While I'm glad they're coming, I'm sad that the October release date has slipped and will be missed!

Alpharius wrote:While I'm glad they're coming, I'm sad that the October release date has slipped and will be missed!

I really wanted a september release but a release is better than "next year" any day.

Pushing High Elves in October with a new second wave of models is fine with me

The 40k aesthetic isn't "crappy looking models". Putting the "realism" issue aside, the warriors especially just look terrible with their current design.

That was never what was being discussed in the comments to which I was responding or in my responses. Quality of the execution is a different issue than the basic concept of the art design of the models.

Is 6 plastic boxes a record for a new army? I've been thinking about it and I can't remember any release getting so much plastic support all at once.

6 new plastic boxes does seem high, but they've been working on them...

...forever!

So, maybe?

Plus, it is all Jes Goodwin stuff, right?

No better way to make a BIG splash than to go REAL big at the start.

Maybe!

I hope!

Jes Goodwin is single-handedly repsonsible for a huge portion of my GW purchases over the years and I told him so when he visited the US for Games Day a few years ago. No matter how little I actually need more models at certain times, if Goodwin sculpts something I nearly always want to collect, build and paint it. His work is just brilliant. It will be great to see what he does with the Dark Eldar range.

BrassScorpion wrote:Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.

Let's not confuse realism and believability.


Private Boneshardy McLoincloth here is not a realistic soldier. I can however, believe that he is what Dark Eldar are supposed to be in the 40K mythos. Therefore, it is a good design.


Dark Lord Dookiepants is not a realistic soldier. Nor is be believable as the most powerful space elf in a cabal of other evil space elfs. He looks like he stayed up all night gluing some poor schmuck's face to his helmet just to be extra (x2) scary. I can see him having to interrupt his own orders every couple of minutes to sit down because his shoulder pads and GIANT DUNCE CAP OF DOOM WITH SCARY SPIKES is giving him lower back pain. So then he sits down and tries to adjust his facemask face because the glue came loose after that last round of las-fire his unit took and now he can't see. So he reaches up and is all like, "OH ! I FORGOT I'M EDWARD SCISSORHAND!" So then the evil space elfs have to retreat because their commander stabbed himself in the brain again and instead of telling them where to strike is just sitting there saying, "bibblebibblebibblebibbleThatRazorgorModelLooksSweetBibble."

No one really wants Warhammer to be realistic. But asking for it to be believable is totally fair.

The Crippler wrote:Is 6 plastic boxes a record for a new army? I've been thinking about it and I can't remember any release getting so much plastic support all at once.

Happens when the boss of the plastic department, Jes Goodwin, is given free hand. And 6 new plastic boxes in 12 years doesn't sound record breaking

JOHIRA wrote:Private Boneshardy McLoincloth here is not a realistic soldier. I can however, believe that he is what Dark Eldar are supposed to be in the 40K mythos. Therefore, it is a good design.

I am not sure how" realistic Space Elves" look but the design has evolved a bit since this pic.

JOHIRA wrote:Dark Lord Dookiepants is not a realistic soldier. Nor is be believable as the most powerful space elf in a cabal of other evil space elfs. He looks like he stayed up all night gluing some poor schmuck's face to his helmet just to be extra (x2) scary. I can see him having to interrupt his own orders every couple of minutes to sit down because his shoulder pads and GIANT DUNCE CAP OF DOOM WITH SCARY SPIKES is giving him lower back pain. So then he sits down and tries to adjust his facemask face because the glue came loose after that last round of las-fire his unit took and now he can't see. So he reaches up and is all like, "OH ! I FORGOT I'M EDWARD SCISSORHAND!" So then the evil space elfs have to retreat because their commander stabbed himself in the brain again and instead of telling them where to strike is just sitting there saying, "bibblebibblebibblebibbleThatRazorgorModelLooksSweetBibble."

Wonderful!

Johira is spot on imho.

Apart from evil nastiness the other characteristic of DE is speed. No NOT amylnitrate, but sheer zoomobility.

Acheron looks like he just got up with a raging hangover and is begging for the first cigarette of the day.
(Note to our American friends, cigarette is a slang word for a cigarette, though with DE you may be forgiven for taking an alternative meaning.)

Fleet of foot?
He's gonna go arse over tip as soon as he tries to walk!

The design ought reflect the main characteristics of the army imho

People are using the term "realism" but surely the point is that it is possible to synthesise the nature of the race with imagination, a degree of practicality and the cool factor.

Even if the next incoming is DE I wouldn't put it past GW to squat DE when the release date comes and release GK's instead

Dear Sweet Jeebus: Please let Jes have had the foresight to make the new Dark Eldar plastics be largely compatible with the WHFB Dark Elf plastics (the Corsairs especially).

Sincerely, A Soon-to-be-poverty-stricken Gamer

Let's not confuse realism and believability.

Yeah, let's not do that. One guy with ridiculous horns on his helmet is no more or less believable than another in a game full of guys with giant horns on their helmets.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Acheron looks like he just got up with a raging hangover and is begging for the first cigarette of the day.
(Note to our American friends, cigarette is a slang word for a cigarette, though with DE you may be forgiven for taking an alternative meaning.)

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
People are using the term "realism" but surely the point is that it is possible to synthesise the nature of the race with imagination, a degree of practicality and the cool factor.

This is truth. CW Eldar have evolved over the years and retained their theme while having it updated and revised. I too hope that the dark elf plastics are compatible with dark eldar and that the new dark eldar models are similar enough to at least some eldar models to make converting possibilities available.

