6th edition is coming out eventually. What would be your dream starter set be?

Mine would be....Chaos Space Marines and Eldar. A wraithlord, dire avengers and something else for the eldar (Maybe a plastic avatar and guardians), and a plastic Daemon Prince, Chaos Dreadnought, Chaos Marines and obliterators.

I was trying to be realistic with what they could fit in the box. I doubt they could fit an entire unit of jetbikes,defiler or a rhino in the box.

So yeah, what would be your dream 40k starter set?

For me, dream starter set would be Tau v. Nids.

Not for in game reasons, I just like that matchup a lot.

IG vs Tau with 1 leman russ and 1 Hamerhead with 2 infantry and a HQ squad for both treams.

that would be awesome but saddly unlikely

Have they ever done tanks before? I don't think I've ever seen any. They're too hard to make in less than three pieces

Yeah I know but its just a dream starter for me tanks would be awesome.

Maybe GW should start realesing tank battles starter sets.

I'd love to see Guard and Eldar personally to highlight to different armies. However let's face it, it will always be Space Marines vs. ???

Generalstoner wrote:I'd love to see Guard and Eldar personally to highlight to different armies. However let's face it, it will always be Space Marines vs. ???

And one day the kit will be Space Marine vs. Space Marine. God, it'll probably be called Battle for Skulltown or something like that.

Haddi wrote:

Generalstoner wrote:I'd love to see Guard and Eldar personally to highlight to different armies. However let's face it, it will always be Space Marines vs. ???

And one day the kit will be Space Marine vs. Space Marine. God, it'll probably be called Battle for Skulltown or something like that.

Ha ha ha space marines are so lame

My personal favorite would be a Battle for Armageddon box set, with Steel Legion Imperial Guard and Orks. You could just cram in the current Black Reach Boyz, but swap out the warboss for Thrakka, and the Deffkoptas for something else Orky. On the other side you could have 20+ Guardsmen, a command squad, Yarrick, and probably a close-topped Sentinel.

Brother SRM wrote:My personal favorite would be a Battle for Armageddon box set, with Steel Legion Imperial Guard and Orks. You could just cram in the current Black Reach Boyz, but swap out the warboss for Thrakka, and the Deffkoptas for something else Orky. On the other side you could have 20+ Guardsmen, a command squad, Yarrick, and probably a close-topped Sentinel.

Thats an awesome starter set would love to see something like that released

Brother SRM wrote:My personal favorite would be a Battle for Armageddon box set, with Steel Legion Imperial Guard and Orks. You could just cram in the current Black Reach Boyz, but swap out the warboss for Thrakka, and the Deffkoptas for something else Orky. On the other side you could have 20+ Guardsmen, a command squad, Yarrick, and probably a close-topped Sentinel.

That.

That would actually be a really fun idea. But then, there wouldn't be as much variance in the armies. If you simplify it, it's basically horde CC vs. horde Shooty. And the starter sets are always Spess Mehren style elite small numbers vs. Horde something, or at least Black Reach+Macragge were (My memory does not go farther back, were there any other starter sets?)

Personally I would like a Black Crusade/Horus Heresy themed set with SM and CSM. Also a Wolf of Fenris themed set would be cool with Red Corsairs and Space Wolves

Brother SRM wrote:My personal favorite would be a Battle for Armageddon box set, with Steel Legion Imperial Guard and Orks. You could just cram in the current Black Reach Boyz, but swap out the warboss for Thrakka, and the Deffkoptas for something else Orky. On the other side you could have 20+ Guardsmen, a command squad, Yarrick, and probably a close-topped Sentinel.

This would be good. Two horde style armies, one more Shooty orientated, on more CC orientated. Deffkoptas for a couple of Killa Kans or a Deff Dread? And maybe a couple of Sentinels.

A starter set of our dreams hey? Let me think...

I would love to see a Necron verses Chaos starter kit, with the following in each (excuse my spelling)

Necron

1 Necron Lord
20 Necron Warriors
5 immortals
1 Tomb Spyder

Chaos

1 Chaos lord (Nurgle flavored with Mark of Nurgle)
14 Plauge Marines
5 Raptors
1 Chaos Dreadnaught

Would fill the need for plastics for both those armies.

I was thinking...The starter set should have a techmarine and thunderfire cannon. Artillery rules are a bit far-out, most people don't know them. The cannon would be pretty good to explain the rule (like dreadnoughts teaching about walkers and deffkoptas teaching about jet bikes)

Necrons vs Chaos would be funny. A battle to see who can purge the planet of life first.

We have had:

SM Vs Orks
SM Vs Dark Eldar
Sm Vs Nids
and now we have Sm Vs orks again.

barring a totally new race release and with Sm being GWs golden child Sm vs a horde army looks likely.

Personally I would like to see:

Necrons Vs Eldar. Guardians, a weapon platform or two along with a warlock or two. maybe a vyper or a walker thrown in to keep it interesting

Crons should have warriors maybe a plastic wraith or destroyer and a basic plastic lord.


Gw could probably get some mileage out of multiple starter kits or themed kits so they could have the obligatory SM VS bad guys but also have a few packs with other races, enough to tempt new players and people wishing to try new races.

Well, SM will always be in the starter set. Hands down.
Personal preference what the other race concerns.

dream starter set eh? armageddon ork hunters vs orks.... would give GW an excuse to bring back the ork hunters rules. sentinels with linked assault cannons? yes please

Chaos Daemons vs Eldar

Daemons

hearld of khorne

10 blood letters

3 flamers

2 beasts of nurgle

Eldar

farseer

10 dire avegures

avatar

3 jet bikes

Dream starter set?

Everything.

---->
Imperial Guard:

Lord Commisar

Platoon

Veteran Squad

Chimera

Leman Russ

---

Tyranids

Hive Tyrant

15 Gaunts

15 Gaunts

10 Genestealers + 1 Broodlord

Carnifex

That would make me cry...

WANT: Chaos Marines VS Orks
Chaos:
Lord/Sorcerer
2 Chaos Spawn
10 Chaos Marines (Flamer, Melta)
1 Chaos Dreadnought
5 Terminators
5 Havocs

Orks:
Warboss
30 Boyz
2 Deff Dreads
5 Nobz
5 Flash Gitz (GOOD LUCK! GW won't make new plastic models!)

It won't happen but for some reason IG's sounds good for starters.

Maybe up against Chaos of some flavour.

from a selfish point of view, SW's vs DE's as they are my two armies

Haddi wrote:

Generalstoner wrote:I'd love to see Guard and Eldar personally to highlight to different armies. However let's face it, it will always be Space Marines vs. ???

And one day the kit will be Space Marine vs. Space Marine. God, it'll probably be called Battle for Skulltown or something like that.

Battle of grog pass.

It will contain:

2 drunk captains (one puking, the other falling over)

20 disciplined marines
10 terminators
2 dreadnoughts with casks on their backs.
a rhino with a drinks machin in the back
and a drop pod that transformz into a bar.

IG vs Tyranids. Two horde armies, one shooting, one Close Combat.

IG:
Command Squad
20 Guardsmen
3 Heavy Weapon Teams (preferably Mortor or Heavy Bolter)
3 Sentinals

Tyranid:
Hive Tyrant.
30 Horma? Terma? Close combat gaunts.
3 Lictors.


Not exactly that, but something that makes IG want to hole up and the Nids to charge in. Something that makes them represent the hopeless, backs against the wall fighting nids feel.

IMO, In addition to the existing starter, they should make "scenario pack starters" where they'd bundle two fixed posed starter armies:

Battle for the Webway

Eldar:
Plastic Female Farseer
Plastic Guardians x10 w/ EML platform
Plastic Dire Avengers x5 w/ Shimmershield / Powersword Exarch
Plastic Wraithguard x5

Chaos:
Plastic Demon Prince
Plastic Thousand Sons w/ Sorceror x5
Plastic Summoned Daemons x10
Plastic Spawn

Terrain:
Plastic Webway portal Objective

Eye of the Swarm

Tyranids:
Plastic Broodlord
Plastic Genestealers x5
Plastic Genestealers x5
Plastic Termigaunts x10
Plastic Lictor x2

Imperial Guard:
Plastic Comissar w/ Powerfist
Plastic Guardsmen (Veterans) x10
Plastic Guardsmen (Veterans) x10
Plastic Ogryn x5

Terrain:
Tank Traps x3
Barricades x2

Captain Solon wrote:

Haddi wrote:

Generalstoner wrote:I'd love to see Guard and Eldar personally to highlight to different armies. However let's face it, it will always be Space Marines vs. ???

