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The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 18:45:02


Post by: Saldiven


From Scryer in the Darkness on Warseer:

OOH! Guess what I have in the latest product list!?!

:drooling-smiley-if-we-had-one:
__________________

I'll give ya a clue, it's Dark and it's got pages.


Right, well my eyes are now rolling with code like The Matrix, but here's the result barring any last minute additions/subtractions:

Codex
3 metal blisters
3 metal boxes
6 plastic boxes


Harry on Warseer adds:

It is a MONSTER first wave.

BRING IT ON!

The 2nd wave is well on the way too ... and a 1.5 Wave is done.


http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265521&page=13


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 19:31:50


Post by: Brother SRM


Harry says November.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 19:34:52


Post by: mikhaila


November of what year?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 19:39:47


Post by: BrookM


This year, positive.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 20:17:17


Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin


Would be a good time if true, mainly it will save me pondering on what to get the other half for xmas.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 20:22:15


Post by: Infneon


mikhaila wrote:November of what year?
This made me laugh Got a buddy who's got fed up waiting and boxed his DE and started some Chaos so he'll be glad to hear some good news


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 22:17:47


Post by: Wolf


Harry lies ! Nah I hope it is true I'd love to see some new releases that aren't space marines.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 23:03:30


Post by: Archonate


Wolf wrote:I'd love to see some new releases that aren't space marines.

Very true. I think we can all agree that we've already got enough space marines to last us through 6th edition.

Finally another GEQ army. November can't come soon enough... Now where are the leaks of model pics?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 23:04:41


Post by: Kroothawk


Some more tidbits:
According to Avian, wave 1.5 in January, wave 2 in March.

Some older rumours:
Splinter rifle stats:
Yakface wrote:The actual stats are as follows:

All poisons are 4+
Splinter Rifle 24" SX, AP5, Rapid Fire, Poisoned.
Splinter Carbine 18" SX, AP5, Assault 3, Poisoned.
Splinter Cannon 36" SX, AP5, Assault 4, or Heavy 6 Poisoned.

reds8n wrote:I did hear something odd t'other week about them having "special" poisoned weapons -- at least fluff wise -- which had a normal S score but then got a reroll to wound. Poisoned lite I guess ? *shrugs* Not terribly convinced by that, not least as Mr. Kelly -- bless him -- tends to stick more to existing USRs and the like.


Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

Obvious candidates for miniatures (not confirmed):
Warriors (plastic)
Wyches (plastic)
Raider/Ravager (plastic)
Jetbike (plastic, also usable as CW Eldar jetbike?)
Talos (rumoured to be bigger)

In the long run we also need Scourges, Hellions, Mandrakes, Grotesques 8if they fit the new background?), Incubi, Haemonculus, characters and room for new units (more skimmers?).

According to Harry, the old warrior concept was at the start and mutated a bit during development, but I attached it for convenience.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:After seeing (some) of the warriors that were assembled from the new DE warrior sprue (I did not see the bits on the sprue) last weekend and having been given the all clear to talk about them by my source:

Best start point is to use this pic as a reference.



The warriors are not striding forward and hunched over like they are about to tip over- legs are laid out in a wide stance and the models are much, much better proportioned than the old ones, so no more legs that go all the way up and tiny torsos.
Helmets and non helmeted heads included.
Non helmeted head has a high ponytail.
Ribs/shards of bone poke through loincloths and the ponytail.
The helmets are pretty much identical to the above pic, but with lumps/gems over the ears/temples.
From behind the helmets look exactly like eldar guardian ones.
There is a gem/soulstone on the left chest armour- not the shoulder armour piece as per the above pic.
This is where you have to use your imagination as the pic doesn't show it: On the back there is a backpack that looks like it started as an eldar backpack but does not stick out as far, has vestigal 'vanes' compared to the eldar one (so doesn't stick up above the shoulder) and most excellently down the centre of the backpack, it is recessed with scaled armour over the spine (triangular scales with points downwards)
A high collar that flanges out
Rifle is almost exactly the same as the pic for the base model, even down to the jagged bit that pokes up in front of the warriors abdomen in the pic. There is a variant with what looks to be crossbow arms sticking out laterally (ends up looking like a mini anchor)
Attachable Loincloths (variable designs) One has a skull, one a hook on them.
As per the pic, greaves over the lower legs, then knee pads and scales over the upper legs, with points upwards.
Knife scabbard, 2 'rods' and 2 small sachels on the 'utility belt' posteriorly
Blades of differing lengths and size on various armour parts, primarily lower legs and shoulder pads.
Curved knife HW available.
Attachable blades for the end of splinter rifle.






The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/18 23:08:12


Post by: A Black Ram


I really hope dark eldar get an update in my lifetime..


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 00:09:27


Post by: Alpharius


They will, to the point of it happening this year.

So, I guess that means, they will, if you live for a few more months - which, of course, I hope you do!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 00:09:30


Post by: The Night Stalker


Man I hope this is not just all speculation. DE need an update.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 00:35:41


Post by: Brother SRM


I talked to a friend of mine who's played with the playtest codex. Grain of salt, but here's what I recall:

- A very elite army. WS, BS, and I of 5 are all pretty much standard.
- Very fragile army, with T3 and 5+ saves everywhere, but Incubi still have power armor. From this standpoint things are generally unchanged, but weak invulnerable saves are present in units
- Combat drugs have just been boiled down to furious charge
- 2 kinds of Wyches - one on hoverboards/bikes, one on foot
- Poison everywhere, 4+ generally, yadda yadda
- Talos are in and still Monstrous Creatures

Nothing he told me was especially shocking, and it all sounded similar to rumors I've read and the current codex. Nice to have more confirmation though.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 01:17:30


Post by: Kirasu


GW sure does have a lot of leway with the new DE codex.. They dont even have to produce models for every unit since they could simple drop the unit.. and since all the models were so horrible no one would really miss whatever unit was dropped


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 02:48:48


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


That's a shame, fans resoundingly rejected the DE years ago, I would hope GW would know better than to throw good money after bad.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 02:54:47


Post by: catharsix


Kid_Kyoto wrote:That's a shame, fans resoundingly rejected the DE years ago, I would hope GW would know better than to throw good money after bad.


Well 京都先生, maybe they were just rejecting the horribly pug-fugly model range, and not the line as such. Persoanally, I am not a fan of either (I think the fluff is so perposterously inane that I just can't swallow it) but with some high-quality models, of which GW is certainly capable, perhaps fans might reconsider their avoidance of this line.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 03:01:24


Post by: Kirasu


To be fair to kyoto.. the codex was a total mess and waste of space as well.. It speaks volumes that they had to release a SECOND edition of the book that "added" in options instead of the whole book being basically barren and devoid of ideas

Even when it was released the updated codex had very few useful units and the army was already pigeon holed to raider spam

Bad models + no creativity + poor codex = DOA (not to mention total lack of fluff for a new army as well)

I hope GW atleast puts more effort into the next DE book as I put into my narrative apoc games

Whoever planned the last few years of releases wasnt very bright.. All of the big sellers went first and will be followed by DE, ogres, tomb kings and maybe necrons/grey knights? I can only assume someone at GW wants the stock to tank and then scoop up the remains :p



The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 03:04:55


Post by: catharsix


Kirasu wrote:To be fair to kyoto.. the codex was a total mess and waste of space as well.. It speaks volumes that they had to release a SECOND edition of the book that "added" in options instead of the whole book being basically barren and devoid of ideas

Even when it was released the updated codex had very few useful units and the army was already pigeon holed to raider spam

Bad models + no creativity + poor codex = DOA (not to mention total lack of fluff for a new army as well)

I hope GW atleast puts more effort into the next DE book as I put into my narrative apoc games



Ah, I didn't know about the rules, since I've never played them (and only played aaginst them once)

Certainly, if the rules are bad, then even good models may not redeem them. Of course, if the models are really good, you could make them stand-ins for Eldar (though the Eldar already have such nice models, that I'd probably just stick with them)


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 03:18:36


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


It's odd to me though that GW is happy to toss out RT and 2nd edition ideas that didn't work out but somehow the Elfs who are Dark and Also in Space and Into S&M but in a PG13 Sort of Way are sacred and deserving of a fully relaunch.

Sniff... I just want my Genestealer cults and Lost and Damned, then GW can put all the resources they want into Dark Space Elfs or whatever...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 03:23:06


Post by: idget


Too bad that GW just announced more High Elf minis and LOTR stuff too.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 06:58:52


Post by: Archonate


I used to get so excited about every tiny hint about DE. I would hungrily scour the internet and enthusiastically read about and contribute ideas about how DE might be changed or improved.

After so many years of legitimate pleas bouncing off GW's unimaginative, SM-encrusted minds, now when I hear DE news, I can't help but heave a deep sigh of apathy. It's not that I don't believe these rumors. I'm sure we'll see DE before the year is out and they'll be amazing. But the enthusiasm is gone. As a formality, I'll probably buy the codex out of curiosity. If GW is lucky, the new codex will inspire me to purchase their inevitably over-priced product.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 11:41:10


Post by: reds8n


I've changed the thread title somewhat, even though I suspect it might be a while before we start to see or get anything concrete, otherwise we'd know what we wanted and etc etc ad nauseum. Hopefully this will perhaps mean we won't have 4 threads a day on or about this topic.

...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 14:08:26


Post by: Alpharius


I know we won't.

Or if we do, we won't.

(Wink wink!)


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 14:50:36


Post by: Rymafyr


Archonate wrote:I used to get so excited about every tiny hint about DE. I would hungrily scour the internet and enthusiastically read about and contribute ideas about how DE might be changed or improved.

