This is my first post, so I'm going to introduce myself. I have been playing wargames a long time ago. Saddly I haven't got too much time for that (work and girldfriend consumes most of it...), but the little free time I have I dedicate to my hobby. (Sorry for my english...)

This post is for showing my project of creating a true scale Deatwatch space marine. It has to be said that is my first time with green stuff. Any advise is welcome.

I didn't want to create an extremly big (and fat) SM, so I haven't use any terminators part. The figure's model is just an assault space marine, but with elongated arms and legs. Then I filled out with green stuff the gaps, and give a larger volume in the chest (as well as in arms and legs). This way, the SM looks taller but also stronger.

This photo is for another SM, but it shows the modifications I talked above.



The pose is based on Inquisitor's Brother Artemis:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1184231_99111399002_INQArtemisMain_873x627.jpg

So here it goes the WIP:





I prefer the no helmeted head.

Now I'm working on both arms. If I can get some feedback I'll be very grateful. And of course I will answer any questions.

Looks good so far, keep up the good work!!

Good night!

After the football match, a minor update. I added the arms and some details. I specially like the big that the armour looks, a big body inside a bigger armour.

True scale looks really good, I'm not a fan of the Terminator true scale use either. Keep up the amazing job.

On another note: Congrads on the win by your boys, that was one hell of a game.

jaime7784 wrote:Good night!

After the football match, a minor update. I added the arms and some details. I specially like the big that the armour looks, a big body inside a bigger armour.

First off, congrats on the win!
Also don't worry about your English, it's fine. It's also much better than some English-speaking members on Dakka.

Third, I really like the look of these guys. Was never a huge fan of true scale but these guys have a lot of character to them, keep it up.

Any way you get to a "Truescale" is fine by me, if it is executed well.

The "terminator" method, greenstuff, whatever!

And yours look quite nice indeed!

I am very much looking forward to more!

This is the only truescale marine that doesn't look like a Terminator, therefore the only one I really like.

And yes, your English is better than some English speakers here.

Great Job!

Nice looking models so far, will there be 5 eventually?

Wow, I didn't realize the hateration by many Dakkaites towards the 'terminator' method of making marines look bigger, but I'm gonna agree with Alpharius whatever's clever is what I always say

...well maybe not always, and probably not that often actually, come to think of it...mumble...

Very nice work! Great job on the GS, looks great!
You've captured the pose really well, he looks really dynamic which isn't something that is eazy using terminators as a base.

Hashshashin: I hope they don't hate it, I was the one that invented the method.

Thank you all guys for your opinions.

Schiznas, Vladsimpaler, Tim the Biovore: Thanks! I'm pleased that you like it.

Alpharius: I agree with you, if it's well executed, it doesn't matter what method is used.
As I wanted a dynamic pose I didn't use termi's legs. Termis and tactical SM legs are in an strange pose, with their legs too separeted, like if they got big balls (at face value).
The arms choice is simply because I prefer them, termi's ones aren't the same as standard SM armour ones.
I have to say that your true scale marines are great

Hashshashin: Actually it's only a marine, the photo shows 3 different angles. I'm working on another, and maybe there will be an entire kill team...

doghouse: I have just see your Scythes of the Emperor marine, I really like it!! I think the arms have been done as I did.

I've found that the best way to do the arms is use the regular marine arms and then sculpt over them slightly.
The trick is to make them level with the cuff on the wrist to avoid the t-rex look.

Loving what you have so far mate, seriously nice work and I can't wait to see him get some paint on him when he's finished.
For a first timer with green stuff you've done a fantastic job.

Are you going to build a squad?

Niiiice, good skills you have there

Thanks Zydragon.

doghouse: Thanks again. I have another marine's body waiting to get some green stuff (the first photo in this post). And today I have been planning another one, a deathwatch marine from space wolves, armed with claws. I just ordered some bits. So it can be said that there's going to be a squad (5 men?)