And one day the kit will be Space Marine vs. Space Marine. God, it'll probably be called Battle for Skulltown or something like that.

Battle of grog pass.

It will contain:

2 drunk captains (one puking, the other falling over)

20 disciplined marines
10 terminators
2 dreadnoughts with casks on their backs.
a rhino with a drinks machin in the back
and a drop pod that transformz into a bar.

I really wish they'd do tanks in the starter sets. I wants a leman russ or something. Even a cheap-o predator would make me happy (I have no predators, since they suck for chaos)

For me I like what they have been doing. I know this is your dream starter but really I would be more happy to see more people getting into the game then pleaseing just me. But really space marines vs anything would work well and sell good.

I wouldnt like a sm vs csm even though I play csm just cause it would just be the same stuff on both sides really.

I will admit though to xenos races in a starter would be pretty epic since this is gw and anything NOT sm is always a blast.

Tau vs necrons??

Guard vs Chaos Marines

I think Tau could be viable. Fire warriors, 3-part crisis suits, and hand full of kroot versus... tyranids?

Though 99% likelihood it will be SM vs xenos. (Although IG vs CSM would be a nice twist on the old SM vs flavor).

While I would LOVE an IG starter set, I think the problem is you need too many models for the points.

If the starter set doesn't have marines it they cant be gw poster boy, no 10 year olds will be starting with them!

how will gw make money then.......

Lord of battles wrote:If the starter set doesn't have marines it they cant be gw poster boy, no 10 year olds will be starting with them!

how will gw make money then.......

But if it was two horde armies, then all 10 year olds would get one of them, and GW would get even more money than
with Spess Mehreens!

Yak9UT wrote:IG vs Tau with 1 leman russ and 1 Hamerhead with 2 infantry and a HQ squad for both treams.

that would be awesome but saddly unlikely

QFT

^I agree but its always SM

I like the idea of multiple releases of starter armies... and if they were smart they could use them to pimp the release of new dex's, such as...

Eldar vs. Necrons
Sisters vs. Dark Eldar

and because we know they have have to have SM's in one...

SM vs. CSM

You're kind of playing up the traditional foes angle, though I'm just guessing at the sisters/dark eldar thing (they just seem to fit as adversaries).

To finish the pairings then... these are more for balance than tradition...

Orks vs. Nids
Tau vs. Guard

It's not like they really have to make new models for any of this (though they might), it's just re-packaging what they've produced already... and it would probably improve the overall meta game by diversifying the fan base for each army, increasing potential sales. Yes, the red-shirts will need to learn more rules... but is that a bad thing?


My totally biased, never going to happen, dream pairing would be Mantis Warrior SMs vs. Red Corsair CSMs. (a man can dream can't he?)

Let's see... assuming every single army gets a fifth edition codex first:

Grey Knights vs. Daemons

Guard vs. Orks

Tau vs. Tyranids

Space Marines vs. Dark Eldar

Eldar vs. Necrons

Sisters of Battle vs. Chaos Space Marines

Hi Gitsplitta
don't they adapt the figures though for the snap fit models in the starter sets?

I like the Tau/IG concept and might even be tempted by such a combo.

Also SoB/DE sounds good.

They should just do another DE v. SM. Hopefully DE will be coming out soon, so a Starter would help GW earn ALL that money back...

I'd rather they do something OTHER than another SM box set.... they already have enough of those around. If the next one HAS to include DE, DE vs. Guard could work.

Melissia wrote:I'd rather they do something OTHER than another SM box set.... they already have enough of those around. If the next one HAS to include DE, DE vs. Guard could work.

Yay, first post of yours I've seen in a couple days.

I like the sounds of Sisters vs. Chaos
Great way to introduce new Raptor Models (if GW choses to...)

keezus wrote:IMO, In addition to the existing starter, they should make "scenario pack starters" where they'd bundle two fixed posed starter armies:

Battle for the Webway

Eldar:
Plastic Female Farseer
Plastic Guardians x10 w/ EML platform
Plastic Dire Avengers x5 w/ Shimmershield / Powersword Exarch
Plastic Wraithguard x5

Chaos:
Plastic Demon Prince
Plastic Thousand Sons w/ Sorceror x5
Plastic Summoned Daemons x10
Plastic Spawn

Terrain:
Plastic Webway portal Objective

Eye of the Swarm

Tyranids:
Plastic Broodlord
Plastic Genestealers x5
Plastic Genestealers x5
Plastic Termigaunts x10
Plastic Lictor x2

Imperial Guard:
Plastic Comissar w/ Powerfist
Plastic Guardsmen (Veterans) x10
Plastic Guardsmen (Veterans) x10
Plastic Ogryn x5

Terrain:
Tank Traps x3
Barricades x2

I like this idea alot. Essentially these packs can still be aimed at new players/starting players but at the same time they wouldn't limit players to starting out with marines. A fan of chaos or eldar could buy the battle for the webway pack, paint up the models and play some 40k with a friend. Other miniture games like D&D have similiar scenario packs and it always wondered why GW never really did the same. Besides battle boxes and starter packs, there really isn't anything. A black crusade scenario pack would be epic.

Or for a more radical twist- SM vs Traitor Guard.

SM could be your basic tac squad, commander, terminators and some dread or perhaps a 1 piece drop pod.

Traitors could be 2 squads of traitor guard, 2 CSM champs, a CSM leader and a vehicle or 2 or 3 smaller vehicles.

Considering just how many figures they put in the most recent starter set and the nature of the different types, I would like to see Necrons. This could coincide with the release of a new necron codex and put many of the metal models into plastic, or even include a new model!

1 necron lord
10 necron warriors
5 plastic immortals
1 plastic tomb spyder

It is highly unlikely that GW would even not include Space Marines in the starter set, but for the "good guy" force, I would like to see Tau. I feel that they would be a great match-up, the oldest race vs the youngest race.

1 new plastic crisis suit in forge-world design for HQ
12 fire warriors
5 stealth suits
2-3 piranhas

But if there HAS to be spaz marines, why not a mixed imperial force?

1 Inquisitor lord
4 man retinue
10 cadians including an autocannon
10 man deathwatch team (space marines)
something new and awesome beyond my imagination from the inquisition codex!

Necron Vs DE.

Both armies deserve the love. Both armies are also quite distinctive so new players get experience with very different playstyles.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Melissia wrote:I'd rather they do something OTHER than another SM box set.... they already have enough of those around. If the next one HAS to include DE, DE vs. Guard could work.

Yay, first post of yours I've seen in a couple days.

Seems like something to be saved for PMs, that added nothing to the thread. Forum e-flirting is lame by the way.

On topic:

Multiple starters is the way to go. These would be cool:

SM v DE

CSM v Tau

Guard v Orks

G.knights v Chaos deamons

I really like the idea of Guard in a set. Cool models and fluff, and attractive to anyone who likes the idea of a "real army." That and GW would make a lot of money after because Guard armies are a wee bit expensive to start up.

BUT! I like the idea even more of Grey Knights vs. Daemons. Introduce it with the new Grey Knights Codex, and you still have Space Marines, but they're fighting a very unique army, each with their own fun special rules. Fluffwise? Awesome. Modelwise? Awesome. Gameplay? Awesome.

So my top picks...
1. Grey Knigts vs. Daemons
2. Imperial Guard vs. Tyranids (Guard would likely to have to with Sentinels for vehicles so they'd fit in the box. But multilasers are great for killing TMCs... Tyranids should have Hive Tyrant, Gaunts, Carnifex, and maybe some Hive Guard.)

Haddi wrote:For me, dream starter set would be Tau v. Tyranids.

Not for in game reasons, I just like that matchup a lot.

I second this. Especially since I play Tau and my li`l brother plays Tyranids.

I think a Tau v... Orks maybe.

Tau need a new codex, which will result in new models, so new players can get theyre hands on the dumbed-down versions of some new models from the starter set

No idea what specifically should be in it, definitely atleast 500 pts aside, with neither side being OP points and gear wise, and fit into FOC.

Well, the idea behind starter sets is to 1) sell the game to potential new players and 2) get said players comfortable with the rules. So, for example, two lesser-known (to non-players) armies like DE vs Necrons won't necessarily sell GW's product.

Here's a radical idea that nobody's thought of yet:

=I= vs SM

OH LORD THE IMPERIUM IS FIGHTING ITSELF OH NO

Specifically, Sisters versus Relictors to make it fluffy (potentially).

It's possible, and it's happened. And not only does it show off GW's poster boys yet again, it also snags the potential player, who read about how both of these factions are supposedly on the same side.

