About a year or two ago, I picked up the Underworlds starter that had Skaeth's Wild Hunt and Grashrak's Despoilers in it (Beastgrave, I think it was called), basically just for the minis (it was half price at my FLGS as the next starter had recently released). The minis are cool and will eventually make a nice side project for me to work on, and I suspect that was the appeal of the various warbands for many hobbyists. Kind of a shame to see them go.

Chopstick wrote:

They're available as part of the Warcry Blade Born board game, you can try search for them or find ebay seller that sold them separatedly. There's also Darkoath chieftain, which is from the same faction(and probably one of the best models GW had ever made), and the Darkoath Savagers, currently only available in the Red Harvest box, but you can always find them on ebay or split it.

Hmmmm...thats not a bad idea, Chopstick. Cheers.

WOW, is it me or has just about all the 40k terrain kits got. I was meaning to buy some more sector mechanics stuff but its gone!

Ragweek wrote:

WOW, is it me or has just about all the 40k terrain kits got. I was meaning to buy some more sector mechanics stuff but its gone!

Yup, local Warhammer store manager told me they're having loads of trouble with China and that a lot of the terrain was made in China, so they're cutting it down and restructuring how they'll handle terrain in the future.

Part of me wonders - the terrain and Underworlds kits were all made overseas I believe. I do wonder if part of this range rotation isn't just freeing up capacity but also perhaps that GW has lost a factory in China

Or perhaps they are looking at all these massive lockdowns China is doing with their Zero Covid Policy and GW is concerned that it might end up locking up more and more of their stuff. So cut it from sales now and move on so that the public are more content and spending on active sale products instead of spending on an ever growing backlog of outstanding orders.

Sad to see so many models going to last chance to buy recently. I wonder if they're getting redone in future or moving to rotating ranges.

Especially the fortifications, they only got updated rules like 6 months ago.

No one knows, but a lot of people here are very sure (for some reason) that these are just range rotations and that these minis will for sure come back.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No one knows, but a lot of people here are very sure (for some reason) that these are just range rotations and that these minis will for sure come back.

I suspect the reason is that GW explicitly stated that this is a range rotation and that models rotating out will be back in the future.

Do we actually know for sure that GW won't use this as a way to soft-phase them out? No, but we've already seen them actually do range rotation as described with the LotR range, and the scheme is new enough to the 40K / AoS lines that we haven't really had a chance to see stuff rotate back in yet.

we have seen them also doing good rules and keeping the power creep in line for updates with LotR but I don't know if this should give any hint on how the handle AoS/40k

by know "being available later again" could as well be a made to order metal thing as it could be the release of a new model with the same name

GW have removed models before without much if any warning. Heck if you're a Forgeworld fan they've removed swathes of models often without any warning hint or anything.

So GW have no fear of removing models and whilst they might not be clear with information up front before a model is removed, they are normally pretty clear when something is gone from their range.

So they've really no reason to lie about range rotation. There's no net gain for them. The most likely thing if they do end up not doing a reprinting later is that the situation changes outside of what they plan today whcih prevents them.



We've a few theories as to why they are doing this. From things like just blanket removing finecast from their product line in one go; to issues with factories and supplies from overseas (Underworld and Terrain are all overseas produced) and more.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No one knows, but a lot of people here are very sure (for some reason) that these are just range rotations and that these minis will for sure come back.

Eh, with the Underworlds warbands it does sort of make sense.

It is a shame, but they're not particularly that fantastic ruleswise for AoS - but some warbands are great as conversion fodder to make characters. I suspect we'll see them pop back either at the start of a new Underworlds season or when their respective AoS army gets a battletome release.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No one knows, but a lot of people here are very sure (for some reason) that these are just range rotations and that these minis will for sure come back.

Funny that with them saying they are range rotation rather than doing what they normally do when they remove stuff for good.

GW has 100% accuracy on being range rotation rather than removal with range rotation so far. Deciding yourself it's range removal instead is just inventing stuff up from your head.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No one knows, but a lot of people here are very sure (for some reason) that these are just range rotations and that these minis will for sure come back.

Eh, with the Underworlds warbands it does sort of make sense.

It is a shame, but they're not particularly that fantastic ruleswise for AoS - but some warbands are great as conversion fodder to make characters. I suspect we'll see them pop back either at the start of a new Underworlds season or when their respective AoS army gets a battletome release.