Today too much work, there's no much to update. The only thing is that I have changed the right shoulder pad, now it's from the Ultramarines chapter. I have also placed the backpack, but it's not glued yet. It's big enough, or it seems very small?



I have also taken a picture for size comparision purposes with (both half-painted) Corbulo and a Space Hulk termi. Take into account that the deathwatch marine is leaning forward.

Good night,

As I told yesterday, I'm planning a full deathwatch kill team, and today I started a new marine. It's going to be a space wolf with lighting claws in a pose like wolverine from x-men. I will try to post something like a step-by-step.

First I have made the legs. They came from SM assault squad. I have cut them to add some height to the figure, and also by the half to create the pose.



The second step is cutting the belt and the tubes from the torso. I place a wire through it to attach it more easy to the legs, and later for placing the head. Between the legs and the torso I will place som green stuff in order to gain more height.



Then I made the arms by cutting the hand with the claw and attaching it to a standard space marine arm.



These are the finished pair:



And finally everything attached:



The next step is going to be to fill it with green stuff to gain volume... Tomorrow will be another day.
thanks for reading, and don't hesitate to criticize or give any kind of opinion, that will help me to improve.

First of all.... World Cup winners!!! It has been very exicting!!!

After the point, and going on with the project:

Finally the bits have arrived, so I continued working with the first SM. I have removed a terminator's assault bolter clip, and I have attached it to a bolter. I saw this in the Storm Wardens project (http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/06/40k-hobby-building-sternguard-veteran.html). I have also attached an scope and a strip.





And this is how the SM looks with the bolter in the hand:



Still need more details and a decored base. I'm also working on different backpacks to choose the best looking one.
I would apreciate some feedback, good night and thanks for reading.

this is excellent work! for back packs have you tried some of the larger parts from the devestators kit?

Those are excellent. The Termiscale ones do sometimes have problems, like the arm tubes, this is a really good (and presumably cheaper?) method...

Looking good!
every time i see a good true scale conversion i get the urge to copy it.....

evry time i try a true scale marine i only end up throwing away a space marine a whole lot of green stuff :(

Thanks to everyone.

azekio: I think that devastators backpacks will be too big, but I will keep it in mind, thanks.

DapperAnarchist: Maybe the bits are cheaper, but you have to use more green stuff, wich takes more time of modelling...

sevend3f, genericUser: I encourage you to try to make one!! I will try to answer any questions you may have.

Very nice work indeed, you could put a thin sheet of something under the feet to boost them up even more.

Hi!

I have been working on different backpacks, and this is the one I really liked. It still needs lots of detailing.



On the other hand, I have been adding details to the SM. The vertical one is going to be the Inquisition symbol. I think it is going to be placed in both shinbones




As you can see, I have removed the base since I'm working on a datiled one. As vodo40k said, this way the SM will gain more height, and also more prominence.

WIP on the Blood Angel from the Deathwatch squad.



Tubes are from guitar strings, and the head and shoulder pad from BA Death Company sprue.

Good night, after deserved holidays, more updates.

This is the WIP in the Blood Angels Death Watch marine, hope you like it.

Awesome looking conversions, I'm keeping an eye on this one.

Dear Lord, these are awesome.

Your Green stuff skills are very good as is your attention to the little details. I especially love the work you are doing on the legs of the first bolter marine. Kept up the good work.

Oh and a belated congrats on the World Cup win, I have some Spanish friends at work and they have not stopped reminding me about it,lol.

Great work! Your TS method is a good 'un, and looks very natural. Way to go.

Gotta say that the pack looked okay to me, so if you want to save time you could skimp on that.

Also, have you considered casting some of the parts that you will want to use as standard, like backpacks and torsos? I can see redoing leg poses and arms each time, but if you're doing 10 it might pay to have the other stuff molded up.

Subscribing to this thread!

Dakka_Dok, Lennysmash: Thank you guys!

Savnock: I have just buyed things for resin casting, so after some tries I will cast some parts like torsos and legs.

Does that mean we're going to see some painted ones soon?

