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Post by: Kroothawk
Hi,
as the last thread was closed shortly before the next expected batch of rumours, here a new thread.
Rumour Summary
Release in November.
Codex
3 metal blisters
3 metal boxes
6 plastic boxes
1 Special item.
5 of the 6 plastic boxes are, as confirmed by Harry:
Warriors
Wyches
Raider
Ravager (yes, Harry thinks they are separate kit)
Hellions
Strongly expected to be the 6th box is the Reaver jetbike.
There will be a 1.5 and 2nd wave next year, maybe including a battleforce. Avian heard a long time ago that these will be January and March, but this seems unlikely now.
Most miniatures done by Jes Goodwin over the last few years, but Juan Diaz, Seb Perbett and Aly Morrison also made a few.
Here a first hand description by our Waaagh_Gonads :
After seeing (some) of the warriors that were assembled from the new DE warrior sprue (I did not see the bits on the sprue) last weekend and having been given the all clear to talk about them by my source:
Best start point is to use this pic as a reference.
The warriors are not striding forward and hunched over like they are about to tip over- legs are laid out in a wide stance and the models are much, much better proportioned than the old ones, so no more legs that go all the way up and tiny torsos.
Helmets and non helmeted heads included.
Non helmeted head has a high ponytail.
Ribs/shards of bone poke through loincloths and the ponytail.
The helmets are pretty much identical to the above pic, but with lumps/gems over the ears/temples.
From behind the helmets look exactly like eldar guardian ones.
There is a gem/soulstone on the left chest armour- not the shoulder armour piece as per the above pic.
This is where you have to use your imagination as the pic doesn't show it: On the back there is a backpack that looks like it started as an eldar backpack but does not stick out as far, has vestigal 'vanes' compared to the eldar one (so doesn't stick up above the shoulder) and most excellently down the centre of the backpack, it is recessed with scaled armour over the spine (triangular scales with points downwards)
A high collar that flanges out
Rifle is almost exactly the same as the pic for the base model, even down to the jagged bit that pokes up in front of the warriors abdomen in the pic. There is a variant with what looks to be crossbow arms sticking out laterally (ends up looking like a mini anchor)
Attachable Loincloths (variable designs) One has a skull, one a hook on them.
As per the pic, greaves over the lower legs, then knee pads and scales over the upper legs, with points upwards.
Knife scabbard, 2 'rods' and 2 small sachels on the 'utility belt' posteriorly
Blades of differing lengths and size on various armour parts, primarily lower legs and shoulder pads.
Curved knife HW available.
Attachable blades for the end of splinter rifle.
Harry said that this pic is an early concept that has changed since then a bit.
Three more pieces of art:
Concerning rules:
Harlequins are in, Avatar not so much.
Talos will be bigger and have more variants, so probably will be a later plastic kit (<- rumour by Frgt/10 ).
Yakface wrote:I have, from a very reliable source, that these rumors are a bit wrong.
The actual stats are as follows:
All poisons are 4+
Splinter Rifle 24" SX, AP5, Rapid Fire, Poisoned.
Splinter Carbine 18" SX, AP5, Assault 3, Poisoned.
Splinter Cannon 36" SX, AP5, Assault 4, or Heavy 6 Poisoned.
Spllinter Pods are an underslung weapon for the Hellions, essentially similar to the carbine.
reds8n wrote:I did hear something odd t'other week about them having "special" poisoned weapons -- at least fluff wise -- which had a normal S score but then got a reroll to wound. Poisoned lite I guess ? *shrugs* Not terribly convinced by that, not least as Mr. Kelly -- bless him -- tends to stick more to existing USRs and the like.
The news in this post is the confirmation by Harry, that 5 of the 6 plastic boxes in November are: Warriors, Wyches, Raider, Ravager (separate kit) and Hellions.
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Post by: Sarigar
Hellions. That is the one unit I've never seen on the tabletop. Hopefully, the new rules will remedy this as they were a neat model that nobody bothered with.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Cannot freaking wait actually. I was so nonplussed by them in 3rd edition, but Kroothawk's threads have me more than a bit excited for this!
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Post by: Scrazza
I can't wait for GW to re release them. I played them a couple of times. The codex need an update sooner or later.
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Post by: Leggy
Hellions plastic box set? I did NOT see that coming.
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Post by: gremmie0
Must.... See.... Models... We're supposed to get the first peek soon, no? I might want a new army of poisonous space pirates.
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Post by: Alpharius
The last thread was closed for a reason, and that reason is OFF TOPIC rambling.
So, you know...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Alpharius wrote:The last thread was closed for a reason, and that reason is OFF TOPIC rambling.
So, you know...
First off topic post in this thread 
... and hopefully the last 
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Post by: Scrazza
gremmie0 wrote:. We're supposed to get the first peek soon, no?
GW will probably print a piece of artwork concerning the arrival of the new dark eldar on the last page of a White dwarf someday.
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Post by: bhsman
I was surprised they went with Hellions over new jetbikes, but those being the 6th kit wouldn't surprise me, nor would a plastic Talos.
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Post by: nerdfest09
What do hellions look like? can't recall them
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Post by: Kroothawk
No, wait
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440235a&prodId=prod1050234
BTW, an official announcement is expected this weekend. Pics maybe GD UK or when preorders are up.
Another tidbit by Frgt/10, who is usually well informed:
the 6th kit is jetbikes from what i know and have heard
Incubi and mandrakes are almost certainly the METAL boxes (both are 100% metal models) with the HQs and special characters filling in the blister slots
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Post by: Scrazza
I rather like the current Helion models. I hope they won't change them that much.
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Post by: Mahu
Dark Eldar, along with most of the models for the DE where released in 1998.
To give you an example of how long ago that was. Armaggedon by Micheal Bay was the top grossing film, followed shortly by Saving Private Ryan, and the Godzilla remake. Jaden Smith, star of the Karate Kid Remake was born.
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Post by: ProtoClone
I am happy to see DE will get Harlequins as an option.
Here is to hoping for a good release.
