Hello guys,

We have a bunch of great things to talk about.

1. The new P.A.C.K. 432 is now in stock and ready to ship. We have changed the zipper for easy access and also updated the handle to be more rugged.

Check it out here.
http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?item=8&catid=79&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D79

2. The new P.A.C.K. 1520 XL is up for pre-order. We again redesigned the bag to have wheels, a pull handle, and space for your X-Board.
All features we felt the big guy should have.

Check it out here.
http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?item=9&catid=81&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D81

3. For the guys that have the old 1520 we now offer a very sturdy pull cart that attaches to the bag so you can get the feature of pulling the bag instead of always using it as a back pack.

Check it out here.
http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?item=314&catid=96&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D96

4. The Malifaux bag is also available for Pre-Order and will ship next month.

Check it out here.
http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?item=313&catid=95&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D95

5. Lastly we have the all new P.A.C.K. PLUS. This new addition to the Battle Foam Family offers the gamer the option to stack as many PLUS bags together as they need. You can use them as a space saver in the closet or you can stack a few on your new 1520 XL or old 1520. At only $55.00 it allows for limitless growth without breaking the bank.

Check it out here.
http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?item=312&catid=94&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D94

And one last bit of green goodness. The Baggy's Brigade is just about to launch. We are testing the site for bugs right now and will have an official posting by the end of the weekend. Get ready for one of the cooler things to hit table top wargaming in some time. Best of all, its free.

Enjoy.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Cool beans, Romeo.

Quick question - it looks like stacking two Pluses should result in an object about the same size (and with about the same capacity) as the 720; that about right?

kinda close. The 720 fits about 12.5 inches of foam. The Plus bags each fit only 6 inches that totals 12. That may not seem like much but in a 720 you can get 11 one inch trays and in 2 stacked Plus bags only 10. That can mean 72 troops would not have a home. What you could do is zip a Plus onto the bottom of the 720 if you wanted to have a bit more space.

Romeo

Once again, top notch and impressive products from Battle Foam.
You guys have done it again, Romeo. I may not be a customer (yet), but I'm definitely a fan!


Eric

These look like more very nice bags.

I recently bought a Pack 720 for my FOW army, and the bag will carry way more stuff than the old trays I used for a different bag system.

My only concern is that there is a lot of stress placed on the fabric of the top of the bag and the zipper when you use the top handle to carry it. As the bag gets fuller, and heavier, I worry that the fabric will tear.

Maybe the answer would be to design a short carrying strap that goes from the 2 metal rings on the side instead of the shoulder strap?

Is the plus able to attach itself between the two halves of the old 1520?

How much is the 1520 cart be?

1) Very nice... Very, Very nice.

2) Damn you for changing the PACK 432. I have the original and now want the front opening feature.

Hi guys,

Oni - sorry buddy but we had to do it. The 432 is still a great bag but some customers wanted a different loading option. Think X-Box vs Slim X-Box. Still the same goodness but with a different look. (Ok and maybe a bit more hard drive space)

Cyporiean - Yes, the Plus bags can attach to everyone of our bags except the Warmachine and Hordes. We have something special for those coming out soon.

hoosierclyde - Do not worry about the weight issue. We have tested the bags to hold up to 150 LBS without problems. (Don't try that at home). Also remember that if your bag breaks because of manufacturing defects we replace it for life. Part of our 100% customer satisfaction policy.

MagickalMemories - What are you waiting for buddy? Maybe the customer appreciation sale on every Black Friday will push you over the hill. We hope you join us.


Romeo

Am I correct that the "original" 1520's are no longer produced, and the top off it fits on the new Xl's?

Thanks...

Man, these are awesome. The PACK pluses are pure win. Eventually, I'll have enough skrilla to buy a bag to hold my huge IG army.

TobyDog - Yes, you are correct. The old version of the 1520 are available until supplies last. Retailers and some online stores still have them so get yours while they last.

Also you are correct that the top of the older 1520 will zip onto the top of the current 1520 XL.

Romeo

The new PACK 1520 says that it holds 18" of foam.

The old PACK 1520 holds 22" of foam.

Are we missing something here or is the PACK 1520 holding less now? Is it a mistype?

Dashofpepper wrote:The new PACK 1520 says that it holds 18" of foam.

The old PACK 1520 holds 22" of foam.

Are we missing something here or is the PACK 1520 holding less now? Is it a mistype?

good catch there. it doesn't look like a mistype. the dimensions of the old 1520 are


Bag Dimensions: 16W X 12L X 22H (The top section of bag will hold 8 inches of foam and the bottom section with hold 14 inches.)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZSHSxBVpVXcJ:battlefoam.com/catalog.php%3Fitem%3D9+battlefoam+1520&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us



while the new one is

Bag Dimensions: 16W X 12L X 18H
http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?item=9&catid=81&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D81


while the additional outside pockets might be nice (as well as the wheels), it is misleading to call it the 1520 XL when it's actually SMALLER than the 1520. shouldn't the number go down as the case now holds less and the number was supposed to be related to the points or amount of figs it holds?

We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Sgt Diablo wrote: I have yet to meet someone that actually put the exact number of figs the bags hold into the bags.

I guess you can say we are "keeping it old school"

Romeo

I don't have 1,520 infantry models to put into a PACK 1520, but I *do* have a bunch of transports, which completely fills up my PACK 1520 up to 22" with one of the 1" troop trays not being full. 4" of foam is a big deal. I'm not talking about 5,000+ points of army.....we're talking about my PACK 1520 being 22" of models (mostly vehicles) at 2,000 points. At 18", I can no longer fit a tournament army into a PACK 1520.

Do you plan on still selling the old ones? I'm not concerned about you taking off $30, I'm concerned about my armies no longer fitting into your carrying case; the only reason I haven't bought another one (for my orks) is because I was waiting for something more convenient than backpack straps for carrying....and so now we have wheels, but the case isn't big enough to hold an army anymore?

Keep in mind that this is a mechanized world. I didn't even get the 4" foam cutouts, I got the 3" ones so that I could scrimp and fit more in there.....at 18" of foam, with 4 raiders per tray, at 1850+ I have 13 vehicles. I have 14 raider spots, and the last one holds my dice cup, tape measure, tac template....
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Now my Ork army is much bigger than my Dark Eldar army, and this has just gone from "Pack my orks away" to "Pack a tournament list into my PACK1520."

