I haven't seen a thread like this on dakka in awhile so I thought I would get one going. What are some things you do not put on your models even though they come standard and what are some models you do not like to put together.

I for one dont put the bolters on my rhinos. I just do not like how they look on them at all so I don't put them on. I hardly ever actually shoot said bolters so its never an issue.

The one and only thing I dont like to build are CSM marines holding bolters. Cutting off the bolter grip then glueing it onto there trigger hand then getting it to look right with there other hand that is holding the bolter wheres on my patience rather quickly. I may just be doing it the hard way some how but I never look forward to doing those models even though I love how they look.

The other was I tried to build a penitent engine with out pinning anything nor any zip kicker that was a nightmare.

Plain old guardsmen.

So many of them, with 6 or 7 pieces to mold line each...

Taking me forever.

I hate building large numbers of uniform troops. My Fire Warriors bored the hell out of me. My Tactical Marines were a bit better, since they're each a bit different, but still, putting together large numbers of them was a drag. I dunno how I'm ever going to slog my way through building an IG regiment.

Daemonettes can be tricky if you mix the legs up.

Certain legs only fit with certain bodies, and it's kind of hard to tell which ones pair up without going through every single one and trying it, then you find out that one leg doesn't seem to fit any and you've made a mistake somewhere...

Games workshop also provided unhelpful instructions... There really should be some kind of law against instructions that just show a picture of a leg, and a big exclamation mark.

As for bit I don't use... I don't use those things that come with marines that look like nunchuks! Mainly cause I can't figure out what they are. What are those things?

Oddly enough I hate the guns with attached hands. esp kroot. Drive me mad trying to get them to line up and make conversions tricky (I like giving guys weapons on shoulder straps and the like). Whole arms arn't too bad but when its just a hand its horrible.

Things I never put on models... hmm... back banners, never looked right on my wolves for some reason.

SmackCakes wrote:Daemonettes can be tricky if you mix the legs up.

Certain legs only fit with certain bodies, and it's kind of hard to tell which ones pair up without going through every single one and trying it, then you find out that one leg doesn't seem to fit any and you've made a mistake somewhere...

Games workshop also provided unhelpful instructions... There really should be some kind of law against instructions that just show a picture of a leg, and a big exclamation mark.

Oh man, this is the truth. I'm pretty sure I messed up at least one or two of the Daemonettes I just assembled the other day - two of them look like they're falling over.

SmackCakes wrote:As for bit I don't use... I don't use those things that come with marines that look like nunchuks! Mainly cause I can't figure out what they are. What are those things?

I'm not sure what you're referring to. What Marine set does it come with? Tac? Assault? All of them? Is it on the Sergeant sprue or the regular Marine sprues?

Is it held in a hand?

The Hive Tyrant I put together was a real whore of a model.

I'd have to say that anything with really bad mould lines irks me; doesn't matter what it is.

SaintHazard wrote:Oh man, this is the truth. I'm pretty sure I messed up at least one or two of the Daemonettes I just assembled the other day - two of them look like they're falling over.

Haha yeah I did exactly the same thing, first one I did looked like she was falling backwards, then I figured out what was happening... but the last one then ended up with a big gap . Fortunately after some filling and 'creative' basing they just about came out okay.

SmackCakes wrote:As for bit I don't use... I don't use those things that come with marines that look like nunchuks! Mainly cause I can't figure out what they are. What are those things?

I'm not sure what you're referring to. What Marine set does it come with? Tac? Assault? All of them? Is it on the Sergeant sprue or the regular Marine sprues?

Is it held in a hand?

It's on the regular marine sprue, with arms, legs and bolt guns, near all the purity seals. It isn't in a hand. Looking at it again it might possibly be some alternative kind of grenade(?) or a pipe/stick bomb, but it's quite ornate. It really just reminds me of nunchucks lol. I think I tried hanging it from a belt once, but it was too big to really fit anywhere properly.

SmackCakes wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:Oh man, this is the truth. I'm pretty sure I messed up at least one or two of the Daemonettes I just assembled the other day - two of them look like they're falling over.

Haha yeah I did exactly the same thing, first one I did looked like she was falling backwards, then I figured out what was happening... but the last one then ended up with a big gap . Fortunately after some filling and 'creative' basing they just about came out okay.

SmackCakes wrote:As for bit I don't use... I don't use those things that come with marines that look like nunchuks! Mainly cause I can't figure out what they are. What are those things?

I'm not sure what you're referring to. What Marine set does it come with? Tac? Assault? All of them? Is it on the Sergeant sprue or the regular Marine sprues?

Is it held in a hand?

It's on the regular marine sprue, with arms, legs and bolt guns, near all the purity seals. It isn't in a hand. Looking at it again it might possibly be some alternative kind of grenade(?) or a pipe/stick bomb, but it's quite ornate. It really just reminds me of nunchucks lol. I think I tried hanging it from a belt once, but it was too big to really fit anywhere properly.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. I always figured it was some kind of communication device, like the Dev Sergeant's signum.

Ammo pouches on Marines. Just dont look....right

That part is a pair of scroll cases.

I never put on back banners for any of my marines. Sure they look kind of cool, but no Soldier in his right mind would run around the battlefield with a giant brightly colored banner on a 4 foot pole attached to his back. (Samurai excluded).