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Post by: Alpharius
 WTF guys? Seriously. STOP POSTING OFF TOPIC CRAP IN THIS THREAD. IF we really are about to get 'official' news of Dark Eldar releases THIS WEEKEND, let's try and keep this thread alive? FINAL WARNING. After this, OT posts will be deleted and the offenders will be punished. Thanks!
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Post by: Fishboy
Looking forward to putting harlies into an open topped fast skimmer hehe.
Has anyone been able to confirm anything about the Talos or did i just miss the post?
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Post by: Lysenis
Ohhh new army! I have to play agaainst them to see how I would like them.
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Post by: Scrazza
they are not a new army, they are just updated.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Scrazza wrote:they are not a new army, they are just updated.
Considering that not a single old model will be returning, I'd basically call it a new army.
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Post by: Scrazza
^
point taken.
I hope that someday they will update Asdubael vect. I just hope they do it in plastic.
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Post by: Alpharius
Scrazza wrote:^
point taken.
I hope that someday they will update Asdubael vect. I just hope they do it in plastic.
A special character in plastic?
Not going to happen.
Best to hope for a "Dark Eldar Lord" kit, similar to the SM Captain version...
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Post by: Scrazza
meh. It was worth hoping for. The vect model is just 1 big lump of metal.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
hopefully the solitar will be in the DE codex, that would be awesome on crack. maybe the special kit will be the raven... ah a man can dream
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Post by: Scrazza
what's the solitar?
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Fishboy wrote:Looking forward to putting harlies into an open topped fast skimmer hehe.
Has anyone been able to confirm anything about the Talos or did i just miss the post?
There were hints on Warseer coming Frgt/10 I believe that suggested Talos would get multiple options a'la Trygon, which would (or rather could) mean a plastic kit.
Scrazza wrote:what's the solitar?
Solitaire. Whether he meant a Harlequin dude with weird dressing taste or a tapeworm is unknown.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Scrazza wrote:what's the solitar?
Solitaire - the member of a Harlequin Troupe who plays the part of Slaanesh, or she Who Thirsts. The only one not wearing a soul stone, and whose soul must be tricked out of Slaanesh's hands by the Laughing God or suffer eternal torment.
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Post by: Scrazza
^
thanks for the enlightenment.
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Post by: ThirdUltra
What about the Talos...?
Will that be a wave 1.5 or 2 release, possibly in plastic or are they going to continue the model in metal?
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Post by: Popsicle
Scottywan82 wrote:Scrazza wrote:what's the solitar?
Solitaire - the member of a Harlequin Troupe who plays the part of Slaanesh, or she Who Thirsts. The only one not wearing a soul stone, and whose soul must be tricked out of Slaanesh's hands by the Laughing God or suffer eternal torment.
So... I don't understand why that'd be Dark Eldar? Aren't the Harlequins a Craftworld Eldar Unit?
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Post by: Scrazza
yeah, Dark eldar aren't Dark if there are Craftworld eldar units in its codex.
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Post by: generalgrog
Harlequins aren't craftworld or dark. They are like mercenaries.
GG
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Post by: Alpharius
Harlequins follow their own agenda, and as such are NOT limited to the "good" Eldar.
"Good", of course, being relative.
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Post by: Scrazza
well I do hope the harlequins are the only odd unit they going to include in the new codex.
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Post by: Gwar!
1) Gongrats on 11k Posts Alphy. Maybe one day you will have as many as me. 2) Harlequins are one of the five "main" branches of the Eldar (Craftworld, "Dark", Exodites and Crone being the other 4). They reside within the webway like the Dark Eldar and guard the Black Library of Chaos. They serve Cegorach, The Laughing God, and travel from Craftworld to Maiden World and even to Commorragh as mercenaries and to perform The Dance Without End, which details the Fall of the Eldar Race. 3) Dark Eldar were my first ever army and I am so happy to see them updated. We should be seeing peeks in WD if the rumours are to be belived.
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Post by: CaptKaruthors
I can't wait. This fall will be awesome. I'm looking forward to pwning people with DE again.
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Post by: Scrazza
back when I played them, (half a year ago) i used to pwn others with my dark eldar. 3 games and 3 wins baby!
Any ideas on any new special rules?
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Post by: Fiend
When I started 40k less than a year ago, I really wanted DE, but I assumed they were going to die out and started SM instead. Now I'm re-excited for DE. I'm looking forward to some pictures. I like all the poisoned weapons. Is it too soon to start a second army?
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Post by: Scrazza
people might want to buy some boxes of the old dark eldar warriors. Before GW raises they're prices just like they did with imperial guardsmen. before,You could buy 20 cadians in a box. Now you only get ten, it halved, but the price did not halve. Thus Imperial guard have gotten more expensive.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
gremmie0 wrote:Must.... See.... Models....
Indeed.
Where are pics?
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Post by: wuestenfux
Can't wait to see some more news.
DE and BT were my first armies. I fought so many battles with them.
I promise to take them from the shelve.
After all, I own 10 Hellions.
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Post by: bhsman
Scottywan82 wrote:Scrazza wrote:what's the solitar?
Solitaire - the member of a Harlequin Troupe who plays the part of Slaanesh, or she Who Thirsts. The only one not wearing a soul stone, and whose soul must be tricked out of Slaanesh's hands by the Laughing God or suffer eternal torment.
Mostly right; technically no Harlequins wear Soulstones, since they believe so strongly that Cegorach will save their souls at death. Everything else is correct.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Scrazza wrote:people might want to buy some boxes of the old dark eldar warriors. Before GW raises they're prices just like they did with imperial guardsmen. before,You could buy 20 cadians in a box. Now you only get ten, it halved, but the price did not halve. Thus Imperial guard have gotten more expensive.
Yeah, but the old Dark Eldar warriors were hideous and I don't wish their sculpts upon any mortal.
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Post by: Eldar Own
Awesome! I have no desire to start a DE army but it's nice for DE players everywhere that they're finally getting an upgrade! Just necrons left now....
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Post by: Samus_aran115
What's the 'special item'?
Is it like a book? Or a new slave set? We need more slaves in 40k
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Post by: Kanluwen
It's probably a S&M styled mask to let you really "get into the spirit" of playing Dark Eldar.
