AegisGrimm wrote: Why is everyone so butthurt about the size of Teela's muscles in this? She has the exact same size muscles as Evil-Lynn. They are practically the same base form with a clothing and hair swap.
It's freaking Eternia. Everyone is some flavor of barbarian, even if they are using guns!
AegisGrimm wrote: Why is everyone so butthurt about the size of Teela's muscles in this? She has the exact same size muscles as Evil-Lynn. They are practically the same base form with a clothing and hair swap.
It's freaking Eternia. Everyone is some flavor of barbarian, even if they are using guns!
I blame 90 years worth of superhero comics and cartoons teaching multiple generations that male heroes should be buff, while female heroes should look like catwalk models.
It's absurd, and I for one hope this trend of allowing women to actually look like capable warriors continues.
Argive wrote: I guess your signature quotes are kind of ironic...
What a disgusting take.
You should slow down a little and stop getting worked up
I'm not getting worked up I'm just not engaging with someone saying:
I'm sorry, but you haven't experienced true grief and your opinion is invalid.
Says me.
I mean.... Its not really worth getting worked dup against if that level of garbage is being flunged at you.
Your post is also now on the garbage pile. Sorry.
LunarSol wrote: Ultimately I can't help shake the feeling that what the show really needs is an episode or two of reestablishing the original dynamic before subverting it. Like, in my head the world was always kind of a barbaric wasteland. The loss of magic doesn't really make things feel any worse off than they already did, despite constantly being told how bad things are now.
Show needed two episodes before Skeletor's big heist. One to reaffirm the original setting, one where Skeletor finds out all this pulled-from-my-ass hidden history.
Voss wrote: I think you all need to go back to the beginning of this very thread and the news from the 2019 convention were it was suggested that he man wouldn't be the focus, and it was called Masters of the Universe and not he man for a reason. There was a two year warning on this 'bait and switch'
I haven't yet watched this - I'm waiting for the second half to be available, same as I did for The Long Halloween. That being said, if He-Man is in the second half as little as I have heard he is in the first half, then I will readily admit Warboss was right and I was wrong.
LunarSol wrote: Ultimately I can't help shake the feeling that what the show really needs is an episode or two of reestablishing the original dynamic before subverting it. Like, in my head the world was always kind of a barbaric wasteland. The loss of magic doesn't really make things feel any worse off than they already did, despite constantly being told how bad things are now.
Show needed two episodes before Skeletor's big heist. One to reaffirm the original setting, one where Skeletor finds out all this pulled-from-my-ass hidden history.
Yeah, that. The 'failed for years and years' but suddenly knows layers upon layers of secrets and pulled it all off with the most basic and transparent of ruses really doesn't work.
They could have also gone with a couple episodes of Merc Teela and just shown off the relevant bits of Ep 1 in flashbacks, since they go ahead and do relationship building flashbacks in the very next episode anyway.
The biggest problem for the series is they didn't do a week by week release OR a one and done release. First few episodes and a hard stop is making for a hard sell. There is obviously more, but they picked one of the worst possible ways to kick it off AND cut it up.
random idea. a sorta sequel to the live action movie
Dolph Lundgren as King Adam/ Old Man He-man
if it did well, maybe use the momentum to give us King Conan while Arnold still can get in shape enough for it
I think a lot of you guys are forgetting what happened right before Teela's outburst at the very beginning.
The King banished her Father for keeping Adams secret and then ordered Teela to escort her own father out of the throne room. Then she launches her "How DARE you!" speech and storms out. It isn't just Teela grieving, it's Teela grieving and watching others who are grieving start to turn on each other looking for someone to blame, and choosing not to be a part of it.
AegisGrimm wrote: Why is everyone so butthurt about the size of Teela's muscles in this? She has the exact same size muscles as Evil-Lynn. They are practically the same base form with a clothing and hair swap.
It's freaking Eternia. Everyone is some flavor of barbarian, even if they are using guns!
I blame 90 years worth of superhero comics and cartoons teaching multiple generations that male heroes should be buff, while female heroes should look like catwalk models.
It's absurd, and I for one hope this trend of allowing women to actually look like capable warriors continues.
