I mean i paint the warhammer way all the time too, base wash layer highlight.
What im saying i believe is that learning to properly use those techniques and how to apply them across several minis and color schemes is a very good thing to learn to teach new players.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean i paint the warhammer way all the time too, base wash layer highlight.
What im saying i believe is that learning to properly use those techniques and how to apply them across several minis and color schemes is a very good thing to learn to teach new players.

That's what he does in his videos. It's not explained in details, indeed, but he uses the painting video to explain step by step what to do with each color.

You have to start somewhere, and copying others is what we do at the beginning. We all did, even those who don't remember it and claim they were born with a brush in their hand.

Also, the format of the video is meant to be something light yet instructive. We'll see what Duncan will put for the paid subscription and if it is worth the money. However, I believe he made the right choice here. Youtube videos while meaning to have a paid subscription elsewhere are usually there to catch the eye of people. It is a fact that appealing to beginners is meant to draw more people than appealing to the elite painters (who already have their own tricks, anyway).

I'll personally be subscribing to support the content creator who I respect did a big thing by leaving GW

You know I always find it very interesting that even for (largely) beloved individuals like Duncan, as soon as they step out of the official Games Workshop(tm) alignment, there's a number of people who turn extremely critical about them.

Anyway, I'm impressed at the £3 price. It's still not something I'd subscribe to more than say... every 3-6 months unless there was a specific tutorial I wanted in that moment, but considering I subscribe to zero Twitch's, Patreons, etc that's saying something.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean i paint the warhammer way all the time too, base wash layer highlight.
What im saying i believe is that learning to properly use those techniques and how to apply them across several minis and color schemes is a very good thing to learn to teach new players.

Duncan is popular because he's extremely beginner friendly. He manages to produce work that's not exceptional by say... Golden Demon or professional work, but for your average player is fantastic. He breaks it down and displays it in such a way that your standard self-conscious, inexperienced painter can follow along with his steps and think to themselves, "Hey that seems simple enough, I could do that too!" Half the battle with getting models painted is motivation and Duncan's videos gave that to a lot of people. It's less about the actual techniques as it is giving people a kick up the arse to pick up a brush, paints and get started.

I loved the easy to follow, 2 minutes or less video formats. It helped me gain some tips and idea from tutorials I normally wouldnt have had interest in, factions I don't collect, and AOS guides.

 Arbitrator wrote:
You know I always find it very interesting that even for (largely) beloved individuals like Duncan, as soon as they step out of the official Games Workshop(tm) alignment, there's a number of people who turn extremely critical about them.

Anyway, I'm impressed at the £3 price. It's still not something I'd subscribe to more than say... every 3-6 months unless there was a specific tutorial I wanted in that moment, but considering I subscribe to zero Twitch's, Patreons, etc that's saying something.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean i paint the warhammer way all the time too, base wash layer highlight.
What im saying i believe is that learning to properly use those techniques and how to apply them across several minis and color schemes is a very good thing to learn to teach new players.

Duncan is popular because he's extremely beginner friendly. He manages to produce work that's not exceptional by say... Golden Demon or professional work, but for your average player is fantastic. He breaks it down and displays it in such a way that your standard self-conscious, inexperienced painter can follow along with his steps and think to themselves, "Hey that seems simple enough, I could do that too!" Half the battle with getting models painted is motivation and Duncan's videos gave that to a lot of people. It's less about the actual techniques as it is giving people a kick up the arse to pick up a brush, paints and get started.

I find myself to be very much in agreement with you.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Paying is not an option for me though, not even for state of the art painting tutorials that make you like a Picasso.

Specially when you have so much for free already available. The Warhammer channel for example delivers the exact same thing free of charge so I don't see how this would work out.

I think one video is too little to assume we know exactly what the entire channel will be.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ahh so giving an opinion on what i think these videos do is called elitism now.
There is nothing elitist about thinking these videos do more harm than good.
Teaching good, basic techniques, basecoating, washing and how to make your own scheme and make your own way to paint is 100% better than these videos and will make the hobby better.

I get why you don't like them, I even get why you think different tutorials would be more beneficial to new painters, but I'm stuck on how that is harmful to the hobby, or that other videos make the hobby better - how does how anyone else enjoys painting effect you?

I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

You have said that multiple times, so maybe its time to drop it? Some people agree, others do not and this argument has gained two in thread warnings so far.

 ingtaer wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

You have said that multiple times, so maybe its time to drop it? Some people agree, others do not and this argument has gained two in thread warnings so far.

Was it the debate that got the warning or the name calling that occured the got the warning, cause the debate seemed to continue for a bit after the name calling ended.

The whole "harmful to the community" tangent can be dropped I think.

deano2099 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Paying is not an option for me though, not even for state of the art painting tutorials that make you like a Picasso.

Specially when you have so much for free already available. The Warhammer channel for example delivers the exact same thing free of charge so I don't see how this would work out.

I think one video is too little to assume we know exactly what the entire channel will be.