My original purchase was fun in that I provided the models I had, the trays I'd need for it, but now I have to use a series of rectangles and circles on the custom tray maker to create my own trays (so says the woman I spoke to on the phone when I was looking into buying my second PACK 1520).

Rambling now, but really disappointed in the new format.


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Sgt Diablo wrote:

Lastly the name was more for tradition then function.

You may want to rename it if it no longer holds 1520 models, or someone is going to come along sooner or later and hit you for misrepresentation. I know you guys have been through the legal thrasher lately, and this is a pink elephant.

Imagine buying a brand new Mustang 5.0 GT V8 - $30,000 for a rumbling 8 cylinders of pure power.

Your wife wants one, so you go back to the dealer and buy a second Mustang 5.0 GT V8. Its $27,000 now...nice! And you discover later that its only a V6. WTF?!?? Why are they still calling it a V8 then? Bam: Lawsuit, false labeling, false advertising, misrepresentation.

Any chance of getting more then 1 sale a year? I took advantage of the BF sale last year and was pleased with it (tho the DE get stuck in the bottome of the tray above it alot, lol) and would like to get some for my marines, but won't be able to afford a 1520 with foam, and cant slowly build it because of shipping. Bad time of year to get something for ones self as well, as most of my extra money is going to gifts for others.
Still planning on a 720 as a self birthday present, but that will only cover 4 of the 20+ trays I could use.

well, the new design of the 1520, if its $30 cheaper... just buy a 1520XL, and then buy a PLUS pack to attach to the top of it. You end up paying $325, but you get 24" of foam for models, plus the carrying handle and extra pockets the 1520XL offers.

1520 is not a specific promise of size, its just a number of models you can fit in it. And because models vary in size, its not really mis-representation, because you can probably fit 1520 grots into the new one easily.

Please put up video's of these bags on your site and youtube. I loved those vids and those are what made me really interested in Battlefoam.

B.D.

We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Haven't you forgotten to mention something?

Battle Foam Buys 40K Radio
From Spencer!

For the past few weeks many rumors have been spread about 40k Radio and Battle Foam partnering up. Well, the facts are in and the good news can be shared. Battle Foam LLC has reached an agreement with Spencer Harding to buy the show. Battle Foam LLC is the new owner of 40K Radio LLC. 40K Radio has been registered as a new Arizona based company and will be run by the good folks at Battle Foam. Look for amazing new content and two great hosts named George Miller and Rik Massei. Stayed in touch with all the latest news on www.40kradio.com.

On second thought, this might deserve a new thread.

Sgt Diablo wrote:MagickalMemories - What are you waiting for buddy? Maybe the customer appreciation sale on every Black Friday will push you over the hill. We hope you join us.

Mostly? Need.
Right now, I just don't *need* it. I will, eventually, though... and that's when I'll swoop in like a hawk! : )
Also, with my temporarily limited space (Man-cave is currently under construction), the footprint of the 1520 (which is what I'll get) is too much right now

I will have a need for that Malifaux bag soon, though. So, I'll be grabbing up one of those eventually.

Sgt Diablo wrote:Dashofpepper - Come on, really. Would people really look at the number of the bag but not look at the size of the bag first.

Sadly, yes. Yes, they would, Buddy.
There are also plenty of *those* out there who would do their best to cause you trouble for it.
Of course, regardless of size, if there's away it'll hold those 1520 (which I believe you stated, based on that "1680" you posted), you're in the clear. Since 1520 refers to the # of minis it holds and not the physical size of the pack.

Eric

Sgt Diablo wrote:Dashofpepper - Come on, really. Would people really look at the number of the bag but not look at the size of the bag first. We have made trays for people that hold 125 troops per tray.

Now these troops are standing but they still fit. We can get 1680 of those inside the 1520 XL and we have for a few customers. I guess they should look at us mis-representing them because we gave them more for their money then they planned.

People can find fault with anything in life but if we all look at the good then maybe our day would be brighter.

Also, the XL is a catch all. XL means you can go extra large with more bags zipped on. So people actually get more bang for their money. Grap a Plus for your orks and you can fit 2 more inches then before. You win and you get to pull the bag, not put it on your shoulders.

Romeo

I know how big a tray you all make ...2x 64 Termie trays for my pack max.....lol made me giddy when I opened it up the first time.

TobyDog, - Post pictures, post pictures. I remember that load out. It was crazy. I almost kept your case because it was so cool.

Romeo

Triple AAAARRRGGGHHH! I just got my P.A.C.K. 1520 and I love it. It holds all my army with some room left over. BUT, had I known this was coming out....I would have waited and purchased the new one for the very reasons you made it. The wheels, Collapsable handle, and one larger pocket.

I know how this stuff works but I was disappointed that You weren't able to let shoppers know something new was coming out as I was placing the order. this would have left the decision up to me whether I wanted to wait and see what the changes were or make my purchase. Even something as small as, "we are working on a new P.A.C.K. 1520. Would you like to delay your purchase?"

Happy but disappointed.

We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

I'm not sure people literally expect the new 1520 to actually hold that many models, but I think most people would expect the new 1520 to hold as many models as the old one, which unless I've missed something it won't, due to having less foam.

I already have a 1520 that I love, so I don't' have a dog in the hunt, but Id' go with a new name for a bag that really has nothing in common with the old 1520 other than being the biggest in the range.

I'm with dash: I fill my current 1520, and I'm not taking that much more than a hard boys sized IG army already.