SmackCakes wrote:As for bit I don't use... I don't use those things that come with marines that look like nunchuks! Mainly cause I can't figure out what they are. What are those things?

If it's the thing I'm thinking of, I thought it was a pair of incense censers. They can't be krak grenades, and it's unlikely that they're meltabombs, especially since we have a well known model for meltabombs.

Kolath wrote:That part is a pair of scroll cases.

I never put on back banners for any of my marines. Sure they look kind of cool, but no Soldier in his right mind would run around the battlefield with a giant brightly colored banner on a 4 foot pole attached to his back. (Samurai excluded).

This is it. Scroll cases. I totally knew that.

Looking at my Librarian and my Chaplain, they've got them on the models... I feel like an idiot now.

Regarding the back banners... come on, man! You're nine feet tall and clad in brightly colored power armor.

Why not go the extra yard and wear an awesome looking back banner?

Truth be told, I never used them before now, but now that I'm redoing all of my Marines, I'm adding back banners to the Tac Sergeants showing their squad number and type. It looks pretty awesome.

Kolath wrote:That part is a pair of scroll cases.

I never put on back banners for any of my marines. Sure they look kind of cool, but no Soldier in his right mind would run around the battlefield with a giant brightly colored banner on a 4 foot pole attached to his back. (Samurai excluded).

Ahhh thanks! Mystery solved!

So to conclude: I never use... scroll cases!

As for back banners? I do like them... I don't like when they snap off in the carry case though...

Things I hate to build: Anything metal.

*grumbles about her Sisters of Battle miniatures*

But yes... that's really the main complaint I have. I definitely prefer to build vehicles over infantry though.

Imperial guard gun arms. They don't always like going on.

rhino based things. The top part that forms the basic ceiling always seems to pop up over the from treads, making it look as if I have a pair of odd exhaust ports there.

I hate putting on the gun in the center of the drop pod I'm always tempted to just glue the stupid doors shut and be done with it. I also hate having to glue the heavy bolters back on my predators like every other week.

cromwest wrote:I also hate having to glue the heavy bolters back on my predators like every other week.

This.

Predator sponsons really need to be redesigned, they snap off like nobody's business.

Every marine that I have who doesn't have his helmet on gets a helmet. $40 Sammael kit? You get jeweler's saw and helmet too, no screaming faces here.

It's dangerous outside, put your goddammed helmet on.

Definately Daemonettes. I have had to use so much green stuff sorting mine out... pure evil to stick!

RxGhost wrote:Every marine that I have who doesn't have his helmet on gets a helmet. $40 Sammael kit? You get jeweler's saw and helmet too, no screaming faces here.

It's dangerous outside, put your goddammed helmet on.

Lol, I feel the same way. Mostly because I hate painting faces, but also because the hairstyle on Sororitas models is hideous.

I can paint pretty well. Can do great table top quality so not much more I could ask for but for the life of me I cant paint faces. Everyone gets a helmet always. My guardsmen? Everyone gets a gas mask!

As someone else said. Building mass same looking infantry can get old as well in the same sitting.

Lemme see, I have a lot of these.

1) Top-knots. On orks, or on Chaos Marines. I hate them, I think they look stupid. I cut off any and all top-knots. Any other hair on orks gets removed too.

2) Horns on chaos marines. I avoid those heads altogether.

3) Flag poles on the back of motorcycles. Eldar jetbikes, marine bikes, the old ork bikes - all had poles for banners. Gah.

4) Agree on the helmet thing - Marines should wear helmets.

5) Tongues on tyranids. That was my wife's army, and her decision, she thought the tongues made them too recognizable - she wanted more alien. So we cut out all the tongues on every model in the army.

This is sounding more like what I remove than what I don't add...

Lemme see;
All orks get one piece of 'bling' from the sprue. That could be an ammo pouch, a grenade, a strip of bullets, or the like. Basic idea is that everyone gets something. But no heads. I don't like the head bit.

I'm not a big fan of smoke launchers or the giant IG searchlights. It's usually hard to find a good place to put the smoke launchers in particular.

One thing I can't stand is that burny salamanders icon on Vulkan's model.

I just had to cut that off.

Redbeard wrote:Lemme see, I have a lot of these.

1) Top-knots. On orks, or on Chaos Marines. I hate them, I think they look stupid. I cut off any and all top-knots. Any other hair on orks gets removed too.

2) Horns on chaos marines. I avoid those heads altogether.

Amen brother.

Oh man I second that feeling about helmets! While some faces look dramatic, I can't help thinking... you are wearing powered armor that can stop anything short of an anti-tank missile, and you choose to expose the most vulnerable part of your body!?

Kolath wrote:Oh man I second that feeling about helmets! While some faces look dramatic, I can't help thinking... you are wearing powered armor that can stop anything short of an anti-tank missile, and you choose to expose the most vulnerable part of your body!?

Um.

You avatar.

That is all.

SaintHazard wrote:

Kolath wrote:Oh man I second that feeling about helmets! While some faces look dramatic, I can't help thinking... you are wearing powered armor that can stop anything short of an anti-tank missile, and you choose to expose the most vulnerable part of your body!?

Um.

You avatar.

That is all.

I laughed.

Metal gargoyles are horrid.

The most recent Zoanthrope I put together was atrocious. I was really close to chucking that model.

I don't glue any of the belt acessories onto my marines, they don't really fit well anywhere.