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The video is one example of what he will add to the channel correct? So is my comparison, just one example...
I don't assume its the totality of what he will add to the academy but then again I don't discard it either. In short we don't know.

What I do know is the following, even if he diversifies to pro tutorials etc I will still not subscribe it.

Does subscribing to a YT channel cost money now?

 Albertorius wrote:
Does subscribing to a YT channel cost money now?

No.

No but academy thing he is doing yes.

Content on both will probably differ obviously.

 NAVARRO wrote:
No but academy thing he is doing yes.

Content on both will probably differ obviously.

I didn't actually quite catch that, tbh. Interesting. Still, watching the YT stuff might give you an idea of what he'll be doing and whether or not that's something that interests you.

If I understand correctly, it's a monthly subscription to access his full website, right?

Yes.

I'll subscribe and see what it's all about, I've always liked his format of tutorial and thought it was a shame they stopped doing them in favour of the current shorter and faster ones. So personally quite pleased that he's returning to a tried and tested format of video that works for him.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

Right, because I'm sure most people have difficulty thinking, "He uses red for that part, but I might try painting it blue instead!"

 Arbitrator wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have said it multiple times in the thread.
Rather then having people learn how to paint forthemselve, come up with their own paint recipe, this causes people to come out not being able to paint without folllowing along.
what happens to these people when something comes along they cant just follow a video or something, cause i have seen it, they get stuck and have a hard time painting.
That is why i think it is bad.

Right, because I'm sure most people have difficulty thinking, "He uses red for that part, but I might try painting it blue instead!"

As an inexperienced painter I find the problem isn't thinking of different colours to use; its more how to create those colours to look good. Ergo its learning how to make a red, or a blue or a green. Then the next level is "how do I make it look like a different material." Ergo a difference between shiny metallic armour green and cloth green and magical green etc...

So if you know a sister of battle is wearing black armour you might copy that part of the colour tutorial and put it on a Terminator.


Duncan's guides work great for this because he does tend to focus on each area and section when painting.


Of course the level up from that is writing down each of the recipes and working out how to blend them together - ergo which part to paint first, then second etc... So that you're not painting over the same spot; or so that you can unite certain steps like a nuln oil wash.

The Stormtrooper guide was pretty spot on. Love the way he combined different paints and shows the bennies of the wash.

Sorastro is kinda the gold standard for beginner friendly painting guides in non-GW circles. His more recent Marvel ones are fairly advanced right out the gate, but all of his board game & Legion guides are super easy to follow, and he likes to do the first half of a video on how to get them table-top ready (AKA "Battle Ready"), then the second half of his videos are how to take a basic paintjob and take it up a few levels. Sometimes he'll show glazing techniques or source-lighting or weathering effects.

Duncan shouldn't copy him wholesale, but the idea of "here's Battle Ready, now we're going to kick it up with X technique" would be a good one for him to do

 Arbitrator wrote:
You know I always find it very interesting that even for (largely) beloved individuals like Duncan, as soon as they step out of the official Games Workshop(tm) alignment, there's a number of people who turn extremely critical about them.

I have always been critical of Duncan Rhodes.

He is a GW pitchman who teaches people how to use the GW paint system to do basic technique. The brand allowed him to overshadow better painters people could learn more from, and keeps them from being exposed to a variety of other products.

The fact he's no longer with GW is a good thing, seeing him use product other than GW models is a good thing. I wish him success.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
You know I always find it very interesting that even for (largely) beloved individuals like Duncan, as soon as they step out of the official Games Workshop(tm) alignment, there's a number of people who turn extremely critical about them.

I have always been critical of Duncan Rhodes.

He is a GW pitchman who teaches people how to use the GW paint system to do basic technique. The brand allowed him to overshadow better painters people could learn more from, and keeps them from being exposed to a variety of other products.

The fact he's no longer with GW is a good thing, seeing him use product other than GW models is a good thing. I wish him success.

Completely agree with this statement.

 techsoldaten wrote:
The brand allowed him to overshadow better painters people could learn more from, and keeps them from being exposed to a variety of other products.

That isn't even slightly true. I personally don't watch his videos because I paint better than his vids teach people to paint, but to say that he's preventing people from being exposed to a variety of other teachers and products is patently false. If he didn't exist, it wouldn't mean that people will suddenly find themselves seeking out alternative sources of education. Unless what you are saying is "The fact that GW puts out these videos highlighting their own products means that people are less likely to seek alternate products", well, that would be the case with some people, but it would be their own fault and would have absolutely nothing to do with Duncan Rhodes.

Saw it, he seems to be getting better with presentation and such. but he still seems to lack energy other youtubers who paint do.
Im still confused on why he uses a ceramic plate. why not an egg carton palette or something like that?

I loved his stormtrooper demo.

And i always likes Peachy more because he was more fun.
I think alot of people got attached to the idea of duncan as this painter who is teaching them to paint, which is why alot of people always disliked when someoine new came in to teach even though they where teaching the same way ad duncan.
Duncan got alot of hype from the first 1-2 years it was just him teaching to paint that people got attached to him.