Good night,
I have painted the base, added a bolt pistol and hand grenades to the belt. I have also placed the left hand with the shield, and some rivets in the left leg and in the neck armour plate.








TODO things before painting: some inquisition symbols in the shield and right leg, purity seals, ... suggestions?

DapperAnarchist: I hope to start painting this one soon....

Very much subscribed. Love the idea and you are doing it very well.

Lovely

Hey these look great. Altho Im a little confused with what True Scale is supposed to mean. Wouldnt GW's own Creations Be cannon? I do think bigger and better models looks cooler dont get me wrong. Another Question... given all the models ive seen of Space marines they seem to be in a type of squat stance? could this be the reason they dont look so tall?

Anyways Awesome Green Stuff work. Could you possibly send me a tutorial? Anything Green Stuff. I could do with the research. Cheers

Really awesome, Truescale termie style always makes me think of mark III Iron Pattern, but yours look very much like the newer suits. Pose on the BA is ace, keep it up, I'll be watchin!

Deminyn, Rose_Mountainz, model collector: Thank you guys, I'm proud you like it.

arkayne819 wrote:
Im a little confused with what True Scale is supposed to mean.

Space marine miniatures aren't to scale comparing with other human models, so true scaling is an attemp to make them "as they should be"

arkayne819 wrote:
Another Question... given all the models ive seen of Space marines they seem to be in a type of squat stance? could this be the reason they dont look so tall?

I hate that pose... and yes, I think this is a reason they do not look so tall.

arkayne819 wrote:
Could you possibly send me a tutorial?

You can read this thread to understand my method, but there are others (the most used one is the termi method). If you have a concret question I will try to answer it.


And today's update, I have detailed the right leg. I'm pretty happy with the result. I think I will also add an Inquisition symbol.

aww very nice. thats awesome.

thanks for answering the questions too man.

These are looking great. I've been planning to do the same thing, but I'm still undecided about which approach to take as I like the bulk of the terminator approach, but I also like the motion you've managed to capture with the assault legs.

I'm certainly going to keep a close eye on these

Tim the Biovore wrote:This is the only truescale marine that doesn't look like a Terminator, therefore the only one I really like.
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That's an odd or rather selective comment. I've noticed half a dozen of well executed, non terminator looking truescales on this forum within the past few months actually.

Another Question though. If people are using termy bodies to bulk power armor, then how to they go about building up terminators? With Dreadnoughts!?!?

arkayne819 wrote:Another Question though. If people are using termy bodies to bulk power armor, then how to they go about building up terminators? With Dreadnoughts!?!?

I think the answer to that is "With lots of patience and green stuff"

I think I've only seen a couple of attempts at it. Both looked spectacularly huge. It's True Scale Rhinos and Land Raiders that you really want to be asking about though

oooh where does the line get drawn!? what about Thunder Hawks!? Bigger LRs means.... Aww gak somethings gotta go.... This is just getting Russian Doll Sequence. Except in Reverse!!!

Good night,

More details sculpted. I think the only thing left is adding more purity seals, and decoring the shield (it is out of the picture in order to see the new things). What do you think? What can I add to the shield?



A close up from the detailed leg:



I would appreciate advice and criticism. Thanks.

The details on the shinguards are really awesome - I like the contrast of whatever you used for the left one - imo it should stay kind of shiny, along with the chest ones. as far as the shield goes, maybe an aquila, or since you've already included an inquisition icon, maybe stick with that.

looking good though!

Love the feet ... kinda looks like hes wearing sandals

Very nice work...

I just have to admit I've never really seen the logic behind true-scaling Marines. I mean, why stop there?

The hands and heads on almost all GW figures are too large for the body scale. So wouldn't you 'need' to resculpt them as well if you're worried about things being "true scale"?

What about all of GW's vehicles? They're all out of scale.

What about weapons? GW's weapons are all FAR too large for the nominal scale of the figures...

