So. Space Marines will be a 'class', rather than a race.

Exactly as I predicted...

Kanluwen wrote:

So. Space Marines will be a 'class', rather than a race.

Exactly as I predicted...

Wonder if "Tech-Priest" is a machine-controlling support class. Maybe pets, buffs, and heals. Sounds interesting.

Pretty cool. I especially like the reused footage from DoW2 of the battle barges going into the wormhole.

I like that Imperium is a faction, and Space Marines are just a class therein. Means that there won't be a million Marines for every Ork or whatever.

Perhaps, but it almost certaintly means that Imperial Guard is just another class. Which blows the fluff out of the water and then pulverizes it with AA guns.

Awesome. I want more shots of battles with titans walking around, like the rest of the battle is a mere irritation to their daily stroll. This game can't come out soon enough.

I like almost everything i've seen so far.
I am hoping that they somehow balance the imperial classes. because its gonna be a hard sell to get people to be a guardsman when they can be a space marine.
also i dread the thought of orks having to work with chaos.
I'm hoping they go the dark age of camelot route and make more than two factions.

I want to drive the Titan!

Soo... why does it look like the DoW2 engine?

...it's going to take them 3 years to make this... and it's using the DoW2 engine?! Someone please correct me.

Brother SRM wrote:Pretty cool. I especially like the reused footage from DoW2 of the battle barges going into the wormhole.

I like that Imperium is a faction, and Space Marines are just a class therein. Means that there won't be a million Marines for every Ork or whatever.

If the Imperium is but a faction... which factions are left? Cause I am pretty sure all the xenos hate each other... sides, how would raiding work?

Besides that love the vid and only this came to mind.

heres hoping that you play as 1 marine while if your a guardsman you play as a guardsman sergeant and his squad.

hoping anyway

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:heres hoping that you play as 1 marine while if your a guardsman you play as a guardsman sergeant and his squad.

hoping anyway

Seconded. I imagine something similar to the mastermind class in City of Villains!

Leonus wrote:

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:heres hoping that you play as 1 marine while if your a guardsman you play as a guardsman sergeant and his squad.

hoping anyway

Seconded. I imagine something similar to the mastermind class in City of Villains!

Looks that way in the video. The way THQ and Relic were explaining it in past interviews, each class will be set up with an RTS Tech-Tree style skill system (Kinda like WoW). From the look of it, two of those are Guard Spec-Ops and Guard Line Infantry. If you want a squad, I'd imagine Line Infantry would be the way to go. The video and stills of the Spec Ops Guardsman all show him acting alone.

Makes more sense to have each Imperial race as a class. Prevents overpopulation of that unit, stops the immense server imbalance that would come about from having 2 or 3 Imperial factions, and it would work better with the skill-tree thing they're talking about.

Hope you can be a Dreadnought

Leonus wrote:

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:heres hoping that you play as 1 marine while if your a guardsman you play as a guardsman sergeant and his squad.

hoping anyway

Seconded. I imagine something similar to the mastermind class in City of Villains!

The same thing was used in the SEA MMORPG Granado Espada, and while the game itself wasnt very good, the squad system worked.

arkayne819 wrote:Hope you can be a Dreadnought

while that would be kinda awesome, I don't see how that would be balanced or you'd fit through doors.

FlammingGaunt wrote:

arkayne819 wrote:Hope you can be a Dreadnought

while that would be kinda awesome, I don't see how that would be balanced or you'd fit through doors.

I think you just answered your own question.

"Look sir, a dreadnought! We'll never put enough firepower into it before it gets here!"
"Right you are, soldier! We'll be much safer on the other side of that door frame!"

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

FlammingGaunt wrote:

arkayne819 wrote:Hope you can be a Dreadnought

while that would be kinda awesome, I don't see how that would be balanced or you'd fit through doors.

I think you just answered your own question.

"Look sir, a dreadnought! We'll never put enough firepower into it before it gets here!"
"Right you are, soldier! We'll be much safer on the other side of that door frame!"

Hah!


So what do we think our guess are for other factions?

Orks have to be one, with classes like "Big Mek", maybe "Runt Herder", your basic Choppa->Warboss

Eldar, maybe? They'll give the requisite caster class." I think making the Bonesinger a class could be kind of cool, as a kind of "Engineer" type class. Maybe one or two of the Aspect warriors as well.

Chaos has to be in there. Chaos Marines are easy, maybe some LatD for an IG type run, mutant or sorcerer maybe...

That gives us two "good" factions and two "evil" factions.

What are the chances I get to pilot an XV-88?

Considering Tau haven't been in any of the videos as of yet, I'm guessing 'not great'. Probably going to come out in an expansion.

Somehow I'm not sold... looks like it's gonna be another warhammer online or a sandbox MMO

Prophecy07 wrote:

Chaos has to be in there. Chaos Marines are easy, maybe some LatD for an IG type run, mutant or sorcerer maybe...

That's not necessarily true. While I agree they should be in there, they may just be an enemy race of mobs. Sort of like Skaven were in WAR. I would think Chaos would be a playable faction, but you also need to have a central enemy-NPC faction that you're striving to fight against. PvP is awesome, but PvE is what keeps the game grounded. I would believe it if it was the Imperium of Man, Eldar and Orks (player factions) versus Chaos, Tyranids and Daemons (NPC factions).

Not saying it'll be like that at all, but I could see the game working that way.

Edit: Although in the video, it ldoes ook like someone is controlling that Chaos marine.

The enemy race of mobs NPC faction should be Tyranids.

Nah, I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that Nids and Necrons were the NPC bad guys.

Yeah, some of the quick seens they showed seemed to imply that you will (at times anyway) be in control of a squad rather than an individual. I'm curious what the gameplay style is like. Some of the things (like riding bikes) seems to imply its more action oriented, while some other scenes looked more traditional RPG style, and some looked like they were taken directly from DoW...

Also,for races in the video I saw daemons (or a GUO anyway), some chaos marines (looked like word bearers I think), and I think there may have been an ork in there.

I hope that they have ways of keeping SM under control.

Ideas:

Very little inventory space: they are awesome, but can carry very little loot.

Badass but boring to play, very repetitive tactics.

Acardia wrote:boring to play, very repetitive tactics.

WoW?

Acardia wrote:Badass but boring to play, very repetitive tactics.

Right, because making your game boring to play is good design.

If you're worried about balance it would be better to make all PCs elite troops of one type or another (Space Marines, Sepharim, Flash Gitz...) and leave the cannon fodder as NPCs.

puma713 wrote:

Acardia wrote:boring to play, very repetitive tactics.

WoW?

Got Told.

Honestly it looks good but I'm not interested. More so if it's pay to play (which it will be)
If it were essentially Star wars battlefront 2 just with the races swapped then it would be sold already with me.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

FlammingGaunt wrote:

arkayne819 wrote:Hope you can be a Dreadnought

while that would be kinda awesome, I don't see how that would be balanced or you'd fit through doors.

I think you just answered your own question.

"Look sir, a dreadnought! We'll never put enough firepower into it before it gets here!"
"Right you are, soldier! We'll be much safer on the other side of that door frame!"

And that is why the God Emperor invented Holy Promethium fueled Flame Throwers.

I for one will play this game even if it sucks - so long as orks are in it.

JoeyFox wrote:I for one will play this game even if it sucks - so long as orks are in it.

Hear hear!

I'm very set on rocking out a Guard Sergeant, even if the game ends up being complete trash. Though being a THQ/Relic title, that would involve a whole lot of broken mirrors

Whoops, looks like I left my metaphorical fly down... My fanboy was showing

VikingScott wrote:
If it were essentially Star wars battlefront 2 just with the races swapped then it would be sold already with me.

Yeah, that would be awesome, but I'm sure that is something we can probably expect with Space Marine multiplayer, at least I hope so.

I hadn't heard anything about the multiplay but given how many orks 1 Space marine fights in the trailers I've seen I think the multiplayer if any will be limited to SM V CSM team deathmatch and story Co-op.

VikingScott wrote:I hadn't heard anything about the multiplay but given how many orks 1 Space marine fights in the trailers I've seen I think the multiplayer if any will be limited to SM V CSM team deathmatch and story Co-op.

Well 1-4 players fight roughly 1 million zombies in Left 4 Dead, for example, but multiplayer is equal numbers humans vs. zombies in certain modes. Just saying the single player isn't always indicative of how multiplayer modes work. I think they would be foolish not to have extensive multiplayer modes like most games do these days. Anyway, I don't really want to get off topic too much talking about games that aren't Dark Millenium.

As for DM itself, I think it looks promising, I haven't ever gotten into MMOs before, but this I may try just because it's 40k. Aslong as I can run around killing dudes as a Daemon or CSM I'm in! I wonder if we will see legions of players running around as Khorne Berserkers Leeroy Jenkins-style, you know, to keep it fluffy.

VikingScott wrote:I hadn't heard anything about the multiplay but given how many orks 1 Space marine fights in the trailers I've seen I think the multiplayer if any will be limited to SM V CSM team deathmatch and story Co-op.

That is a distinctly different game. That is Space Marine, this is Dark Millennium Online. The title is in this thread's title, the video declaring that it's a far different game is in the OP, and there's already a Space Marine game thread.

Wot, no Battle sisters?

Pass.

pretty much its expected to appeal to MASS warhammer players

so basically dark eldar and such are on the back burner (or the no burner!)

my opinion? DONT GET HOPES UP until say Q3-4 of 2012. this game is not slated till 2013. so really kinda moot to talk about this

Azezel wrote:Wot, no Battle sisters?

Pass.

They are a fringe faction!

Give it time, I'm sure they will show up in a future expansion...

Alpharius wrote:

They are a fringe faction!

Give it time, I'm sure they will show up in a future expansion...

when it could be in the default game? they have 2 1/2 more years. should be plenty of time to add stuff. technically I guess this is the Alpha stage of the game

MMO's are such a life draining waste of time, IMO.

The only way I would play this game is if I could be a Grot.

kenshin620 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

They are a fringe faction!

Give it time, I'm sure they will show up in a future expansion...

when it could be in the default game? they have 2 1/2 more years. should be plenty of time to add stuff. technically I guess this is the Alpha stage of the game

If that was true, then the Alpha Legion would 100% be in it!

I couldn't really care less if it was the worst MMO ever made, I'd still play it 'till it died.

Lost and the Damned For the I shouldn't rely on the swear filter to catch my foul language lest I find myself a-banninated win.

Wow that game looks like Garbage. Absolute Garbage. I hope they tidy that thing up before release. Otherwise it's gonna be DOA.

I cant wait to equip my ork with a Shoota of Intellect.

strange_eric wrote:Wow that game looks like Garbage. Absolute Garbage. I hope they tidy that thing up before release. Otherwise it's gonna be DOA.

Why would they tidy things up? They learned their lesson from Warhammer Online. Making tech requirements too high means less people buying it. Look at World of Warcraft. The system requirements are a joke; half decade old machines can run it as well as a brand spankin' new machine.

That's the secret to getting people into your game. Making it easily accessible.

Looks better graphically than WoW, and thats really all that matters.

Now let me play as an eldar and I'm sold.

Borkin wrote:I cant wait to equip my ork with a Shoota of Intellect.

It would help him win debates, that's for sure!

Wow, looks SO lame. Even by the standards of MMORPGs.

strange_eric wrote:Wow that game looks like Garbage. Absolute Garbage. I hope they tidy that thing up before release. Otherwise it's gonna be DOA.

Because -clearly-, as long as a game has great graphics, that's all that matters. For example, FFXIII had great graphics. It was totally an awesome game. It wasn't dull, rehashed, or running on the most limiting set of rails ever concieved

This game looks more and more dissapointing.

What I was hoping would be a FPS or possibly 3rd person shooter tied to RPG elements (like fallout or planetside) is looking more and more like a WoW Clone where everyone is shooting.

Space Marine: "Space Marines! A group of Chaos there, up that hill! Burn the heretic!"

Space Marine 2: "We can't dood."

Space Marine: "Why not, battle brother?!"

Space Marine 2: "Because it's 2 am and there's no healers online. Weve been spamming lfg and got no response. Besides, you aren't spec'd to tank and without you holding aggro those Chaos Space Marines will run rampant and 1 shot everyone else in the party. I think I'm going to log here and hop on WoW. My guid might be raiding tonight."

Space Marine: "F'ing lame."

Hey! I've got a good idea, let's talk about how much a game is going to suck before it's even in open beta! Clearly, the best way to rate something is through watching a video alone. Only idiots wait to judge a game until they've heard feedback from people in player testing.

metallifan wrote:Hey! I've got a good idea, let's talk about how much a game is going to suck before it's even in open beta! Clearly, the best way to rate something is through watching a video alone. Only idiots wait to judge a game until they've heard feedback from people in player testing.

Especially one that's 3 years away. THREE YEARS.

Not ideal, but it works. So female techpriests and guardsmen at least.

Metallifan <3's sarcasm it seems.

They've announced a WoW style Tiered Talent System.

They've announced a WoW style GUI.

The graphics.. well, I still play FF Tactics. I dont particularly care about those, but if it were important to me, I certainly wouldnt be impressed, especially considering how far behind standards it will be in the said 3 ZOMG YEARS.

(The point raised about a certain recent installment of the Final Fantasy series being bad was a fair one, however. )

Pessimism requires no proof. If the game reviews well, my initial outlook may change, but there's nothing saying I can't lament the direction the game seems to be taking.

Thunderfrog wrote:Metallifan <3's sarcasm it seems.

Indeed, I am rather fond of it. I consider sarcasm a very refined and artistic means of being a jackass. Plus, you can't really get mad at the sarcastic guy, because it tends to be oh-so-slightly humorous in the process.

They've announced a WoW style Tiered Talent System.

Oh, you mean like most other MMO's?

They've announced a WoW style GUI.

Oh, you mean like most other MMO's?