Interesting, I had the opposite thoughts on the Underworlds stuff. The current sets are not playable in Underworlds, because they don't have the cards (you at least need the fighter cards for each model with their stats on, and without any faction specific cards you're unlikely to be able to build a "good" deck). None of the first three season's worth of factions are available to new Underworld's players and it's been like that for a couple of years - only the last couple of seasons are available. And as you mention, most of them are not great for AoS because they weren't designed for that.

That in itself is crazy - that for the sake of not including 20 cards they limit these sets just to AoS or players that just want to paint cool models. When otherwise they could be sold to Underworlds players also. So I guess maybe they've realised that and are going to repackage them? But short of that I can't see them coming back.

The Sector Mechanicus terrain - I just assume that with the Conquest and Imperium magazines there is so much of that out there at discounted prices that they don't really have any need to stock it for a few years. Most of it won't be hard to pick up, although the bits not in those magazines will be.

Phew! The Godsworn Hunt just arrived on the doorstep.

Really nice models and looking forward to adding them to games of Frostgrave.

I remember when they were basically giving away the hunt in those bundle boxes they did a little while back.

Two more items added to the Forgeworld last chance to buy this morning - the last of the Death Korps Engineers - The Heavy Flamer team and the Meltagun and Stubber duo

Regarding the terrain that may or may not be rotating out, I was just at the Warhammer Cafe in Grapevine yesterday, and they're getting rid of all their old terrain and even realm of battle boards from the game tables in a promotion this weekend. The guy said something like it's because it's all stuff they don't sell anymore, so they have to get rid of it. The table was crammed full of various stuff like some old Cities of Death, forests, Sigmar stuff, even Mechanicus stuff.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4655653854540185&id=1373659796072957
Maybe check to see if any of your local Warhammer stores are doing the same?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Regarding the terrain that may or may not be rotating out, I was just at the Warhammer Cafe in Grapevine yesterday, and they're getting rid of all their old terrain and even realm of battle boards from the game tables in a promotion this weekend. The guy said something like it's because it's all stuff they don't sell anymore, so they have to get rid of it. The table was crammed full of various stuff like some old Cities of Death, forests, Sigmar stuff, even Mechanicus stuff.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4655653854540185&id=1373659796072957
Maybe check to see if any of your local Warhammer stores are doing the same?

Mine is as well. You get stuff added on to your purchase, depending how much you spend.

My FLGS store is also doing that. The realm of battle plates will be the last to go and require "large purchases"

A new slew of stuff on Last Chance.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/New-Exclusive?N=1477570038+4033599123&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3AUS_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_US_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord[product.startDate+%3C%3D+1652445420000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1652445420000]&view=all

Generic Inquisitors, Yarrick 2, Creed, Kell, Red Terror and Spore mines.

I was about to say that Severina was a surprise as she's not that old a model, but then I think she was one of the last line of character models in finecast before the shift to all plastic characters. So yep fits with the finecast stripping policy.


Not surprised to see Sporemines nor the Red Terror in this list.

Interestingly, that hasn't affected the UK site yet.

Odd I checked the UK site and these things were in the last chance list.

 Overread wrote:
Odd I checked the UK site and these things were in the last chance list.

Yeah, my bad - I thought the "Last Chance to Buy" link on the homepage showed all LCtB items, not just the ex-Underworlds warbands.

On the Forgeworld side of things, I swear to the throne that the Iron Warriors had 9 items listed under their HH profile yesterday, today I logged in to check something and I see only seven items showing so far. Can anyone confirm what, if anything is gone?

 Togusa wrote:
On the Forgeworld side of things, I swear to the throne that the Iron Warriors had 9 items listed under their HH profile yesterday, today I logged in to check something and I see only seven items showing so far. Can anyone confirm what, if anything is gone?

The transfers have gone. I purchased a sheet a few days ago, glad I did now! Not sure what the other missing IW stuff is.

I've just noticed on the GW site that the Chaos Noctilith Crown scenery piece has gone too. Wonder if it's a reboxing or if it's gone for good?

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
On the Forgeworld side of things, I swear to the throne that the Iron Warriors had 9 items listed under their HH profile yesterday, today I logged in to check something and I see only seven items showing so far. Can anyone confirm what, if anything is gone?

The transfers have gone. I purchased a sheet a few days ago, glad I did now! Not sure what the other missing IW stuff is.

