A while ago there were rumours of a 'never before done' new army for WHFB that might appear, if you check out the world map in the new rule book (pages 160-161) it now shows 'Kingdoms of Ind' and 'Hinterlands of Khuresh'. Could the new army be based on ancient India? Certainly never been done before. An army full of elephant type creatures, nice...

Mick

Ind has always been on the World Map - but just like Araby, Cathay and Nippon (ninja gnoblar excepted) GW have never had any plans to do armies based on these.

To be honest, would we want them to? They have a hard enough time getting their gak together (or not, as the case may be) for the armies they've got without having another one to ignore for editions on end...

P.S. before people bring it up, I know there's a Warmaster Araby army and I'm old enough to remember Albion and Norse stuff too. None of that means a new human WFB army is coming up

Nippon has had an army (or was it Cathay?). Certainly been an oriental army before.

Mick

i just remember the Ogre Maneater that was dressed like a chatayan ninja or swordsman?

Ogre? What Ogre? I don't see an Og.......

Nippon did have an army, back in 3rd ed. It didn't have more than a scattering of minis tho, rockets, ninjas and a temple dog monster.

and monkey warriors

how did that get discontinued? Sounds like pure win!

kanelom wrote:how did that get discontinued? Sounds like pure win!

How dare you question GW market decisions sir, that is outrageous. To think that they would do
something to infuriate their fan base and players

But seriously those minis were minis were hideous. I got a pairs of the dogs around and will take
pictures of them when I find them.

please do good sir.

They will most likely not make any more armies for Fantasy simply because what else can they do mechanically to make the army play different then the rest? They have a big selection of different play styles right now and unless someone gets a super great brain storm we are not getting another army. Well at least I think they have a big selection of play styles

I don't know who the new army is or which system its for but there is a new army approved that Jervis mentioned in Chicago after Games Day at the staff pizza dinner last year. There was a girl at the table with us who asked is there a brand new army that has been approved like we heard. He said "Yes, but that's all I will say."

Here's a pic of the Temple Dog minis from an old White Dwarf:



As far as any new WHFB armies on the horizon? Any new ones that are drastically different than what we've already got? Not in long while. They've got too much work to do bringing all the existing armies up to speed with the new rules. Now, Forge World eventually doing Chaos Dwarfs? That I'd believe (even if I don't imagine it will be soon). I imagine a brand new army for WHFB would be at least 3 years down the line.

That temple dog doesn't look that bad. It's just a product of its time. A modernised version, possibly by forgeworld, could easily end up in my collection

Eek! Double post!

You have to ask yourself: what poular trend is not part of GWs range?
Well Araby might be a choise. Dont know much about it in the GW world, but middleeastern stuff would probably make an interresting addition to their range if it was not already an Araby army once. Sort of a mix of "the thief of bagdad" and the kind of explosive expansion the arabs had during the first hundred years of Islam. Perhaps even use a central Prophet to lead a new take on Araby.

Edit: Not sure if this is a "popular trend", but I hope you see the crocked path my mind has rambled here.

Edit". Also GW seem to have alot of fun with the "easterners" haradrim or whatever in the lord of the rings range.

I have been working on an Ind army for a while now, converting ogres into Elephant men.

@Darkness - Are you using the OK Rules for it?

I think that's the biggest thing I see about the discussion of the addition of an Ind army, or a Cathay, or a Nippon, or an Araby army - any of those can be built using either the Empire or Bretonnian army books. There's 1) not very much info on these armies, and 2) enough leeway with how you build an Empire or Bretonnian army to represent one of these. Heck, you could even use a non-human army book if you justified it properly (I've been considering converting a Nippon army and using the HE rules.) The problem with creating yet another fantasy army is figuring out how to differentiate it from the other existing armies enough to justify the development costs.

Fayric wrote:You have to ask yourself: what poular trend is not part of GWs range?
Well Araby might be a choise. Dont know much about it in the GW world, but middleeastern stuff would probably make an interresting addition to their range if it was not already an Araby army once. Sort of a mix of "the thief of bagdad" and the kind of explosive expansion the arabs had during the first hundred years of Islam. Perhaps even use a central Prophet to lead a new take on Araby.

Edit: Not sure if this is a "popular trend", but I hope you see the crocked path my mind has rambled here.

Edit". Also GW seem to have alot of fun with the "easterners" haradrim or whatever in the lord of the rings range.

I think the problem with that is that it could be risky to do an army like that. There's too much potential in the exaggerated world Warhammer inhabits to start getting into racial stereotypes. It's a tightrope. If it's the French (Bretonnians) or the Germans (Empire) it's not too bad, but I doubt GW fancies gently poking fun at, or exaggerating, the Indian subcontinent or the Middle East, not these days. Flying carpets? Genies? Nah, I don't think it would be a clever idea.

I seem to remember a series of Pygmy Warrior miniatures GW used to make. Wow, they really were politically incorrect back in the old days, weren't they?

Now, what I WOULD like to see would be Warhammer Armies: Albion. I can see them as a kind of Pre-Roman British celtic/barbarian army, with plenty of skirmishers and chariots. Also Druids, The Green Man, Witches, stone circles, dark forests and Faeries (but not 'nice' ones...). That would be VERY cool.

I dont think GW is going to do very many more armies.. it takes a lot of effort to keep everything up to date and they have a very BAD track record with new armies

Ogres, tomb kings, dogs of war were all horrible.. demons were very overpowered

Go to 40k and you have demons being pretty bad and necrons, DH/WH and DE still have 3rd edition books.

Please GW no more armies if you arent going to take them seriously

Albatross wrote:Now, what I WOULD like to see would be Warhammer Armies: Albion. I can see them as a kind of Pre-Roman British celtic/barbarian army, with plenty of skirmishers and chariots. Also Druids, The Green Man, Witches, stone circles, dark forests and Faeries (but not 'nice' ones...). That would be VERY cool.

You mean a human version of the Wood Elves?

Death By Monkeys wrote:

Albatross wrote:Now, what I WOULD like to see would be Warhammer Armies: Albion. I can see them as a kind of Pre-Roman British celtic/barbarian army, with plenty of skirmishers and chariots. Also Druids, The Green Man, Witches, stone circles, dark forests and Faeries (but not 'nice' ones...). That would be VERY cool.

You mean a human version of the Wood Elves?

Sort of. Wood Elves crossed with Orcs.

@Kirasu - Tau are a 'new' army to many older gamers. They seem to be fairly successful.

They had the book in store in local GW there are no new armies, i checked, also said nothing about starter set.

Albatross wrote:Sort of. Wood Elves crossed with Orcs.