The graphics.. well, I still play FF Tactics. I dont particularly care about those, but if it were important to me, I certainly wouldnt be impressed, especially considering how far behind standards it will be in the said 3 ZOMG YEARS.

It's a good thing you don't. Because... Y'know, Putting an MMO out with top line graphics is sure going to help you build a huge player base. Everyone knows that the best way to make an MMO is to keep the requirements high, so that anyone that wants to play it has to upgrade/replace their comp so that it meets that -one- game's minimum reqs.

(The point raised about a certain recent installment of the Final Fantasy series being bad was a fair one, however. )

What can I say? I may be a sarcastic, comical and slightly self-absorbed arsewad... But when I'm right, I'm right

Pessimism requires no proof. If the game reviews well, my initial outlook may change, but there's nothing saying I can't lament the direction the game seems to be taking.

I never said you needed proof, and I never said you couldn't baselessly complain. just that it was silly of you.

Yea, like most other MMO's.

That was sortve the attraction to Dark Mill... I was hoping it would be vastly different from what I've played and sworn off.

I guess I should specify I dont think it will be horrible because it's the same as all the other MMO's, it just pushes me away a little bit seeing another rehash of the same basic parts, except with guns and tanks instead of Bows and Armored Kodo's.

Thunderfrog wrote:The graphics.. well, I still play FF Tactics. I dont particularly care about those, but if it were important to me, I certainly wouldnt be impressed, especially considering how far behind standards it will be in the said 3 ZOMG YEARS.

SERIOUSLY! SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THE GODDAMN GRAPHICS BECAUSE YOUR SO WRONG! have you seen ALL POINTS BULLETIN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?! it was an ABSOLLUTE EPIC FAILURE because... get this(you'll laugh)...

...THE GRAPHICS WERE TO HIGH!


idiot....

Thunderfrog wrote:
I guess I should specify I dont think it will be horrible because it's the same as all the other MMO's, it just pushes me away a little bit seeing another rehash of the same basic parts, except with guns and tanks instead of Bows and Armored Kodo's.

Because that's what sells. But you've also got to remember, this is an MMORPG. They've got to do it a certain way in order to make it work well for it's players. That's why MMORPGs that try to distance themselves as much as possible from the "WoW Formula" fail. Meanwhile games that're based off of it, and then build on the formula by including things that WoW doesn't, do alright for themselves. It all comes down to the fact that using the WoW approach when building a new MMO is what's going to sell it. Especially if you can give your players things that WoW couldn't/won't.


@twistinthunder

While it's true MMOs with top-notch graphic reqs tend to flunk, you could probably point that out without looking morose.

I am keeping my eye on it. The game could go either way at this point for me. By watching the videos they have shown IG, SM, Eldar, Orks, Cultist and CSM.

So it is possible the playable options will break down like this...
Imperium: IG or SM.
Imp. Ally: Eldar.

Chaos: Cultist or CSM.
Chaos Ally: Orks.

If they design the game right then there could be room to add more races/factions to the game at a future date.

Otherwise, as of right now they have my curiosity peaked with the announcement of no dedicated healer classes. All classes will have the ability to dish out lots of damage with no one being only for the purpose of healing.

Otherwise, as of right now they have my curiosity peaked with the announcement of no dedicated healer classes. All classes will have the ability to dish out lots of damage with no one being only for the purpose of healing.

Really? Something of interest I suppose. Where did you see that?

SERIOUSLY! SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THE GODDAMN GRAPHICS BECAUSE YOUR SO WRONG!

I believe you mean .. "You're so wrong!"

have you seen ALL POINTS BULLETIN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?! it was an ABSOLLUTE EPIC FAILURE because... get this(you'll laugh)...

...THE GRAPHICS WERE TO HIGH!

idiot....

Absollute = absolute?

You're right. The graphics were indeed "too" high.

/ Spellcheck.


Morose was putting it nicely. I didn't play All Points Bulletin because it looked bad in the first place, and it's admittedly bad by the development crew who said "Right now were looking at improving the things that don't work in the game, namely everything."


Onwards, I mentioned two (not "to" or "too") things of importance about the graphics.

1) I don't care about them. (Read a post as opposed to flaming it and you may learn something, unless basic reading comprehension escapes you. You seem to struggle with 2nd grade level punctuation and 5th grade level spelling.)

2) The graphics (although I don't care about them...) already look dated. The basic minimum graphics capability of a computer 3 years from now will be much higher than it is today, so keeping a game at today's low-mid level graphic range three years from now would be the equivalent of a gaming a company releasing Everquest's first release... next month.

Thunderfrog wrote:

Otherwise, as of right now they have my curiosity peaked with the announcement of no dedicated healer classes. All classes will have the ability to dish out lots of damage with no one being only for the purpose of healing.

Really? Something of interest I suppose. Where did you see that?

http://www.hookedgamers.com/pc/warhammer_40000_dark_millennium_online/preview/article-715.html

While I may have not quoted it directly...they said "no non combat classes"

I would think the requirements stay low, because of the current netbook trend.

If a non-gamer picks up a game, it better work on their PC or it goes back.
They are not the ones who will upgrade for a specific game.

If the developers are hoping to get commercial success, they have to target what the average user will have when the game comes out.
I do not think the average PC owner will have a PC with video capablilities much beyond where we are now.

twistinthunder wrote:

Thunderfrog wrote:The graphics.. well, I still play FF Tactics. I dont particularly care about those, but if it were important to me, I certainly wouldnt be impressed, especially considering how far behind standards it will be in the said 3 ZOMG YEARS.

SERIOUSLY! SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT THE GODDAMN GRAPHICS BECAUSE YOUR SO WRONG! have you seen ALL POINTS BULLETIN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?! it was an ABSOLLUTE EPIC FAILURE because... get this(you'll laugh)...

...THE GRAPHICS WERE TO HIGH!


idiot....

ProtoClone wrote:

Thunderfrog wrote:

Otherwise, as of right now they have my curiosity peaked with the announcement of no dedicated healer classes. All classes will have the ability to dish out lots of damage with no one being only for the purpose of healing.

Really? Something of interest I suppose. Where did you see that?

http://www.hookedgamers.com/pc/warhammer_40000_dark_millennium_online/preview/article-715.html

While I may have not quoted it directly...they said "no non combat classes"

I think they'll try the same thing that they did with Warhammer online, so healers aren't just healing but actually get to fight.
Ex. An Ork painboy ain't gonna sit there stitching thurks wound while there's 'eads to crump.

Evreyone seems to be using WoW as an example of bad graphics. I'd just like to note that they are actually improving the graphics all the time. The golden part of WoW is that it can change the requirements DRASTICALLY between top tier and bottom tier graphics settings.

calling it so far "WoW in Space"

except it wont be as populated and probably have more fun in WoW

2 1/2 years is enough time to make me forget about a game (Coughsporecough)

So people say the graphics suck based on Alpha (or pre-Alpha) footage of a game three(ish) years away...

High-five internet!

Well so far from interviews and such the 4 races that are a for sure will be...

Imperium of man
Eldar
Orks
Chaos

And so far for posible classes for Imerium of man in the trailer they have said...

Imperium of man
IG , SM , Adeptus Mechanus, and what looked like phyker, and a rouge trader like guy. It seams like it covers most of the IoM (Imperium of Man) exept for no real hint at an Inquisitor, or SoB type class but I do hope that they will be in there. Also I read in another interview that unfortunately the SM chapter we see in the trailers will be the only chapter we can play (Black Templars), but it is said that we will be seeing the other SM chapters like BA, DA, SW, ect as npc's.

Eldar

I would Imagine for the eldar we could see a farseer/warlock like class, eldar rangers and probably a very strong possibility the the most if not all of the eldar Aspects (7) might be playable classes along with the possibility of harlequins and wraithguard.

Orks

Hmm...possibly Warboss, Kommando, Nob, tankbuster, stormboy, and possibly some of in between.

Chaos

Well there's the Cultist and CSM which could potentaly break down into a CSM sorcerer, different cultist ranks, and several different variations of CSM ranging from Possessed CSM to rapters (CSM assault marines) to minor daemon entities.

just speculating here because for the classes they would have to make the player feel special so to speak like for IG the player wouldn't be a lowly gardsman but rather a Sargent, Vet Gardsman or a Stormtrooper not a "cannon fodder" type unit in the races. I'm just hoping that they release a SoB class for the IoM orther wise i'm gonna be a SM scout.

Other wise the game looks good and I'm looking forward to it.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-17-thq-on-everything-interview?page=1
http://www.hookedgamers.com/pc/warhammer_40000_dark_millennium_online/preview/article-715.html

del'Vhar wrote:So people say the graphics suck based on Alpha (or pre-Alpha) footage of a game three(ish) years away...

High-five internet!

I'd like to add to this...


So people think that just because a game won't look photorealistic, it's going to suck...

+ 1 High-five internet!

No, really. Fallout 2 is way better than Fallout 3, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Dragon Age, Fable...
Hell, Baldur's Gate series beats the crap out of most of the stuff on the market today. Sure, these aren't MMOs, but they're examples of game quality > graphics

Like I always say, don't bash it till you try it.

metallifan wrote: No, really. Fallout 2 is way better than Fallout 3

Brought a tear of joy to my eye.

metallifan wrote:
No, really. Fallout 2 is way better than Fallout 3, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Dragon Age, Fable...
Hell, Baldur's Gate series beats the crap out of most of the stuff on the market today. Sure, these aren't MMOs, but they're examples of game quality > graphics

Like I always say, don't bash it till you try it.

Well, that's all very subjective - I'm perfectly happy to love the old Fallouts and the new Fallout as they're not really comparable. That's apples and oranges. Sure they're both fruit, but only share a similar aesthetic.

I'm curious why they're putting so much effort into promoting this game this early on. The game is two and a half years out and promoting it won't make it come any sooner. Hell, most people will probably forget this stuff by the time it comes out. Then again, two and a half years is a long time in game development, and this could change in a dozen big ways by then. I mean, it's cool stuff to see, but it's so far out that it probably won't apply come launch time.

Well, in the actual trailer you can see they play as imperials, orks, and chaos. There will be mounts... sorta... in the form of bikes.

Brother SRM wrote:Well, that's all very subjective - I'm perfectly happy to love the old Fallouts and the new Fallout as they're not really comparable. That's apples and oranges. Sure they're both fruit, but only share a similar aesthetic.

I think you're missing the point I made though. It's not the graphics that make a great game. Sure, Fallout 3 was a great game. But Fallout 2 did a better job at being an RPG. Meanwhile, it's all 2D environments and sprites. Yet it's still an awesome game. Reason I'm saying this is because looking through this thread, there seems to be a bountiful amount of stupidity in the form of "Gr8 grafix or dis gaem sux!!!1!111!two!". The point I'm making is that a game doesn't need top-notch visuals to be a good title. It's all in the gameplay and the ability to immerse yourself in it.

I'm curious why they're putting so much effort into promoting this game this early on. The game is two and a half years out and promoting it won't make it come any sooner. Hell, most people will probably forget this stuff by the time it comes out. Then again, two and a half years is a long time in game development, and this could change in a dozen big ways by then. I mean, it's cool stuff to see, but it's so far out that it probably won't apply come launch time.

Simple answer to this one. Basically, if you've been flipping through The Google over the past couple years, you've seen the pages upon pages of "Where's our 40K MMO!?" search results from nearly every gaming and fan site. People were starting to believe it wasn't going to happen, or that the project was dropped. Couple this with Vigil's seeming inability to update their own company webpage during development of both Darksiders -and- the 40K MMO, and that guess wasn't far off for the time. There was literally no word on it, save for Interviews and FAQs done 2 years before -that-. It was all so hush-hush that even GW was put to shame on the secrecy. So, out of fear of a complete consumer loss of faith in the release of their promised title, THQ started putting out the stills we saw late 2009/early 2010. Then they followed up with a few more stills and renders, and then the trailers. Basically, they're trying to win back lost consumer support after leaving everyone in complete darkness for about 4 years after the initial announcement.

metallifan wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Well, that's all very subjective - I'm perfectly happy to love the old Fallouts and the new Fallout as they're not really comparable. That's apples and oranges. Sure they're both fruit, but only share a similar aesthetic.

I think you're missing the point I made though. It's not the graphics that make a great game. Sure, Fallout 3 was a great game. But Fallout 2 did a better job at being an RPG. Meanwhile, it's all 2D environments and sprites. Yet it's still an awesome game. Reason I'm saying this is because looking through this thread, there seems to be a bountiful amount of stupidity in the form of "Gr8 grafix or dis gaem sux!!!1!111!two!". The point I'm making is that a game doesn't need top-notch visuals to be a good title. It's all in the gameplay and the ability to immerse yourself in it.

I'm curious why they're putting so much effort into promoting this game this early on. The game is two and a half years out and promoting it won't make it come any sooner. Hell, most people will probably forget this stuff by the time it comes out. Then again, two and a half years is a long time in game development, and this could change in a dozen big ways by then. I mean, it's cool stuff to see, but it's so far out that it probably won't apply come launch time.

Simple answer to this one. Basically, if you've been flipping through The Google over the past couple years, you've seen the pages upon pages of "Where's our 40K MMO!?" search results from nearly every gaming and fan site. People were starting to believe it wasn't going to happen, or that the project was dropped. Couple this with Vigil's seeming inability to update their own company webpage during development of both Darksiders -and- the 40K MMO, and that guess wasn't far off for the time. There was literally no word on it, save for Interviews and FAQs done 2 years before -that-. It was all so hush-hush that even GW was put to shame on the secrecy. So, out of fear of a complete consumer loss of faith in the release of their promised title, THQ started putting out the stills we saw late 2009/early 2010. Then they followed up with a few more stills and renders, and then the trailers. Basically, they're trying to win back lost consumer support after leaving everyone in complete darkness for about 4 years after the initial announcement.