Don't get me wrong... I have nothing but admiration for the quality of work that some of the true-scale enthusiasts (and the OP in particular!) have pulled off, but picking Marines out seems a bit, well, arbitrary to me. But I guess I'm not a true scale believer...

Valete,

JohnS

All this talk of true scaling has got me thinking. Has anyone ever made a true scale guardsman? I mean they are still very out of proportion.

Great work on the marine by the way. My favorite part of him has to be that he is twisting, it gives a real sense of movement

Looks great cant wait to see more

You could, if you wanted, make truescale Guard out of non-GW 28mm soldiers - I've seen an army of Napoleonic Guard that worked very well, done partly to get the right scale for hands and heads. Also, Krieg and Elysians are pretty close to accurate/non-heroic. I kinda like Heroic though - its like Icons and tapestries, the hands and head are huge compared to the chests, as they're the important bit...

The Neck studs are excellent, a great idea I may steal for my ][ marine... but the ][ on the knee pad... I'm not sure about it, it sort of sticks out.

arkayne819 wrote:oooh where does the line get drawn!? what about Thunder Hawks!? Bigger LRs means.... Aww gak somethings gotta go.... This is just getting Russian Doll Sequence. Except in Reverse!!!

Titans......

Warlord Titans

you shoudl be worrying on how much putty we will need to make one
(at this stage, we are better off sculpting it from start)

Retrias wrote:

arkayne819 wrote:oooh where does the line get drawn!? what about Thunder Hawks!? Bigger LRs means.... Aww gak somethings gotta go.... This is just getting Russian Doll Sequence. Except in Reverse!!!

Titans......

Warlord Titans

you shoudl be worrying on how much putty we will need to make one
(at this stage, we are better off sculpting it from start)

I dont disagree with you there

great work!!

Thank you all guys for reading and posting.

skbak wrote: whatever you used for the left one

They are pinheads.

skbak wrote: as far as the shield goes, maybe an aquila

I will take it into acocunt, thanks.

DapperAnarchist wrote: the ][ on the knee pad... I'm not sure about it, it sort of sticks out.

I didn't like it, so it has been removed.

genericUser wrote:Love the feet ... kinda looks like hes wearing sandals

Like Dante's feet.

Tomorrow I'm going for a week to doing trekking, so they will not be updates. Then I think I will start painting the blood angel.

Subscribed. Great stuff jaime! Can't believe I'd missed this thread up until now...

This work is amazing

Great job man, keep it up.

Color me subscribed! These look really amazing!

Excellent work! Look forward to seeing the finished squad.

Good afternon!!
Sorry about the lack of posts, too much work after summer... but I'm back with good news: I have started painting!!! Here is the head, nearly finished:



The next days I will continue painting, so stay tunned.

Looking forward to seeing this all finished!

The Blood angel is posed really nicely, so dynamic. Great biggerizing too.

I really like the way these are turing out, makes me wish i did my deathwatch squad in truscale.

More updates:

Painting WIP, still needs lighting the armour, painting the sword, more detailing, highlights... a lot of work to do yet.



Blood angels shoulder pad (not finished yet)

Nice work , it has always bothered me that space marines are not to scale, i thinks its why i like karl kopinski art so much, he seems to get the scale right to me. you should build an imperial citizen or guard to show there real height.

That looks awesome! Cant wait to see the whole squad together.

Good afternoon,

First of all: Trilobite, Commander Cain, tekk_45, neil101, thank you guys!

I have continued painting and I wanted to try new techniques, so I tried source lighting. It's not finihed yet, but anyway, what do you think? I'm not sure about the lighting sword, maybe I will repain it.



Greetings.

The lighting has worked very nicely although you may want to put a bit on the sword hand also

I cant get over how great your work is! Your painting is so crisp and clean!

The source lighting is fantastic, but the lightning on the sword lets it down... Other than that, is this going to go to Golden Demon?

Commander Cain: You are right, I'm adding more lighting in the sword arm
tony_nids_10: Thanks!!!
DapperAnarchist: I wasn't happy with the sword, so I'm painting it again (with more light!!!)