Or an army box/Apocalypse styled deal. Those usually come out around November/December.
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Post by: Phototoxin
BTW, an official announcement is expected this weekend.
That's what I hear from my 'contacts' lol
However they could as easily have been reading this..
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Post by: Kanluwen
Definitely thinking that I'm going to be looking forward to book for the fluff, if only to see if Dark Eldar are going from wanton, psychotic killers to being more the "Dark Elves" to the Eldar's "High Elves" feel in 40k.
Meaning:
The "darker majesty" against the whole "shining beacon" feel going on for both races.
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Post by: Alpharius
Alpharius wrote:The last thread was closed for a reason, and that reason is OFF TOPIC rambling.
So, you know...
WAS THAT REALLY NOT CLEAR ENOUGH?
Really?
OT posts deleted, warnings sent.
Next time, it is suspensions.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Labor day weekend? Makes sense, I guess, but I won't hold my breath.
inb4 troll person is wrong?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Uh, we know exactly who the sculptor is.
It's Jes Goodwin. He confirmed that years ago. So that's not news.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
Eldar Own wrote:Awesome! I have no desire to start a DE army but it's nice for DE players everywhere that they're finally getting an upgrade! Just necrons left now....
necrons and inquisition are left from 3rd edition, chaos, dark angels and black templar are left from 4th. either way i hope we still get those tasty 2+ invulnerable saves and maybe a new vehicle
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Post by: Casper
Kroothawk wrote:
Another tidbit by Frgt/10, who is usually well informed:
the 6th kit is jetbikes from what i know and have heard
Incubi and mandrakes are almost certainly the METAL boxes (both are 100% metal models) with the HQs and special characters filling in the blister slots
While I like the Jetbikes in plastic I'm surprised that Incubi are staying metal (instead of getting a fancy kits like Nobz, DC etc). Perhaps I'm mistaken but aren't they one of the most iconic units in the range?
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Post by: Sarigar
Not sure if I'd call them iconic, but they were one of the very few models that didn't suck in the DE range.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Casper wrote:Kroothawk wrote:
Another tidbit by Frgt/10, who is usually well informed:
the 6th kit is jetbikes from what i know and have heard
Incubi and mandrakes are almost certainly the METAL boxes (both are 100% metal models) with the HQs and special characters filling in the blister slots
While I like the Jetbikes in plastic I'm surprised that Incubi are staying metal (instead of getting a fancy kits like Nobz, DC etc). Perhaps I'm mistaken but aren't they one of the most iconic units in the range?
It is odd that Incubi are staying metal rather than becoming plastic.
Although I guess it's possible that they'll be something fielded only in small numbers, or maybe fielded as a one or two model "attachment" to standard Dark Eldar units?
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Post by: Mastiff
Samus_aran115 wrote:phantommaster wrote:My GW store guy, says he knows a sculpture (not saying who) who is working on the models, he says they look great after the sculptures wife showed them to him. (unbeknown to the sculpture!!! And not even the other scultures are APPARENTLY allowed a peek). This guy is reliable and loves DE after blurting out all this saying he can't wait.
Wonderful, not a single fact in your post! Troll somewhere else.
Not true. We learned that sculptures can have wives.
Anyways, I'm pleased to hear about the Hellions, and hope they don't bother with jet bikes (but allowing players with the models to sub them for Hellions). Anything that differentiates the DE from their less-spikey kin is good.
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Post by: necrongod
i cant wait! im hoping that this codex will actually HAVE some fluff in it
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Post by: The Night Stalker
A DE revamp would really help me out because I could finally dust off my brothers unused models and work on a DE force. These are some things I would like to see
-A plastic lord kit with options.
-plastic talos with different gun options
-better looking wyches (no more trans-gender hermaphrodite looking things)
- a better hamonculus model
-Incubi as an elites choice.
-warp beasts as fast attack
-wyches as troops
-redone heroes.
-a reason to field hellions
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Post by: ThePhish
I actually mentioned this in the previous thread shortly before it was closed. I was on miniaturemarket's website yesterday. You have to download their price sheet. In the Dark Eldar section it says, "GW Is currently Out-of-Stock on most of it's Dark Eldar range. Check back regularly for upcoming preorders!". I, being a DE player, automatically assume that it could only mean "new" stuff, since they wouldn't pre-order old models.... maybe? I don't know if it means anything or not.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Harlequins are the Guardians of the Black Library (stroing the Eldar's knowledge on Chaos) and therefore a neutral Eldar fraction. They are known to perform their "shows" on Craftworlds AND before Dark Eldar. The Solitaire was maybe the best single close combat monster in 2nd edition, when you could field a legal Harlequin army of maybe 20 models ... and win
I added the Talos rumours to the first post.
necrongod wrote:i cant wait! im hoping that this codex will actually HAVE some fluff in it
Seconded, so seconded
And non-rushed miniatures by Jes Goodwin!
Samus_aran115 wrote:What's the 'special item'?
Is it like a book? Or a new slave set? We need more slaves in 40k
Nobody knows, can be anything. Was only deduced by the number code. Only known 40 special item is the Ork resin barricade set.
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Post by: Ktulhut
I remember someone posting this and suggesting that there was a hellion in the image, below and behind the raider. Then it was realised to be a warrior/similar jumping off. Well, I'd like to point out that there is in fact a hellion in the image, a few inches to the left of the "dropping warrior":
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Post by: Kroothawk
It was me who suggested this a time ago, and I was thinking of the surfer in front of the second Raider on the left.
I also suggested that the Dark Eldar in front with the cc weapons might be the new Wyches or Mandrakes.
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Post by: Gargskull
Really impressive first wave of models from the sounds of things, I'm not interested in playing DE but I am looking forward to seeing the Wyches, Raider and Hellions. Wyches could be good for starting an Escher gang, the Hellions I'm hoping could be used to make some Green Goblin style Stormboyz and I've just always liked the Raider. 