The word your looking for is suspension of disbelief. Good fiction tricks your imagination into thinking something that doesn't exist could in our world, like a well sculptured space elf. Bad fiction, like dark eldar models, just make you giggle at the absurdity

I have a Dark Eldar army and am interested in seeing what the newest version of the army will bring, but I could almost hope the Dark Eldar release never materializes for one simple reason. The whining about everything there is to discuss about them, from appearance to game play and of course how long it's taken to revise them, is again reaching fever pitch. Once pictures of the actual models are released and the Codex is revealed the complaining from those overzealous fans whose expectations are not met will likely explode like Krakatoa, showering the gaming community with the ichor that is their hatred of everything GW does.

Now, does anyone have any actual news or substantive rumors about this release? If not, the MODS will hopefully kill off this thread until something newsworthy materializes down the road, in which a case new thread and a new bout of complaining can begin.

Like the whining and disappointment expressed over the new High Elves and Skaven?

If they are good they will be well received. Not everyone will be impressed but that is fair enough if people genuinely find the models are not to their tastes.

Share some of the love from that satellite of yours

Talk about being a wet blanket

Yeah, I tend to agree that while there's always complaining, there's been plenty of people going ga-ga for their models in recent years. Even on dour old Dakka. The gushing over the Space Hulk plastics alone would fill Lake Erie.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Let's not confuse realism and believability.

Yeah, let's not do that. One guy with ridiculous horns on his helmet is no more or less believable than another in a game full of guys with giant horns on their helmets.

I don't agree. I follow schoolground rules of laugh at the guy with the biggest horns on his hat. It's too mad Nagash went into hiding.

Seriously though, look at 2nd edition craftworld Eldar compared to the present Eldar. They've evolved quite a lot. I look forward to the Dark Eldar models evolving just as much.

gorgon wrote:Yeah, I tend to agree that while there's always complaining, there's been plenty of people going ga-ga for their models in recent years. Even on dour old Dakka. The gushing over the Space Hulk plastics alone would fill Lake Erie.

Was it the gushing or the plastic that filled Lake Erie?

Come on, you know those were limited edition. Wouldn't even fill one of the finger lakes.

Now Space Marine plastics, that's another story (looking at Lake Superior...)

BrassScorpion wrote:Now, does anyone have any actual news or substantive rumors about this release? If not, the MODS will hopefully kill off this thread until something newsworthy materializes down the road, in which a case new thread and a new bout of complaining can begin.

It is getting really annoying now. There has been substantial news on the first page. I even repeated it for a lazy reader on page 3. If you are unable to find the info in only 4 pages, I am really sorry for you, but please stop discrediting this thread as it is not our fault but yours.

6 plastic boxes, 2 metal boxes and 3 blisters plus one specialty item: News taken from the GW website -> major news.
Next waves January and March -> major rumours by former Warseer mod "Avian".

Edit: Hmm where is JohnHwangDD's post, that doubted the news content and that I was responding to?

I was never really a fan of the Dark Eldar.. same as I've never been a fan of Dark Evles.. or any sortve "Dark X" unit that seems to fill the niche for the more angsty players who like the evil side of things because it's edgy.

(Note: Not accusing DE players of being Twilight obsessed emo kids.. although I had to take a stab at my rival faction. ^_^ )

See: Vampire the Masquerade.

That said - I do think they had a nice backstory, their perversion and fall from grace. They are a lot deeper than the average "Dark X."

THAT said.. I think they got jipped in their codex fluff, which is fairly important to me for whatever reason. I hope the next codex does allow them to field Harlequins, as the Eldar Codex alluded to Harlies being a go between for the two races. Perhaps the Laughing God sees Eldar as Eldar, dark or not?

Im quite excited to see how they do with these models and book

Sorry, but they're all sold out at the Warstore. Maybe they'll do a rerelease for the DE.

JOHIRA wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:Not much point to argue for realism in a particular model range without looking at the game's aesthetic sensibilities as a whole.

Let's not confuse realism and believability.


Private Boneshardy McLoincloth here is not a realistic soldier. I can however, believe that he is what Dark Eldar are supposed to be in the 40K mythos. Therefore, it is a good design.


Dark Lord Dookiepants is not a realistic soldier. Nor is be believable as the most powerful space elf in a cabal of other evil space elfs. He looks like he stayed up all night gluing some poor schmuck's face to his helmet just to be extra (x2) scary. I can see him having to interrupt his own orders every couple of minutes to sit down because his shoulder pads and GIANT DUNCE CAP OF DOOM WITH SCARY SPIKES is giving him lower back pain. So then he sits down and tries to adjust his facemask face because the glue came loose after that last round of las-fire his unit took and now he can't see. So he reaches up and is all like, "OH ! I FORGOT I'M EDWARD SCISSORHAND!" So then the evil space elfs have to retreat because their commander stabbed himself in the brain again and instead of telling them where to strike is just sitting there saying, "bibblebibblebibblebibbleThatRazorgorModelLooksSweetBibble."

No one really wants Warhammer to be realistic. But asking for it to be believable is totally fair.

You made me lol really hard

On topic, I really hope they get new Dark Eldar stuff soon. They (along with Tau) are the most interesting armies to me in 40k and if the codex is good I might start a Dark Eldar army. Even if I don't start one, considering the time this codex has languished in obscurity, I hope they are top tier, right near the tip.

Ahaha.. that was the best thing I've ever read on Dakka...My face hurts from laughing.

Johira = Awesome.

I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Dashofpepper wrote:Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Sure it will.

You'll be the guy with the crappy Morley models when everybody else has the sexy Goodwin models...

Go you!

But at least this means you'll be able to say "I was into Dark Eldar before they became the next big thing!"

That could be me John

I am looking forward to a new codex that doesn't makes the DE overpowered but gives some enhancements so they have a fair chance.

Won't be getting the new models purely on the grounds of budget and time contraints. Both are sorely overstretched hiobbywise as it is!