"They're fighting themselves? How does THAT work?"

It's fluffy, it's catchy, it's potentially a fun match.

I'd quite like a modular starter kit - you get the basic rules + templates/etc in a sealed plastic wrapper, then you get to pick a starter force from any 2 armies which would have 1 HQ, 2 troops and perhaps 1 FA and a HS choice each.

And you get a discount on buying the armies codex's with the starter set too, if they are not already included in the starter set.

Any black crusade scenario box would cost alot

cadian guard

vs

CSM

Dracos wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Melissia wrote:I'd rather they do something OTHER than another SM box set.... they already have enough of those around. If the next one HAS to include DE, DE vs. Guard could work.

Yay, first post of yours I've seen in a couple days.

Seems like something to be saved for PMs, that added nothing to the thread. Forum e-flirting is lame by the way.

On topic:

Multiple starters is the way to go. These would be cool:

SM v DE

CSM v Tau

Guard v Orks

G.knights v Chaos deamons

Okay? Do feel good about yourself? I was just happy to see him posting again, he's a valuable member of Dakka, and I look forward to reading his posts. Who cares if it adds nothing to the thread? Who the hell are you?

I can't imagine it would be too far off for GW to do Space Marines and Chaos Daemons. They're pretty evil...But they have relatively complicated rules....Maybe too much for a starter set.

I can't really imagine them doing SM vs. Eldar though...I think they want to portray Eldar as the lesser evil of the Xenos. In other words, the good guys, so I doubt they'd do eldar. Two good guys fighting might as well be marines v marines.

I'd like to think IG v Chaos woud be the next one, but I think i'm kidding myself if i think it wont include SM's

10 CSM's
5 Raptors
Deamon Prince

20 guardsmen
LRBT

If it had to be SM's I'd like SM's v Eldar

Looking at the way Privateer does it maybe this could make sense:

For each army have a starter box, fixed pose one piecers i.e.

Marines
2 Tac squads
1 Captain
1 Assault Squad

Tau
2 sqs Fire Warriors
1 Battle suit
Stealth suits

Orks
1 Warboss
30 Boyz
5 Nobz

Basically HQ 2 Troops and something else that only that army gets about 300 pts.

You sell this seperatly with a really striped down army list (i.e. stats and army special rules thats it)

Then you do a deal where you get any two of these, a bit of scenery and the mini rule book.

They'd get the needed mileage out of plastic kits and it would stop shoehorning newbies into the starter armies, they could actually go for what they think is cool.

Just my crazy scheme is all

Emmkay wrote:Looking at the way Privateer does it maybe this could make sense:

For each army have a starter box, fixed pose one piecers i.e.

Marines
2 Tac squads
1 Captain
1 Assault Squad

Tau
2 sqs Fire Warriors
1 Battle suit
Stealth suits

Orks
1 Warboss
30 Boyz
5 Nobz

Basically HQ 2 Troops and something else that only that army gets about 300 pts.

You sell this seperatly with a really striped down army list (i.e. stats and army special rules thats it)

Then you do a deal where you get any two of these, a bit of scenery and the mini rule book.

They'd get the needed mileage out of plastic kits and it would stop shoehorning newbies into the starter armies, they could actually go for what they think is cool.

Just my crazy scheme is all

Sounds good, but I was gonna say this is just like a small battleforce!

I was going to say, just point the newbie at their preferred army's battleforce and call it a day, but the poster above me beat me to it.

And that is why emmkay's idea isn't bad... it's just kind of already doable.

But expensive.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Mine would be....Chaos Space Marines and Eldar. A wraithlord, dire avengers and something else for the eldar (Maybe a plastic avatar and guardians), and a plastic Daemon Prince, Chaos Dreadnought, Chaos Marines and obliterators.

I would have to second this opinion.

*My* dream starter force? With no grounding in reality? Really?

Slann vs. Squats

They ticked me off when they dropped the Slann from 2nd edition, I had already converted an entire warband from WFB models. Then they really ticked me off when they dropped the Squats from 3rd edition, because I had a whole army by that time. Of course, there was a really nice Citadel Journal article nicely explaining how to use Codex: Orks to field your Squats in 3rd, so that worked for me for quite a while, but still...

Realistically, since Space Marines will *always* be there, I would like the aggressor force to be Eldar.

You know, fluff-wise, the Tyranids are becoming more of a threat, and the Third Expansion just happened, so Tau vs Tyranids would work nicely. Each of the previous starter sets has been in fluffy chronological order, more or less, so this makes sense.

And if there MUST be Spess Mehreens, they could do SM vs Tau - Third Sphere expansion had to have stepped on a few Imperial toes, or SM vs Nids, which just plain makes sense given the current galactic 'situation.'

Tau vs. Tyranids would be nice. A great way to get people who want to play Xenos into the hobby.

Every Starter set will be Space Marines against something, but I'd like to see the next ones being either Space Marines against Chaos, or Space Marines against Necrons(perhaps coinciding with a new codex?) Do one that hasn't been done yet, but are still bigger threats to humanity. Eldar and Tau are not the biggest threat to the Imperium right now, as one has fallen, and the other has not grown strong enough to be a major threat yet. But Chaos, and Necrons, they are both big threats, chaos corrupting and killing all of humanity, and Necrons awakening from their Tomb Worlds and exterminating all life. Not to mention the game play could be more inviting to new younger players, as both armies would have a comparable armour save(compared to a 3+ and 6+ in AOBR, little kids may consider that unfair, and that may be why most of the younger crowd start with Space Marines)

Marines [Raven Guard or Salamanders] vs
1] Tau
2] Dark Eldar

Thaanos wrote:Every Starter set will be Space Marines against something, but I'd like to see the next ones being either Space Marines against Chaos, or Space Marines against Necrons(perhaps coinciding with a new codex?) Do one that hasn't been done yet, but are still bigger threats to humanity. Eldar and Tau are not the biggest threat to the Imperium right now, as one has fallen, and the other has not grown strong enough to be a major threat yet. But Chaos, and Necrons, they are both big threats, chaos corrupting and killing all of humanity, and Necrons awakening from their Tomb Worlds and exterminating all life. Not to mention the game play could be more inviting to new younger players, as both armies would have a comparable armour save(compared to a 3+ and 6+ in AOBR, little kids may consider that unfair, and that may be why most of the younger crowd start with Space Marines)

Well, to be fair, it's also strongly implied that the Golden Throne is failing and something very, very bad is about to happen to the Imperium. By the time the next edition comes out, the Imperium may no longer be the prevalent power in the galaxy.

And the Tau are growing at such a rate that it may in fact be them ruling over a large portion of it.

So, Tau vs something might make sense in that context.

I have a feeling GW is getting tired of the Imperium being the unstoppable juggernaut it is, and is trying to find a way to fragment it more than it already is. The Emperor dying could be exactly that.

Thaanos wrote:Space Marines against Chaos

I hope you mean Chaos Daemons, in which case the space Marines shoiuld be Grey Knights (it's a sort of duh matchup)

If you mean Space Marines vs. Chaos Space Marines, then HELL THE FRAK NO.

Lost and the Damned vs. Ordo Hereticus

deathwing vs guard

I'd like to see Grey Knights vs Chaos Daemons.

GK's

1 GKGM

10 Grey Knights
3 GK Terminators
1 GK Dreadnaught
1 Rhino


Daemons

1 Edipemius
1 Demon Prince

15 Plaguebearers
15 Nurglings
3 Beasts of Nurgle

The sides might be uneven as is, but you get the jist of it.

Thunderfrog wrote:I'd like to see Grey Knights vs Chaos Daemons.

GK's

1 GKGM

10 Grey Knights
3 GK Terminators
1 GK Dreadnaught
1 Rhino


Daemons

1 Edipemius
1 Demon Prince

15 Plaguebearers
15 Nurglings
3 Beasts of Nurgle

The sides might be uneven as is, but you get the jist of it.

that'd only be good if the GK's had psycannons as well as a psycannon for the dreadnought

Indeed.

'Crons and Eldar, make a new Necron walker and that can be their vehicle.