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Post by: Jackal
Just a shot in the dark here, but an idea:
Hellions arent the most common unit, so a plastic set for them seems weird (not going to go against whats been said, i trust it)
You would think bikes would also be confirmed 100% as common as they are (and out-dated)
Whats the odds you get the parts in said box to make 3 hellions or 3 jetbikes?
Or has it been confirmed to be just a hellion box?
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Post by: AlexHolker
Gargskull wrote:Really impressive first wave of models from the sounds of things, I'm not interested in playing DE but I am looking forward to seeing the Wyches, Raider and Hellions. Wyches could be good for starting an Escher gang, the Hellions I'm hoping could be used to make some Green Goblin style Stormboyz and I've just always liked the Raider.
I expect we'll be seeing quite a few people mixing and matching wych parts into their daemonettes, too. Since Slaanesh is the eldar's creation, it's even fluffy for them to have a family resemblance!
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Post by: Jackal
Alex: I cant wait to replace every single nette in my army with a decent model 
Finding the older sculpts (last edition ones) are near impossible.
Seekers are even harder to find, and generally sell for around the same price as a new box each lol.
Im thinking DE wych on one of the new cold ones - instant seeker.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
not that there was much doubt but looks like a Hellion to me
Glad the Harlequins are going to be in the codex, as the fluff makes them a very interesting outfit imho and would be very tempted to get some.
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Post by: Anpu42
Ûž Jack Ûž wrote:Hellions arent the most common unit, so a plastic set for them seems weird (not going to go against whats been said, i trust it)/quote]
At you should be getting them We Space Wolves are still waiting for out Riding Wolves
On the Subject, I hope that is what the new Raiders Look like, I need them for my Space Pierats.
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Post by: Ktulhut
Ûž Jack Ûž wrote:
Im thinking DE wych on one of the new cold ones - instant seeker.
This is also what I'm hoping for. I'm mightily sick of converting witch elves and sculpting another boob onto plastic daemonettes, and the current seekers don't do it for me.
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Post by: Phototoxin
hmm yon wyches may even do as 'handmaidens of khorne' rather than have to convert demonettes to khorne followers... *does mr burns pose* excellent...
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Post by: SpaceMonk
Sounds Awesome. Cannot wait. really looking forward to the new book!
It would be nice to see them do something with Helions rules wise as they need it.
I can just imagine a really monstrous and beefed up looking Talos...
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Post by: JOHIRA
If GW keeps up its history of making units that were unpopular because of crap models/rules powerful in order to sell plastic kits, I expect Hellions to get quite a boost.
Which is good, because I could never figure out what the point of them was. They weren't quite a Scourge and they weren't quite a jetbike, but occupied some strange place in the 'twain.
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Post by: Gutsnagga
I'm very sorry to all dark Eldar players here, but if your rumours are wrong (which there is only a tiny chance) and DE don't get more mini's very soon, i think GW should scrap 'em all together
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Post by: Kroothawk
Gutsnagga wrote:I'm very sorry to all dark Eldar players here, but if your rumours are wrong (which there is only a tiny chance) and DE don't get more mini's very soon, i think GW should scrap 'em all together
Enjoy the last few days of saying "Dark Eldar surely will be squatted!"
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Post by: Erasoketa
Kroothawk wrote:Gutsnagga wrote:I'm very sorry to all dark Eldar players here, but if your rumours are wrong (which there is only a tiny chance) and DE don't get more mini's very soon, i think GW should scrap 'em all together
Enjoy the last few days of saying "Dark Eldar surely will be squatted!"
I really really hope you are right. I need the new codex soo badly...
I still think that I'm buying only the codex, and if any release is limited, I would probably buy it too. But I won't replace my minis. I'll make my army bigger with time. I'm not making a compulsive shopping.
I hope lol
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Post by: Sarigar
If only they'd have teased us with some pics at GD Baltimore. I'm hoping something comes out of the upcoming UK GD (that is happening this month/next month?)
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Post by: AlexHolker
Sarigar wrote:I'm hoping something comes out of the upcoming UK GD (that is happening this month/next month?)
According to the last thread, the official announcement of the new Dark Eldar will be at the UK GD.
I just want to know whether the Wyches will be a 100% female sprue, so I know whether I want to buy them or not.
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Post by: Erasoketa
Sarigar wrote:If only they'd have teased us with some pics at GD Baltimore. I'm hoping something comes out of the upcoming UK GD (that is happening this month/next month?)
I think UK GD is taking place during the last week of September this year.
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Post by: Phototoxin
But now that it is september won't we hear in a news letter
Also this art I thought it was old art?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
JOHIRA wrote:If GW keeps up its history of making units that were unpopular because of crap models/rules powerful in order to sell plastic kits, I expect Hellions to get quite a boost.
Like Chaos Possessed & Spawn did with their plastic kits?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
There's a difference between giving something a boost, and thinking that you're giving something a boost.
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Post by: wererat
ahh it warms the heart to see this thread. After seeing all the new, sexy special characters all the 5th edition book are getting, I can't wait to see what new special characters there will be! The rumour of new plastic hellions has got me giddy as I love hellions dearly but have never wanted to use them. Fingers crossed that some rule fixes will help.
I wonder if they'll get rid of all the combat drugs for wyches and upgrades. If so I'll miss overdosing on triple ones very much.
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Post by: Alkasyn
Are there actually any old sculpts of Dark Eldar that one would opt to use instead of the new ones? Just curious if it is worth bying anything on ebay for Dark Eldar or is it better to wait till new things are reaeased.
For me, they look much more interesting than the old sculpts.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Alkasyn wrote:Are there actually any old sculpts of Dark Eldar that one would opt to use instead of the new ones?
Well we don't know yet, as no one's seen the new ones.
But once the new ones are out, the old ones will be gone, so if there are any you want, get them now.
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Post by: Minsc
Alkasyn wrote:Are there actually any old sculpts of Dark Eldar that one would opt to use instead of the new ones? Just curious if it is worth bying anything on ebay for Dark Eldar or is it better to wait till new things are reaeased.
For me, they look much more interesting than the old sculpts.
