customizable but with the latest edition they are least coustomizable of all the factions, even the necrons and eldar have more options for their lords and squad leaders. Its hilarious how few options the marines have in comparision when it comes their primaris.

Which is why I refuse to play primaris until they are up to par with regular space marines.

Though it seems to be a design philisophy to release less and less customizable stuff for all the armies out there.

I dont believe they will ever be up to par with old marine characters. They have 8 editions of defunct wargear combos to support in legacy, primaris is a fresh slate and as such can be limited to new stuff in the boxes.

Which sucks considering the entire point is to customize marines. Instead we have all the same lists for space marines which is a stark contrast to the previous edition.

From the modeling/rule of cool side it sucks. But consider how much more simple it will be to balance 12 options per army, rather than 36.

Ignore points for the moment. Tell me which options from the current tactical squad kit besides bolter, plasma gun and chainsword will see play.

It's okay, I'll answer it. None, save Maayyyyyy-be power swords. You'll not see a power fist, combi-grav, gravity rifle. Flamers? Nope. Melta? Nope. Combi-flamers? Nope. Power axe? Nope.


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 Asherian Command wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Options? Every time a model has options Dakka christens one god tier and the rest trash tier. Let’s not act like options are inherently good in and of themselves if some end up serving little purpose, some don’t fit the meta and some are “auto-takes”.

For those who play the meta (minority) compared to the people who collect and use the models for painting hobbying etc for casual reasons (most people). Don't speak on the behalf of the fanbase on your own bias. People will use anything as extra item options to use to make their models their guys. Some people used relic blades for ages in 5th edition and 6th when they first introduced and in the horus heresy because those are the coolest items. Though if space marines are at all good is an argument in itself. But who cares that isn't really a valid discussion having as people will discuss that to no end until the skies turn red and the stars burn out.

I want cool models, I want my models to feel unique and to have their own character that fits their choices of weapons, right now you can't do that with the current selection for HQ's. Your HQ is your golden model your representation of your whole army and what your army is all about represented in a single figure.

Are we sure they're the minortiy anymore? All I ever see is meta gamers. It's become nearly the entire hobby. Up until the summer my local store had 12 good friendlies. We're down to 3 now, myself included.

part of the problem with meta gamers is well.. us. DakkaDakka and websites like it need to take some responsability. someone comes here and asks for advice, and the "OMG! YOU MUST FOLLOW DA META" crowd drowns out everyone else. Half of whom don't even like the game anymore. I mean when someone comes to dakka dakka and asks "hi I've got units X Y Z what are some fun units to add to them?" and they immagiedlaty get told "get rida of units XY Z and buy A B C instead." whereas someone chimes in and points out that "technocly units XYZ don't even work via RAW" and a third person immediatly pipes up with how aweful ABC and XYZ are because they're from Codx Alpha instead of codex Beta" etc...

I mean if thats all new comers to the hobby hear it's going to direct them in the wrong direction.

Which would be so awful. GW needs to stop fracturing the space marine codex with BS like Phobos only or Primaris only. The entire book would be a ton more playable if they returned to the NORMAL manner of having space marines be space marines. It's fine if some abilities are restricted to MAJOR differences in armor such as 4+ carapace, 2+ terminator but Phobos vs MK X vs Slightly Different MK X vs Slightly different 2.0 MK X? They're all just 3+ saves.

Agreed. I mean yeah you can technically play all the primaris units mixed and im sure that will continue but some of these primaris units are akward choices and no real incentive going one way or another. 40k in general is in such an awkward place and I really hope this next rumored book is not like a vanguard only book. All of the blurry models just look like multi part vanguard kits with a new tank, dread and maybe another hero on top of the LT leaked. I might be done with marines and 40K in general until 9th rolls around.


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 Kirasu wrote:
It's pretty amusing that the players are annoyed at the amount of stupid Primaris Lt. models which then GW capitalizes on to create jokes about.

