Well I used to play a few years ago (on a horrible crack server no less lol)
Anywho my brother and I used to have great adventures playing together and whatnot. And the other day I got the itch and and have been playing the free trial and now its making me realize just how much I missed thanks to that crappy server. Seriously more then half the quests were broke, ALOT of class skills were bugged and didnt work (Hell I couldnt play a hunter because almost all the skills were bugged)
Anywho, Ive been thinking of starting up a REAL account for WoW, and was just wondering what to expect. Also how much has the game changed in the last couple years?
And lastly, Im thinking about getting WoW and the burning crusade expansion, and holding off on the litch king until later, I mean itll take me forever to get high enough where Ill even need it. Anyways Im wondering can I have up to Burning Crusades and still play? Ive googled but so many people were back and forth on a yes or no.
The only thing you'll be missing if you don't get lich king is access to the death knight (have to have a lvl 55 toon to unlock it) and the northrend stuff (lvl 68). If you get it you will just wanna get the battle chest and wait until later to get the lich king stuff. I'm on gilneas if you wanna roll a horde toon.
You're kinda sorta coming in at a bad time. The next expansion is due in 4 months, give or take, and the game is experiencing the usual doldrums before a massive change. You're in for some misery not knowing the maps, dungeons and fights and are unlikely to find many groups willing to tutor you.
That said, if you do jump onboard now you could get your toons to 80 very easily by the time the expansion rolls around. Once Cataclysm hits, the Vanilla WoW world will basically be overwritten and gone forever. You'll miss the new streamlined leveling in the expansion though.
Oh, and once the expansion hits guilds tend to implode and reform, making it a good chance to jump into a raiding guild if you're interested in putting some serious time into it.
The game has changed considerably in the past couple of years. 1-60 is considerably easier than before... actually 60-70 is pretty easy too now a days. Its possible to get to max level before the next expansion but you may not get to experience a lot of the end game stuff. Do you know what roll you want to play? DPS? Tank? Healing?
Im really not sure at this moment. Ive been messing around a little bit with a hunter, since like I said the crack server I used to play on was pure garbage. But Ive been a huge fan of rogues. Infact I made one today and have been doing that. Im not sure yet gents, some days I think I want to get into WoW, and others I dont.
I got back into WoW after being away for about a year and I have to say that it's pretty awesome.
I've been rolling my old trusty 30ish warlock and a new death knight and I'm enjoying it a lot more than any game I have now.
The game has certainly sped up in terms of levelling, but the pre-Burning Crusade content is really boring since there's almost no one in any of those zones EVER.
The warlock is probably the most rewarding class because it's difficult but extremely potent and useful in later content.
If you're looking for something easy just play a rogue.
Greetz,
Mr. Self Destruct
I think your Avatar changes more then anyones on DAKKA.
Im still not sure weather or not to jump in. I used to have so much fun playing with my brother on there. It seems a bit lacking with out him as my co-pilot lol
If your getting into 40k now and trying to decide which roll to fill just bear in mind that DPS have the hardest time finding groups or spots in a raiding guild.
If you want to be truely over powered in WoW play a Paladin Tank.
My main is Catyrpelius, I'm a lvl 80 Female Dwarf Prot Paladin on Korialstrasz, I'm also Spamala a lvl 80 Female Gnome Fury Warrior, I'm also Nubnubs a lvl 80 Female Drani Death Knight. If you play on my server send me a message.
god, I JUST quit wow like 2 months ago, because it was trashing my grades at college, and I can't afford to fail out.
I had a prot/ret dual class paladin... with 5.5k+ GS in both sets.... was fun. Ret was definitely more enjoyable, 2 piece tier 10 gear was amazing, able to use divine storm every quarter second made my character a whirlwind of death and destruction, and i'd constantly hit over 10,000 damage per second against trash mobs in ICC.
it was fun, but looking back, I wish I had spent that time on either painting for warhammer, or studying.
Well the only problem with joining your server Catyrpelis, is I LOVE the horde not to mention my cousin and brother in law play on the same server, and have promised to "hook me up" Im guessing that means money or something.
A few questions though about basic WoW speak. What the hell is DPS exactly? When I played (a couple years ago) like I said it was on a horrible crack server so everything was pretty much different from real WoW. My main then though was an Ork tank, and I loved it. Right now Im messing around with a warrior class but instead of full on tank, Ive been playing with 2 handed maces as its fun smashing things.
Also what do GOOD guilds look for in a potential guildmember? I want to enjoy playing and all, asnd I wont take things super serious (I have a life after all) but I still want to have fun doing raids and such at higher lvls.
Catyrpelius wrote:....DPS have the hardest time finding groups or spots in a raiding guild.....
If you want to be truely over powered in WoW play a Paladin Tank.
See this is the main problem I find with WoW.. and some other MMorpg games... Elitism. Nothing ruins the experience, for me, of going through, making YOUR character that you think would be a cool idea, then having some "expert" come along and tell you "You build sucks, you should do it THIS way." That just leads to what is basically just another spam character. It becomes about DPS, Tanks, Heals, etc.. and less about the character classes.
Me.. I like to play non-DPS, fire-support based Hunters. Have 2 dwarf hunters with Scorpid pets, though right now my account is inactive due to finances.
DPS in wow stands for Damage per Second, its the basis for measuring all damage dealing classes. At lvl 80 DPS will vary between 2k and 10k+ depending upon class, gear and the player behind the computer.
If your starting a warrior once you get to lvl 59 you will be able to take a talent called Titans Grip which basically allows you to duel weild two handed weapons, if you want to do this, then put most of your points into the Fury tree. A fury warrior is one of the coolest looking characters in the game, but they are trickey to play and requier some specific addons to be effective.