I like the chaos belt acessories better, since they fit on better (due to a curved shape) and look cooler IMO.

Also I hate trying to attach the chaos heavy bolter or the scout one, I can never get them to look right on the model.

I suspect that GW made them that way to give me rage.

SaintHazard wrote:

Kolath wrote:Oh man I second that feeling about helmets! While some faces look dramatic, I can't help thinking... you are wearing powered armor that can stop anything short of an anti-tank missile, and you choose to expose the most vulnerable part of your body!?

Um.

You avatar.

That is all.

Touche

OT - I also never use the large bolter ammo packs that come with space marines. While they are the proper size for a bolter clip, the heroic proportions of GW miniatures makes them look far too large for the model. That said, I have seen them used to great effect on truescale marines.

Anything from Forge World. Beautiful models but a huge pain in the ass to work with. Tons of flash, very fragile, occasionally prone to horrible miscasts, etc.

Mostly any metal models are a pain, but the most hated model in all of my time bulding them is the Lord of Change.

Weirdly enough it seemed to go together alright at first, then one of the wings fell off, then the other did, basically the whole model collapsed and had to be rebuilt 4 times over the space of a week. I was not inpressed.

You guys need to learn to pin things...

Hates me.

SmackCakes wrote:Daemonettes can be tricky if you mix the legs up.

Certain legs only fit with certain bodies, and it's kind of hard to tell which ones pair up without going through every single one and trying it, then you find out that one leg doesn't seem to fit any and you've made a mistake somewhere...

Games workshop also provided unhelpful instructions... There really should be some kind of law against instructions that just show a picture of a leg, and a big exclamation mark.

As for bit I don't use... I don't use those things that come with marines that look like nunchuks! Mainly cause I can't figure out what they are. What are those things?

I thought the Daemonettes were just annoying because they were SO tiny, and the arms on mine are almost constantly falling off, and a couple of them ended up with big globs of glue where the arm attaches that I had to hide with some creative use of greenstuff. When my friend got Eldar, and I saw how tiny those were I was glad I never wanted to put any of those together.

In general, I just hate metal models. For the most part I won't buy them. I bought some Sisters of Battle when I first wanted to try painting, and they're all falling apart (even though they're just backpack, one piece body and base) :/ And my Daemon Prince falls apart at the drop of a hat, despite using multiple types of super glue and kicker multiple different times.

Also: I never use faces because my army is all female and GW makes female human faces that look like bad drag queens at best, IMO. The only exceptions are a couple of the Daemonette heads, but they aren't quite human.

GMR wrote:Mostly any metal models are a pain, but the most hated model in all of my time bulding them is the Lord of Change.

Weirdly enough it seemed to go together alright at first, then one of the wings fell off, then the other did, basically the whole model collapsed and had to be rebuilt 4 times over the space of a week. I was not inpressed.

What in the hell are you using to glue your metal minis that allows bits to just "fall off?" Plastic glue? Wood glue? Emperor forbid, superglue?

I use a two-part epoxy gel. The metal is more likely to break than that stuff. Give that a try.

Things I don't put on my models:

Dark Angels: I'll put my vote down for non-helmeted heads too... I can paint faces pretty well, and have had to paint them on some of the metal models, but it's war, and you should never go to war without your helmet! The movie Starship Troopers had one of the best examples... Live Fire Training + Taking Helmet Off to Kiss it = Headsplosion!

Tyanids: The good majority of biomorph bits. Personally, I don't see them adding enough to the model to justify the fiddly-ness of them, but saying that, they are good for conversions!

Things I hate to build:

Dark Angels: Trying to think of something, but I don't find anything in the SM range all that difficult to assemble...

Tyranids: Old, metal Raveners... Given, when I was putting them together I only had gakky glue and it was late in the night, but it frustrated me to no end! Never again... They're all plastic now though, so... YAY!

RxGhost wrote:Every marine that I have who doesn't have his helmet on gets a helmet. $40 Sammael kit? You get jeweler's saw and helmet too, no screaming faces here.

It's dangerous outside, put your goddammed helmet on.

QFT

I only have one Captain without one & thats only because I was going for the He-Man look.

I made my Wolves mostly without helmets because they don't need no god damned helmets, Lukas the trickster proved these guys can take a shot to the dome.

I never really realized how much effort painting faces is. I regret leaving so many helmets off, big-time.

Also, DE Raiders. I have never found a reliable way to keep them on their bases.

SaintHazard wrote:

GMR wrote:Mostly any metal models are a pain, but the most hated model in all of my time bulding them is the Lord of Change.

Weirdly enough it seemed to go together alright at first, then one of the wings fell off, then the other did, basically the whole model collapsed and had to be rebuilt 4 times over the space of a week. I was not inpressed.

What in the hell are you using to glue your metal minis that allows bits to just "fall off?" Plastic glue? Wood glue? Emperor forbid, superglue?

I use a two-part epoxy gel. The metal is more likely to break than that stuff. Give that a try.

Okay, it seems I've just inadvertently painted myself as a dribbling moron, with a constantly disintegrating army of metal miniatures; I can assure you all that any problems gluing most them are trivial at best, but compared to plastic still an irritation, mostly based around the length of time it takes for the glues to dry.

Believe it or not, superglue is the last option I tried and the one that has actually held the thing together. I usually use the gel glue I have, followed up by an infusion of superglue, which I've never had any problem with, even on equivalent scale models like the Bloodthirster (Still in one piece after 5 years and a move of home). It just seems the Lord of change refused to hold together for reasons I can't quite explain.