Renagade guard vs guard

SaintHazard wrote:

Thaanos wrote:Every Starter set will be Space Marines against something, but I'd like to see the next ones being either Space Marines against Chaos, or Space Marines against Necrons(perhaps coinciding with a new codex?) Do one that hasn't been done yet, but are still bigger threats to humanity. Eldar and Tau are not the biggest threat to the Imperium right now, as one has fallen, and the other has not grown strong enough to be a major threat yet. But Chaos, and Necrons, they are both big threats, chaos corrupting and killing all of humanity, and Necrons awakening from their Tomb Worlds and exterminating all life. Not to mention the game play could be more inviting to new younger players, as both armies would have a comparable armour save(compared to a 3+ and 6+ in AOBR, little kids may consider that unfair, and that may be why most of the younger crowd start with Space Marines)

Well, to be fair, it's also strongly implied that the Golden Throne is failing and something very, very bad is about to happen to the Imperium. By the time the next edition comes out, the Imperium may no longer be the prevalent power in the galaxy.

And the Tau are growing at such a rate that it may in fact be them ruling over a large portion of it.

So, Tau vs something might make sense in that context.

I have a feeling GW is getting tired of the Imperium being the unstoppable juggernaut it is, and is trying to find a way to fragment it more than it already is. The Emperor dying could be exactly that.

once the 6th edition comes out and if most of the imperium has fallen I can see human hold outs in the galactic north=
starter set:
IG/SM vs CSM/Necrons

indiana1000 wrote:Renagade guard vs guard

Well, that'd be delightfully boring to assemble and paint, if not to play.

Are traitor/renegade Guard even in a codex? I've never seen them in one.


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raptor8 wrote:once the 6th edition comes out and if most of the imperium has fallen I can see human hold outs in the galactic north=
starter set:
IG/SM vs CSM/Necrons

Holdouts? Absolutely. A unified force? Not without Warp travel.

Though, that's why I said "fragmented," not "destroyed."

Necrons in a starter set wouldn't be bad... my only worry is that it wouldn't be interesting enough to paint to draw new players into the game. That's the wonderful thing about Space Marines, Orks, Eldar, Tau, and Tyranids. You've got a whole lot of awesome options for paint jobs and the opportunity to come up with your own if you're not happy with any of those. Necrons, to a much, much lesser degree.

That is why I do not have any Necrons.

Are they cool? Hell yes. Are they fun enough to paint that they'll draw in new players? Pft.

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Bottle wrote:Sisters of Battle vs Chaos Space Marines

Get John Blanche to do a front cover that's nothing but pure Grim Dark~

Coincide a new Witch Hunter/ Sisters of Battle codex with the release~

Perhaps the set will appeal to couples, dude gets the CSMs, Lady gets the Sisters. (Based 100% on the assumption that girls only like to play as SoB, but hey!?)

Set would consist of beautifully remodeled plastic sisters of battle, and would be the following:

SoB:

Captain & Retinue of crazy henchmen
2 squads of Sisters, 6 or so models
1 Immolator

CSM:

Sorcerer
2 squads of 5 marines
1 dreadnought

and the rest of the sprue space is devoted to as much cool gothic ruins they can fit in ^^

Something tells me that a starter set based on the assumption that all girls play Sisters and all guys want ultra-grimdarkness won't be as successful as GW might hope.

After all, look at previous starter sets. First impressions are lots of "Wow that looks cool." But with a fluffless rulebook and like two pages about each individual army... grimdark comes later.

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Bottle wrote:Everything you need to know about Grimdark would begin and end with John Blanche doing the front cover I think ;D


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oh, and my assumption for guys wasn't that they would want to be something like CSM, I figured they'd be happy to play as anything if their girlfriend was in on it too xD

Nahhhhh... I'm too much of a geek to play just any army just so I can get my girlfriend involved.

I've been trying for months to get her interested in 40k, but I will not go so far as to play what she wants me to play just so she'll join in!

'Course I may not be your average guy, so who knows.

Nids vs Necrons or Tau vs Space marines

I like SM versus CSM since that's what the origin of the Imperium fluff is all about anyways. Maybe call the set 'Heresy!' or something equally obvious.

AoBR was close. I would pay slightly more if I was a true beginner if it had actual playable armies and a army-list cost pamphlet included. Cardboard building rubble was a nice touch in 2nd ed. box. I'm sure people would pay $20 bucks more if it was an actual entirely self-contained game instead of just a jumping off point. Like Space Hulk is its own game, as was Necromunda and Blood Bowl. It would be kind of neat to get some very basic modelling supplies in there too.

Guitardian wrote:I like SM versus CSM since that's what the origin of the Imperium fluff is all about anyways. Maybe call the set 'Heresy!' or something equally obvious.

AoBR was close. I would pay slightly more if I was a true beginner if it had actual playable armies and a army-list cost pamphlet included. Cardboard building rubble was a nice touch in 2nd ed. box. I'm sure people would pay $20 bucks more if it was an actual entirely self-contained game instead of just a jumping off point. Like Space Hulk is its own game, as was Necromunda and Blood Bowl. It would be kind of neat to get some very basic modelling supplies in there too.

Well if GW ever needed an excuse to showcase Marines and nothing but Marines, there it is.

However, nothing but Marines makes for a very boring starter set.

That's why I like AoBR - it's a mixture of poster-boys and xenos, a small elite army versus a horde, jack-of-all-trades versus a heavily customizable army... it's the ideal mixture of the essence of 40k.

Marines versus Chaos Marines, though... would be a snoozefest.

The original "Space Marine" Epic Game was Marines vs Marines.

Anpu42 wrote:The original "Space Marine" Epic Game was Marines vs Marines.

And that's all fine and dandy, but I like to think 40k has evolved beyond that now.

Now GW has too many great options available to resort to Marines vs Marines to make sales.

indiana1000 wrote:Renagade guard vs guard

I second this. Imperial Guard vs Renegade PDF means that new players learn basic tactics and strategy as well as basic rules. Add in a "Renegade" plastic sprue and you can either have both a Loyalist and a Renegade army, or a big Loyalist army (trade the Renegade sprue to people going for the Renegade army). Call it a platoon or so each with company command squads, artillery (just a Heavy Mortar dismounted from a Griffin) and a psycker.

I just had a thought in another thread: It would be awesome if GW released a Daemon/Daemon Hunter starter set on Dec 22, 2012.

My dream set was already made. AoBR kicks ass!

Bottle wrote:SoB:

Captain & Retinue of crazy henchmen
2 squads of Sisters, 6 or so models
1 Immolator

... err, what? This isn't a legal list. Also, John Blanche is trash.

There is no "captain" in the codex... nor do Sisters have "crazy henchmen". Inquisitors do, but that is Inquisition, not Sisters (And therefor if you include them you are not playing a Sisters list). And Battle Sister Squads are 10 models minimum and would kinda suck with only six models (even with a 3+ save, they're still only GEQ in the majority of their stats).

i really think it should go into the order vs disorder concept with chaos (as the almost ultimate evil) against the imperial forcees. but i dont think the imperials should be marines, i think it should be IG since they are suppose to be much more numerous then space marines and are prob going to be the ones fighting any chaos assault.

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[snip] I'll leave this topic very much alone before it turns into yet another argument.

They aren't always depicted as having weird people follow them around. What they have, IF anyone follows them around, are priests and the frateris militia. Which should be brought back, I agree, but the legatine (the fluff's catch-all term for the Sisters' upper ranks) are guarded by the Celestians-- why would they need a bunch of unarmored, untrained, non-military zealots as bodyguards when they already have professional, skilled, trained, and highly elite soldiers in power armor doing it?

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Eldar

Orks

Just a change & I don't want ANY MeQs

SaintHazard wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:The original "Space Marine" Epic Game was Marines vs Marines.

And that's all fine and dandy, but I like to think 40k has evolved beyond that now.

Now GW has too many great options available to resort to Marines vs Marines to make sales.

EVOLVED??!!
Devolved. What happened to my overwatch, hidden units, declaring all fire before rolling, guess-range? oh yeah... 10 yr olds couldn't get the hang of it so they phased it out... What happened to consolodated army lists in one book so everybody had access to all info about enemies without having to buy a damn bookshelfs worth of codex? What happened to customizing weapon options on characters? Oh yeah... It's better to sell 12 different books with each new edition with dumbed down rules and dumbed down easy-to-sell no-brainer armies. I believe the word is 'Devolved'.

Marines vs. Marines is the basis of the Horus Heresy, which is the backbone of 40k fluff. Far from 'snooze'. I look at it like this: a viable Guard army needs tanks and numbers, so they won't fit in a box with everything else, same with Orks needing masses, Gaunt hordes needing MCs, etc. Marine vs Chaosmarine would need 22 figures plus throw in a dread or something else to give it personality and even out the points. That frees up space for a basic hobby knife, brush, basic color set, glue, flock, and some cardboard terrain. If anything it would boost sales because the armies would be legally playable, the gamer kid would have all his model tools available, and it would be two more or less evenly matched armies just with a few quirky differences.... like who gets the dread and sorceror versus who gets the speeder and scouts etc.