Good guilds... this is a hard thing to give advice on as there are alot of guilds that I would consider good, but in their own ways. On one hand you have your lvling guilds which will help you lvl up. You have your casual guilds that raid occasionally and dont put to much emphasis on progression and clearing all the new content the first week it comes out. You then have your hard core raiding guilds, these guilds require a major comitment in both time and effeort, if they think your are holding them back they will get rid of you. The more laid back the guild the less they require, most guildes expect you to know your class and come prepared to raids. Most often they want all your equipment to be fully gemmed and enchanted. Most of the hard core guilds have an attendace requirement.
If you get your warrior to lvl 80 you should expect alot of people to try and talk you into tanking...If your a more laid back player I would recommend trying out a paladin, they are much less gear dependant then a Warrior.
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helgrenze wrote:
Catyrpelius wrote:....DPS have the hardest time finding groups or spots in a raiding guild.....
If you want to be truely over powered in WoW play a Paladin Tank.
See this is the main problem I find with WoW.. and some other MMorpg games... Elitism. Nothing ruins the experience, for me, of going through, making YOUR character that you think would be a cool idea, then having some "expert" come along and tell you "You build sucks, you should do it THIS way." That just leads to what is basically just another spam character. It becomes about DPS, Tanks, Heals, etc.. and less about the character classes.
Me.. I like to play non-DPS, fire-support based Hunters. Have 2 dwarf hunters with Scorpid pets, though right now my account is inactive due to finances.
It has nothing to do with elitism, any character can be good if the player behind the computer is good. Its just that in a game that constantly tries to achive balance Blizzard tends to fail more often then not, and this leads to Buffing and Nerfing of classes. Right now as it stands if you take the player out of it Protection Paladins are the hardest tanks to kill, its just the way things fall, It doesnt make any other class that can tank unplayable though.
Wow isnt like any other games, Blizzard to an extent allows you to mod your own game and run addons that track real numbers. It is entierly possible to determine what will happen to your dps, hps or survivability if you change x talents or switch out this peice of gear.
As far as people people ruining your experiance by telling you what talents to take or how to play, remember this... In a raid their are either 9 or 24 other people relying on you to do whatever job you may be speced for. If you are holding them back because of how you choose to play, is that really fair to them?
Catyrpelius wrote:As far as people people ruining your experiance by telling you what talents to take or how to play, remember this... In a raid their are either 9 or 24 other people relying on you to do whatever job you may be speced for. If you are holding them back because of how you choose to play, is that really fair to them?
Yeah... like you can't Tank with a rogue.... or DPS with a mage.... or heal with anything other than a druid or cleric....
I also play City of Heroes/Villians and get the same elitist crap suggestions.... especially with Tanks.
Elitists don't care if you play a certain style, as long as you play their way and fit the mold they feel is right for whatever class you are playing. And Bliz help you if you disagree.
I have tanked with rogues. Are they best suited for it?...no. Can it be done?... hel yeah. But try it with almost any group.... you get jumped for not playing right and then get booted.
Want real fun, try running a Gandolf-style, sword wielding mage. Get back to me when that style of mage is accepted.
The basis for tanking is NOT having high defense... its holding agro. Having high Def is beneficial but if you can't hold the agro then all that def is wasted.
I tank with rogues quite often as I can hold agro better than most warriors.
Its called play style. Elitism says that you cannot do something with a particular class "cause thats not how it's done."
Hunter with no pet.. not how it's done....
Mage with a sword... not how it's done.
Priest geared for combat... not how it's done.
Rogues tanking.... Not how it's done
Need me to go on? Just because its not the "most efficient" way to do something doesn't make it wrong. Just more challenging.
Elitists want everything pigeonholed... Priests heal, warriors/Paladins tank, Hunters Dps,
helgrenze wrote:The basis for tanking is NOT having high defense... its holding agro. Having high Def is beneficial but if you can't hold the agro then all that def is wasted.
I tank with rogues quite often as I can hold agro better than most warriors.
Its called play style. Elitism says that you cannot do something with a particular class "cause thats not how it's done."
Hunter with no pet.. not how it's done....
Mage with a sword... not how it's done.
Priest geared for combat... not how it's done.
Rogues tanking.... Not how it's done
Need me to go on? Just because its not the "most efficient" way to do something doesn't make it wrong. Just more challenging.
Elitists want everything pigeonholed... Priests heal, warriors/Paladins tank, Hunters Dps,
Same thing goes on in Guild Wars. I had this Ritualist who used Weapon of Quickening (makes spells recharge 33% faster, and I could keep it up on an entire group at the same time) to VSF (Gear farm), but hell if any group outside of my guild wanted me, "A Ritualist is nie useless outside of Frozen Soiling".... Idiots.
If your not defense capped you can receive a crushing blow, double damage from a boss that hits for 25k melee, equals insta death.
Hunter with no pet...all your doing is missing out on dps, you dont have to put any talents into any pet related abilities.
A mage with a sword, there are spell power swords out there.
If you havent played in awhile then you havent experianced any of Blizzards new bosses. There are times during certain fights where I, a tank with 55k health buffed can be one shot by a boss unless I use the right cooldowns.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Its not an instance of something cant be done, its just that it cant be done well.
yea, in blizzard's newest endgame dungeon, ICC, the one boss festergut hits for about 10,000 damage per shot. He has a buff that stacks on him that makes him do up to double damage... so the tank can take 20,000 damage shots in quick succession. If your not at 540 defense minimum, there's a chance he could do a crushing blow and land a 40,000 dmg or more shot on you... frying you.
now, my paladin had about 43,000 life unbuffed. Thats great and all, but when bosses hit for huge numbers like that, you can't really do anything about it.
Of course, if your gear is good enough, you can do some crazy things. I remember near the end, if I wanted to do some quick heroics to get badges for heirloom gear for an alt, I'd go full prot gear, use a bryntroll 2-handed axe, and ret spec, and tank through heroic-level dungeons. The ONLY time I died was when I had a healer in entirely greens who's holy light spell (paladin healer) was critical healing me for under 5k.