I understood what you were getting at. I was just pointing out that the type of army you're asking for could be roughly represented by Wood Elves (or Orcs, for that matter, if you did it right). The use of Dogs of War units could fill out areas where one list just can't get it.

Albatross wrote:@Kirasu - Tau are a 'new' army to many older gamers. They seem to be fairly successful.

True, but they've been out for quite awhile now.

gw have in the past added lots of barely mentioned races (40k) and barely mentioned regions (fantasy) to the background fluff.
this
A: gives them the potential to bring in new armies in the future, without it being out of the blue
and
B: gives them more background information for the systems

there are many, many mentions of races/armies that have yet to be released and most probably will never be released,
unless gw makes an awful lot of mentions about an army over a prolonged period then I wouldn't read too much into it.

IMO, if you wanna have a nippon army, just use Empire rules and build it around your theme.. like, use swordsmen and free companies.. samauris could count as greatswords or knights. You could mix in stuff from all kinds of asian history and/or mythology and just get creative

there's lots of models out there from historical games that you can use. I think those Perry Twin fellas have a line of ninjas and samauri's

Orion_44 wrote:I don't know who the new army is or which system its for but there is a new army approved that Jervis mentioned in Chicago after Games Day at the staff pizza dinner last year. There was a girl at the table with us who asked is there a brand new army that has been approved like we heard. He said "Yes, but that's all I will say."

Hmm... This is interesting.

Considering:

a) Jervis lies
b) Technically if they created codex Grey knights that would be a new book...

It doesn't really rule it out for 40k or warhammer.

I presume this is a studio army he's talking about, and seeing as the rumours around Oct last year were for warhammer (I think? I wasn't checking the 40k side), it will be interesting to see what happens.

Thanks for posting.

Technically a Grey Knights book wouldn't really be new, it'd just be bringing an army back to where it was before third edition where they jammed the Inquisition into the codex.

Fayric wrote:You have to ask yourself: what poular trend is not part of GWs range?
Well Araby might be a choise. Dont know much about it in the GW world, but middleeastern stuff would probably make an interresting addition to their range if it was not already an Araby army once. Sort of a mix of "the thief of bagdad" and the kind of explosive expansion the arabs had during the first hundred years of Islam. Perhaps even use a central Prophet to lead a new take on Araby.

Edit: Not sure if this is a "popular trend", but I hope you see the crocked path my mind has rambled here.

Edit". Also GW seem to have alot of fun with the "easterners" haradrim or whatever in the lord of the rings range.

What could possibly go wrong?!?

I completely agree with Albatross...way too risky. I think in today's world climate, GW wouldn't chance it.

Padre^.

That kind of stuff should stop Melissia there was no Grey knight codex before the current one for all you know the inq and the Grey knights are pals and have been from the founding of the order.

sonofruss wrote:That kind of stuff should stop Melissia there was no Grey knight codex before the current one for all you know the inq and the Grey knights are pals and have been from the founding of the order.

If I remeber rightly, Grey Knights first appeared in the late eighties, so that would of been for the original Rogue Trader...

Mick

Cripes I hope GW don't do an Albion Army. Would have to invest in that and that would make the bank manager very angry.

Don't want to upset the bank manager

Mick A wrote:

sonofruss wrote:That kind of stuff should stop Melissia there was no Grey knight codex before the current one for all you know the inq and the Grey knights are pals and have been from the founding of the order.

If I remeber rightly, Grey Knights first appeared in the late eighties, so that would of been for the original Rogue Trader...

Mick

This is what I was talking about daemon hunters was the first codex with them in it as a separate playable force they were add ons in space hulk and additions to your army in 40k.
but this is off topic the topic is possible new armies in warhammer fantasy not 40k.
stay on target stay on target

Fayric wrote:You have to ask yourself: what poular trend is not part of GWs range?
Well Araby might be a choise. Dont know much about it in the GW world, but middleeastern stuff would probably make an interresting addition to their range if it was not already an Araby army once. Sort of a mix of "the thief of bagdad" and the kind of explosive expansion the arabs had during the first hundred years of Islam. Perhaps even use a central Prophet to lead a new take on Araby.

Edit: Not sure if this is a "popular trend", but I hope you see the crocked path my mind has rambled here.

Edit". Also GW seem to have alot of fun with the "easterners" haradrim or whatever in the lord of the rings range.

I highly doubt they'd do that after what happened to Viacom for the South Park episode.

How did a WHFB thread turn into a 40k one?

sonofruss wrote:That kind of stuff should stop Melissia there was no Grey knight codex before the current one for all you know the inq and the Grey knights are pals and have been from the founding of the order.

i was fielding grey knights with my eldar in the first edition... hmmm 5 level 4 psykers 1200 points ... ah those were the days.....

There's also reference to some sort of aquatic race with needle like teeth that carry out raids on Dark Elf vessels. They've been mentioned in the Dark Elf fluff before and I'd like to see them expanded in some way, but not necessarily in an army list.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Here's a pic of the Temple Dog minis from an old White Dwarf:



As far as any new WHFB armies on the horizon? Any new ones that are drastically different than what we've already got? Not in long while. They've got too much work to do bringing all the existing armies up to speed with the new rules. Now, Forge World eventually doing Chaos Dwarfs? That I'd believe (even if I don't imagine it will be soon). I imagine a brand new army for WHFB would be at least 3 years down the line.

This picture has to be a fake. Not because I don't believe they made the mini, but because it has the word "sale" on it.

Albatross wrote:

I seem to remember a series of Pygmy Warrior miniatures GW used to make. Wow, they really were politically incorrect back in the old days, weren't they?
.

I have a bunch of these figures actually. They are currently slated to go into my IG Praetorian Guard as conscripts.

Does it mention Dragon Kingdoms like the last one? If so, I'd think that would be a new army that might get some traction.

If GW want to earn more money all they need to do is release Space Marines in Fantasy packaging and release an army book for them. I would like to see some SM scouts beat the #*+~ out of some wood elves and a Dwarf Gyrocopter being chased by a Land Speeder (or shot down by a lascannon).

Obviously they would be in a new colour (I think purple) so that people don't just use the marines they already have.

I'd like to see a Nippon or Cathay army, asian influences are conspicuously missing from the game and the dragon empire is the largest and more powerful human empire on the planet. It deserves representation.

I agree if anything I am sure that it would sell in japan.

It did cross my mind that with the new stores opening in Japan that a Sino-Japanese army might be on the cards.

Fishmen from Atlantis! A Cathay-Ind themed Tibetian like army with magic monks, elephant men, and Yeti.

I could see a Cathay army or a Nippon army doing well (They might have to change the name here as 'Japan' is 'Nippon' in Japanese. Like if the 'Empire' had 'Deutschland' written on the box), but the Araby army would be bad news. Somehow, I think GW knows this. Possibly some sort of Carthaginian themed army from North Araby might work, using classical mythology, but there are already a bunch of 'human' armies.