Well it's what people find attractive and Sex Sells. If you need more proof of this you only need to check out Just Chatting women on Twitch whether V-tubers or Super Thicc and Curvy ladies are all attractive and often have Major Boobage and Cleavage. You can tell people the opposite but thousands of consistent viewers and the ability to buy a house from OnlyFans money or money from Twitch just shows people still find these women attractive perhaps more so than they even used to. Ofc this also shows the desperation of many men out there.
Also i find it weird the Massive Muscles of women are more realistic to women and aren't body shaming while Curvy women actually are. In reality we've only shifted the ideal body from group to group but everybody else is still to be shamed i guess. Whatever it's just tiresome to see all this.
Yes, I understand that superhero woman are drawn the way they are because it sells. My point was that it's stupid for them to all be drawn that way, and I would much rather see them drawn in a way that is believable. Wonder Woman shouldn't look like a catwalk model. She should look like someone who can punch through a tank... you know, the way a super-strong male hero is drawn.
It's not about 'ideal' bodies. It's about the body looking appropriate for the role. And that's something that they got very right with this series - the update to Teela is fantastic, and I'd love to see more of it where it's appropriate.
AegisGrimm wrote: Why is everyone so butthurt about the size of Teela's muscles in this? She has the exact same size muscles as Evil-Lynn. They are practically the same base form with a clothing and hair swap.
It's freaking Eternia. Everyone is some flavor of barbarian, even if they are using guns!
I blame 90 years worth of superhero comics and cartoons teaching multiple generations that male heroes should be buff, while female heroes should look like catwalk models.
It's absurd, and I for one hope this trend of allowing women to actually look like capable warriors continues.
Well it's what people find attractive and Sex Sells.
Turns out... not quite. Sex sells... if what you're selling is sex. It doesn't really help all that much to sell anything else, according to most studies.
insaniak wrote: Yes, I understand that superhero woman are drawn the way they are because it sells. My point was that it's stupid for them to all be drawn that way, and I would much rather see them drawn in a way that is believable. Wonder Woman shouldn't look like a catwalk model. She should look like someone who can punch through a tank... you know, the way a super-strong male hero is drawn.
It's not about 'ideal' bodies. It's about the body looking appropriate for the role. And that's something that they got very right with this series - the update to Teela is fantastic, and I'd love to see more of it where it's appropriate.
My thoughts exactly. There is a place for a female character who's a svelte scholarly mage, and then there's a place for a representative of a race of basically techno-barbarians. I don't mind it in cartoons and comics that are supposed to be overly-exaggerated when it comes to archetypes, both male and female.
insaniak wrote: Yes, I understand that superhero woman are drawn the way they are because it sells. My point was that it's stupid for them to all be drawn that way, and I would much rather see them drawn in a way that is believable. Wonder Woman shouldn't look like a catwalk model. She should look like someone who can punch through a tank... you know, the way a super-strong male hero is drawn.
It's not about 'ideal' bodies. It's about the body looking appropriate for the role. And that's something that they got very right with this series - the update to Teela is fantastic, and I'd love to see more of it where it's appropriate.
My thoughts exactly. There is a place for a female character who's a svelte scholarly mage, and then there's a place for a representative of a race of basically techno-barbarians. I don't mind it in cartoons and comics that are supposed to be overly-exaggerated when it comes to archetypes, both male and female.
Teela isn't even particularly over-exaggerated (and Andra isn't at all). She has muscles, but they aren't extreme, and her build, while tall, is actually very normal- she's broad in the shoulders, waist AND hips, which works for her, as it does for a lot a women.
I've see that basic build several times a day, if not quite so athletic. In fact, as I looked up at one particular woman this morning I thought, 'this is basically a real version of Teela.'
So I caught up to episode five yesterday. That... was bland. And very, very, very rushed.
And they set up at least have a dozen of Chekov's guns (from the 'things are not what they seem' factory), which are either going to fire simultaneously in the next bit, or we're going to have to wait for the really obviously telegraphed heel-face turn, the 'not actually dead' and the 'who has the power now' moments.
That said, given the butcher's bill so far, I figure the 'turn' will end in death, and I'm going to be sad about it, because Lyn is obviously the best character in the show.
I do want to know why someone thought that the initial arc should end in 15 minutes of the heroes standing still like idiots, not reacting to ANYTHING happening around them. That was just amazingly anti-climatic and dull, with very bizarre pacing.