However am looking forward to seeing the new minis.
The bandwagaon phenomena will be a blip till the next best new thing turns up.

The only reason I didn't start with Dark Eldar, when I recently joined the Hobby, is because the Miniatures were in need of refreshment, and the Codex was FUBAR. (Hm... I wonder if that displays as an anagram. ). Anyways, I know what I'm doing come Christmas Time.

Are there actually any Mini Pictures yet?

its time dey get a new codex.
but still won't play dem .

Who cares if people jump on the bandwagon?

In fact, if you DON'T want your army to get Squatted, you should hope that LOTS of people jump on the bandwagon!

You wont even be able to compare old DE vs new DE imo.. Sure people will jump on the bandwagon but it seemed almost like self-torture to be one of the few who played them in the past :p

Everytime Id look at those models I wanted to cut out my eyes.. Even Opus Dei would consider the punishment of using those models too severe!


On another note - I agree completely with Alpharius. DE was in major danger of just being dropped all together and GW is taking a gamble by bothering to release them. If you want more updates you better hope lots of people play them

Melissia wrote:But at least this means you'll be able to say "I was into Dark Eldar before they became the next big thing!"

Hell yeah, 70 Warriors (6 splinter cannons, 6 dark lances), 10 Wyches, 3 Raiders, 2 Ravagers, 5 Scourge (splinter cannons), 7 Reave jetbikes, 10 Wyches, Talos. 8 Incubi, Drazhar, Urien Rakarth, and a Archon modeled out of a dark elves sorccerers, ready to be remodeled, painted an so on with the new codex =3 (first codex I got, first army and so on, oh 1999)

quietus86 wrote:its time dey get a new codex.
but still won't play dem .

Yes indeed, Marine players cannot stomach us, *sips some delicious soultea* omnomnom

Kirasu wrote:You wont even be able to compare old DE vs new DE imo.. Sure people will jump on the bandwagon but it seemed almost like self-torture to be one of the few who played them in the past :p
On another note - I agree completely with Alpharius. DE was in major danger of just being dropped all together and GW is taking a gamble by bothering to release them. If you want more updates you better hope lots of people play them

Mm, propably not be able to compare, propably not even in rules. I hope they will keep the Open-toped raiders for swift assaults. They actualy need to add some survivability to the army. I don't think we'll get a superfragile force as before, but time will tell.
It was good that Eye of Terror campaign came about, it was mostly due to our (DE players) numerous participation helped us for not being poked out of the map =)

Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I want DE to look like eldar.. I have 12k of eldar so Id prefer just to proxy, then photoshop them later so they look evil

But if the models are super sweet (a notch above "whoa") Ill buy them.. Not much difference between Eldar and goth eldar esp if goodwin is sculpting them

Defiler: Agreed about the above!

And from up here, those models look pretty good!

Oh yeah:

Coloured version of picture in Rulebook. Dunno if it's only fanmade though.

Anyone else seeing some kind of dark "monster" between the raiders? I didn't notice it before but now that someone colored it I can see it. It's probably a shadow or someone just put it there to mess with us.

Ah I see what it is, a Hellion, http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440235a&prodId=prod1050234
see? =3

Maybe I don't see the board, and hellions are suppose to be wyches. After looking at it again its probably another warrior jumping off, I just kinda glanced at it before thought it looked pretty big but I think its just a warrior now.

I wonder what the guys with the backpacks are. Grotesques?
I wonder if there will be any boxes that can cross over with eldar. For example, a "dark wraithguard" plastic set would be outstanding. Plastic Harlequins would also be great.

Pretty sure dark eldar dont use the technology required to produce wraithguard or wraithlords, nor the psychic ability.. As for harlequins... the metal kit makes astounding models I seriously dont see why GW would produce plastic kits for great models

After all they have to fix the ENTIRE DE range already to worry about 'quins!

That's very similiar to what I have:

Archon + 9 man Incubi retinue 1 Raider
Drachon + 9 man Incubi retinue
3 Haemonoculi
10 Mandrakes (Made from warriors)
10 Wyches 1 Raider
9 Grotesques
20 Warriors
30 Warriors on 3 Raiders
(60 unpainted warrirors 1 Raider in the works heavily converted)
10 Reavers
3 Hellions
2 Ravagers
2 Talos

Kirasu wrote:Pretty sure dark eldar dont use the technology required to produce wraithguard or wraithlords, nor the psychic ability..

As for harlequins... the metal kit makes astounding models I seriously dont see why GW would produce plastic kits for great models

Dark Eldar use the same basic soul "technology" as every other Eldar, the difference is the host:
- (Craftworld) Eldar use psychoactive crystal wraithbone and spirit stones to host souls.
- Exodite Eldar use stone circles and so on
- Dark Eldar use their bodies

Similarly, Dark Eldar have the same Psyker potential, but the lack the Rune technology to use it safely. I expect some unit expansion here, seeing how IG got PBS out of nowhere...

Seems then without the wraithbone they cant make wraithlords or wraithguard which is all i was saying

Im sure they'll get new units just dont expect "dark wraithguard".. Honestly i wish they'd rename Dark eldar while they're at it, such a horribly uncreative name just like Dark Elves and wood elves

By those naming conventions Bretonnia should just be named "Horse empire" or have vampire counts be "Vampire Undead" and tomb kings be "Egyptian Undead".. There has gotta be some better names out there!

Kirasu wrote:Seems then without the wraithbone they cant make wraithlords or wraithguard which is all i was saying

dont expect "dark wraithguard"..

Honestly i wish they'd rename Dark eldar while they're at it, such a horribly uncreative name just like Dark Elves and wood elves

Bretonnia should just be named "Horse empire" or

have vampire counts be "Vampire Undead" and tomb kings be "Egyptian Undead".. There has gotta be some better names out there!