Polonius wrote:I'm not sure people literally expect the new 1520 to actually hold that many models, but I think most people would expect the new 1520 to hold as many models as the old one, which unless I've missed something it won't, due to having less foam.

bingo. the whole point of the numbering scheme (instead of calling it simply the Battlefoam S-M-L-XL) is that the number is directly related to size and i'm sure the sheer number of models that the original 1520 can carry is a big selling point. to reduce the carrying capacity 18% and still give it the same size number is a bit disingenuous... to reduce it, classify it as the same number, and then add XL (abbreviation for extra large for those not familiar with american english) is worse. don't get me wrong, i think romeo makes a quality product and the battlefoam i've seen in person has been the highest quality foam and bag i've ever seen. the addition of the handle and pocket for display case are good ideas and the wheels/roller handle is pure win... but calling it the 1520XL when it's 18% smaller than the normal 1520 and then saying it can fit the same number of models (but maybe goblins or halflings instead of humans/orks, lol) is not my definition of honest labelling. i wouldn't have commented if he had just named it the 1400 or even 1520 Deluxe.. but 1520 XL? if someone took coke's 12oz can of cola and redesigned the can with a better pop-top and EZ-grip sides but it now only holds 10oz and is now called the Coke XL... you don't think people would mind? i simply think that it's a poor choice of labelling/marketing the new product.

There's always been some tension between the product that Battlefoam offers, which is first rate and well worth the money for any serious enthusiast, and the personality of the company. By that, I mean that while it's tough to dislike the product, it's quite possible to dislike the company or it's owners based on their conduct outside of production. I don't want to get into specifics, but this naming convention is another thing that makes the company look less reputable than it is.

I am Happy with the bag I purchased and seeing the new cart for it is very enticing.

We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Regardless of "issue" people have with the numbering system. These bags are the best hobby bags available to us right now. I have seen the bags that friends own and used them when borrowing army's since then I cant wait until I get my own which will be soon I am just waiting to figure out what size bag I need to fit minis in. I do however wish that I could get the old 1520 at this point though because it fits my needs better especially now that you can get the wheels for it.

Will you have the addon carts for 1520 Classic at Gencon?

I don't think anybody has lost site. If you read everybody's comments, they're more advisory than complaining. You're marketing an XL product that's smaller than the original. It's that simple.

Battlefoam has enjoyed tremendous success on the strength of it's products and the drive of it's marketing. In terms of Public Relations, however, you guys could use a hand. This is the sort of gaffe, that when added to the other stuff, makes it easy for people to paint your company in a very unflattering light. It's easy when you have the best product in the market to not worry about PR, but gamers are a fickle lot, and somebody might catch up to you, and then it's goodwill that carries companies.

Yes, we will have the carts are Gencon. We will see you there.

Romeo

P.S. Polonius - I can no longer be mad at you for any comments you make. I just noticed you are from Cleveland my home town. I grew up on W.69th and Detroit Ave. I visit Cleveland at least 3 times a year to visit family.

Next time I am in town we should get a game in. You may hate me now, but you will really dislike me once my Green Tide comes to Cleveland. By green tide I mean Orks.

Romeo

Romeo, you don't seem to be reading what I'm saying. I don't hate you, in fact unless I'm mistaken most of my comments have made it clear that I'm a huge fan of your product.

I'd love to get in a game, but I don't want you to think that I have some sort of personal animosity.

Love how you have not forgotten about those of us who bought the original 1520. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

The pack plus is also a must buy for me now.

Sgt Diablo wrote:My point is that no number is correct because the system is modular.

So is a number system really the best system to be using to identify them, then?

Strikes me as rather confusing to be naming a customisable storage system based on the number of models it can possibly hold in one particular configuration.

Sgt Diablo wrote:Yes, we will have the carts are Gencon. We will see you there.

Romeo

Sounds good, do you have a price for it yet? Also if you get any free time away from your booth, you should come visit ours and play a quicky demo of Brushfire Especially since Battlefoam is going to be keeping all of our minis nice and protected on the long trip to indy with their awesome custom trays.

I also noticed that the original 1520 is no longer on the website for ordering. With the new bag only able to be pre-ordered, how would someone order an original version of the 1520 for an imediate need. Or for those gamers who would rather have the original model.

As for the numbering system, it's what everyone is used to but still, the newer additions are being named something different. Ie..P.A.C.K. Plus. The 1520 is close enough to the base model of the original that most people will associate it with the original version.

what are the interior dimensions of the pack 432 vs. the hordes/warmachine bag ie. if i turn the foam sideways will BF sized trays fit in the warmachine bag?

thanks

Cyporiean - Its $25.00 and can be found on the site under the new products section.

Artsoldier35 - Many retailers still have the 1520 so just a quick look around the net should land you one. We currently do not have any plans on bringing the older version back out. I would look at Miniature Market, Bitz Box and places like that if your LFGS does not have them in stock.

Romeo

Rome just got to say i love the products!!!! I recently ordered a 750 and 1520 from you to fit my tyranids, space marine and guard armies while i have to pull double use for my rhinos and chimeras do to my budget you have here a guy who will stand by your product 110% especially after seeing my bull dog puppy drag the 1520 across my house with me close behind laughing!! After placeing all my figs in the bag i realized that i need a few more trays for some of the more dramaticly posed models and my speeders and bikes. And i'm totally picking up some of the expansions bags so my nids can fit into the 720 instead of the bottom of the 1850. Sorry for wall o text on the cell typing this

Romeo, the new 1520 states it holds 18" of foam, then says the inside holds 20" max capacity. Is the 18" the maximum ammount of foam including the 1/4" bottoms for each tray? Or is it 20" with all the 1/4" added?

Looking to place an order but want to plan the number of trays.

Dashofpepper wrote:
You may want to rename it if it no longer holds 1520 models, or someone is going to come along sooner or later and hit you for misrepresentation. I know you guys have been through the legal thrasher lately, and this is a pink elephant.

Sgt Diablo wrote:Dashofpepper - Come on, really. Would people really look at the number of the bag but not look at the size of the bag first. We have made trays for people that hold 125 troops per tray.

This reminds me of the settlement I got with my 2004 Toyota Matrix XRS. The 2003 model was 180hp. The 2004 model had the exhaust system changed a bit and it was reduced to 173hp. Toyota didn't update their literature and the 180hp number stuck around. I'm not sure if there was a suit, but there was enough rumbling that Toyota sent owners of the 2004 models checks for $100.

We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Sgt Diablo wrote:
Now nobody can make the mistake of buying it without using their heads first.

It really is pretty simple: anybody that thinks the 1520 XL holds more models than the 1520 clearly didn't read the description, because the names of products are usually pretty loosely related to their attributes. So, anybody that makes that mistake is pretty dumb. As a savvy consumer, I know when a manufacturer adds "XL" to a product name, it pretty much always means "read the fine print, because we've made it smaller."