I cannot for the life of me get the space marine plasma gun to fit on my marines arms it just seems way to big.

I do have to say however that the plastic chaos plasma gun is a beutiful thing.

I really hate assembling obliterators they are sod to assemble as the wepons just wont fit properly in the holes , i've started to pin them now which is marghinaly better.

'claw

this is why we do conversions. they make it fun.

I spent 14 hours just poseing my assault marines, and thats before I paint them!

The worst part is the fact that they're just so easy to work with! and fun! plus, the arms are independant of each other, so it's easy to make normal conversions.
and making their feet work to pose is so much fun.

Just do some conversions, and it's fun. but thats the reason I don't f**king use guard.

I hate putting together the rhino tracks. they're better then airfix, but they're still dificult, all the peices look the same!

DEUS VULT wrote:Ammo pouches on Marines. Just dont look....right

Yeah. Holstered Bolt Pistols are fine, and can ever make for interesting 'Draw' Conversions, but the Ammo Pouches are just weird. Occasionally, I've seen them on the Chests of Assault Marines, and they look not bad, but that'd be too easy to mess up.

Redbeard wrote:Lemme see, I have a lot of these.

1) Top-knots. On orks, or on Chaos Marines. I hate them, I think they look stupid. I cut off any and all top-knots. Any other hair on orks gets removed too.

2) Horns on chaos marines. I avoid those heads altogether.

3) Flag poles on the back of motorcycles. Eldar jetbikes, marine bikes, the old ork bikes - all had poles for banners. Gah.

4) Agree on the helmet thing - Marines should wear helmets.

5) Tongues on tyranids. That was my wife's army, and her decision, she thought the tongues made them too recognizable - she wanted more alien. So we cut out all the tongues on every model in the army.

This is sounding more like what I remove than what I don't add...

Lemme see;
All orks get one piece of 'bling' from the sprue. That could be an ammo pouch, a grenade, a strip of bullets, or the like. Basic idea is that everyone gets something. But no heads. I don't like the head bit.

I'm not a big fan of smoke launchers or the giant IG searchlights. It's usually hard to find a good place to put the smoke launchers in particular.

Yes to the topnots and helmets. Except Libby's, I dont think they look better with a helmet, no-one can see the lightning in their eyes

And my preds no longer get sponsons unless they're the old hybrid ones.

Personally, I never put the large pouches on marines, the small ones and grenades that fit on the belt, yes, but the big ones look silly to me.

Burna boyz. The left-hand strap does not attach to the burna the way it's supposed to. Also the instructions for the hydraulic lines to the Stompa's close combat weapon were so unhelpful that I just left half of them off.

Popsicle wrote:

DEUS VULT wrote:Ammo pouches on Marines. Just dont look....right

Yeah. Holstered Bolt Pistols are fine, and can ever make for interesting 'Draw' Conversions, but the Ammo Pouches are just weird. Occasionally, I've seen them on the Chests of Assault Marines, and they look not bad, but that'd be too easy to mess up.

I actually clip them onto the marines firing hand, see, he'd be able to reach it with the steady hand, [the left hand] and he'd easily be able to acess it.

For a nice effect with them, I cut them into three bits, then put them in acessable places on the models.

GMR wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

GMR wrote:Mostly any metal models are a pain, but the most hated model in all of my time bulding them is the Lord of Change.

Weirdly enough it seemed to go together alright at first, then one of the wings fell off, then the other did, basically the whole model collapsed and had to be rebuilt 4 times over the space of a week. I was not inpressed.

What in the hell are you using to glue your metal minis that allows bits to just "fall off?" Plastic glue? Wood glue? Emperor forbid, superglue?

I use a two-part epoxy gel. The metal is more likely to break than that stuff. Give that a try.

Okay, it seems I've just inadvertently painted myself as a dribbling moron, with a constantly disintegrating army of metal miniatures; I can assure you all that any problems gluing most them are trivial at best, but compared to plastic still an irritation, mostly based around the length of time it takes for the glues to dry.

Believe it or not, superglue is the last option I tried and the one that has actually held the thing together. I usually use the gel glue I have, followed up by an infusion of superglue, which I've never had any problem with, even on equivalent scale models like the Bloodthirster (Still in one piece after 5 years and a move of home). It just seems the Lord of change refused to hold together for reasons I can't quite explain.

Fair enough. Truth be told, some metal models are just like that.

And I'm honestly surprised you're able to make superglue work, at least in the long term. It's one of the few glues that will in fact bond to metal, but I normally expect it to fall apart a month later.

I've tried a few methods with metal models... from superglue to epoxy to the US Navy method (holding them together with layer upon layer of paint).

Epoxy's the only one that's ever lasted for me.

Captain Solon wrote:this is why we do conversions. they make it fun.

Only on plastic models with multiple poses. Converting my Sisters models is NOT fun... converting my Orks or IG? That I can occasionally enjoy (mostly for Ork vehicles).

Melissia wrote:

Captain Solon wrote:this is why we do conversions. they make it fun.

Only on plastic models with multiple poses. Converting my Sisters models is NOT fun... converting my Orks or IG? That I can occasionally enjoy (mostly for Ork vehicles).