But then... produces more dumb Primaris characters and more Lts! Its like they're trolling their own player base (instead of producing playable marine rules and models)

Well I mean GW seems to think its smart to openly troll people on their official facebook which is unbelievably stupid.

 gainsay wrote:

Which would be so awful. GW needs to stop fracturing the space marine codex with BS like Phobos only or Primaris only. The entire book would be a ton more playable if they returned to the NORMAL manner of having space marines be space marines. It's fine if some abilities are restricted to MAJOR differences in armor such as 4+ carapace, 2+ terminator but Phobos vs MK X vs Slightly Different MK X vs Slightly different 2.0 MK X? They're all just 3+ saves.

Agreed. I mean yeah you can technically play all the primaris units mixed and im sure that will continue but some of these primaris units are akward choices and no real incentive going one way or another. 40k in general is in such an awkward place and I really hope this next rumored book is not like a vanguard only book. All of the blurry models just look like multi part vanguard kits with a new tank, dread and maybe another hero on top of the LT leaked. I might be done with marines and 40K in general until 9th rolls around.


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 Kirasu wrote:
It's pretty amusing that the players are annoyed at the amount of stupid Primaris Lt. models which then GW capitalizes on to create jokes about.

But then... produces more dumb Primaris characters and more Lts! Its like they're trolling their own player base (instead of producing playable marine rules and models)

Well I mean GW seems to think its smart to openly troll people on their official facebook which is unbelievably stupid.

Actually, it's hilarious. If people are getting butthurt about it, I laugh at that too.

I think it is stupid for them to troll people intentionally.

Plus they just raised the points cost on the latest space marine vehicle for little no reason other than it might be 'abuseable' but we can get a Levithian Dread for cheaper and that does more than the new tank.

one thing to keep in mind re the Leuitenant, is that for those who don't play the snow flake chapters, we currently can't buy a Leuitenat without buying a big expensive boxed set. so if this Phobos Lt is stand alone... that's actually a NEEDED Leuitenant release (which honestly shows how insane the Lt situation is TBH)

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 Asherian Command wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
The more this goes on the more I groan in my mind with how stupid primaris character loadouts are. FFS how hard is it to give them actual weapons instead of knives? Imperial guard platoon commanders have access to superior weapons ffs. Genestealer cult rigged mining tools and revolvers massively outclass the armament of primaris space marines like what the heck man.

Funny as I considered space marines highly customizable but with the latest edition they are least coustomizable of all the factions, even the necrons and eldar have more options for their lords and squad leaders. Its hilarious how few options the marines have in comparision when it comes their primaris.

Which is why I refuse to play primaris until they are up to par with regular space marines.

Though it seems to be a design philisophy to release less and less customizable stuff for all the armies out there.

I dont believe they will ever be up to par with old marine characters. They have 8 editions of defunct wargear combos to support in legacy, primaris is a fresh slate and as such can be limited to new stuff in the boxes.

Which sucks considering the entire point is to customize marines. Instead we have all the same lists for space marines which is a stark contrast to the previous edition.

From the modeling/rule of cool side it sucks. But consider how much more simple it will be to balance 12 options per army, rather than 36.

Ignore points for the moment. Tell me which options from the current tactical squad kit besides bolter, plasma gun and chainsword will see play.

It's okay, I'll answer it. None, save Maayyyyyy-be power swords. You'll not see a power fist, combi-grav, gravity rifle. Flamers? Nope. Melta? Nope. Combi-flamers? Nope. Power axe? Nope.


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 Asherian Command wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Options? Every time a model has options Dakka christens one god tier and the rest trash tier. Let’s not act like options are inherently good in and of themselves if some end up serving little purpose, some don’t fit the meta and some are “auto-takes”.

For those who play the meta (minority) compared to the people who collect and use the models for painting hobbying etc for casual reasons (most people). Don't speak on the behalf of the fanbase on your own bias. People will use anything as extra item options to use to make their models their guys. Some people used relic blades for ages in 5th edition and 6th when they first introduced and in the horus heresy because those are the coolest items. Though if space marines are at all good is an argument in itself. But who cares that isn't really a valid discussion having as people will discuss that to no end until the skies turn red and the stars burn out.