I thought they were going to bring back Chaos Dwarfs.

I remember when Ogres came out and there was a WD article that stated that WHFB will be heading "eastward" in the future....Recently GW was qouted as saying a new race, non-human, & non-asiatic, and one that has never been done for WHFB is coming out in 2011.....The suggestion is a nid/fish like race.......

spacewolflord wrote:They will most likely not make any more armies for Fantasy simply because what else can they do mechanically to make the army play different then the rest?

M6 S4+ T3 close combat

Vlad Von Carstien wrote:I agree if anything I am sure that it would sell in japan.

I'm skeptical. Everyone said the same thing about Tau and they don't sell particularly well here.



The chief problem I see is that westerner Warhammer fans seem to have trouble telling the difference between Cathay and Nippon, and keep wanting to lump them in as one and the same. And they aren't. And I can see Japanese and Chinese players getting quite insulted if they see thousands of years of their country's culture getting squished into their main local rival's just because westerners can't really tell the difference. It would be a bit like if some Japanese miniature company made a "white people" army composed of Empire Longswordsmen, Brettonian Knight formations, Roman legionaires, and Gaulish light chariots. And then said, "well, we want to sell well in White People-land, so white people will buy these models because they're white people!"

I'd love to see a Cathay army, but I want it to be pure Cathay and I want GW to do their research. I want it to be an original creation that fits into the Warhammer world but clearly echoes real Chinese history. I do not want to see kung-fu guys in silk pajamas and hobgoblins with enormous moustaches. I'd be okay with a Nipponese army too, but frankly I start to get iffy on the subject when I start to imagine what the fans would do with it. Because eventually someone would make a Naruto army. And then next thing you know I'd be in front of a judge trying to explain why the homicide wasn't just justified, it was necessary.

But what I'd most rather see is GW just focus on getting their existing armies done properly. I could support adding another army if their sculptors weren't tied to armies as projects and could just sculpt whatever they wanted whenever the inspiration struck. But GW doesn't release like that- they've got one chance to make an army work and then players are stuck with that for like what, 7 years? And as a current beastman player, I know quite well what we can get stuck with. No, GW, please, take things slow, do your minis right, and then if you have time before next edition, you can start thinking about a new army.

Shotgun wrote:This picture has to be a fake. Not because I don't believe they made the mini, but because it has the word "sale" on it.

Nah. It just means you got into The GW Hobby after 40k4 came out.

Why, back in the day, GW would give you 3 for 2 whenever they opened a store...

AT-43.CO.UK wrote:If GW want to earn more money all they need to do is release Space Marines in Fantasy packaging and release an army book for them. I would like to see some SM scouts beat the #*+~ out of some wood elves and a Dwarf Gyrocopter being chased by a Land Speeder (or shot down by a lascannon).

Obviously they would be in a new colour (I think purple) so that people don't just use the marines they already have.

Lol.
This would turn Fantasy into 40k.

Actually, I don't see any reason an Araby army wouldn't work if GW exercised some common sense. Part of that common sense being absolutely no references to Islam or Mohammed whatsoever. Seriously, they have managed to build an entire continent based on mideaval/rennaissance Europe without a single reference to Christianity, why should Araby be any different? Bonus points if they could make a reference to how superior Arab science is at this stage in the Warhammer world's history, especially math, astronomy, and chemistry. Have a special character who is analagous to the chivalrous Saladin (though stripped of religious connections) and a more evil special character who consorts with chaotic djinni to let players make the army in the spirit they choose. I can see this working extremely well, actually. And if they cleverly made a plastic light infantry unit that could be mixed with IG bits to make a Tallarn army, I think it would be splendid.

Though I'd still prefer GW focus on getting their existing lines done right.

@albatross
They had a campaign setting with albion once. some nice models of giants druids and fen beasts. But I guess it wasnt tecnically an army.
Yes, barbarians is getting popular again, but I dont know how to fit them in the gw world (to make a never before done army). It would be cool with a beastmaster army, barbarians riding wyverns and stuff. But it all looks like a mix of existing armies (now that I added dark elfs to the mix
I still think Araby would be an important thing for the fluff of the Empire, and we all know Fantasy battle is kind of centered around the Empire, fluffwise. And on a deeper level I think it would be a good thing to make use of the advanced culture the arabian world was, and the importance it had to europe during the era that "the old world" represent (if you like to veiew this fantasy world as an echo of our history, that is), a history most europeans chose to ignore. (most of all I think GW is quite good at historical and cultural insights and weave them in to their fantasy world in a sensible way to make both familliarity and escapism. I dont think they are unaware of the impact the Islamic expasion had on europe, and would most likely want to integrate that in their world; which they already have, in the fluff) But I agree that an Araby army would look very much like an empire army considering the rules.

Edit: just realised Johira was on the same subject. @Johira: I fully agree

I think many are missing the point Games Workshop had already said the next fantasy army would not be human, not be asiatic, not be a line they have ever done....

It'll be non human, of that we are sure.....

@spartanlegion:
Sorry, didn know that was a fact.

My guess then is Fimir, even if they did have some models once.
What else? Hideous fish people? (chtulhu theme? YAY!)
Yet another elf army?
Hobbits?
An empire of dragons beyond the worlds edge mountain?
The gnome trade alliance?
Got it! Samurai skaven of nippon! Odd, yet honorable rats of the far east. (no offence meant to our Japanese friends and fellow players, just running wild here)

Edit: Well there have been mention of Hobgobla Khan ruling the eastern steppes (in the current rulebook). Non human non asiatic yet eastern themed. there you have it. Ive only heard of Hobgoblins as part of aother armies before. (what a dissapointment this would be)

This has been mentioned since 2008 and it will be a nid equivalent...an insectsoid or fish like race of some sort.............

I can't find it anywhere,I have torn apart my house looking for it... but all you WHFRP players from back in 1988, I know one of the hardcover books came with a poster sized map, and on one of the edges of the poster by the legend is a fishman, who looks like a monkey with gills and he's holding a spear.. sorry, I must have thrown it out.. hopefully someone has it and could show us.. :(

I played WHFB a long time ago with a High Elf army, can't say I loved the game all that much but it was enjoyable at times. However, if GW did add a Nippon/Cathay (Samurai) style army, that could very well bring me back into a game I gave up on back at the 5th edition.

Nid-Fish? Me likes. I'd drop my Lizardmen for that for sure.