WoW isnt like it used to be, I can remember back in the days of Vanilla WoW when me and some buddies couldnt find a tank the hunter in the group would use his pet turtle as a tank. The game isnt like that anymore.
Yeah and you are not supposed to solo instances either.... I do it all the time. Takes time and statagy as well as some skill with the class to pull it off.
And WoW is becoming all about the Raids especially endgame, where the elitists hold sway over what plays and what doesn't.
Blizzard lately has been servicing the elite style players and mostly ignoring the roleplayers and other "fringe" elements. Thus you have people with multiple accounts that run raids and endgame content by themselves. I think the record is something like 35 accounts for a single player.
I loved WoW, even though I haven't played it in about a year and a half now. Leveling from 1-60 and experiencing it for the first time was the best part.
I don't know what's changed, I basically got to 80 and quit. But I'd say go for it!
I wouldn't go back before Cataclysm is released, but even then I don't know if I will personally go back.
If you just play it every once in a while to have a good time, its fine. Try not to get sucked into the raiding environment though, unless you like that sort of thing. I've spent(wasted) wayyyyyyy too much time with raiding over the years since WoW came out...
daedalus-templarius wrote:
Try not to get sucked into the raiding environment though, unless you like that sort of thing. I've spent(wasted) wayyyyyyy too much time with raiding over the years since WoW came out...
The problem is that much of the end content is based on raiding. After a certain level, you pretty much HAVE to do raids to get anywhere.
The problem is that much of the end content is based on raiding. After a certain level, you pretty much HAVE to do raids to get anywhere.
Exactly. One of the many reasons I quit.
If battlegrounds didn't take 20-30 minutes to get into, I might play to do that... but yea, I don't particularly want to log in to wait. I'd rather just play something else in that case.
Catyrpelius wrote:As far as people people ruining your experiance by telling you what talents to take or how to play, remember this... In a raid their are either 9 or 24 other people relying on you to do whatever job you may be speced for. If you are holding them back because of how you choose to play, is that really fair to them?
Yeah... like you can't Tank with a rogue.... or DPS with a mage.... or heal with anything other than a druid or cleric....
I also play City of Heroes/Villians and get the same elitist crap suggestions.... especially with Tanks.
Elitists don't care if you play a certain style, as long as you play their way and fit the mold they feel is right for whatever class you are playing. And Bliz help you if you disagree.
I have tanked with rogues. Are they best suited for it?...no. Can it be done?... hel yeah. But try it with almost any group.... you get jumped for not playing right and then get booted.
Want real fun, try running a Gandolf-style, sword wielding mage. Get back to me when that style of mage is accepted.
No, see, you want to play D&D online, not WoW.
You want to build a character in a way that can't be done. Can a rogue tank a raid instance? No. Can a Mage melee...ever...and be good? No.
WoW isn't the game for you, each class has its role, and depending on specialization, can fill different roles. If you're tanking as a rogue, you're an idiot. If you're meleeing with a mage, you wont get into any hard-core raiding guild.
If you consider Hunter as anything BUT a DPS class, then you don't know how to play. "Fire Support" is the same as being DPS. I think of "Fire Support" as being bad at DPS'ing and you don't want to admit it.
Catyrpelius wrote:As far as people people ruining your experiance by telling you what talents to take or how to play, remember this... In a raid their are either 9 or 24 other people relying on you to do whatever job you may be speced for. If you are holding them back because of how you choose to play, is that really fair to them?
Yeah... like you can't Tank with a rogue.... or DPS with a mage.... or heal with anything other than a druid or cleric....
I also play City of Heroes/Villians and get the same elitist crap suggestions.... especially with Tanks.
Elitists don't care if you play a certain style, as long as you play their way and fit the mold they feel is right for whatever class you are playing. And Bliz help you if you disagree.
I have tanked with rogues. Are they best suited for it?...no. Can it be done?... hel yeah. But try it with almost any group.... you get jumped for not playing right and then get booted.
Want real fun, try running a Gandolf-style, sword wielding mage. Get back to me when that style of mage is accepted.
No, see, you want to play D&D online, not WoW.
You want to build a character in a way that can't be done. Can a rogue tank a raid instance? No. Can a Mage melee...ever...and be good? No.
WoW isn't the game for you, each class has its role, and depending on specialization, can fill different roles. If you're tanking as a rogue, you're an idiot. If you're meleeing with a mage, you wont get into any hard-core raiding guild.
If you consider Hunter as anything BUT a DPS class, then you don't know how to play. "Fire Support" is the same as being DPS. I think of "Fire Support" as being bad at DPS'ing and you don't want to admit it.
Thank you for proving my point aboout ELITISM.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also.. if I wanted to play a Halfling (not a playable WoW race) mage with rogue abilities, then Yeah I would be playing my character on D&D Online.
Warrior is pretty fun to play whether dps or tanking. I used to play as a warrior. Had fun running around bashing things around when I was first starting out. Then when I started playing 60+ during Burning Crusade I did some tanking and still was able to have fun bashing things around. Warrior in PVP is kinda fun too.
In no way do you HAVE to do raids to do anything, especially now with the new dungeon finding system. Now, granted, some of these do turn it into a bit of a job, but there are plenty of things to do without needing to go on raids. Let's take a look:
Heroics/gearing up - Heroics are plenty difficult, and the game doesn't let you go into them using the dungeon finder unless you have good enough gear. This leads to...
PvP - constant battles over Wintergrasp in Northrend, and a wide selection of battlegrounds to go into and waste time in. In addition, there's always the arena, where you and some friends team up against others in fights to the death.
Achievement grinding - sure, it's boring to some, but others live for it. There are hundreds of achievements for WoW now, so you can always find something to go for. A chunk of them are for raids, but many of them are just dungeons and PvP, along with a lot of quirky ones. Plus, there's always the Explorer achievement that you can go for to discover everything out there.