I want cool models, I want my models to feel unique and to have their own character that fits their choices of weapons, right now you can't do that with the current selection for HQ's. Your HQ is your golden model your representation of your whole army and what your army is all about represented in a single figure.

Are we sure they're the minortiy anymore? All I ever see is meta gamers. It's become nearly the entire hobby. Up until the summer my local store had 12 good friendlies. We're down to 3 now, myself included.

So if the meta gamers are the problem, why punish the casuals, fluff-nuts and modellers by stripping away their options? There will always be an optimal loadout, but I'd vastly prefer that over a single loadout. Why? Because there'll always be the chance to see something different. Having a set loadout means that's all you'll see. Having options means you might play against something different, even if the majority lean a certain way.

 gainsay wrote:

Which would be so awful. GW needs to stop fracturing the space marine codex with BS like Phobos only or Primaris only. The entire book would be a ton more playable if they returned to the NORMAL manner of having space marines be space marines. It's fine if some abilities are restricted to MAJOR differences in armor such as 4+ carapace, 2+ terminator but Phobos vs MK X vs Slightly Different MK X vs Slightly different 2.0 MK X? They're all just 3+ saves.

Agreed. I mean yeah you can technically play all the primaris units mixed and im sure that will continue but some of these primaris units are akward choices and no real incentive going one way or another. 40k in general is in such an awkward place and I really hope this next rumored book is not like a vanguard only book. All of the blurry models just look like multi part vanguard kits with a new tank, dread and maybe another hero on top of the LT leaked. I might be done with marines and 40K in general until 9th rolls around.


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 Kirasu wrote:
It's pretty amusing that the players are annoyed at the amount of stupid Primaris Lt. models which then GW capitalizes on to create jokes about.

But then... produces more dumb Primaris characters and more Lts! Its like they're trolling their own player base (instead of producing playable marine rules and models)

Well I mean GW seems to think its smart to openly troll people on their official facebook which is unbelievably stupid.

But is it? I'd say it's good marketing, as much as I disagree with it. The young kids love that kind of stuff, and I see most of the trolling posts being well received.

 gainsay wrote:
Well I mean GW seems to think its smart to openly troll people on their official facebook which is unbelievably stupid.

They're not trolling people. They're leaning into a joke that their community started.

Appealing to your immature customer base is one thing but as a multi million pound company you don't have to stoop to that level. It's a real amature approach in a social media marketing strategy with a brand that has such a large fan base. I'm specifically pointing out the people who work for the community team who reply to snarky comments with something equally petty. It's just unnecessary even if sometimes their funny because remember this is a company. Maybe I think differently because I've been working in marketing and design for a long time but sometimes the things they say are cringeworthy.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 gainsay wrote:
Well I mean GW seems to think its smart to openly troll people on their official facebook which is unbelievably stupid.

They're not trolling people. They're leaning into a joke that their community started.

Dude I'm referring to tone on Facebook replies and not talking about the primaris LT joke.


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 bullyboy wrote:

 gainsay wrote:

Which would be so awful. GW needs to stop fracturing the space marine codex with BS like Phobos only or Primaris only. The entire book would be a ton more playable if they returned to the NORMAL manner of having space marines be space marines. It's fine if some abilities are restricted to MAJOR differences in armor such as 4+ carapace, 2+ terminator but Phobos vs MK X vs Slightly Different MK X vs Slightly different 2.0 MK X? They're all just 3+ saves.

Agreed. I mean yeah you can technically play all the primaris units mixed and im sure that will continue but some of these primaris units are akward choices and no real incentive going one way or another. 40k in general is in such an awkward place and I really hope this next rumored book is not like a vanguard only book. All of the blurry models just look like multi part vanguard kits with a new tank, dread and maybe another hero on top of the LT leaked. I might be done with marines and 40K in general until 9th rolls around.


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 Kirasu wrote:
It's pretty amusing that the players are annoyed at the amount of stupid Primaris Lt. models which then GW capitalizes on to create jokes about.