Fayric wrote:Edit: Well there have been mention of Hobgobla Khan ruling the eastern steppes (in the current rulebook). Non human non asiatic yet eastern themed. there you have it. Ive only heard of Hobgoblins as part of aother armies before. (what a dissapointment this would be)

Mongolia is still in asia. Not traditionally thought of as eastern, but still asia. Cool as it'd be, Ogres also kinda fill the role of Mongols, so I donno how likely it is. I'd go absolutely crazy if they released Araby as I love the traditional middle-eastern aesthetic, but chances are it's not gonna happen.

@Johira. Actually, the Empire stuff does have catholic/protestant references, google Jan Huss and the protestant movement, alot of how the empire gun lines and Huss's background is ripped from the Hussites movement in Tabor. Very cool bit of history, Ziska, their military leader, was undefeated in battle, even when blinded! Look up Hussite War Wagon... Mobile castles! Love it!

@Sarrazon
I meant hobgoblins are hobgoblins, and might not be concidered asiatic, but I see my clumsy error in this never mind I was not being very serious.

These fish men sounds like more than speculation, but I thought GW wanted to avoid 40k/Fantasy resemblence now days (about the nid resemblence)

Looking at this worldmap
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/241946.page
I think those fishmen could be fit around "the dragon isles", making it east, but not really asiatic. anyone know about these Dragon Isles or the city of spires? (by the way, I heard the next "Avatar" movie Is going to take place in the great oceans; I guess these fishmen (and fish women) will get a big boost once that comes out)

seriously am i the only one who hates the idea of fish/insect people? i am trying to break myself into fantasy but if gw release a race liek that i will find it even harder.

i would love an Araby army, i remember loving the warmaster one....which people always seem to forget....

Id honestly love more armies that arent human or elvish like. There are 2 human armies 4 elf armies (if you can really count wood elves, they are a lot of treepeoplez).

An insectoid horde army would be pretty awsome!

ShivanAngel wrote:Id honestly love more armies that arent human or elvish like. There are 2 human armies 4 elf armies (if you can really count wood elves, they are a lot of treepeoplez).

An insectoid horde army would be pretty awsome!

Agreed. Many (most?) people tend to not like change as change can bring bad things. I for one am always up for change. I know its fantasy but more dwarfs\humans\elf's would be a little bit of a let down. More fantasy creatures of some sort is always a good thing IMO.

Considering I dislike nearly all the armies be it 40k or WHFB, I prob won't like it.

If I had my way I would stand up and say "NO Mr Games Workshop!! Bad, bad, bad Mr Games Workshop!! Fix the current armies. Add more characters\units to them. Update their Codex book. THEN you can go out and play.. err.. I mean, make a new army\race".

Dragon Isles are currently occupied by primitive lizardmen ruled by Saurus not Slann because there are none over there. Much more savage than regular lizardmen almost as bad as Beasts of chaos when it comes to capturing and sacrificing people.

Ok dragon Isles are occupied, but perhaps the water around them are full of fish-nids (and thats what making the Saurus so angry)
I dont know, Im beginning to suspect at least one of eastern, non human, non asiatic is a false statement. Didnt they have alot of Fishmen mythology in the isles between australia and asia main land? In that case, the fisk-nids ought to come from south of nippon (by those lost High Elf colonies).

I dont even know why I bother, I stopped playing Fantasy battle years ago. Sorry. Ill be quiet now.

if GW have stated that the next army will be something they have never done before then it can only be one thing:

A balanced army

I have heard in the past that they have kicked around the idea of "Ape men" a la Planet of the Apes. Now, Ape Fish men might be kind of cool. Perhaps it'll be the Annunaki in celebration of 2012. hurr hurr hurr.

Please no nids in WHFB
Good grief it's a rubbish idea.
Why fish people? The current races have some consistent internal logic to the warhammer world.

These are just races parachuted in by the marketing men imho .

I know that the forces of chaos are supposed to represent the great threat to the warhammer world (followed by Nagash and Mat Ward), but I like the idea of another evil army that cannot be negotiated with and is entirely separate from chaos.

The only army that would meet this I think would actually be a warhammer tyranids type army (only without the planet devouring).

They could have been around long before the old ones.

Chaos Dwarfs would be better though.

To pick up on an earlier point, here's a crazy idea. They make Cathay only very loosely based on china, and Nippon loosely based on japan. Loose enough that they can throw in whatever they want without people getting offended. The closer they make it to Warhammer: Army of China the more people will be offended imo.

I was actually very close to seeing a picture of the FW cathayan sculpts btw. Not to be however.

Grimstonefire wrote:I know that the forces of chaos are supposed to represent the great threat to the warhammer world (followed by Nagash and Mat Ward), but I like the idea of another evil army that cannot be negotiated with and is entirely separate from chaos.

The only army that would meet this I think would actually be a warhammer tyranids type army (only without the planet devouring).

Well there is still Orks And Gobbas right?

In the RPG there used to be a fourth big Chaos god that was opposed to all other Chaos gods, dont remember his name, and dont know how they managed to fluff that out, but it would be interresting to se such an army. Lots of warped magicians and muties fighting the good fight (and ofcourse getting bashed by both Chaos and the forces of order). Maybe thats what they are doing in the kingdom of Ind?

Fayric wrote:

Grimstonefire wrote:I know that the forces of chaos are supposed to represent the great threat to the warhammer world (followed by Nagash and Mat Ward), but I like the idea of another evil army that cannot be negotiated with and is entirely separate from chaos.

The only army that would meet this I think would actually be a warhammer tyranids type army (only without the planet devouring).

Well there is still Orks And Gobbas right?

In the RPG there used to be a fourth big Chaos god that was opposed to all other Chaos gods, dont remember his name, and dont know how they managed to fluff that out, but it would be interresting to se such an army. Lots of warped magicians and muties fighting the good fight (and ofcourse getting bashed by both Chaos and the forces of order). Maybe thats what they are doing in the kingdom of Ind?

Malal?

Malal fell prey to the gods of copyright infringement. Kinda ironic.

The Malal thread is an old one and a dead end-it came out of the Kaleb Daark comic strip in the original Citadel Journals and Compendiums (early eighties) Malal has no army, only two single characters Kaleb (basically a chaos lord but styled as Moorcocks "Elric" - "Dread-Axe is "Stormbringer") and then an ogre "Skrag the slaughterer" was released that wasn't even in the comic strip.
In the early versions of warhammer there were lots of chaos gods - atleast 10, Malal was rendered redundant once the big 4 gods were defined in Realm of chaos as they all had an element of infighting in their nature.