Exactly. No wraithstuffs, because that ain't how DE work.

I could easily see a Dark Ogryn or Dark Battlesuit filling the Wraithguard / Terminator slot.

Agreed. "Chaos Eldar" has such a better ring to it.

"Horsey Empire", yes.

Nah, "Egypt" doesn't exist in the Old World. Try "Wet Undead" and "Dry Undead" - it's more apt.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Sure it will.

You'll be the guy with the crappy Morley models when everybody else has the sexy Goodwin models...

Go you!

Burn, lol.

I like the current models for the most part, so maybe I can pick up a DE army on the cheap with the new codex. I played DE at the beginning of 3rd, but I kept breaking the models....I hope they fix that.

Luthon1234 wrote:Maybe I don't see the board, and hellions are suppose to be wyches. After looking at it again its probably another warrior jumping off, I just kinda glanced at it before thought it looked pretty big but I think its just a warrior now.

if you look on the black and white picture in the rulebook you still see a skyboard guy there.

No speculation on the guys with goggles and backpacks in the lower part of the famous picture? They don't look like anything in the current DE range.

Dark eldar do use captured wraithbone, (Terrorfex) at least.

I reckon the backpack contains a net. Are those dudes Haemunculi?

Maybe the guys want a game of soccer and the IG are on the DE's pitch? Or are the nets for dragging off captives?

I've been wanting to start DE for a long time but have been waiting for new models. Now the codex is about to arrive I'm really worried that they won't feel the same, tactically and strategically speaking, with the new codex as they did with the old.

I feel like DE has a (deserved) reputation as a hard army to play where poor choices can result in utter collapse and ruin but good choices result in devastating success. With IG my other main army I really want something that plays in that sort of micro-managed, all-or-nothing way ... hope they keep that feeling :/

GWS took Orkz from 3rd edition straight into 5th, without losing much - if any feeling.

I don't think this is something they can afford to mess up, and probably spent a lot of time balancing the new stuff versus the crusty old gamers who would throw a fit if a statline was changed or a weapon acted differently.

It is getting really annoying now. There has been substantial news on the first page.

Yes it is getting really annoying now. There's some information on page 1 and then page after page after that of useless..., well, I already covered that. That was my point, not that there was no information in the topic at all, but that there was no uesful information in 90% or better of it by the point in the thread where I made the comment.

DE threads get started in anticipation of the influx of news that commonly trickles in during the months before any new release.
But this doesn't seem to be happening for DE. These threads drone on repeating the same sentiments ad nauseum because they give nobody anything to talk about. We can't even express opinions because we all know that we don't know anything! The only part of this conversation that has changed in the past 5 years is the surety that the release is happening.

On the other hand, there's not much point in locking these threads because another will pop up a couple days later.

Personally, at this point, I couldn't care less about new rules or release wave schedules.


All I want are pictures.

All I want are pictures.

The Dakka moderators & other established posters were keen on shouting down people who cried salt about the Dark Eldar already in early May. These people told me back then that the studio would be releasing pictures within a month. I'm still waiting. Don't hold your breath.

BrassScorpion wrote:

It is getting really annoying now. There has been substantial news on the first page.

Yes it is getting really annoying now. There's some information on page 1 and then page after page after that of useless..., well, I already covered that.

One page with news&rumour and 4 pages without is above average on Dakka
To be fair, we don't get substantial news every day.

Slight divergence OT with a common gripe.
GW don't help with their news blackouts.

People want to know if and what and when DE gets a revamp.
People will speculate to fill in the vacuum.

My other hobby manufacturers give annual release schedules. This still gets people exercised and discussing the releases.
Of course there are times when subjects fail to materialise, but that is to be expected as things change, go wrong or for whatever reason the release date is pushed back or eventually cancelled.

Often there are pre production sprue shots posted, or test shots seen at model shows. Net result is usually people bouncing up and down with anticipation.

GW the other hand....
TBH I find their attitude condescending and actually rather disrespectful to the fanbase. Is it because they only want the dollar from the youngsters that they behave like parents in the run up to Christmas and don't want to spoil the childrens' surprise?

Oh fun. I skim through this thread to see some leaked pics, no matter how blury, but found nothing. You're all lucky JOHIRA is awesome.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Slight divergence OT with a common gripe.
GW don't help with their news blackouts.

People want to know if and what and when DE gets a revamp.
People will speculate to fill in the vacuum.

My other hobby manufacturers give annual release schedules. This still gets people exercised and discussing the releases.
Of course there are times when subjects fail to materialise, but that is to be expected as things change, go wrong or for whatever reason the release date is pushed back or eventually cancelled.

Often there are pre production sprue shots posted, or test shots seen at model shows. Net result is usually people bouncing up and down with anticipation.

GW the other hand....
TBH I find their attitude condescending and actually rather disrespectful to the fanbase. Is it because they only want the dollar from the youngsters that they behave like parents in the run up to Christmas and don't want to spoil the childrens' surprise?

Well,at least from a dollars and cents standpoint,it seems that GW is enjoying record profitability(at least if their stock reports are to be believed). Good luck convincing GW to adapt release schedule policies from their less successful competition. Why would you do something your competition is doing if it's less successful than what you're doing? Sounds like bad buisness to me.

Whatever1 wrote:Well,at least from a dollars and cents standpoint,it seems that GW is enjoying record profitability(at least if their stock reports are to be believed). Good luck convincing GW to adapt release schedule policies from their less successful competition. Why would you do something your competition is doing if it's less successful than what you're doing? Sounds like bad buisness to me.