The arguments here are so Silly.

The old cadian troop box says cadian shock troops and has 20 models, the new update is called cadian shock troops and has 10 models. same name but half the minis. we all know what we are getting because of the pictures and desciption. what is the point here? its a cheaper bag and and holds less than the previous (wow big surprise there) the name is synonymous with being a large bag series I hardly see how wrong it its.

I like battlefoam bags and wish I can buy them but since the postage to australia is so expensive I prefer to buy the tactical back pack and 2 GW cases from malestrom

Thachng wrote:The old cadian troop box says cadian shock troops and has 20 models, the new update is called cadian shock troops and has 10 models. same name but half the minis.

Not really a valid comparison.

If the Cadian box was called 'The Cadian 20' and it was generally understood that the '20' refers to the number of models in the box... and then the box changed to 10 models but kept the same name, you would have a more appropriate comparison.


Although in this case, it appears that it's actually more like a box called 'The Cadian 20' that can actually come with a variable number of models, that is changed to hold a lower (but still variable) number of models...


The number is meaningless, which (IMO) makes it confusing and unnecessary. It would be better to simply call it an 'XL' bag or somesuch, and state an approximate capacity in the description.

I actually have a legit question, romeo!

I currently have a pack 1520. There are times when I kinda want a bag thats a BIT bigger than the top, yet smaller than the bottom (my biker army, for example).

If I buy a pack PLUS, will it connect to the top half of my 1520? I'd imagine it would, but i'm not entirely sure.

Honersstodnt, Yes all of the bags are designed to fit and zip together.

Romeo

Hey Romeo - I have a few questions about your products:

1a) Are you planning on offering your bags with different color choices (other than OD)? I'd like to have different colors for my different armies. Right now, I have four armies in four different Sabol bags (all black), and I need to open them to see what contents are inside.

1b) Alternatively, any change of custom designs / logos on the bags themselves? This would be a big selling point for me.

1c) I thought that I saw a picture with a "black-colored" C4 bag - is that available for purchase? Sorry, I don't remember where I saw the picture, so maybe I am mistaken.

2) The C4 bag on your website comes with a few foam choices, but "custom foam" is not one of them. However, I can purchase a C4 custom foam for $15 separately. Can I just order the C4 with custom foam together? I don't want the other foam options.

3) Does the X-Board come with a carrying case, (because it doesn't mention it on your site).

Thanks,

Mez

warboss wrote:

Polonius wrote:I'm not sure people literally expect the new 1520 to actually hold that many models, but I think most people would expect the new 1520 to hold as many models as the old one, which unless I've missed something it won't, due to having less foam.

bingo. the whole point of the numbering scheme (instead of calling it simply the Battlefoam S-M-L-XL) is that the number is directly related to size and i'm sure the sheer number of models that the original 1520 can carry is a big selling point. to reduce the carrying capacity 18% and still give it the same size number is a bit disingenuous... to reduce it, classify it as the same number, and then add XL (abbreviation for extra large for those not familiar with american english) is worse. don't get me wrong, i think romeo makes a quality product and the battlefoam i've seen in person has been the highest quality foam and bag i've ever seen. the addition of the handle and pocket for display case are good ideas and the wheels/roller handle is pure win... but calling it the 1520XL when it's 18% smaller than the normal 1520 and then saying it can fit the same number of models (but maybe goblins or halflings instead of humans/orks, lol) is not my definition of honest labelling. i wouldn't have commented if he had just named it the 1400 or even 1520 Deluxe.. but 1520 XL? if someone took coke's 12oz can of cola and redesigned the can with a better pop-top and EZ-grip sides but it now only holds 10oz and is now called the Coke XL... you don't think people would mind? i simply think that it's a poor choice of labelling/marketing the new product.

Agreed on all counts. Maybe someone should sue them for false advertising....

I was very much considering buying one, but now that I know better....

It would be nice if they hadn't discontinued production of the original 1520 (I'm always on a quest for MOAR MODELS!!!)

Anyway, on another less controversial note, Sgt. Diablo, does your company offer custom foam in non-standard sizes? I need 14 inches of foam in a size of 13"x25", noone makes anything remotely near that, and even by combining several trays I will still be losinga couple inches of space that could otherwise be possibly filled.

The thing is guys, the original 1520 is 2 bags, not just one. They connect to each other. would it really be so very different, if he sold the bag for $325, and it was a packaged deal of a pack PLUS and a pack 1520xl, and just offered the 1520xl separately for $275, the original price?

I have to chime in here. If he left the pack on top and called it the 1520xl then it would be fine as it would even more so resemble his previous selling bag and also would actually be an XL bag since it would hold more than previously. He could then sell the bottom bag alone and call it...1420. People know it doesn't hold as much and no potential legal problems.

Personally the only bag I'd consider would be the 720 since it zips all the way down. I genuinely was displeased with the original 1520 when I encountered it. My only problem is that the only reason to replace an old bag would be if I could travel with it and none of the bags are good airplane bags.

A sale! I think I'll wait until black Friday to purchase one then. Sorry Romeo.

Hulksmash - I would take a look at the 432 as your airport solution. You can also check on the specific airline you fly with to see about the 720. I went from AZ to Chicago and back for Adepticon on Southwest and had my 720 with me the entire way. Nobody really gave it a second look but I would check with your specific carrier to be sure.

We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

chaosOxomega - In one part of your post you tell people to sue us. In the second you ask for our help. Do you need foam, or do you need legal advise? I would love to help you with foam and we do the kind of work you are asking for. If your looking to sue us for false advertising then I don't really know how to help.

Mezmaron - 1. As of now we do not plan on releasing the bags in any other color. We do have a pretty cool surprise coming out for Christmas. Stay tuned.
2. Sorry, no on this one also. We can not do custom designs on the bag because embroidery is very expensive.
3. At one point we did offer Black C4's but we only made 200 of them and they sold out very quickly. We do not plan on making those again.
4. You can order custom foam for your C4 anytime with the custom tray creator. The cost is what is posted on the site.
5. The X-Board does come with a carrying bag that is included in each box. Also the new 1520 XL will have a specific set of pockets that hold the X-Board pieces.