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As someone who has been in the hobby since the early eighties i can never understand why people are so keen on the idea of a new rules set.
6Th was a good step forward but as always the army books wrecked the system with too many special rules that opt out of the basic game mechanics often with no reflection of the ability in the points costs.
What i would like to see from GW is a rock solid rule book that stands forever - they could still update new prints of the book with clarifications and corrections to any printing errors but players would be able to play a game against anyone with a set with the most recent print taking precedence in any disputes.
Army "books" could be in folder form allowing new troop additions to simply slide in as released over the years.
An absolute minimum of special rules would be favourable with troop differences reflected in stats: eg no always strikes first - give them I 10 instead and reflect this in the points cost.
The points system its-self is one of the biggest problems- there should be a published points formula (there was in version 2) to allow gamers to make troops of there own devising (including whole armies) that could be used in games against anyone.
Troops should be balanced so that a 500pt monster has a 50/50 chance against 500pts of combat troops in a unit. All troops should be capable of wounding but no auto wound.
As far as new races, they could have covered over fifty by now if they didn't keep selling us the same thing over and over.

I would suggest for anyone not desperate to play in tournements: agree with your friends to stick with one set of rules, get a look at version 2 point value calculator and modify it to fit newer rules and make your own troop types and whole armies - there are plenty of figure manufacturers out there so you can probably get a representation of most things with a little work. and you wont have to pay for a new version of rules for your unit before you have had chance to collect and paint it - wouldn't it be nice to be able to finish an army, move on to another project and a few years down the line still be able to use the whole army?

sorry this is so disjointed but i needed to vent a bit.

An Kingdom of Ind army would be kind of cool. Tigers and Elephants and stuff. I know that the next army isn't supposed to be human, but still I think a human one from the East would be a cool idea.

Daemons/Chaos from the Southern pole might be kind of rad too, but I personally can't come up with any kind of fluff that might work. I'm willing to assume that the brain trust at GW can't either.

I think fishmen a la Tyrannids is going to be the next 'new' army. Chaos Dwarfs would be better though.

JOHIRA wrote:

Vlad Von Carstien wrote:I agree if anything I am sure that it would sell in japan.

I'm skeptical. Everyone said the same thing about Tau and they don't sell particularly well here.



The chief problem I see is that westerner Warhammer fans seem to have trouble telling the difference between Cathay and Nippon, and keep wanting to lump them in as one and the same. And they aren't. And I can see Japanese and Chinese players getting quite insulted if they see thousands of years of their country's culture getting squished into their main local rival's just because westerners can't really tell the difference. It would be a bit like if some Japanese miniature company made a "white people" army composed of Empire Longswordsmen, Brettonian Knight formations, Roman legionaires, and Gaulish light chariots. And then said, "well, we want to sell well in White People-land, so white people will buy these models because they're white people!"

I'd love to see a Cathay army, but I want it to be pure Cathay and I want GW to do their research. I want it to be an original creation that fits into the Warhammer world but clearly echoes real Chinese history. I do not want to see kung-fu guys in silk pajamas and hobgoblins with enormous moustaches. I'd be okay with a Nipponese army too, but frankly I start to get iffy on the subject when I start to imagine what the fans would do with it. Because eventually someone would make a Naruto army. And then next thing you know I'd be in front of a judge trying to explain why the homicide wasn't just justified, it was necessary.

But what I'd most rather see is GW just focus on getting their existing armies done properly. I could support adding another army if their sculptors weren't tied to armies as projects and could just sculpt whatever they wanted whenever the inspiration struck. But GW doesn't release like that- they've got one chance to make an army work and then players are stuck with that for like what, 7 years? And as a current beastman player, I know quite well what we can get stuck with. No, GW, please, take things slow, do your minis right, and then if you have time before next edition, you can start thinking about a new army.

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What jprp Said.

sonofruss wrote:That kind of stuff should stop Melissia there was no Grey knight codex before the current one for all you know the inq and the Grey knights are pals and have been from the founding of the order.

Actually I was thinking of Purge the Unclean rather than a proper codex. Index Astartes was certainly legal however.

edit: Similarly, they were in Warhammer 40,000: Dark Millennium, second edition's expansion.

Funny thing about introducing a 'nid expy: Jim Butcher has a Zerg knock off in his High fantasy series. Albeit this fantasy setting features Legionaire Elemental-Benders against Yeti-Ice Mages, Near immortal Wolf people and Animal-Bonding Native Americans...

If they do add another army could it be, for example Chaos Dwarfs, Dogs of War, Kisslevites or Norse? I liked many of the Regiments of Renown and the Chaos Dwarves are a nice evil counterpart to the Dorfs. Kisslevites have always had some link to the Empire but got written out in 6th onwards, the Norse are another idea with interesting points, although it probably possible to run them as Beastmen with Bearmen standing in for Minotaurs.

Fimir as an army is kind of weird as the only fluff I recall of them is about them bullying small orc or goblin tribes into service and being relatively few in number.

I suppose the Old World needs another epic threat like Chaos that can't be negotiated with or stopped. I really can't see DE, O&G, OK, VC and ToK siding with Chaos when the apocalypse rolls round to nuke the whole world, heck O&G and OK would be more likely to fight Chaos because its a bigger, stronger opponent than the other races. Other than a Tyranid knockoff I really can't think of anything though.

Also whats the 4th Elf race?

Considering the map of the world, why not an Australian race of Kangaroo/Koala/Platypus/Snake/Croc-men that are fighting Chaos at the Southern pole and use a magic system that isn't connected to the Winds of Magic and who seek to wipeout all the other races who use it because they're just making the problem worse?

Apart from marketing benefits does WHFB actually need another race? If so why a brand new one, and not something neglected that is currently in the fluff?

I seem to be pretty much on my own on this.

Also Chaos seems enough of a problem to contend with.
Now that terrain can get up and bite you on the derrier how about chaotic vegetation and rock dudes.
(don't mean guys with long hair and aerial geetars! )

Good point. Perhaps GW would like to make an army that can rally make use of recent years progress in sculpting epic models. For this a fisch-nid army would be great for them.
Feels like most fantasy-battle armies just have those massive units of foot-soldiers (they are trying to make the Wood elfs more flexible I think). So, an army of big serpentine monsters flexing arms and tails in daring poses. Nagas of Ind, perhaps, if they dont just make a Nid equaliant

JOHIRA wrote:Actually, I don't see any reason an Araby army wouldn't work if GW exercised some common sense. Part of that common sense being absolutely no references to Islam or Mohammed whatsoever. Seriously, they have managed to build an entire continent based on mideaval/rennaissance Europe without a single reference to Christianity, why should Araby be any different? Bonus points if they could make a reference to how superior Arab science is at this stage in the Warhammer world's history, especially math, astronomy, and chemistry. Have a special character who is analagous to the chivalrous Saladin (though stripped of religious connections) and a more evil special character who consorts with chaotic djinni to let players make the army in the spirit they choose. I can see this working extremely well, actually. And if they cleverly made a plastic light infantry unit that could be mixed with IG bits to make a Tallarn army, I think it would be splendid.