Haven't seen any new ones yet, but the Incubi aren't bad models. Also, concerning GW's usual pricing habits, I wouldn't be surprised if the price looks something like 25-30% greater for the same amount of New!Incubi (provided there are any) as the old ones, so you wouldn't be losing much in that exchange money-wise. Of course, Incubi equipment could drastically change, which would be a good way for GW to discourage buying older models for cheaper (one of the things I'm, personally, thinking they'll do so that everyone who bought DEldar when they were $5-$10 less per-kit than other armies will suddenly find themselves buying new stuff and making up for their savings).
SX poison doesn't look quite right to me, as I'm having trouble thinking of many weapons besides Snipers that still work in such a fashion. Maybe a mean to prevent use against light vehicles (no more Splinter Cannon-spam gibbing light speeders / transports)?
Wonder how many things are going to drastically change, though. Combat drugs I expect will be one of a few things:
1) Random bonus determined ALA Possessed at the start of the game.
2) Set bonus' to the statline or a special rule (Ex: "All Dark Eldar with Combat Drugs gain the Furious Charge special rule" or something like that).
3) Gone / Special Character-only.
4) Still get to pick what it does (Yes, I do think this is less likely to happen than them being dropped overall / for a special character only).
Other things I'm interested in seeing is all the Leadership-bomb weaponry, how they'll manage to keep the Shadow Field at once useful and not overpowered, what's happening to stuff like Wych Weapons and the special Helms, and so on.
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Post by: Gwar!
I really hope they don't make the Poison Weapons SX. They did that Twice, and both times they have had to errata it.
You would thing the Proofreading Department would p... HAHAHA Sorry, couldn't say that with a straight face.
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Post by: necrongod
Ktulhut wrote:I remember someone posting this and suggesting that there was a hellion in the image, below and behind the raider. Then it was realised to be a warrior/similar jumping off. Well, I'd like to point out that there is in fact a hellion in the image, a few inches to the left of the "dropping warrior":
you guys do know this is a relitively old pice of art?
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Post by: Archonate
Yeah for some reason people love showing the DE art from the rulebook... But they always neglect that beautiful picture spread of The Port of Lost Souls, Gateway to Commorragh, which is by far the best DE piece to date, imo. Looks like a creepy underwater cave.
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Post by: Kroothawk
"People" post that pic from the rulebook, because it shows GW's current 5th edition view on Dark Eldar and I am certain, reveals the design of the new Raider, Warrior, Hellion and Wych/Mandrake. The Commorragh pic is fine, but doesn't reveal anything from the new miniature range.
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Post by: Archonate
For the satisfaction we get from explanations of the new warriors, it might as well be a depiction from the current range.
We all know DE are coming. But without pics, we can only get so excited.
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Post by: Brother SRM
AlexHolker wrote:
I just want to know whether the Wyches will be a 100% female sprue, so I know whether I want to buy them or not.
I'd be surprised if the kit wasn't interchangeable with the Warriors sprue. GW's gotten pretty wise about that and the potential for kitbashing is ridiculous these days.
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Post by: del'Vhar
Brother SRM wrote:AlexHolker wrote:
I just want to know whether the Wyches will be a 100% female sprue, so I know whether I want to buy them or not.
I'd be surprised if the kit wasn't interchangeable with the Warriors sprue. GW's gotten pretty wise about that and the potential for kitbashing is ridiculous these days.
That'd be pretty cool, kitbashing wyches to make female warriors could make for a decent force assuming it doesnt look ridiculous.
I'm hoping they make mandrakes useful, and like the idea of a Webway army
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Post by: Archonate
del'Vhar wrote:I'm hoping they make mandrakes useful,
Mandrakes are the unit I am most excited about... If the rumors about them are true, they will be much more widely used as a true Elite power unit.
I always thought they were a fantastic idea. 'The creepiest of the creepy. The predators of predators.' But they sucked in game and were not worth ballscratch, let alone their point cost. Almost as equally beyond worthless as Hellions.
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Post by: Red Corsair
I used to do quite well with Mandrakes back when you could double fire pistols and then assault, It was 50 strength three attacks essentially, if you placed them well and didn't need to move them the turn you revealed them. I killed an ork war-boss mounted on a bike with a 10 man unit of them once. It was narrow but memorable..... I am not suggesting they were a great unit, but i always had fun ambushing with them, it just took a bit of creativity and planning to use them to effect. I haven't played my dark eldar since 4th edition though, and that is because units like them took such a massive hit and I don't have much fun playing raider spam. I am really excited for the release but nervous that I will want to re-buy the new models haha.
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Post by: Noisy_Marine
I'm a bit surprised they aren't releasing a battle force immediately.
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Post by: Aduro
Brother SRM wrote:AlexHolker wrote:
I just want to know whether the Wyches will be a 100% female sprue, so I know whether I want to buy them or not.
I'd be surprised if the kit wasn't interchangeable with the Warriors sprue. GW's gotten pretty wise about that and the potential for kitbashing is ridiculous these days.
At one time it was said all the new Dark Eldar stuff will be interchangeable with the normal Eldar stuff.
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Post by: del'Vhar
Aduro wrote:Brother SRM wrote:AlexHolker wrote:
I just want to know whether the Wyches will be a 100% female sprue, so I know whether I want to buy them or not.
I'd be surprised if the kit wasn't interchangeable with the Warriors sprue. GW's gotten pretty wise about that and the potential for kitbashing is ridiculous these days.
At one time it was said all the new Dark Eldar stuff will be interchangeable with the normal Eldar stuff.
That would also be pretty cool.
A bit OT, but is it "common" for Eldar to become Dark Eldar anymore? Do they ever switch sides like the marines/guard do, or has that not happened since the Fall?
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Post by: Archonate
del'Vhar wrote:A bit OT, but is it "common" for Eldar to become Dark Eldar anymore? Do they ever switch sides like the marines/guard do, or has that not happened since the Fall?
They don't switch sides. They went their separate ways at The Fall. Eldar switching 'sides' would be like us switching nationalities. No matter how hard I try, I'll never be Mexican. In that regard, Eldar are pretty much the Mexicans of 40k. And Dark Eldar might sometimes wish they were Mexican, but that thought is fleeting, since there's nothing they can do to change it.