But then... produces more dumb Primaris characters and more Lts! Its like they're trolling their own player base (instead of producing playable marine rules and models)

Well I mean GW seems to think its smart to openly troll people on their official facebook which is unbelievably stupid.

Actually, it's hilarious. If people are getting butthurt about it, I laugh at that too.

Yeah I bet you find it funny... This is a customer and company interacting though. I can't think of another company that does that to it's customers and the rest find it funny / acceptable constantly. It's trashy imo.

what exactly is being said on facebook? for those of us not wanting to wade through hundreds of posts?

I mostly agree, gainsay, but I'm curious how much of it is cultural: is this a sensibility that works in British society, or hobby culture, or something? They're hardly the only company I've seen that joke like this, though they are the biggest. IDK, I feel like they've expanded faster than they've been able to really recognize it, or they just don't care because what they're doing seems to work.

BrianDavion wrote:
what exactly is being said on facebook? for those of us not wanting to wade through hundreds of posts?

They're blowing it out of proportion. 9/10 times it's harmless jokes that community starts first. 8-9/10 the jokes are well received.

Stuff like one guy asked when the Dark Angles Codex was coming out, and the GW team said "It already had" and then posted a link to the Chaos Space Marines Codex on their webstore.

 Togusa wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
what exactly is being said on facebook? for those of us not wanting to wade through hundreds of posts?

They're blowing it out of proportion. 9/10 times it's harmless jokes that community starts first. 8-9/10 the jokes are well received.

Stuff like one guy asked when the Dark Angles Codex was coming out, and the GW team said "It already had" and then posted a link to the Chaos Space Marines Codex on their webstore.

Ahh yeah, I see the issue now, GW's adopting a very "joke around with the community as part of the community" stance, which is popular with a lot of people, but some people find it annoying and decry it as unprofessional. course they can't win since if they went pure professional folks would claim it was boring and "cold and distant"

 Togusa wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
what exactly is being said on facebook? for those of us not wanting to wade through hundreds of posts?

They're blowing it out of proportion. 9/10 times it's harmless jokes that community starts first. 8-9/10 the jokes are well received.

Stuff like one guy asked when the Dark Angles Codex was coming out, and the GW team said "It already had" and then posted a link to the Chaos Space Marines Codex on their webstore.

That’s quality. I like that.

Which would be so awful. GW needs to stop fracturing the space marine codex with BS like Phobos only or Primaris only. The entire book would be a ton more playable if they returned to the NORMAL manner of having space marines be space marines. It's fine if some abilities are restricted to MAJOR differences in armor such as 4+ carapace, 2+ terminator but Phobos vs MK X vs Slightly Different MK X vs Slightly different 2.0 MK X? They're all just 3+ saves.

If normal MK 10 was left as it was and Gravis (3+ T5) but Phobos was something like a 4+ but you got +1 movement or +1 to charges or advance rolls that might work. (As well as making Reivers a little better)

I think the issue with the jokes are that it’s basically a British cultural thing. Hardly anyone outside of Britain gets our humour.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 gainsay wrote:
Well I mean GW seems to think its smart to openly troll people on their official facebook which is unbelievably stupid.

They're not trolling people. They're leaning into a joke that their community started.

This. It’s hilarious, and getting salty about it just demonstrates you don’t understand the levity they’re going for. I’d rather GW take the piss out of itself with us than pretend every decision they make is sensible and nothing about their universes is inherently silly. You can love something and still poke fun at obviously silly bits, and silly people.

I agree it's genuinely funny. this isn't a British humor thing, this is just some people take things too seriously and get offended when the company seemingly doesn't

I doubt anything will change regarding GW's policies, especially considering they're breaking record profits year after year now.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 gainsay wrote:
Well I mean GW seems to think its smart to openly troll people on their official facebook which is unbelievably stupid.

They're not trolling people. They're leaning into a joke that their community started.

This. It’s hilarious, and getting salty about it just demonstrates you don’t understand the levity they’re going for. I’d rather GW take the piss out of itself with us than pretend every decision they make is sensible and nothing about their universes is inherently silly. You can love something and still poke fun at obviously silly bits, and silly people.