Well, for several years now, GW's sales and profits and customer numbers decrease, which is (artificially) bad business sadly tolerated by the stock holders. While the designers do a great job, the managers do a bad job for years, ignoring basic management rules like doing no advertising and basically ignoring the fan base. But this is another topic discussed many times before. Let's move back on topic.

OK, on topic.

If the 2nd wave is ready to go, would they show pics of unreleased models in the codex? Have they ever done that?

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

If the only reason you're getting into an army is because no one plays them, then you're probably getting into that army for the wrong reason.

Not to mention it makes you look pretty shallow and selfish. So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?

Apologies for going OT chaps

Morally repugnant
Gakk models (though I don't mind most of them)
Rubbish codex cos they have been left behind.

What's to love?
TBH I got the chance of buying an army ready to play for the kids at the library where I run a club.
In the small number of small games played so far I have enjoyed them.
Yes at present they are fragile, but there is something there worth persisting with. Not sure what it is, but I have been converted. Even if no GS has been used in the process.

If the only reason you're getting into an army is because no one plays them, then you're probably getting into that army for the wrong reason.

Not to mention it makes you look pretty shallow and selfish. So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?

TBH this was a big reason I started the DE path myself. Of course it was back in 3rd edition when the army was still new but everyone was saying you could not win with the army and at the time the models were not that bad compared to what else was out there. After trying them out I enjoyed playing the list but alas I eventually set it and my wych cult aside due to lack of GW love in the codex and editional updates.

@Reds8n do we know if any pics or such will be leaked soon or more details on the rules?

I doubt any pics will be leaked. Until GW is ready to actually set a release date we won't see the first pic. So expecting to enter a thread to see leaked pics really is an asinine perspective.

The fact that we 'may' have some leaked info on stats of weapons is amazing to me. Speculation is all we really have at the moment as we all know GW is like a woman and changes it's mind on a whim. Think about some of the new plastic Daemon releases...they were ready years ago but only now got released.

As for GW's business practice and the debate on releasing info being either good or bad for business...let's just avoid that tired argument ok?

I have already apologised for raising the question of GW's release policy which to me isn't old. Not everyone has been around gaming and Dakka forever. So please bear that in mind.

Calling someone asinine for hoping to see leaked pics is not very polite.

Comments about women like that aren't polite either.

So expecting to enter a thread to see leaked pics really is an asinine perspective.

Dakka rules prohibit me from putting you in your place so please choose your words more carefully . Coming into a thread labled Dark Eldar hoping for leaked pics and rules is EXACTLY why it is here. With an expected release date of November leaks should start dribbling in as the number of people who claim to have seen the models is increasing.

Defiler wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

Example: I played in a BMF (Baddest Mofo) tournament yesterday; 1500 point single elimination tournament. Every mission was annihilation and pitched battle. I brought 23 killpoints.

Game 1 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent conceded on turn1 after losing 1/2 his army.

Game 2 vs. Daemons: Opponent tabled on turn5 (weaponless, immobilized soul grinder wouldn't die) at the cost of a single raider.

Game 3 vs. IG: Opponent conceded on turn 3; I'd lost a single squad of wyches (suicide charge at a 31 man platoon to try keeping the heavy weapons from firing). His triple leman russ battle tanks didn't get to fire the whole game.

Game 4 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent was tabled on turn 5 (land raider in reserve didn't come out till turn4), at the cost of two raiders - along with a couple weapon destroyed and immobilized results.
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Dark Eldar can still absolutely dominate a game. I do absolutely obscene things to most players on the table with my DE. I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them....its nice being at a tournament and people come over and look at my army and say, "Wow, a Dark Eldar player....we had one of those around here once." or my personal favorite, "I used to play Dark Eldar but sold them / traded them because they weren't competitive enough." And then I demonstrate a face-beating. Granted; there are certain armies in certain situations played be good players that can be deadly to DE....but every army has a rock to its scissors. *shrugs*

Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.

Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.
Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Kroothawk in post #9 of this thread wrote:Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

No way, are you sure?

Sidstyler wrote: So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?

Um, Dark Space Elfs are fictional, they don't care if our love for them is sincere or not.

Really. We're not going to hurt their feelings.

Kroothawk wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.
Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Kroothawk in post #9 of this thread wrote:Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

No way, are you sure?

This is awesome, and I must have overlooked this tidbit - thanks Kroothawk!

And I'm with you - go go Solitaire!!!

Dark Eldar news & rumours obviously have a cloaking device that puts even Predators and Romulan Birds of Prey to shame

Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.

Are they the *identical* Harlequins entry, or do they swap the Shadowseer for a Solitaire?

Dashofpepper wrote:

Defiler wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

I'm pretty sure I do in fact understand those terms, and I also understand you're obnoxious, full of yourself, and deluded.

I would suggest sticking to the battle reports section, and continuing to masturbate over your proclaimed indie tournament record.

You're not a DE player, bud, just someone who needs competition to validate lacking parts of his own psyche. You have to live with that, and I don't. So congrats! I hope you run into 5 MILLION DE players in the very next tournament held after their release.

I'm picking up some Dark Eldar to give the army a whirl, so anything they update with a new codex is extra gravy for me...

And Defiler and Dash, how about we take the abuse and debasement of one another to PMs? You are both getting upset over one another and moderation may have to be dragged in to situate you two in opposite corners.

For respect of each other and Dakka, please discontinue eroding this thread into an argument.

EDIT: I am no better (and I can cite many examples), but quitting it could be a good idea.

I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me.
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I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them.

So you're admitting that you're not a true competitive player then? Since competitive players are all about the challenge and actually want their opponents to be competent and know how to deal with their armies? At least that's what I thought competitive players wanted anyway, that's what Stelek's entire "mission" is centered around.