Dailies - this is where it starts to feel like a job, but hey. At endgame, there are a lot of quests that can be redone once a day, from bombing runs to wrangling nether rays (in the Outlands, at least). And you can do 25 of those a day, each one giving you reputation and money.
And @helgrenze: I just want to point out that you very well can play like that if you really want to, just don't expect to do any sort of raiding like that. If you're expecting to raid, it's not elitism or how good you are at the game, it comes down to that's how the game is designed - yes, Rogues can hold aggro and with a good enough healer, yes, they can tank. But can it tank a 25 or even 10 man raid? There's no way - like honersstodnt said, bosses will quickly start being able to knock out your health in a single hit. It doesn't matter how good your healer is, or how well you can hold aggro. The healer can't heal you up from dead.
The problem you seem to have is that you want a game that has a totally open playstyle where you can play a spellslinging, sword-wielding Gandalf-esque character. Or try being a Rogue that can tank even the toughest of bosses. But World of Warcraft does not work that way. Every class has its own niche that it fills (in fact, 3 of them) and trying to go outside that box doesn't work well - the game just isn't built for it to work well, no matter how hard you try. It has nothing to do with being accepted as a good build - within the confines of the system (which you have to go with) it isn't a good build.
Locclo wrote:
It has nothing to do with being accepted as a good build - within the confines of the system (which you have to go with) it isn't a good build.
And who decides which builds are Good and which are not?
I never said tanking with a rogue was Optimal, just that it can be done.
End Game content, as far as I know, is almost ALL Raids. (The Lord of the Rings ends more as a solo than a Raid.)
Battlegrounds are also places where less than optimal builds are trashed and ignored.
Most Dailies are, in essence, Raids.
And I understand that each class has its strengths and weaknesses. But Playing a character that is not an Optimised build for their class is more challenging, to me, than playing some carbon copy of some-one else's Optimised character build of the same class. Look at any 2 characters of the same class in a raid group. Chances are the only difference is the name. If that is how the game is supposed to be played, then Blizzard should just make those builds standard and take out the character developement tool.
They are changing alot in cata. so once you get one thing down it is gone. Example: Instead of getting talent points every lvl it is every other. And the fact that alot of stuf in terms of stats will change aswell.
Locclo wrote:
It has nothing to do with being accepted as a good build - within the confines of the system (which you have to go with) it isn't a good build.
And who decides which builds are Good and which are not?
I never said tanking with a rogue was Optimal, just that it can be done.
End Game content, as far as I know, is almost ALL Raids. (The Lord of the Rings ends more as a solo than a Raid.)
Battlegrounds are also places where less than optimal builds are trashed and ignored.
Most Dailies are, in essence, Raids.
And I understand that each class has its strengths and weaknesses. But Playing a character that is not an Optimised build for their class is more challenging, to me, than playing some carbon copy of some-one else's Optimised character build of the same class. Look at any 2 characters of the same class in a raid group. Chances are the only difference is the name. If that is how the game is supposed to be played, then Blizzard should just make those builds standard and take out the character developement tool.
Nobody gives two gaks if its more challenging for you. If you're in a guild, they want you to perform to the best of your abilities depending on your gear and class. If you're not, you're dead weight when they could get someone else to replace you just like that.
It doesn't matter if a class CAN tank, a mage can tank, but he'll die a hell of a lot quicker than an actual tank class. Your point is ludicrous. As a Shaman, I can be ranged Magic DPS, a healer, or melee DPS. That's flexibility.
If I was a restoration shaman, I can either spec in healing wave, or lesser healing wave. For most of my raiding time, I went lesser healing wave.
If I was an enhancement shaman, I could either have went 2-hander or Dual-Wield.
As an Elemental Shaman.....well, I believe there is only one way to go elemental spec.
Locclo wrote:
It has nothing to do with being accepted as a good build - within the confines of the system (which you have to go with) it isn't a good build.
And who decides which builds are Good and which are not?
Nobody gives two gaks if its more challenging for you. If you're in a guild, they want you to perform to the best of your abilities depending on your gear and class. If you're not, you're dead weight when they could get someone else to replace you just like that.
It doesn't matter if a class CAN tank, a mage can tank, but he'll die a hell of a lot quicker than an actual tank class. Your point is ludicrous. As a Shaman, I can be ranged Magic DPS, a healer, or melee DPS. That's flexibility.
If I was a restoration shaman, I can either spec in healing wave, or lesser healing wave. For most of my raiding time, I went lesser healing wave.
If I was an enhancement shaman, I could either have went 2-hander or Dual-Wield.
As an Elemental Shaman.....well, I believe there is only one way to go elemental spec.
Again proving the point about elitism within the community.
I honestly don't CARE about what build YOU think is optimal. If I am online playing MY character, MY WAY, your build strat means nothing to me.... because I am paying for MY account, not you. And that is my point, why should my character, on my account, paid for with my money, have to be a clone of your build?
If I wanted to play a cookie cutter character I would be playing Team Fortress2.
Whatever, I'd say the reason you complain about how endgame is dominated by raiding is because you can never get into a raid, because you play your class wrong, such as a rogue as a protection warrior.
L2P, I'm out of this thread, its like arguing with Alairos.
helgrenze, noone forces you to play an optimal build. If you want to join a raiding guild, you will need to conform to their expectations as it is their guild that they formed using their time on their accounts that they payed for.
A melee mage cannot pull a decent amount of DPS. Cloth gear does not carry the correct stats for it and mages do not have many/any abilities that complement that playstyle. How is it elitism if a guild would prefer someonce who could far better suit the needs of the guild?
helgrenze wrote:And who decides which builds are Good and which are not?
The system does. If arcane build X brings in more DPS than any other mage build than it is undeniably the best build for doing damage (given a perfect environment of course, circumstances may make another build superior, but the point that builds can be seen to be more effective for the purpose of doing damage or healing or tanking still stands).