I like a lot of the fiction I like because of the silly bits. If anybody appreciated Judge Dredd or 40k because they thought the factions in play were being sensible I’d be concerned.

 Togusa wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
what exactly is being said on facebook? for those of us not wanting to wade through hundreds of posts?

They're blowing it out of proportion. 9/10 times it's harmless jokes that community starts first. 8-9/10 the jokes are well received.

Stuff like one guy asked when the Dark Angles Codex was coming out, and the GW team said "It already had" and then posted a link to the Chaos Space Marines Codex on their webstore.

Made me snort, love that response.

If Primaris Lieutenants sell well, GW will continue making them. I doubt the social media guys and girls even have a say in what miniatures get designed and/or ultimately green-lit.

If their social media strategy were dead-serious, there‘d still be the same amount of Primaris Lieutenants released.

As someone else said, this could be the first general release of a Primaris Lieutenant not in a boxed set. That makes it something interesting in and of itself.

Also, the Facebook page playing along with all of the community's jokes is awesome. It shows they are paying attention to what we say. Perhaps that could be even why we are getting, what appears to be, a smaller transport tank that isn't primarily a gunboat (it seems to have one small turret). People have been asking for that for about two years now.

I can't wait to see the next image. It seems to be implying the Infiltrators. I certainly hope so. I want another squad or two of them.

My guess is the actual full reveal will be this coming Sunday.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
As someone else said, this could be the first general release of a Primaris Lieutenant not in a boxed set. That makes it something interesting in and of itself.

Also, the Facebook page playing along with all of the community's jokes is awesome. It shows they are paying attention to what we say. Perhaps that could be even why we are getting, what appears to be, a smaller transport tank that isn't primarily a gunboat (it seems to have one small turret). People have been asking for that for about two years now.

I can't wait to see the next image. It seems to be implying the Infiltrators. I certainly hope so. I want another squad or two of them.

I'm really hoping that the thing isn't a transport tank. I like that we're seeing stuff themed around the Phobos setup. I want to see that fleshed out more. Infiltrators don't exactly need a transport.

I'm hoping for something more along the lines of the Rhino Damocles Command Tank or the like, with an 'uplink' for orbital strikes or the like.

My guess is the actual full reveal will be this coming Sunday.

We have two previews this week. Tomorrow from GenCon and Saturday from Warhammer World's Apocalypse event.

I'd expect the previews there.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
As someone else said, this could be the first general release of a Primaris Lieutenant not in a boxed set. That makes it something interesting in and of itself.

Eh, the thing is, it's niche specialist company Lt who doesn't really fit even the full primaris army visually, only the vanguard one. If GW wanted to release 'general' Lt, they have no less than two already waiting in the wings, WtD one and the Conquest model (though that last one might be exclusive to mag, I don't know)...

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BrianDavion wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Oh right, retract my previous statement.

It's like they think the Primmy statline is so devastating that if they give them more than a spoon all armies will be swept before them. It's inexplicable.

Given the comment about a lt in gravis armor, and chaos aspiring champions getting thunder hammers I'm hoping we see a Lt in gravis armor with a thunderhammer down the road

Eh. More likely a super special 'Cawl brand' hammer that's slightly different and only theoretically better.

Just like all the power axes/swords/fists used by primaris are 'Cawl brand'? Wait a minute...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
As someone else said, this could be the first general release of a Primaris Lieutenant not in a boxed set. That makes it something interesting in and of itself.

Also, the Facebook page playing along with all of the community's jokes is awesome. It shows they are paying attention to what we say. Perhaps that could be even why we are getting, what appears to be, a smaller transport tank that isn't primarily a gunboat (it seems to have one small turret). People have been asking for that for about two years now.

I can't wait to see the next image. It seems to be implying the Infiltrators. I certainly hope so. I want another squad or two of them.

I'm really hoping that the thing isn't a transport tank. I like that we're seeing stuff themed around the Phobos setup. I want to see that fleshed out more. Infiltrators don't exactly need a transport.