Sisters artwork and animations in Dawn of War have given me so many awesome ideas for SoB conversions that it literally hurts. They need plastic models, badly.

I never use the ammo pouches or the grenades,they are just too small for me to try and take the time to deal with and i never know where to put them on the mini.

SaintHazard wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Captain Solon wrote:this is why we do conversions. they make it fun.

Only on plastic models with multiple poses. Converting my Sisters models is NOT fun... converting my Orks or IG? That I can occasionally enjoy (mostly for Ork vehicles).

Sisters artwork and animations in Dawn of War have given me so many awesome ideas for SoB conversions that it literally hurts. They need plastic models, badly.

QFT.

More relevant to the topic, I may have said this already, but I hated building the one squad of Sisters I got to practice on for the very reason that they were metal.

Pedro Kantor wrote:I never use the ammo pouches or the grenades,they are just too small for me to try and take the time to deal with and i never know where to put them on the mini.

I have seen an interesting placement for a grenade on a Berzerker. There was a grenade on its chest that seemed like it was attached to the chain across the chest. It seemed appropriate to me, so I left it there when I bought it used.

I never use back banners. Everyone gets a helmet (unless I run out, I have an extra Dire Avengers Exarch without a helmet.) I try to minimize belt accessories. I try not to convert everything I touch.

Valks are a bloody pain to assemble. So much glue needed to have parts stick together

SmackCakes wrote:Daemonettes can be tricky if you mix the legs up.

Certain legs only fit with certain bodies, and it's kind of hard to tell which ones pair up without going through every single one and trying it, then you find out that one leg doesn't seem to fit any and you've made a mistake somewhere...

Games workshop also provided unhelpful instructions... There really should be some kind of law against instructions that just show a picture of a leg, and a big exclamation mark.

As for bit I don't use... I don't use those things that come with marines that look like nunchuks! Mainly cause I can't figure out what they are. What are those things?

I have a large ultramarine army, and on the last model i ever painted i realised what the nunchucks were, they are scrolls. Bits of metal on the end and in the middle, paper between that.

Redbeard wrote:All orks get one piece of 'bling' from the sprue. That could be an ammo pouch, a grenade, a strip of bullets, or the like. Basic idea is that everyone gets something. But no heads. I don't like the head bit.

I'm not a big fan of smoke launchers or the giant IG searchlights. It's usually hard to find a good place to put the smoke launchers in particular.

Haha... I do the same thing with my Space Marines. Atleast one, but maybe two pieces of bling to make them each a little different and provide a bit more character. I agree on the smoke launchers (with exception to the dreadnought) and search lights as well.

Emmkay wrote:Oddly enough I hate the guns with attached hands. esp kroot. Drive me mad trying to get them to line up and make conversions tricky (I like giving guys weapons on shoulder straps and the like). Whole arms arn't too bad but when its just a hand its horrible.

Things I never put on models... hmm... back banners, never looked right on my wolves for some reason.

I have to agree with you on this. I was given about 40 kroot which I painted up a year or two ago. This was the worst part of the build. Trying to match those hands to the arms really got to me.

I never put 'sprue bling' on. All the extra bits, like grenades, purity seals, etc. I might need those bits for conversions later. I also fanatically save every tiny bit that I don't use.

I hate (hatehatehate) models that can only go together one 'correct' way. I just put together a box of scouts and discovered (much to my dismay) that if the torsos won't attach correctly unless they are pivoted. What's more, if you pivot them to the right, then the arms won't fit on correctly! (At least when armed with shotguns) I very nearly destroyed a few models in a fit of Hulkish rage.

I hate putting together Land raiders what a pain.The things i don't use are ammo packs and guards mens belt acssesories also I hate setting up heavy weapons of any kind.

Jimsolo wrote:I hate (hatehatehate) models that can only go together one 'correct' way. I just put together a box of scouts and discovered (much to my dismay) that if the torsos won't attach correctly unless they are pivoted. What's more, if you pivot them to the right, then the arms won't fit on correctly! (At least when armed with shotguns) I very nearly destroyed a few models in a fit of Hulkish rage.

I agree with this 100%. I had a hell of a time assembling my Necrons, because although they're relatively flexible, if you attempt to customize them in any way that doesn't involve them staring straight downfield, guns held at rest, they look doofy. I wanted to have a few staring down the "sights" of their Gauss guns, a few holding their guns in one hand by the stock, maybe one pointing or otherwise gesturing downfield - it can't be done.

I also had to rip the torsos off and reglue them when I realized they're supposed to be hunched forward. If you stand them upright, then put the heads on, they're looking 45 degrees up in the air.

Lack of customizability in models makes me rage. I love action poses, and use them any time I can. S'why the customizability of Fire Warriors and Battlesuits makes me dance with glee.

Huh, top knots are usually a priority for my chaos marines

I never EVER leave faces on any of my marines. Too much trouble for nothing. Even my champions have helmets, despite GW's tendency to take helmets off of veterans.

How can you possibly stay away from horns though? 80% of the heads on the sprue have horns.

Overmind wrote: The movie Starship Troopers had one of the best examples... Live Fire Training + Taking Helmet Off to Kiss it = Headsplosion!

I knew someone would get shot and spray as they went down. And helmets would stop brain sucking preety well too.