I've just noticed on the GW site that the Chaos Noctilith Crown scenery piece has gone too. Wonder if it's a reboxing or if it's gone for good?

Probably gone for good, terrain really doesn't last long on GW's site.

Noctilith is likely a rebox.

Yarrick's going, huh? End of an era.

ALL the HH transfers seem to have gone from the FW site. Hope they aren't a permanent deletion!.

I do find it funny how often I see things and am like 'wait that was still in print?' Like I thought Red Terror was long gone.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Noctilith is likely a rebox.

Maybe. Wouldn't be the first bit of faction terrain to vanish.

If you're referring to the GSC Drill, if we're being honest that wasn't really a GSC piece of terrain. It was put in their Codex, but it was really just existing sprues put together in a box.

The Forge Shrine or whatever it was called is gone from the Knight book as well, and it did have a unique sprue, but a unique sprue made of existing bits form other kits (which was rather odd, IMO).

The Chaos Stargate is unique. It is its own thing. It's not from another kit, or made up of parts from different kits. Removing it would be unusual.

Wasn't the drill part of the Fragdrill unique to that kit?

Think the point is both the drill and shrine were generic--one wouldn't guess they were faction terrain if they didn't already know. As opposed to something like the Tau, CSM, or Nurgle terrain which were/are quite obviously tied to certain factions.

 Togusa wrote:
On the Forgeworld side of things, I swear to the throne that the Iron Warriors had 9 items listed under their HH profile yesterday, today I logged in to check something and I see only seven items showing so far. Can anyone confirm what, if anything is gone?

Took me a while to remember, as I too was looking at the Iron Warriors section yesterday. The 2 things that have gone are the transfers and dice - They appear to have gone for all the legions, so hopefully will just come back on the main GW site.

 Dysartes wrote:
Wasn't the drill part of the Fragdrill unique to that kit?

Unique to that kit, yes, but it wasn't a GSC piece like, say, the Miasmic Malignifier.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Wasn't the drill part of the Fragdrill unique to that kit?

Unique to that kit, yes, but it wasn't a GSC piece like, say, the Miasmic Malignifier.

Wasn't it?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it was in the Genestealer codex (no other codex), and the box cover featured minis from the Genestealer cult range.

IIRC it was specifically made for GSC (but obviously can be used as a scenery piece for any gaming table).

It was designed for the Sector Mechanicus kits. We saw sketches of it long before its release.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It was designed for the Sector Mechanicus kits. We saw sketches of it long before its release.

Well, when you put it like that, how can anybody disagree?

Ok then. Find the GSC parts of the drill that don't fit with any other faction or game.

I'll wait.

It wasn't an unaligned fortification, it was a GSC fortification. Whether or not it was covered in Genestealers or Cult symbols is irrelevant as only GSC could take it in army lists.

I wasn't talking about its alignment. I was talking about the kit. It's not a GSC kit because there's nothing about it that is GSC unlike, say, the Eldar Webway gate, the Chaos Gate, Tau Tidewalls or the Hammerfall Bunker.

H.B.M.C. wrote:If you're referring to the GSC Drill, if we're being honest that wasn't really a GSC piece of terrain. It was put in their Codex, but it was really just existing sprues put together in a box.

If we're being honest this is objectively wrong. There are two sprues in the Fragdrill set that are unique to the kit. They were not existing sprues. Maybe you meant something else when you typed this?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok then. Find the GSC parts of the drill that don't fit with any other faction or game.

I'll wait.

Is this an attempt to switch the goalposts? You'll be waiting a long time for me to fall for it

Are you ignoring the fact that it was designed to fit into the mining theme of the GSC? Because that's the impression that I'm getting!

Nobody is suggesting that the kit doesn't fit with other Sector Mechanicus kits, but to say that it "wasn't really a GSC piece of terrain"....well, I'm happy to agree to disagree if you like.



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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wasn't talking about its alignment. I was talking about the kit. It's not a GSC kit because there's nothing about it that is GSC unlike, say, the Eldar Webway gate, the Chaos Gate, Tau Tidewalls or the Hammerfall Bunker.

Nothing about it...except for the fact that it's a huge mining drill.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I wasn't talking about its alignment. I was talking about the kit. It's not a GSC kit because there's nothing about it that is GSC unlike, say, the Eldar Webway gate, the Chaos Gate, Tau Tidewalls or the Hammerfall Bunker.