I love Peachys conversions. That's a series GW should start. They've done minor conversions but nothing major

I do like Duncan's style. And I do like the way his videos are presented. It's clear he got a lot of professionnal experience and knows how to make it look right.

Guess I'm used to his voice, but I do like people like him that have just the right tone and don't act "hyped" or "excited" just for the show / talking about nonsense in the middle of the video. Straight to the point, nothing more, nothing less. That's perfect for a tutorial video, IMHO.

And he can use whatever he wants for his wet palette.

 Kalamadea wrote:
Sorastro is kinda the gold standard for beginner friendly painting guides in non-GW circles. His more recent Marvel ones are fairly advanced right out the gate, but all of his board game & Legion guides are super easy to follow, and he likes to do the first half of a video on how to get them table-top ready (AKA "Battle Ready"), then the second half of his videos are how to take a basic paintjob and take it up a few levels. Sometimes he'll show glazing techniques or source-lighting or weathering effects.

Duncan shouldn't copy him wholesale, but the idea of "here's Battle Ready, now we're going to kick it up with X technique" would be a good one for him to do

Yup. Plus they work really well as a series, introducing techniques earlier on which are then reused later, in the style some people here like. But still focused on a specific mini.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And i always likes Peachy more because he was more fun.
I think alot of people got attached to the idea of duncan as this painter who is teaching them to paint, which is why alot of people always disliked when someoine new came in to teach even though they where teaching the same way ad duncan.
Duncan got alot of hype from the first 1-2 years it was just him teaching to paint that people got attached to him.

Or - and this is just a wild blue-sky thought here but go with me - people prefer different styles of presentation to you?

Personally I've often found the "HEY HO WATCHERINOS, LETS DO SOME PAINTING BRUH!!!! *guitar solo*" type of "energetic" presenter on YT grating as hell, I'm watching to get information not as entertainment.

I mean you can be both.
Sorastro is a perfect example, where informative and fun. another few like Angel Giraldez and Miniac are perfect example of both.
Duncan seems like he needs coffee, and LOTS of it.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean you can be both.
Sorastro is a perfect example, where informative and fun. another few like Angel Giraldez and Miniac are perfect example of both.
Duncan seems like he needs coffee, and LOTS of it.

Yeah I don't get where you're coming from at all. There's basically no difference between Duncan and Sorastro in terms of the "energy" of their "performance", and that warbling buffoon Miniac is exactly the kind of "style" I cannot stand.

It really does just seem like you're desperately casting about for reasons to dislike Duncan after your earlier attempt to pitch him as the Hobby Great Satan fell utterly flat.

I never once said anything of the ilk. you are being needlessly hyperbolic.
I personally never liked Duncan, i found him flat boring and his videos when they where lik 1:30m where tolerable. but these longer videos i find him boring and quite frankly put me to sleep.
Peachy, James workshop and others bring way more energy and enjoyment to their videos.
I never honestly saw the hype behind him and why people didnt like whenever someone else did a tutorial.
There are way better painters out there, Kenny Boucher, Miniac, Sorastro and Kujo to name a few that are way more enjoyable.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I never once said anything of the ilk. you are being needlessly hyperbolic.
I personally never liked Duncan, i found him flat boring and his videos when they where lik 1:30m where tolerable. but these longer videos i find him boring and quite frankly put me to sleep.
Peachy, James workshop and others bring way more energy and enjoyment to their videos.
I never honestly saw the hype behind him and why people didnt like whenever someone else did a tutorial.
There are way better painters out there, Kenny Boucher, Miniac, Sorastro and Kujo to name a few that are way more enjoyable.

I'm being needlessly hyperbolic? From the person who claimed that basic painting tutorials were "damaging the hobby" that's quite a remark

As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective? Even assuming the "more energy and enjoyment" line was accurate, preferring that style of presentation is just that, a preference, not an objective measure of quality. I find Boucher and Miniac to be utterly intolerable for more than a couple of minutes, but I don't spend my time haunting forum threads about their work denigrating them or making ludicrous claims about their negative influence on the hobby, I just don't watch their videos if I can help it. Sorastro and Duncan's more matter-of-fact delivery and straightforward "follow along and practice a bit and you can achieve the same result" is much more my speed, but I'm not going to pretend that means other styles are somehow invalid.

Then again, maybe I've just been "damaged" by too much exposure to Duncan's videos

 Yodhrin wrote:


As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective?

That would lead me to the question, do you genuinely believe that one has to specify that they know their own opinion is subjective whenever they make a statement like a qualitative judgement? I mean, aside from the fact that he's said stuff like "I personally" and "I found" and I never honestly saw", literally in the comment you're quoting. It's right there, look, it's there in the lines that you quoted.

Deleted as I think I maybe going off topic.

JWBS wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective?