I'm hoping for something more along the lines of the Rhino Damocles Command Tank or the like, with an 'uplink' for orbital strikes or the like.

You certainly could be right. The entire Phobos line doesn't need a transport as literally everything can deploy forward in some way. But you could say the same thing for Space Marine Scouts, and they still have their own transport. The turret doesn't appear to be communications equipment, as it has barrels on the turret piece. But, I would definitely like an alternate build that would function like what you are describing. The Dreadnought seems to be packing a miniature Las Impulsor on its right arm.

My guess is the actual full reveal will be this coming Sunday.

We have two previews this week. Tomorrow from GenCon and Saturday from Warhammer World's Apocalypse event.

I'd expect the previews there.

Yeah, I have been off the grid for the past two weeks(who knew Wisconsin was a untamed jungle, by the way?) so I didn't even realize GenCon was right around the corner. That is definitely a good point. I would still expect some more tongue-in-cheek preview images.


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 Irbis wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
As someone else said, this could be the first general release of a Primaris Lieutenant not in a boxed set. That makes it something interesting in and of itself.

Eh, the thing is, it's niche specialist company Lt who doesn't really fit even the full primaris army visually, only the vanguard one. If GW wanted to release 'general' Lt, they have no less than two already waiting in the wings, WtD one and the Conquest model (though that last one might be exclusive to mag, I don't know)...

Those are the ones I am missing, otherwise I would have the whole set! But yeah, this new one *kinda* goes in the territory of the Sword and Pistol version in Dark Imperium, but it isn't quite the same (maybe a MC Combat Knife is a possibility, with -1 or -2 AP and 2D). Still, depending on how things go, I might swap out a quarter of my army for Phobos units (I like the imbedded medical in the squads). Time will tell.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those are the ones I am missing, otherwise I would have the whole set! But yeah, this new one *kinda* goes in the territory of the Sword and Pistol version in Dark Imperium, but it isn't quite the same (maybe a MC Combat Knife is a possibility, with -1 or -2 AP and 2D). Still, depending on how things go, I might swap out a quarter of my army for Phobos units (I like the imbedded medical in the squads). Time will tell.

Funny thing is, you're right - unless you take grav chutes, there is zero reason to run this guy as vanguard Lt (super niche applications happening once in a thousand years such as using his skull mask or buffing him with vanguard librarian aside). Just count him as regular lieutenant, you will have slightly worse pistol, but at least he will gain a power sword. Man, primaris are in really sad state that you need to count stuff as different units to actually gain options they should have had to begin with...

 Irbis wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
As someone else said, this could be the first general release of a Primaris Lieutenant not in a boxed set. That makes it something interesting in and of itself.

Eh, the thing is, it's niche specialist company Lt who doesn't really fit even the full primaris army visually, only the vanguard one. If GW wanted to release 'general' Lt, they have no less than two already waiting in the wings, WtD one and the Conquest model (though that last one might be exclusive to mag, I don't know)...

Voss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Oh right, retract my previous statement.

It's like they think the Primmy statline is so devastating that if they give them more than a spoon all armies will be swept before them. It's inexplicable.

Given the comment about a lt in gravis armor, and chaos aspiring champions getting thunder hammers I'm hoping we see a Lt in gravis armor with a thunderhammer down the road

Eh. More likely a super special 'Cawl brand' hammer that's slightly different and only theoretically better.

Just like all the power axes/swords/fists used by primaris are 'Cawl brand'? Wait a minute...

The conquest one has sculpted on Ultramarines stuff, so is in a similiar position as the DA one.

The Waking The Dead one though - no reason that can't be released in its own box.

 Irbis wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Those are the ones I am missing, otherwise I would have the whole set! But yeah, this new one *kinda* goes in the territory of the Sword and Pistol version in Dark Imperium, but it isn't quite the same (maybe a MC Combat Knife is a possibility, with -1 or -2 AP and 2D). Still, depending on how things go, I might swap out a quarter of my army for Phobos units (I like the imbedded medical in the squads). Time will tell.