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Post by: nels1031
In Path of the Warrior, by Gav Thorpe,
I hope that the Mandrakes are as bad ass rules wise as they were in the second Word Bearers novel.
Looking forward to hearing news soon, but if not, life goes on!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Archonate wrote:del'Vhar wrote:A bit OT, but is it "common" for Eldar to become Dark Eldar anymore? Do they ever switch sides like the marines/guard do, or has that not happened since the Fall?
They don't switch sides. They went their separate ways at The Fall.
Eldar switching 'sides' would be like us switching nationalities.
Technically, the Exodites and Craftworlders made their choice prior to The Fall, choosing to abandon the hedonistic Eldar society decaying around them. The Crones had their choice made for them, simply being on the Crone Worlds at the time of The Fall. The Dark Eldar and Harlequins are not as clearly-defined, and should be fleshed out if/when a new Codex appears.
Eldar switching sides would be more like us switching among orthodox religions. It's theoretically doable, but it requires a major reorientation in one's worldview and lifestyle. That is, if you're a Roman Catholic, converting to Hasidic Judaism generally doesn't happen because the systems are designed to prevent this kind of thing.
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Post by: nels1031
Eldar switching sides would be more like us switching among orthodox religions.
But a craftworld eldar could probably say "screw this religion" and just give in to the desire for excess in his soul very easily. Like an Amish person coming to the big city and just letting his old life, and its limitaions go. I had always thought that craftworld outcasts were the only reliable way for the dark eldar to replenish their numbers, and I recall a short story in 3rd edition Eldar codex where a Farseer laments how so many of their youth fall off the path, year after year, which I assume means joining the Dark Eldar.
Anyway, probably want to steer this thread back OT!
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Post by: del'Vhar
NELS1031 wrote:
Anyway, probably want to steer this thread back OT!
Agree, thanks for answers all!
Apologies to the mods for the deviation 
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Post by: Emmel Eitch
del'Vhar wrote:A bit OT, but is it "common" for Eldar to become Dark Eldar anymore? Do they ever switch sides like the marines/guard do, or has that not happened since the Fall?
According to the 4th edition Eldar Codex, craftworld Eldar can come and go as they please. Even go to commorragh and come back. Once they're back, all is forgiven. It's not so much that there is a racial difference, as much as a way of life difference. There is a whole section on outcast Eldar in there, if you're interested.
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Post by: Alkasyn
Minsc wrote:Alkasyn wrote:Are there actually any old sculpts of Dark Eldar that one would opt to use instead of the new ones? Just curious if it is worth bying anything on ebay for Dark Eldar or is it better to wait till new things are reaeased.
For me, they look much more interesting than the old sculpts.
Haven't seen any new ones yet, but the Incubi aren't bad models. Also, concerning GW's usual pricing habits, I wouldn't be surprised if the price looks something like 25-30% greater for the same amount of New!Incubi (provided there are any) as the old ones, so you wouldn't be losing much in that exchange money-wise. Of course, Incubi equipment could drastically change, which would be a good way for GW to discourage buying older models for cheaper (one of the things I'm, personally, thinking they'll do so that everyone who bought DEldar when they were $5-$10 less per-kit than other armies will suddenly find themselves buying new stuff and making up for their savings).
SX poison doesn't look quite right to me, as I'm having trouble thinking of many weapons besides Snipers that still work in such a fashion. Maybe a mean to prevent use against light vehicles (no more Splinter Cannon-spam gibbing light speeders / transports)?
Wonder how many things are going to drastically change, though. Combat drugs I expect will be one of a few things:
1) Random bonus determined ALA Possessed at the start of the game.
2) Set bonus' to the statline or a special rule (Ex: "All Dark Eldar with Combat Drugs gain the Furious Charge special rule" or something like that).
3) Gone / Special Character-only.
4) Still get to pick what it does (Yes, I do think this is less likely to happen than them being dropped overall / for a special character only).
Other things I'm interested in seeing is all the Leadership-bomb weaponry, how they'll manage to keep the Shadow Field at once useful and not overpowered, what's happening to stuff like Wych Weapons and the special Helms, and so on.
Thanks, I was actually eyeing the Incubi with interest 
Cheers
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Post by: evilsponge
Congratulations GW you did it! I honestly thought 3D Realms would out last you guys and keep Duke Nukem Forever in development longer than Dark Eldar, but the plucky little miniatures company proved us all wrong! Suck it 3d realms we won! WE WON GUYS
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
DNF is coming out earlier than November?
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Post by: Xca|iber
I think he may just be referring to the actual announcement. GW hasn't announced anything about a DE Codex AFAIK.
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Post by: bhsman
Passive-aggressive nerds are the worst nerds.
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Post by: Skarboy
bhsman wrote:Passive-aggressive nerds are the worst nerds.
Are there other kinds of nerds now? The internet only amplifies the whining.
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Post by: evilsponge
bhsman wrote:Passive-aggressive nerds are the worst nerds.
It's you.
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Post by: Daemon-Archon Ren
While a plastic vect is probably expecting a bit much, I would love to see them put him on foot and make him more like the "badass archon" he should be.
Also, psychic powers would be nice (as well as better anti-psyker abilities).
Onto the Talos rumors, has anyone seen anything on what the new kit would look like? Moreso, any idea what kind of "customization" will be included with them (also, will they stay as MCs or be normal walkers with AV?).
Most importantly, has anyone heard anything about the removal of Combat Drugs (Wargear version, not Wych/Hellion/Jetbike etc) and Shadow Fields (as well as revamping Nightshields and Webway gates)?
Also, @ Evilsponge http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/09/03/see-duke-nukem-forever-revealed-maybe/ Gearbox (people who made Borderlands) picked it up, so its coming out as well.
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Post by: Skarboy
Vect should be an upgrade kit to a Raider/Ravager. Maybe he could get a foot model that can only disembark when his vehicle is wrecked. I kinda like him as the oddball unique character/vehicle hybrid that he is.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Vect on foot? Vect is Vect, riding around in his chauffeur driven limo with his gals and bodyguards, being seen. It's his thing and you can't expect him to do otherwise lest he be seen as uncool by the murderous tyrant community in which he is a major player.