All points agreed on. I like your posting.

Sums up my feeling about the game:

Darth Bob wrote:Sums up my feeling about the game:

This could all be solved by either adding the Inquisition or Sisters of Battle as a playable faction. Hopeful they will.

Inquisitors have been seen, as have Guard. I'm guessing there will be female options for both. That comic isn't great, but illustrates the point well enough.

Oh good. First the utterly idiotic "Female Marine" conversations infest the Deathwatch RPG discussions, and now they're here to feth up Dark Millennium.

Pffff really did the cries of BAAAAW I WANT FEMALE ORCS/GOBLINS/CHOSEN/MARAUDERS bother Mythic? (but O ONE wanted male witch elves for obvious reasons!)

Granted WAR is a pile of fail but they still had gender locked classes

(except for frigging DE sorcerers)

The Sisters of Battle might not be included as a true race, but do you think adding a "Sister of Battle" sprite that plays as a female space marine will upset the masses?

Then again, as someone else pointed out, WAR used some gender-locked stuff.

So did FF11.

::shudder::

Man + Mithra =Manthra.

You know why not start recruiting females as space marines, there you go Imperium I just double the amount of space marines. Also technically orks have no gender.

Thunderfrog wrote:The Sisters of Battle might not be included as a true race, but do you think adding a "Sister of Battle" sprite that plays as a female space marine will upset the masses?

Yes. Because Sisters of Battle != Space Marines. They have Power Armor and Bolters, that's where the similarities end.

kenshin620 wrote:Pffff really did the cries of BAAAAW I WANT FEMALE ORCS/GOBLINS/CHOSEN/MARAUDERS bother Mythic? (but NO ONE wanted male witch elves for obvious reasons!)

Granted WAR is a pile of fail but they still had gender locked classes

(except for frigging DE sorcerers)

Completely different story. Female Orcs/Goblins don't exist in the setting, just like female Space Marines don't in 40k. Female Chosen/Marauders is feasible, as the Northern Tribes do have womenfolk who fight.

"Male Witch Elves" also don't exist, as they would be the "Khainite Assassins" that accompany Dark Elf armies.
Dark Elf Sorcerers do exist, however. They even have a semi-secret Cabal of them that Nobles can employ whenever they don't want to owe a debt to Morathi's Coven. Malekith looks the other way, so long as the Sorcerers don't get any ideas about overthrowing him.

FAIR WARNING: Next mention of Female Space Marines in this thread is going to earn someone some trouble.

FlammingGaunt wrote:You know why not start recruiting females as space marines, there you go Imperium I just double the amount of space marines. Also technically orks have no gender.

Because according to the fluff, the procedures required to make a space marine would kill a female. So no... you didn't double the number or marines.

Brother SRM wrote:Inquisitors have been seen, as have Guard. I'm guessing there will be female options for both. That comic isn't great, but illustrates the point well enough.

I haven't seen Inquisitors, I've seen tech priest but not Inquisitors. Inquisitors would be cool so can you show me where it says Inquisitors are in as a playable faction?

Necrosis wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Inquisitors have been seen, as have Guard. I'm guessing there will be female options for both. That comic isn't great, but illustrates the point well enough.

I haven't seen Inquisitors, I've seen tech priest but not Inquisitors. Inquisitors would be cool so can you show me where it says Inquisitors are in as a playable faction?

They're not a playable faction, per se, but they're one of the many classes in the Imperium faction.

There's one in a white robe a minute into the original trailer:



The same Inquisitor is seen quite a bit in the new trailer that's in the OP:

Did WAR have a few classes/races that ended up 'held back' from the initial release? I wonder if this could happen here.

It's pretty common practice to save some stuff for expansions. I would bet money on it.

Brother SRM wrote:

Necrosis wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Inquisitors have been seen, as have Guard. I'm guessing there will be female options for both. That comic isn't great, but illustrates the point well enough.

I haven't seen Inquisitors, I've seen tech priest but not Inquisitors. Inquisitors would be cool so can you show me where it says Inquisitors are in as a playable faction?

They're not a playable faction, per se, but they're one of the many classes in the Imperium faction.

There's one in a white robe a minute into the original trailer:



The same Inquisitor is seen quite a bit in the new trailer that's in the OP:

It's not actually an Inquisitor.

It's a Tech-Priest. At least that's what the voiceover would have you be.

Thunderfrog wrote:The Sisters of Battle might not be included as a true race, but do you think adding a "Sister of Battle" sprite that plays as a female space marine will upset the masses?

The SoB would be part of the "Impirium of Man" race and not a race of its own but rather as a class much like the SM, IG, and Tech Preist would be very likely classes.

Kanluwen wrote:
It's not actually an Inquisitor.

It's a Tech-Priest. At least that's what the voiceover would have you be.

He's talking about this guy...

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/890201/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online/images/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online-20100820100516628.html?page=mediaFull

in this second pic the tech priest is to the right behind the guy in white robs which is possibly an inquisitor (referring to the character in white robs as possibly being an Inquisitor)
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/890201/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online/images/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online-20100820100543409.html?page=mediaFull

I know who he's talking about.

And that's the character that they showed off when they say "Tech Priests".

Even though they call him a tech priest he looks nothing like a tech priest.

He looks nothing like an Enginseer.

There are other branches of the Adeptus Mechanicus than just the guys doing work on machines y'know.


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Also, as an aside:

The robes Adepts wear?

According to Mechanicum and other sources...they range from "Rust-red to pure white".

Considering that there's also a branch of the Mechanicus devoted to "the genetic sciences"(whose Magos is even part of the ruling Priesthood)...it's not too far to assume that you could very easily see a Adept from the Genetors(who...you guessed it, accompany Imperial exploration fleets to new or reclaimed worlds) as a sort of 'combat medic'.

I thought Adeptus Mechanicus didn't like flesh so they always got bionic parts and stuff.

And with how little we know about the Genetor faction, it could be the complete opposite wherein they revere flesh or use vat-grown parts to replace theirs as needed.

Kanluwen wrote:I know who he's talking about.

And that's the character that they showed off when they say "Tech Priests".

No when the narrator is saying "tech priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus" it is showing off this guy...


the same guy is to the right of this SM
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/890201/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online/images/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online-20100615065051786.html?page=mediaFull

*headdesk*

The Techpriest comment goes from that guy, to a second Techpriest, then the guy in the white robe unleashing a lightning blast from his fingertips.

Which is something the Mechanicus have the technology to do, via Electropriests.

Here's the description for Electropriests:

Lexicanum wrote: Electro-priest

Electro-priests are fanatic cult warriors, responsible for supporting other Tech-priest warriors in battle. Their skins are engraved with a metallic electoo circuit which spirals around their bodies and interfaces with their minds, allowing them to build up a tremendous current of electrical energy.

As Electro-priests enter battle they chant Cult litanies, building up their electric energy and driving themselves into a frenzy of destruction.

Also, here's another fascinating bit for you:

Lexicanum wrote:As befits the religious nature of the Mechanicus, techpriests usually wear robes, which are usually either rust-red or white. Techpriests are often Imperial bionics. The level of a techpriest's augmentation is highly dependent on his rank within the Cult Mechanicus; a novice may have only one or two augmented systems, if any, while very senior members may have only a few biological organs left in their bodies.

Huh. Funny how it's only the two colors for their robes...as in the two colors we see in the video/screenshots.

Thunderfrog wrote:The Sisters of Battle might not be included as a true race, but do you think adding a "Sister of Battle" sprite that plays as a female space marine will upset the masses?

As I suggested earlier, I'd rather see Seraphim as a distinct class. A class dedicated to kiting wouldn't be as dangerous to game balance in a game where almost everyone gets ranged weapons.

Guess I will just make a guardsmen and get a ton of thrones (money) and wait for an expansion that will include the sisters of battle or Inquisitors. Then give all the gold to my new character. That being said this game does look fun. I wonder if they will include space combat?

there seems to be a bountiful amount of stupidity in the form of "Gr8 grafix or dis gaem sux!!!1!111!two!"

Well, we are talking about a crowd who, for the most part, are perfectly okay with awarding points to people who paint real pretty at tournaments instead of the guys actually playing the game.

Sidstyler wrote:

there seems to be a bountiful amount of stupidity in the form of "Gr8 grafix or dis gaem sux!!!1!111!two!"

Well, we are talking about a crowd who, for the most part, are perfectly okay with awarding points to people who paint real pretty at tournaments instead of the guys actually playing the game.

Except the "painting real pretty" part is a requirement of most tournaments.

Necrosis wrote:Guess I will just make a guardsmen and get a ton of thrones (money) and wait for an expansion that will include the sisters of battle or Inquisitors. Then give all the gold to my new character. That being said this game does look fun. I wonder if they will include space combat?

Actual dogfighting won't be a feature, but THQ did say early on that ship to ship battles and boarding actions would -likely- be a part of the game.

metallifan wrote:Actual dogfighting won't be a feature, but THQ did say early on that ship to ship battles and boarding actions would -likely- be a part of the game.

Maybe they will introduce dog-fighting in an expansion (as they old republic has dogfights).

Necrosis wrote:Maybe they will introduce dog-fighting in an expansion (as they old republic has dogfights).

The difference there is that in Star Wars, the same people fly fighters and fight on the ground. Doing the same thing in a 40k game would detract from the uniqueness of a 40k game.

AlexHolker wrote:

Necrosis wrote:Maybe they will introduce dog-fighting in an expansion (as they old republic has dogfights).

The difference there is that in Star Wars, the same people fly fighters and fight on the ground. Doing the same thing in a 40k game would detract from the uniqueness of a 40k game.

That's true, but remember that expansions often include new factions and/or classes. "Imperial Navy Pilot" could be included in an expansion. Vehicles as expansion items seems to be the general interpretation of the way things will go. I'm expecting the first expansion will focus on armoured combat by adding player-controlled tanks and the like, as it seems bikes are the only player controlled vehicles at present.

metallifan wrote:Actual dogfighting won't be a feature, but THQ did say early on that ship to ship battles and boarding actions would -likely- be a part of the game.

I would guess this might be in the form of missions that take place on spacecraft, so you get the cool 'fighting down a corridor which is constantly rocked by incoming enemy fire' set pieces and such.

But I could be wrong.

I kind of feel space combat is too far outside the 'core' of the 40k setting to be required, at least in a player-controllable form.

metallifan wrote:That's true, but remember that expansions often include new factions and/or classes. "Imperial Navy Pilot" could be included in an expansion.

They're not going to introduce a new class that cannot access 90% of the existing gameplay.

Well they've confirmed 'Nids will be the main PvE Antagonist, so we can totally expect Space Hulk missions at least. I'm not sure how they'll represent the warp corruption in the ship though (A timer, a-la DoW II maybe?).

AlexHolker wrote:They're not going to introduce a new class that cannot access 90% of the existing gameplay.

An Imperial Pilot could easily land on the ground and start fighting. Coming up with a reason could be simply as, "Yo, pilot your ship got damage and won't be fix for a long time. So were placing you in the guard."
Now I know you guys are probably going to come up with a fluff reason why this wouldn't happen but it's an mmo, it's not going to strictly follow the fluff.

Necrosis wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:They're not going to introduce a new class that cannot access 90% of the existing gameplay.

An Imperial Pilot could easily land on the ground and start fighting. Coming up with a reason could be simply as, "Yo, pilot your ship got damage and won't be fix for a long time. So were placing you in the guard."
Now I know you guys are probably going to come up with a fluff reason why this wouldn't happen but it's an mmo, it's not going to strictly follow the fluff.

Plus, aircraft get shot down. A lot. Those pilots that survive need to get back to friendly lines somehow. Sure, a Navy pilot wouldn't be much of a ground combat choice, but as far as mobility and fire superiority go, they'd be pretty ace to have around. Pun not intended.

Necrosis wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:They're not going to introduce a new class that cannot access 90% of the existing gameplay.

An Imperial Pilot could easily land on the ground and start fighting. Coming up with a reason could be simply as, "Yo, pilot your ship got damage and won't be fix for a long time. So were placing you in the guard."

And then he dies. Brutally. Even a level 1 Guardsman would have a better chance of surviving than a level 20 Pilot who for some reason has been turned into a footslogger.

The two most probable classes so far (Space Marines and Tech-Priests) are both above average in a fight. Playing someone who is worse than the basic Imperial Guard infantry should be suicide in comparison.

You mean like Tau?

vitki wrote:You mean like Tau?

Even Tau Fire Warriors are superior to a Guardsman in a fight. They are more heavily armoured and carry the Pulse Rifle.

True, I guess I was reading 'fight' as 'close-combat'.

Should have put in the /s I guess...

AlexHolker wrote:

Necrosis wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:They're not going to introduce a new class that cannot access 90% of the existing gameplay.

An Imperial Pilot could easily land on the ground and start fighting. Coming up with a reason could be simply as, "Yo, pilot your ship got damage and won't be fix for a long time. So were placing you in the guard."

And then he dies. Brutally. Even a level 1 Guardsman would have a better chance of surviving than a level 20 Pilot who for some reason has been turned into a footslogger.

The two most probable classes so far (Space Marines and Tech-Priests) are both above average in a fight. Playing someone who is worse than the basic Imperial Guard infantry should be suicide in comparison.

Except it depends on what kind of pilot we're talking about here.

An Elysian Drop Regiment's Valkyrie/Vulture pilots have to do rotations in the combat units before doing the cross-training as pilots. Pretty sure the Phantine Air Corps do the same, but I definitely know that Stormtrooper Regiments and their Valkyrie/Vulture pilots do.

Your bog-standard Imperial Navy fighter or bobmer-jock? Probably not. But the pilots of Valkyries or Vultures tend to be Guardsmen promoted and cross-trained.

As for "the two most probable classes so far"...you're wrong. There's 3, at least, for the Imperium of Man. They've been confirmed, and they're set in stone--barring something happening in the vein of adding or subtracting between now and 2013.
They're:
Guardsmen
Techpriests
and
Space Marines.