After so many years of legitimate pleas bouncing off GW's unimaginative, SM-encrusted minds, now when I hear DE news, I can't help but heave a deep sigh of apathy. It's not that I don't believe these rumors. I'm sure we'll see DE before the year is out and they'll be amazing. But the enthusiasm is gone. As a formality, I'll probably buy the codex out of curiosity. If GW is lucky, the new codex will inspire me to purchase their inevitably over-priced product.


My sentiments exactly. However, I know I will not be 'inspired' to buy GW's overpriced product.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 14:57:03


Post by: Beast of Nurgle


I'm really hoping that the new warriors plastics follow the SW vein and give you TONS of heas and such- I'm been gathering up Eldar Gaurdian sprues in hopes of mixing and matching in order to stretch the wallet building a DE force.....

Also- if there are Wytch plastics, I really hope they aren't sanitized PC-sculpted like that ugly-*** Demonettes are now.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 15:25:34


Post by: Alpharius


You might be disappointed there, BoN.

Still, GW is rather schizophrenic when it comes to the 'naughty models', so I suppose there's... hope?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 15:26:33


Post by: Kroothawk


Another tidbit by Scryer:
One more thing to add, now that I've had a chance to comb through all the specialty item codes... one of them has a Dark Eldar prefix.

Specialty items are wide and varied and range from things like limited edition dice sets, basing kits, resin markers, templates and things like the L.O.S Marker Light, but they all carry non-army-specific prefixes. The only army-specific specialty item product code that springs to mind in recent memory (though I'm sure there's been others) is the resin Ork Barricades set.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 15:35:10


Post by: Beast of Nurgle


Alpharius wrote:You might be disappointed there, BoN.

Still, GW is rather schizophrenic when it comes to the 'naughty models', so I suppose there's... hope?


Oh I know we won't get anything like the old Demonettes- what I HOPE is no one goes "wait.. models in bikini-like outfits with whips? oh no.. too risque" and we end up with fully robed DE with short blunt sticks or something!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 15:50:18


Post by: Melissia


A pity, as those daemonettes looked much better than the current line of "nurgle banged my daughter" daemonettes.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 18:03:53


Post by: Alpharius


Heh - well put!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 18:19:27


Post by: Kirasu


Beast of Nurgle wrote:
Alpharius wrote:You might be disappointed there, BoN.

Still, GW is rather schizophrenic when it comes to the 'naughty models', so I suppose there's... hope?


Oh I know we won't get anything like the old Demonettes- what I HOPE is no one goes "wait.. models in bikini-like outfits with whips? oh no.. too risque" and we end up with fully robed DE with short blunt sticks or something!


Oh we'll get them.. just like the current models except they are MEN in bikinis and/or halter tops with whips.. Not sure who thought it was modeling genius to give us awfully sculpted elf men in thongs or topless with bondage gear


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 19:08:28


Post by: Alpharius


I hope that they're not involved in DE 2.0.

In fact, I don't think Jes Goodwin would do that to us.

Would he?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 19:22:39


Post by: lord_blackfang


Beast of Nurgle wrote:Also- if there are Wytch plastics, I really hope they aren't sanitized PC-sculpted like that ugly-*** Demonettes are now.


You think a one-breasted hermaphrodite in a corset is more sanitary than a naked female?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 19:27:19


Post by: Alpharius


Hey!

Different strokes for different folks!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 19:36:56


Post by: Lord_Astaroth


lord_blackfang wrote:
Beast of Nurgle wrote:Also- if there are Wytch plastics, I really hope they aren't sanitized PC-sculpted like that ugly-*** Demonettes are now.


You think a one-breasted hermaphrodite in a corset is more sanitary than a naked female?



No...no...no...no. There's is nothing sanitary about that.

On a side note, I'm not excited like I was a few months ago, and as of right now I'm not interested in picking up more minis. I certainly am interested in getting the codex if nothing else.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 19:38:16


Post by: Fishboy


I am one of the few I guess that like the new Daemonette models. I feel much more secure having them up on my army display case with my 2 daughters around. Then again I am in the USA so boobs are not as well accepted in the open as I hear they are in europe. I think the Wyches will be much better represented this time around instead of last time....like many others when I did my wych cult I got very tired painting up guys junk....


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 19:39:23


Post by: robertsjf


lord_blackfang wrote:
Beast of Nurgle wrote:Also- if there are Wytch plastics, I really hope they aren't sanitized PC-sculpted like that ugly-*** Demonettes are now.


You think a one-breasted hermaphrodite in a corset is more sanitary than a naked female?


that's at least 50% less female nudity than the old daemonettes! 83 and 1/3rd % less female nudity if we're talking about the old daemonettes with 6 boobies!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 19:42:59


Post by: BrassScorpion


I like the new Daemonette models, but I had no problem with the terrific looking partially nude ones and yes, I am a parent. Nudity by itself does not equate to pornography or sexual situations and if people aren't teaching their children basic human anatomy they're not doing their job as parents to educate their children. If you take your kids to an art museum or they see a nude sculpture at home, if the parents don't make a big deal out of it neither will the kids and they won't grow up all screwed up and uptight about the human body.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 20:12:12


Post by: Fishboy


Brass I am not going to appoligize for my moral values. You raise your kids your way and I will raise mine my way.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 20:16:16


Post by: Vrakk


You have to respect the power of a out-of-date army that can provoke morality discussions.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/19 20:21:44


Post by: Aduro


The only thing that stops from me adding a Slannesh detachment onto my Daemon forces is that I only have one box of the old Daemonettes, which I think look MUCH better than the current ones, and it would require a bunch of effort/money to get more of the old ones.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 00:38:23


Post by: TyraelVladinhurst


a morality discussion in a DE thread? have you not learned DE are NOT moral in the least. i'm sorta looking forward to this, but sorta not as i like my lord with his 2+ invulnerable save....


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 01:18:31


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Kirasu wrote:Oh we'll get them.. just like the current models except they are MEN in bikinis and/or halter tops with whips.. Not sure who thought it was modeling genius to give us awfully sculpted elf men in thongs or topless with bondage gear




Zardoz?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 01:24:31


Post by: Fishboy


I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.....


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 01:27:39


Post by: Fateweaver


What has been seen cannot be unseen.

Ugh.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 01:42:11


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Guys: one word:

Borat.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 01:45:32


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


Suppose that it may be agin the fluff but the risque Wyches' gear is pants.
Which is more than you can say for what they are, or rather aren't, wearing.

Not a question of political correctness, but of aesthetics. The new design could still give a fetish vibe whislt covering the parts that the pelmets barely reach.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 02:03:08


Post by: Farmer


This sounds good news atleast, if harry says so.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 05:43:56


Post by: JOHIRA


If Wyches are gladiators intended to show the level of debauchery in Dark Elf society, then to an extent I think their costumes are appropriate. The are fairly close to our society's debauched gladiators- pro-wrestlers. And they're basically showing off as much skin as they can while still maintaining support and protection for their vulnerable bits. They should titilate without exposing themselves, because full-on exposure makes them vulnerable and more likely to lose their next match.

The big problem with the old wyches wasn't the design for the most part (though the hair was definitely over-the-top) but the execution. The faces are frequently messed up (look at GW's website, in the group wych picture the one in the bottom left corner with her gun gangster-style), their skin is lumpy (remember that wych-butt cheek closeup from that video they made for the last campaign), and the spikes and blades on their armour is just way too big and clumsy. I'm convident that with Jes on plastics many of those problems will be solved.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 06:07:54


Post by: mal


Archonate wrote:I used to get so excited about every tiny hint about DE. I would hungrily scour the internet and enthusiastically read about and contribute ideas about how DE might be changed or improved.

After so many years of legitimate pleas bouncing off GW's unimaginative, SM-encrusted minds, now when I hear DE news, I can't help but heave a deep sigh of apathy. It's not that I don't believe these rumors. I'm sure we'll see DE before the year is out and they'll be amazing. But the enthusiasm is gone. As a formality, I'll probably buy the codex out of curiosity. If GW is lucky, the new codex will inspire me to purchase their inevitably over-priced product.



haha +1; I mean, I'm only reading this thread because I'm bored at work. Then again, I am anticipating revived interest in these threads when greens / new models start appearing in a month or 3.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 11:12:37


Post by: radiohazard


Tell me that is not Sean Connery.

Please say it ain't so.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 11:22:43


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle




The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 11:56:13


Post by: Sidstyler


And there are still no pictures. DE are supposed to be getting updated for really real this time, but there's still no proof. Just the same two-year-old pieces of artwork being posted up over and over saying "They might look like this!"

I'm sorry but at this point I need a little more than someone's word.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 12:13:25


Post by: Flashman


Sidstyler wrote:I'm sorry but at this point I need a little more than someone's word.


The incoming email for November should arrive in a month or so. I guess you'll have GW's word then (maybe).


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 12:39:43


Post by: BrookM


Nah, a lot of people will ignore it, or chalk it up to another lie on top of the mountain of lies.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 15:07:56


Post by: Alpharius


They won't be able to at that point!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 15:12:38


Post by: JohnHwangDD


radiohazard wrote:Tell me that is not Sean Connery.

Please say it ain't so.


Sorry, no can do.

I wonder if the payday was really worth it...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 15:17:41


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


The namesh Bondage, Jamesh Bondage. double OH sheven, lischensched to thrill!.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 15:40:19


Post by: iheartlargeblasttemplates


I hope this is true hopefully more people will play DE. and i love the models that show their boobs!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 15:45:18


Post by: JohnHwangDD


IHEARTLARGEBLASTTEMPLATES wrote:I hope this is true hopefully more people will play DE. and i love the models that show their boobs!


Too bad they're all going to be man-boobs for you to love...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 16:29:11


Post by: FlammingGaunt


JohnHwangDD wrote:
IHEARTLARGEBLASTTEMPLATES wrote:I hope this is true hopefully more people will play DE. and i love the models that show their boobs!