I will upload more photos soon.

Looks amazing so far, can't wait to see the whole squad done up!

Nice work. i like the glow that the sword is casting on the stone you latest marine is standing on. nice attention to detail.

How long have you been working with modelling/sculpting? I'm guessing a while given the detail on the shins etc?

Nice work! Very smooth true scaling!

Not sure how i missed this. Some really nice looking stuff, I love true scale marines. Keep it up!

Monkeh wrote:
How long have you been working with modelling/sculpting? I'm guessing a while given the detail on the shins etc?

This squad is my first sculpting work.

Ozymandias, sennacherib: Thank you guys!

Hits_the_spot: Thanks, I'm following your true scale marine post. They look awesome.


I've re-painted the lighting sword, what do you think about it??

Wow, that lighting is awesome! Congratulations!!

yea must agree that lighting is great

I hope your going to do one of the DW Heavy bolter with Suspensor marines. That would be awsome.

Long time without posting due to work, sorry. First of all thanks for your comments guys.
The few time i have had, has been for painting this witch king on fell beast for my girlfriend's birthday. She is really happy



The With King himself. The cloak has been painted using back mixed with blues:



As the model was bought on ebay, there was a claw missing, so I had to model it with green stuff, giving it a more dynamic pose than the original one.



Another shot:



And finally the base:



On the other hand, I can advance that I'm working on another member for the Death Watch squad: a termi, maybe in heresy armour. Moreover, I'm reading Horus Heresy novels and this has inspired me to model a true scale in a completely standing pose Garviel Loken. As soon as I have some time, I will upload some WIP photos.
Take care readers!

Nice deathwatch!

amazing stuff. i love your GSing work keep it up!

Amazing lighting effect, although as someone said, the actual detail on the sword does not do it justice. I find that painting some darker blue onto the blade shows up the lightning better (I just painted a lightning sword so you can check it out on my blog).

Nice work on the witch king I like the leathery look of the fell beast.

Commander Cain wrote:Amazing lighting effect, although as someone said, the actual detail on the sword does not do it justice. I find that painting some darker blue onto the blade shows up the lightning better (I just painted a lightning sword so you can check it out on my blog).

Nice work on the witch king I like the leathery look of the fell beast.

Yeah, I'm not happy with the lighting effect on the sword (too dark, as you said). I have seen your work, and it's great! I will try to repaint it in a similar way. Thanks!

brilliant stuff man! I like your greenstuffing a lot, and the progress you've made makes me keep coming back

wow, nice paintjob.

I really like the glow effect coming off the sword

Good night!
As I said the other day, my parallel project: Gavriel Loken from Horus Heresy novels. It is another true scale SM, still very WIP.

I will have to ask this but is it possible to get a copy of the completed Loken model? a Friend of mine is a fanatic for him.

Lysenis wrote:I will have to ask this but is it possible to get a copy of the completed Loken model? a Friend of mine is a fanatic for him.

Certainly I was thinking about casting it. Some months ago I experimented with resine casting, so I will give it a try and if I get decent results I will comunicate it here in the post. So stay tunned

He looks a bit static ATM but that could have something to do with the fact that he has no arms

Commander Cain wrote:He looks a bit static ATM but that could have something to do with the fact that he has no arms

I wanted to make him static, standing with the bolter in one hand and the helmet in the other. Something like a statue, showing the elegance of a space marine in his full height (it sounds poetic... XD)

Nice work! I love the light effect on the deathwatch-dude!

It is Loken I suggest a Sword since he was one fo the best swordsman of the Luna Wolves

To match Lokens style a sword either slung on his hip or stuck into the ground. Though the latter fits him more imho.

Wow really liking the Blood Angels but people who know me think thats expected. lol keep em coming they look great.

I subscribed to this tread looking forward to seeing this completed! Doing a amazing job so far...

and he also only has a pissy little chainsword as well
thats why he couldn't kill abaddon cause chainswords just can't get through terminator armor

Lysenis wrote:It is Loken I suggest a Sword since he was one fo the best swordsman of the Luna Wolves

To match Lokens style a sword either slung on his hip or stuck into the ground. Though the latter fits him more imho.