Romeo

I think the plus will make a perfect Christmas present, definitely going to the top of my list along with a tablet As much as I want a 1520, I don't think I am that much of need plus I'm 15 so the money really isn't in the question! I saw your videos when they first came out and was enticed, can't wait to get some of your products!

@Diablo

As far as the 720 goes I think it's the perfect size for most of my armies but I don't want to limit my flight availability by my carry on luggage. As for the 432 it's just not big enough for most of my mech armies. 7.5" just doesn't do current mech armies well. Not saying I won't use your services for foam for my existing bags or that I won't pick up a 720 for local use. I'm just voicing my issues with your product as a travel bag.

When will new terrain plates be out for the new X-board?

(ps. our LFGS became the first victorian retailers in australia to stock battle foam )

Sgt Diablo wrote:

chaosOxomega - In one part of your post you tell people to sue us. In the second you ask for our help. Do you need foam, or do you need legal advise? I would love to help you with foam and we do the kind of work you are asking for. If your looking to sue us for false advertising then I don't really know how to help.

You will have to forgive me, but it was a bit of humor/sarcasm rather than an actual threat, and I do not intend to engage in frivolous legal actions.

Anyway, are you capable of what I asked or should I look elsewhere?

Romeo,

Who do you guys at battlefoam think you are? You clearly used a strange numbering system to confuse your costomers, are we expected to figure out just looking at your website for a few brief moments that the bigger the number the larger the bag?!? And that bags that have names tend to have a more highly specialized function? Who do you think is using this product, because it appears to me that you are marketing to a highly intelligent group of people involved in a niche hobby that generally requires tons thinking coupled with reading descriptions of things and a keen attention to detail... clearly you don't understand your audience at all and are likely to be sued because your numbering system is intentionally confusing, and makes my head go ouchy boo boo... WHY, WHY Romeo?!?

So back in reality I have been planning my 720's load out, and was wondering if there is a chance that I can trace the models in my command sqaud to have the foam cut specifically to there shape, similar to the BA tray yous guys offer, or if I need to try and figure out which sized rectangle, oval etc fits each character best?

and as a clarification did you say that it may be possible to make a tray that is not one of your pre-set sizes? I've been wanting to actually use the bolter "ammo crate" I got when 5th ed 40k dropped but the foam it came with is just a solid block of egg crate stylie and essentially useless to transport models without crushing them.

Thanks again for making such a sweet product and don't let the haters effect you, you have created a company from the ground up and are quite skilled at it illustrated by your success. You realized a niche that wasn't being covered in our hobby and you have more than filled that gap.

Cheers

http://battlefoam.com/battlefoam-custom-form.pdf <- order form for custom foam cutouts

http://battlefoam.com/catalog.php?item=86&catid=2&ret=catalog.php%3Fcategory%3D2 <- ordering information

Well when wayland games get them in i'll be picking one of the new 1520's up. Are there any plans to offer custom foam through Wayland? (like we order it, then next time wayland places an order with you you shove it in the box with thier order), also are there plansfor them to increase the selection that they stock?


p.s. got your space hulk foam the other week, it is awesome!

Props to you Romeo for having the patience of Methuselah to handle with such tact an argument revolving around.... foam. Oh, and I really like your product line.


Top 10 of what I'd have done in your position.

10)Wonder why I even make an effort to communicate with people who must fail so utterly at communication in day to day life or suffer from what can only be described as an Online/Digital Asperger's Syndrome.

9)Asked myself and then documented how I managed to attract, what may arguably be, the largest online swarm of TFGs I've seen to date.

8)Asked them what business/product they had contributed to the gaming community, nay, the world lately.

7)I'd show'em that yes, in fact, you can be stabbed with foam.

6)I'd have shown them how that spiffy little wheeled cart works equally well as a dork wheelchair.

5)I'd have told them that an inch or two doesn't matter its just FOAM, but then have felt bad that they may have thought I was talking about something else.

4)I'd have told them my grandmother complains about more pertinent things, and she talks to the walls and flings her poo.

3)I'd have told them that even talking about lawsuits over the size of a box and how many toy soldiers it can hold isn't just crap. Its the crap of a bug that just ate a spoiled sun baked turd.

2)I'd have told them where to put all 1,520 figures.

1) Needless to say, I'd have snappedXL.

Dear Romeo , this is a clear case of how " customer is always right " hear me out...

It does absolutely no good for your company when the numbering system is clearly confusing your potential buyers.
It doesnt really matter if the number system works in your mind , because the buyers are the one that is making the actual purchase... and are been confused.

So instead of telling the customers why they are wrong , perhaps look at it from the other perspective...
Listen to them to why they are confused , and adjust the system accordingly.

Because , a happy customer will be a repeat customer , and will serve you as the best advertisement to their friends .
No amount of money or forum banner advertisement will ever beat this

We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Customers were the ones who came up with the system. There was a contest here on Dakka.

Also, What difference does the number make? As long as a 720 is smaller than a 1520, I don't see how anything is confusing.

The old 1520s are out of Production. The replacement has an XL designation. How is it confusing again?


edit, hostile tone

That was extremely fast. All of the sudden, pow, 22" for the 1520.

Drat! I wanted the 18" one instead of the 22" one! Curses foiled again! (this is all sarcasm...)

On a serious note... I've got one of the "older" 1520s and it rocks... I really wanted it to be two seperate cases and for that it works great... though now I think I need a new 1520 as well...

Which reminds me... I need to order some custom foam trays as well... /sigh

skrulnik wrote:Customers were the ones who came up with the system. There was a contest here on Dakka.

Also, What difference does the number make? As long as a 720 is smaller than a 1520, I don't see how anything is confusing.

The old 1520s are out of Production. The replacement has an XL designation. How is it confusing again?


edit, hostile tone

the confusion wasn't between the 720 and 1520; it was between the 1520 and 1520XL. almost everyone who looked at those designations would think that the 1520XL is larger than the 1520 but it was 18% smaller. next time, it might help if you read the entire thread (it's only three pages) instead of just the last few posts.

if the the XL is up to 22" of foam just like the original now then i have no problem with the nomenclature. kudos to romeo and battlefoam for listening to the public/consumers!