Too bad they're all going to be man-boobs for you to love...

nice one


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 18:01:40


Post by: Ennkay


JOHIRA wrote:If Wyches are gladiators intended to show the level of debauchery in Dark Elf society, then to an extent I think their costumes are appropriate. The are fairly close to our society's debauched gladiators- pro-wrestlers. And they're basically showing off as much skin as they can while still maintaining support and protection for their vulnerable bits. They should titilate without exposing themselves, because full-on exposure makes them vulnerable and more likely to lose their next match.

The big problem with the old wyches wasn't the design for the most part (though the hair was definitely over-the-top) but the execution. The faces are frequently messed up (look at GW's website, in the group wych picture the one in the bottom left corner with her gun gangster-style), their skin is lumpy (remember that wych-butt cheek closeup from that video they made for the last campaign), and the spikes and blades on their armour is just way too big and clumsy. I'm convident that with Jes on plastics many of those problems will be solved.





The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 18:41:27


Post by: generalgrog


Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.

My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.

for shame......for shame.

GG


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 18:46:35


Post by: JohnHwangDD


@gg: I'm not the first to have posted it on Dakka


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 18:50:42


Post by: Kroothawk


generalgrog wrote:Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.
My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.
for shame......for shame.
GG

The movie is even worse. Sean Connery wanted to get rid of his image as the elegant British spy. He succeeded


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 18:53:20


Post by: His Master's Voice


generalgrog wrote:Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.

My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.

for shame......for shame.

GG


That picture is a classic. I'm surprised you haven't seen it before, here on Dakka.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 20:28:07


Post by: AlexHolker


I'm hesitantly optimistic. If they do a good job on the hypothetical plastic Wyches, I reckon I'll buy a box.

JOHIRA wrote:They should titilate without exposing themselves, because full-on exposure makes them vulnerable and more likely to lose their next match.

Special rule: My [del]Face[/del]Knife Is Up Here?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 21:17:23


Post by: Farmer


His Master's Voice wrote:
generalgrog wrote:Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.

My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.

for shame......for shame.

GG


That picture is a classic. I'm surprised you haven't seen it before, here on Dakka.


Why ? does everyone post pictures of half naked men on dakka dakka? or am i on the wrong site


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 21:24:48


Post by: His Master's Voice


Har, har, watch out or you'll bash your brain out with that facepalm...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 21:24:57


Post by: Alpharius


No, you're on the right site, and with a good point.

Let's get this thread back on topic, OK?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 21:25:14


Post by: Skarboy


Farmer wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
generalgrog wrote:Johhnywang....why oh why...did you unleash that image upon DAKKA.

My image of Sean Connery is forever tarnished now.

for shame......for shame.

GG


That picture is a classic. I'm surprised you haven't seen it before, here on Dakka.


Why ? does everyone post pictures of half naked men on dakka dakka? or am i on the wrong site


Depends. Are you looking for MORE pictures of half naked men? Pictures of full naked men? Give us a clue and I'm sure someone can get you to the site you're looking for.


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GOD, those were awful sculpts. Does GW even have to wonder why DE sold like warm piss? Look no further.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 21:41:15


Post by: Alpharius


Alpharius wrote:No, you're on the right site, and with a good point.

Let's get this thread back on topic, OK?


No, really.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 22:03:18


Post by: plastictrees


Personally I'm hoping the new models are barely related visually to the old ones, in quality or style.

Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets. That is all.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 22:12:33


Post by: Fishboy


Heh Alph love the "hint" heh.

I am a little concerned that with the verbal descriptions the new warriors sound eerily similar to the old ones. God I can not wait for pics....


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 22:17:18


Post by: BrassScorpion


Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets. That is all.
And elite super-human warriors should be smart enough not to wear bright red or yellow armor or flowing light color robes into battle. It's a fantasy game, full of ridiculous comic-book type physics and sensibilities. Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 22:26:32


Post by: plastictrees


BrassScorpion wrote:
Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets. That is all.
And elite super-human warriors should be smart enough not to wear bright red or yellow armor or flowing light color robes into battle. It's a fantasy game, full of ridiculous comic-book type physics and sensibilities. It's always amusing when people try and argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.


Glad I could amuse you, I hope you were at least wearing a hilarious fake moustache when you typed "aesthetic sensibilities" in reference to an evil space elf discussion.

Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets because they make stupid looking models. Being a fantasy game doesn't excuse unappealing character design. If Jes can give them huge helmets as part of being great looking models then I will have no problem with the hugeness or the helmetness.

GW has set a precedent on stupid hat crackdowns (chaos dwarves) and will hopefully do so again.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 22:31:05


Post by: BrassScorpion


When I said "aesthetic sensibilities" I was referring to those built into the model ranges by GW, not of the fictional character supposedly wearing the stuff, but then, the phrase works there too. How the models are dressed is part of the 40K lore and tall helmets have always been part of the Eldar/Elf lore created by GW, so arguing about how one hates it is kind of like shouting at the wind, isn't it?

That's not likely to suddenly change, it's got 20 years of history and customer expectations behind it now and GW doesn't just suddenly make huge aesthetic changes to their signature art designs do they? People who play Blood Angels but don't like red paint them differently. If you play Eldar and don't like tall helmets it's time to convert.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 22:31:54


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


BrassScorpion wrote:
Deadly hit and run raiders shouldn't wear four foot tall helmets. That is all.
And elite super-human warriors should be smart enough not to wear bright red or yellow armor or flowing light color robes into battle. It's a fantasy game, full of ridiculous comic-book type physics and sensibilities. Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.


Yeah but he has a point.

You want to avoid becoming a DE slave?
Easy, hide in a small space

There's tall stylised pointy headgear and then there is plain silly!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 22:41:18


Post by: Crazy_Carnifex


Guys, the tall pointy headgear serves a very important purpose. It is so when the Raiders inevitable crash, the Warriors are turned into visoius projectiles.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 22:49:30


Post by: BrassScorpion


The pointy helmets make as much sense as the rest of the game*, but the cool fantasy and "retro" look of a lot of the stuff is what has made it popular. GW would be insane to change the look of its models suddenly. People who want realism can play historical miniatures, it's not what Warhammer is about. Warhammer has never been about realism.

Arguments for increased realism are, in a word, unrealistic. GW is not going to alienate the majority of its customer base for a few disgruntled people complaining on the Internet.

*like tanks without sloped armor, brightly colored armor, people wearing skimpy outfits with no armor, guns that have the same effect whether they are huge on a vehicle or small and man-portable, flying machines that aren't streamlined...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 23:19:44


Post by: Alpharius


I knew this thread wasn't going to make it even close to the DE release, never mind the 'sneak peak' release, but at this rate...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 23:21:09


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Alpharius wrote:I knew this thread wasn't going to make it even close to the DE release, never mind the 'sneak peak' release, but at this rate...


That's because there aren't any actual news or rumors here...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/20 23:57:08


Post by: Relapse


Kid_Kyoto wrote:That's a shame, fans resoundingly rejected the DE years ago, I would hope GW would know better than to throw good money after bad.


Those rejected DE won me a lot of tournaments, though.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 00:13:22


Post by: plastictrees


BrassScorpion wrote:The pointy helmets make as much sense as the rest of the game*, but the cool fantasy and "retro" look of a lot of the stuff is what has made it popular. GW would be insane to change the look of its models suddenly. People who want realism can play historical miniatures, it's not what Warhammer is about. Warhammer has never been about realism.

Arguments for increased realism are, in a word, unrealistic. GW is not going to alienate the majority of its customer base for a few disgruntled people complaining on the Internet.

*like tanks without sloped armor, brightly colored armor, people wearing skimpy outfits with no armor, guns that have the same effect whether they are huge on a vehicle or small and man-portable, flying machines that aren't streamlined...


What? The 40k aesthetic isn't "crappy looking models". Putting the "realism" issue aside, the warriors especially just look terrible with their current design. GW aren't going to alienate anyone by changing the look of models no-one wanted to buy.

Personally I'm looking forward to seeing Jes came up with and I hope he burnt the old Dark Eldar visuals to the ground, or at least down the "Eldar pirates" and built from there.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 00:44:21


Post by: MadCowCrazy


I hope Mandrakes have the Hidden Deployment rule in the new codex. For those that dont know you place 3 models anywhere in your deployment zone, they dont need to be put together. Until turn 3 or before if you want they cannot be attacked or interacted with in any way. They can only do their 6" move every turn unless you reveal them.

Anyways, instead of putting down 3 mandrakes Im going to print out this picture and glue it to some 25mm bases.



The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 02:27:59


Post by: Kroothawk


JohnHwangDD wrote:
Alpharius wrote:I knew this thread wasn't going to make it even close to the DE release, never mind the 'sneak peak' release, but at this rate...


That's because there aren't any actual news or rumors here...

An update on the rumours/news in this thread:
3 metal blisters
2 (not 3) metal boxes
6 plastic boxes
One special limited item linked to DE (like the Ork resin barricades were)
1.5 wave in January, 2nd wave March.
Codex by Phil Kelly.
(old rumours: Yakface gave us splinter rifle rules, Waaagh_Gonads the look of the warriors).




The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 02:30:45


Post by: Luthon1234


Kroothawk wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Alpharius wrote:I knew this thread wasn't going to make it even close to the DE release, never mind the 'sneak peak' release, but at this rate...


1.5 wave in January, 2nd wave March.





So it will be a 1st wave in November then a 1.5 wave in Jan and a 2nd wave in March?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 02:35:37


Post by: Alpharius


While I'm glad they're coming, I'm sad that the October release date has slipped and will be missed!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 02:36:34


Post by: Luthon1234


Alpharius wrote:While I'm glad they're coming, I'm sad that the October release date has slipped and will be missed!


