tneva82 wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Other than that, Space Wolves go back to the very tail end of Rogue Trader, in so far as they got Roger, Nigel and Eric as named characters. Ultramarines got the first Marine Codex in 2nd Ed, then Space Wolves (introducing Blood Claws, Grey Hunters etc. I think. Those may have been in Epic as well?), finally Angels of Death, a combo-codex for Blood and Dark Angels.

Space Wolves were first (IIRC SW were the first Codex for 2nd Ed) but yes.

Correct. Wolves were the first one to get codex.

I remember playing Space Wolves back in the Rogue Trader days - the rules were originally published in White Dwarf 157 in January 1993!

The marine faction as a single entity wouldn't be manageable commercially.

They are breaking it down into multiple sub factions so that they can better manage them.

Each subfaction of marines has probably as many players as other main factions.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
So books should be released on what makes most profits. More books for non selling factions isn't efficient.

And that's why Sisters of Battle got re-done.

Wait, wait?

Don't forget Genestealer Cults i'm sure they sold really well before they existed.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
So books should be released on what makes most profits. More books for non selling factions isn't efficient.

And that's why Sisters of Battle got re-done.

Wait, wait?

Don't forget Genestealer Cults i'm sure they sold really well before they existed.

What is this supposed to even mean? Custodes, Deathwatch, GSC, new SOB, all didn't have ranges or models (except sisters, I suppose) until recently. I don't know what point you're trying to make, other than "these new models were popular AND didn't exist prior, so you're wrong." That doesn't seem to be a good argument. I mean, Primaris didn't exist until recently too.

What's stopping someone from saying "Remember that Blood of the Phoenix boxset? It had new Eldar and Dark Eldar models, and it never sold out. Guess Xenos players don't care about their models, since they didn't buy the boxset en mass, which showsGW they're not a big seller."

Umbros wrote:
How do you even know it is op??? The book hasn't even released. They were annihalated in the tabletop titans battle report.

There's definitely power in there but I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

Wouldn't use ttt reports as power measurements seeing they don't go full out nastyness and try to balance out forces to provide closer games. You don't use games where one side　handicaps itself as balance measurement.

They aren't aiming for balance checks but interesting games.

tneva82 wrote:

Umbros wrote:
How do you even know it is op??? The book hasn't even released. They were annihalated in the tabletop titans battle report.

There's definitely power in there but I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

Wouldn't use ttt reports as power measurements seeing they don't go full out nastyness and try to balance out forces to provide closer games. You don't use games where one side　handicaps itself as balance measurement.

They aren't aiming for balance checks but interesting games.

I agree. But better evidence than anyone else has, right now.

...i really don't think comparing Harlies with their astounding 6 kits or Knights with...4 or 5 iirc, or TS which are mostly the same units as CSM with 4 unique kits to 100+ marine boxes and blisters is quite the same effort?

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Flipsiders wrote:
The only difference is that Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines are currently the two factions in the game which actually have room for a bunch of extra codices, since each legion has such a distinctive identity. As much as I love Evil Sunz, for instance, I know they really don't have enough room for an entire book of their own.

That's not true.

Blood Angels didn't get a bunch of variant units, expanded background, and a marginally different playstyle compared to Doom Eagles because those changes inherently existed - they were created in order to MAKE Blood Angels more different, thus justifying the different rules.

If the same process was applied to Evil Sunz, they could easily 'deserve' a separate Codex/Supplement to the same extent that Blood Angels do.

(Not that Blood Angels OR Evil Sunz should actually have separate books from their parent factions of course!)

I agree with what you're saying here in theory, but I think you're undervaluing the importance of prior changes. Blood Angels are popular enough that they have been given a metric truckload of fluff over the past 25 years or so, from successor chapters to super special units like the Sanguinary Guard to a major role in a 50-novel megaseries, and all of that can be turned into unique rules and models for the chapter. The BA codex doesn't exist to add more differentiating factors as much as it does to account for all the differentiating factors that already exist. Meanwhile, if we want to go back to Evil Sunz, what do they have that separates them from other clans? Well, they like going fast, have a lot of Speed Freeks, and one of their warlords is a cool guy who did a rad jump once. As you say, you could add more rules and lore to make them different from other clans, but the difference is that with Blood Angels, those rules and lore ALREADY EXISTED.

Now, I'm not very interested in arguing over whether supplements are a good idea, because that's an entirely different discussion, but the fact remains, if we go by the assumption that supplements are a good idea, then factions should receive supplements based on the amount of rules, models, and lore they already have, NOT their popularity. I hope we can both agree on that.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


Don't forget Genestealer Cults i'm sure they sold really well before they existed.