It would be better if the starter set was a true starter: 2 workable armies with a little character added in, a paint/modelling basics set, a little book of fluff, little consolodated rulebook, amry-list book for reference... AoBR was damn close but they forgot to give the Marines enough troops to make them rules-legal. It would have been better if they subbed scouts for the termies just to fill in that 2nd troop slot. (also the Marine army is about 100 points more than the orks)

Melissia wrote:

Bottle wrote:SoB:

Captain & Retinue of crazy henchmen
2 squads of Sisters, 6 or so models
1 Immolator

... err, what? This isn't a legal list. Also, John Blanche is trash.

There is no "captain" in the codex... nor do Sisters have "crazy henchmen". Inquisitors do, but that is Inquisition, not Sisters (And therefor if you include them you are not playing a Sisters list). And Battle Sister Squads are 10 models minimum and would kinda suck with only six models (even with a 3+ save, they're still only GEQ in the majority of their stats).

Derp, you beat me to it.

Lolwut? This list sucks anyway. I would do:

Cannoness
10 SoB
5 Seraphims
Exorcist

but you cant fit a full on tank in the basic box. just too big to fit an exorcist in a basic box unless you want one made of cardboard. which i guess is fine. they used to make 2D carboard orky dreads. why not go back to the old ways? If you want a starter game make it all-inclusive. If you want a bundle of cheap figs and a cheap mini rulebook get AoBR, but AoBR is far from a real 'starter' set for the game, more just a tool for vets to get a lot of cheap figs.

GW seem to have a policy against cardboard these days.
May be wrong but I the only card is likely to be the box.

Can't remember the source though.

Melissia wrote:Yes, I dare, because he can't draw/paint/whatever to save his life, especially not females. And with that, I'll leave this topic very much alone before it turns into yet another argument.

Threads you post in only become arguments because you post in them. You're even more pedantic than I am, and a lot more confrontational.

And I wouldn't want to live in a world where John Blanche wasn't making kickass artwork.

Guitardian wrote:but you cant fit a full on tank in the basic box. just too big to fit an exorcist in a basic box unless you want one made of cardboard. which i guess is fine. they used to make 2D carboard orky dreads. why not go back to the old ways? If you want a starter game make it all-inclusive. If you want a bundle of cheap figs and a cheap mini rulebook get AoBR, but AoBR is far from a real 'starter' set for the game, more just a tool for vets to get a lot of cheap figs.

I agree with this, to an extent. I really didn't learn too much from that scenario book, and they made me read trough the entire rulebook just to learn how to play (how dare they ). So yeah, it helps beginners, but it's probably just a way for vets to get a cheap dread and bulk orks

It's a good set though. The warboss has to be one of my favorite models, even though I don't play orks.


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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:GW seem to have a policy against cardboard these days.
May be wrong but I the only card is likely to be the box.

Can't remember the source though.

Yeah, they sold all their cardboard-making machines for more plastic-making machines. Not sure what's wrong with cardboard though. A rhino would be the easiest thing ever (six sides, that's it ) and those cardboard buildings my friend has are still holding up. Cardboard=winsboard

I would want
IG-500 Guant's Ghost's
HQ- 100 points
CCS
Colonel-Commissar Gaunt (pre Necropolis)
Doc Dorden (Medi pack)
Camo cloaks

Troops 280
Vet squad - 100 points
/w Forward Sentries

Vet Squad - 160 points
/w forward sentries, Gunnery ergeant Harker (Try again Bragg), flammer

Fast Attack -120
Scout Sentinel Squadron -120
/w 3 scout Sentinel and 3 Heavy Flamer

vs

any 500 point force

I want a force of the guys that inspired my to play IG in the first place.

Oh, and a hell of a lot of forest Terrain.

Guitardian wrote:
EVOLVED??!!
Devolved. What happened to my overwatch, hidden units, declaring all fire before rolling, guess-range? oh yeah... 10 yr olds couldn't get the hang of it so they phased it out... What happened to consolodated army lists in one book so everybody had access to all info about enemies without having to buy a damn bookshelfs worth of codex? What happened to customizing weapon options on characters? Oh yeah... It's better to sell 12 different books with each new edition with dumbed down rules and dumbed down easy-to-sell no-brainer armies. I believe the word is 'Devolved'.

Marines vs. Marines is the basis of the Horus Heresy, which is the backbone of 40k fluff. Far from 'snooze'. I look at it like this: a viable Guard army needs tanks and numbers, so they won't fit in a box with everything else, same with Orks needing masses, Gaunt hordes needing MCs, etc. Marine vs Chaosmarine would need 22 figures plus throw in a dread or something else to give it personality and even out the points. That frees up space for a basic hobby knife, brush, basic color set, glue, flock, and some cardboard terrain. If anything it would boost sales because the armies would be legally playable, the gamer kid would have all his model tools available, and it would be two more or less evenly matched armies just with a few quirky differences.... like who gets the dread and sorceror versus who gets the speeder and scouts etc.

It would be better if the starter set was a true starter: 2 workable armies with a little character added in, a paint/modelling basics set, a little book of fluff, little consolodated rulebook, amry-list book for reference... AoBR was damn close but they forgot to give the Marines enough troops to make them rules-legal. It would have been better if they subbed scouts for the termies just to fill in that 2nd troop slot. (also the Marine army is about 100 points more than the orks)

This comment is right on the money. A tank spam army like IG would be hard to do in a starter without making the cost and size of the starter box freaking huge. Nothing is more iconic than the Horus Heresy and there is enough differences model wise between the two sides to make them creatively different. The SM side for example could have tac marines, scouts and a cheap dread whereas the chaos side could have regular CSM, lesser daemons and a couple of plastic oblits. The SM side could have a Captain as a HQ wheras the Chaos side could have a Sorcerer. Both sides would be easy to play (3+ saves all round), easy to paint (MEQ are easy to paint) and both sides would be similar in point cost and ability.

Assuming how cost effective GW is, they could squeeze in extras like terrain, basic modelling tools like a knife or file and a basic paint and brush set. They can also save some paint and be fluffy at the same time by making it a Blood Angels vs Black Legion starter set.

THAT depends on who you ask. Personally, I find the Horus Heresy to be pretty boring, and the real iconic matchup of 40k to be Guard versus Orks. Mmm...

Melissia wrote:THAT depends on who you ask. Personally, I find the Horus Heresy to be pretty boring, and the real iconic matchup of 40k to be Guard versus Orks. Mmm...

Heretic.
Guard v. Orks is good, if not a little dry. I prefer Guard v. Nids, a little Starship Trooper (the movie) loving.

DEUS VULT wrote:

Melissia wrote:THAT depends on who you ask. Personally, I find the Horus Heresy to be pretty boring, and the real iconic matchup of 40k to be Guard versus Orks. Mmm...

Heretic.
Guard v. Orks is good, if not a little dry. I prefer Guard v. Nids, a little Starship Trooper (the movie) loving.

When ever some one pulls out Nids I actually pull out the Starship Troopers Mini's and just proxy everything. With their permission of course.

Well, I'm going to take it as a given that any starter GW makes is going to have Marines as the centerpiece, since they make so much money from the line. What would make sense to me, though, is to have some sort of bundle where you could get all the non-mini goodies from the box set (that is, the small rule book, templates, etc) separately. A new player may have no interest in playing Orks or SM, but they still need all of that stuff. That is where I was, so I had to resort to Ebay to get what I needed.

Really though, I think the idea of a 2-player box set is a bit absurd for a game that is as prevalent for 40k. My ideal set-up would be:

1. Make a separate hobby starter bundle with templates, tools, dice, etc.
2. Repackage the army boxes to be roughly the same in points (not model count!), and have them contain a legal playable force.
3. ????
4. Profit!

IG vs Chaos. Would make Deafeting the enemies of the Imperium would be introduced to beginners early in the hobby for them.

What is with you guys with the IG thing? No Way in hellhound you can make an IG starter set. There wont be any room in the box! I understand a lot of people like them, spam them, etc... but as the starter army? OK GW lets start making cardboard russ...? oh yeah make sure you get rid of fluff, enemies, terrain, anything remotely codex, so we can make sure we stuff 100 figures in the box.

Guard is great, I was a fan even back when they sucked, but I wouldn't wish it on a starter set.

My dream starter set is probably Necrons VS. Space Wolves.