I really wanted a september release but a release is better than "next year" any day.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 02:40:03


Post by: Kroothawk


Pushing High Elves in October with a new second wave of models is fine with me


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 02:57:08


Post by: BrassScorpion


The 40k aesthetic isn't "crappy looking models". Putting the "realism" issue aside, the warriors especially just look terrible with their current design.
That was never what was being discussed in the comments to which I was responding or in my responses. Quality of the execution is a different issue than the basic concept of the art design of the models.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 03:06:40


Post by: The Crippler


Is 6 plastic boxes a record for a new army? I've been thinking about it and I can't remember any release getting so much plastic support all at once.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 03:08:52


Post by: Alpharius


6 new plastic boxes does seem high, but they've been working on them...

...forever!

So, maybe?

Plus, it is all Jes Goodwin stuff, right?

No better way to make a BIG splash than to go REAL big at the start.

Maybe!

I hope!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 03:21:39


Post by: BrassScorpion


Jes Goodwin is single-handedly repsonsible for a huge portion of my GW purchases over the years and I told him so when he visited the US for Games Day a few years ago. No matter how little I actually need more models at certain times, if Goodwin sculpts something I nearly always want to collect, build and paint it. His work is just brilliant. It will be great to see what he does with the Dark Eldar range.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 09:48:21


Post by: JOHIRA


BrassScorpion wrote:Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.


Let's not confuse realism and believability.


Private Boneshardy McLoincloth here is not a realistic soldier. I can however, believe that he is what Dark Eldar are supposed to be in the 40K mythos. Therefore, it is a good design.


Dark Lord Dookiepants is not a realistic soldier. Nor is be believable as the most powerful space elf in a cabal of other evil space elfs. He looks like he stayed up all night gluing some poor schmuck's face to his helmet just to be extra (x2) scary. I can see him having to interrupt his own orders every couple of minutes to sit down because his shoulder pads and GIANT DUNCE CAP OF DOOM WITH SCARY SPIKES is giving him lower back pain. So then he sits down and tries to adjust his facemask face because the glue came loose after that last round of las-fire his unit took and now he can't see. So he reaches up and is all like, "OH ! I FORGOT I'M EDWARD SCISSORHAND!" So then the evil space elfs have to retreat because their commander stabbed himself in the brain again and instead of telling them where to strike is just sitting there saying, "bibblebibblebibblebibbleThatRazorgorModelLooksSweetBibble."

No one really wants Warhammer to be realistic. But asking for it to be believable is totally fair.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 09:54:31


Post by: Kroothawk


The Crippler wrote:Is 6 plastic boxes a record for a new army? I've been thinking about it and I can't remember any release getting so much plastic support all at once.

Happens when the boss of the plastic department, Jes Goodwin, is given free hand. And 6 new plastic boxes in 12 years doesn't sound record breaking
JOHIRA wrote:Private Boneshardy McLoincloth here is not a realistic soldier. I can however, believe that he is what Dark Eldar are supposed to be in the 40K mythos. Therefore, it is a good design.

I am not sure how" realistic Space Elves" look but the design has evolved a bit since this pic.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 09:58:51


Post by: H.B.M.C.


JOHIRA wrote:Dark Lord Dookiepants is not a realistic soldier. Nor is be believable as the most powerful space elf in a cabal of other evil space elfs. He looks like he stayed up all night gluing some poor schmuck's face to his helmet just to be extra (x2) scary. I can see him having to interrupt his own orders every couple of minutes to sit down because his shoulder pads and GIANT DUNCE CAP OF DOOM WITH SCARY SPIKES is giving him lower back pain. So then he sits down and tries to adjust his facemask face because the glue came loose after that last round of las-fire his unit took and now he can't see. So he reaches up and is all like, "OH ! I FORGOT I'M EDWARD SCISSORHAND!" So then the evil space elfs have to retreat because their commander stabbed himself in the brain again and instead of telling them where to strike is just sitting there saying, "bibblebibblebibblebibbleThatRazorgorModelLooksSweetBibble."




Wonderful!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 10:13:29


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


Johira is spot on imho.

Apart from evil nastiness the other characteristic of DE is speed. No NOT amylnitrate, but sheer zoomobility.

Acheron looks like he just got up with a raging hangover and is begging for the first cigarette of the day.
(Note to our American friends, cigarette is a slang word for a cigarette, though with DE you may be forgiven for taking an alternative meaning.)

Fleet of foot?
He's gonna go arse over tip as soon as he tries to walk!

The design ought reflect the main characteristics of the army imho

People are using the term "realism" but surely the point is that it is possible to synthesise the nature of the race with imagination, a degree of practicality and the cool factor.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 10:30:02


Post by: DEATH89


Even if the next incoming is DE I wouldn't put it past GW to squat DE when the release date comes and release GK's instead


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 10:52:36


Post by: Savnock


Dear Sweet Jeebus: Please let Jes have had the foresight to make the new Dark Eldar plastics be largely compatible with the WHFB Dark Elf plastics (the Corsairs especially).

Sincerely, A Soon-to-be-poverty-stricken Gamer


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 13:37:28


Post by: BrassScorpion


Let's not confuse realism and believability.
Yeah, let's not do that. One guy with ridiculous horns on his helmet is no more or less believable than another in a game full of guys with giant horns on their helmets.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 13:41:49


Post by: Klawz


Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Acheron looks like he just got up with a raging hangover and is begging for the first cigarette of the day.
(Note to our American friends, cigarette is a slang word for a cigarette, though with DE you may be forgiven for taking an alternative meaning.)
Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 14:12:21


Post by: Gavin Thorne


Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
People are using the term "realism" but surely the point is that it is possible to synthesise the nature of the race with imagination, a degree of practicality and the cool factor.


This is truth. CW Eldar have evolved over the years and retained their theme while having it updated and revised. I too hope that the dark elf plastics are compatible with dark eldar and that the new dark eldar models are similar enough to at least some eldar models to make converting possibilities available.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 14:23:33


Post by: evilsponge


The word your looking for is suspension of disbelief. Good fiction tricks your imagination into thinking something that doesn't exist could in our world, like a well sculptured space elf. Bad fiction, like dark eldar models, just make you giggle at the absurdity


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 14:34:41


Post by: BrassScorpion


I have a Dark Eldar army and am interested in seeing what the newest version of the army will bring, but I could almost hope the Dark Eldar release never materializes for one simple reason. The whining about everything there is to discuss about them, from appearance to game play and of course how long it's taken to revise them, is again reaching fever pitch. Once pictures of the actual models are released and the Codex is revealed the complaining from those overzealous fans whose expectations are not met will likely explode like Krakatoa, showering the gaming community with the ichor that is their hatred of everything GW does.

Now, does anyone have any actual news or substantive rumors about this release? If not, the MODS will hopefully kill off this thread until something newsworthy materializes down the road, in which a case new thread and a new bout of complaining can begin.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 14:41:45


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


Like the whining and disappointment expressed over the new High Elves and Skaven?

If they are good they will be well received. Not everyone will be impressed but that is fair enough if people genuinely find the models are not to their tastes.

Share some of the love from that satellite of yours


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 14:46:39


Post by: evilsponge


Talk about being a wet blanket


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 14:49:35


Post by: gorgon


Yeah, I tend to agree that while there's always complaining, there's been plenty of people going ga-ga for their models in recent years. Even on dour old Dakka. The gushing over the Space Hulk plastics alone would fill Lake Erie.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 15:10:32


Post by: JOHIRA


BrassScorpion wrote:
Let's not confuse realism and believability.
Yeah, let's not do that. One guy with ridiculous horns on his helmet is no more or less believable than another in a game full of guys with giant horns on their helmets.


I don't agree. I follow schoolground rules of laugh at the guy with the biggest horns on his hat. It's too mad Nagash went into hiding.

Seriously though, look at 2nd edition craftworld Eldar compared to the present Eldar. They've evolved quite a lot. I look forward to the Dark Eldar models evolving just as much.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 15:16:31


Post by: Vrakk


gorgon wrote:Yeah, I tend to agree that while there's always complaining, there's been plenty of people going ga-ga for their models in recent years. Even on dour old Dakka. The gushing over the Space Hulk plastics alone would fill Lake Erie.


Was it the gushing or the plastic that filled Lake Erie?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 18:42:51


Post by: gorgon


Come on, you know those were limited edition. Wouldn't even fill one of the finger lakes.

Now Space Marine plastics, that's another story (looking at Lake Superior...)


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 19:35:05


Post by: Kroothawk


BrassScorpion wrote:Now, does anyone have any actual news or substantive rumors about this release? If not, the MODS will hopefully kill off this thread until something newsworthy materializes down the road, in which a case new thread and a new bout of complaining can begin.

It is getting really annoying now. There has been substantial news on the first page. I even repeated it for a lazy reader on page 3. If you are unable to find the info in only 4 pages, I am really sorry for you, but please stop discrediting this thread as it is not our fault but yours.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 19:55:59


Post by: Kroothawk


6 plastic boxes, 2 metal boxes and 3 blisters plus one specialty item: News taken from the GW website -> major news.
Next waves January and March -> major rumours by former Warseer mod "Avian".

Edit: Hmm where is JohnHwangDD's post, that doubted the news content and that I was responding to?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/21 19:57:07


Post by: Thunderfrog


I was never really a fan of the Dark Eldar.. same as I've never been a fan of Dark Evles.. or any sortve "Dark X" unit that seems to fill the niche for the more angsty players who like the evil side of things because it's edgy.

(Note: Not accusing DE players of being Twilight obsessed emo kids.. although I had to take a stab at my rival faction. ^_^ )

See: Vampire the Masquerade.