Well, GSC is basically squatted at this point. Last couple of point hikes seems almost purpose-made to get people off the army.

That's not what "squatted" means.

Well for me GSC started kinda dead. Thought it was a cool idea, liked the mesh with a pair of factions but the price to make them pushed me right out. Which is pretty much what GW prices do to me currently. Luckily I have nice forces and variety already but wouldn't it be nice to be tempted ?

Agreed, they are pricing me out of the hobby. If I had to start today, I would never be in the hobby

I hear that, I can't even really try and talk others into taking the plunge as the start up cost is just intense.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Well for me GSC started kinda dead. Thought it was a cool idea, liked the mesh with a pair of factions but the price to make them pushed me right out. Which is pretty much what GW prices do to me currently. Luckily I have nice forces and variety already but wouldn't it be nice to be tempted ?

The models are so nice though. You should just buy a couple of SC boxes and some jackals, and have a little army for combat patrols or 900pt games etc

Or Kill Team!
I have 10/20 cultists, then a box of 5 of those Acolyte/Metamorph ones.
Throw in all those special aberrant, character type models from that box set (what was that in? Had two tiny genestealer pets in it..? Either way I paid £1 for each model in that set ), and some random spare old genestealer and Guard models with GSC heads on.
Everything I could ever need for it.

Crusade is also a good way to get new players in, despite the bookkeeping. Start combat patrol sized, get attached to the units as they level up, supply increases allow for adding units over time to try new things or fill gaps in the list.

So what’s the situation at your local stores? My closest moderately sized independent game store basically carries a full line of GW and Star Wars, and little else. GW is the meat of their non comics business.

We were informed, though, that for the Dark Angels/Marines release, they would accept no preorders for anything other than the codex book. This is now the second recent 40K release, along with Death Guard, this has happened. Their product allocation is so much smaller than expected again, they’re just throwing it on the floor release Saturday and ‘good luck’.

This is a place that has easily in the past had dozens of preorders for major releases, and never had a problem filling them. I realize things are different in the COVID-19 era, but still, the amount of product reaching stores near me is miniscule. GW was having issues keeping stock available pre COVID; apparently, it’s far, far worse now. How’s your local holding up?

Not well for new releases at least. Last i heard dg is still stuck in customs. It's going to be slow getting new models from now on

 totalfailure wrote:

This is a place that has easily in the past had dozens of preorders for major releases, and never had a problem filling them. I realize things are different in the COVID-19 era, but still, the amount of product reaching stores near me is miniscule. GW was having issues keeping stock available pre COVID; apparently, it’s far, far worse now. How’s your local holding up?

Not exactly local, but the one that considers itself a game & comic shop rather than a comic shop that has a small games section? Overstocked.

They still have 10 Indomitus boxes (out of the 60 they got), 2 Lumenith boxes, a couple Christmas boxes and a couple other limited boxes (Aetherwar and Blood of the Phoenix, though still having the latter isn't a shock). I didn't see the new DG terrain piece, but I wasn't looking for it; they still had six of the new Codex on the shelf. Same for BA and DW. More necrons than I've ever seen on shelf in my life (which actually suggests that they aren't selling well).

They didn't have a full selection of everything (they were waiting on an order of orks from what they said, there were none on the shelves), but they had 5 big shelving units (6+ feet tall, 15' long) of nothing but GW products. I haven't seen that much stock in quite a while, the more local stores are very minimal and functionally random, though the one in town still had an Indomitus box or two a couple months back (November, iirc)

For the Covid era, it felt really weird. Like I'd wandered into a game store from the late 90s.

 totalfailure wrote:
So what’s the situation at your local stores? My closest moderately sized independent game store basically carries a full line of GW and Star Wars, and little else. GW is the meat of their non comics business.

We were informed, though, that for the Dark Angels/Marines release, they would accept no preorders for anything other than the codex book. This is now the second recent 40K release, along with Death Guard, this has happened. Their product allocation is so much smaller than expected again, they’re just throwing it on the floor release Saturday and ‘good luck’.

This is a place that has easily in the past had dozens of preorders for major releases, and never had a problem filling them. I realize things are different in the COVID-19 era, but still, the amount of product reaching stores near me is miniscule. GW was having issues keeping stock available pre COVID; apparently, it’s far, far worse now. How’s your local holding up?