The whole set of episodes is very keen to have people go through a tense confrontation and either just trail off unresolved or just... wander away.
Voss wrote: I do want to know why someone thought that the initial arc should end in 15 minutes of the heroes standing still like idiots, not reacting to ANYTHING happening around them. That was just amazingly anti-climatic and dull, with very bizarre pacing.
That's been happening all the way through. I suspect it's supposed to be another nod to the original cartoon, where a ridiculously low budget meant that anything in the background only moved if it absolutely had to, and everyone was quite happy to just stand around for a little exposition in the middle of a battle.
Voss wrote: I do want to know why someone thought that the initial arc should end in 15 minutes of the heroes standing still like idiots, not reacting to ANYTHING happening around them. That was just amazingly anti-climatic and dull, with very bizarre pacing.
That's been happening all the way through. I suspect it's supposed to be another nod to the original cartoon, where a ridiculously low budget meant that anything in the background only moved if it absolutely had to, and everyone was quite happy to just stand around for a little exposition in the middle of a battle.
Yeah, you're not wrong about it happening repeatedly. The scene where Man-at-Arms 'rescued' them from Mer-man and flunkies was a puzzler in the same way. It also felt excessive that he said goodbye, followed them all the way out there, then immediately left again. Basically undermined the journey as something trivial just so they could have one specific character show off (rather than any of the ones that were actually on the journey). He was plenty able to show off at the beginning and end (immediately when they came back).
But this involved everyone standing in a round room with all eyes watching Adam hold up the sword and get... interrupted. They couldn't possibly have not seen what was happening.
And then everyone paused to listen to what was an entire Joker rant rather than doing something about... anything.
I don't think it was a nod to the original's crappy budget, though. I just think Kevin is bad at pacing action scenes and chose to plod all the way through a paint-by-numbers Heroes Journey (rushing the Hero's refusal and acceptance just a wee bit, as well as skipping out on the introspection at what are supposed to be growth moments) with a touch of Orpheus rescuing Eurydice. Its like Kevin Smith was channeling Joss Whedon for this arc, and was fanboying a bit too much about working with Hamil again.
Besides, only morons and toddlers rewatch stuff this quickly?
Or you know, if you are really invested in a show. I lost count of how many times I rewatched She-Ra and the Princesses of Power. And to give some credits to the haters, Revelation is not a show that got me really invested.
I didn't hate it. but I didn't love it. It is an okay short half-show with great animation and voice acting and mediocre writing. I will watch the second half, but I don't have high expectations.
EDIT: Ok, there were something I did like a lot, and it was Evil-Lyn and Orko's side-plot.
Azreal13 wrote: Besides, only morons and toddlers rewatch stuff this quickly?
That seems a bit unnecessarily antagonistic but I agree that most people don't immediately rewatch things that quickly, even if it is something they liked.
BlackoCatto wrote: Apparently view rate on Netflix plummeted, no rewatch.
Where do you check for ratings like that?
I believe he's referring to the show falling out of the top ten viewed shows you see every time you log into Netflix just a few days after release. It's not numerical ratings in the sense of it saying how many people are watching it but rather its relative popularity compared with other recent releases. Unless it behooves them like with a runaway hit ala Stranger Things, Netflix doesn't typically reveal actual watch numbers. Whether or not it's normal for a show to drop out of that a few days post release binging, I have no idea as I've never paid serious attention to it. Also, I don't believe rewatches contribute significantly to that ranking in the initial week of release but rather initial viewings but that's just my gut instinct and not some sort of double super secret insider info. Regardless, I'll watch the show next month.
Azreal13 wrote: Besides, only morons and toddlers rewatch stuff this quickly?
That seems a bit unnecessarily antagonistic but I agree that most people don't immediately rewatch things that quickly, even if it is something they liked.
I’ve watched Deep Space Nine (the best sci fi ever) perhaps 7 or 8 times, end to end. And that’s been out for decades.
The only things I immediately watch again have been the marvel shows. There tends to be a lot densely packed in there that you can easily miss first time around.
Otherwise the only shows that have been watched and rewatched over and over again are my going to bed shows. Shows I have seen so many times and are so light that I don't need to pay attention.
Azreal13 wrote: Besides, only morons and toddlers rewatch stuff this quickly?