That said - I do think they had a nice backstory, their perversion and fall from grace. They are a lot deeper than the average "Dark X."

THAT said.. I think they got jipped in their codex fluff, which is fairly important to me for whatever reason. I hope the next codex does allow them to field Harlequins, as the Eldar Codex alluded to Harlies being a go between for the two races. Perhaps the Laughing God sees Eldar as Eldar, dark or not?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 02:54:03


Post by: iheartlargeblasttemplates


Im quite excited to see how they do with these models and book


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 03:18:32


Post by: Armandloft




Sorry, but they're all sold out at the Warstore. Maybe they'll do a rerelease for the DE.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 03:19:41


Post by: H3ct0r


JOHIRA wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.


Let's not confuse realism and believability.


Private Boneshardy McLoincloth here is not a realistic soldier. I can however, believe that he is what Dark Eldar are supposed to be in the 40K mythos. Therefore, it is a good design.


Dark Lord Dookiepants is not a realistic soldier. Nor is be believable as the most powerful space elf in a cabal of other evil space elfs. He looks like he stayed up all night gluing some poor schmuck's face to his helmet just to be extra (x2) scary. I can see him having to interrupt his own orders every couple of minutes to sit down because his shoulder pads and GIANT DUNCE CAP OF DOOM WITH SCARY SPIKES is giving him lower back pain. So then he sits down and tries to adjust his facemask face because the glue came loose after that last round of las-fire his unit took and now he can't see. So he reaches up and is all like, "OH ! I FORGOT I'M EDWARD SCISSORHAND!" So then the evil space elfs have to retreat because their commander stabbed himself in the brain again and instead of telling them where to strike is just sitting there saying, "bibblebibblebibblebibbleThatRazorgorModelLooksSweetBibble."

No one really wants Warhammer to be realistic. But asking for it to be believable is totally fair.


You made me lol really hard

On topic, I really hope they get new Dark Eldar stuff soon. They (along with Tau) are the most interesting armies to me in 40k and if the codex is good I might start a Dark Eldar army. Even if I don't start one, considering the time this codex has languished in obscurity, I hope they are top tier, right near the tip.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 03:58:49


Post by: Thunderfrog


Ahaha.. that was the best thing I've ever read on Dakka...My face hurts from laughing.

Johira = Awesome.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 04:46:25


Post by: Dashofpepper


I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 05:42:32


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Dashofpepper wrote:Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


Sure it will.

You'll be the guy with the crappy Morley models when everybody else has the sexy Goodwin models...

Go you!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 05:45:01


Post by: Melissia


But at least this means you'll be able to say "I was into Dark Eldar before they became the next big thing!"


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 11:43:50


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


That could be me John

I am looking forward to a new codex that doesn't makes the DE overpowered but gives some enhancements so they have a fair chance.

Won't be getting the new models purely on the grounds of budget and time contraints. Both are sorely overstretched hiobbywise as it is!

However am looking forward to seeing the new minis.
The bandwagaon phenomena will be a blip till the next best new thing turns up.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 12:00:34


Post by: Popsicle


The only reason I didn't start with Dark Eldar, when I recently joined the Hobby, is because the Miniatures were in need of refreshment, and the Codex was FUBAR. (Hm... I wonder if that displays as an anagram. ). Anyways, I know what I'm doing come Christmas Time.

Are there actually any Mini Pictures yet?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 12:39:12


Post by: quietus86


its time dey get a new codex.
but still won't play dem .


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 13:55:55


Post by: Alpharius


Who cares if people jump on the bandwagon?

In fact, if you DON'T want your army to get Squatted, you should hope that LOTS of people jump on the bandwagon!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 15:53:26


Post by: Kirasu


You wont even be able to compare old DE vs new DE imo.. Sure people will jump on the bandwagon but it seemed almost like self-torture to be one of the few who played them in the past :p

Everytime Id look at those models I wanted to cut out my eyes.. Even Opus Dei would consider the punishment of using those models too severe!


On another note - I agree completely with Alpharius. DE was in major danger of just being dropped all together and GW is taking a gamble by bothering to release them. If you want more updates you better hope lots of people play them


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 17:52:48


Post by: Thorheim


Melissia wrote:But at least this means you'll be able to say "I was into Dark Eldar before they became the next big thing!"


Hell yeah, 70 Warriors (6 splinter cannons, 6 dark lances), 10 Wyches, 3 Raiders, 2 Ravagers, 5 Scourge (splinter cannons), 7 Reave jetbikes, 10 Wyches, Talos. 8 Incubi, Drazhar, Urien Rakarth, and a Archon modeled out of a dark elves sorccerers, ready to be remodeled, painted an so on with the new codex =3 (first codex I got, first army and so on, oh 1999)
quietus86 wrote:its time dey get a new codex.
but still won't play dem .

Yes indeed, Marine players cannot stomach us, *sips some delicious soultea* omnomnom

Kirasu wrote:You wont even be able to compare old DE vs new DE imo.. Sure people will jump on the bandwagon but it seemed almost like self-torture to be one of the few who played them in the past :p
On another note - I agree completely with Alpharius. DE was in major danger of just being dropped all together and GW is taking a gamble by bothering to release them. If you want more updates you better hope lots of people play them

Mm, propably not be able to compare, propably not even in rules. I hope they will keep the Open-toped raiders for swift assaults. They actualy need to add some survivability to the army. I don't think we'll get a superfragile force as before, but time will tell.
It was good that Eye of Terror campaign came about, it was mostly due to our (DE players) numerous participation helped us for not being poked out of the map =)


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 18:28:43


Post by: Defiler


Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 18:38:33


Post by: Kirasu


I want DE to look like eldar.. I have 12k of eldar so Id prefer just to proxy, then photoshop them later so they look evil

But if the models are super sweet (a notch above "whoa") Ill buy them.. Not much difference between Eldar and goth eldar esp if goodwin is sculpting them

Defiler: Agreed about the above!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 19:07:04


Post by: Alpharius


And from up here, those models look pretty good!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 19:43:13


Post by: Thorheim


Oh yeah:

Coloured version of picture in Rulebook. Dunno if it's only fanmade though.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 20:03:30


Post by: Luthon1234


Anyone else seeing some kind of dark "monster" between the raiders? I didn't notice it before but now that someone colored it I can see it. It's probably a shadow or someone just put it there to mess with us.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 20:21:44


Post by: Luthon1234


Maybe I don't see the board, and hellions are suppose to be wyches. After looking at it again its probably another warrior jumping off, I just kinda glanced at it before thought it looked pretty big but I think its just a warrior now.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 21:15:50


Post by: kestral


I wonder what the guys with the backpacks are. Grotesques?
I wonder if there will be any boxes that can cross over with eldar. For example, a "dark wraithguard" plastic set would be outstanding. Plastic Harlequins would also be great.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 21:22:08


Post by: Kirasu


Pretty sure dark eldar dont use the technology required to produce wraithguard or wraithlords, nor the psychic ability.. As for harlequins... the metal kit makes astounding models I seriously dont see why GW would produce plastic kits for great models

After all they have to fix the ENTIRE DE range already to worry about 'quins!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 21:33:58


Post by: Rymafyr


That's very similiar to what I have:

Archon + 9 man Incubi retinue 1 Raider
Drachon + 9 man Incubi retinue
3 Haemonoculi
10 Mandrakes (Made from warriors)
10 Wyches 1 Raider
9 Grotesques
20 Warriors
30 Warriors on 3 Raiders
(60 unpainted warrirors 1 Raider in the works heavily converted)
10 Reavers
3 Hellions
2 Ravagers
2 Talos


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 22:31:34


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Kirasu wrote:Pretty sure dark eldar dont use the technology required to produce wraithguard or wraithlords, nor the psychic ability..

As for harlequins... the metal kit makes astounding models I seriously dont see why GW would produce plastic kits for great models


Dark Eldar use the same basic soul "technology" as every other Eldar, the difference is the host:
- (Craftworld) Eldar use psychoactive crystal wraithbone and spirit stones to host souls.
- Exodite Eldar use stone circles and so on
- Dark Eldar use their bodies

Similarly, Dark Eldar have the same Psyker potential, but the lack the Rune technology to use it safely. I expect some unit expansion here, seeing how IG got PBS out of nowhere...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 22:52:21


Post by: Kirasu


Seems then without the wraithbone they cant make wraithlords or wraithguard which is all i was saying

Im sure they'll get new units just dont expect "dark wraithguard".. Honestly i wish they'd rename Dark eldar while they're at it, such a horribly uncreative name just like Dark Elves and wood elves

By those naming conventions Bretonnia should just be named "Horse empire" or have vampire counts be "Vampire Undead" and tomb kings be "Egyptian Undead".. There has gotta be some better names out there!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/22 23:14:59


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Kirasu wrote:Seems then without the wraithbone they cant make wraithlords or wraithguard which is all i was saying

dont expect "dark wraithguard"..

Honestly i wish they'd rename Dark eldar while they're at it, such a horribly uncreative name just like Dark Elves and wood elves

Bretonnia should just be named "Horse empire" or

have vampire counts be "Vampire Undead" and tomb kings be "Egyptian Undead".. There has gotta be some better names out there!


Exactly. No wraithstuffs, because that ain't how DE work.

I could easily see a Dark Ogryn or Dark Battlesuit filling the Wraithguard / Terminator slot.

Agreed. "Chaos Eldar" has such a better ring to it.

"Horsey Empire", yes.

Nah, "Egypt" doesn't exist in the Old World. Try "Wet Undead" and "Dry Undead" - it's more apt.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 00:02:30


Post by: narceron


JohnHwangDD wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


Sure it will.

You'll be the guy with the crappy Morley models when everybody else has the sexy Goodwin models...

Go you!


Burn, lol.