Necrons: Dunno, probably a couple (4-5) wraiths, scarabs and a bunch of skelotobots. (and a necron lord if realistic)

Space Wolves: A squad of grey hunters/blood claws and long fangs. Give me a Wolf Lord or a Rune Priest and that would be cool

Guitardian wrote:What is with you guys with the IG thing? No Way in hellhound you can make an IG starter set. There wont be any room in the box! I understand a lot of people like them, spam them, etc... but as the starter army? OK GW lets start making cardboard russ...? oh yeah make sure you get rid of fluff, enemies, terrain, anything remotely codex, so we can make sure we stuff 100 figures in the box.

Guard is great, I was a fan even back when they sucked, but I wouldn't wish it on a starter set.

You don't need 100 figures. You can manage it with ~21 minimum and some artillery if you want. Not like Orks had much more and they're a horde army.

I want two armies that are the extreme of each other.

Tau and Khorne theme chaos marines.

Tau get all the guns and nifty tools. Chaos get lots and lots of axes, claws, teeth, etc. Each of these armies can be easy to play if they are set up right.

- Chaos can simplely be point and assault it.
- Chaos Lord with Mark of khorne + Daemon weapon
- 2 Sqauds of 7 Berzerkers
- Defiler (Can be broken down nice and compact)

- Tau can be point and shoot the crap out of it.
- Shas'O with plasma rifle, Missile Pod
- 2 Fire warrior teams of 8
- 2 Full plastic broadsides

It's true that we'll always have Space Marines in the starter set. But it might not be too much to ask for a different kind of Space Marine, at least.

I'd like to see Space Wolves versus Tau, (lets assume that Tau gets one of the last few codices of 5th) since they're my two favorite Armies that would be opposed. Plus Tau just don;t get a whole lot of love in the first place.

My current beef is that AoBR doesn't give you a legal army. Space Marines get 2 Elites, 1 HQ and one Troop. Not sure about Orks.

Space Wolves:
-10 Infantry models: Good for Wolf Guard, Blood Claws or Grey Hunters.
-New Bjorn Model: Since there's just a really old one, and he deserves it.
-2 Razorbacks with Lascannon/ TL Plasmagun: Since there's no model for that weapon.

I don't know what would be fair for Tau against that, but this would be cool. Assume the new Tau Codex makes things not suck as much.

Tau:
-Crisis Suit Commander: Knock out another hybrid kit.
-12 Infantry models: Firewarriors
-2 Pirhannas
-2 Broadsides
-Drones

Commander Endova wrote:Not sure about Orks.

Orks are legal in AoBR (1 HQ, 2 troops, 1 FA), depending on how you deploy your Boyz. Comes with 20 Boyz, which can be two units of ten each. Why you'd do that is a mystery, though, since any Boyz Mob needs to have at least 11 models, anyone not taking advantage of the Mob rule is a doofus.

Commander Endova wrote:Space Wolves:
-10 Infantry models: Good for Wolf Guard, Blood Claws or Grey Hunters.
-New Bjorn Model: Since there's just a really old one, and he deserves it.
-2 Razorbacks with Lascannon/ TL Plasmagun: Since there's no model for that weapon.

Tau:
-Crisis Suit Commander: Knock out another hybrid kit.
-12 Infantry models: Firewarriors
-2 Pirhannas
-2 Broadsides
-Drones

This is feasible, however you kind of have infantry matched here, but you gotta remember that FW are essentially GEq, so two squads of six GEq against two squads of five MEq is kind of unfair, I'd nix the Broadsides in favor of more troops. Maybe 2 squads of 10 FW. Especially since the Broadsides would demolish either Bjorn or the Razorbacks turn 1.

Space Hulk...
change the terminator serge with the thunderhammer into a Logan, 2 units of wolfguard, a lone wolf (the guy with lightning claws) and a librarian... legal army... versus as many genestealers as matches the points plus the big genestealer lord thing (I forget what they changed its name to).

Guitardian wrote:Space Hulk...
change the terminator serge with the thunderhammer into a Logan, 2 units of wolfguard, a lone wolf (the guy with lightning claws) and a librarian... legal army... versus as many genestealers as matches the points plus the big genestealer lord thing (I forget what they changed its name to).

Broodlord.

And that'd actually be pretty cool. I'd buy that set.

I think IG and ork would would be nice you could include a black library book cause all guard seem to fight in those are orks and then when new players go from the junk armor saves to a meq or monster creatures they would be far more wowed

Blood angels on cold ones...

I was thinking Dark Angels and Chaos Daemons...Maybe the angels will get a new codex soon.

Guitardian wrote:What is with you guys with the IG thing? No Way in hellhound you can make an IG starter set. There wont be any room in the box! I understand a lot of people like them, spam them, etc... but as the starter army? OK GW lets start making cardboard russ...? oh yeah make sure you get rid of fluff, enemies, terrain, anything remotely codex, so we can make sure we stuff 100 figures in the box.

Guard is great, I was a fan even back when they sucked, but I wouldn't wish it on a starter set.

You good sir, didn't see my list. Vet squads are the key.

You good sir, seem to forget, that while game viable and indeed a great idea to use vets as all your troop slots, it hardly gives a realistic picture of the spirit of the Guard. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... I'll send 'em to go fight orks at the far side of the galaxy and shoot them if they back off"

I would say anything but marines. Give the new people a new codex to use

Guitardian wrote:You good sir, seem to forget, that while game viable and indeed a great idea to use vets as all your troop slots, it hardly gives a realistic picture of the spirit of the Guard. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... I'll send 'em to go fight orks at the far side of the galaxy and shoot them if they back off"

Wait, we're going for capturing the spirit of starter armies now?

Enlighten me... how does 20 Boyz and a few Deffkoptas capture the "spirit" of an endless green ocean of Orks? How does 29 Ork models against 17 Marines capture the "spirit" of the typical 15-to-1 outnumbering Marines face?

A 500 point Guard army need not be more than around 25 models if done correctly. It would fit in the box easily (easier than larger SM models that fit fewer to a sprue!) and it would aid new players in learning to play IG. That's all it needs.

Dream set: eldar vs.guard. Just to highlight the differences between the 2, ones horde shooty, ones elite hybrid. It would be as such:. Eldar:. A dire avenger squad banshees (to explain power weapons) wraithlord w. Shurikien cannon, brightlance n 2.flamers a farseer w. Singing spear n pistol and I guess a guardian squad. Guard:a vet. Squad w. 2 plasma weapons. Command squad. S 10 man shock tropper. Maybe throw in a leman russ regluar or a closed-top senitel and a flacon. Gonna be a big box lol.

I would be happy if they just put an HQ in all of the battleforces that would be nice.

The Box set should include Mini rules, templates, dice, and some basic terrain. It should include, an Inquisitor lord, a SM Tac squad, and an IG vet squad. The other army should be, CSM. the CSM should Include Korn berserkers and Noise marines, and a generic chaos lord. It should be called.

16 Black Crusade.

FUUUUDGE! wrote: Dream set: eldar vs.guard. Just to highlight the differences between the 2, ones horde shooty, ones elite hybrid. It would be as such:. Eldar:. A dire avenger squad banshees (to explain power weapons) wraithlord w. Shurikien cannon, brightlance n 2.flamers a farseer w. Singing spear n pistol and I guess a guardian squad. Guard:a vet. Squad w. 2 plasma weapons. Command squad. S 10 man shock tropper. Maybe throw in a leman russ regluar or a closed-top senitel and a flacon. Gonna be a big box lol.

That's not a legal IG list, only one Troops choice. Stormtroopers are Elites.

Unless by "shock trooper" you mean regular infantry, in which case you can't just have a squad of 10. They come in infantry platoons which are, minimum, a platoon command squad and 2 infantry squads of ten men each.

Try CCS, 2 vet squads with a smattering of special weapons, 3 Sentinels.

versus

Farseer, 10 Guardians, 8 Dire Avengers, Falcon.

How bout this one:
a few paints, cardboard buildings, little bits of plastic terrain (like those Necromunda walls for instance), brush, knife.
mini-rulebook, mini-fluff book, mini armylist-book

SM:
captain
5 scouts
10 tactical
dread

CSM:
prince
10 tactical
10 beserkers

that stuff might actually fit in a SpaceHulk sized box.

Guitardian wrote:How bout this one:
a few paints, cardboard buildings, little bits of plastic terrain (like those Necromunda walls for instance), brush, knife.
mini-rulebook, mini-fluff book, mini armylist-book

SM:
captain
5 scouts
10 tactical
dread

CSM:
prince
10 tactical
10 beserkers

that stuff might actually fit in a SpaceHulk sized box.

That would work. I don't like the idea of CSM and SM in the same set, but that's just personal preference.