Funny thing is, you're right - unless you take grav chutes, there is zero reason to run this guy as vanguard Lt (super niche applications happening once in a thousand years such as using his skull mask or buffing him with vanguard librarian aside). Just count him as regular lieutenant, you will have slightly worse pistol, but at least he will gain a power sword. Man, primaris are in really sad state that you need to count stuff as different units to actually gain options they should have had to begin with...

As the poster below stated, I am sure the Wake the Dead Lieutenant will get a general release and solve that problem. I already have him, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if this new Lieutenant can Scout move like Infiltrators, and the Phobos Captain and Librarian can. It offers some different options. Still, the lack of a proper melee weapon sucks. But, if you wanted to use him as a Power Sword LT, you could always cut the blade off the combat knife and glue a power sword blade there instead.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 gainsay wrote:
Well I mean GW seems to think its smart to openly troll people on their official facebook which is unbelievably stupid.

They're not trolling people. They're leaning into a joke that their community started.

It's also acknowledging that there's an issue in the first place, which is also good and healthy.

I mean, this is equal parts joining in the fun, and holding their hands up with 'yes, you've all got a point. Thank you for your feedback'.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if this new Lieutenant can Scout move like Infiltrators, and the Phobos Captain and Librarian can. It offers some different options. Still, the lack of a proper melee weapon sucks. But, if you wanted to use him as a Power Sword LT, you could always cut the blade off the combat knife and glue a power sword blade there instead.

I really cannot fathom the thought process which resulted the Phobos characters not getting melee weapons. These guys can sneak close to the enemy... and then scowl angrily at them or something. It is even more inexplicable in the case of the Reiver Lt. who doesn't even have a long arm. His whole fething purpose is to engage CC and now he will utterly suck at it.

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if this new Lieutenant can Scout move like Infiltrators, and the Phobos Captain and Librarian can. It offers some different options. Still, the lack of a proper melee weapon sucks. But, if you wanted to use him as a Power Sword LT, you could always cut the blade off the combat knife and glue a power sword blade there instead.

I really cannot fathom the thought process which resulted the Phobos characters not getting melee weapons. These guys can sneak close to the enemy... and then scowl angrily at them or something. It is even more inexplicable in the case of the Reiver Lt. who doesn't even have a long arm. His whole fething purpose is to engage CC and now he will utterly suck at it.

It's the same logic that led to the Forgebane booklet only including rules for Skitarii Rangers.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's the same logic that led to the Forgebane booklet only including rules for Skitarii Rangers.

Do Forgebane Rangers have some special, hilariously weak guns nothing else in the AM range gets, like the knife of the Vanguard Lt? Yes/No? Because that's completely wrong comparison, the fact SM officer costing tons of points has worse rules than 4 pts IG mooks when it comes to his melee weapon can't be defended, at all...

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if this new Lieutenant can Scout move like Infiltrators, and the Phobos Captain and Librarian can. It offers some different options. Still, the lack of a proper melee weapon sucks. But, if you wanted to use him as a Power Sword LT, you could always cut the blade off the combat knife and glue a power sword blade there instead.

I really cannot fathom the thought process which resulted the Phobos characters not getting melee weapons. These guys can sneak close to the enemy... and then scowl angrily at them or something. It is even more inexplicable in the case of the Reiver Lt. who doesn't even have a long arm. His whole fething purpose is to engage CC and now he will utterly suck at it.

Pretty simple, those writing rules for Primaris are probably the worst rules writers in the last few editions. They have absolutely no idea how the current game works or how desperately far behind Primaris are in being remotely playable even in a non competitive way.

 Irbis wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's the same logic that led to the Forgebane booklet only including rules for Skitarii Rangers.

Do Forgebane Rangers have some special, hilariously weak guns nothing else in the AM range gets, like the knife of the Vanguard Lt? Yes/No? Because that's completely wrong comparison, the fact SM officer costing tons of points has worse rules than 4 pts IG mooks when it comes to his melee weapon can't be defended, at all...

It's not my problem you can't understand the exceedingly simple comparison of "The boxed game narrative drives what options are available". The vanguard booklet was by no means a complete Codex any more than Forgebane was for the AdMech.