I like the current models for the most part, so maybe I can pick up a DE army on the cheap with the new codex. I played DE at the beginning of 3rd, but I kept breaking the models....I hope they fix that.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 00:31:16


Post by: Thorheim


Luthon1234 wrote:Maybe I don't see the board, and hellions are suppose to be wyches. After looking at it again its probably another warrior jumping off, I just kinda glanced at it before thought it looked pretty big but I think its just a warrior now.

if you look on the black and white picture in the rulebook you still see a skyboard guy there.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 02:48:49


Post by: kestral


No speculation on the guys with goggles and backpacks in the lower part of the famous picture? They don't look like anything in the current DE range.

Dark eldar do use captured wraithbone, (Terrorfex) at least.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 03:08:17


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


I reckon the backpack contains a net. Are those dudes Haemunculi?

Maybe the guys want a game of soccer and the IG are on the DE's pitch? Or are the nets for dragging off captives?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 06:39:20


Post by: axiomatic


I've been wanting to start DE for a long time but have been waiting for new models. Now the codex is about to arrive I'm really worried that they won't feel the same, tactically and strategically speaking, with the new codex as they did with the old.

I feel like DE has a (deserved) reputation as a hard army to play where poor choices can result in utter collapse and ruin but good choices result in devastating success. With IG my other main army I really want something that plays in that sort of micro-managed, all-or-nothing way ... hope they keep that feeling :/


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 06:45:46


Post by: Defiler


GWS took Orkz from 3rd edition straight into 5th, without losing much - if any feeling.

I don't think this is something they can afford to mess up, and probably spent a lot of time balancing the new stuff versus the crusty old gamers who would throw a fit if a statline was changed or a weapon acted differently.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 06:50:54


Post by: BrassScorpion


It is getting really annoying now. There has been substantial news on the first page.
Yes it is getting really annoying now. There's some information on page 1 and then page after page after that of useless..., well, I already covered that. That was my point, not that there was no information in the topic at all, but that there was no uesful information in 90% or better of it by the point in the thread where I made the comment.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 07:11:21


Post by: Archonate


DE threads get started in anticipation of the influx of news that commonly trickles in during the months before any new release.
But this doesn't seem to be happening for DE. These threads drone on repeating the same sentiments ad nauseum because they give nobody anything to talk about. We can't even express opinions because we all know that we don't know anything! The only part of this conversation that has changed in the past 5 years is the surety that the release is happening.

On the other hand, there's not much point in locking these threads because another will pop up a couple days later.

Personally, at this point, I couldn't care less about new rules or release wave schedules.


All I want are pictures.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 08:27:31


Post by: Therion


All I want are pictures.

The Dakka moderators & other established posters were keen on shouting down people who cried salt about the Dark Eldar already in early May. These people told me back then that the studio would be releasing pictures within a month. I'm still waiting. Don't hold your breath.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 08:37:48


Post by: Kroothawk


BrassScorpion wrote:
It is getting really annoying now. There has been substantial news on the first page.
Yes it is getting really annoying now. There's some information on page 1 and then page after page after that of useless..., well, I already covered that.

One page with news&rumour and 4 pages without is above average on Dakka
To be fair, we don't get substantial news every day.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 11:54:06


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


Slight divergence OT with a common gripe.
GW don't help with their news blackouts.

People want to know if and what and when DE gets a revamp.
People will speculate to fill in the vacuum.

My other hobby manufacturers give annual release schedules. This still gets people exercised and discussing the releases.
Of course there are times when subjects fail to materialise, but that is to be expected as things change, go wrong or for whatever reason the release date is pushed back or eventually cancelled.

Often there are pre production sprue shots posted, or test shots seen at model shows. Net result is usually people bouncing up and down with anticipation.

GW the other hand....
TBH I find their attitude condescending and actually rather disrespectful to the fanbase. Is it because they only want the dollar from the youngsters that they behave like parents in the run up to Christmas and don't want to spoil the childrens' surprise?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/23 12:14:55


Post by: Tim the Biovore


Oh fun. I skim through this thread to see some leaked pics, no matter how blury, but found nothing. You're all lucky JOHIRA is awesome.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/24 07:33:35


Post by: Whatever1


Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Slight divergence OT with a common gripe.
GW don't help with their news blackouts.

People want to know if and what and when DE gets a revamp.
People will speculate to fill in the vacuum.

My other hobby manufacturers give annual release schedules. This still gets people exercised and discussing the releases.
Of course there are times when subjects fail to materialise, but that is to be expected as things change, go wrong or for whatever reason the release date is pushed back or eventually cancelled.

Often there are pre production sprue shots posted, or test shots seen at model shows. Net result is usually people bouncing up and down with anticipation.

GW the other hand....
TBH I find their attitude condescending and actually rather disrespectful to the fanbase. Is it because they only want the dollar from the youngsters that they behave like parents in the run up to Christmas and don't want to spoil the childrens' surprise?


Well,at least from a dollars and cents standpoint,it seems that GW is enjoying record profitability(at least if their stock reports are to be believed). Good luck convincing GW to adapt release schedule policies from their less successful competition. Why would you do something your competition is doing if it's less successful than what you're doing? Sounds like bad buisness to me.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/24 09:28:31


Post by: Kroothawk


Whatever1 wrote:Well,at least from a dollars and cents standpoint,it seems that GW is enjoying record profitability(at least if their stock reports are to be believed). Good luck convincing GW to adapt release schedule policies from their less successful competition. Why would you do something your competition is doing if it's less successful than what you're doing? Sounds like bad buisness to me.

Well, for several years now, GW's sales and profits and customer numbers decrease, which is (artificially) bad business sadly tolerated by the stock holders. While the designers do a great job, the managers do a bad job for years, ignoring basic management rules like doing no advertising and basically ignoring the fan base. But this is another topic discussed many times before. Let's move back on topic.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/24 09:46:28


Post by: grak


OK, on topic.

If the 2nd wave is ready to go, would they show pics of unreleased models in the codex? Have they ever done that?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/24 09:54:59


Post by: Sidstyler


Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


If the only reason you're getting into an army is because no one plays them, then you're probably getting into that army for the wrong reason.

Not to mention it makes you look pretty shallow and selfish. So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/24 10:31:56


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


Apologies for going OT chaps

Morally repugnant
Gakk models (though I don't mind most of them)
Rubbish codex cos they have been left behind.

What's to love?
TBH I got the chance of buying an army ready to play for the kids at the library where I run a club.
In the small number of small games played so far I have enjoyed them.
Yes at present they are fragile, but there is something there worth persisting with. Not sure what it is, but I have been converted. Even if no GS has been used in the process.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/24 10:45:44


Post by: Fishboy


If the only reason you're getting into an army is because no one plays them, then you're probably getting into that army for the wrong reason.

Not to mention it makes you look pretty shallow and selfish. So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?


TBH this was a big reason I started the DE path myself. Of course it was back in 3rd edition when the army was still new but everyone was saying you could not win with the army and at the time the models were not that bad compared to what else was out there. After trying them out I enjoyed playing the list but alas I eventually set it and my wych cult aside due to lack of GW love in the codex and editional updates.

@Reds8n do we know if any pics or such will be leaked soon or more details on the rules?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/24 16:05:34


Post by: Rymafyr


I doubt any pics will be leaked. Until GW is ready to actually set a release date we won't see the first pic. So expecting to enter a thread to see leaked pics really is an asinine perspective.

The fact that we 'may' have some leaked info on stats of weapons is amazing to me. Speculation is all we really have at the moment as we all know GW is like a woman and changes it's mind on a whim. Think about some of the new plastic Daemon releases...they were ready years ago but only now got released.

As for GW's business practice and the debate on releasing info being either good or bad for business...let's just avoid that tired argument ok?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/24 16:25:26


Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle


I have already apologised for raising the question of GW's release policy which to me isn't old. Not everyone has been around gaming and Dakka forever. So please bear that in mind.

Calling someone asinine for hoping to see leaked pics is not very polite.

Comments about women like that aren't polite either.






The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/24 16:36:00


Post by: Fishboy


So expecting to enter a thread to see leaked pics really is an asinine perspective.


Dakka rules prohibit me from putting you in your place so please choose your words more carefully . Coming into a thread labled Dark Eldar hoping for leaked pics and rules is EXACTLY why it is here. With an expected release date of November leaks should start dribbling in as the number of people who claim to have seen the models is increasing.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/25 20:41:54


Post by: Dashofpepper


Defiler wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?


I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

Example: I played in a BMF (Baddest Mofo) tournament yesterday; 1500 point single elimination tournament. Every mission was annihilation and pitched battle. I brought 23 killpoints.

Game 1 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent conceded on turn1 after losing 1/2 his army.

Game 2 vs. Daemons: Opponent tabled on turn5 (weaponless, immobilized soul grinder wouldn't die) at the cost of a single raider.

Game 3 vs. IG: Opponent conceded on turn 3; I'd lost a single squad of wyches (suicide charge at a 31 man platoon to try keeping the heavy weapons from firing). His triple leman russ battle tanks didn't get to fire the whole game.

Game 4 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent was tabled on turn 5 (land raider in reserve didn't come out till turn4), at the cost of two raiders - along with a couple weapon destroyed and immobilized results.
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Dark Eldar can still absolutely dominate a game. I do absolutely obscene things to most players on the table with my DE. I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them....its nice being at a tournament and people come over and look at my army and say, "Wow, a Dark Eldar player....we had one of those around here once." or my personal favorite, "I used to play Dark Eldar but sold them / traded them because they weren't competitive enough." And then I demonstrate a face-beating. Granted; there are certain armies in certain situations played be good players that can be deadly to DE....but every army has a rock to its scissors. *shrugs*


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/25 20:51:17


Post by: Brother SRM


Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.

Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/25 22:07:03


Post by: Kroothawk


Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.
Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Kroothawk in post #9 of this thread wrote:Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

No way, are you sure?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/25 23:44:15


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Sidstyler wrote: So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?


Um, Dark Space Elfs are fictional, they don't care if our love for them is sincere or not.

Really. We're not going to hurt their feelings.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 00:08:35


Post by: Alpharius


Kroothawk wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.
Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Kroothawk in post #9 of this thread wrote:Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

No way, are you sure?


This is awesome, and I must have overlooked this tidbit - thanks Kroothawk!

And I'm with you - go go Solitaire!!!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 01:00:49


Post by: Kroothawk


Dark Eldar news & rumours obviously have a cloaking device that puts even Predators and Romulan Birds of Prey to shame


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 03:10:34


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.


Are they the *identical* Harlequins entry, or do they swap the Shadowseer for a Solitaire?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 06:02:15


Post by: Defiler


Dashofpepper wrote:
Defiler wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?


I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.



I'm pretty sure I do in fact understand those terms, and I also understand you're obnoxious, full of yourself, and deluded.

I would suggest sticking to the battle reports section, and continuing to masturbate over your proclaimed indie tournament record.

You're not a DE player, bud, just someone who needs competition to validate lacking parts of his own psyche. You have to live with that, and I don't. So congrats! I hope you run into 5 MILLION DE players in the very next tournament held after their release.



The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 06:22:27


Post by: WarOne


I'm picking up some Dark Eldar to give the army a whirl, so anything they update with a new codex is extra gravy for me...

And Defiler and Dash, how about we take the abuse and debasement of one another to PMs? You are both getting upset over one another and moderation may have to be dragged in to situate you two in opposite corners.

For respect of each other and Dakka, please discontinue eroding this thread into an argument.

EDIT: I am no better (and I can cite many examples), but quitting it could be a good idea.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 08:12:16


Post by: Sidstyler


I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me.
---
I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them.


So you're admitting that you're not a true competitive player then? Since competitive players are all about the challenge and actually want their opponents to be competent and know how to deal with their armies? At least that's what I thought competitive players wanted anyway, that's what Stelek's entire "mission" is centered around.

I mean you just blatantly came out and said you didn't want Dark Eldar to get updated because then you'd have to work harder for your wins, and it might be the end of your "Slaanesh-style domination" of people. It really sounds like you're more interested in clubbing baby seals than true competition. And that's even worse than what I thought before, I thought you just wanted to be "unique" for playing an unpopular army.

And no this isn't "flamebait", I'm not starting gak, I'm just saying that this is the picture you're painting and it doesn't look very good.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 08:44:25


Post by: reds8n




...Harlequins are in the book, don't bet or rely on the Solitaire being in there though.

If we could refrain from calling each other names and making accusations about why people do X/Y/Z, that'd be great.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 13:08:16


Post by: megatrons2nd


reds8n wrote:

...Harlequins are in the book, don't bet or rely on the Solitaire being in there though.


Thank you for that info. If the two players in the sand box stop kicking sand at each other, can we have another cookie?

Did they look like the same rules to you, or did you not get that much info other than their presence?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 14:30:40


Post by: Thunderfrog


Sidstyler wrote:
Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


If the only reason you're getting into an army is because no one plays them, then you're probably getting into that army for the wrong reason.

Not to mention it makes you look pretty shallow and selfish. So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?



There's absolutely no wrong reason to pick any army. Even if you just copy the latest internet Army List from Ard Boyz, then build an army to match so you can win as much as possible, it's not a "Wrong" reason. There's no such thing.

I picked Eldar for two reasons.. I think Warlocks look cool and no one else at my store played them. Considering I was brand new to the hobby at the time, being the only guy with a army of sleek looking space elf wizards was a neat idea. I can totally understand someone being on the slightly more emo side of that pendulum and going with DE instead.

Just a viable reasons for selecting the army to spend your money on is..

Competitiveness (which is relative )
Price ( The fact I found 2000 points of Eldar for sale on Dakka for 150$ also helped my decision between playing Eldar or Daemons.)
Cool factor of the models
Love of Fluff
Religion? ( I have a friend who picked grey knights because they oppose daemons and he sees them as militant nazi space catholics. He himself is catholic, so they appealed to him for some reason.)

Point is there's no wrong reason to drop phat cash stacks on an army, but to tell someone they shouldnt play said army because they don't truly "care about DE at all" is sortve out there and fanboyish/elitist.

Can't we all just get along?

Dash - Maybe take a leap from DE to another dusty army like Tau or Necrons or Daemonhunters? (Although GW wont sell Daemonhunters stuff to my LGS anymore, Codeci anyways. Maybe they're getting updated soon as well.) I'm sure you could sell/trade your DE at a hot rate to the new guys once the new codex comes out.




The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 15:11:02


Post by: kanelom


Dashofpepper wrote:
Defiler wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?


I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

Example: I played in a BMF (Baddest Mofo) tournament yesterday; 1500 point single elimination tournament. Every mission was annihilation and pitched battle. I brought 23 killpoints.

Game 1 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent conceded on turn1 after losing 1/2 his army.

Game 2 vs. Daemons: Opponent tabled on turn5 (weaponless, immobilized soul grinder wouldn't die) at the cost of a single raider.

Game 3 vs. IG: Opponent conceded on turn 3; I'd lost a single squad of wyches (suicide charge at a 31 man platoon to try keeping the heavy weapons from firing). His triple leman russ battle tanks didn't get to fire the whole game.

Game 4 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent was tabled on turn 5 (land raider in reserve didn't come out till turn4), at the cost of two raiders - along with a couple weapon destroyed and immobilized results.
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Dark Eldar can still absolutely dominate a game. I do absolutely obscene things to most players on the table with my DE. I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them....its nice being at a tournament and people come over and look at my army and say, "Wow, a Dark Eldar player....we had one of those around here once." or my personal favorite, "I used to play Dark Eldar but sold them / traded them because they weren't competitive enough." And then I demonstrate a face-beating. Granted; there are certain armies in certain situations played be good players that can be deadly to DE....but every army has a rock to its scissors. *shrugs*



good stuff.
I hope I can play like that with the new codex when its out..


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 15:50:12


Post by: Alpharius


Harlequins in BUT no new models (i.e., Solitaire) might mean that they aren't selling well at all, or as well as GW would like, so 'yes' to available to more armies and 'no' to new models...

I am sad.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 16:06:46


Post by: Luthon1234


Alpharius wrote:Harlequins in BUT no new models (i.e., Solitaire) might mean that they aren't selling well at all, or as well as GW would like, so 'yes' to available to more armies and 'no' to new models...

I am sad.


ugh man those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches. I would have thought that this would have been a good time to release the solitare for DE and then release it for the new kraftworld eldar.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 17:11:54


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Luthon1234 wrote:those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches.


Harlequins *should* be better CC specialists than Wyches.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 17:16:58


Post by: aka_mythos


I think it could always be a matter of "better" in different ways. So while I'm sure Harlequin will overall be better than wyches, I'm also sure wyches will still be able to do things that Harlies can't and may be able to exceed Harlies in a few areas.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 17:42:38


Post by: Luthon1234


JohnHwangDD wrote:
Luthon1234 wrote:those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches.


Harlequins *should* be better CC specialists than Wyches.


Why's that? Oh right that citadel codex where a single solitaire could go through one squad and end up on the other side of the table. GW wants to sell them so there's no point in me crying about them being in the DE codex but hopefully they will have the bright idea of moving wyches to troops.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 17:49:01


Post by: aka_mythos


Wyches as troops is pretty much solves a number of things for GW... the lack of second troop choice, the fact that plastic box for the unit would need to justify cost.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 19:03:14


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Luthon1234 wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Luthon1234 wrote:those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches.


Harlequins *should* be better CC specialists than Wyches.


Why's that?


Wyches are Troops. Harlequins are Elites.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/26 19:41:28


Post by: Brother SRM


Kroothawk wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.
Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Kroothawk in post #9 of this thread wrote:Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

No way, are you sure?

Whoop, sorry dude. I'm pretty good about catching things like that, but I haven't gone back and read page 1 since this thread started. If only I remembered you posted that tidbit, then I never would have had to go to that awful place...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/27 02:43:47


Post by: Dashofpepper


WarOne wrote:I'm picking up some Dark Eldar to give the army a whirl, so anything they update with a new codex is extra gravy for me...

And Defiler and Dash, how about we take the abuse and debasement of one another to PMs? You are both getting upset over one another and moderation may have to be dragged in to situate you two in opposite corners.

For respect of each other and Dakka, please discontinue eroding this thread into an argument.



Yeah well....HE STARTED IT!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/27 09:02:38


Post by: Sarigar


I'll join the bandwagon if this codex is decently written and has lots of Jes Goodwin designed models. The horrible model line is what's kept me away from the DE for the past 10+ years.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/27 12:49:08


Post by: Sidstyler


Dash - Maybe take a leap from DE to another dusty army like Tau or Necrons or Daemonhunters?


Could I call him a "bandwagon jumper" then, since I've been playing Tau since I got into 40k?

Point is there's no wrong reason to drop phat cash stacks on an army, but to tell someone they shouldnt play said army because they don't truly "care about DE at all" is sortve out there and fanboyish/elitist.


Just for the record, I understand if lack of popularity piques someone's interest in an army, but I personally think you shouldn't start one up just to be different. I'd never play an army I hated the look and feel of just because no one else is playing them, that's a guaranteed waste of money because you'll either get bored from lack of updates, lack of skill with said army, or in Dash's case when they finally do get an update and you're not the only one playing them anymore.