The GSC range is almost entirely made up of models in miners' gear, using mining equipment as weapons and mining vehicles as war machines. The Fragdrill was a piece of mining equipment. It might have fit with other Sec Mech terrain but it's an Imperial pattern mining drill used by an army where the theme is Imperial miners infected by aliens.

 Slinky wrote:
ALL the HH transfers seem to have gone from the FW site. Hope they aren't a permanent deletion!.

Oh, hopefully, they'll be back. The printing quality on these is awesome. Luckily I just picked up the Sons of Horus sheet last weekend at the Open Day.

I get where HBMC is coming from; I thoroughly expect the frag drill to return in some connection with the Leagues of Votann, and if not them, then the Squats on Necromunda, whose mining cities in the Ash Wastes have been mentioned in more than one place over the past few months.

Just to reiterate...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Think the point is both the drill and shrine were generic--one wouldn't guess they were faction terrain if they didn't already know. As opposed to something like the Tau, CSM, or Nurgle terrain which were/are quite obviously tied to certain factions.

I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.

puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.

Forests aren't particularly generic in 40k, since Nurgle, Tyranids and Necrons exists.

Which fight just fine in all sorts of battlefield. Necron's won't fight if there's reqular trees around?

puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.

Uh, in 40k Imperium is absolutely generic terrain. Literally all of the non-dataslate structures & ruins are Imperium.

tneva82 wrote:
Which fight just fine in all sorts of battlefield. Necron's won't fight if there's reqular trees around?

Given they have a large amount of units hellbent on annihilating all biological life, one wouldn't expect them to vibe in a perfectly intact green forest.

 stahly wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
ALL the HH transfers seem to have gone from the FW site. Hope they aren't a permanent deletion!.

Oh, hopefully, they'll be back. The printing quality on these is awesome. Luckily I just picked up the Sons of Horus sheet last weekend at the Open Day.

I believe the transfer sheets will be rereleased via GW proper instead of via FW.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.

Uh, in 40k Imperium is absolutely generic terrain. Literally all of the non-dataslate structures & ruins are Imperium.

Your argument was based on guessing if not knowing. If I was guessing then they are clearly faction terrain as they fit the imperium aesthetic and not the aesthetic of any of the alien factions. Nothing about the drill kit could lead me to 'guess' it was generic terrain usable in a Tau themed board for example.

I can only think you are using the term 'generic' wrongly. I suspect you really mean ubiquitous. The imperium is ubiquitous within the setting, such that we just plonk imperium terrain down and assume that we are playing around some imperium settlement/outpost etc and that easily fits in with the background.





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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.

Forests aren't particularly generic in 40k, since Nurgle, Tyranids and Necrons exists.

LOL - aye good point I suppose.

Pyrovore's currently out of stock. Most likely going to be permanent.

puree wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

puree wrote:
I think you'd have to make the jump from imperium to somehow equalling generic. IMO Those terrain pieces were clearly of the imperium style, and hardly generic.

In my view something generic would look equally at home with Nurgle, eldar, tau etc.

hills and forests would be generic.

Uh, in 40k Imperium is absolutely generic terrain. Literally all of the non-dataslate structures & ruins are Imperium.

Your argument was based on guessing if not knowing. If I was guessing then they are clearly faction terrain as they fit the imperium aesthetic and not the aesthetic of any of the alien factions. Nothing about the drill kit could lead me to 'guess' it was generic terrain usable in a Tau themed board for example.

OK, had to stop and do a double take there. No gak generic terrain isn't good for a themed board--it's a themed board! I can't really have a discussion with someone who is going to throw basic reasoning overboard.

I'd argue that generic terrain makes a great base for a themed board.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd argue that generic terrain makes a great base for a themed board.

 Slinky wrote:
ALL the HH transfers seem to have gone from the FW site. Hope they aren't a permanent deletion!.

Yep seems like those and the legion specific dice have all gone, presumably for reboxing or release on GW main site when the new edition drops?

I think we saw the frag drill as a silhouette on the base of the shadow war armageddon box

 redbristles wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
ALL the HH transfers seem to have gone from the FW site. Hope they aren't a permanent deletion!.

Yep seems like those and the legion specific dice have all gone, presumably for reboxing or release on GW main site when the new edition drops?

Likely. A little bit of patience is going to go a long way I think.

 Tastyfish wrote:
I think we saw the frag drill as a silhouette on the base of the shadow war armageddon box

It was one of the wire frame drawings on the side, yes