That seems a bit unnecessarily antagonistic but I agree that most people don't immediately rewatch things that quickly, even if it is something they liked.
I’ve watched Deep Space Nine (the best sci fi ever) perhaps 7 or 8 times, end to end. And that’s been out for decades.
The issue isn't with rewatching things but revolves around rewatching them immediately. There are shows, several of witch Lance845 listed, and movies I have watched multiple times but none of which I finished then started right over again.
Seen a fair amount of talk suggesting that the 'spoilers' are (another) bait and switch. I'm personally still expecting a heel-face turn from Lynn. Or maybe just hoping that there's more to the villains than just chewing scenery for a boring power grab and lack of motivation at the level of power=kill everyone.
It mostly looks like nostalgia product placement (there were a lot of flyby cameos). With an extended intro from the Joker (again).
The odd thing is this is happening the same year as the other MotU reboot, which despite being Sentai He-man Beastwars with kids, it feels a fair bit deeper and less gimmicky.
That both follow behind the She-ra reboot (and on the same platform) and are a major step down in quality says a lot about the creators involved. A lot more thought, love and care went into She-ra, especially the psychology and motivations of all the major characters, and jettisoning any 'setting logic' that was based on 'just screw it, sell more toys.'
I was kind of ok with the new series, i mean yeah it was woke, but it didn't really tear down anyone, and that's the thing i hate about most woke revisionism, it's not about building up some people as much as it is tearing down, basically, white males.
I can't be anti woke, because i'm a lifelong trekker and TOS was woke AF. For that matter science fiction has been woke for a long long time too.
But that was classic woke, it was about inclusiveness and building up underrepresented people. Modern woke too often seems to be "Gak on whitey".
The real thing i've noticed is that back when woke was new and valid, it was dangerous. I mean a comic company was put out of business for doing one story that was very woke for its day.
That was an example of being woke when it was dangerous, now it's sort of dangerous not to be woke.
Anyway i'm looking forward to the new season, I mean from the preview it[s pretty obvious mark hamill is going to do skeletor just like the joker basically, same amoral philosophy, same maniacal laughter, etc. And yes, Evil Lynn's sudden but inevitable betrayal is clearly going to happen.
Super late to this party, but signed back up to Netflix because I thought it had Supernatural. It doesn’t, but I’ve paid my tenner so getting my monies worth.
This show is…..ok, I guess.
Not particularly gripping, but nothing particularly awful. Nearly finished the first half.
I was entertained by it. Different style from the first half, which is more episodic adventure of the week, while this is more one long continuous thing with a few brief lulls in the action. Skeletor is less Joker than I feared he would be. You can certainly hear the Joker in the tone there at times, but it’s usually different enough that it didn’t bother me. Lots of great one liners in there. Fisto and the other guy whose name I can’t recall or find off hand got done dirty.
I’ll stand by my opinion that this would have been. Lot better released differently though the first half is still forced and laden with pacing issues. Part 2 feels like the kind of pay off that was sorely lacking and while it’s best not to think too hard about any of it, it’s fun again while still having plot behind it. I’d be up for watching more if it’s done taking itself seriously.
Part 2 was much, much worse than part 1. Cringey dialogues, inappropriate quips, seemingly trying to skirt some line between being Avengers and being a modern Cartoon Network show for 10 year olds, at times self aware and at times not. Senseless plot with everybody switching character as required for the scene making for zero believability.
It’s a Fan Fiction. I don’t mean that in a nasty or inherently negative way. But it feels like Fan Fiction. The sort of thing that gets uploaded to YouTube. Competent enough, but more one person’s head canon.
The look of it is right. You can tell the team had a genuine love for the original toys - but it doesn’t really feel the full shilling,
Automatically Appended Next Post: If it was a fan fiction, I think folk might view it more favourably as an ambitious project.
But for a fully funded studio effort? It feels kinda cheap and rushed.
It’s a Fan Fiction. I don’t mean that in a nasty or inherently negative way. But it feels like Fan Fiction. The sort of thing that gets uploaded to YouTube. Competent enough, but more one person’s head canon.
The look of it is right. You can tell the team had a genuine love for the original toys - but it doesn’t really feel the full shilling,
Automatically Appended Next Post: If it was a fan fiction, I think folk might view it more favourably as an ambitious project.