@helgrenze: Yes your rogue can tank but my prot warrior can do it better. Yes my prot warrior can do damage but your rogue can probably do 5-10x more. It's the way the game is designed, not elitism as you keep trying to say. Yes if your good enough it's possible for things to work when they shoudln't have but there is still a limit to that. Find a group that love doing silly things (I play a cow that flys a helicopter so I know silly) and just enjoy it. The games mechanics will stop you from surviving end game raids though, not the other players.
you can play your character and do your build however you want, just don't expect to live in battlegrounds, or ever get into a raid.
If you don't care about those things, then you'd be fine. I mean, some people might bitch at you in the random dungeon finder if you do 500dps, but hey, its not like they can kick... nevermind, they can actually kick you out of a dungeon now.
So basically, you'd be playing WoW solo, which alot of people do. Personally, I can't stand playing MMOs by myself, but that's just me.
Its not really elitism. Each class has a role it can perform, sometimes several. If you choose a class, but don't want to do that role, you're not really playing the class correctly. A deathknight can spam death coils, but he isn't really a ranged mage type caster dps. A ret paladin can hit things really hard, but can't really heal much at all. Nowadays, it is quite cookie-cutter, sorry. I mean, at least it was when i was playing.
It may be your $15 but that is balanced against your parties $75. As pointed out there is nothing forcing anyone into an optimal build but you also have to deal with the consequences of doing so. You can't be both sub-par and sought after. Of course if you are having fun it doesn't really matter now does it?
Thing is, everyone has an idea of how they want to play, what character they want to be. But then people within the game, other players who have some app that allows them to see your build, comment on how you did it wrong and need to redo it "right", meaning their way.
Think of your WH/40k army... is it your creation or some netizens "Ideal" list?
You can actually inspect people and see their talent builds now(or at least could when I quit).
And honestly, most people aren't doing it to be dicks. They're basing it off the assumption that you don't really know what you're doing and are trying to be helpful. They see your gear, or see the damage you're putting out and try to steer you towards bettering yourself.
To give an example:
I lost count how many times people tried to tell me that my Hunter's PvP build was "awful", even though it was perfectly synergized with my Feral Druid partner, or my Rogue's HfB build that worked amazingly alongside that same partner.
Once they then faced us in an Arena or battlegrounds, it immediately went from "God, your talents are awful considering your gear" to "Holy hell, that's ridiculously overpowered."
I have similar experiences in CoH.... People always telling me my tanker is done "wrong".. until they watch me stand there and tarpit a doorway or huge mob.
The point I was making is the "experts" want you to have the build they say is best.. not the one you found works best for your style/group.
The build that the "experts" say is best...usually is the one that will work best for your style/group.
My point was that there's a difference between someone who's done testing with various builds and has built their character to work completely with a partner who has a complimentary build...and someone who just doesn't want to take any advice.
There certainly are crazy little things you can exploit. I play a warrior myself, and with a mix of arms and protection talents you can swing with your Revenge attack once a second in Defensive Stance, as long as you're hitting with blocks.
That said, I have a raid tanking build that is quite standard, and an Arms raid pvp build that does an exceptional amount of single-target dps and threat and is nothing out of the ordinary. People - even one of the senior warriors in my raiding guild - tell me off for even trying to take an Arms warrior into a raid because Fury warriors get more reliable area-of-effect dps. I can gladly tell those people that my mere inclusion in the group guarantees +6% damage against my target and +30% to all bleed damage. In the endgame, big numbers are all that matters but there are a few ways to influence these in such small ways that they can be hard to appreciate. Having a Fury warrior nearby ups my criticals by 5% too, so I prefer having one alongside me.
I don't spend much time screwing around, so it's hard to say, but you can just put up with it I s'pose. I'd like to get more into the RP aspects of so-called RPGs, but there just aren't enough interested people, so it's a desired aspect of games in general I can't expect to be fulfilled. Playing UT3 online is about the same.
Seriously folks, I didnt start this thread to start a bitch fest. If I wanted that Id spend the day with my mother in law. Seriously grow up and shut up. I dont care if your feelings have been hurt from playing WoW, Or you want to insult the guy that cant play a class right. I just wanted to have a nice discussion about WoW
Basically, Im going through with getting the game upto Burning Crusades at first. I figured, it will take me some time to get to 70, so going past 70 can wait until later for the wrath of the lich king and cataclysm once that comes out. Im fairly certain Im going to build a furry warrior as my main. I was starting to dip into that a bit with the free trial and was really digging it. The first time I played WoW (like 2 years ago? JUST before Litch King came out) I played a hardcore tank warrior and had alot of fun with that. So itll be similar, but Ill be like an Angry Marine but without power armor lol. The thought of swinging around 2, 2 handed weapons (titans grip) and smashing things just makes me excited.
What race (Horde gentlemen, its the only way to go) is best for that role? I was really impressed with the Tauren, because the size is friggin HUGE, but Ive heard Orcs are the best?
Also my brother is going to be getting WoW as well, so I will at least have my right hand man playing with me. Hes thinking a mage or something. So I thought we would make a good team, a mage and a semi tank/super killer. Sure the healing wont be there, but Im hoping we will just strait kill things before it comes to that.
Taurens are best for Druid or Hunter class, with the bonus to Herbalism and access to guns.
Undead do well in rogue and warrior due to the resist fear, sleep and charm and canabalism. They also get better swim times which can help with some of the Barrens quest sets.
Orcs are also good with warrior with the enrage and resist stuns, and hunter with added pet damage.
Trolls are probably the worst for warrior class though.
Yea I honestly might just go with Orcs for the furry warrior. I love Orcs anyways (a duh ) and their racials are pretty good. The only advantage I really see with a Tauren is a smidge more hitpoints (or so Ive heard) and their stomp. But I almost never found the stomp to be useful. Maybe if I was lucky enough to use it to find a stealthed rogue in a PVP, but I doubt it.