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Post by: Savnock
I just hope they update the reclining-slavegirl figs from the Vect model. They're the material for many a hilarious conversion. Given the de-seximafying the daemonetts got, I'm guessing that sadly won't happen.
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Post by: ShanksD
Who wants 'sexy' minis?
Anyway, I welcome this news. I won't be starting a DE army, I just think it's wrong that they've been put aside for so many years while armies like SM and Orks and IM have seemed to dominate the 40K pages of WD. I like variety. So, new DE please and, next, the Necrons!
Funnily enough, WD227 is sat on my bedroom floor, just so happens to be the issue that was released alongside the original DE.
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Post by: bhsman
evilsponge wrote:bhsman wrote:Passive-aggressive nerds are the worst nerds.
It's you.
But then I would've said 'best' instead.
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Post by: Daemon-Archon Ren
BrassScorpion wrote:Vect on foot? Vect is Vect, riding around in his chauffeur driven limo with his gals and bodyguards, being seen. It's his thing and you can't expect him to do otherwise lest he be seen as uncool by the murderous tyrant community in which he is a major player.
Have you read any of his fluff? Outside of Dawn of War, the Dais is actually more contradictory to his whole "I'll tear your lungs out while you beg for your life" motif.
He should be more like a "Ragnar Blackmane" type character (giving army/unit wide buffs) and they should just make some sort of Pask-like character upgrade for Ravagers that would use his old model. (Or something)
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
ShanksD wrote:Who wants 'sexy' minis?
i do... i miss the old deamonettes
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Post by: AlexHolker
Savnock wrote:I just hope they update the reclining-slavegirl figs from the Vect model. They're the material for many a hilarious conversion. Given the de-seximafying the daemonetts got, I'm guessing that sadly won't happen.
Three words.
Plastic. Slave. Sprue.
GW would make millions!
ShanksD wrote:Who wants 'sexy' minis?
Tell you what: you stay with your ascetic superhuman monks and we'll worry about the "sexy" minis.
The less faction-unique armour they're wearing, the easier they'll be to convert for use elsewhere. If the plastic Wyches are all female and don't look like ass, I'll be buying some to convert into Eschers, or maybe even Repentia.
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Post by: Kirasu
Oh Im sure wyches will be female bodies and .. horse faces. Just like the female high elf mages.
I dont know what females GW uses as inspiration for their models.. but theyre not the kind that gamers dream about thats for sure (Unless you dream about horse faces)
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Post by: AlexHolker
Kirasu wrote:Oh Im sure wyches will be female bodies and .. horse faces. Just like the female high elf mages.
Jes Goodwin will not fail us... will he?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Kirasu wrote:Oh Im sure wyches will be female bodies and .. horse faces. Just like the female high elf mages.
I dont know what females GW uses as inspiration for their models.. but theyre not the kind that gamers dream about thats for sure (Unless you dream about horse faces)
Presumably it's all beauty talent local to GW HQ in Nottingham, England, UK... Automatically Appended Next Post: AlexHolker wrote:Kirasu wrote:Oh Im sure wyches will be female bodies and .. horse faces. Just like the female high elf mages.
Jes Goodwin will not fail us... will he?
Jes sculpted the original Sisters of Battle, the original Howling Banshees, the original Harlequins, and the Escher hive gangers for Necroumunda. They should at least be OK.
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Post by: Durzod
I fear the addition of Harlequins to the Dark Eldar. They'll relegate Wyches to second rate status. If anything is iconic to the Dark Eldar it's the Wyches. Unless Harlies are limited to 0-1, or have some other army restriction to taking them I see them taking over for Wyches. Unless Wyches get a special rule that allows them to consolidate/sweep into HtH (which they desperately need), which really fits into their supposed role as close combat masters.
Hellions as plastics? Gotta mean they're adjusting them to be worth taking (or so cheap points-wise that you don't mind losing them).
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Harlies would be non-scoring Elites; Wyches would be Scoring Troops. Simple as that.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kirasu wrote:Oh Im sure wyches will be female bodies and .. horse faces. Just like the female high elf mages.
I dont know what females GW uses as inspiration for their models.. but theyre not the kind that gamers dream about thats for sure (Unless you dream about horse faces)
May I present Her Royal Highness:
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Post by: Destrado
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Jes sculpted the original Sisters of Battle, the original Howling Banshees, the original Harlequins, and the Escher hive gangers for Necroumunda. They should at least be OK.
Besides laying down the plans (and sculpting in 1998) nearly all the plastic SM line, a lot of the Eldar line, etc.
He's got a distinctive style and he's amongst GW top sculptor (besides being the oldest one there). If someone can make a drop dead gorgeous miniature, it's Jes. The reason I'm so excited (no pun intented) about DE is the fact that this man can do to any army what Brian Nelson did to the Orks (let's not talk about the SM Scout heads, that wasn't Brian's field anyway).
I also point you to this, http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/208658.page , where you can check out the work Jes has been putting out, sketch-wise. I think it's an interesting look at how his drawings often translate to balanced miniatures.
All the miniatures you mentioned were sculpted in the early/mid 1990's. I'm at a loss to find some more recent female sculpts, but we have the Cold One Knights (female enough? ) from the Dark Elf line.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=cat440050a&pIndex=1&aId=9600006&start=2
I rest assured my next army will be Dark Eldar.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Kirasu wrote:Oh Im sure wyches will be female bodies and .. horse faces. Just like the female high elf mages.
I dont know what females GW uses as inspiration for their models.. but theyre not the kind that gamers dream about thats for sure (Unless you dream about horse faces)
dude, the company IS British... hmmm...
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Post by: TsarNikolai
As long as they look "elfish" i don't really care. Dark elves in Space
Now begs the question DE or wait for a New CSM codex?
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Watch it them Notts lasses are alright
The sculptors are chained to their benches and never see a woman. All they have for reference are the dwindling memories of their own dear mothers.