I think the most frustrating thing is the perception that Romeo was being defensive of his decision. Despite the Company and product being superb in many ways, the perception that Romeo was too brusque rubbed several people the wrong way.

At the same time he was giving us the song and dance, he was in fact taking what the public was asking for and putting it into production.

Again, extremely fast and a perfect answer to the problem.

Also: Great video of the new products. For a look go to the site.

warboss wrote:next time, it might help if you read the entire thread (it's only three pages) instead of just the last few posts.

I did read the whole thread, thanks.

I will repeat.

1520 is discontinued. 1520xl is the replacement in the same class. Where is the confusion?

The XL designation certainly implies bigger. But if the old one is unavailable, what does it matter?

skrulnik wrote:
The XL designation certainly implies bigger. But if the old one is unavailable, what does it matter?

let's say I sell a widget. You like my widget, but it's not quite perfect for you. I then replace the old widget with the widget XL, which adds some great new features. You decide to buy it. Would you assume, absent close reading, that the Widget XL was not only better, but larger than the old one?

I don't think there's any sinister motives here, and I'm guessing in reality nobody is going to be confused to the point of wanting their money back. But it was simply a bad name, because XL doesn't mean better, it means bigger. 1520 Deluxe, or 1520 Mobile would have been better.

The sub issue, for some of us, is that instead of just copping to it and admitting that the name was misleading, Romeo basically told us anybody that would be mislead is dumb. There's a bit of protocol for public relations, and in this case he did everything right (fixing the problem, clarifying the situation, making sure that people aren't mislead), except for treating the people that pointed out the problem with anything approaching respect. A big part of customer relations is to make the customer feel good, and one of the easiest ways to do that is to empathize and treat the customer, and their problem, with respect. By saying, "Ok, I can see how somebody could be confused. We want to re-iterate that the case does hold less foam, but the advertised number of models, and we'll make it very clear on the website how big this new bag is." Romeo could have made everybody happy. Instead, he's had dozens of posts complaining about his company. Romeo does most of his own PR, and judging by what I've seen, I'd imagine he has a hard time admitting mistakes, which is not uncommon in successful entrepreneurs.

We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Thats a lot of PACK. You make it harder and harxer to stick to my hobby budget, lol.

grizgrin wrote:Thats a lot of PACK. You make it harder and harxer to stick to my hobby budget, lol.

I'd suggest getting a Hobby Budget XL, then.

Sgt Diablo wrote:We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Pardon my ignorance, Romeo.

What were the measurements on the old PACK 1520?

Thanks.

Eric

Please, god; the pain.....

Let the man cut his foam. Jesus.

Sirius42 wrote:Well when wayland games get them in i'll be picking one of the new 1520's up. Are there any plans to offer custom foam through Wayland? (like we order it, then next time wayland places an order with you you shove it in the box with thier order), also are there plansfor them to increase the selection that they stock?


p.s. got your space hulk foam the other week, it is awesome!

As far as I am aware all of the custom cut foam is only available directly, no distributors are able to provide anything more than the stock trays, and even then I believe only a limited selection.

MagickalMemories wrote:

Sgt Diablo wrote:We have corrected the size of the 1520XL to its new official size of 22". Now you get 1 full compartment that has a total height of 22". You can also zip a P.A.C.K. Plus onto the top and get an additional 6 inches totalling your bag height to 28". This would carry close to 2000 space marine size models.

Romeo
Battle Foam
Protecting Your Army

Pardon my ignorance, Romeo.

What were the measurements on the old PACK 1520?

Thanks.

Eric

Read the first page of this thread. Its all there along with alot of, er, I hate to even be the one.... negativity....

Griz is gonna get you CitizenPrime....Watch your back!!!!

Griz we get that you really love Battlefoam. Once you've made that clear unless your responding directly in a way that matters to the thread we don't need the extra love posts.

That being said excellent job adjusting the XL bag Romeo. I might get one for local gaming now. And I agree with Polonius overall on his post of why you got the comments you did.

Polonius wrote:

skrulnik wrote:
The XL designation certainly implies bigger. But if the old one is unavailable, what does it matter?

let's say I sell a widget. You like my widget, but it's not quite perfect for you. I then replace the old widget with the widget XL, which adds some great new features. You decide to buy it. Would you assume, absent close reading, that the Widget XL was not only better, but larger than the old one?

I don't think there's any sinister motives here, and I'm guessing in reality nobody is going to be confused to the point of wanting their money back. But it was simply a bad name, because XL doesn't mean better, it means bigger. 1520 Deluxe, or 1520 Mobile would have been better.

It doesn't matter. Why do people who think "in reality nobody is going to be confused to the point of wanting their money back" make a fuss about it, the answer is simple. By the by, at least one Federal agency seems to think XL can mean "eXcellence in Leadership", but it seems we have a ruling on the field for this particular abbreviation.

Live in fear for the day Polonius discovers the German car numbering system. You should see the letter writing campaign he has regarding the small and large intestines...

Polonius wrote:The sub issue, for some of us, is that instead of just copping to it and admitting that the name was misleading, Romeo basically told us anybody that would be mislead is dumb. There's a bit of protocol for public relations, and in this case he did everything right (fixing the problem, clarifying the situation, making sure that people aren't mislead), except for treating the people that pointed out the problem with anything approaching respect. A big part of customer relations is to make the customer feel good, and one of the easiest ways to do that is to empathize and treat the customer, and their problem, with respect. By saying, "Ok, I can see how somebody could be confused. We want to re-iterate that the case does hold less foam, but the advertised number of models, and we'll make it very clear on the website how big this new bag is." Romeo could have made everybody happy. Instead, he's had dozens of posts complaining about his company. Romeo does most of his own PR, and judging by what I've seen, I'd imagine he has a hard time admitting mistakes, which is not uncommon in successful entrepreneurs.

Hehe. I gotta admit, compared to what I was looking at earlier today, this is pretty amusing: everything has been resolved to even the most irrational person's satisfaction, yet still he has not "made everybody happy". Let Romeo learn from this that fixing problems is nothing, coupons for fellatio are what the masses want.

Gracious, dozens of complains... unprecedented. (For those who don't care to look; the link is to a thread containing roughly 47 thousand posts complaining/protesting a feature yet to be implemented in World of Warcraft. Perspective.)