That would lead me to the question, do you genuinely believe that one has to specify that they know their own opinion is subjective whenever they make a statement like a qualitative judgement? I mean, aside from the fact that he's said stuff like "I personally" and "I found" and I never honestly saw", literally in the comment you're quoting. It's right there, look, it's there in the lines that you quoted.

I honestly thought that people knew this as default. the fact that people feel the need to say "Dont you know its subjective" kinda makes me wonder what the internet has done to us!!

I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not a big watcher of painting videos preferring To try and improve by myself but some good tips in their. Casting the net far and wide I found to be the best way to find tips I could use, I.e mixing and matching the tips I like.

I liked the Stormtrooper video and want to see about adapting that recipe for white armor to my own uses at some point. I've not seen many white tutorials building up highlights on top of Contrast like that before, they always seemed to go either one way or the other (GW especially seems really reluctant to "cross the streams" in any way).

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I liked the Stormtrooper video and want to see about adapting that recipe for white armor to my own uses at some point. I've not seen many white tutorials building up highlights on top of Contrast like that before, they always seemed to go either one way or the other (GW especially seems really reluctant to "cross the streams" in any way).

I presume this is because contrast paints are marketed as more for beginners, I.e here is a quick and easy way to get your model painted and on tabletop?

That's my interpretation of it.

Marxist artist wrote:
I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not a big watcher of painting videos preferring To try and improve by myself but some good tips in their. Casting the net far and wide I found to be the best way to find tips I could use, I.e mixing and matching the tips I like.

I follow like 10-15 miniature and scale model painters lol. Not a day goes by I don't watch some painting tutorials.
But like I said, the biggest thjng for me is just finding new ways to do things, if it wasn't for scale modeling I should never have found Tamiya panel liner which changed my life.

JWBS wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective?

That would lead me to the question, do you genuinely believe that one has to specify that they know their own opinion is subjective whenever they make a statement like a qualitative judgement? I mean, aside from the fact that he's said stuff like "I personally" and "I found" and I never honestly saw", literally in the comment you're quoting. It's right there, look, it's there in the lines that you quoted.

And yet despite those hollow words, there's never any hint that hotsauceman understands what subjectivity means in context, given the previous pronouncements in the thread and the complete lack of ability to even comprehend how anyone could disagree, let alone a sincere acknowledgement such disagreement could be valid.

They've repeatedly made declarative statements about Duncan's quality, about the value or otherwise of the style of tutorial being presented, about the nature and qualities of the people who enjoy that style, and the fact that they only have opinions to back up those statements is exactly the point I'm attempting to get across.

Marxist artist wrote:
I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.

Not to make this a hatefest or anything, but I kind of get what you mean. He's very brash and extroverted, a style I'm perhaps already too old to appreciate. He clearly has a following and unmistakable skill, however. I'm a big fan of Vince Venturella's work, especially the long Q&As and feedback sessions he does, not to mention his product reviews.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:
I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not a big watcher of painting videos preferring To try and improve by myself but some good tips in their. Casting the net far and wide I found to be the best way to find tips I could use, I.e mixing and matching the tips I like.

I follow like 10-15 miniature and scale model painters lol. Not a day goes by I don't watch some painting tutorials.
But like I said, the biggest thjng for me is just finding new ways to do things, if it wasn't for scale modeling I should never have found Tamiya panel liner which changed my life.

What is tamiya panel liner?


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 Agamemnon2 wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:
I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.

Not to make this a hatefest or anything, but I kind of get what you mean. He's very brash and extroverted, a style I'm perhaps already too old to appreciate. He clearly has a following and unmistakable skill, however. I'm a big fan of Vince Venturella's work, especially the long Q&As and feedback sessions he does, not to mention his product reviews.

Is probably a sign of my age too, although I am not forced to watch him so it's fine, I don't doubt his talent just his presentation style is not to my likening. But has loads of subscribers so he must be doing something right.

There so many great painters with excellent tutorials for every aspect of the hobby.

To name a few YT channels Painting buddha, Kujo, Trovarion, Not just mecha, Sorastro, Dr. Faust painting clinic, Angel Giraldez, Vince Venturella,
Zatcaskagoon Miniatures (True grim dark style, oil paints...) and many more

My Favourites are Painting buddha, Trovarion and Kujo...one of the best hairy brush tutorials. Ben Komets from PB is just a world class painter and a teacher
and it shows.
The Not just mecha (Marco Frisoni) and Zatcaskagoon Miniatures are becoming one of my got to as well because of the alternative style which I want to learn
Oil painting, enamel...

I watch as many as I can and these channels offer so much content, various content, using all kind of paints and materials.

Kenny Boucher and Miniac although they offer excellent content are hard to watch, I take a look at some of their videos from time to time...but it's hard.

This guy is really good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Mzl7hFtdM

Marxist artist wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:
I checked out several of the other painters that hotsauceman listed and was suitably impressed , except Miniac who I found annoying.
Not a big watcher of painting videos preferring To try and improve by myself but some good tips in their. Casting the net far and wide I found to be the best way to find tips I could use, I.e mixing and matching the tips I like.