The Primary store I play at (Not a GW) that does only miniature gaming has been having serious trouble keeping the stock they need. For a lot of stuff if you didn't have it preordered and pick it up on release day, you were SOL for weeks. It does look like they have started to get in more stock over the past couple of weeks though.

Within two hours of preorders going up on Saturday, Element Games pushed the shipping date for Bladeguard back by 2 weeks. However today it's been changed back to this weekend, so it sounds like GW have indicated they will get enough stock.

Any UK retailers here with insight?

The two German stores I usually order stuff from are still waiting for the DG models to arrive, they are expected to arrive on the fourth, codices arrived on Saturday.

In that context, telling people that the next wave of models will be available two weeks late makes perfect sense.

In similar circumstances, the whole UK seems to be out of the citadel main primers, black, grey seer, white etc etc.

I'm not sure that would be completely customs related but it could be, no idea where they are manufactured. Additionally, I think people need to consider certain items that are manufactured all over probably had a lengthy shutdown at some point last year like most, so what we've been getting our hands recently were probably the stockpiled and reserves. In addition, many manufacturing locations are still adhering to strict social distancing rules which will also limit production.

Then the new customs arrangement with the EU seems to be the cherry on the cake (however, whilst not a complete free trade, I thought this wasn't going to happen?!?! shouldn't under the trade agreement most items be fairly frictionless.. I thought the main issue were very niche like specific food items and such)

I don't think anyone is actually complaining, just sharing experiences.

As for the trade agreement, I'm no expert (at all) but it seems that the main holdup is that there now actually is paperwork to be done and checked, where there was none before.

 Jidmah wrote:
The two German stores I usually order stuff from are still waiting for the DG models to arrive, they are expected to arrive on the fourth, codices arrived on Saturday.

In that context, telling people that the next wave of models will be available two weeks late makes perfect sense.

Ha, I'm still waiting for the Blood Angels Death Company Intercessor box I ordered on 7. December!

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Then the new customs arrangement with the EU seems to be the cherry on the cake (however, whilst not a complete free trade, I thought this wasn't going to happen?!?! shouldn't under the trade agreement most items be fairly frictionless.. I thought the main issue were very niche like specific food items and such)

The deal was super thin. Only barely better than no deal. It specifically only removed tariff's and quota's. That's all UK ever WANTED from the deal. All else was not something UK wanted from the get-go. This means VAT needs to be paid. This means checks for standards etc. Every single non-tariff barrier was left because UK didn't want to agree to follow regulations and rules needed for removal of those. They never even tried to negotiate for those.. And non-tariff barriers are the worst barriers to trade.

Also the "no tariff" is also inaccurate as it only applies when enough % of item is made in UK. If they import stuff(say raw material) and do something to it before exporting(and of course same applies reverse) and the amount done in UK isn't high enough tariff is applied. So let's say example(not neccessarily real. I don't know GW's production system) that say spray cans were made in country A, paint itself in country B and GW only combines them and sells and this would not be counted as sufficient then tariff would be paid for those spray cans.

Devil is in the details. The deal is only marginally above no deal. All it did was ensured no quotas and no tariff provided rules of origin is fulfilled.

At least GW's products are not ones that are flat out banned like shellfish whose export(major export source for UK fishermen) is now flat out banned to EU as those belong to class of food that cannot be exported to EU from 3rd countries which UK now falls under so they cannot trade at all. Good thing miniatures don't have such a ban

Well, we ordered a murderfang for a friend's birthday in August, and it's still a no-show.

Kill team, (so heavy intercessors, flayed ones and characters) next month

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/02/even-the-new-terrain-wants-you-dead-in-kill-team-pariah-nexus/

The new expansion will be landing next month

Its gonna be like a year until we can buy those Flayed Ones standalone, isn't it?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Its gonna be like a year until we can buy those Flayed Ones standalone, isn't it?

LOL, no....because every Marine player that is salivating about Heavy Intercessors will be dumping Flayed Ones on every market known to man to try an offset some of the overcosted amount of the KT set.

 TalonZahn wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Its gonna be like a year until we can buy those Flayed Ones standalone, isn't it?

LOL, no....because every Marine player that is salivating about Heavy Intercessors will be dumping Flayed Ones on every market known to man to try an offset some of the overcosted amount of the KT set.

I'm ok with that. ;-)

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Its gonna be like a year until we can buy those Flayed Ones standalone, isn't it?

LOL, no....because every Marine player that is salivating about Heavy Intercessors will be dumping Flayed Ones on every market known to man to try an offset some of the overcosted amount of the KT set.