Anywho I guess Im going to go buy it today. So hurray for me!
Wooches. Since your going horde if you wan't a server to goof off on your welcome on Gilneas. I can use my 80 to help you with instances and my alts to run about with ya sometimes. Orc is great for fury warrior but I love the extra 5% hp taurens get with tanking.
Oh and on a side note for those who may not have been following all the Cata info.
If there is anywhere you like in the old world take those shots soon, as when Cata hits the world changes for everyone, not just those who buy Cata.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Not tempted by either of the new races King?
Oh and on a side note for those who may not have been following all the Cata info.
If there is anywhere you like in the old world take those shots soon, as when Cata hits the world changes for everyone, not just those who buy Cata.
The only reason im buying cata is so i can use my flying mount in the old world to go to that air strip above ironforge....
Im pretty excited to see how the world will look post cata. And no not really interested by the blood elves or the drenai, specially the latter. Once I buy the new expansion when it comes out Im thinking of doing a Goblin for sure.
Just installed it (took for ever) but the bitch part is, I was told I didnt need to buy a subscription card to play the first month. Boy was that person wrong. I get 30days free yes, but without a card I cant play it
And the wife has the credit card, and NATURALLY my phone isnt excepted by that phone and pay thing. So basically Im sitting here with an icon on my desktop laughing at me. HURRAY!
I went back to WOW a little while ago, it was fun seeing the new stuff but after that it was just the same thing all over. Level up all by yourself, get some new toys, see some cool looking monsters. Then you're maxed and need to raid to advance more, so you join a raid guild and get ignored unless someone "important" in the guild needs something from you, or you can join a friendly guild and feel like you're being ignored because there's never more than 3 members on at a time.
The game started out great when it was new, now you just get rewarded for having no life and playing 6 hours a day. I'd rather have no life and paint models instead
Had a good laugh yesterday...
My roommate is a huge WoW fan. He belongs to one of the bigger raid guilds. So, they get a raid together, everyone is on Vox, and spend the next 5 hours on this raid. What it actually was... 4 hours, 50 minutes of the raid leader telling everyone how to play and what to do, and 10 minutes of actual game play.
Obviously you missed the point of this thread, I didnt start it to attract haters. Congrats, you hate WoW, cool story bro. I started this thread so I can learn things, and generally give my self the push to get into playing for real (which I have been, and damn Im not regretting it)
So if you dont have anything useful to add to the post, then please refrain from posting in it
Well, I'm not a WoW fan either, but my reasons for this aren't exactly that much related to game itself. Game wise it's fun and all.
But I can't overlook the rape of all the Lore built up in previous games etc. It just went, look, here are some of the most powerfull entities this story has ever known, capable of owning the entire world, now 40 nameless gimps can kill him.
And Shaman fething suck, they aren't shaman at all. When did shaman become chainmail wearing beatsticks instead of potion and staff wielding nutcases, I seem to have missed that part of the story.
Soladrin wrote:Well, I'm not a WoW fan either, but my reasons for this aren't exactly that much related to game itself. Game wise it's fun and all.
But I can't overlook the rape of all the Lore built up in previous games etc. It just went, look, here are some of the most powerfull entities this story has ever known, capable of owning the entire world, now 40 nameless gimps can kill him.
And Shaman fething suck, they aren't shaman at all. When did shaman become chainmail wearing beatsticks instead of potion and staff wielding nutcases, I seem to have missed that part of the story.
Oh, and no playable troll witchdoctor = fail.
I agree on the witch doctor TBH. I mean whats more voodoo then that? Sure it isnt a perfect game, I dare you to find one, but there is alot of fun in this game. I just wish EVERYTHING was geared to end game. Its like your totally useless/ignored until you get up there.
Ive never played warcraft, though I had a friend that was pretty into it. He said it was just awesome. It must be, they even had a europop/techno song writeen about it. The video is a bit weird
Ive never played WoW past the 10 day free trial, which i thought was ok. Only thing that confused me to no end, was how on earth are undead sided with orcs, and trolls, and tauran? Didn't make much sense to me >.>
Not saying that i dont like it (i made an undead warrior) but it felt odd. Either way, i doubt i'd get the game, purely as stated earlier, the idea of mercing Wc3's biggest and baddest makes me feel sad inside, and slightly nerdy.
I mean, take the Lich King. In WC3, your with him from the beginning, you know? starting as a good guy, and slowly becoming evil. Then, your him as the bad guy, running around killing people an being very evil. Then in the expansion, your with him again, but he's portrayed as the innocent victim (albeit an evil innocent victim). He's the real force behind alot of WC3, and then, then, some group of 25 people (or 10, iv'e heard) saunter in, and kill him! ive seen the ending clip, and i would have shed a single tear, if i could :( I nurtured that man, from level 1, all the way to level 10, carefully choosing items when they dropped for maximum use, and now, now he's reduced to an end of level boss, who gets upsurped by some no name to looks like the avatar of khaine but without the pzazz.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGEEE
Ok. Now thats over, i'd say that it was surprisingly fun 10 days, even if it did take one of those days installing the updates.
On the note of races being allied to each other, well...try not to think of the Undead as purely undead. The playable race is the Forsaken, the undead who split off from Arthas in the Undead campaign of WC3: Frozen Throne. Since the Alliance races are mainly racist bastards, the Forsaken joined with the more tolerable Horde.
(And if you don't believe me, read some of the WoW novels - in particular, Lord of the Clans and Of Blood and Honor.)
Locclo wrote:On the note of races being allied to each other, well...try not to think of the Undead as purely undead. The playable race are the lame undead.
Lame undead? Cmon the undead are pretty cool man....I mean you can make...their.....er.... lower jaws not be there! OH And they can breath under water for along time....... Id take that over many racials...