Considering they've also confirmed the presence of three Chapters(Dark Angels, Iron Snakes/Raven Guard[Iron Snakes are being considered as a placeholder, with Raven Guard being their preferred choice unless they opt to go with something relatively unknown. You can bet your ass if the Iron Snakes are involved, however, that Abnett will be on board for doing questlines for them], and Black Templars)--that's also a non-issue.

Guard it looks like you'll have three ways to go: an Inquisitorial asset, a Stormtrooper/Marbo styled Guardsman operating solo with better equipment and training, or as a Veteran Sergeant.

Techpriests it looks like you'll have two ways to go. Enginseers(who would probably be a debuffing role based on their background, inflicting curses on enemy equipment while strengthening your own and supervising their combat servitors) and Genetors(who would probably be a mix of Genetors and Electropriests, building up a charge while also giving their allies a kind of regenerative aura with their mechandrites)

Kanluwen wrote:
Guard it looks like you'll have three ways to go: an Inquisitorial asset, a Stormtrooper/Marbo styled Guardsman operating solo with better equipment and training

you mean like this face puncher right here?

So Space Marines, Inquisition, or Mechanicus. Sounds about right. The white robed guy is probably an Inquisition psyker.

ph34r wrote:So Space Marines, Inquisition, or Mechanicus. Sounds about right. The white robed guy is probably an Inquisition psyker.

And Guard. So help me Space Emperor, if you forget the Guard I'll cut out your eyes!

metallifan wrote:

Necrosis wrote:Guess I will just make a guardsmen and get a ton of thrones (money) and wait for an expansion that will include the sisters of battle or Inquisitors. Then give all the gold to my new character. That being said this game does look fun. I wonder if they will include space combat?

Actual dogfighting won't be a feature, but THQ did say early on that ship to ship battles and boarding actions would -likely- be a part of the game.

Sounds interesting exploring the interior of a space hulk or an Imperial battleship would be cool.

I'm also hoping sometime after launch we get to visit places like Mars, Terra, Cadia, Armageddon, Macragge, Fenris, etc.

ph34r wrote:So Space Marines, Inquisition, or Mechanicus. Sounds about right. The white robed guy is probably an Inquisition psyker.

Again:
"White robes" are used by the Mechanicus. In fact, they're one of the only two colors of robes used by them.

Could it be an Inquisitor? Maybe. But everything points towards it being a Genetor/Electropriest in a white robe.

Kanluwen wrote:

Again:
"White robes" are used by the Mechanicus. In fact, they're one of the only two colors of robes used by them.

Could it be an Inquisitor? Maybe. But everything points towards it being a Genetor/Electropriest in a white robe.

No matter how times you post, someone will always not read your post and say it's the Inquisition.

Well for sure this guy is an Adeptus Mechanus from the Impirium of Man trailer





Although Kanluwen says that this guy is also an Adeptus Mechanus which to me looks highly unlikely as he looks like he is using a Physic attack not a tech attack making him an Inquisitor or a physic type class





here is another pic of the same white robed character whom is looking very much like an inquisitor because it looks like he is carrying a staff with a book and skull on the end.
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/890201/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online/images/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online-20100820100543409.html?page=mediaFull

...And?

A book and a skull with a staff isn't an uncommon symbol. Nor is the fact that he's using a "pSYCHIC looking attack" proof of anything.

A member of the Adeptus Mechanicus can be a psyker. There's nothing stating that they can't be, it's just very very rare/unlikely that the powers would survive given the extensive bionic replacements they'd probably have.
As an aside, do notice the patterns on the hem of both robes.

Pretty identical, huh?

I'm going to call White Robey Guy neith an Inquisitor, nor a member of the Mechanicus. He lacks symbolism for eith of the two. I'm calling him a Sanctioned Psyker.

Too well-groomed/dressed for a bolt magnet.

Plus, there's no Commissar following him around.

what where the tech priest has a gear pattern and the character in white has a checker pattern at the bottom of his robs and nowhere else.

Also the fact that the character in white robs so far has displayed none of the characteristics that an average 40k player would make him think that the character is an adeptus mechanicus. The lack of gear iconography on his clothing and weapons so far has made me think he is not part of the adeptus mechanicus.

Where as the chracter in tan and red is a very obvious member of the adeptus mechanicus.

Why are you so goddamned stubborn about this? He doesn't have any Admech qualities about him aside from a robe, which is obscenely common. If there were the crenelations trimming on the cloak, sure. If he were more machine than man, sure. If he had a servo arm, sure. Hell, if he had a single Adeptus Mechanicus sign on him I'd give it to you. He does not. I think it's pretty obvious he's an Inquisition type.

Here's another picture where he's wielding a sword:
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/890201/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online/images/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online-20100820100516628.html?page=mediaFull
Admech always use axes, or at the very least weapons showing their iconography. The dude might not be an inquisitor as I originally said, but he's sure as sugar not an Adeptus Mechanicus guy. Besides, many pictures show one Marine, the Admech dude, a Guardsman, and captain holy robes here.

E: Might as well continue this spergy rant for a little longer - it's important to have simple visual shorthands for just about everything in a game. When you run into a party you should be able to say "This guy's the caster, this guy's the tank, this guy's the healer" and so on. By having really diverse looks to the same class, you just create confusion for people playing. Marines will have more bling and different color schemes, but always maintain the same silhouette, for example.

Which is exactly the point.

Vigil isn't restricted to Codex units. They get to use the entirety of 40k's background. That's why we've got a Guardsman operating by himself, heavily geared, as an infiltrator.

The Wiki is kinda informative, and not informative at the same time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000:_Dark_Millennium_Online

MUST HAVE INPUT!!

I too read somewhere, but forget where, that Nids are the PVE...Which totally makes sense and logical that you can't play as a Nid since there are no "individuals" amoungst the hive.

Brother SRM wrote:Why are you so goddamned stubborn about this? He doesn't have any Admech qualities about him aside from a robe, which is obscenely common. If there were the crenelations trimming on the cloak, sure. If he were more machine than man, sure. If he had a servo arm, sure. Hell, if he had a single Adeptus Mechanicus sign on him I'd give it to you. He does not. I think it's pretty obvious he's an Inquisition type.

Novices have very little in the way of bionics. They're more man than machine. Look at the Tech-Priest Enginseer in the screenshots. He has virtually no augmentations, beyond his servo-arm and what looks like a single bionic arm. More than likely, bionics and the "mechanical upgrades" will most likely be tied in with character advancement and equipment.

Here's another picture where he's wielding a sword:
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/890201/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online/images/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online-20100820100516628.html?page=mediaFull
Admech always use axes, or at the very least weapons showing their iconography. The dude might not be an inquisitor as I originally said, but he's sure as sugar not an Adeptus Mechanicus guy. Besides, many pictures show one Marine, the Admech dude, a Guardsman, and captain holy robes here.

Ad-Mech don't "always use axes". Enginseers do.
Electropriests, the branch of the Priesthood that supports other Adeptus Mechanicus priests in battle, carry no axes.

THQ and Vigil work closely with GW making sure they stay close to cannon of the 40k universe giving a yay or na on how far they can stretch the cannon. I'm also pretty sure that GW would have something to say about an admech character that looks nothing like a member of the Admech.

PCG: How much involvement has the Games Workshop staff had in the making of the game?

DA: Games Workshop is the master of Warhammer 40,000, they have spent decades building up, what I believe to be one of the best science fiction IPs of all time. The job of translating that IP into an MMO setting is largely left up to our team, but Games Workshop does a wonderful job of providing us all the appropriate feedback and information to ensure that what we make remains true to the universe they have created. As an avid fan of the setting, I wouldn’t want it any other way.

http://www.gamesradar.com/f/warhammer-40000-online/a-20080502174245201051 <- full article

Brother SRM wrote:
Why are you so goddamned stubborn about this? He doesn't have any Admech qualities about him aside from a robe, which is obscenely common. If there were the crenelations trimming on the cloak, sure. If he were more machine than man, sure. If he had a servo arm, sure. Hell, if he had a single Adeptus Mechanicus sign on him I'd give it to you. He does not. I think it's pretty obvious he's an Inquisition type.

Exactly, the white robed character has no iota of Ad-Mech iconography on him, nothing nada, not even a single gear.

Kanluwen wrote:

Novices have very little in the way of bionics. They're more man than machine. Look at the Tech-Priest Enginseer in the screenshots. He has virtually no augmentations, beyond his servo-arm and what looks like a single bionic arm. More than likely, bionics and the "mechanical upgrades" will most likely be tied in with character advancement and equipment.

And they would have Ad-Mech iconography on their person from the start in some form no matter how much they changed, while our white robed character has no Ad-Mech iconography at all.

fox-light713 wrote:THQ and Vigil work closely with GW making sure they stay close to cannon of the 40k universe giving a yay or na on how far they can stretch the cannon. I'm also pretty sure that GW would have something to say about an admech character that looks nothing like a member of the Admech.

Okay. You're not getting it, obviously.

Adepts of the Mechanicus?
They don't start off looking like a mechanical-man monstrosity. They start off looking just like you or I do. Depending on the branch of the Mechanicus(of which, there's multiples...including one which actually deals with genetics and creating vat-grown clones and fleshed implants for damaged individuals. They also supervise the production of most servitors). I'm giving you an alternate explanation as to what that individual is. Is it possible he's some kind of Inquisitor or Sanctioned Psyker?

Sure. But everything's pointing me towards Tech-Priest.

White robes=perfectly acceptable, given that the robe colors for Adepts of the Mechanicus...are rust-red and pure white. So that's a big 10-4 on the Tech-Priest train.
He looks as if he's got implants over his flesh--which, again, indicates to me a member of the Adeptus Mechanicus(specifically: the Electropriests. Who have implants over their skin that builds up electrical charges). That's another box ticked off under "Mechanicus".
As for the book...Electropriests go into battle chanting litanies, while building up their electrical charges to unleash upon the enemy.
Another box ticked off for Mechanicus.

Staff with a skull on it? Go look for the Skullz "Adeptus Mechanicus Magos".
Tell me what he's wielding, okay? Because it sure ain't an axe.

Don't want to look?


I rest my case.

Necrosis wrote:No matter how times you post, someone will always not read your post and say it's the Inquisition.

Oh, I read it. It's not a tech priest. Tech priests don't have purple psychic stuff. Tech priests have blue lightning like in the other shot they gave us.

We don't know definitively that tech-priests "don't have purple psychic stuff".

Kanluwen wrote:

Well for starters the Adeptus Mechanicus Magos has Ad-Mech iconography plastered all over him making him easy to identify as an Ad-Mech member.

Point out one item on the White robed character that can be clearly identifiable as Ad-Mech to make him a member of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Because I can see no Ad-Mech iconography on him

Kanluwen wrote:

Novices have very little in the way of bionics. They're more man than machine. Look at the Tech-Priest Enginseer in the screenshots. He has virtually no augmentations, beyond his servo-arm and what looks like a single bionic arm. More than likely, bionics and the "mechanical upgrades" will most likely be tied in with character advancement and equipment.

They don't start off looking like a mechanical-man monstrosity. They start off looking just like you or I do. Depending on the branch of the Mechanicus(of which, there's multiples...including one which actually deals with genetics and creating vat-grown clones and fleshed implants for damaged individuals. They also supervise the production of most servitors).

He looks as if he's got implants over his flesh--which, again, indicates to me a member of the Adeptus Mechanicus(specifically: the Electropriests. Who have implants over their skin that builds up electrical charges). That's another box ticked off under "Mechanicus".

And they would have Ad-Mech iconography on their person from the start in some form no matter how much they changed, while our white robed character has no Ad-Mech iconography at all nothing nada, not even a single gear. It would be like him saying 'Ok I'll join the Ad-Mech but I'm not going to weir any of their Iconography'. Its comparable to joining a Sports team and not weir anything with that teams logo or colors on it.

these IG physkers also have implants over their flesh, and they also have staffs

And there's no implants on that character model that suggest he's a Psyker--because Psykers only have implants on their scalps. They're designed to amplify the Psyker's power, while also making sure that they don't fry their brains in the process.

They're not something you'll see skipped out on a Psyker character.

As for the lack of Mechanicus iconography...
Take a good, hard look at the easily recognizable Techpriest.

He has exactly one cogged skull on him. That's it. That's not exactly being inundated with symbols.

Oh, and by the way?
Notice the pattern on the shoulderpads for that white robed character. It forms a helix.
Y'know...a genetic symbol.

fox-light713 wrote:[picture of guy in white robes]

Yeah, that is definitely not admech.


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Kanluwen wrote:And there's no implants on that character model that suggest he's a Psyker--because Psykers only have implants on their scalps. They're designed to amplify the Psyker's power, while also making sure that they don't fry their brains in the process.

They're not something you'll see skipped out on a Psyker character.

As for the lack of Mechanicus iconography...
Take a good, hard look at the easily recognizable Techpriest.

He has exactly one cogged skull on him. That's it. That's not exactly being inundated with symbols.

Oh, and by the way?
Notice the pattern on the shoulderpads for that white robed character. It forms a helix.
Y'know...a genetic symbol.

lol, what? There is no helix anywhere. He has no admech symbols. He has inquisition style shoulderpads. He uses purple psychic powers. Probably a psyker inquisitor.

MAYBE HES SOME SORT OF HIGH RANKING PRIEST?

But he is missing his beard

He has no Inquisition markings, at all, by your same reasoning.

Bulky shoulderpads are not "Inquisition style shoulderpads". For that matter, the more militant Inquisitors(which is what you'd see here) don't wear robes over their armor. They'll wear cloaks, sure. But not full on robes like that. We also don't know that the purple is "psychic powers". It could be damned near anything.