I mean you just blatantly came out and said you didn't want Dark Eldar to get updated because then you'd have to work harder for your wins, and it might be the end of your "Slaanesh-style domination" of people. It really sounds like you're more interested in clubbing baby seals than true competition. And that's even worse than what I thought before, I thought you just wanted to be "unique" for playing an unpopular army.

And no this isn't "flamebait", I'm not starting gak, I'm just saying that this is the picture you're painting and it doesn't look very good.

...Harlequins are in the book, don't bet or rely on the Solitaire being in there though.

If we could refrain from calling each other names and making accusations about why people do X/Y/Z, that'd be great.

reds8n wrote:

...Harlequins are in the book, don't bet or rely on the Solitaire being in there though.

Thank you for that info. If the two players in the sand box stop kicking sand at each other, can we have another cookie?

Did they look like the same rules to you, or did you not get that much info other than their presence?

Sidstyler wrote:

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

If the only reason you're getting into an army is because no one plays them, then you're probably getting into that army for the wrong reason.

Not to mention it makes you look pretty shallow and selfish. So you don't care about DE at all, you're just playing them so you can be "special"?

There's absolutely no wrong reason to pick any army. Even if you just copy the latest internet Army List from Ard Boyz, then build an army to match so you can win as much as possible, it's not a "Wrong" reason. There's no such thing.

I picked Eldar for two reasons.. I think Warlocks look cool and no one else at my store played them. Considering I was brand new to the hobby at the time, being the only guy with a army of sleek looking space elf wizards was a neat idea. I can totally understand someone being on the slightly more emo side of that pendulum and going with DE instead.

Just a viable reasons for selecting the army to spend your money on is..

Competitiveness (which is relative )
Price ( The fact I found 2000 points of Eldar for sale on Dakka for 150$ also helped my decision between playing Eldar or Daemons.)
Cool factor of the models
Love of Fluff
Religion? ( I have a friend who picked grey knights because they oppose daemons and he sees them as militant nazi space catholics. He himself is catholic, so they appealed to him for some reason.)

Point is there's no wrong reason to drop phat cash stacks on an army, but to tell someone they shouldnt play said army because they don't truly "care about DE at all" is sortve out there and fanboyish/elitist.

Can't we all just get along?

Dash - Maybe take a leap from DE to another dusty army like Tau or Necrons or Daemonhunters? (Although GW wont sell Daemonhunters stuff to my LGS anymore, Codeci anyways. Maybe they're getting updated soon as well.) I'm sure you could sell/trade your DE at a hot rate to the new guys once the new codex comes out.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Defiler wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

Example: I played in a BMF (Baddest Mofo) tournament yesterday; 1500 point single elimination tournament. Every mission was annihilation and pitched battle. I brought 23 killpoints.

Game 1 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent conceded on turn1 after losing 1/2 his army.

Game 2 vs. Daemons: Opponent tabled on turn5 (weaponless, immobilized soul grinder wouldn't die) at the cost of a single raider.

Game 3 vs. IG: Opponent conceded on turn 3; I'd lost a single squad of wyches (suicide charge at a 31 man platoon to try keeping the heavy weapons from firing). His triple leman russ battle tanks didn't get to fire the whole game.

Game 4 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent was tabled on turn 5 (land raider in reserve didn't come out till turn4), at the cost of two raiders - along with a couple weapon destroyed and immobilized results.
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Dark Eldar can still absolutely dominate a game. I do absolutely obscene things to most players on the table with my DE. I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them....its nice being at a tournament and people come over and look at my army and say, "Wow, a Dark Eldar player....we had one of those around here once." or my personal favorite, "I used to play Dark Eldar but sold them / traded them because they weren't competitive enough." And then I demonstrate a face-beating. Granted; there are certain armies in certain situations played be good players that can be deadly to DE....but every army has a rock to its scissors. *shrugs*

good stuff.
I hope I can play like that with the new codex when its out..

Harlequins in BUT no new models (i.e., Solitaire) might mean that they aren't selling well at all, or as well as GW would like, so 'yes' to available to more armies and 'no' to new models...

I am sad.

Alpharius wrote:Harlequins in BUT no new models (i.e., Solitaire) might mean that they aren't selling well at all, or as well as GW would like, so 'yes' to available to more armies and 'no' to new models...

I am sad.

ugh man those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches. I would have thought that this would have been a good time to release the solitare for DE and then release it for the new kraftworld eldar.

Luthon1234 wrote:those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches.

Harlequins *should* be better CC specialists than Wyches.

I think it could always be a matter of "better" in different ways. So while I'm sure Harlequin will overall be better than wyches, I'm also sure wyches will still be able to do things that Harlies can't and may be able to exceed Harlies in a few areas.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Luthon1234 wrote:those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches.

Harlequins *should* be better CC specialists than Wyches.

Why's that? Oh right that citadel codex where a single solitaire could go through one squad and end up on the other side of the table. GW wants to sell them so there's no point in me crying about them being in the DE codex but hopefully they will have the bright idea of moving wyches to troops.

Wyches as troops is pretty much solves a number of things for GW... the lack of second troop choice, the fact that plastic box for the unit would need to justify cost.

Luthon1234 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Luthon1234 wrote:those harlie models are disgusting to and just watch they'll be better CC specialist than wyches.

Harlequins *should* be better CC specialists than Wyches.

Why's that?

Wyches are Troops. Harlequins are Elites.

Kroothawk wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.
Now I have to go scrub my eyes off for going to Warseer.

Kroothawk in post #9 of this thread wrote:Harlequins seem to be in (hoping for solitaire ), DE Avatar not so much.

No way, are you sure?

Whoop, sorry dude. I'm pretty good about catching things like that, but I haven't gone back and read page 1 since this thread started. If only I remembered you posted that tidbit, then I never would have had to go to that awful place...