I use helmetless heads for command units. So my HQ and most squad leaders (sterngaurd have a helmeted leader, and I always mistake him for a basic trooper). Helps me pick them out of the crowd, which is nice, and I grew up on the starter sets, so it just came naturaly to not have command units have helmets.(But my command squad is mostly all helmets)

I. Will. Not. Put. On. Decals. I dont CARE if it makes it easy to paint squad symbols, they are the STUPIDIST THING EVER!

Melissia wrote:Things I hate to build: Anything metal.

Agreed. Give me plastic any day. It holds glue more readily, it can be easily repositioned, and can be customized 100% faster than metal.

I hate kroot. I'll put together 100 Necron warriors before I do another Kroot model. The arms/hands just don't fit in a natural way.

In my current SW army, only the guys with heavy/special weapons or on vehicles wear helmets. How can you smell your enemy through a re-breather?

Happygrunt wrote:I. Will. Not. Put. On. Decals. I dont CARE if it makes it easy to paint squad symbols, they are the STUPIDIST THING EVER!

I could not agree more. It just feels wrong and out of place to use them.

Paint... for some reason it always seems I have more models without any than with. Though this is from me either not being able to find the time or spending too much time on a single model. I'll fix this eventual, I hope.

I'll also agree with the metal models. Particularly ones with spears/poles or connecting via a thin joint. The latter is more because I will normally pin any metal model, while the spears never seem solid not stay strait.

Redbeard wrote:Lemme see, I have a lot of these.

1) Top-knots. On orks, or on Chaos Marines. I hate them, I think they look stupid. I cut off any and all top-knots. Any other hair on orks gets removed too.

2) Horns on chaos marines. I avoid those heads altogether.

3) Flag poles on the back of motorcycles. Eldar jetbikes, marine bikes, the old ork bikes - all had poles for banners. Gah.

4) Agree on the helmet thing - Marines should wear helmets.

Wow, are we the same person?

All my CSM have a horn and hair-ectomy. Most of my Orks got their top knots and other hair chooped off too. All my eldar jetbikes have had their flag poles removed.

If I had a SM army, they would all be helmeted, my CSM are hard core though, so some of them wear the half helms or are bare headed.

RxGhost wrote:Every marine that I have who doesn't have his helmet on gets a helmet. $40 Sammael kit? You get jeweler's saw and helmet too, no screaming faces here.

It's dangerous outside, put your goddammed helmet on.

^This

GRENADES
Can't they fit in fething pouches instead of mysteriously floating on guards hips.

Melissia wrote:Things I hate to build: Anything metal.

*grumbles about her Sisters of Battle miniatures*

This.

Am I the only person that actually puts grenades and knife pouches on his guardsmen? It's not that much work, really. The sprue has enough of them to use on the whole unit...

But other than guardsmen, I never put grenades on models. Space marine grenades just looks silly, and the chaos space marine ones are even dumber.

You don't think guardsmen grenades look silly?
Look at their size, even berzerkers use smaller grenades.

They look silly, but it's not like their hard to put on or anything..They make the models look more ready for battle, IMO.

"Hey look at us! All we've got is a lasgun and a helmet, I'm sure we'll last for months on end!"

I hate all the skulls, imperial eagles, and all that other crap that comes on the IG. I've been carving/sanding all of them off . . .

I hate building rhinos. I prefer to build marines than vehicles.

I also never put backpack banners on my marines.

I do sometimes put on frags but I never put on the crack grenades or melta bombs.

I do have one tactical marine holding those scrolls. IMO a rather nice pose that he has going on.

Irdiumstern wrote:I hate all the skulls, imperial eagles, and all that other crap that comes on the IG. I've been carving/sanding all of them off . . .

Someone call the =][=, this sounds like heresy to me.

Banner poles. Thematically it might make sense that the mighty Astartes want their enemies to know who their are facing. But seriously: 1) IC it is just a giant "please kill me"-symbol and 2) poles make transporting the models infuriatingly difficult.

A-P wrote: Banner poles. Thematically it might make sense that the mighty Astartes want their enemies to know who their are facing. But seriously: 1) IC it is just a giant "please kill me"-symbol and 2) poles make transporting the models infuriatingly difficult.

I agree on the second point (allocate two slots to one Marine, problem solved, though) but disagree on the first. You think your nine-foot-tall supersoldier in brightly colored power armor needs a banner to scream "shoot me?"

Trust me, these guys will get noticed with or without their banners.

pdawg517 wrote:I hate building rhinos. I prefer to build marines than vehicles.

Couldn't agree more. Rhinos, although great to have, are a pain to build. I'm so glad that the two land raiders i have were built by their previous owners.

IMO, Rhinos are easy to build but are very boring. At least with infantry you can pose them and have every model look very different.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Am I the only person that actually puts grenades and knife pouches on his guardsmen? It's not that much work, really. The sprue has enough of them to use on the whole unit...

But other than guardsmen, I never put grenades on models. Space marine grenades just looks silly, and the chaos space marine ones are even dumber.

True that Easy to do. I put glue on the grenades,pouches,etc and use a scapel to put them in place.

I hope none of you ever have the misfortune of building a land raider. It has to be one of the most irritating, infuriating and messy builds in 40k. I had to remove the bottom plate about 10 times before I got it perfectly level and straight. If you mess that up, the entire model is wrong. Don't even get me started on that little gear mechanism. Mine was coated in "finger glue". Boy am I glad it isn't visible

Guardsmen, if you foolishly cut all the pieces of the spruce and put in you bit box it can be a real problem getting the arms to match up. I've had to modify a number of my special weapons arms just so it looks like they are actually holding the things. That and there is just so many of them, i've got another 22 to make for a list i'm working on and i'm not looking forward to it.