But if Inquisitors, either way, were to be a playable class...it would have been announced. Inquisitors would be a -huge- draw for players.

ph34r wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:And there's no implants on that character model that suggest he's a Psyker--because Psykers only have implants on their scalps. They're designed to amplify the Psyker's power, while also making sure that they don't fry their brains in the process.

They're not something you'll see skipped out on a Psyker character.

As for the lack of Mechanicus iconography...
Take a good, hard look at the easily recognizable Techpriest.

He has exactly one cogged skull on him. That's it. That's not exactly being inundated with symbols.

Oh, and by the way?
Notice the pattern on the shoulderpads for that white robed character. It forms a helix.
Y'know...a genetic symbol.

lol, what? There is no helix anywhere. He has no admech symbols. He has inquisition style shoulderpads.

There's plenty of Olive Branch Skulls and regular sculls, but no cogged skulls, and that looks nothing like a helix on his shoulders.

Why doesn't someone just send an email asking what he is?

But then this glorious argument will end!

Personally I dont think he is ][ or Ad-Mech due to lack of Iconography, but I've got no clue as to what he actually would be...looks like some kind of priest though, does the Ecclesiarchy field any military types that fit the bill?

He also doesnt appear to be wearing much in the way of armor under those robes

del'Vhar wrote:But then this glorious argument will end!

Personally I dont think he is ][ or Ad-Mech due to lack of Iconography, but I've got no clue as to what he actually would be...looks like some kind of priest though, does the Ecclesiarchy field any military types that fit the bill?

He also doesnt appear to be wearing much in the way of armor under those robes

He reminds me somewhat of an Imperial Confessor or perhaps some sort of Missionary that accompanied the Imperial Expedition.

Kanluwen wrote:He has no Inquisition markings, at all, by your same reasoning.

Bulky shoulderpads are not "Inquisition style shoulderpads". For that matter, the more militant Inquisitors(which is what you'd see here) don't wear robes over their armor. They'll wear cloaks, sure. But not full on robes like that. We also don't know that the purple is "psychic powers". It could be damned near anything.

But if Inquisitors, either way, were to be a playable class...it would have been announced. Inquisitors would be a -huge- draw for players.

Only mention I've seen of Inquisitors so far is from this interview. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-17-thq-on-everything-interview?page=2

What does being an Inquisitor mean? That's down the road somewhere. I always say too much in these things, but I get excited.

Kanluwen wrote:
But if Inquisitors, either way, were to be a playable class...it would have been announced. Inquisitors would be a -huge- draw for players.

IT'S 3 YEARS AWAY!
They have plenty of time to get everything straight.

Lord of battles wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
But if Inquisitors, either way, were to be a playable class...it would have been announced. Inquisitors would be a -huge- draw for players.

IT'S 3 YEARS AWAY!
They have plenty of time to get everything straight.

Well aware of how far away it is.

But let's face it: if they were to say, right now "Inquisitors are a playable class"...then there would be a lot more people interested.

Honestly, if I were a betting man?
The Inquisition will be a faction you'll be able to gain renown with, and requisition better and better equipment from them via that . Then we'll see equivalents of that for each race(Orks get a renowned conglomeration of Mekboyz, Eldar get artifact weapons, etc etc).

lol@kanluwen.

He was using psychic powers, therefor either he's an Inquisitor or a Sanctioned Psyker, or he isn't a part of the Imperium of Man faction. Yes? Yes.

He isn't a priest, as a priests "powers" (insofar as one can call them that) would be shown using white, transparent, or gold-- at least, not an Imperial priest. A priest of Chaos could very well use such things, but he has no symbols of chaos on him.

He isn't Mechanicus, that much is obvious. NO mechadendrite, he uses a sword, he uses psychic powers, he has no mechanicum symbols, he has nothing to indicate his loyalty to the organization.

He isn't a Guardsman, obviously, given the armor that looks like piecemeal carapace and robes, and the colors are off for most Guard regiments. Is he a Space Marine out of power armor? I doubt it, he's using powers and there's no bolter weapons.

So an Imperial Psyker (yes, they use swords-- via force weapons) or an Imperial Inquisitor are the two most likely classes. Not all psykers look disheveled, dirty, and so on.

Leonus wrote:Evreyone seems to be using WoW as an example of bad graphics. I'd just like to note that they are actually improving the graphics all the time. The golden part of WoW is that it can change the requirements DRASTICALLY between top tier and bottom tier graphics settings.

Yeah, I prefer to use WoW as an example of bad gameplay instead.

hmmmmm. I have an idea. How bout we wait until actual information is released about it instead of devolving this thread to useless bickering about "OMG DAT GUY IN WHIT ROBEZ TOTALLY NOT ADMECK."
"NUH UH, HE TOTALLY ARE !!!!"

and having it get locked?

Melissia wrote:So an Imperial Psyker (yes, they use swords-- via force weapons) or an Imperial Inquisitor are the two most likely classes. Not all psykers look disheveled, dirty, and so on.

Leonus wrote:Evreyone seems to be using WoW as an example of bad graphics. I'd just like to note that they are actually improving the graphics all the time. The golden part of WoW is that it can change the requirements DRASTICALLY between top tier and bottom tier graphics settings.

Yeah, I prefer to use WoW as an example of bad gameplay instead.

Oh no! Melissia is being reasonable! Quick, someone bring up Sisters of Battle/Witchhunters!

Also, I like WoW graphics. The gameplay is pretty damn good too. There's a reason it has 11 million players: it's fun.

Lord of battles wrote:IT'S 3 YEARS AWAY!
They have plenty of time to get everything straight.

But that's what is fun about it, we get to speculate!

That what me and Kanluwen have been doing Speculating! he may be Ad-Mech, he may be an Inquisitor, or a plan old Physker who knows!

I just hope that SoB will be a playable class for the Impirium of Man. If not, I'll be a SM scout.

Dare I say.....

50 DKP minus!

ph34r wrote:Also, I like WoW graphics. The gameplay is pretty damn good too. There's a reason it has 11 million players: it's fun.

Hear hear. There's a lot of content and it's good content. Players of all types are catered to and they've got a wealth of options for both PvP and PvE.

Now then, are there any good Dark Millenium fansites that track these interviews and other information blurbs?

Melissia wrote:lol@kanluwen.

He isn't Mechanicus, that much is obvious. NO mechadendrite, he uses a sword, he uses psychic powers, he has no mechanicum symbols, he has nothing to indicate his loyalty to the organization.

Sorry, do you know exactly what Magos Genetors look like?

Because they do not have mechadendrites, and there's nothing to suggest those were psychic powers, etc etc. It's all idle speculation, but given that they showed him right as the voiceover states "Tech-Priests"...I'd say it's a good bet he's a Tech-Priest.

Kanluwen wrote:but given that they showed him right as the voiceover states "Tech-Priests"...I'd say it's a good bet he's a Tech-Priest.

Wrong actually. When they show this guy the voice bit is already over. And then right after that (but before saying and showing Space Marines) they show the commando-ish Guard. The obvious conclusion would be that after showing the Techpriest they decided to sneak in some previews for the other non-SM classes. Unless you're trying to tell us that the Guard dude is also a Techpriest

Run it at normal speed, and the Techpriest part is literally finishing as that player model is shown.

Kanluwen wrote:
Because they do not have mechadendrites, and there's nothing to suggest those were psychic powers, etc etc. It's all idle speculation, but given that they showed him right as the voiceover states "Tech-Priests"...I'd say it's a good bet he's a Tech-Priest.

they show the white robed character right after the narrator finishes saying "tech priests of the adeptus mechanicus", they show the known tech priest character while the narrator is saying "tech priests of the adeptus mechanicus".

Kanluwen wrote:

Melissia wrote:lol@kanluwen.

He isn't Mechanicus, that much is obvious. NO mechadendrite, he uses a sword, he uses psychic powers, he has no mechanicum symbols, he has nothing to indicate his loyalty to the organization.

Sorry, do you know exactly what Magos Genetors look like?

Because they do not have mechadendrites, and there's nothing to suggest those were psychic powers, etc etc. It's all idle speculation, but given that they showed him right as the voiceover states "Tech-Priests"...I'd say it's a good bet he's a Tech-Priest.

So you are saying, that being coated in purply flame while appearing to draw power before throwing purply flame stuff from your fingertips does not suggest psychic powers in the 40k universe?

0:39 is where the white robed character is shown. He's still in the processing of saying "Tech-Priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus" as it fades from one to the next.

Sorry, you've got nothing.


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del'Vhar wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Melissia wrote:lol@kanluwen.

He isn't Mechanicus, that much is obvious. NO mechadendrite, he uses a sword, he uses psychic powers, he has no mechanicum symbols, he has nothing to indicate his loyalty to the organization.

Sorry, do you know exactly what Magos Genetors look like?

Because they do not have mechadendrites, and there's nothing to suggest those were psychic powers, etc etc. It's all idle speculation, but given that they showed him right as the voiceover states "Tech-Priests"...I'd say it's a good bet he's a Tech-Priest.

So you are saying, that being coated in purply flame while appearing to draw power before throwing purply flame stuff from your fingertips does not suggest psychic powers in the 40k universe?

Not when there's technology that could be doing the same "coating in purply flame".

It sure as hell isn't a Psyker, because even the lowliest and most expendable Psyker is given an Amplifier(that bit that's bolted onto the Sanctioned Psyker models' heads).

Meh, believe what you want.

Personally I dont think they'd be showcasing 2 classes of the same "faction" in their initial footage, buat as I said earlier he doesnt really like like an Inquisitor to me either.

I do however think that the average 40k player will look at him and think, "ooh a Psyker!"

I don't believe Inquisitors wear Amplifiers.

See, here's the problem.

They've already stated that, much like "The Old Republic" each class will have different 'pathways'. The examples they gave at Gamescom in a brief interview(which I'm looking for again) were quite specifically the one I've been putting forth about Techpriests.
You'd be sacrificing having Combat Servitors and enhancements that make you a close combat beast, in return for getting ranged damage capabilities and non-combat Servitors that act as a kind of healing capacity for yourself and your group.


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Necrosis wrote:I don't believe Inquisitors wear Amplifiers.

If they're Psykers, they do. The only time they don't is when they're really, really far down the totem pole in terms of psychic ability.

Kanluwen wrote:0:39 is where the white robed character is shown. He's still in the processing of saying "Tech-Priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus" as it fades from one to the next.

At 0:39 is a chaos marine on a auto cannon turret.

At around just before 0:41 till around 0:43 when the narrator says "Tech-Priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus" this is the sequence shown.





The white robed character dose not show until just after 0:43 seconds (only appearing for about a second or two) after the narrator has finished saying "Tech-Priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus" showing the white robed character very briefly.

What this thread needs is a poll.

Kanluwen wrote:I know who he's talking about.

And that's the character that they showed off when they say "Tech Priests".

Then how come there's another 'Tech Priest' which looks like a Tech Priest.

It's CLEARLY a tie-in to the new Codex: Pan Fo they're putting out in 2012.

It'll be reviled at Las Vegas next year.

Kanluwen wrote:Sorry, do you know exactly what Magos Genetors look like?

Because they do not have mechadendrites, and there's nothing to suggest those were psychic powers, etc etc. It's all idle speculation, but given that they showed him right as the voiceover states "Tech-Priests"...I'd say it's a good bet he's a Tech-Priest.

Oh sorry, I don't know what a Genetor looks like, You clearly do! Because _______________!

Great stuff there Kanny!

Oh I just watched the OP's poster, and now I have a bit of a boner for this game!

It's the Bikes man, the BIKES!

Based on these videos the system requirements should be modest enough.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/08/23/inquisition-dark-millenium-online-interview/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+RockPaperShotgun+(Rock,+Paper,+Shotgun)

reds8n wrote:http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/08/23/inquisition-dark-millenium-online-interview/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+RockPaperShotgun+(Rock,+Paper,+Shotgun)

Tank, Healer, DPS/Pet, Stealth/DPS?

lol I know he said its not gonna be "traditional" but throwing it out there

I will be giving it amiss. I got burned with MMO when Star Wars Galaxies went belly-up.

Wont be payign to play again in a hurry.


I think it would make more sense oto have Necrons and Nids as NPC races as they are the only races i can think of that dont ally with anyone.

Looking at that picture I'd say ( from right to left) : Marine scout, just about visible tech priest, sanctioned psyker in white, an Inquisitor in the back ( maybe something guard related perhaps) and a marine.

Praxiss wrote:I will be giving it amiss. I got burned with MMO when Star Wars Galaxies went belly-up.

Ah galaxies. Good Times indeed. best sandbox mmo before as you said went belly up

I lived for player-city building in SWG. Go B-crats!


Then the combat upgrade ruined everything.

(TK's were ridiculous though.)


Back to this thread, I dont see Genetors or Electro-priests having much place in Dark Millenium. While it's true they exist, so does a space marine chapter called "The Rainbow Warriors." - All we know about them is that in Rogue Trader one is shot by a SoB.

Point being that while there are some obscure IP's, it's unlikely we will see them in game over the more popular and well known entities. All in all, I think the Pro-Admech's have it backwards.

Is it possible this guy is an electropriest with purple voltage-bolts? Sure.

It's far more likely however that he's a Psyker ( A non admech one) and that you're simply playing devils advocate.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I know who he's talking about.

And that's the character that they showed off when they say "Tech Priests".

Then how come there's another 'Tech Priest' which looks like a Tech Priest.

"Different paths". I'm almost positive I've said that a few times now...

Thunderfrog wrote:Back to this thread, I don't see Genetors or Electro-priests having much place in Dark Millenium. While it's true they exist, so does a space marine chapter called "The Rainbow Warriors." - All we know about them is that in Rogue Trader one is shot by a SoB.