I'm ok with that. ;-)

Chronomancer will probably still be pricy, but I bet the Flayed ones will be pretty cheap.

Think they will ever get around to DA Veteran Primaris kits?

 SickSix wrote:
Think they will ever get around to DA Veteran Primaris kits?

God I hope they never will

 SickSix wrote:
Think they will ever get around to DA Veteran Primaris kits?

I doubt we'll see any chapter-specific marine kits anytime soon, if ever, other than the occasional character.

Atlatl Jones wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Think they will ever get around to DA Veteran Primaris kits?

I doubt we'll see any chapter-specific marine kits anytime soon, if ever, other than the occasional character.

Not soon, but once they clear the catalog of all the first born chapter specific kits, I'm sure they'll come around.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

Atlatl Jones wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Think they will ever get around to DA Veteran Primaris kits?

I doubt we'll see any chapter-specific marine kits anytime soon, if ever, other than the occasional character.

Not soon, but once they clear the catalog of all the first born chapter specific kits, I'm sure they'll come around.

Bah. If they're willing to 'clear the catalog,' I'd hope they'd have enough sense to dump the entire idea of snowflake kits at the same time.
I don't see them doing either any time soon.

I'd rather a Primaris Crusader squad with 5 assault intercessors, 5 reivers, and Templar upgrades first

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'd rather a Primaris Crusader squad with 5 assault intercessors, 5 reivers, and Templar upgrades first

And I'd rather Shrike's Talons before any Templar stuff, thanks.

But real-talk:
Do we actually need Crusader squads to be the whole nonsense of "A Scouty bit and Power Armor bit" again? If you want Scouts to be in there, ask for a better Scout kit. Primaris still come up through the Scout Squads first.

Indomitus SM characters separate release, preorder Saturday

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/21/sunday-preview-purge-necron-tomb-complexes-with-kill-teams-latest-expansion/?fbclid=IwAR3r7TuBvcQ72FpGq_-K5MfFxIQJGxUNRqAJCesRux_67Qlo-Bq38Z3LC1Y

It isn't 'characters separate' as far as I can tell.
Its... odd and defies easy description.

The SM box is bladeguard banner, chaplain and judiciar, plus the monopose eradicators and bladeguard (despite those having multipart kits now).
It doesn't have the captain or LT (presumably because those are in the various starter boxes)


The necron box is the same kind of package deal, but less stuff. Prepare for a glut of secondhand reanimators from people who want the skorpekh lord, plasmancer and cryptothralls.

I think that means, bar a few character options, like gravis from dark imperium, all options in the codex are now available in one release form or another or up to pre-order.

And it's still not everything from Indomitus (Necrons are missing the Overlord and Royal Warden).

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I think that means, bar a few character options, like gravis from dark imperium, all options in the codex are now available in one release form or another or up to pre-order.

Yeah. 4 and a half months later, the space marine releases are finally finished. We can move on with getting entire rest of the range sorted now.


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 Ghaz wrote:
And it's still not everything from Indomitus (Necrons are missing the Overlord and Royal Warden).

Starter boxes. They've been available.

Voss wrote:
It isn't 'characters separate' as far as I can tell.
Its... odd and defies easy description.

The SM box is bladeguard banner, chaplain and judiciar, plus the monopose eradicators and bladeguard (despite those having multipart kits now).
It doesn't have the captain or LT (presumably because those are in the various starter boxes)


The necron box is the same kind of package deal, but less stuff. Prepare for a glut of secondhand reanimators from people who want the skorpekh lord, plasmancer and cryptothralls.

I mean, besides maybe the cryptothralls (and even they're not bad), most of that stuff is pretty cheap online, even after the boxsets been out for a bit. Skorpekh, plasmancer, even the reanimator, can be found for 10-20ish dollars. I know the chaplain is also usually pretty cheap, as is the ancient. (Everything else is pretty expensive, though). Still, glad to see there are ways to get all these models. People were selling the necron portion for around $45, so hopefully it doesn't cost more than that.

Voss wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I think that means, bar a few character options, like gravis from dark imperium, all options in the codex are now available in one release form or another or up to pre-order.

Yeah. 4 and a half months later, the space marine releases are finally finished. We can move on with getting entire rest of the range sorted now.


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 Ghaz wrote:
And it's still not everything from Indomitus (Necrons are missing the Overlord and Royal Warden).

Starter boxes. They've been available.

Same problem as with this release in that you're forced to buy extra stuff if all you want is those models.

 GaroRobe wrote:

Voss wrote:
It isn't 'characters separate' as far as I can tell.
Its... odd and defies easy description.