But for a fully funded studio effort? It feels kinda cheap and rushed.
The funny part is that there is some legitimately good fan fiction out there, so while I think your assessment is correct, it's not even the GOOD kind of fan fiction. It's like the amateur hour of fan fiction with self inserts and the typical newbie writing pitfalls.
I think Netflix didn't do this series any favour by having the second part released right after the full season of Arcane, as the comparison is... striking.
I thought the first part was good enough for what it was, but this one was... not so.
Every single line from Randor is pretty cringey. Smiths love of characters explaining themselves to one another isn’t quite as bad as Part 1, but fanfic is certainly an apt description. Part 2 is thankfully just a lot less mean spirited about it.
Its made by Kevin Smith. The guy who wrote a terrible Batman comic (Cacophony) that is regularly criticized for being Kevin smiths fan fiction that somehow made it to print. So yeah. Fan fiction is an apt description.
I just finished part two. I am not a big He-Man person, but the trailer seem neat and I decided to give it a try. To be honest I am easily entertained so I enjoyed the entire series, though I think they would have been better served by a weekly release instead of having two parts of 5 episodes.
Motherboard seems neat so I am hopefully they get to do something with that. I am guessing that Motherboard is a separate thing created by this series?
I don’t know about Motherboard by name, but at the very end there that symbol is flashed above its head I recognized as Hordak, a big time He-Man/She-Ra villain.
Never watched the original show when I was a kid and watched the two parts back to back. I thought it was entertaining and pretty fun. It was very cheesy, but it was completely voluntary and very self aware. The animation was pretty darn good and so was the voice acting. All in all, I would give it a 7 out 10. The soundtrack has buried in my skull though and it did left me with one massive question:
How the feth can Skeletor actually kiss someone? He has no lips and no tongue (or any other facial organ). Then again, he hears, sees and talks without any problem so I guess it works on magic too.
AduroT wrote: I don’t know about Motherboard by name, but at the very end there that symbol is flashed above its head I recognized as Hordak, a big time He-Man/She-Ra villain.
We also saw Skeletor wearing the Horde symbol in Evil Lyn’s flashback.
AduroT wrote: I don’t know about Motherboard by name, but at the very end there that symbol is flashed above its head I recognized as Hordak, a big time He-Man/She-Ra villain.
We also saw Skeletor wearing the Horde symbol in Evil Lyn’s flashback.
In the original series, Hordak got retconned in as the big bad who Skeletor used to be a minion for before becoming his own villain. It's a nice bit of character writing that when Skeletor picks Lyn up from nothing his outfit implies that at this point he himself is just a lackey. Pleasant surprise to see them do something more with it at the end.
Finally caught this. Ouch. This managed to be a step down from part 1, and just tossed a lot of the character work down the drain. New POV character was irrelevant and Lynn was frankly a travesty.
I'd love to know what informed Smith and his writers. Real ultimate power got passed around like a bag of popcorn and no one paid any price, shouldered any burden or suffered any consequence. (Of the Power, anyway. Skeletor and the buffoons he considered useless at the end was vaguely ironic). It felt really empty as a result. And made the historic line of champions and Sorceresses a bit of a joke.
I rarely hope for this, but hopefully Netflix will ignore the obvious sequel bait and quietly kill this version.
Voss wrote: Finally caught this. Ouch. This managed to be a step down from part 1, and just tossed a lot of the character work down the drain. New POV character was irrelevant and Lynn was frankly a travesty.
I'd love to know what informed Smith and his writers. Real ultimate power got passed around like a bag of popcorn and no one paid any price, shouldered any burden or suffered any consequence. (Of the Power, anyway. Skeletor and the buffoons he considered useless at the end was vaguely ironic). It felt really empty as a result. And made the historic line of champions and Sorceresses a bit of a joke.
I rarely hope for this, but hopefully Netflix will ignore the obvious sequel bait and quietly kill this version.
Hopefully, given that Cowboy Bebop was cancelled after only 3 weeks of release, they'll get the hint after they failed to try and make up for the first half with whatever an excuse of the rest of the show this is and take it out and put it out of its misery too.
Not sure why Revelation got so much hate.
It was certainly better than the original cartoon, which I never liked, even as a kid. It came off as too preachy.