I follow like 10-15 miniature and scale model painters lol. Not a day goes by I don't watch some painting tutorials.
But like I said, the biggest thjng for me is just finding new ways to do things, if it wasn't for scale modeling I should never have found Tamiya panel liner which changed my life.

What is tamiya panel liner?

It's a dark enamel wash designed for easy panel lining on scale model kits. I've not tried it myself, but I've read several articles and testimonials about how good it is for things like modern military models with a lot of detail like that.

JWBS wrote:
This guy is really good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Mzl7hFtdM

I agree, I've seen some of his videos. The weathering and chipping tutorials are golden...gonna implement the techniques in my toolbox for sure.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


As to the rest of it, I have to ask, do you genuinely not realise that all of those things you said are entirely subjective?

That would lead me to the question, do you genuinely believe that one has to specify that they know their own opinion is subjective whenever they make a statement like a qualitative judgement? I mean, aside from the fact that he's said stuff like "I personally" and "I found" and I never honestly saw", literally in the comment you're quoting. It's right there, look, it's there in the lines that you quoted.

I honestly thought that people knew this as default. the fact that people feel the need to say "Dont you know its subjective" kinda makes me wonder what the internet has done to us!!

Yeah, it's a given that anyone expressing their opinion in definitive terms is actually aware that their opinion is not really definitive and also knows that they aren't obliged to acknowledge that fact.

Yodhrin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And i always likes Peachy more because he was more fun.
I think alot of people got attached to the idea of duncan as this painter who is teaching them to paint, which is why alot of people always disliked when someoine new came in to teach even though they where teaching the same way ad duncan.
Duncan got alot of hype from the first 1-2 years it was just him teaching to paint that people got attached to him.

Or - and this is just a wild blue-sky thought here but go with me - people prefer different styles of presentation to you?

Personally I've often found the "HEY HO WATCHERINOS, LETS DO SOME PAINTING BRUH!!!! *guitar solo*" type of "energetic" presenter on YT grating as hell, I'm watching to get information not as entertainment.

hotsauceman1 wrote:I mean you can be both.
Sorastro is a perfect example, where informative and fun. another few like Angel Giraldez and Miniac are perfect example of both.
Duncan seems like he needs coffee, and LOTS of it.

Different people like different things, news at eleven.

I mean, surely there's nothing wrong with that and everyone can go watch what they prefer, right? Even comment on what they don't and why, I'm sure.

I feel like a conversation of who is a good painter to watch, though great and quite useful, should be in general or in M&P or something. As they aren’t anything to do with Duncan’s channel.

(Side note though, yeah I do think Miniac is a bit annoying at times, but I have still watched several of his videos. Whereas if someone is really bad I don’t think I would ever watch them again).

(Also HotSauce, at least one potentially more painting videos! I wish I had the time, I don’t even have the time for painting my own let alone watching others.
Maybe down the line, newborn baby and my 3 year old aside )

Danny76 wrote:
I feel like a conversation of who is a good painter to watch, though great and quite useful, should be in general or in M&P or something. As they aren’t anything to do with Duncan’s channel.

(Side note though, yeah I do think Miniac is a bit annoying at times, but I have still watched several of his videos. Whereas if someone is really bad I don’t think I would ever watch them again).

(Also HotSauce, at least one potentially more painting videos! I wish I had the time, I don’t even have the time for painting my own let alone watching others.
Maybe down the line, newborn baby and my 3 year old aside )

You have a very valid point in regards going a bit off topic I am as guilty as any.

Duncan's latest miniature is a Bolt Action German Grenadier ('44-'45):

I like Duncan's tutorials and I won't miss £4 a month so supporting his venture, even if I only watch 10% of the content. feels like a good thing to do given the economic situation.

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We're very excited to tell you that we plan to launch our site on Friday 27th of March! This is of course dependent on current events, but so far so good. We have a nice catalogue of videos ready for you to enjoy and it will be updated with new content every week.

From the newsletter, sent out yesterday:

Well, what strange times we are living in. It's all becoming a little bit weird out there, but we both sincerely hope you're getting on well and are keeping safe.

We thought about delaying our launch until everything gets back to normal but in the end decided to stick to our plan- we're almost ready and are excited to say that the Academy will go live tomorrow on the 27th of March!

The Keeper of Secrets is the star of our longest and most in-depth tutorial in the Academy. This miniature is a fabulous kit from Games Workshop and the centrepiece of a daemonic army, and is bedecked with jewels, opulence and detail. Clocking in at 50 minutes long, Duncan takes you through the entire process of painting the miniature from start to finish including what sub-assemblies to build it in for ease of access to detail, and showcases how to use Citadel Contrast paints and Contrast Medium to achieve smooth blends and soft shading across the skin and onto the claws.