I just don't see why it matters. If you're good enough then it won't matter how many people start playing DE, you'll still beat them because you've had more experience. And after a while the "bandwagoners" will eBay their armies anyway, so you only have to put up with it for a short while after the release and then you're alone again. I hesitate to call them "bandwagoners" though, not only because I don't think it's a real word (lol), but because there's a lot of people who have been wanting to start DE and have been waiting for the update to do it because they hate the models. It's not really the same thing as bandwagon jumpers who see the new models, go "OMG SPACE WOLVES!", buy a 2000 point army, and then sell it for "OMG TYRANIDS", and then "OMG BLOOD ANGELS", etc.

Not to say there won't be people who do that, but I think it's wrong to label everyone who starts a DE army after the update as such.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/27 14:20:58


Post by: Thunderfrog


OMG SPACE WOLVES.

I hate those guys. Their stupid wolf-landraider-thing-guy eats all of my Eldars.


OMG TYRANIDS.

I hate those guys too. The main player around here uses big bugs and uses 9 Carnifexes w/ that super shooty boob attachment.


OMG BLOOD ANGELS.

I've had the least amount of trouble with them, mostly because only one guy plays them and he painted/modeled a showcase army that looks sweeeeet but hit like a kid with furry mittens.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/27 17:31:17


Post by: Just Dave


So, is this thread still about Dark Eldar rumours or just our opinions on them?

Personally, I'm thinking a thread should be sticked with Dark Eldar rumours on them and locked so it cannot be commented on. Then have a separate thread to 'discuss' it.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/27 17:38:11


Post by: aka_mythos


Well in all fairness... a thread that is 100% only the rumor, is a single post and its updates. Going beyond that these threads are more. Its reasonable to scrutinize the source and to figure out if things fit with other rumors. It is reasonable based on vaguer rumors to try and figure out what they mean. All the posts about blood angels, space wolves, and tyranid not being good enough are a waste of time as much as threads saying necrons and grey knights should be next. DE should have been done a while ago and now they are.

This post is entirely off topic and I apologize.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/27 17:59:47


Post by: Just Dave


I agree, that Dark Eldar should've been done a while ago.

Rumour threads should also be about the discussion of the rumours topic, however, this has been repeatedly warned by the Mods and is constantly straying off topic.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/27 18:45:48


Post by: Aduro


I won't start an army up because no one else is running it, but if there is more than one army I'd like to build (and there always is) then I'll usually go for the least used idea.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/27 21:20:13


Post by: chaos0xomega


Dashofpepper wrote:
Defiler wrote:
Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.


Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?


I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

Example: I played in a BMF (Baddest Mofo) tournament yesterday; 1500 point single elimination tournament. Every mission was annihilation and pitched battle. I brought 23 killpoints.

Game 1 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent conceded on turn1 after losing 1/2 his army.

Game 2 vs. Daemons: Opponent tabled on turn5 (weaponless, immobilized soul grinder wouldn't die) at the cost of a single raider.

Game 3 vs. IG: Opponent conceded on turn 3; I'd lost a single squad of wyches (suicide charge at a 31 man platoon to try keeping the heavy weapons from firing). His triple leman russ battle tanks didn't get to fire the whole game.

Game 4 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent was tabled on turn 5 (land raider in reserve didn't come out till turn4), at the cost of two raiders - along with a couple weapon destroyed and immobilized results.
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Dark Eldar can still absolutely dominate a game. I do absolutely obscene things to most players on the table with my DE. I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them....its nice being at a tournament and people come over and look at my army and say, "Wow, a Dark Eldar player....we had one of those around here once." or my personal favorite, "I used to play Dark Eldar but sold them / traded them because they weren't competitive enough." And then I demonstrate a face-beating. Granted; there are certain armies in certain situations played be good players that can be deadly to DE....but every army has a rock to its scissors. *shrugs*


Well here's a newsflash. If certain rumors are to be believed, it doesn't matter since your tactics will be invalidated because the playstyle is getting a complete makeover.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.


Are they the *identical* Harlequins entry, or do they swap the Shadowseer for a Solitaire?


That has been my conjecture since the release of Codex: Eldar, and it is being supported by rumors I have seen posted on warseer.



The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/28 03:09:38


Post by: Defiler


To be honest, there is no evidence or even rumors founded on anything other than conjecture at this point concerning a Solitaire.

It's "wishful" thinking, possibly a logical connection of the mirror nature of eldar/dark eldar, but in no way has it been rumored by anyone with any amount of credibility as far as those things go.

The closest thing I've heard is there may be an "Assassin" type character in the new book, but that really could have been guessed by anyone.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/28 03:50:53


Post by: Alpharius


Well, here's some good news then!

Because if there is an assassin character, there can certainly be a 'counts as' Solitaire in there too!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/28 16:55:34


Post by: Skarboy


Alpharius wrote:Well, here's some good news then!

Because if there is an assassin character, there can certainly be a 'counts as' Solitaire in there too!


Good call. An archon could probably be done up as a solitaire, too. Dark reapers with dark lances... Probably possible to do a counts as harlie army.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/28 17:30:22


Post by: iheartlargeblasttemplates


Are there already rules for a solitaire? Never even heard of this to be honest.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/28 18:16:02


Post by: Alpharius


I long time ago, yes.

The make Imperial Assassins look rather pedestrian, IIRC!

But it has been a long time since they've had actual rules...


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/28 18:17:34


Post by: iheartlargeblasttemplates


Alpharius wrote:I long time ago, yes.

The make Imperial Assassins look rather pedestrian, IIRC!

But it has been a long time since they've had actual rules...



Sounds cool! Is there any fluff to it i could find on the web?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/29 04:24:09


Post by: Defiler


Basically, he was an eldar HQ statline - with all the options for Harlequin wargear - and the big kicker (besides his base 5 attack or so and ws 8/I 8 (something huge) was that he converted unused charge inches into attacks. So he typically would get somewhere around 10-12 attacks.

Combined with movement wargear and killing blow poisoned weapons, he was pretty savage.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/29 15:19:07


Post by: iheartlargeblasttemplates


jeez sounds like it..


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/29 16:16:51


Post by: Alpharius


He's MIA now, and with the reduced emphasis on HTH and no consolidation into fresh combats, he'd be much less of a threat these days.

UNLESS he had a special rule all to himself enabling him to consolidate into new combats, and having an increased movement rate helping him do so more consistently!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/29 16:30:25


Post by: nosferatu1001


He would be awesome to have back....I thought he was WS10 as well, essentially bloodthirster kickass levels?


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/29 16:33:04


Post by: Alpharius


Pretty much.

I guess constantly fighting off the unwholesome attention of Slaanesh without too many extra levels of protection helps...

...a little!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/29 16:43:18


Post by: The Watcher


Frak me Aduro... we both know that as soon as the 'dex hits the shelf you're gonna own it. and after a brief runthrough you're gonna not only want but NEED an army, like one of those Ethernopian kids needs a sandwich.
you'll do some rad conversion work (yes, i said rad) and the entire army will not get played but a month or so, and will NEVER get painted.
but you'll gawk and heckle mine. as you always do.... *Sniffle* you jerk!


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/29 20:48:09


Post by: Trevak Dal


My two armies are Tau (my first, and largest army) and Chaos Space Marines of a Khornish and Undivided bent (and also capable of being proxied as normal Space Marines...no offense to the people who own more than 2 space marine armies but if it swaggers like an astartes and has overly large shoulder pads...yeah).

My two main opponents play Space Wolves and Eldar, and the other plays Tyrannids and Necrons.

I'd really like a guard army...being just good honest humans against all the aliens, super soldiers and monsters in the galaxy...but they are horde armies or have lots of tanks and I see them as too easy to be unsporting (e.g. Leafblower).

The Dark Eldar appeal to me because they are simiilar to the Romulans from star trek in that they are the 'more grim' space elfs, though I've also read that most Eldar were like the Dark Eldar at one point, and that's why the DE refer to themselves as "the True Kin" (again, a similarity between Romulans and Vulcans).

If the models are interesting, and the improove/flesh out the background of the Dark Eldar more, I'd seriously look into getting a small force at some point (probabally no more than 800 points).

As it stands though, I won't be buying anything warhammer related until next July (2011), except going halves on a box set for Fantasy (I got a small Lizardmen army too).



The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/30 03:30:38


Post by: iheartlargeblasttemplates


uhh this thread is about DE not your other armies but cool.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/30 13:06:29


Post by: Farmer


Trevak Dal wrote:My two armies are Tau (my first, and largest army) and Chaos Space Marines of a Khornish and Undivided bent (and also capable of being proxied as normal Space Marines...no offense to the people who own more than 2 space marine armies but if it swaggers like an astartes and has overly large shoulder pads...yeah).

My two main opponents play Space Wolves and Eldar, and the other plays Tyrannids and Necrons.

I'd really like a guard army...being just good honest humans against all the aliens, super soldiers and monsters in the galaxy...but they are horde armies or have lots of tanks and I see them as too easy to be unsporting (e.g. Leafblower).

The Dark Eldar appeal to me because they are simiilar to the Romulans from star trek in that they are the 'more grim' space elfs, though I've also read that most Eldar were like the Dark Eldar at one point, and that's why the DE refer to themselves as "the True Kin" (again, a similarity between Romulans and Vulcans).

If the models are interesting, and the improove/flesh out the background of the Dark Eldar more, I'd seriously look into getting a small force at some point (probabally no more than 800 points).

As it stands though, I won't be buying anything warhammer related until next July (2011), except going halves on a box set for Fantasy (I got a small Lizardmen army too).



Wow, nobody cares though.

Any news on DE.


The Dark Eldar thread... @ 2010/07/30 15:09:12


Post by: Alpharius


Yeah, this thread might have reached its natural conclusion for now.

Someone start up a new one once we're closer to the unveiling - or if you stumble across new rumors and/or pics!