While I wasn’t a huge fan of the forced Teela angle, overall the series in its entirety was above average. It managed to get me to watch the whole thing. Which is an accomplishment in itself, as I wouldn’t have sat through all the episodes if it wasn’t any good.
Looking forward to this new one as it looks even better.
The teased Hordak at the end of the previous series, doing the whole tech infection thing. This looks to be a continuation of that, though He Man looked maybe more inflated than I recall from the previous one.
Ghool wrote: Not sure why Revelation got so much hate. It was certainly better than the original cartoon, which I never liked, even as a kid. It came off as too preachy. While I wasn’t a huge fan of the forced Teela angle, overall the series in its entirety was above average. It managed to get me to watch the whole thing. Which is an accomplishment in itself, as I wouldn’t have sat through all the episodes if it wasn’t any good.
I agree, everything involving Teela in the second half was pretty bad including her phoned in voice acting, but everything else was great. Still think it got a lot of unfounded flak from misogynists just making up excuses to hate it (like "Kevin Smith hates Adam", "Kevin Smith hates Orco", "Kevin Smith hates men" etc when literally every male character in the series was amazing). I love replaying the Savage He-man powerup and powerdown scenes.
Ghool wrote: Not sure why Revelation got so much hate.
It was certainly better than the original cartoon, which I never liked, even as a kid. It came off as too preachy.
While I wasn’t a huge fan of the forced Teela angle, overall the series in its entirety was above average. It managed to get me to watch the whole thing. Which is an accomplishment in itself, as I wouldn’t have sat through all the episodes if it wasn’t any good.
Looking forward to this new one as it looks even better.
Honestly, its fine, but not particularly told in an engaging way. I think it would have benefited greatly from being a weekly series instead of the two half season thing we got. It gave people a couple months to stew on the first half and hate on it. Outside of a few great conversations (thanks Smith) a lot of it is trying to hard to establish a world without taking the time to tell stories in it. Then both the first episode and the last episode of the first half end on the same cliffhanger just leaves the whole thing feeling like a waste of time. The second half is the payoff, but there's got to be some of that in the first half to sell the second.
Ghool wrote: Not sure why Revelation got so much hate.
It was certainly better than the original cartoon, which I never liked, even as a kid. It came off as too preachy.
The 'preachyness' was a product of the kids TV rating rules at the time. In order to get approval for TV, they had to 'balance out' the show's violence with positive messages.
Ghool wrote: Not sure why Revelation got so much hate.
It was certainly better than the original cartoon, which I never liked, even as a kid. It came off as too preachy.
The 'preachyness' was a product of the kids TV rating rules at the time. In order to get approval for TV, they had to 'balance out' the show's violence with positive messages.
Oh I know all about that.
It’s essentially a 30 minute advert for toys, so they had to add a learning angle.
I was just stating that even as a 10 year old, I found it too preachy.
LunarSol wrote: trying to hard to establish a world without taking the time to tell stories in it
Very true, and the rate at which named characters are killed off makes me worry how long they can even keep going.
The biggest flaw was when Skeletor announced that He-man had been holding back the whole time, and if He-man had really used the power of Greyskull, he would've been beaten easily.
Its hard to take a show seriously when they establish that the hero held all the cards but just... didn't bother.
What?! The hero didn't just punch the guy's head clean of his shoulders because he could?
It's almost like they used a heroic character voluntarily adhering to a personal code, despite it making their life more difficult, as a source of dramatic tension!
I hope Hollywood doesn't hear about this, otherwise all those 20 minute films where the good guy just shoots the villain dead the first time they meet without exchanging a word will turn into convoluted 2 hour stories. Nobody's got time for that!
Automatically Appended Next Post: EDIT: It's also pretty much the same thing as in the Superior Spiderman arc where Otto discovers that Peter had been holding back the entire time.
Finally gave this a watch. It's definitely a big improvement over Revelations, though mostly in terms of structure. This is very well suited to the 5 episodes given and largely just a fun, "bash toys together" kind of deal that mostly makes good on the potential of the original. Basically just nostalgia bait, but enjoyable none the less and doesn't overstay its welcome.
Yeah, they had a lot of fun tying in the nostalgia in this one, and it felt much more like an evolution of the original cartoon than Revelations did. I snorted my drink when the battle armour clicked up.