This is a video we have wanted to make for a long time and has been the culmination of a lot of hard work. We made every effort to make sure that the tuition is clear and detailed, and that the shots (the closeup in particular) show everything sharper than ever before. This video is for now the longest that we have on the site but it will soon be joined by more centrepiece tutorials for large minis!

There are of course many more videos on the site and there will be many more, and soon. We will be adding new videos every week (depending on current events of course), so tomorrow head over to duncanrhodes.com and check it out! Thanks so much for your interest, we really hope that you sign up to the site and enjoy taking a look at what we have been making!

Keep safe.

-Dunc and Rog

 BrookM wrote:
From the newsletter, sent out yesterday:

Well, what strange times we are living in. It's all becoming a little bit weird out there, but we both sincerely hope you're getting on well and are keeping safe.

We thought about delaying our launch until everything gets back to normal but in the end decided to stick to our plan- we're almost ready and are excited to say that the Academy will go live tomorrow on the 27th of March!

The Keeper of Secrets is the star of our longest and most in-depth tutorial in the Academy. This miniature is a fabulous kit from Games Workshop and the centrepiece of a daemonic army, and is bedecked with jewels, opulence and detail. Clocking in at 50 minutes long, Duncan takes you through the entire process of painting the miniature from start to finish including what sub-assemblies to build it in for ease of access to detail, and showcases how to use Citadel Contrast paints and Contrast Medium to achieve smooth blends and soft shading across the skin and onto the claws.

This is a video we have wanted to make for a long time and has been the culmination of a lot of hard work. We made every effort to make sure that the tuition is clear and detailed, and that the shots (the closeup in particular) show everything sharper than ever before. This video is for now the longest that we have on the site but it will soon be joined by more centrepiece tutorials for large minis!

There are of course many more videos on the site and there will be many more, and soon. We will be adding new videos every week (depending on current events of course), so tomorrow head over to duncanrhodes.com and check it out! Thanks so much for your interest, we really hope that you sign up to the site and enjoy taking a look at what we have been making!

Keep safe.

-Dunc and Rog

Sounds good. Is it behind a paywall? I don't want to harp on it (I fell like I am because I've said it already in this thread), but what has been shown on YT so far is some very basic B stuff - is this more of the same? I'm very curious to see. If this is the big launch vid, as seems to be indicated here, then it sounds like it will dictate whether or not I personally am willing to pay a subscription to this service (I'm certainly a potential customer, depending on the product offered). Like I say, I'm quite keen to see how it looks.

I'd say, check out the website: http://duncanrhodes.com/ but right now it's down due to all the traffic hitting it.

The website has launched, and immediately crashed from everyone clicking on the link. Is that a first in the hobbyworld?

Subscribed... but cannot access to the url...

I will have to try again later I think.

Managed to get in, a load of tutorials are present, including the following: Brotherhood of Steel Paladin, Crucible Guard infantry, how to do grassy bases and the Keeper of Secrets.

There are also some resources available, including a colour wheel and a colour comparison chart for the paints put out be several of the bigger manufacturers out there.

 BrookM wrote:
Managed to get in, a load of tutorials are present, including the following: Brotherhood of Steel Paladin, Crucible Guard infantry, how to do grassy bases and the Keeper of Secrets.

There are also some resources available, including a colour wheel and a colour comparison chart for the paints put out be several of the bigger manufacturers out there.

Yes, nice content indeed.

Subbed, enjoying the content so far, nice to see such a wide range of categories with a decent starting portfolio

Wonder why he didn't go with Patreon? I guess they're banking on him being a big enough name that he doesn't need the exposure Patreon provides. And they've got their own payment and membership infrastructure which would also be a big deterrent to the average content creator. Hope they're right and it works out!

Patreon has those extra fees involved, IIRC 5% extra that goes to Patreon and a % added on top for VAT / taxes etc. Mind, Paypal has them as well, but nowhere near as steep as those tacked on top of your average Patreon subscription.

Patreon also love to go political and ban people they didn't like, or ban people following accusations without thoroughly investigate the matter.

One day you would be fine but the next day their updated policy might deems you aren't

I think some of those Patreon bans are likely like youtube and a lot of other big sites in that they react to bulk reports automatically or with very low level staff who basically respond like an automatic machine to lots of reports. So its possible for a single person with a lot of time and a variable IP or a small group to target a person and get them shut down. Andl of course, proving you were innocent is a lot harder than proving fake guilt.


But yes I'd wager he's banking on having enough marketing and exposure and trust from his fanbase that he doesn't need Patreon to be the middleman. Plus if he's got the software to take payments by direct debit/regular skype charges then he doesn't need patreon to manage that.

I get the feeling that patreon is far more US focused than elsewhere (sort of like the early days of KS), so they may feel that his UK/European fan base is less likely to pay via this platform

 Mymearan wrote:
Wonder why he didn't go with Patreon?