This. This a thousand times.

I'd absolutely adore an Araby army, only problem is the political mudhole that comes with anything that might be perceived as maligning the Arab world. It's not really like GW's trying very hard to hide the fact that it's Arabia anyway, given that Araby is just an old Orientalist term for the region anyhow (which is quite possibly offensive in its own right, come to think of it). Especially when your company is based in Europe, it's definitely something to keep an eye on.

Still, if done right, it could be rather fun: Alchemists, advanced siege weaponry, camels (preferably with rules that turn them into cavalry hunters), maybe some infantry based on the Turkish Janissaries... I'd definitely buy in.

JOHIRA wrote: absolutely no references to Islam or Mohammed whatsoever.

No reference needed - although it'd be nice if GW were to visually depict the gawd of the Araby Mohammedans ...

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Laughing Man wrote:I'd absolutely adore an Araby army, only problem is the political mudhole that comes with anything that might be perceived as maligning the Arab world.

Oh, c'mon. Those guys are uniformly easy-going, not at all hyper sensitive. It's not like Rushdie still lives under a fatwa of death...

Laughing Man wrote:It's not really like GW's trying very hard to hide the fact that it's Arabia anyway, given that Araby is just an old Orientalist term for the region anyhow

And *that* my friend., is what is going to make Warhammer Armies: Araby a surefire hit.

I only hope and pray that GW does Araby before Cathay. That way, the Arabs can do the hard work of beating a little racial & cultural sensitivity into GW's collective head before they tackle the stuff that I care about.

An Araby army would be cool.
It is doubtful if there would be any more objection to it than an Aladdin film or pantomime.

Jinn, Rocs, Simorg, mechanical flying horses spring to mind. Loads of scope for interesting units and models

Well, if we consider the recent video interviews with Jervis & Chambers ("...nonhuman, nonasiatic (no araby, nippon, cathay, etc...), a range never done before..."), look at qoutes from WD, consider Island of Blood (?..), and read new rulebook hints, & the following is considered-

40k - WHFB
Daemons = Daemons
Chaos = Chaos
Dark Eldar = Dark Elves
Eldar = Elves/Wood Elves
Imperial Guard/Space Marines = empire/brets
Necrons = Tomb Kings/Vampire Counts
Orks = Orks/Goblins
Tau = old nippon, nothing current though...
Tyranids = nothing equivalent yet...
squats (old & gone) = Dwarfs
Chaos ? = Beastmen
? = Lizardmen
? = Skaven

It would stand to reason the next WHF army would be the 40k counterpart of either Tau or Tyranids...Both could be a buglike or fish like army in WHFB....

Having said that, could 40k someday see a space like lizardmen or skaven army?

Hmmmm......

It would be cool for an Ind army to be made of Tigermen though, that might be cool......

Considering that tyranids were originally based around the idea of dinosaurs, I'd say lizardmen are their equivalent.

I'd also say tau are the current equivalent of Dwarfs.

dereksatkinson wrote:Considering that tyranids were originally based around the idea of dinosaurs, I'd say lizardmen are their equivalent.

I'd also say tau are the current equivalent of Dwarfs.

I'd agree with the lizardmen statement, but not the Dwarf statement... There were squats in space originally & dwarves in Fantasy.... I was comparing actual equivalents of ranges in each system...

I believe that in the 8th Ed rulebook there is a fluff section called An Age of War (page 156/157), that discusses all the big armies marching to war. The following lines is what grabbed me:

"In the Dark Lands , the blacksmiths of Chaos emerge from their citadels. Amongst them come lava-spewing golems and vast winged bulls branded with the mark of the Father of Darkness"

This sounds very much like Chaos Dwarfs to me

"Albino giants from the northern wastes, clad in icicles and hoarfrost, ripping up pine trees in their hunt for the blood of man."

Though this could refer to Ogre Kingdoms Yhetees I suppose, the main other idea that comes to mind for this is Norse

Everything else in the article is from a recognizable army list I believe.

The chaos dwarfs actually had quite a few references in the rulebook. Jervis also confirmed (again) GW's intention that FW are releasing some CD's at their studio release day last week.

I'm waiting for the person he told to post a little more, so I may have more to add.

Chaos dwarfs were said to be coming back.... (key word coming back)....but there is a reference (several) to a NEW race coming out.....again, NEW race..... I love seeing araby and nippon and cathay repeatedly brought up as the possible new army (but they are not new).....There is a nonhuman/nonasiatic/never before done line coming out......

One of the special rules in the new book is "Sea Creatures" which enables a monster with this rule to move through water features with no movement penalty.

There are of course currently NO Warhammer units with this rule.

...unless it's supposed to be a variation of "Aquatic"

What if it's freshwater?
Most sea creatures need salinated water don't they?

Then again, they usually stay in the sea.
And will there be perilous aquatic terrain rules?
Like it fries fish folk or some such

Got the book in front of me now, to quote...

"Sea Creatures can move within any area of water on the battlefield, including rivers and even deep water that players have deemed impassable to other models, as if it were open ground. However, when out of the water they cannot march".

This really does not apply to any existing Warhammer unit. The Lizardmen's Aquatic rule doesn't prohibit them from marching on dry land.

I also draw attention to an event on the timeline as seen on page 176...

"A Dark Elf corsair fleet is dragged beneath the waves by an onslaught of submerisble craft that appear to be half ship and half kraken. Only one of the Druchii corsairs survives, and his tales of needle-fanged warriors from the depths are dismissed as madness"

It is clear that the designers acknowledge the existence of some form of aquatic race in the Warhammer World and might well be paving the way for it with the Sea Creatures rule, but at the end of the day, it's taken GW over a decade to release a Dark Eldar Codex, so Warhammer Armies: Aquatic Race will probably never happen.

Flashman wrote: it's taken GW over a decade to release a Space Wolves Codex, so Warhammer Armies: Atlanteans will probably happen when GW finally gets around to them.

FYP.

Factcheck: Space Wolves waited the longest between updates. DE got a V2 Codex less than a decade ago.

Some flavor of Fishmen / Fimir wouldn't be the worst thing to enter the WFB universe.

The flavour would presumably be of fish?

What do you reckon would be worst John, please?
I find the fishmen a bit silly tbh.
I know there is another system which has them and that seems fine. But it feels that they are being shoehorned into the Warhammer world.

I can see the advantages for GW inasmuch as there won't be any conflict of territory with existing races. and can legitimately pop up anywhere to fight other armies a la Skaven.

Fishmen could work quite well. Look at Forgotten Realm's "Yuan-Ti" for a semi-aquatic race that's ridiculously uncommon, yet has their hands in all kinds of pies.