Also the stupid little elevation wheel on the basilisk main gun, man thatthing is annoying.

SpankHammer III wrote:Guardsmen, if you foolishly cut all the pieces of the spruce and put in you bit box it can be a real problem getting the arms to match up. I've had to modify a number of my special weapons arms just so it looks like they are actually holding the things. That and there is just so many of them, i've got another 22 to make for a list i'm working on and i'm not looking forward to it.

Also the stupid little elevation wheel on the basilisk main gun, man thatthing is annoying.

I did this after I made like 8 guardsmen. I put the rest of the bits in an altoids tin! Anyway, I'm sure I'll have problems with in the future. Next time, I'll carve a number into the inside of the arms.

I'm sure I'll have problems with in the future. Next time, I'll carve a number into the inside of the arms.

I just leave a little bit of spruce connecting them now, doesn't take up too much room.

Oh I also forgot sentinels legs, the ball joint on the foot make putting the rest together a chore.

If the space marine banner is anything like the arial on my armored sentinels I feel your pain.

Does the sentinel have the pieces to make it an armoured one in the box?

Does the sentinel have the pieces to make it an armoured one in the box?

Yeah, its gots loads of bits in the kit actually. You can make three different types. A catachan, Armageddon or Cadian.

Tat remind me of some stuff i never use. The chainsaw on the scout sentinel, until that thing gives me an extra attack i'm not using it and the role cage on sct sentinels.

SpankHammer III wrote:

Does the sentinel have the pieces to make it an armoured one in the box?

Yeah, its gots loads of bits in the kit actually. You can make three different types. A catachan, Armageddon or Cadian.

Tat remind me of some stuff i never use. The chainsaw on the scout sentinel, until that thing gives me an extra attack i'm not using it and the role cage on sct sentinels.

I wish there was a functional use for that thing but your right it is worthless and lame to add to models. another thing i hated building was the renagade ogryn with dkok guy in his hands. It was a chore to get together and I broke it like 8 times.

Samus, I have put together 2 Land Raiders. I feel your pain!

Chainswords for marines. Any and all chainswords suck nuts to clean and offer no advantage. Bolters FTW

You don't like chainswords? I always look forward to putting them on there..Especially on assault marines..Owait

Oh, and I've got a question for you guys. Would you mind terribly if someone proxied a chainsword for a power sword? The cadian sprue only has chainswords on it

Samus_aran115 wrote:You don't like chainswords? I always look forward to putting them on there..Especially on assault marines..Owait

Oh, and I've got a question for you guys. Would you mind terribly if someone proxied a chainsword for a power sword? The cadian sprue only has chainswords on it

So "borrow" a Spess Mehreen's power sword, trim the hand down (or cut it at the hilt) and stick it on the Guardsman. It'll look a tad large, yes, but it's better than a "counts as" chainsword.

Or get one from a Commissar. Or from a Cadian command squad. Or any of the other 5000 places you can get a power sword.

Samus_aran115 wrote:You don't like chainswords? I always look forward to putting them on there..Especially on assault marines..Owait

Oh, and I've got a question for you guys. Would you mind terribly if someone proxied a chainsword for a power sword? The cadian sprue only has chainswords on it

I would go by my standard WYSIWYG stance: If it's the only chainsword on the table OR if all chainswords on your army list are powerswords, sure. If the unit has 3 chainsword but one is a power weapon, then please don't.

See if a Space Marine player/friend will sell you one of his or trade one for the chainsword. Clip off the power sword and chainswords where they touch their respective hands and then glue the powersword where the chainsword was. That would be my first choice.

Also, I like chainswords. Assault marines and Black Templars live by the chainsword!

I was considering putting a CSM power sword on the sergeant, but that would look silly. If nothing else, I can make one out of plasticard

I like putting imperial guard pouches and stuff on but hate having the screamy sargeant heads on anyone but vets!

Oh, and I've got a question for you guys. Would you mind terribly if someone proxied a chainsword for a power sword? The cadian sprue only has chainswords on it

I used catachan bits, use ther big knife/sword and a little bit of wire, paint it blue or something like that and bingo PW

Anything that is just too tiny & fiddly I really can't bother with.

And I can't stand building Ork Warbikers, agin I find them too fiddly. But I love the look of the completed models and I love playing them, so I'm stuck building them.

You could paint the chainsword different.

pdawg517 wrote:You could paint the chainsword different.

If one chainsword in a unit of chainswords is simply painted different and called a power sword, I would not accept that.

There are scant few instances where a paintjob can indicate a different piece of wargear.

The only two examples I can think of off the top of my head are artificer armor and relic blades.

Otherwise there is just about always a difference in the model itself, and even in the two above examples there are different models, it's just very difficult to use them in some instances without heavy conversion.

If it looks like a chainsword, and everything else in your army that looks like a chainsword is, in fact, a chainsword, then it's also a chainsword.

If every single chainsword in your army is actually a powersword, that's different.

Now I'm also stricter than some folks regarding WYSIWYG, but I absolutely hate having to remember different pieces of wargear that don't look different.

SaintHazard wrote:There are scant few instances where a paintjob can indicate a different piece of wargear.