You are right. I will test different options with the sword.

CalasTyphon216 wrote:and he also only has a pissy little chainsword as well
thats why he couldn't kill abaddon cause chainswords just can't get through terminator armor

Definetly what he had was a chainsword, yes.

Can not wait to see it.

Here are some inspirational pictures

I love it but the armour color is off. if memory serves me right the Luna Wolves wore a light olive color though I may be wrong. . . *goes to look it up*

EDIT!!!: Found a good thread that has source information:

The armour is something like light grey/white. Maybe a mix of codex grey + skull white.



http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Luna_Wolves
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=127904

If you say so. That may before Horus was found and became their primarch but even in the first book of the Horus heresy they have that light greenish armour. It is even on he cover. Also with GW animosity at keeping their to their own fluff I would not be surprised to see that they are truly different.

Lysenis wrote:If you say so. That may before Horus was found and became their primarch but even in the first book of the Horus heresy they have that light greenish armour. It is even on he cover. Also with GW animosity at keeping their to their own fluff I would not be surprised to see that they are truly different.

When they become the Sons of Horus, their armours got repainted in other colour scheme, that seems to be what you are describing



In "Horus Rising" cover, the marines appear to be Sons of Horus (see the Horus eye in a shoulder pad)


In "False gods" you can see the Luna Wolves symbol in the left corner SM's left shoulder pad

Ah you are quite correct. I am sorry. being on a ship in the middle of the ocean doing circles all day long does warps ones memory quite effectivly.

Lysenis wrote:Ah you are quite correct. I am sorry. being on a ship in the middle of the ocean doing circles all day long does warps ones memory quite effectivly.

Don't worry, you're opinions are welcome . I understand that being in a ship for more than a week affects the brain.

I started a new member for the Deathwatch squad, a librarian (very WIP yet)



And Loken with arms and shoulder pads (still anything glued). The High Elves head is only provisional, although I like how it suits the armour. Maybe I could take away the hair, and make it more rude to fit SMs features.



Advices and opinions are welcome.

The Librarian is looking good - but Loken... I think it's the extreme straightness of the stance, but it's not really coming out well. The leg-hip-chest line of the model is very straight, while the pictures are more contrapposto, with a twist allowing for them to loom. The hips are turned slightly, the shoulders are down, the chest is up, putting him in a tense, active but static stance. So far this one is mostly just relaxed and low...

hi
jaime7784 i admire your work its inspired for me
i do my self a true scale space wolves but i a little disopointed they are true scale but compar to other races are to big ( no mantion compare to vehicles )
yours work a light me so now i build chaos space marine yours way

thanks for inspire me

cheers
DGB

my work if you will be interested http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=217062

jaime7784 wrote:

Lysenis wrote:Ah you are quite correct. I am sorry. being on a ship in the middle of the ocean doing circles all day long does warps ones memory quite effectivly.

Don't worry, you're opinions are welcome . I understand that being in a ship for more than a week affects the brain.

I started a new member for the Deathwatch squad, a librarian (very WIP yet)



And Loken with arms and shoulder pads (still anything glued). The High Elves head is only provisional, although I like how it suits the armour. Maybe I could take away the hair, and make it more rude to fit SMs features.



Advices and opinions are welcome.

I like him! I kinda agree what people have said about the pose, but even though he looks a little static I like him and am sure once you've added other components he will look alot better. Looking forward to more.

The pose is good, better than the typical "I need to take a poop so badly" pose most GW models seem to have!

I always think GW's SM's look as if they have already filled their power nappies!

absolutly amazing.. i am going to follow this one XD

great work! Really want to see these models all painted!

Some great work on here, looking forward to seeing what you do next. By the way that OSL from the power sword is awesome, far better than any of my attempts. Subscribed for more.

I like the Elf head, it just needs its ear removed.