I'm resubbing with my brother, and a few of my friends w/ the Recruit-a-Friend thing, as my friend is playing his account.
I'm going to start playing my 80 hunter to get some of his gear up from Naxx and Malygos gear before Cataclysm, while I'll be leveling a new mage with the Recruit-a-Friend XP.
TBH, I love the Goblin Racials, but I think Worgen getting a racial 6 second sprint is pretty IMBA.
Anyways, we'll be transferring to Ysondre (PVP) which is a new server.
Joinin Wow a few months ago was pretty weird for me, as it was different from some of the other MMOs i had played.
It is very enjoyable till lvl 60-80 i say or more 70-80 coz once you hit that level you end up doing the same instances over and over and over just for the xp and to break up questing. (guess you could say is the painting of WH/40K models to the gaming )
At 80 it gets worse, sure the raids look good and are challenging but once you get used to it they become easy and somewhat boring.
I presume thats why people make other characters to play, to give a bit more variety. Ill admit i love my Blood Elf Retributuin Paladin, but he does get boring so i play my hunter/mage for a nice change.
Cata im lookin forward to, not just because of the end game stuff but ill be taking a fresh character(Goblin Rogue) through the broken world of Azeroth to see how much it has changed.
Atm my WoW and 40K Tau army are on hold due to lack of cash, so until then im stuck with Modern Warfare 2(Till Xbox Gold runs out) and The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion on Xbox 360
I did my research (and chatted with a mate who does WoW) and from what i gathered, not only did ICC come out in sections, making it impossible to do all in one night, but with the best possible gear you could have got from toc ( apparently its a raid, i may have slightly switched off at this point) it would be impossible to actually kill some of the difficult bosses in ICC.
I do love to rain on peoples parades.
In other news, I got convinced by said friend and decided to buy a 2 month game time pass. So far, am unimpressed by the new fangled changes. Why are the elves on the side of the orcs? /confused
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ghosty wrote:I did my research (and chatted with a mate who does WoW) and from what i gathered, not only did ICC come out in sections, making it impossible to do all in one night, but with the best possible gear you could have got from toc ( apparently its a raid, i may have slightly switched off at this point) it would be impossible to actually kill some of the difficult bosses in ICC.
I do love to rain on peoples parades.
In other news, I got convinced by said friend and decided to buy a 2 month game time pass. So far, am unimpressed by the new fangled changes. Why are the elves on the side of the orcs? /confused
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In the Frozen Throne, Kael'thas basically denounced the entire Alliance and left to the Outlands to join the Burning Legion. The current-day Blood Elves, who were no longer allies to the Alliance, joined up with the Horde/Forsaken to try and find him again.
As for Ahn'Qiraj, all I know is that it's basically a set of two raids from classic WoW dealing with the Silithids.
I just recently got back into WoW, somehow actually staying into it this time. About every other time, I'd play for a little bit, then just putter out, having noone to really do dungeons/PvP/etc. with. This time though, a friend managed to rope me back in and I've surprisingly been having a great time with it. Just waiting for Cata though, any time I have the choice to play a Goblin I'm all over that.
ghosty wrote:I did my research (and chatted with a mate who does WoW) and from what i gathered, not only did ICC come out in sections, making it impossible to do all in one night, but with the best possible gear you could have got from toc ( apparently its a raid, i may have slightly switched off at this point) it would be impossible to actually kill some of the difficult bosses in ICC.
I do love to rain on peoples parades.
In other news, I got convinced by said friend and decided to buy a 2 month game time pass. So far, am unimpressed by the new fangled changes. Why are the elves on the side of the orcs? /confused
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It was released in sections, we oneshot the first wing (first 4 bosses), the first time we set foot in there. When i said all bosses, i meant all available at the time.
And the best gear from TotGC was actually barely lower Ilvl then the stuff from ICC (non hardmode), so you could easily compete with the hardest bosses in the initial release of ICC.
So next time you do your research, make sure its right. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Well, you got me there shivanangel, your right, I haven't played the game to the degree where I can spot the subtle differences between equipment and stuff. I just assumed the several massive boosts of strength and armour and stuff meant it was better.I still don't get hit rating and armour penetration and many things about the game, so of course it makes very little sense to me.
You could have been a bit better at specifying what you meant though. I mean, from your comment, it sounded like someone trying to be an internet tough guy using the medium of an online game. If I am wrong, then I apologise.
And if no one does it any more, why is it still in the game?
KingCracker wrote:I too really want to make a Gobo rogue. Im trying hard to get my main upto 80 in time.
it took me roughly 12 days (clocked game time not 12 days in a row) to reach lvl 80, which was over a few months. so yopu should reach level 80 before the new expansion comes out
note: type "/played" to find out how much time uv clocked on Wow (added just incase you didnt know)
Problem right now though, is my brother inlaw installed some thing that puts addons to the game, and wouldnt ya know it, my account got hacked......twice. I found out just this morning that I had a keylogger on my PC. So All that crap went bye bye, and Im the proud owner of 2 key logger programs lol (I wanted to be sure)
So my wife ordered an authenticator the first time so in a few days we will have that. I decided we shouldnt mess around with WoW just incase. Even though I used 2 keylogger programs, a malware and virus scanner I still want to be sure. Luckily they didnt take my gold OR gear both times ( I either suck that bad, or Im just lucky) Im getting sick of having my account in lockdown waiting to get ahold of someone to get everything strait. I wrote blizz and all that this morning, since I cant seem to get through for the life of me right now, but once I get my authenticator Im going full tilt to get everything back and running.
Im rocking though on the flip side. Im almost 50 (DAMN HACKERS!) so Im thinking I can cram to get the last 30 lvls.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think Blizz might be taking a little off the sides from the "gold farmers" and hackers and the like. It just seems to easy to hack peoples stuff. I mean now Im pretty much to scared to play without an authenticator. Sure its only $6 but times that by a few hundred thousands, and youll see what I mean. Sides sometimes Ill see the same farmers in main cities for DAYS before they disappear, yet my account gets shut down in like 5-10 minutes of that.