Buzzsaw wrote:
Hehe. I gotta admit, compared to what I was looking at earlier today, this is pretty amusing: everything has been resolved to even the most irrational person's satisfaction, yet still he has not "made everybody happy". Let Romeo learn from this that fixing problems is nothing, coupons for fellatio are what the masses want.

A fellatio joke, how droll. Asking for professionalism in service is not a particularly significant demand, its standard practice in the course of running a business. Granted, entrepreneurs are notoriously bad at customer service, but that doesn't absolve them of criticism.

In any case, its best to not invoke that tired "someone is wrong on the internet" cliche. After all, you're here stabbing away at the keyboard, just like the rest of us.

Buzzsaw wrote:
Gracious, dozens of complains... unprecedented. (For those who don't care to look; the link is to a thread containing roughly 47 thousand posts complaining/protesting a feature yet to be implemented in World of Warcraft. Perspective.)

Perhaps we should examine the relative size of the market being addressed before deciding that raw numbers have any meaning.

Buzzsaw wrote:
It doesn't matter. Why do people who think "in reality nobody is going to be confused to the point of wanting their money back" make a fuss about it, the answer is simple. By the by, at least one Federal agency seems to think XL can mean "eXcellence in Leadership", but it seems we have a ruling on the field for this particular abbreviation.

Live in fear for the day Polonius discovers the German car numbering system. You should see the letter writing campaign he has regarding the small and large intestines...

What amuses me is that you seem to be casting me as some sort of angry guy, ranting to the heavens about something trivial. I'm curious what internet you've been spending time on that my posts are considered cranky by comparison.

Hehe. I gotta admit, compared to what I was looking at earlier today, this is pretty amusing: everything has been resolved to even the most irrational person's satisfaction, yet still he has not "made everybody happy". Let Romeo learn from this that fixing problems is nothing, coupons for fellatio are what the masses want.

Actually, that's a pretty good lesson. Ask every successful business person you know if treating the customer well is as important as providing them with a quality product. I'd be pretty shocked if you found a lot of people, in business for any length of time, that don't acknowledge the importance of making people feel respected. And your hyperbole is a bit off base: to be fair to my point, Romeo is on record saying that nobody who used their brain could possibly make that mistake. There's a difference between fellatio vouchers, and calling people complaining dumb.

I think if you read all of my posts, you'd see that what I'm trying to do, rather than complain to get something (After all, I already own a very nice battlefoam bag), is that I'm hoping to help Romeo prevent his company from needlessly losing market share. Am I really that offbase in my business analysis that a business owner shouldn't needlessly piss off potential customers for no gain?

Gracious, dozens of complains... unprecedented. (For those who don't care to look; the link is to a thread containing roughly 47 thousand posts complaining/protesting a feature yet to be implemented in World of Warcraft. Perspective.)

Dogma hit the nail on the head concerning market size, but you again seem to be missing the point. The point isn't the bag itself, which seems to be a good value and a fine product. Hell, at this point the naming system isn't an issue: it's been resolved. The point is that in business there is a concept of "goodwill," essentially the value your company has based on reputation that goes beyond physical assets. Companies live or die on the goodwill, especially in markets where innovation can't be protected (although we'll see if the current patent litigation succeeds). Eventually customers may have the option to purchase battlefoam or a nearly identical knockoff (they already kind of do). In those instances, the reputation of the company because extremely valuable. BF's technical reputation is great, which is why I think it's a shame that for no reason, they hurt their own goodwill with stuff like this.

It's not a big deal, but it shows a potential weakness in a company, a company that I want to survive so I can make more purchases from. Start ups with a very powerful entrepreneur have a strength of vision, but can also become limited by that individuals weaknesses unless he learns to delegate. Given that we've seen extremely questionable public relations, and a very questionable legal decision (choice of jurisdiction, not subject matter), it's possible to paint a picture where Romeo isn't willing to listen to professionals or experts in making his decisions. That's often where firms go awry.

If this were a completely isolated incident, it would be a brief discussion. The problem is that I feel there is a pattern of behavior, and I'd like to see that pattern stop. At least long enough for me to buy enough Foam for all of my armies, but hopefully so that BF can stay in business for years and years.

And yeah, I'm having fun arguing with the fanboys, which is hilarious since I'm a huge fan of the company and recommend it's products wherever I go.

Polonius wrote:
And yeah, I'm having fun arguing with the fanboys, which is hilarious since I'm a huge fan of the company and recommend it's products wherever I go.

It's true. When I saw Polonius over Origins, his bag was sitting by his games and he kept fielding questions from walk-ups about it, and I KNOW for a fact that he was telling everyone about the quality and durability of the bag, and kept telling folks that Romeo was over in the Exhibit Hall selling them RIGHT NOW.

-Porkuslime

Same thing happened at the Big Waaagh last year... Had people offering me more than I paid for my 1520 even with it having highly customized Reaver/Dread drop pod/2 Storm/Bane blade foam in it.
Tons of questions, tons of offers....
The Pack Max is even worse, if you don't like attention.

So have you had to cancel production of the bag and have it made 4" bigger Romeo? This must be costing you a lot of money if that is the case!

The pack is keeping the same cost which is great news I will be ordering one from you asap. If I order in the next couple of days am I likely to receive mine for the 1st September date?

Confused as to why 22" case as it is not a multiple of 1.25" which is the basic troop size tray. Unless I am being dumb 17 trays of 1.25" will fit in the 22" space provided (leaving 0.75 space) and 17 trays of 72 troops (the tray size originally used to name the bags) will hold 1224 troops. So still not the 1520 lol.

This is not a problem for me. I don't use those standard trays anyway and all sorts of tanks etc are used. I can't wait to order one!

Janthkin wrote:

grizgrin wrote:Thats a lot of PACK. You make it harder and harxer to stick to my hobby budget, lol.

I'd suggest getting a Hobby Budget XL, then.

WIN! Jesu, I wish.

Hulksmash wrote:Griz is gonna get you CitizenPrime....Watch your back!!!!

No, not really. Not even a bit.

Hulksmash wrote:Griz we get that you really love Battlefoam. Once you've made that clear unless your responding directly in a way that matters to the thread we don't need the extra love posts.....