The SM box is bladeguard banner, chaplain and judiciar, plus the monopose eradicators and bladeguard (despite those having multipart kits now).
It doesn't have the captain or LT (presumably because those are in the various starter boxes)


The necron box is the same kind of package deal, but less stuff. Prepare for a glut of secondhand reanimators from people who want the skorpekh lord, plasmancer and cryptothralls.

I mean, besides maybe the cryptothralls (and even they're not bad), most of that stuff is pretty cheap online, even after the boxsets been out for a bit. Skorpekh, plasmancer, even the reanimator, can be found for 10-20ish dollars. I know the chaplain is also usually pretty cheap, as is the ancient. (Everything else is pretty expensive, though). Still, glad to see there are ways to get all these models. People were selling the necron portion for around $45, so hopefully it doesn't cost more than that.

I like your optimism, but it will. 2 characters, a walker and a couple minions? $80 would be my guess. Not less than $60, given GW sells individual characters at $30 or more.

 Ghaz wrote:
And it's still not everything from Indomitus (Necrons are missing the Overlord and Royal Warden).

For GW its enough to have them in the starter sets, see Gravis Captain from Dark Imperium which didn't get a release because DI was still around, so don't expect them to release those two as long as the starters are around

 Ghaz wrote:

Same problem as with this release in that you're forced to buy extra stuff if all you want is those models.

Its GW. The alternative is the fate of the Lord of Contagion, Plaguecaster and the several-editions-old chaos cultists (especially the leaders and special weapons troopers): They just vanish.

Given the price of the 5 Intercessor/2 Lt/1 Ancient box, I can only imagine this new box is going to be priced through the stratosphere.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Given the price of the 5 Intercessor/2 Lt/1 Ancient box, I can only imagine this new box is going to be priced through the stratosphere.

3 character @ $35 each
2 boxes where the full kits are $50 ea.

So $200?

Now, the kits are all monopose, and there is a cap on how much even GW will charge for a a couple of frames. I’d put money on it being around the $100 range.

Actually, technically they are available in the vanguard marine set, but, multipart plastic suppressors are still needed, and then multipart version of some characters, but yes, the end is nigh for current space marine releases... So, 10th edition is in like 6 months then, the gravy train must keep flowing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'd rather a Primaris Crusader squad with 5 assault intercessors, 5 reivers, and Templar upgrades first

And I'd rather Shrike's Talons before any Templar stuff, thanks.

But real-talk:
Do we actually need Crusader squads to be the whole nonsense of "A Scouty bit and Power Armor bit" again? If you want Scouts to be in there, ask for a better Scout kit. Primaris still come up through the Scout Squads first.

We already have a better kit, Palatine Enforcers.

Shotguns and Boltguns...check
Sniper Rifle....check
Mark IV knockoff helmet....check
Bigger than normal humans and smaller than Primaris....check.
Much better kit than old scouts....check

 Ghaz wrote:
Same problem as with this release in that you're forced to buy extra stuff if all you want is those models.

Except starter set costs about as much as single character does, so you're not 'forced' to do anything. If anything, the starters are a huge boon if you want these particular models because everything else is nearly free and you can easily recoup your costs by selling extra stuff.

Or is complaining about one of the few rare areas where GW is still affordable a thing now?

Voss wrote:
Plaguecaster

A) Japanese one is still on sale, B) taking plastic CSM sorcerer and slapping Mk III helmet on it is sooo hard

It's like complaining there is no Raven Guard librarian model while ignoring all the other librarians one pad swap away from being one...

 Nevelon wrote:
Now, the kits are all monopose, and there is a cap on how much even GW will charge for a a couple of frames. I’d put money on it being around the $100 range.

Pretty sure it's just one frame.

 Nevelon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Given the price of the 5 Intercessor/2 Lt/1 Ancient box, I can only imagine this new box is going to be priced through the stratosphere.

3 character @ $35 each
2 boxes where the full kits are $50 ea.

So $200?

Now, the kits are all monopose, and there is a cap on how much even GW will charge for a a couple of frames. I’d put money on it being around the $100 range.

It is a single large sprue just like the Heroes of the Chapter. I would expect it will cost $75 just like that kit.

 Irbis wrote:

A) Japanese one is still on sale, B) taking plastic CSM sorcerer and slapping Mk III helmet on it is sooo hard

It's like complaining there is no Raven Guard librarian model while ignoring all the other librarians one pad swap away from being one...

Goodie for Japan, I guess? The amount of effort I'm willing to put in for a model doesn't go nearly that far.