Duncan gave a brief explanation why at about the 2:33 mark in the video below:

Last Friday Roger clicked the button and the Academy was finally opened for all to see... and then we were rapidly overwhelmed by the sudden demand, so much higher than we expected that it caused the server to overload and crash! If you were caught in this then we apologise but all is running smoothly now, and If you have any problems then be sure to let us know. This was a huge moment for us and a lot of hard work had gone into it- thank you so much to everyone who joined, your support means more than you can ever know to us!

Since the launch we've had a few questions as to how often we will be adding new content and how much of it. The answer is around 2-3 new regular videos for a normal week, depending on the miniature. Once a month we will instead be spending a whole week on one big centrepiece model (such as the Keeper of Secrets), so overall it will be around 8 new videos a month, give or take.

This week we have three new videos for you that shall be released on Friday 3rd March (one for free and the other two for Academy members)- be sure to let us know what you think of them and perhaps what you'd like to see in the future! You can contact us either on our social media, or via the 'Contact Us' section of the website.

Three new tutorials will be:

- Lannister Guardsman for A Song of Ice and Fire by CMON
- Word Bearers Chaos Space Marine
- Snowy base

His Word Bearers look stunning, seriously tempted to take up his metallic

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Wonder why he didn't go with Patreon?

Duncan gave a brief explanation why at about the 2:33 mark in the video below:

I agree about the blog style thing. Looking through even the previous month's content is pretty annoying on patreon. I think the blog style with tags would be really bad for a painting school.

New Youtube tutorial up:

Ducan's latest video, covering Contrast paints...

Skip ahead if my rambling story is of no interest.

This is my first post here; I found the (sometimes heated) discussion interesting, and it's given me a few useful pointers, so here's my thoughts.

In the late bronze age (1997-2000 or so), when I last bought miniatures, there must have been painting tips somewhere — perhaps White Dwarf magazine, but I didn't have money to spare on that. I doubt there was anything on the Internet: digital cameras were only just becoming available in 2000, and were expensive. I therefore used a "one thick, neat coat" method for my Bretonnians, and became the best painter amongst my friends when someone in Games Workshop sold me a wash. I enjoyed painting more than playing (I usually lost), but with no idea how to improve, I moved to other hobbies after 3 years or so.

Anticipating a quarantine in March, and wondering what indoor thing I could fill some time with, I came across WHTV and Duncan's videos. That was exactly the motivation I needed — clear instructions to paint a model just like on the box. My Bretonnians are at my mother's house, so I rushed to the Warhammer shop and bought a "Start Collecting" set and a large special character.

It has been a nice diversion during the semi-quarantine, although with covering for a sick colleague I've had less time than I anticipated. The detail seems better than it used to be, but my eyes are worse, and I now understand why my dad would say things like "I don't know how you can see that in this light".

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I've watched a fair few painting videos, and experimented with some of the suggestions. At my level of ability and experience, Duncan's have been by far the most useful, and the most enjoyable to watch. I don't have the creativity to invent a colour scheme, Duncan provides it without needing to mix paints. The pace is good and he isn't over-the-top or insincere. The editing and camera work is excellent. The techniques used are generally the same, but I've yet to master them (I've barely started). In special cases like the focus of a large model he covers something slightly more complicated.

There are certainly videos showing more advanced techniques, and it's fascinating to watch what they do, but I won't reach their level. I have other interests, and since I'm not a teenager any more, I simply don't have time. I also don't want to spend time watching lectures on colour theory or anything else "boring" — after 7½ hours concentrating on work, I want to relax with painting rather than study!

So, anyway, I subscribed to Duncan's new site. (Now bear in mind I have no idea what I'm talking about.) His tutorial to paint the Keeper of Secrets shows imitating a Citadel contrast paint from a base paint and contrast medium, and then using a stronger mix on some areas and blending it on the model with pure contrast medium for an even gradient. Another video on contrast paints was uploaded today to Youtube, as this is my first post I'm not able to give a proper link... (edit – I don't need to, Ghaz just posted it.)

The other new video this week was just announced: "For World War II this week we have a tutorial for the first tank on the site, a Panzer IV in the three colour camouflage that German vehicles were painted in during 1943-45. The patterns of this camouflage were many and varied and this tutorial gives advice on how to make a pattern of your own as well as pointers to what colours to use and how to highlight them. It also goes into great detail in weathering the model to make it look like it has seen a lot of action, including showing how to use weathering powders! As many German war machines were painted in this way during the war this guide is useful no matter what tank, half-track, or anti-tank gun you are painting and can even be used for vehicles outside of World War II, such as sci-fi tanks and vehicles."

"pattern of your own" and "weathering powders" weren't in the WHTV videos, so that should reassure some of you that this isn't just a continuation of the same old stuff.

 Ghaz wrote:
Ducan's latest video, covering Contrast paints...

So i found a lot of this out myself experimenting with the paint when they were released. Its interesting that effectively Duncan goes against the advice/line that GW took with Contract paints of "slap it on and it will be wonderful". Contract paints have their place and area great tool in the arsenal. But they are not the wonder product that GW sold them as.