That is the logic referred to. They didn't give the option to build Vanguard, despite the kit literally being the same, in Forgebane...and you lot are expecting them to put weapon options on the monopose character jammed onto a sprue with the simple build stuff? And acting like this will be the end all/be all?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's the same logic that led to the Forgebane booklet only including rules for Skitarii Rangers.

Do Forgebane Rangers have some special, hilariously weak guns nothing else in the AM range gets, like the knife of the Vanguard Lt? Yes/No? Because that's completely wrong comparison, the fact SM officer costing tons of points has worse rules than 4 pts IG mooks when it comes to his melee weapon can't be defended, at all...

It's not my problem you can't understand the exceedingly simple comparison of "The boxed game narrative drives what options are available". The vanguard booklet was by no means a complete Codex any more than Forgebane was for the AdMech.

That is the logic referred to. They didn't give the option to build Vanguard, despite the kit literally being the same, in Forgebane...and you lot are expecting them to put weapon options on the monopose character jammed onto a sprue with the simple build stuff? And acting like this will be the end all/be all?

There have been a fair few Primaris releases by which to judge their approach to options.

PrimarisLt Twitter Feed wrote:
Looking forward to the preview on Saturday.
Fingers crossed for more Primaris Lieutenant news!
#PrimarisLieutenant

Looks like Saturday is the mark to hit for this stuff showing up.

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 NivlacSupreme wrote:

There have been a fair few Primaris releases by which to judge their approach to options.

Yes...and that approach has been "the full kits tend to have more options".

Hellblasters from Dark Imperium didn't have any of their options, Inceptors didn't, Intercessors didn't. Why would people think Shadowspear would be different?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Yes...and that approach has been "the full kits tend to have more options".

I am eagerly awaiting these full kits that will give my Primaris Characters more options!

Yes the main sprues for Inters is awash with options!

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Yes the main sprues for Inters is awash with options!

A whole three choices of almost identical looking gun!

 NivlacSupreme wrote:

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Yes the main sprues for Inters is awash with options!

A whole three choices of almost identical looking gun!

Two of which have such terrible rules that you'd never use them!

But let's remember, that regardless of no such parts coming in the kit, the Intercessor Sergeant is the Primaris model with overwhelmingly the best selection of melee weapons. So if they would give similar options to Primaris characters, I would be more than happy. Whether parts for those options come in the kits or not is immaterial to me, I have an extensive bits box.

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Yes the main sprues for Inters is awash with options!

Stalker, Auto, or 'vanilla' Bolt Rifles.
Auxiliary Grenade Launchers for 1:5 models

Whether the choices are "almost identical looking guns" or not, they are choices that aren't on the sprues for Dark Imperium.
And hell, one of the choices(Power Sword for Intercessor Sergeant) wasn't even on the sprue allowing for kitbashing/proxying the Lt with BP+Power Sword from Dark Imperium.

When are the models that we've seen in the Primaris Lieutenants video and Twitter account going to be available? Speculation/guessing is fine.

 Psionara wrote:
When are the models that we've seen in the Primaris Lieutenants video and Twitter account going to be available? Speculation/guessing is fine.

mid augest I'm guessing

BrianDavion wrote:

 Psionara wrote:
When are the models that we've seen in the Primaris Lieutenants video and Twitter account going to be available? Speculation/guessing is fine.

mid augest I'm guessing

Awww yeahhh! Can't wait!

August 17 at the absolute earliest. Unless they put them up for pre-order this Saturday, which has pretty much never happened.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
August 17 at the absolute earliest. Unless they put them up for pre-order this Saturday, which has pretty much never happened.

Aug 17th would be good, by then I'll have actually paid for my battletech kickstarter so no worries of accidently spending that money on 40k.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
August 17 at the absolute earliest. Unless they put them up for pre-order this Saturday, which has pretty much never happened.

Saturday's preorders are Enforcers and the rest of Warcry (barring the two unpictured gangs), so definitely not.

I suspect this will be a big enough reveal that it'll be another two week preorder.