WarOne wrote:I'm picking up some Dark Eldar to give the army a whirl, so anything they update with a new codex is extra gravy for me...

And Defiler and Dash, how about we take the abuse and debasement of one another to PMs? You are both getting upset over one another and moderation may have to be dragged in to situate you two in opposite corners.

For respect of each other and Dakka, please discontinue eroding this thread into an argument.

Yeah well....HE STARTED IT!

I'll join the bandwagon if this codex is decently written and has lots of Jes Goodwin designed models. The horrible model line is what's kept me away from the DE for the past 10+ years.

Dash - Maybe take a leap from DE to another dusty army like Tau or Necrons or Daemonhunters?

Could I call him a "bandwagon jumper" then, since I've been playing Tau since I got into 40k?

Point is there's no wrong reason to drop phat cash stacks on an army, but to tell someone they shouldnt play said army because they don't truly "care about DE at all" is sortve out there and fanboyish/elitist.

Just for the record, I understand if lack of popularity piques someone's interest in an army, but I personally think you shouldn't start one up just to be different. I'd never play an army I hated the look and feel of just because no one else is playing them, that's a guaranteed waste of money because you'll either get bored from lack of updates, lack of skill with said army, or in Dash's case when they finally do get an update and you're not the only one playing them anymore.

I just don't see why it matters. If you're good enough then it won't matter how many people start playing DE, you'll still beat them because you've had more experience. And after a while the "bandwagoners" will eBay their armies anyway, so you only have to put up with it for a short while after the release and then you're alone again. I hesitate to call them "bandwagoners" though, not only because I don't think it's a real word (lol), but because there's a lot of people who have been wanting to start DE and have been waiting for the update to do it because they hate the models. It's not really the same thing as bandwagon jumpers who see the new models, go "OMG SPACE WOLVES!", buy a 2000 point army, and then sell it for "OMG TYRANIDS", and then "OMG BLOOD ANGELS", etc.

Not to say there won't be people who do that, but I think it's wrong to label everyone who starts a DE army after the update as such.

OMG SPACE WOLVES.

I hate those guys. Their stupid wolf-landraider-thing-guy eats all of my Eldars.


OMG TYRANIDS.

I hate those guys too. The main player around here uses big bugs and uses 9 Carnifexes w/ that super shooty boob attachment.


OMG BLOOD ANGELS.

I've had the least amount of trouble with them, mostly because only one guy plays them and he painted/modeled a showcase army that looks sweeeeet but hit like a kid with furry mittens.

So, is this thread still about Dark Eldar rumours or just our opinions on them?

Personally, I'm thinking a thread should be sticked with Dark Eldar rumours on them and locked so it cannot be commented on. Then have a separate thread to 'discuss' it.

Well in all fairness... a thread that is 100% only the rumor, is a single post and its updates. Going beyond that these threads are more. Its reasonable to scrutinize the source and to figure out if things fit with other rumors. It is reasonable based on vaguer rumors to try and figure out what they mean. All the posts about blood angels, space wolves, and tyranid not being good enough are a waste of time as much as threads saying necrons and grey knights should be next. DE should have been done a while ago and now they are.

This post is entirely off topic and I apologize.

I agree, that Dark Eldar should've been done a while ago.

Rumour threads should also be about the discussion of the rumours topic, however, this has been repeatedly warned by the Mods and is constantly straying off topic.

I won't start an army up because no one else is running it, but if there is more than one army I'd like to build (and there always is) then I'll usually go for the least used idea.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Defiler wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:I can honestly say that I'm not looking forward to a new DE codex. :(

Part of the reason I chose DE is because no one plays them - with a new codex, all the FOTM bandwagon brats are going to jump onto the latest and greatest, and my army isn't going to be a unique oddity at a tournament anymore.

Haven't you only started playing 40k a few years ago?

Do you really think you have the seniority to talk about "your" esoteric army, and how you don't want the brats jumping on "your" bandwagon?

I'm pretty sure YOU jumped on OUR bandwagon.

Drop the elitism, especially if you don't have the experience to back it up?

I'm pretty sure that you don't know what flavor of the month is, or what a bandwagon is, or what the contextual relevance of jumping on a bandwagon means....and when you add it to the personally insulting nature of your post, all that you wrote was flamebait. Since we're both Dark Eldar, I can fluffily encourage you to eviscerate yourself and be satiated.

I'm serious though, I'm not looking forward to lots of Dark Eldar players running around. I run rampant at tournaments - partly because people don't have a ready answer and tactics to face off against me. I *chose* Dark Eldar because they were more complicated than my Orks, less forgiving of errors, and if well-used, offer the ability to perform Slaanesh-stype domination of literally anyone.

Example: I played in a BMF (Baddest Mofo) tournament yesterday; 1500 point single elimination tournament. Every mission was annihilation and pitched battle. I brought 23 killpoints.

Game 1 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent conceded on turn1 after losing 1/2 his army.

Game 2 vs. Daemons: Opponent tabled on turn5 (weaponless, immobilized soul grinder wouldn't die) at the cost of a single raider.

Game 3 vs. IG: Opponent conceded on turn 3; I'd lost a single squad of wyches (suicide charge at a 31 man platoon to try keeping the heavy weapons from firing). His triple leman russ battle tanks didn't get to fire the whole game.