The difference being that Genetors and Electro-priests are still in the canon, and pretty recently even were mentioned in novels.
Genetors being something that accompany Imperial expeditions to reclaim or survey new worlds--there's a great chance for them "having a place in Dark Millenium".
Electro-priests being a common sight in Mechanicus forces supporting other Mechanicus Priesthood members means there's also a great chance for them "having a place in Dark Millenium".

ph34r wrote:Oh sorry, I don't know what a Genetor looks like, You clearly do! Because _______________!

Great stuff there Kanny!

I'm going off of loose descriptions of Genetors. Which has them(much like every NOVICE Tech Priest, even the Enginseers) as not having much in the way of bionic enhancements.
The point is, I don't have imagery of them--because none exists. There's only verbal descriptions of them, specifically in "Mechanicum".

There's also nothing on him that suggests an Inquisitor or a Psyker besides "a purple cloud", "big shoulderpads", and "a sword". An Inquisitor would have an Inquisitorial Rosette present on him somewhere, anywhere, and not be limited to just carrying a sword by itself(even if he were a Psyker).
Any kind of Sanctioned Psyker of any real "quality" for his powers--would be fitted with an Amplifier around his shaved scalp. There's nothing, as such, on him. Not to mention that even the lowliest of Sanctioned Psykers are accompanied by minders from the Adeptus Telepathica or the Commissariat in the field.

The point is, it's entirely possible that it is something we've never seen before in actual image format.
They have free reign over 40k's background. It's absurd to think they'd pick only things with Codex entries or pictures to work from.

fox-light713 wrote:
At 0:39 is a chaos marine on a auto cannon turret.

You and I are watching very different videos then. The one I posted, which was posted straight from GamesCom and by THQ/Vigil themselves has the Chaos Marine on the TL-Autocannon Sabre at 0:36. The electrical discharging Enginseer starts at 0:37.

reds8n wrote:Looking at that picture I'd say ( from right to left) : Marine scout, just about visible tech priest, sanctioned psyker in white, an Inquisitor in the back ( maybe something guard related perhaps) and a marine.

I highly doubt it's a Marine Scout on the right. He's carrying a Lasgun. Even the lowliest of Marine Scouts carry bolters or bolt pistols.
Quite frankly, I think it's more likely that the "high tech" guy with the lasgun, and the guy in the back with the shotgun are both Guardsmen--but having gone down a kind of Hardened Veteran pathway, losing the ability to control a squad while gaining more firepower and individual equipment for themselves.

Kanluwen wrote:

fox-light713 wrote:
At 0:39 is a chaos marine on a auto cannon turret.

You and I are watching very different videos then. The one I posted, which was posted straight from GamesCom and by THQ/Vigil themselves has the Chaos Marine on the TL-Autocannon Sabre at 0:36. The electrical discharging Enginseer starts at 0:37.

I suppose so, I downloaded the IoM trailer off of big downloads so I could pull clean individual frames from it like this one...


Also it doesn't make sense to have a playable class of something from 40k that dose not have an image to it or has very lose description to it only mentioned in a select few books where the average 40k player won't know what it is. Now if a Genetor was an npc quest giver or mentioned in a quest description that would make sense for the hardcore 40k players whom read a lot of the books and know a lot of be back story to 40k to understand what the character npc is and it would be like a little Easter egg for them. I really hope that Vigil Games adds little things like that in the game much like what the developers did for Bat Man Archem Asilrm, they had a lot of little hints and minor obscure references to the Bat Man comics that only hard core readers and enthusiasts knew about and it made that game all that better for them, and I really hope Vigil games adds alot of little things like this because it will allow the players who know the references to get all that more in depth into the game.

Because If Vigil Games had those little easter eggs in 40K DMO I bet you would just eat them up like a fat kid on a cup cake and you would have that much more fun in DMO.

That's the point man. They don't need everything to immediately be recognizable to the casual fan, nor does it have to be something already shown off in an image format.

This is their chance to bring things from the dark into the light and introduce them to people.

Look at what they did with Age of Reckoning. How many "casual Warhammer fans" knew why the Shadow Warriors protected one specific stretch of coastline?
What about the Order of the Griffon?
Or the Iron Wolves of Tzeentch?

They get to make the obscure--far more accessible.

I'll just ask again since it got drowned out in this stupid debate: are there any good/active fansites that track Millennium Online news?

Vhalyar wrote:I'll just ask again since it got drowned out in this stupid debate: are there any good/active fansites that track Millennium Online news?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dark+Millenium+fansite

metallifan wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:I'll just ask again since it got drowned out in this stupid debate: are there any good/active fansites that track Millennium Online news?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dark+Millenium+fansite

Yes and most of them are pure crap which is why I'm asking if there is a particular site that is good, but thanks for trying, or not.

Well these videos and stills are the first updates on the game in oh... let's see... 4 years?

What do you expect to find, exactly? Because I can already tell you you're going to be disappointed until we're actually reasonably close to release.

Vhalyar wrote:

metallifan wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:I'll just ask again since it got drowned out in this stupid debate: are there any good/active fansites that track Millennium Online news?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dark+Millenium+fansite

Yes and most of them are pure crap which is why I'm asking if there is a particular site that is good, but thanks for trying, or not.

I have been going to this site.

http://www.warpwatchers.com/index.php?app=portal

They were warhammer40konline.net. But with recent actions by GW they decided it would be a better decision to change their name to warpwatchers.com before being ordered to.

The site UI is clean and the people are not too bad. Some of the MODS seem to have been communicating with Vigil and trying to get them to release info for the site...to which they haven't received any solid info but they also haven't been ignored.

Kanluwen wrote:
Look at what they did with Age of Reckoning. How many "casual Warhammer fans" knew why the Shadow Warriors protected one specific stretch of coastline?
What about the Order of the Griffon?
Or the Iron Wolves of Tzeentch?

They get to make the obscure--far more accessible.

Ummmm not to brag but I did you just got to read the codexes, but I do see your point.

This thread is amazing. Kanluwen has essentially metamorphasied into Melissia.

Hilarious.

Look Kan:



It's (from left-to-right) a Marine, a Tech-Priest, a Tech-Priest, a Tech-Priest (that actually looks like a Tech-Priest) and a Guardsman.

I bet the Guardsman and Marine want to be Tech-Priests though.

ProtoClone wrote:I have been going to this site.

http://www.warpwatchers.com/index.php?app=portal

They were warhammer40konline.net. But with recent actions by GW they decided it would be a better decision to change their name to warpwatchers.com before being ordered to.

The site UI is clean and the people are not too bad. Some of the MODS seem to have been communicating with Vigil and trying to get them to release info for the site...to which they haven't received any solid info but they also haven't been ignored.

Now that's helpful, especially since the community there seems rather active! Thanks.

Anyone ever considered that guy just might be an NPC?

H.B.M.C. wrote:This thread is amazing. Kanluwen has essentially metamorphasied into Melissia.

Hilarious.

Look Kan:



It's (from left-to-right) a Marine, a Tech-Priest, a Tech-Priest, a Tech-Priest (that actually looks like a Tech-Priest) and a Guardsman.

I bet the Guardsman and Marine want to be Tech-Priests though.

The only thing that doesn't have any immediately recognizable identifiers is the middle one, in the white robe.

I've dug through everything I own in regards to background and he fits nothing, at all. There's no Amplifier(which would indicate a Sanctioned Psyker), there's no Inquisitorial Rosette(which would indicate...y'know, an Inquisitor. The only thing that really fits, to me, is a Tech Priest of a lesser known order[which the Genetors and Electro-priests would fit] or some kind of Ecclesiarchal representative, which wouldn't make sense for him to be slinging around supposed Psyker powers then either), there's nothing to go off of outside of a white robe, a book(being carried by a servoskull), a staff, and a sword.

All I'm really trying to get across, at this point, is that we will most likely see things we've never seen before in addition to the well-documented parts of 40k. Could it be a low-level Psyker? Sure. Could it be an Inquisitor? Sure. But nothing on him adds up to either of those, just like it doesn't add up to Generic Tech-Priest Enginseer #562.
The difference is there is some evidence, in the form of background for the Adeptus Mechanicus actually having a form of effective combatants who go into battle chanting, wearing technology fused to their flesh that allows them to build up an electrical pulse to discharge, and also being a part of a branch of the Mechanicus that is heavily involved in genetics. The "white robes" bit is just pure conjecture on my part based off some more obscure fluff sources which does support that leap of logic, considering the two differing robe colors you'll see in the Mechanicus are the bog-standard "rust-red" for the Enginseers, Rune Priests, and Artisians(the ones who deal with machines) and the alternative "pure white" for the more sciencey branches of the Lexmechanics, Transmechanics, Logis, etc.

P.S: And if you ever compare me to She-Who-Will-Never-Be-Named-Again-In-This-Thread again, may Australia be smitten for its heathen ways! That's a low blow, even for you HB.

FlammingGaunt wrote:Ummmm not to brag but I did you just got to read the codexes, but I do see your point.

Funny, because those aren't actually in the codices/army books...but novels and White Dwarves/WHFRP content.
But yeah. I'm still convinced that if anyone is expecting this to be "by the Army Book/Big Gray Book of Fluff"...they're going to be pretty surprised.

Hey, that guy in the white robe is actually a Khorne Berserker! You see, there's already a distinct Khorne Marine in the trailer, but hear me out! NOWHERE in the codex does it say that Khorne Berserkers only wear red, or that they wear power armor, or that they use chainaxes, or that they don't hang out with Imperial guys. And while I don't see any explicit symbols of Khorne or Chaos on him, I don't not see any symbols of the Imperium on him!

See where I'm coming from guys? Guys?

Look! A Tech-Priest:

Tech Priest thread! Everyone post your Tech Priests!

Brother SRM wrote:Hey, that guy in the white robe is actually a Khorne Berserker! You see, there's already a distinct Khorne Marine in the trailer, but hear me out! NOWHERE in the codex does it say that Khorne Berserkers only wear red, or that they wear power armor, or that they use chainaxes, or that they don't hang out with Imperial guys. And while I don't see any explicit symbols of Khorne or Chaos on him, I don't not see any symbols of the Imperium on him!

See where I'm coming from guys? Guys?

Difference is "white robes, staves, no bionics(which can be shorted out by the subdermal electoos present on Electro-Priests)" all support what I'm saying, rather than making some half-assed attempt at sarcasm and a ridiculous example.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Look! A Tech-Priest:

Look! A crazy old basement dweller!

Kanluwen wrote:The only thing that doesn't have any immediately recognizable identifiers is the middle one, in the white robe.

True.... the thing it can be dis-identified as, however, is a Tech Priest... his robe says AVE IMPERATOR on it.

And what's your point?
"Ave Imperator" means nothing in this context, outside of "he's not a traitor".

Kanluwen wrote:And what's your point?
"Ave Imperator" means nothing in this context, outside of "he's not a traitor".

The only people in the entire Imperium that do not praise the Emperor are the _________ ___________.

Fill in the blanks!

Also posting more Tech Priests as to not be off topic

Except they do, but in his guise as the Omnissiah.

Please try again.

Kanluwen wrote:Except they do, but in his guise as the Omnissiah.

His robe does not say "Ave Omnissiah", does it?

ph34r wrote:True.... the thing it can be dis-identified as, however, is a Tech Priest... his robe says AVE IMPERATOR on it.

Imagine how confusing it'd be if it said Ave Maria.

And I found another Tech-Priest:



I mean, sure, it doesn't say Tech-Priest and it doesn't even look like a Tech-Priest, but I'm sure it is.

This is about as bad as the time Green Blow Fly (or Black Blow Fly, if they're not the same guy) had a stubborn argument with pretty much everyone on Dakka for like 10 pages over whether or not a Baal predator in a picture was a conversion or a new plastic kit. He thought it was a conversion and defended it to the death.

He was wrong. I think he ended up buying Lunahound a devastator box or something. Now we just have to have somebody come in and make a bet with Kanluwen and get a free tactical squad or whatever.

AlexHolker wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Except they do, but in his guise as the Omnissiah.

His robe does not say "Ave Omnissiah", does it?

Enlarge... Enhance!

*beep boop*

AlexHolker wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Except they do, but in his guise as the Omnissiah.

His robe does not say "Ave Omnissiah", does it?

Nope, but again: There's nothing showing anything that gives me any real conclusive proof as to what the hell it is, despite the smartass comments present here from the peanut gallery.

Vigil's not saying anything or identifying them, outside of the three "classes" named. Which, again, brings me to the point of...

It's an alternative theory as to what it is.
Could it be an Inquisitor? Sure. But there's nothing outside of some generic bits that would not be shared with practically anything under the sun for the Imperium of Man.
Could it be some kind of Ecclesiarchal or Adeptus Telepathica character? Sure. But...again, "nothing outside of some generic bits that would not be shared with practically anything under the sun for the Imperium of Man."


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Brother SRM wrote:This is about as bad as the time Green Blow Fly (or Black Blow Fly, if they're not the same guy) had a stubborn argument with pretty much everyone on Dakka for like 10 pages over whether or not a Baal predator in a picture was a conversion or a new plastic kit. He thought it was a conversion and defended it to the death.

He was wrong. I think he ended up buying Lunahound a devastator box or something. Now we just have to have somebody come in and make a bet with Kanluwen and get a free tactical squad or whatever.

You're welcome to bet with me about what it is, but I've not said anything definitive outside of presenting what it could be in my eyes.

Brother SRM wrote:This is about as bad as the time Green Blow Fly (or Black Blow Fly, if they're not the same guy) had a stubborn argument with pretty much everyone on Dakka for like 10 pages over whether or not a Baal predator in a picture was a conversion or a new plastic kit. He thought it was a conversion and defended it to the death.

He was wrong. I think he ended up buying Lunahound a devastator box or something. Now we just have to have somebody come in and make a bet with Kanluwen and get a free tactical squad or whatever.

I'm pretty sure the conclusion was that it was the Baal Predator was in fact a Tech Priest.

No, that's clearly a fire truck.

No, this is a fire truck.