I like the idea of the mini-armylist book and mini-fluff book. Terrain is also important, teaches newbies about cover.

I was thinking the Prince for psyker and MC rules, the scouts for sniper rules, the tac for a bit of heavy-weapons plus the obvious dakka and rapid fire-ness, the berserkers for learning assault, the dread to teach AV and 'walker'. The only thing missing is a tank... but as has been pointed out earlier, they can't really fit a tank in the box. The only problem with the idea is that they are both 3+ save, 4-accross-the-board armies, so newbies would get used to the more elite models as the average even more than they do already. (How many smurf players at your FLGS? around 50% or more? well... it is to be expected...)

Guitardian wrote:I was thinking the Prince for psyker and MC rules, the scouts for sniper rules, the tac for a bit of heavy-weapons plus the obvious dakka and rapid fire-ness, the berserkers for learning assault, the dread to teach AV and 'walker'. The only thing missing is a tank... but as has been pointed out earlier, they can't really fit a tank in the box. The only problem with the idea is that they are both 3+ save, 4-accross-the-board armies, so newbies would get used to the more elite models as the average even more than they do already. (How many smurf players at your FLGS? around 50% or more? well... it is to be expected...)

0%.

Dream set?

SM vs DE

Dark Eldar need the love. Stuck in the closet so long, hearing the sound of fun just outside. Now, if they return to 6th edition, when we last saw them in 3rd, we would welcome them back. So White scars vs Dark eldar would be a fluffy match up, could teaach about turbo boosting and skimmers, and combined you can get almost every weapon type in the game with that box.

DE won't happen (I hope). I hope they will go the way of the squats as they have always seemed an embarrassment to the game in my opinion. It won't happen because they already got a starter set, as have orks and nids. Given the codex creep it is much more likely to have either space-wolves or blood angels... versus whatever Xeno or Chaos power gets the next Codex upgrade (oops... update). Marines aren't the hot topic any more since SW and BA got released. Blood Angels/Space Wolves versus an upgraded Eldar or Tau or Necron codex would be kind of cool (and we poor happy few Xenos will finally get the update we need) It's not likely to happen for the Eldar as a GW spokesperson already said that their 'new' Codex, as well as the 'new' Tau Codex are in fact the 5th ed. Codex (despite the fact that the 5th ed. rules made a lot of nerf for both of them). No love there. Necrons on the other hand....?

Haddi wrote:

Generalstoner wrote:I'd love to see Guard and Eldar personally to highlight to different armies. However let's face it, it will always be Space Marines vs. ???

And one day the kit will be Space Marine vs. Space Marine. God, it'll probably be called Battle for Skulltown or something like that.

Badab War boxed set. It would detail one battle between some of the traitors and the loyalists, so it would have specific sculpted shoulder pads. If this ever happened I would love to see Lamenters as one.
And it would have each chapter master as detailed in the badab war PDF 'dex.

SM vs Tau
dreadnought vs battlesuit

NewGuyWhoDontKnowAnything wrote:SM vs Tau
dreadnought vs battlesuit

Um.

I assume this pairing is in addition to some infantry, an HQ, and two more battlesuits, right?

The day we see a starter kit come with nothing but a single Dreadnought and a single Battlesuit, we'll know that 1) GW just doesn't give a gak anymore, but 2) they still love Space Marines!

Guitardian wrote:You good sir, seem to forget, that while game viable and indeed a great idea to use vets as all your troop slots, it hardly gives a realistic picture of the spirit of the Guard. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... I'll send 'em to go fight orks at the far side of the galaxy and shoot them if they back off"

Actually vets are pefectly fluffy. A vet-based army is representative of sending a detachment.

Melissia wrote:

Guitardian wrote:You good sir, seem to forget, that while game viable and indeed a great idea to use vets as all your troop slots, it hardly gives a realistic picture of the spirit of the Guard. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses... I'll send 'em to go fight orks at the far side of the galaxy and shoot them if they back off"

Actually vets are pefectly fluffy. A vet-based army is representative of sending a detachment.

There's also my point regarding this, which he failed to address, but that's okay.

Mn.

Using detachments together is the basis for all Guard activities. In order to form a task force-- say, to take a hill the enemy is on, for example-- an Imperial Guard General would take elements from an Infantry Regiment, an Armored Regiment, and fire support from an Artillery regiment, and assign them each under the command of the general he/she trusts the most to get the job done.

Which ratios the general uses for their task forces (how much infantry, mechanized, armored, airborne, artillery, etc.) depends on what's available and the needs of the mission. So to defend a position, the commander would probably use more infantry and artillery, while to attack they'd probably use more armor.

How often do starter sets get released ?

From my guess? Once an edition at most.

I think Macragge was around for a good 5 years or so, if not more. I know it was around when I got back in which was about 5 years ago. Blackreach has been here only about 2 or 3 years so far. Before Macragge the 3rd ed. set (which I slept through) had a really long haul too. We're not likely to see one any time soon unless GW gets a move on updating all the races Codex... then as soon as you get your shiney new Codex, they'll change the rules again and start the cycle all over again. This pattern of game design timing seems to have worked for them so far.

The third edition one, IIRC, was dark eldar versus marines, or something to that effect.

Melissia wrote:The third edition one, IIRC, was dark eldar versus marines, or something to that effect.

correct if GW does go SM vs DE with out updating the DE codex. and if the do go SM v DE that just shows what GW will do for all starter sets

Well, it may not be realistic, but since we're talking about -dream- sets, I'd pick Witch Hunters and Chaos Daemons above all

--- Dreg

^deamon hunters would make alot more sense vs deamon than witch hunters


TBH I would like to see a IG vs tyranid starter set

Really? Macragge lasted that long? That's crazy. That set was, IMO a piece of crap. They gave you almost no models, and they filled the rest of the box with those enourmous terrain pieces, which are useless for cover, since they're too short.

Black reach is a good set, but it could've been better if the orks were positioned more naturally and if the dreadnought was at a more "battle-ready" position (the AoBR dread is boring, he's just standing straight ahead).

Honestly, I could think of a bunch of different armies for orks and marines.

Marines:
Chaplain with plasma pistol
5 scouts, sniper rifles (just to mix it up and learn the rules)
10 marines, veteran with power sword
5 assault marines with one power sword and plasma pistol
Techmarine and thunderfire cannon (to learn the rules)

Orks:
Big mek with bosspole
x3 bikers with whatever on them
20 boys
x3 killa kans
something else, maybe meganobs or lootas or something.

Cardboard bunker
Citadel trees
Rulebook, fluff, blah,blah

Deffkoptas are cool, but bikes are cooler, since people always want a way to get cheaper bikes.
The dreadnought and terminators were a waste of points, IMO. Two elites choices is dumb under 1000 points, especially when you don't have 2 troops.

raptor8 wrote:^deamon hunters would make alot more sense vs deamon than witch hunters


TBH I would like to see a IG vs tyranid starter set

Personally, I'd rather see IG versus Orks. That's what defines 40k to me.

I'd like to see a starter set without any miniatures at all. Wait...wait...hear me out...

For 6th edition, it should be 3 separate "starter sets":

Minimalist: Just the rules, the big heavy book.

Starter Set for New Players I: Something like AoBR w/ 2 races (Say Eldar and Tyranids, those would be easiest to do probably)

Starter Set for Established Gamers w/ Armies: A set for players who want to play an army other than the races featured in the Starter Set or already have miniatures. The expansion set is set at the same price point as the first starter set, but instead of miniatures, it includes terrain like Cities of Death style buildings and plastic craters. This would be good for people who usually game at an FLGS but want to start hosting games at home and need terrain.

Melissia wrote:

raptor8 wrote:^deamon hunters would make alot more sense vs deamon than witch hunters


TBH I would like to see a IG vs tyranid starter set

Personally, I'd rather see IG versus Orks. That's what defines 40k to me.

ood point and that I think is most common match up in 40k

So basically instead of just a starter set, you want a condensed rulebook (not likely), an actual starter set, and a terrain set.

Melissia wrote:So basically instead of just a starter set, you want a condensed rulebook (not likely), an actual starter set, and a terrain set.

No.

I want a RULEBOOK. Not condensed. What part of "Big heavy book" made that seem condensed?

The "Terrain set" would be sold at the same pricepoint as the "actual starter set", the only difference being it contains terrain exclusively, templates, and the red measuring sticks. That's it. Because I wouldn't buy a "starter set" for 6th edition as I already have enough minis, but if it included terrain and the rules in a smaller book like AoBR, I would spend the money on it.