Game 4 vs. Space Wolves: Opponent was tabled on turn 5 (land raider in reserve didn't come out till turn4), at the cost of two raiders - along with a couple weapon destroyed and immobilized results.
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Dark Eldar can still absolutely dominate a game. I do absolutely obscene things to most players on the table with my DE. I'm not looking forward to people becoming significantly more aware of my army and its capabilities, of many more people playing them....its nice being at a tournament and people come over and look at my army and say, "Wow, a Dark Eldar player....we had one of those around here once." or my personal favorite, "I used to play Dark Eldar but sold them / traded them because they weren't competitive enough." And then I demonstrate a face-beating. Granted; there are certain armies in certain situations played be good players that can be deadly to DE....but every army has a rock to its scissors. *shrugs*

Well here's a newsflash. If certain rumors are to be believed, it doesn't matter since your tactics will be invalidated because the playstyle is getting a complete makeover.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Some dude on Warseer says Harlequins are in the book.

Are they the *identical* Harlequins entry, or do they swap the Shadowseer for a Solitaire?

That has been my conjecture since the release of Codex: Eldar, and it is being supported by rumors I have seen posted on warseer.

To be honest, there is no evidence or even rumors founded on anything other than conjecture at this point concerning a Solitaire.

It's "wishful" thinking, possibly a logical connection of the mirror nature of eldar/dark eldar, but in no way has it been rumored by anyone with any amount of credibility as far as those things go.

The closest thing I've heard is there may be an "Assassin" type character in the new book, but that really could have been guessed by anyone.

Well, here's some good news then!

Because if there is an assassin character, there can certainly be a 'counts as' Solitaire in there too!

Alpharius wrote:Well, here's some good news then!

Because if there is an assassin character, there can certainly be a 'counts as' Solitaire in there too!

Good call. An archon could probably be done up as a solitaire, too. Dark reapers with dark lances... Probably possible to do a counts as harlie army.

Are there already rules for a solitaire? Never even heard of this to be honest.

I long time ago, yes.

The make Imperial Assassins look rather pedestrian, IIRC!

But it has been a long time since they've had actual rules...

Alpharius wrote:I long time ago, yes.

The make Imperial Assassins look rather pedestrian, IIRC!

But it has been a long time since they've had actual rules...

Sounds cool! Is there any fluff to it i could find on the web?

Here's a little:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldar_Harlequins#Solitaires

Basically, he was an eldar HQ statline - with all the options for Harlequin wargear - and the big kicker (besides his base 5 attack or so and ws 8/I 8 (something huge) was that he converted unused charge inches into attacks. So he typically would get somewhere around 10-12 attacks.

Combined with movement wargear and killing blow poisoned weapons, he was pretty savage.

jeez sounds like it..

He's MIA now, and with the reduced emphasis on HTH and no consolidation into fresh combats, he'd be much less of a threat these days.

UNLESS he had a special rule all to himself enabling him to consolidate into new combats, and having an increased movement rate helping him do so more consistently!

He would be awesome to have back....I thought he was WS10 as well, essentially bloodthirster kickass levels?

Pretty much.

I guess constantly fighting off the unwholesome attention of Slaanesh without too many extra levels of protection helps...

...a little!

Frak me Aduro... we both know that as soon as the 'dex hits the shelf you're gonna own it. and after a brief runthrough you're gonna not only want but NEED an army, like one of those Ethernopian kids needs a sandwich.
you'll do some rad conversion work (yes, i said rad) and the entire army will not get played but a month or so, and will NEVER get painted.
but you'll gawk and heckle mine. as you always do.... *Sniffle* you jerk!

My two armies are Tau (my first, and largest army) and Chaos Space Marines of a Khornish and Undivided bent (and also capable of being proxied as normal Space Marines...no offense to the people who own more than 2 space marine armies but if it swaggers like an astartes and has overly large shoulder pads...yeah).

My two main opponents play Space Wolves and Eldar, and the other plays Tyrannids and Necrons.

I'd really like a guard army...being just good honest humans against all the aliens, super soldiers and monsters in the galaxy...but they are horde armies or have lots of tanks and I see them as too easy to be unsporting (e.g. Leafblower).

The Dark Eldar appeal to me because they are simiilar to the Romulans from star trek in that they are the 'more grim' space elfs, though I've also read that most Eldar were like the Dark Eldar at one point, and that's why the DE refer to themselves as "the True Kin" (again, a similarity between Romulans and Vulcans).

If the models are interesting, and the improove/flesh out the background of the Dark Eldar more, I'd seriously look into getting a small force at some point (probabally no more than 800 points).

As it stands though, I won't be buying anything warhammer related until next July (2011), except going halves on a box set for Fantasy (I got a small Lizardmen army too).

uhh this thread is about DE not your other armies but cool.

Trevak Dal wrote:My two armies are Tau (my first, and largest army) and Chaos Space Marines of a Khornish and Undivided bent (and also capable of being proxied as normal Space Marines...no offense to the people who own more than 2 space marine armies but if it swaggers like an astartes and has overly large shoulder pads...yeah).

My two main opponents play Space Wolves and Eldar, and the other plays Tyrannids and Necrons.

I'd really like a guard army...being just good honest humans against all the aliens, super soldiers and monsters in the galaxy...but they are horde armies or have lots of tanks and I see them as too easy to be unsporting (e.g. Leafblower).

The Dark Eldar appeal to me because they are simiilar to the Romulans from star trek in that they are the 'more grim' space elfs, though I've also read that most Eldar were like the Dark Eldar at one point, and that's why the DE refer to themselves as "the True Kin" (again, a similarity between Romulans and Vulcans).

If the models are interesting, and the improove/flesh out the background of the Dark Eldar more, I'd seriously look into getting a small force at some point (probabally no more than 800 points).

As it stands though, I won't be buying anything warhammer related until next July (2011), except going halves on a box set for Fantasy (I got a small Lizardmen army too).

Wow, nobody cares though.

Any news on DE.

Yeah, this thread might have reached its natural conclusion for now.

Someone start up a new one once we're closer to the unveiling - or if you stumble across new rumors and/or pics!