I'm talking about discontinued models, not a shoulder pad or helmet swap. Yes, there are a lot of ways to do a 'counts as' model for lots of things, but that doesn't mean GW should stop selling models they already make.

 Irbis wrote:

Voss wrote:
Plaguecaster

A) Japanese one is still on sale, B) taking plastic CSM sorcerer and slapping Mk III helmet on it is sooo hard

It's like complaining there is no Raven Guard librarian model while ignoring all the other librarians one pad swap away from being one...

A)The plague cast is on sale again: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Death-Guard-Chosen-Of-Mortarion-2020
B) A malignant plague caster is as much a sorcerer as a noise marine is a khorne berzerker.
C) The Lord of Contagion is actually not available in any way.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Now, the kits are all monopose, and there is a cap on how much even GW will charge for a a couple of frames. I’d put money on it being around the $100 range.

Pretty sure it's just one frame.

alextroy wrote:It is a single large sprue just like the Heroes of the Chapter. I would expect it will cost $75 just like that kit.

I could not recall from building my Indominus box if it was one large frame or two smaller, connected ones. My bad.

At $75 with the Eradicators and the Bladeguard vets, this would fly off the shelf. And ebay would be flooded with the characters. 2x3 very nice squads are going to sell better then another 5 intercessors.

Voss wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

A) Japanese one is still on sale, B) taking plastic CSM sorcerer and slapping Mk III helmet on it is sooo hard

It's like complaining there is no Raven Guard librarian model while ignoring all the other librarians one pad swap away from being one...

Goodie for Japan, I guess? The amount of effort I'm willing to put in for a model doesn't go nearly that far.

Beyond that, you know how you get the Japanese Plaguecaster? In a $60+ paint set. Or, you can go on ebay. People are selling it for the low cost of $85, with shipping ranging from $10-50. All for one model that has two head options. The best example I can think of for this sort of logic is someone saying "I want a Khorgorath (AOS)" and someone responding, "Hey, it's still on sale. Go buy the $100 start collecting"

Real shame that. The Space Marine Heroes Plaguecaster is a vastly superior model to Lord Huff'n'Puff from Dark Imperium.

 Nevelon wrote:
I could not recall from building my Indominus box if it was one large frame or two smaller, connected ones. My bad.

It's one big'un.

If it wasn't, they would split up and sell it that way.

These releases exist because they're not going to make new/re-cut sprues for these units. If there was a clampack Judiciar or Bladeguard Ancient, this box wouldn't exist. Ditto for the Plasmancer, Skorpek Lord or Reanimator.

I like how the Royal Court set contains one non-Royalarch, one outcast, and three canoptekh constructs, but no actual Lords...

 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how the Royal Court set contains one non-Royalarch, one outcast, and three canoptekh constructs, but no actual Lords...

It's the Royal Court, aka the hanger-ons, not the Royalty themselves.

Speaking of Wardens, I love the facebook groups discovery you can buy five Royal Wardens off ebay slightly cheaper than buying a unit of Immortals.

 Nevelon wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Now, the kits are all monopose, and there is a cap on how much even GW will charge for a a couple of frames. I’d put money on it being around the $100 range.

Pretty sure it's just one frame.

alextroy wrote:It is a single large sprue just like the Heroes of the Chapter. I would expect it will cost $75 just like that kit.

I could not recall from building my Indominus box if it was one large frame or two smaller, connected ones. My bad.

At $75 with the Eradicators and the Bladeguard vets, this would fly off the shelf. And ebay would be flooded with the characters. 2x3 very nice squads are going to sell better then another 5 intercessors.

If it was around the $70 mark, I'd be interested. Somehow I have this feeling like GW will make it extra over pricey just to make me say " Oh GW. never change. ".

 AngryAngel80 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Now, the kits are all monopose, and there is a cap on how much even GW will charge for a a couple of frames. I’d put money on it being around the $100 range.

Pretty sure it's just one frame.

alextroy wrote:It is a single large sprue just like the Heroes of the Chapter. I would expect it will cost $75 just like that kit.

I could not recall from building my Indominus box if it was one large frame or two smaller, connected ones. My bad.

At $75 with the Eradicators and the Bladeguard vets, this would fly off the shelf. And ebay would be flooded with the characters. 2x3 very nice squads are going to sell better then another 5 intercessors.

If it was around the $70 mark, I'd be interested. Somehow I have this feeling like GW will make it extra over pricey just to make me say " Oh GW. never change. ".