Stargazy Pies mostly

sorry couldn't resist

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:The flavour would presumably be of fish?

What do you reckon would be worst John, please?

But it feels that they are being shoehorned into the Warhammer world.

Well, it can't be Lizards, because that's already been done. Just as GW has wet & dry Undead, and mortal & Daemonic Chaos, shooty & cav humans, along with big & small furries, 3 flavors of Elves, surely a 2nd set of cold-blooded couldn't hurt.

Recycling the Dwarf trope with giant hats and Assyrian beards would be pretty stupid, but thankfully, that's not a concern. What would really jump the shark? A sci-fi robotic "ooze" nanobot-based army.

Nah. *Ogres* were shoehorned. Atlanteans would be very natural.

What about an elemental race?

Flashman wrote:One of the special rules in the new book is "Sea Creatures" which enables a monster with this rule to move through water features with no movement penalty.

There are of course currently NO Warhammer units with this rule.

I noticed that too. You think GW saw how excited people got about that other company's weresharks and lobster cavalry and decided to grab a piece of the pie?

I could live with fish-people if the minis are good.

I would be very happy to see a fishmen army.

You think GW saw how excited people got about that other company's weresharks and lobster cavalry and decided to grab a piece of the pie?

Who will then copyright all amphibian people terminologies and put the other guys out of business

Actually it could be the repressed memories of weresharks and lobster cavalry that is making me nervous about the idea of Piscians.
Apologies to those that find them cool but they just seem silly

Guess that giant eel type creatures could be interesting but not hordes of guppies

Oh lordie, there's the possibility of schoolboys yelling, "I've got crabs!" every 5 minutes in the GW store!

As far as a new army goes, I've not seen anything more in the book than would usually be suggested. A leap of faith might siggest Stromfel (sp?) from the Gotrek and Felix audiobook leading to a sea cultist army of pirates but this would seem unlikely. My first thought with the Sea Creature rule was giving River Trolls a tactical advantage with bodies of water, a bit like the Strider rules but for lakes / ponds / large rivers. This could be more important in Legendary games on huge themed boards. Alternatively if a bridge over a deep river was the focus of a game then having a unit that could outflank this could be fun.

If there is going to be an aquatic race they will be able to have units of Pikemen!

Albatross wrote:

Fayric wrote:You have to ask yourself: what poular trend is not part of GWs range?
Well Araby might be a choise. Dont know much about it in the GW world, but middleeastern stuff would probably make an interresting addition to their range if it was not already an Araby army once. Sort of a mix of "the thief of bagdad" and the kind of explosive expansion the arabs had during the first hundred years of Islam. Perhaps even use a central Prophet to lead a new take on Araby.

Edit: Not sure if this is a "popular trend", but I hope you see the crocked path my mind has rambled here.

Edit". Also GW seem to have alot of fun with the "easterners" haradrim or whatever in the lord of the rings range.

I think the problem with that is that it could be risky to do an army like that. There's too much potential in the exaggerated world Warhammer inhabits to start getting into racial stereotypes. It's a tightrope. If it's the French (Bretonnians) or the Germans (Empire) it's not too bad, but I doubt GW fancies gently poking fun at, or exaggerating, the Indian subcontinent or the Middle East, not these days. Flying carpets? Genies? Nah, I don't think it would be a clever idea.

I seem to remember a series of Pygmy Warrior miniatures GW used to make. Wow, they really were politically incorrect back in the old days, weren't they?

Now, what I WOULD like to see would be Warhammer Armies: Albion. I can see them as a kind of Pre-Roman British celtic/barbarian army, with plenty of skirmishers and chariots. Also Druids, The Green Man, Witches, stone circles, dark forests and Faeries (but not 'nice' ones...). That would be VERY cool.

To be fair, The Empire and the Bretons mirror medieval militaries of the time. If they did make a new Cathay or Arabian style army it would be in the same manner, nothing culturally insensitive about it. I can't see anything remotely offensive or suspect in the two armies that do exist - so why would GW suddenly become prejudiced when it comes to a new style army?

I'm fairly sure the issue would be over-sensitive people, rather than any problems with the models and how they depict a group.


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In fact I'm pretty sure no issues like that would arise. But I'm fairly sure their won't be any new armies either.

JOHIRA wrote:
I'd love to see a Cathay army, but I want it to be pure Cathay and I want GW to do their research. I want it to be an original creation that fits into the Warhammer world but clearly echoes real Chinese history. I do not want to see kung-fu guys in silk pajamas and hobgoblins with enormous moustaches. I'd be okay with a Nipponese army too, but frankly I start to get iffy on the subject when I start to imagine what the fans would do with it. Because eventually someone would make a Naruto army. And then next thing you know I'd be in front of a judge trying to explain why the homicide wasn't just justified, it was necessary.

Oh god, the next thing you'll want is Hollywood to actually cast Japanese actors instead of Chinese (Sayuri I'm looking at you).

JOHIRA wrote:

Vlad Von Carstien wrote:I agree if anything I am sure that it would sell in japan.

I'm skeptical. Everyone said the same thing about Tau and they don't sell particularly well here.



The chief problem I see is that westerner Warhammer fans seem to have trouble telling the difference between Cathay and Nippon, and keep wanting to lump them in as one and the same. And they aren't. And I can see Japanese and Chinese players getting quite insulted if they see thousands of years of their country's culture getting squished into their main local rival's just because westerners can't really tell the difference. It would be a bit like if some Japanese miniature company made a "white people" army composed of Empire Longswordsmen, Brettonian Knight formations, Roman legionaires, and Gaulish light chariots. And then said, "well, we want to sell well in White People-land, so white people will buy these models because they're white people!"

I'd love to see a Cathay army, but I want it to be pure Cathay and I want GW to do their research. I want it to be an original creation that fits into the Warhammer world but clearly echoes real Chinese history. I do not want to see kung-fu guys in silk pajamas and hobgoblins with enormous moustaches. I'd be okay with a Nipponese army too, but frankly I start to get iffy on the subject when I start to imagine what the fans would do with it. Because eventually someone would make a Naruto army. And then next thing you know I'd be in front of a judge trying to explain why the homicide wasn't just justified, it was necessary.

But what I'd most rather see is GW just focus on getting their existing armies done properly. I could support adding another army if their sculptors weren't tied to armies as projects and could just sculpt whatever they wanted whenever the inspiration struck. But GW doesn't release like that- they've got one chance to make an army work and then players are stuck with that for like what, 7 years? And as a current beastman player, I know quite well what we can get stuck with. No, GW, please, take things slow, do your minis right, and then if you have time before next edition, you can start thinking about a new army.