Wrong, that's a dinosaur.

Jeez ph34r. You're 0-2 here.

Until Vigil Games has put out more info on DMO I'm not going to even continue the debate wither or not the white robed guys is part of the Ad-Mech or whatever else.

To me the white robed guy looks like a physker type of character, but until Vigil Games gives out more information that says otherwise I'm going to keep my speculation to that.

Although I'm still looking forward to a SoB class under the IoM race for the first release of DMO if not an expansion.

I'd love for it to be a Psyker, but I don't see anything that screams 'Psyker' to me, looking at it from a background perspective.
There'd be an Amplifier/Psychic Hood fused to his skull if he were.

Electro-Priest is just the best thing that fits in my eyes, looking at it in terms of what we know is going to be in there.

Sandy Mitchell constantly refers to tech priests as wearing white robes. Of course, I just put this down as an egregious error on his part . . .

Tech Priests CAN wear white robes.
However, they are almost never depicted as such in recent images.
They also don't venerate the Emperor, but rather the Omnissiah.
They also don't use purple space magic, they use lightning and guns and robo arms.

What a Tech-Priest may look like:



OT:
It'll be interesting to see how the PVP shapes up- while I really love open-world PVP, I do think there'll end up being faction imbalance.

ph34r wrote:Tech Priests CAN wear white robes.

Oh? How about magenta ones? Or a vivid chartreuse? Do you mean that they are physically capable of wearing white robes or that tech priests actually DO wear white robes in any other part of the 40k universe besides Ciaphas Cain's memoirs?

Well I would also like to bring up the 2 other characters that we have seen in the screen shots and videos which are these two guys



The first guy with the lasgun I can't quite put a place on him. He could be IG because of the Lasgun but lacks a 'uniform' so to speak plus his gear suggests more of a private purchase like a merc or a rouge trader

The same goes for the second guy except that there's no way he could be IG, but more of a merc or a rouge trader he just looks '$richer$' than the first guy. Dun know but it could be stretched to Inquisitron maybe, but the lack of the Inquisitron I says otherwise.

ph34r wrote:
They also don't use purple space magic, they use lightning and guns and robo arms.

Granted.

However, there's descriptions of some of the electoo(which utilizes mind impulses and the conscious build-up of energy on the part of the user) tech that Electro-Priests use looking similar to the discharge of Warp energy.

Plus it burns out electronics, seeing as how it's basically an EMP discharge...which makes sense as to why Electro-Priests(who are generally very junior ranking members of the Tech-Priesthood) really don't have much in the way of bionics.


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Manchu wrote:

ph34r wrote:Tech Priests CAN wear white robes.

Oh? How about magenta ones? Or a vivid chartreuse? Do you mean that they are physically capable of wearing white robes or that tech priests actually DO wear white robes in any other part of the 40k universe besides Ciaphas Cain's memoirs?

"Official" canon has the Tech-Priesthood as wearing either pure white robes or rust-red. Am pretty sure that "Mechanicus" and "Titanicus" were the first places it showed up,

I've read both of those and have no recollection of white-robed techpriests. I'm not saying it absolutely wasn't there but it's the sort of thing I think I'd have noticed considering how puzzled I was while reading Sandy Mitchell. The ONLY place I've ever seen anything close to a white-robed techpriest is this guy, who you will note is an Inquisitor.

fox-light713 wrote:Well I would also like to bring up the 2 other characters that we have seen in the screen shots and videos which are these two guys



The first guy with the lasgun I can't quite put a place on him. He could be IG because of the Lasgun but lacks a 'uniform' so to speak plus his gear suggests more of a private purchase like a merc or a Rogue Trader

If "merc or rogue trader" were ever listed as some form of playable class...you'd probably be right. But they're not, so go with "Veteran Guardsman" or "Inquisitorial Guardsman".
Both of those utilize non-uniform equipment, with the Veteran Guardsmen utilizing stuff that they gather up over the time of their enlistment.
The Inquisitorial Guardsmen...well, they get the best that their patron can afford or requisition.

The same goes for the second guy except that there's no way he could be IG, but more of a merc or a Rogue Trader he just looks '$richer$' than the first guy. Dun know but it could be stretched to Inquisition maybe, but the lack of the Inquisition I says otherwise.

I'd go with neither of those, but I would go so far as to say he's an "alternate" Guardsman model or potentially an Inquisitorial Acolyte.


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Manchu wrote:I've read both of those and have no recollection of white-robed techpriests. I'm not saying it absolutely wasn't there but it's the sort of thing I think I'd have noticed considering how puzzled I was while reading Sandy Mitchell. The ONLY place I've ever seen anything close to a white-robed techpriest is this guy, who you will note is an Inquisitor.

Well aware of the model Have it sitting on my shelf in Inquisitor Rex's retinue, actually.

Like I've said, time and time again here.

"Vigil is not restricted to what already is, but to the entirety of 40k's background." They can do whatever they want, provided the Black Library Fluff Nazi Editors okay it and find precedence.

Any one yet asked the question:

"If this is a promotional shot to show of different classes within the 'Imperium', why did they put the Tech-Priest in twice?"

Isn't it more logical to assume that in a picture showing off the various classes within the Imperium faction, especially when they are so obviously 'posed' to show each of them off, that they wouldn't include 3 different ones, and then two the same wearing different clothes? Can't we then infer that the guy who looks like a Tech-Priest is a Tech-Priest and the guy that looks nothing like a traditional 40K Tech-Priest is, in fact, not a Tech-Priest?


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fox-light713 wrote:Well I would also like to bring up the 2 other characters that we have seen in the screen shots and videos which are these two guys

Ain't you been payin' attention? They're Tech-Priests.

Kanluwen wrote:

fox-light713 wrote:

If "merc or rogue trader" were ever listed as some form of playable class...you'd probably be right. But they're not, so go with "Veteran Guardsman" or "Inquisitorial Guardsman".
Both of those utilize non-uniform equipment, with the Veteran Guardsmen utilizing stuff that they gather up over the time of their enlistment.
The Inquisitorial Guardsmen...well, they get the best that their patron can afford or requisition.

Indeed you probably right on that one which would sugest that IG players would be playing as special character like a Vet. Guard, and a Stormtrooper/Kasrkin type of character.

Kanluwen wrote:

I'd go with neither of those, but I would go so far as to say he's an "alternate" Guardsman model or potentially an Inquisitorial Acolyte.

To me I would be leaning tourds the Inquisitorial Acolyte option because his gear looks more Form (astetics) than function, where as the Vet. Guard has gear that looks more Functional than form.

Kanluwen wrote:
"Vigil is not restricted to what already is, but to the entirety of 40k's background." They can do whatever they want, provided the Black Library Fluff Nazi Editors okay it and find precedence.

^Meet the Black Library Fluff Nazi Editors^ Do not anger them or they will make you eat a 3 course meal consisting of man, woman and a baby, then sacrifice you to the blood god.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Any one yet asked the question:

"If this is a promotional shot to show of different classes within the 'Imperium', why did they put the Tech-Priest in twice?"

Isn't it more logical to assume that in a picture showing off the various classes within the Imperium faction, especially when they are so obviously 'posed' to show each of them off, that they wouldn't include 3 different ones, and then two the same wearing different clothes? Can't we then infer that the guy who looks like a Tech-Priest is a Tech-Priest and the guy that looks nothing like a traditional 40K Tech-Priest is, in fact, not a Tech-Priest?

Until we know exact class counts for each race, other than "these are the three announced, and they'll each have multiple progression pathways"...there's a lot of room for interpretation.

fox-light713 wrote:Indeed you're probably right on that one which would suggest that IG players would be playing as special character like a Vet. Guard, and a Stormtrooper/Kasrkin type of character.

Here's the fun part. The guys at Vigil made an implication at GamesCom that there will be pathways for some classes that control entire squads, and others that operate as a form of lone wolf.
It's important to remember that it won't be "IG players" as their own race. The IG, for all intents and purposes, will be a class not a race.

fox-light713 wrote:^Meet the Black Library Fluff Nazi Editors^ Do not anger them or they will make you eat a 3 course meal consisting of man, woman and a baby, then sacrifice you to the blood god.

Pft. Those are the fluff nazis in a good mood...

Kanluwen wrote:
Here's the fun part. The guys at Vigil made an implication at GamesCom that there will be pathways for some classes that control entire squads, and others that operate as a form of lone wolf.
It's important to remember that it won't be "IG players" as their own race. The IG, for all intents and purposes, will be a class not a race.

I know I was referring to players that would be playing the IG class under the Impirium of Man race.

And so far we Know that the very possible/the classes for the IoM race are...

SM
tech priests
IG

I'm also hoping for, but I haven't seen or heard anything on them an Inquisitor/Physker type class and a SoB class. Thoe having a different play style for a SoB vs a SM could be interesting to figure out, although it could be comparable to WoW as the SM being a dps warrior vs the SoB being a dps paladin.

fox-light713 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Here's the fun part. The guys at Vigil made an implication at GamesCom that there will be pathways for some classes that control entire squads, and others that operate as a form of lone wolf.
It's important to remember that it won't be "IG players" as their own race. The IG, for all intents and purposes, will be a class not a race.

I know I was referring to players that would be playing the IG class under the Imperium of Man race.

And so far we Know that the very possible/the classes for the IoM race are...

SM
tech priests
IG

Not "possible". Those are the only ones they've come out and confirmed, with the statement of "if everything goes to plan". Could one of them be dropped? Sure. But I doubt they would, since those three are going to be representing the three "major" factions of the Imperium that you'll see in every warzone. The Mechanicus and Tech-Priests accompany pretty much every Imperial expeditions

I'm also hoping for, but I haven't seen or heard anything on them an Inquisitor/Psyker type class and a SoB class. Though having a different play style for a SoB vs a SM could be interesting to figure out, although it could be comparable to WoW as the SM being a dps warrior vs the SoB being a dps paladin.

There's nothing, in gameplay terms, that differentiates Sisters of Battle from Space Marines. Their equipment is the same(with Astartes equipment being slightly larger and better made) and their character hook is the same(power armored warrior-monks with an unshakable faith in the God-Emperor).

Inquisitors...I can see them being, I dunno...a kind of "advanced" progression path. I highly doubt you'll be able to just say "Hey, I'm gonna be an Inquisitor"(or at least that's what I'm hoping. Inquisitors, barring the Ordo Hereticus ones, are supposed to be rare.) and voila! you're an Inquisitor. I can, quite frankly, see something more along the lines of:
You do a series of tasks and gain a certain amount of notoriety with the Inquisition NPC faction, and you can opt to start training with them, getting stuff like Hellfire rounds which deal increased damage against Tyranid targets, litanies against corruption and Daemonic infestation, etc.

Sisters of Battle...ehhhh. Again, a form of "advanced" progression path would probably work.
Playing a female Imperial Guard Veteran? In nice with the Ecclesiarchy?
Congratulations! You can, after a lengthy as hell series of tasks and achievements, opt to leave your old life behind and begin anew as a member of the Adeptas Sororitas!

Psykers, I'm not quite sure how to work in without completely breaking the background about them. Are they relatively common? Yeah. But at the same time...they're also a strictly regulated thing. Any that are unregistered are pretty much killed on sight, or put away where they can do no harm.

Disclaimer:
This is all my conjecture. This is what I would love to see, in terms of the game.

Kanluwen wrote:
There's nothing, in gameplay terms, that differentiates Sisters of Battle from Space Marines. Their equipment is the same(with Astartes equipment being slightly larger and better made) and their character hook is the same(power armored warrior-monks with an unshakable faith in the God-Emperor).

Space Marines unshakable faith in the God-Emperor? So what was the Horus Heresy all about? Or all those other chaos space marines?

Gameplay wise I would expect a space marine to be a full tanker or full dpser or a hybrid of the two.
Sister of Battle due to their acts of faith could be a buffer, a brust dps or even a temporary tanker. They might just be a class that adapts to the situation.
Now don't give me this acts of faith are rare and thus they won't include it cause all you have to do is look at the table top game and see how rare acts of faith are.

Except there's nothing to indicate we'll see the traditional idea of "tanks".

And don't even get me started on Sisters of Battle being on the tabletop. They belong like a hat on a donkey.

Kanluwen wrote:Except there's nothing to indicate we'll see the traditional idea of "tanks".

And don't even get me started on Sisters of Battle being on the tabletop. They belong like a hat on a donkey.

Oh, if it was up to you half the armies in 40k would be gone cause they don't fit your strict definition of army even thought the fluff and rule book clearly states otherwise.

Well every mmo has had a tank, I expect the same from this one. Regardless my point still stands.

Space Marines being tanks, I'd say combo of the two, one role ranged DPS with heavy weapons and a sort of tank with Hand to hand weaponry and a talent setting for close quarters.

Necrosis wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Except there's nothing to indicate we'll see the traditional idea of "tanks".

And don't even get me started on Sisters of Battle being on the tabletop. They belong like a hat on a donkey.

Oh, if it was up to you half the armies in 40k would be gone cause they don't fit your strict definition of army even thought the fluff and rule book clearly states otherwise.

Well every mmo has had a tank, I expect the same from this one. Regardless my point still stands.

Sisters of Battle and the Inquisition does not equal "half the armies in 40k". Sorry, learn to count.

Kanluwen wrote:Sisters of Battle and the Inquisition does not equal "half the armies in 40k". Sorry, learn to count.

How about you make argument relative to the topic instead of trying to drag this into an off topic argument.

Then don't bring your Sisters of Battle "Woe is us, we're so unloved!" indignation crap into my thread.

Umm I didn't bring it in. Also mind laying off the insults.

Kanluwen wrote: into my thread.

It's not your thread, that's not how forums work.

Isn't it more logical to assume that in a picture showing off the various classes within the Imperium faction,

Steady now, actual thinking , as opposed to random wishing and pointless speculation, on the topic may well result in irreparable damage to the spacetime continuum.