The only two examples I can think of off the top of my head are artificer armor and relic blades.

Forgive me, but I have to: Red Paint Job?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:There are scant few instances where a paintjob can indicate a different piece of wargear.

The only two examples I can think of off the top of my head are artificer armor and relic blades.

Forgive me, but I have to: Red Paint Job?

I said a scant few, not none.

And that's a good example of one.

Anything metal

2 handed shooty weapons (bolters, etc)

SaintHazard wrote:

Irdiumstern wrote:I hate all the skulls, imperial eagles, and all that other crap that comes on the IG. I've been carving/sanding all of them off . . .

Someone call the =][=, this sounds like heresy to me.

I'm going for an Independant Planetary Defence force, admech influenced . . . Possibly with some allied semi-chaos support =P

Irdiumstern wrote:allied semi-chaos support

There it is, folks! He said it, not me!

HERESY!

Actually, purely out of curiosity, what's the rationale for PDF forces lacking the Aquila iconography and insignia?

After all, they're still technically Imperial forces, just Imperial forces stationed on and sometimes recruited from the planet they're defending.

Besides the semi-Chaos allies, of course.

Well, the fluff I came up with was a small forge world, cut off from the Empire of Man by distance and a warp storm. The planet was run primarily by a council of Adeptus Mechanicus, which mostly overruled and ignored the planetary council of various generals, governors, ect.
After the warp storm cut off communications, an aspiring Ad Mech Artisan decided that the strictures placed upon him by the Adeptus Mechanicus were too stagnant to survive (Plus he wanted to build cooler toys than allowed). He convinced the Planetary Council to rebel against the rulers which had ignored them for so long, and they succeeded.
After that, the forge world turned to its own devices, building new and incredible machines in preparation for the war that is sure to come once the warp calms again.

As for the chaos allies, I was thinking a small warband, led by one of the Sorcerers that aided Ahriman in his spell and was cast out by Magus, flew out of the treacherous warp storms surrounding the planet. Having seen what Tzeentch would do to his allies, and what the Imperium does to traitors, they decided to use the third option that presented itself. Of course, navigating through a warpstorm accurately is impossible, so Tzeentch probably had a hand in it.

Mainly, I wanted the armies I am working on to be semi related. My IG are going to get a color scheme similar to the Thousand Sons, especially on the tanks, while my Thousand Sons will be using many outlandish machines. I'm also thinking about making a psyker battle squad chimera with some sort of strange arcane weapon on its back to represent them.

Edit: Heresy? Bring it!

That's some pretty cool fluff, and it makes sense, though you may have some trouble making combat against just about anyone in the galaxy fluffy if you're still cut off by a warp storm. Even so, not bad.

Well, warp storms end all the time, so I'd just advance it a bit and say the warp has calmed. Alternatively, whatever way the Thousand Sons arrived is replicable and allows them to raid through the warp storm. Either way, it works

indiana1000 wrote:I like putting imperial guard pouches and stuff on but hate having the screamy sargeant heads on anyone but vets!

Yeah, I used that one because the other one's didn't look cool enough. I hate that head though. That helmet doesn't even fir over his head!

tyranid guants are boring they all look the same

Magnetizing Tyranid Warriors. It's almost mandatory because they come with such an incredibly large variety of ways they can be outfitted. It's just an incredible pain to do. The chest is two-part, the arms are spindly and heavy and there's not many parts concealing any mistakes you make.

One thing I hate building... That would have to be Kroot. The fact that their arms are so thin and you need to line up both arms with the hands on the gun and the shoulders is just too much of a pain for me. I've only ever built one and there's a reason for it. The same thing applies for SM Scouts, although not nearly as badly because they aren't as scrawny.

The piece that I don't like to use... That would probably have to be the heads that lack a helmet. I know it adds character to your army, but I just don't like having a model stand out like that. I have other ways of identifying my sergeants. This might also be because I can't afford to buy more paints that I will only use for small parts of 1 out of every 10 models. Plus I feel like all my sergeants would be sensible enough to keep their helmets on in the middle of a battlefield so as not to get shot in the head because they were trying to be dramatic.

SaintHazard wrote:

SmackCakes wrote:As for bit I don't use... I don't use those things that come with marines that look like nunchuks! Mainly cause I can't figure out what they are. What are those things?

I'm not sure what you're referring to. What Marine set does it come with? Tac? Assault? All of them? Is it on the Sergeant sprue or the regular Marine sprues?

Is it held in a hand?

@SaintHazard
They come with the Tac squads IIRC and they are not held, they are a decorative piece that goes on the belt.

@SmackCakes
As far as I can tell they are incense burners. I personally like to use them simply because they look cool, which is exactly what they are on the sprue for.

1337m45747r0y wrote:@SaintHazard
They come with the Tac squads IIRC and they are not held, they are a decorative piece that goes on the belt.

@SmackCakes
As far as I can tell they are incense burners. I personally like to use them simply because they look cool, which is exactly what they are on the sprue for.

Dude.

We addressed this and sorted it out like three pages ago. Keep up.

I avoid the long ammo pouches on my Space Marines, and the Melta bombs, since they don;t really fit anywhere. I've also never used the Combat knives, since I wan;t to avoid any confusion about whether or not they have an additional CCW.

At this point, I hate building Rhinos, thought that's probably because I've done about 6 of them.