Preorder is up, and I got news for you.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Space-Marines-Honoured-Of-The-Chapter-2021

280nz dollars = about 140usd. I couldn't find an exact conversion as I didn't see any other New Zealand 280 sprue, but 264nz = 130usd by gw logic.

So...140$ for a single sprue from a 200$ box. I think the scalpers on ebay are safe for awhile.

Adjusting for inflation, is this the most expensive sprue in the history of GW? Amazing

 kurhanik wrote:
280nz dollars = about 140usd. I couldn't find an exact conversion as I didn't see any other New Zealand 280 sprue, but 264nz = 130usd by gw logic.

So...140$ for a single sprue from a 200$ box. I think the scalpers on ebay are safe for awhile.

Both Morathi and Alarielle for Age of Sigmar are $280 NZ and are $138 US. The Necron box is the same price as a AT Warlord Battle Titan at $110 US.

110€ when Indomitus was 140€.

What kind of cocaine are they snorting.

 Galas wrote:
110€ when Indomitus was 140€.

What kind of cocaine are they snorting.

Check out the massively downsized Killzones they're chucking out. I think there's been a pandemic strategy meeting where they've committed hard to mercilessly jacking up prices going forwards. Big fat albino coke slugs were potentially featured.

So $110 for some snapfit necrons, which most people were selling for $45-50 on ebay. Really regretting not buying them now, but I got the skorpekh and cryptek for pretty cheap

 GaroRobe wrote:
So $110 for some snapfit necrons, which most people were selling for $45-50 on ebay. Really regretting not buying them now, but I got the skorpekh and cryptek for pretty cheap

Pretty sure my local still has an Indomitus box, if not two. The store about 50 minutes away had _10_ when I was in there last month.
This is just crazy.

Glad I grabbed a second Indomitus box this week .

I'm just gonna buy another Dark Uprising box, that'll cheer me up.

That is some Grade A Premium Pricing there. Nearly twice the price for the same size sprue.

Dang, ￥20,000. Straight to the top of the most expensive Space Marine kits. For a single sprue. Wack.

In NZ land that Space Marine sprue is more expensive than Command Edition. Absolutely incredible. And the Necrons for 110? I just bought both the Plasmancer and the Skorpekh Lord on EBay for 18 dollars total after tax and with free shipping. I saw a Reanimator for 22 and the Cryptothralls for 14.

Not to mention full Indomitus boxes are still floating around for 200 or less.

Absolutely bonkers.

Yeah, £89 for a single sprue of Space Marines? GW really have no shame.

I hope that nobody buys them as it will send a strong message, but there are bound to be a few that bite.

I’m not on social media, but I hope that people who are are being very vocal about these prices right now.

HaHaHaHaHa!

What? You're Serious?!

I got a good laugh out of it. Let it not be said that GW doesn't provide free entertainment occasionally.

 Galas wrote:
110€ when Indomitus was 140€.

What kind of cocaine are they snorting.

I agree but Indomitus was 155 EUR. Those 110 EUR are surely to push the sale of the last Indomitus copies in shops everywhere and make the individual kits prices look 'more
tempting'.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Yeah, £89 for a single sprue of Space Marines? GW really have no shame.

I hope that nobody buys them as it will send a strong message, but there are bound to be a few that bite.

I’m not on social media, but I hope that people who are are being very vocal about these prices right now.

Before you know it, the usual suspects on dakka will be telling you what a bargain it is. Breaking it down into 9 single characters that would normally be £22.50 each. At a low price of £89, it's a bargain!!!

But yeah, £89 for 1 plastic sprue. Ahhahahahaha...

as mentioned above, all it will do is drive people to buy the last of the Indomitus boxes in stores......all as planned

It is a ridiculous price point for sure.

So the necron one is $110, and the SM is $140. Which, combined, cost more than Indomitus, despite lacking most of the units? No necron warriors, outriders, main HQ options, etc. That's crazy.

How is GW trying to justify the space marine one? "Oh, a chaplain costs $35, eradicators and bladeguard cost $50, so it's like getting the judicar and ancient for free." That's insane. They're good models, but none have any variety or options...

More like, "You get 5 units for the low, low price of $140. Compare to the full retail of $35 a character and $50 a unit. That's a 32% discount over the units separately!"

I'm not normally one to criticize GW's pricing policies. WH40K is a luxury product with luxury prices. But when you can put three different large sprue choices side by side and the prices are this different, you have to wonder what they are thinking?