Well, overall, it's been "fun" and we have, at the least, learnt a lot about tech priests, of whom there is, clearly, more than meets the eye.

Let's move on from this now, so i don't have to lock the thread, issue warnings and generally make life awkward for lots of people. Ta.

Clearly, this isn't the place for anything Sisters of Battle related though.

This is the Tech-Priest and Fire Truck thread!

On a more serious note:
There's, sadly, no telling when the next new batch of information/releases will crop up...but you can bet I'll have a video link when it does.

reds8n wrote:Steady now, actual thinking , as opposed to random wishing and pointless speculation, on the topic may well result in irreparable damage to the spacetime continuum.

I think you're a Tech-Priest.

*5th amendment*


.. Dark Mechanicum 4 LIFE

Tech Priest as 'pet' class with dreds....as tanks?

giggidy!

I had a CRAZY idea that some classes could be MULTI CLASSES. I know its pretty off but I was wondering if you could say mash up SoB with Stormtrooper or something as generic jack of all trades fighter. then again I also was thinking of mashing up the aspect warriors but dont know how that would fit in (avenger/reaper/dragon are ranged users, banshees and scorpions are assault, and spiders/hawks/spears are fast)

Everything in Dark Mill can multi-class:

Space Marine/Tech-Priest
Guardsman/Tech-Priest
Inquisitor/Tech-Priest
Tech-Priest/Tech-Priest

It's awesome.

fox-light713 wrote:I'm also hoping for, but I haven't seen or heard anything on them an Inquisitor/Physker type class and a SoB class. Thoe having a different play style for a SoB vs a SM could be interesting to figure out, although it could be comparable to WoW as the SM being a dps warrior vs the SoB being a dps paladin.

I already provided a suggestion: Seraphim. It would provide a distinctly different fighting style to a footslogger Space Marine, braving the gauntlet of long range fire to hit hard and then fall back instead of just moving forwards into combat range and staying there until one of you is dead.

Just because they haven't officially announced something in a VERY early trailer doesn't mean it's not in the game. I'd definitely say there's potential room for Rogue Traders and the like as the rogue-type class. After all, somebody's gotta look for traps, and it's not going to be the Space Marine.

Brother SRM wrote:Just because they haven't officially announced something in a VERY early trailer doesn't mean it's not in the game. I'd definitely say there's potential room for Rogue Traders and the like as the rogue-type class. After all, somebody's gotta look for traps, and it's not going to be the Space Marine.

Well the Tech Priest could do it.

Kanluwen wrote:

I'm also hoping for, but I haven't seen or heard anything on them an Inquisitor/Psyker type class and a SoB class. Though having a different play style for a SoB vs a SM could be interesting to figure out, although it could be comparable to WoW as the SM being a dps warrior vs the SoB being a dps paladin.

There's nothing, in gameplay terms, that differentiates Sisters of Battle from Space Marines. Their equipment is the same(with Astartes equipment being slightly larger and better made) and their character hook is the same(power armored warrior-monks with an unshakable faith in the God-Emperor).

Sisters of Battle...ehhhh. Again, a form of "advanced" progression path would probably work.
Playing a female Imperial Guard Veteran? In nice with the Ecclesiarchy?
Congratulations! You can, after a lengthy as hell series of tasks and achievements, opt to leave your old life behind and begin anew as a member of the Adeptas Sororitas!

Well if we used a World of Warcraft comparison like a Warrior vs Paladin

A Warrior and a Paladin both

Can weir plate armor
use just about the same weapon types to do the most damage they can.
deal primarily most of their in melee range

where they differ is in their abilities

(these are tanking abilities but will demonstrate the same point)
Warrior

Disarm/Stuns Not very useful for most encounters
Silences/interrupts are very effective if the fight needs it, but also given to dps classes- good if the tank is alone on the boss as well.
Last stand + enraged regeneration may be a life saver at times
shield wall - 5 minute cooldown@ 60% , 4 minute talented. 2 minute @ 40% glyphed
shield block - 10 seconds of 100% block and block value every 40 seconds, or 30 with 4 piece tier.
critical block- 60% chance to block double the normal amount
Sunder armor - saves the dps from doing it, but not unique
Intervene - lowers threat/ Useful for pauses in fights like frosthowl, otherwise not likely to be used
Vigilance - Very good for our threat, 15% if glyphed.
Taunting - one taunt plus mocking blow ( a taunt if glyphed ) and challenging shout every 3 minutes
Buffs: Depends on raid composition, without other warriors or enough pallies we can bring commanding shout or battle shout, both are improved in a dps spec ( talented )

Paladin

Holy wrath undead stun, hammer of justice stun - not very useful for most encounters
silences/interrupts - hammer of justice, 60 seconds or 40 seconds talented - long cooldown but still usable
Divine protection - 3 minute cooldown @ 50%, 2 minute cd talented, and 1:30 4 piece
ardent defender - 20% less damage taken under 35% and a free death + 30% health every 2 minutes
Laying on of hands - 100% health heal 15 minute CD, 11 talented
Holy shield - 30% block nearly always up
Redoubt - 30% block value, 30% block when procs
Salvation - Lowers enemy threat, ranged buff
Taunting - Single target taunt , as well as a taunt castable on a player, bringing up to 3 mobs to the paladin on a 8 second cooldown.
Buffs: Blessing of sanctuary ( talented ) spec specific. Rest of the buffs are depending on raid make up, Kings, - Might and Wisdom ( both can be improved through talents )
- -Multiple auras for armor, resistances, cast time channeling, etc. Aura mastery improves effects by 100% ( 2 minute cooldown, lasts 10 seconds )
- - Blessing of protection removes many debuffs and makes a raid member immune to physical attacks

Both classes have abilities that accomplish the same thing but at the same time are very different making them two very different classes to play. The same can be done with SM and Sob

Both SM and SoB have

Power Armor
Primarily Use Bolters
Are faithful to the Emperor

Space Marines

I could imagine would use Krak and Frag grenades with specialty ammuntion (explosive, fragmenting, ect). With abilities that are named fairly straight forward and don't really require much of an explanation to what the ability dose because the name of the ability would say it all.

Sisters of Battle

I could imagine would use Incendiary, holly fire(extra damage vs deamons), and Melta type grenades with Blessed ammunition (Incidiary, Holy(extra damage vs deamons), ect). With abilities that have names that might need a slight explanation to what the ability dose but would accomplish the same effect of the SM abilities but in a different way.

That's how I can see Vigil Games differentiating SM from SoB so that a SoB class can be chosen from the start. In the way that the SoB have so much faith in the emperor that if persay they believe that the emperor will grant them flight without the aid of technology SoB can believe in to so faithfully that it would actually happen. Which is why I see them more as a paladin like dps'er than just another warrior dps'er.

ph34r wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Except they do, but in his guise as the Omnissiah.

His robe does not say "Ave Omnissiah", does it?

Enlarge... Enhance!

*beep boop*

Oh sweet Jesus, you just made my fething day. LOL.

Brother SRM wrote:Just because they haven't officially announced something in a VERY early trailer doesn't mean it's not in the game. I'd definitely say there's potential room for Rogue Traders and the like as the rogue-type class. After all, somebody's gotta look for traps, and it's not going to be the Space Marine.

Yeah, they'd be more likely to just walk into them.

What, haven't you read Black Library books yet?

Brother SRM wrote:After all, somebody's gotta look for traps, and it's not going to be the Space Marine.

That's what chainfists are for. The door might be trapped, but I bet the wall isn't!

AlexHolker wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:After all, somebody's gotta look for traps, and it's not going to be the Space Marine.

That's what chainfists are for. The door might be trapped, but I bet the wall isn't!

I sincerely doubt there's going to be a "Detect Traps" skill. MMOs have been moving away from the "hidden traps, everywhere in every dungeon!" for awhile now, or have been coming up with ways to ensure it's not something that can be done by just one class.

I can see some kind of tech upgrade, though, allowing for the spotting of traps if they're involved.

I do have to wonder just how destructible the environments will be though. Trapped doorway blocking your Guard Squad advance?

Pft. Demo charge the wall!

Kanluwen wrote:
I can see some kind of tech upgrade, though, allowing for the spotting of traps if they're involved.

Or at least I can see it as a class specific upgrade for like a SM Scout or Eldar Ranger.

I don't see SM scouts as a playable path, as an aside.

They'd be far too similar to Guardsmen, but with none of the weaknesses of playing a Guardsman.

I think they're tech priests. All of them. Even the ones that look like Space Marines and Guardsmen, they're all tech priests.

Techpriest 40k: Dark Millenium!

Imperial Guard????

Tech priests with lasguns!

And this is why we can't have nice things or inside jokes on Dakka.
They get overused like whoa.

You started it.

But you weren't joking.

Are we really STILL talking about damned Tech Priests?

Look, I think we can all agree (except Kanluwen of course) that it is clearly NOT a Tech Priest. We may not know what it is exactly, as it does not appear to be an Inquisitor or a Sanctioned Psyker, not as we know them anyway, but it is not a Tech Priest. Even using Kanluwen's logic, it cannot be a Tech Priest. Just as it (apparently) requires cerebral implants to be a Sanctioned Psyker or an Inquisitorial Rosette to be an Inquisitor, it requires SOME sort of CLEAR indication that it is a Tech Priest, be it a cog/gear or somesuch pattern, the half mechanical skull of the admech, heavy bionic augmentation, or something similar. The color of the robes is NOT this clear indicator, as robes have been shown to be a common article of clothing, with widespread use throughout the Imperium.

BTW, Kanluwen if you look again, this dude clearly does have some sort of mechanical implants in the back of his head:

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/890201/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online/images/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online-20100820100516628.html?page=mediaFull

Look at the upper left (from our perspective) of the guys head. You can clearly make out what appears to be 2 cables plugging into the rear of the dudes head.

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/890201/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online/images/warhammer-40000-dark-millennium-online-20100820100543409.html?page=mediaFull

Similar implants can be seen in the same position in this image.

There, the rest of us can move on to discussing something else.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You started it.

But you weren't joking.

But I wasn't also 100% convinced, outside of presenting what it wasn't in my opinion.

Then again, you also couldn't quite grasp my statement of "it could be something we've never seen actually illustrated before".

All I have to say now is that I want this game to be out now.

You and me both, Fox.

Thats one cool discussion going on quite amusing.. especially the picture with the badly drawn "nissia" in it .

I cant wait for this game to be released... 40K is such a great environment to place an MMO in.

Think of all the possibilities (given it lives long enough for several expansions..).

I hear that the veteran guardsmen class whips around melta guns and makes you instant win

Tech-Priests are imba!!!!

You're just saying that to piss off Kanluwen, because he has a Tech Priest avatar.

Yeah...

This game is coming out when?

2012-2013, known on the Chinese calendar as the Year of the Tech-Priest

ph34r wrote:You're just saying that to piss off Kanluwen, because he has a Tech Priest avatar.

Why would he do that, when he has a Tech Priest avatar, too?

Luna Havoc wrote:I want to drive the Titan!

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Luna Havoc wrote:I want to drive the Titan!

Didnt you hear?
Titan is just a class path that Tech Priests can take!

amidoinitrite?

ph34r wrote:You're just saying that to piss off Kanluwen, because he has a Tech Priest avatar.

Find me a good enough Tech Priest avatar and I totally will.

warboss spinetwizta wrote:

Luna Havoc wrote:I want to drive the Titan!

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Just stop. Please.

If this thread has taught me anything, it's this: We need more tech priests.

Kanluwen wrote:

ph34r wrote:You're just saying that to piss off Kanluwen, because he has a Tech Priest avatar.

Find me a good enough Tech Priest avatar and I totally will.

Nice, and one of my favorite tech priest images too.

game looks interesting, could be awesome could not be. Still too early to tell but either way, as with every MMO that I once played, I'll download the typical 14-day trial and if bad, meh no money wasted, if awesome well I already have the game installed, time to whip out the visa and keep playing.

Its THQ - have faith.

Its like I said when blizzard was making WoW ... "Blizzard does not make bad games!"

system req's?....

You won't know for at least two years.

Kanluwen wrote:You won't know for at least two years.

Which is a VERY good point that really does need repeating - the finished game is AT LEAST TWO YEARS AWAY!

So, deep breaths everyone!

I'm just waiting patiently for the next information update. Do you hear me THQInsider?

Patiently waiting.

Will i be able to join chapters,legions ect for example if i make an Ork could i join the goffs evil sunz or bad moons?

Mr Chicken wrote:Will i be able to join chapters,legions ect for example if i make an Ork could i join the goffs evil sunz or bad moons?

I'm sure plenty of chapters and what not will be involved in the game, but I'd be surprised if they didn't let you paint your own armour, also supplying presets... much like they did with the Dawn of War series.

At least, I hope they do.

I imagine klans [sic] will pop up in short order- depending on how PvP is done, there may be a formal system for it, too.

Mr Chicken wrote:Will i be able to join chapters,legions ect for example if i make an Ork could i join the goffs evil sunz or bad moons?

Probably not, they already said that SM players would be exclusively Black Templars. Logically, that would mean every other race belongs to the same clan/faction/whatever.

MMORPG.com:
How will you handle the many Space Marine Chapters in the game? Will there be some form of customization for players?

Tim Campbell:
All I can say for now is that the chapter that we are focusing on for our base playable Space Marine is the Black Templars. There are many reasons for choosing this particular chapter that will be revealed over time.!

Do you think that the guy with the lasgun could be a Skitarii? That would explain why he appears shortly after the narrator says "tech-priest's of the adeptus mechanicus"..... kinda.
and btw, first post woot!!

There are some new screenshots posted on the THQ website http://www.thq.com/uk/game/screenshots/6168/1

This looks soo good, I hope that it will be Mac compatible.

Its weird seeing 40k vehicles the proper scale.. Im used to rhinos being the same height as their riders