I don't agree actually. Using them in the way GW tell you to won't win any Golden Daemons, but there's no other way to paint an army to the most basic standard that's as quick *and* as easy(airbrushing has a much higher barrier of entry and will require a reasonable amount of practice to achieve similar results, beginner-level drybrushing looks like arse 99% of the time, and yes while it's technically possible to make a similar but not actually exactly the same product yourself with the right ingredients it's not practicable for beginners and too much effort for people who don't care about painting).

In the hands of a beginner, it permits adequate results with absolutely zero experience, and the kind of practice it requires to achieve better results - really good brush control - develops a skill that is useful for every technique they might try in the future. In the hands of someone with a bit of experience, it can do a lot of different things.

Let's be real, if a different company had come along with a product that allows for basic tabletop paintjobs in one application over a rattlecan coat, but which could also be used in the hands of more experienced painters in place of a wash, a glaze, an ink, which can be wet-blended easily, and which can be used in place of a lot of "specialist" weathering products, a "wonder product" is exactly what most people would be calling it. People are only so dismissive because it's GW, and because they chose to focus on flogging the beginner side of it.

Have to agree with the guy above me, GW could produce a.working vaccine for Corrona virus and give it to the world for free and the "community" would bitch that it's the wrong colour syringe.

If you look at the GW Beastgrave painting videos they use similar techniques, mixing contrast with highlight and regular paints.

Obispudkenobi wrote:
Have to agree with the guy above me, GW could produce a.working vaccine for Corrona virus and give it to the world for free and the "community" would bitch that it's the wrong colour syringe.

More that the marketing was a bit silly from my point of view.

As a pot on the rack contrast paint has plenty of uses for every level of painter.

Obispudkenobi wrote:
Have to agree with the guy above me, GW could produce a.working vaccine for Corrona virus and give it to the world for free and the "community" would bitch that it's the wrong colour syringe.
Which was

Yodhrin wrote:
Let's be real, if a different company had come along with a product that allows for basic tabletop paintjobs in one application over a rattlecan coat, but which could also be used in the hands of more experienced painters in place of a wash, a glaze, an ink, which can be wet-blended easily, and which can be used in place of a lot of "specialist" weathering products, a "wonder product" is exactly what most people would be calling it. People are only so dismissive because it's GW, and because they chose to focus on flogging the beginner side of it.

1. If GW had invented that cure, we all know they'd look at the going rate for it, logo it up, tm it, and sell it for triple the amount in a limited release.

2. If any other company had created contrast paint, the GW fans would have laughed it off the face of the planet.


Back OT... I've not seen the new Duncan vids. I used to quite enjoy his old GW ones, except I always felt for him having to continually say outloud the ridiculous new paint names. Is he using much non-GW product yet?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Obispudkenobi wrote:
Have to agree with the guy above me, GW could produce a.working vaccine for Corrona virus and give it to the world for free and the "community" would bitch that it's the wrong colour syringe.
Which was

Yodhrin wrote:
Let's be real, if a different company had come along with a product that allows for basic tabletop paintjobs in one application over a rattlecan coat, but which could also be used in the hands of more experienced painters in place of a wash, a glaze, an ink, which can be wet-blended easily, and which can be used in place of a lot of "specialist" weathering products, a "wonder product" is exactly what most people would be calling it. People are only so dismissive because it's GW, and because they chose to focus on flogging the beginner side of it.

1. If GW had invented that cure, we all know they'd look at the going rate for it, logo it up, tm it, and sell it for triple the amount in a limited release.

2. If any other company had created contrast paint, the GW fans would have laughed it off the face of the planet.


Back OT... I've not seen the new Duncan vids. I used to quite enjoy his old GW ones, except I always felt for him having to continually say outloud the ridiculous new paint names. Is he using much non-GW product yet?

Almost immediately. Some Army Painter brushes, tell you equivalents in other paint ranges for paints he uses, as well as using Army Painter paints amongst others, along with weathering powders etc.

Enjoying his latest contrast video. Shows how constrained he was whilst with GW and in toeing the party line. Shows how versatile contrast paints are as a tool and not just in the narrow marketing niche GW puts them in. Ordered some contrast paints off of the back of it

 winnertakesall wrote:
Shows how versatile contrast paints are as a tool and not just in the narrow marketing niche GW puts them in.

Then you haven't seen some of the more advanced painting tutorials GW has done using Contrast paints.

New tutorial on the site: Chaos Knight!

And coming next week:

Next week we will be adding another technique video where we will be going into detail of applying transfers to your models. We will also be going back to some regular-sized miniatures, including a Space Marine Chapter that is notoriously hard to paint, and a fan-favourite character from a galaxy far far away.

I assume either White Scars or Imp Fists?

BrookM should this be moved to another forum now? As it’s past being news, as it were.
Either general or P&M I guess.
Only, it’ll be here forever if we post every time he does a new video.
(I’ve got him on YT now, so I don’t need it in the news section, I guess depends on everyone’s opinion..)

Agreed. No longer N&R. I’d say painting tutorials, honestly.