Wonder-mod powers, activate? Look homes, I'll make a comment where I like til a mod cuts me out.
They tend to do their jobs fairly well, and when I get out of line and need some "guidance" I am sure they will provide it.

You said three months ago that you were planning to make more trays tailored towards specific armies. So far I have only seen the Blood Angels tray and the Fire Prism tray since that thread was created. When can we expect to see more tailored trays, specifically those including named HQ choices for non-Blood Angels armies? Now granted, I may have missed some since there are a lot of 40k trays available, and if they don't show up on the "new items" part of your website and they're not Eldar (my only army at this point,) then I'm not likely to notice them despite how often I check the site for new products.

Also, on another note, is it possible for us to see the three Eldar cutouts from the troop tray added to the custom foam creator? Right now we only have the Eldar troop tray available by itself, and the half bikes, half troops tray that's bundled into the PACK 432 Eldar kit available with those particular cutouts, and a lot of Eldar players use more Aspect Warriors than Guardians, and given that the majority of Aspect Warriors are taller than 1.5", the shorter cutouts on the Eldar troops tray don't properly fill the needs of a lot of Eldar players, myself included.

I've purchased a PACK 432 from you guys and it was worth every penny of the $155 I spent on it (I bought it before the universal price reduction,) but I'm looking to purchase a new PACK 720 since my Eldar vehicle count has outgrown the space my 432 can accommodate due to the immense size of the Eldar grav tanks. In addition to more tank foam, which I've already decided on a mix of custom foam and the Fire Prism foam tray, I'm looking to add another tray for my infantry. This time I'm looking for a tray to present my various HQ's all in upright positions and not sticking out of the foam, as some of them, even the stock models, do not properly fit in even the largest cutouts in the Eldar troop tray, such as a Fusion Gun+Chain/Power Sword wielding Autarch(stock model,) or Maugan Ra with his Scythed Shuriken Cannon and large skull banner post. None of the options in the custom foam creator work very well for Eldar troops and I would like to see that changed if possible.

Also, another problem I'm noted on a few of the Eldar trays, is the height of foam trays that have Wraithlords that are supposed to be standing up in the tray. The following trays need to be at least 4.5" tall as that is the minimum height for a standard Wraithlord straight out of the box.

2 ELDAR TANK 3 WRAITHLORD 2 WAR WALKER FOAM TRAY (E07BF-3.5)
8 WAR WALKER 4 WRAITH LORD FOAM TRAY (E03BF-4)

Either those trays need to be 4.5" tall, or the Wraithlords need to be place on their sides and occupy about 3"x4.5" of space as a rectangle to allow for slightly dynamic poses of the Wraithlords.

If need be, I'm more than happy to help in the design of new Eldar trays.

Well, I can never pass up an opportunity to help paint the bike shed!

Romeo, I think you really might want to consider the naming scheme for your bags - either use non-numeric names, or change the numbers to arbitrary ones which clearly don't represent "how many models they fit". Non-numeric names are cooler anyway.


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Well, I can never pass up an opportunity to help paint the bike shed!

Romeo, I think you really might want to consider the naming scheme for your bags - either use non-numeric names, or change the numbers to arbitrary ones which clearly don't represent "how many models they fit". Non-numeric names are cooler anyway.

My first pack 1520 arrived yesterday Romeo! I love it!

I do need to order some foam, but I'm curious if you'll be offering some thicker pluck out foam sizes? Maybe 1/2 sizes as well...

Anyhow... my other bag should be arriving today and I'll be directly ordering a few things and I'm working with a friend that owns a FLGS to order enough product to begin stocking your bags. I'll probably order two of the XL through him and some trays to fulfill what he needs to order!

I am excited by the Malifaux bag. I am definitely ordering that when it comes out!

I bought a 1520 during last year's Black Friday sale with free shipping. I bought two 432 packs, one for me and one for my son, at the FTW Games Grand Opening in Richmond, Virginia. I am very pleased with with all of them. The quality is high and they have a good "feel" to them. The 432 is a good quality, convenient and handy sized bag. The 1520 is massive, but that's why you buy that one. I believe I have "original" versions of both, but I have no complaints, they're terrific.

I'm still waiting for the 'Exciting News' of another sale, but maybe we'll be waiting until November...

...which, with my limited budget, I can do!

Fortunately FTW Games had a 10% off sale on virtually everything in their store during the grand opening weekend, so I saved nearly $20 on two 432 PACKS plus no shipping fees.

I will certainly be looking to see what Battlefoam has on sale this coming Black Friday in November. By then I will hopefully have more money saved up for another case if needed.

What is in a name?

This thread just goes to show you some people will complain about anything. I own several bars and not a day goes by without someone saying “You know what you should do…….” or “You really need to……”.

Romeo is the best at what he does. If you think you can do better than do so. If you want to make a suggestion perhaps you should shut up, take a moment to think, then talk. Prevents you confirming to everyone you’re an idiot.

If your offended or incredulous after reading this it was for you. If not, then it was not for you.

Long live Battlefoam!

So, once a person acheives a certain competency, they're essentially perfect? That's an interesting philosophy. I'm pretty sure the Detroit automakers felt that way in about 1970. it worked out great for them, as I recall.

didn't it? I'm a little fuzzy on my history, but i'm fairly sure earth was destroyed.

niceguyteddy wrote:If you want to make a suggestion perhaps you should shut up, take a moment to think, then talk. Prevents you confirming to everyone you’re an idiot.

if only you followed your own advice... the debate here was over. romeo addressed the concerns and pretty much everyone was satisfied and living happily ever after until your trolling.

So, once a person acheives a certain competency, they're essentially perfect?

If thats what you got out of it I'm sorry for you.

if only you followed your own advice... the debate here was over. romeo addressed the concerns and pretty much everyone was satisfied and living happily ever after until your trolling.

Well some of us can't sit on the forum all day every day, its called a life.

niceguyteddy wrote:Well some of us can't sit on the forum all day every day, its called a life.

Ooh, the old "get a life, nerds!" defense. Haven't seen that one in the wild since 1999. Very retro, very droll.

I know I feel shamed.

Me too.

Hey, wait a minute...!

Yeah, I think we're all done here.

If Romeo has additional exciting news to reveal, I invite him to do so in a new thread.