Daedalus81 wrote:

Spoiler:

 vict0988 wrote:

 the_scotsman wrote:
Hover - ignore the difficult ground trait, can move over terrain pieces lower than 2" tall without losing any movement.

Fly - ignore all terrain, move over any terrain without losing any movement

Aircraft - as now.

Why does Hover need to exist? Why can't Monoliths just FLY?

Because leapfrogging buildings with a strong model might be a bit much

Yes, we have Magnus, but depending on the opponent he's doing 10 mortal wounds - the monolith will do a similar amount of damage or more depending on the target unless there is a good Gateway target. Their melee is about the same with the exception that Magnus wounds everything on a 2. Slap on a chronomancer and the monolith is about the same cost with better toughness, save, a bunch more wounds, dumps a bunch of models in the opponent's face, and deepstrikes.

It definitely has a hard time getting around on some tables, but again - deepstrike is an option. I feel like it would be better served by a middle ground ignore stuff 2" or less like mentioned above.

 vict0988 wrote:

Magnus has Movement 16 and is 5" long
Monoliths have Movement 6 and are 6" long

Even with FLY Monoliths cannot hop over a building, they cannot even hop over a 1,5" tall fence without advancing, now that they don't have FLY they need a 4" advance to make it over a 1,5" fence like GW's barricades that were popular in 7th. At best Monoliths can hop on top of a building and sit there and hop down next turn, Magnus hops over and charges turn 1.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

I could see the "ignore terrain of 1 or less for movement" rule raised to 2 for all TITANIC units. A super heavy walker could just step over, a tank could just drive over, and something like a Monolith should just float over.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
8" on the monolith now...

 vict0988 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
8" on the monolith now...

I missed that, it's kind of huge to go from 6" to 8", I thought you mistyped earlier. I do have a Monolith list I am intending to try, I could be surprised, but I don't think any units have surprised me yet, Chronomancer a little bit maybe, I didn't think he'd be as good as he is despite only buffing one unit.

 vict0988 wrote:
I missed that, it's kind of huge to go from 6" to 8", I thought you mistyped earlier. I do have a Monolith list I am intending to try, I could be surprised, but I don't think any units have surprised me yet, Chronomancer a little bit maybe, I didn't think he'd be as good as he is despite only buffing one unit.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

I could see the "ignore terrain of 1 or less for movement" rule raised to 2 for all TITANIC units. A super heavy walker could just step over, a tank could just drive over, and something like a Monolith should just float over.

I could get behind that.

 vict0988 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 vict0988 wrote:

 the_scotsman wrote:
Hover - ignore the difficult ground trait, can move over terrain pieces lower than 2" tall without losing any movement.

Fly - ignore all terrain, move over any terrain without losing any movement

Aircraft - as now.

Why does Hover need to exist? Why can't Monoliths just FLY?

Because leapfrogging buildings with a strong model might be a bit much

Yes, we have Magnus, but depending on the opponent he's doing 10 mortal wounds - the monolith will do a similar amount of damage or more depending on the target unless there is a good Gateway target. Their melee is about the same with the exception that Magnus wounds everything on a 2. Slap on a chronomancer and the monolith is about the same cost with better toughness, save, a bunch more wounds, dumps a bunch of models in the opponent's face, and deepstrikes.

It definitely has a hard time getting around on some tables, but again - deepstrike is an option. I feel like it would be better served by a middle ground ignore stuff 2" or less like mentioned above.

Magnus has Movement 16 and is 5" long
Monoliths have Movement 6 and are 6" long

Even with FLY Monoliths cannot hop over a building, they cannot even hop over a 1,5" tall fence without advancing, now that they don't have FLY they need a 4" advance to make it over a 1,5" fence like GW's barricades that were popular in 7th. At best Monoliths can hop on top of a building and sit there and hop down next turn, Magnus hops over and charges turn 1.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 the_scotsman wrote:
Hover - ignore the difficult ground trait, can move over terrain pieces lower than 2" tall without losing any movement.

Fly - ignore all terrain, move over any terrain without losing any movement

Aircraft - as now.

That would work. Or, everyone could just try to make sure their barricades and such were 1 or lower when they put their terrain together.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 the_scotsman wrote:
Hover - ignore the difficult ground trait, can move over terrain pieces lower than 2" tall without losing any movement.

Fly - ignore all terrain, move over any terrain without losing any movement

Aircraft - as now.

That would work. Or, everyone could just try to make sure their barricades and such were 1 or lower when they put their terrain together.

If you do that why bother putting barricades there in the first place? 2" high barricades are genuinely interesting for infantry battles.

I think titanic units ignoring terrain with 2" or less sounds like a much better solution.

 bullyboy wrote:
When can we expect the points to be updated in the app?