They already sell the full rulebook, and they're not gonna stop doing that (duh), so I assumed you were talking about something... you know... actually different, and relevant... like them selling a condensed rulebook which is nothing but the rules, no fluff or hobby section (unlikely to happen I think, but I know people who'd definitely like that).

Dark Eldar versus Tyranids

Meh, just stick a character in the Battleforces/Battalions.

But for a starter? A better Marines V Tyranids, that isn't stacked in the Marine's favor. So like, 1 Tactical, a Dread with Assault Cannon, Captain, and 5 Assault Marines.

'Nids could have a Hive Tyrant, 15 Termigaunts, 12 Genestealers, and 3 Warriors.

Wait, have GW ever released a starter set that wasn't biased towards Marines?

I never bought it, but wasn't Maccragge pretty even?

Chaos Vs anything just because i want more chaos

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

Melissia wrote:So basically instead of just a starter set, you want a condensed rulebook (not likely), an actual starter set, and a terrain set.

No.

I want a RULEBOOK. Not condensed. What part of "Big heavy book" made that seem condensed?

The "Terrain set" would be sold at the same pricepoint as the "actual starter set", the only difference being it contains terrain exclusively, templates, and the red measuring sticks. That's it. Because I wouldn't buy a "starter set" for 6th edition as I already have enough minis, but if it included terrain and the rules in a smaller book like AoBR, I would spend the money on it.

I believe he was talking to me, actually

I don't think it's unreasonable to throw in the cardboard buildings. The trees are really small, they'd fit no problem.

If the set really came with all the stuff I listed, I'd be more than happy to spend a lot of money on it (ie,more than 90$). I own barely any terrain, I'd be happy to get some with the models.


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battle Brother Lucifer wrote:I never bought it, but wasn't Maccragge pretty even?

It was roughly even, but it barely had any models in it. It had like 25 tyranids and only 10 marines. The set seem to really just be a spotlight for the tyranids, which had actually useful stuff.

Samus, I see what you're saying. Second edition came with a ton of cardboard terrain, whereas Third was the first to come with plastic terrain in the starter set. The problem was, you didn't really get enough. You got two pieces of 90 degree ruined building, a couple tank traps, and a tree sprue. This isn't really enough to play a proper game. What I'd really like to see is a starter set, minus all of the miniatures (for those of us who don't, and never will, play Dark Eldar or Space Marines, in the case of 3rd edition...), but with REAL terrain. Some Cities of Death stuff, the new trees, stuff like that.

I truly believe that the reason that most new players end up choosing Space Marines is because they end up with all of the minis when they buy the boxed set, and nearly every starter set has come with Space Marine minis. I missed out on 4th edition, but 2nd, 3rd, and 5th (if you count AoBR as a starter set) all contained Space Marines. By including only the rulebook and the terrain, you're increasing your target audience. Now it's marketed towards new players who may not want one of the two races featured in the set, but also to veteran players who could always use a little bit more terrain.

I don't know, I'd rather have a ton of terrain than another damn Tactical Squad.

Guardsmen Hoard vs Ork Hoard. win.

Modular starter set

you have different "sections" that you can combien together for example

army 1: a starter army for the first chosen race
army 2: a starter army for the second chosen race
terrain 1: a bundle of COD/planetstrike style terrain
terrain 2: a set of "wilderness terrain" (trees hills etc.)
the rules: all of the books, dice templates a tape measure, not a whippy stick

basically you select any three of the five as your set so it caters for old and new players, your a begginer army 1&2 plus the rules, your a vet pick up the new rules plus some terrain, maby an expansion to your army

then everybody was happy

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Modular starter set

you have different "sections" that you can combien together for example

army 1: a starter army for the first chosen race
army 2: a starter army for the second chosen race
terrain 1: a bundle of COD/planetstrike style terrain
terrain 2: a set of "wilderness terrain" (trees hills etc.)
the rules: all of the books, dice templates a tape measure, not a whippy stick

basically you select any three of the five as your set so it caters for old and new players, your a begginer army 1&2 plus the rules, your a vet pick up the new rules plus some terrain, maby an expansion to your army

then everybody was happy

And of course offer all five to the ambitious new player, for a nominal fee.

SaintHazard wrote:

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Modular starter set

you have different "sections" that you can combien together for example

army 1: a starter army for the first chosen race
army 2: a starter army for the second chosen race
terrain 1: a bundle of COD/planetstrike style terrain
terrain 2: a set of "wilderness terrain" (trees hills etc.)
the rules: all of the books, dice templates a tape measure, not a whippy stick

basically you select any three of the five as your set so it caters for old and new players, your a begginer army 1&2 plus the rules, your a vet pick up the new rules plus some terrain, maby an expansion to your army

then everybody was happy

And of course offer all five to the ambitious new player, for a nominal fee.

What, no if you want all five you have to buy two boxes, obviously

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Samus, I see what you're saying. Second edition came with a ton of cardboard terrain, whereas Third was the first to come with plastic terrain in the starter set. The problem was, you didn't really get enough. You got two pieces of 90 degree ruined building, a couple tank traps, and a tree sprue. This isn't really enough to play a proper game. What I'd really like to see is a starter set, minus all of the miniatures (for those of us who don't, and never will, play Dark Eldar or Space Marines, in the case of 3rd edition...), but with REAL terrain. Some Cities of Death stuff, the new trees, stuff like that.

I truly believe that the reason that most new players end up choosing Space Marines is because they end up with all of the minis when they buy the boxed set, and nearly every starter set has come with Space Marine minis. I missed out on 4th edition, but 2nd, 3rd, and 5th (if you count AoBR as a starter set) all contained Space Marines. By including only the rulebook and the terrain, you're increasing your target audience. Now it's marketed towards new players who may not want one of the two races featured in the set, but also to veteran players who could always use a little bit more terrain.

I don't know, I'd rather have a ton of terrain than another damn Tactical Squad.

Necromunda managed to fit a cross between cardboard and plastic terrain in with enough figures to legally play the game on a decent board, as did space hulk. Screw little trees and stuff they take up too much room and, seriously folks, if you can't figure out cheap ways to make terrain (i.e. spraypaint and glue on household junk or backyard sticks n stones) you really shouldn't be modelling anything in the first place. Pick a twig off a nearby bush and sprah it with flock and shelac, stick it in a lump of flocked playdough and you got a nice tabletop tree. They don't need to include trees in the set... too much space... and anyone can make their own trees. Cardboard terrain like 2nd ed. would be a nice thing to bring back. Yeah it's just silly cardboard buildings (they also had a cardboard oky dread) but that at least gets noobies into ideas of how to construct their own. Oh... wait... never mind... that would reduce the amount of redundant city ruin sets they can sell.

A Horus Heresy Starter Set.
To make it realistic it could jus be a squad each of the big players in the Heresy. Id also like a couple throw back (pre-Heresy) armor sets.

nids vs orks cause i like both

Grey Knights vs LATD

realistically?

Space Marines vs CSM

Assuming SM as one of the armies, which makes sense, you're really pretty restricted in the options for the other force. It shouldn't be chaos (meq on meq), IG/inquisition (imperium civil war), and shouldn't be other marines (boring).

that leaves Necrons, Tau, Orks, DE, Eldar,Nids, and Demons. Demons are a little too wacky with their rules, and Necrons are also MEQs. Personally, I like Orks or Nids as the bad guys. Very different from Marines, have a diverse range they can use, horde v. elite, all that.

If we're allowed to pull marines out, I think that there are ton of cool options, like Sisters v. Chaos or IG v. Eldar. I just don't think leaving Marines out of the box is in any way a viable option.

Polonius wrote:Assuming SM as one of the armies, which makes sense, you're really pretty restricted in the options for the other force. It shouldn't be chaos (meq on meq), IG/inquisition (imperium civil war), and shouldn't be other marines (boring).

that leaves Necrons, Tau, Orks, DE, Eldar,Nids, and Demons. Demons are a little too wacky with their rules, and Necrons are also MEQs. Personally, I like Orks or Nids as the bad guys. Very different from Marines, have a diverse range they can use, horde v. elite, all that.

If we're allowed to pull marines out, I think that there are ton of cool options, like Sisters v. Chaos or IG v. Eldar. I just don't think leaving Marines out of the box is in any way a viable option.

Daemons are also arguably MEqs. Statlines are a little wonkier but if you take all four basic Troops and average out their stats you'll get an MEq.

And I see no issue with an Imperial civil war... especially since there are whispers of the Golden Throne failing. By next edition, the Emperor could be dead, and at that point I'd say anything goes.