A lot of my fellow westerners are either unfamiliar with or forgetful of the fact that there is a lot of bad blood between Asian nations/ethnic groups. Japanese armies would have a hard time selling in China, Chinese armies would have a hard time selling in Japan, and some bastardized mix of ancient China and Japan into 1 army would be about as offensive to Asians as a bastardized mix of US army, Israeli special forces, and Nazi Germany would be to western culture. It's bad business pure and simple.

The 1 thing that might work is keeping the core rules for Empire and Bretonia and using those for Cathay (Chinese) and Nippon (Japanese), and releasing GW's own converted models for a Cathay style empire army and a Nippon style Bretonia army. If they caught on overseas GW could eventually make their own books, if not they could abandon the armies like they were chaos dwarves. Ow the sweet delicious tears of chaos dwarf players...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If there is going to be an aquatic race they will be able to have units of Pikemen!

don't you mean Tridents?

Nah
Well I hope there won't be any nukes in WHFB!

FacelessMage wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If there is going to be an aquatic race they will be able to have units of Pikemen!

don't you mean Tridents?

I assumed the joke was tat they'd be Pike-Men Pikemen. As in the fish, which are apparently freshwater dwellers...

Bloodwin wrote:As far as a new army goes, I've not seen anything more in the book than would usually be suggested.

Before the new rulebook ever came out, there was a white dwarf article (2009) that spoke of the upcoming 8th, and in that interview it was mentioned that fantasy is moving eastwards (also in wd when ogres came out it was said WHFB is expanding east), and there will be a new army in q4 2011/ q1 2012. It will be non asiatic in appearence, nonhuman, and something (in the line of miniatures) that has never been done before. Cathay and Nippon have been done, and are human, and are asiatic, and are a no go. Then a few months ago there were some GW web video interviews and a brief mention of a new race yet again....The rulebook then (on page 160ish) hits on the point once more. Back in 2008 at GD they had several sketches on the overhead, and there were swamp like/fish like designs.....As far as Chaos Dwarves, that is a seperate issue & it has been stated they are coming back in the next few years.....

Well in dwarf fluff the chaos dwarfs live east of the mountains of morn (or something)....

"Sea Creatures can move within any area of water on the battlefield, including rivers and even deep water that players have deemed impassable to other models, as if it were open ground. However, when out of the water they cannot march".

Just occurred to me that this, along with the pic of ships...wait I don't have the book at work...its the page with the flotilla launching onto the beach...could imply a incorporation of Man'O'War...so whilst there might not be a new race could be a new product line of true scale ships for each race...

Just a thought...

schadenfreude wrote:A lot of my fellow westerners are either unfamiliar with or forgetful of the fact that there is a lot of bad blood between Asian nations/ethnic groups. Japanese armies would have a hard time selling in China, Chinese armies would have a hard time selling in Japan, and some bastardized mix of ancient China and Japan into 1 army would be about as offensive to Asians as a bastardized mix of US army, Israeli special forces, and Nazi Germany would be to western culture. It's bad business pure and simple.

From the Japan POV, I'm not sure what people would think. On one hand, those Romance of the 3 Kingdoms games are huge. OTOH, the first model shop I ever went to here had kamikaze pilot busts for sale displayed prominently. My guess is that GW's demographic here are not raging Sinophobes, but that a Cathayan army would not sell particularly better than any other fantasy army. I don't think that GW mixing Chinese and Japanese tropes in a single army wouldn't so much offend as it would just seem silly. And not sell, because it's silly.

The more I think about it, the better of an idea Fishmen seems to be. If for no other reason than that it means someone at GW might start thinking about naval battles, and that might lead someone at forgeworld to make an extremely detailed High Elf ship model with complete rigging and so on, and that might lead to me to complete Nerdvana.


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agnosto wrote:Oh god, the next thing you'll want is Hollywood to actually cast Japanese actors instead of Chinese (Sayuri I'm looking at you).

You under-estimate my esteem for Zhang Ziyi.

JOHIRA wrote: GW might start thinking about naval battles, and that might lead someone at forgeworld to make an extremely detailed High Elf ship model with complete rigging and so on, and that might lead to me to complete Nerdvana.

GW used to do a Warhammer naval game - Man O'War - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_O%27_War_%28game%29

It was more to the Warmaster scale though-but that was because it was all metal...so I guess they could make it out of resin and true scale...and open a whole area for waaaaagh.

Going back to topic and following that thread it could be: Norse, Chaos Dwarfs or Saratosa all of whom appeared in that game as well...

...they still have a few Saratosa in the shops...http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1300200&rootCatGameStyle=

Isn't that a new/different game system rather than a new race?

Naval battles could occur without a new race.

Can't think of a current army that couldn't feasibly have a ship with the exception of Woodies.
DE's are already piratical and HE have ships.
Rats can desert them if they are sinking.
Empire would.
Undead could have ghostships
Chaos, Lizzies and beasties could have them
TK on Thor Heyerdal rafts

Chibi Bodge -Battle is correct!
Was just trying to explain the rule for sea creatures...in MOW you got sea creatures/monsters...so it wouldn't necessarily be a sea based race if you take into account the 'landing' picture...

Great, nasty fish people with semi organic war machines, but why would they rise out of the sea to war agains the land dwellers? Its just GW trying to cash in on the sponge bob square pants stuff. Shame on GW!
Besides, I think the dark elfs has already taken the estethic form of submariner life (sporting those blue-green sea dragon cloaks and even some cthulu/squid based helmet Ive seen on some character. Perhaps that new rule is to include some new beasties for the dark elves.
(and atlantis theme is out of the question, Ulthuan already is the sinking great civilization in the middle of the "atlantic")

However, that story about DE being draged under by a kraken like beast sounds like a hint at tyranid style army; in the Space wolf codex the nids are even called kraken or kraken spawn.

I do apologise for being a necromancer but I got some news, I recently talked (about 10 min ago) with a gw(I know not reliable but keep reading) staff over the phone about the SEA CREATURES RULES all I asked was
"are there any models that use this rule"

all I got as a reply was

"as of yet none"

then I asked

"any models planned"

he said

"Cant tell you" then he said "but keep a watch out, very soon" he gave a nice laugh over the phone and I said goodbye.


say what you will but I think its going too be a sea creature army of sorts - OR - a race is getting and update and getting a few sea creature models (maybe dark elves)

the reason I say its going too be an new army is because it doesn't make sense too release a rule for a single monster unless all armies are getting some kind of sea creature.


maybe an aquatic insect army (which would be very unique, not fish men but sea insects)


non the less keep a big lookout for these SEA CREATURES

So a Necro with a slight Panfo flavor?

Huh...

Yeah, we're going to have to lock this thread, due to the:

1. Thread necromancy.

2. Off-topic from the original speculated armies.