I'm pretty convinced the problem has become worse since the account info swiched to emails. Mainly as many of us have one main email and that became our WoW login.
It's not that hard to track down folks emails if you are trying to find new victims, especially if you are on say facebook and note you play WoW there as well.
I had my first attempted hack this year, but my authenticator stopped it dead. No keylogger on my system either which was bizarre.
One of the first things I did after that, was create a new mail address and made that my new WoW account email.
Since then I've had at least one WoW phising attempt daily on my old WoW email (which I still use as my main email) and my new one remains clean.
in the few months iv been playin all ive ever had is the whispers ingame saying "go to this site for free game time", i will admit my fb and wow emails are the same but iv got my email hidden so they cant get it via that
I had my account hacked as well... which is funny because I hadn't played in several months. To make things even better, The hacker put an authenticator on my account. First I knew of it? When Blizzard sent me an e-mail telling me my account was frozen due to "selling ingame (stuff) for real money". No Keylogger, no phishing, the only place they could have gotten my info was through Blizzard.
Tin hat that one.
ShivanAngel wrote:Blizzard doesnt make any money off the authenticators.
the 6 dollars is at cost with shipping.
So the tin foil hat argument that they let hackers get away with it to sell authenticators is false.
Your trying to tell me that a company will sell something for exactly what THEY paid for it just because its the right thing to do? You need to remove innocent goggles buddy. Im not saying it cost them 5 cents to make so its all profit, but Im sure it cost half ish. so lets say $3 per unit of profit? Thats still alot of cashola man.
Im saying its totally plausible to say they are probably taking a few bucks to allow these types a little more leeway then they should. And yea the account password change system is a serious joke. Im not bashing WoW or Blizz, because Im very happy with the game and the support they have is pretty top notch. BUT Ive had my password changed TWICE without my consent. All I get in my email is a HEY someone changed your password, if it wasnt you, then enjoy loosing everything youve worked on getting for 2 weeks lol
BTW buy our authenticator. It stops that stuff from......you know.....happening?
ull find that people (mostly vanilla players (played from 1st release)) will run "old school" raids for nostalgia, so thts why they are kept in
In addition, raids are in general more interesting than regular dungeons. While I admit that Blizz is really pushing for bosses that require strategy (Wrath has very few bosses that are 'simple' enough to just tank & spank) the raids, even old ones, are where they shine. I admit I haven't done much in terms of old-school raiding (I've done some Burning Crusade ones) but the Twins fight in AQ40 is brilliant - and completely irritating if the group doesn't know what they're doing.
ull find that people (mostly vanilla players (played from 1st release)) will run "old school" raids for nostalgia, so thts why they are kept in
In addition, raids are in general more interesting than regular dungeons. While I admit that Blizz is really pushing for bosses that require strategy (Wrath has very few bosses that are 'simple' enough to just tank & spank) the raids, even old ones, are where they shine. I admit I haven't done much in terms of old-school raiding (I've done some Burning Crusade ones) but the Twins fight in AQ40 is brilliant - and completely irritating if the group doesn't know what they're doing.
Yea I know what you mean, Iv ran a few of the older rainds and wow even on a level 80 character they can be somewhat tough.... especially that twin fight >.>
I havnt done a raid yet. I really want too, but I know Ill piss a few people off the first few tries, again since Ive never done them. I have to tell people in the dungeon groups to keep me in the loop, because I dont do them from sun up to sun down. So basically I get to follow someone util they say ok tank attack them lol
KingCracker wrote:I havnt done a raid yet. I really want too, but I know Ill piss a few people off the first few tries, again since Ive never done them. I have to tell people in the dungeon groups to keep me in the loop, because I dont do them from sun up to sun down. So basically I get to follow someone util they say ok tank attack them lol
All i can suggest for this is find a guild who casually raids, and go a DPS spec (if possible) to get used to the raid itself, i can almost guarantee you will not get into a raid group if ur tanking/healing and say you dont know the raid.
Also, ask the raid leader if you can roll on tank/healing gear, even tho you are a DPS spec as you want to tank the raid in the future.
Thats my advice anyway, can't say it works from experience as Iv always used a DPS spec and dont plan on tanking/healing with my only lvl 80 atmlol.
No Im in a pretty good guild with my brother inlaw. They have about elevendy billion 80s and are all pretty cool. And I told them when Im up there, they have to teach me the art and crafts of raiding! So I know Ill be taught, because they raid ALL THE TIME and usually crush them. So Im being taught by the best.
On a side note, I still love the Leeroy video, its so friggin funny
Show up
Press buttons
Do what your raid announcer addon tells you
Collect loot
Oh yea, its just that easy isnt.
Catyrpelius wrote:
Samus_aran115 wrote:I'd say go for it...Play a night elf warrior too
All the cool kids play Female Gnome Fury Warriors with pink pigtails. I wish I had the time and inclination to get Spamala some good gear
I hate the Alliance side. Not my cup o tea, the people that play them seem to get on my nerves for some reason. But making a tank gnome (or bogo soon) just looks hilarious to me. They are like walking floor safes
johnscott10 wrote:The concept of the tank fighting something that could easily swallow them whole is pretty lolable, E.g Dwarf/Gnome(Soon Goblins) tanking Onyxia.
However as funny that is id never be tanking any raid as i suck at it
Tell me about it...
Back when Naxx was big I used to run a Gnome Death Knight tank and did OS.
Gigantic dragon of terror vs. 3 foot armored gnome.
I watched a PVP of an 80 fury gnome and I couldnt help laughing it was just hilarious. The guy won too so that just added to it. But just looking at them you cant help it. Again, walking floor safe
not to mention my cousin and brother in law play on the same server, and have promised to "hook me up" Im guessing that means money or something. 