For Completeness:

Heroes of the Chapter: $75 USD

Necrons Royal Court: $110 USD

Honored of the Chapter: $140 USD

Good thing I don't collect Space Marines

I think this is one of the biggest indicators of why getting rid of start collectings! was a terrible idea.

There's no reason they couldn't have made two start collectings out of this boxset, minus a few units, and sell them for $100. Same with Dark Imperium's Death Guard. They had no issue doing this with Shadowspear, or the AOS starter set. Yeah, you won't get every model from the original set, but it's still a lot more fair than whatever THIS is

 GaroRobe wrote:
I think this is one of the biggest indicators of why getting rid of start collectings! was a terrible idea.

There's no reason they couldn't have made two start collectings out of this boxset, minus a few units, and sell them for $100. Same with Dark Imperium's Death Guard. They had no issue doing this with Shadowspear, or the AOS starter set. Yeah, you won't get every model from the original set, but it's still a lot more fair than whatever THIS is

And they would be pretty awesome deals and likely sell very well. Both the CSM and Vanguard SM start collectings are good value and contain a good assortment of choices. They already made their money off these sprues.....might as well sell more and not have them languish in a warehouse forever.

 bullyboy wrote:
as mentioned above, all it will do is drive people to buy the last of the Indomitus boxes in stores......all as planned

It is a ridiculous price point for sure.

Well, it pushed me into buying the Chaplain from ebay, so the guy selling that to me at least got a sale from this (though I'm guessing he hasn't seen this release yet otherwise it would have been a bit pricier I think).

JWBS wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
as mentioned above, all it will do is drive people to buy the last of the Indomitus boxes in stores......all as planned

It is a ridiculous price point for sure.

Well, it pushed me into buying the Chaplain from ebay, so the guy selling that to me at least got a sale from this (though I'm guessing he hasn't seen this release yet otherwise it would have been a bit pricier I think).

Yeah, I think we will see the divided stuff on eBay go really fast now. Glad I got the Skorpehk Lord and Plasmancer when I did. I can’t imagine they will stay at a sub 10 dollar price point after these sprue announcements.

Edit: As there is someone on EBay selling the Necron Sprue for 46 USD and free shipping in the states if anyone wants the whole lot but a cheaper price tag.

Well I did also bought Bladeguard Ancient separately with few other things and by pricing I think I got cheap. Especially when I bought Outriders from the same source way before it was an separate kit.

I just don't honestly understand pricing on those marine sets, even more so when those are ETB.

Sotahullu wrote:
Well I did also bought Bladeguard Ancient separately with few other things and by pricing I think I got cheap. Especially when I bought Outriders from the same source way before it was an separate kit.

I just don't honestly understand pricing on those marine sets, even more so when those are ETB.

Everything today feels like a 'Go home, GW, you're drunk.' moment.
Indomitus cost $199.
Just these marines are $140.
The full Indomitus contents are now, separately, 140+110+99+50 = $399

Except, I know for a fact that I can go down the road and still buy the box for $199. Even if I couldn't there's _no reason_ for the same stuff to be doubled in price. And I've even forgotten about the rulebook!
'Fool of a Took' is too kind for anyone who buys these sprues. And GW needs a bunch of emails asking them if they're ok after these 'obvious mistakes.'

And then there's Kill Team, which is another 'ha, ha, go home' moment, and again for the terrain.

It feels like Blood of the Phoenix all over again.

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Hopefully whoever is assigning prices will sober up before the next boxed set, same way they did after BotP.

Some pics of the heavy Intercessor sprues https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/ltn37g/lgs_accidentally_gave_me_the_new_box_today_heres/

Might not have been too bad, if all the models weren't push fit.

That said, you're not likely going to want all of those models, and especially not more than 1 of them, so anyone that already has them isn't even going to bother.

wrong thread

Heavy Intercessors in May

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/12/heavy-intercessors-and-flayed-ones-are-coming-soon-in-their-own-boxes/

I doubt I'll bother with them given a unit of 5 will probably cost the same as a box of 10 Intercessors. They aren't different enough to warrant the price hike imo (and in fact I think they're straight up worse looking than Intercessors)

Oof. 5 man box was to be expected, I guess, but I'll never understand why GW is so reluctant to make Flayed Ones kits that will actually sell...

Didn't see any mention of the characters. Are those also coming out in may, or are they staying locked for longer?

Yeah, a 5 bot box of Flayed Ones seems a bit weird - is that even a legal unit, let alone an effective one?

 Dysartes wrote:
Yeah, a 5 bot box of Flayed Ones seems a bit weird - is that even a legal unit, let alone an effective one?

It is legal. Effective... very dubious.