That, added to thrice sized heroic scale heads is a recipe for a miniature guaranteed to scare the horses.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Lol, you mean professional mini sculptors don't automatically get the babes?????
I find that hard to believe.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Sadly for them no
Have you never seen the T-shirt slogan:
Mini sculptors do it with Greenstuff!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Watch it them Notts lasses are alright
I live in SoCal, and reasonably suspect we have more attractive women than all Blighty combined.
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Post by: ShanksD
JohnHwangDD wrote:Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Watch it them Notts lasses are alright
I live in SoCal, and reasonably suspect we have more attractive women than all Blighty combined.
That's purely opinion.
EDIT: As in, personal preference. Now, I've never been to California (I'm assuming that's what SoCal means) but going off of what I've seen on TV and movies and the like... you can keep 'em.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
JohnHwangDD wrote:
I live in SoCal, and reasonably suspect we have more attractive women than all Blighty combined.
Only coz lots of our loverly lasses were taken away as slaves by the naughty SoCal Dark Eldar Raiders :(
(see how I cleverly kept it on topic)
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Post by: plastictrees
Millions of British women die a little inside knowing that several wargamers consider them un-attractive.
And another Dark Eldar rumour thread crashes into the sun.
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Post by: johnstewartjohn
Come on. grow up please. Maybe get back on topic?
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Post by: Leggy
Reecius wrote:ShanksD wrote:
That's purely opinion.
EDIT: As in, personal preference. Now, I've never been to California (I'm assuming that's what SoCal means) but going off of what I've seen on TV and movies and the like... you can keep 'em.
Sorry bro, but that there is fact!
There are plenty of beautiful English girls, no doubt (Liz Hurley, Jordan),
The fact you consider a plastic surgery catastrophe like Jordan as beautiful auto-proves ShanksD's argument. I would've accepted Kelly brook, or Gemma Arterton, or Cheryl Cole, but If Jordan is comparable to the ideal Californian beauty then your opinion of beauty is WAY different to mine
I do agree that a lot of inner city British girls let themselves go a bit (Too many fast food joints I reckon). However get yourself to the British countryside and you'll find some absolute stunners. I live in a market town with enough 9's and 10's to start up my own modelling agency.
I love my life
Anyway, Back to the models. I'm hearing about 2 new Ravager varients. The Rampage, and the Slaughter. Are these simply different weapon fits, like the predator Annihilator and destructor, or are they crazy badass new tanks like the Deathstrike was?
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Sounds interesting though the names are naff.
Dark Elf tanks would be good ie not made out of paper, but keep the speed of course!
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Post by: Reecius
@plastictrees haha, too true. I'm sure ladies around the world wait with baited breath to hear the geek crowd's opinion of them! @johnstewartjohn Yes, let's all grow up and start talking about toys again! @JohnHwang Hahaha, that was mean, but funny as hell! @Leggy You got me there. Not everyone likes the Pam Anderson look, but plastic surgery is so common here. For us to see a girl with cosmetic surgery is nothing to even bat an eye at, it's normal. But, Jordan is hot to me, no question. As for actual Dark Eldar rumors, I can say with 100% certainty that the new Warrior models are bad ass. I can't say how I know this, but I do know it. I have heard through the grapevine that the Wyches are wearing full body latex suits as well. I can't wait for this book. A race that says, yup, the galaxy is gong to hell. But you know what? feth it. We're gonna rock out and go down in a blaze of hedonistic glory! I like that!
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Post by: poipo32
Kirasu wrote:
I dont know what females GW uses as inspiration for their models.. but theyre not the kind that gamers dream about thats for sure (Unless you dream about horse faces)
That'd be Sarah Jessica Parker.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Never mind the quality feel the width
Can someone wake me up when there is some DE news please?
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Post by: Tresson
AlexHolker wrote:Savnock wrote:I just hope they update the reclining-slavegirl figs from the Vect model. They're the material for many a hilarious conversion. Given the de-seximafying the daemonetts got, I'm guessing that sadly won't happen.
Three words.
Plastic. Slave. Sprue.
GW would make millions!
ShanksD wrote:Who wants 'sexy' minis?
Tell you what: you stay with your ascetic Homoerotic superhuman monks and we'll worry about the "sexy" minis.
The less faction-unique armour they're wearing, the easier they'll be to convert for use elsewhere. If the plastic Wyches are all female and don't look like ass, I'll be buying some to convert into Eschers, or maybe even Repentia.
Fixed that for you.
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Post by: Sal4m4nd3r
There are pretty gils in every part of the world ...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
Anyways...I heard from a black shirt friend that UK gamesday annoucment is the dark eldar codex annoucment.
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Post by: Daemon-Archon Ren
Alpharius will destroy this thread... (unless he has already suffered a fatal aneurysm)
In other news, I know I could probably just look this up... but when is GD UK? Are there anyother events in which more DE info may be officially announced on-or-around that date and has anyone gotten any emails like from the Daemons Wave stuff (I have not, but I'm on the US side of things)
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Post by: Leggy
Games day is on the 26th. Unless we're very lucky I doubt this thread will be of any use to anyone until then.
@Mr Mystery: Thanks for the spellcheck (now edited).
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Post by: Fishboy
Like Fergie, the bottom half of her picture (below the neckline) is far nicer than the top half (buttaface).
She has a face? I didn't initially notice...however once you pointed it out I was impressed she still had all her teeth hehe.
Initially I was disapointed this was so far OT....then the pics cheered me up hehe.
If anyone is going to GD UK PLEASE take pics and a means to post ASAP!!!
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Post by: AdeptSister
Please lets stay on topic.
I look forward to seeing the first sprues and rules. I hope that the codex will allow for multiple competitive army designs. I am liking that GW allowed all the recent codexes from being on trick ponies.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Do you mean that they were not one trick ponies, please,
Adeptus?
From what I understood of the old codex, sorry, current codex, there are various ways to run Dark Eldar.
From the few games I have had this boils down to a poor Wych run army, or a poor Warrior run army.
(Accepted that the general is pee poor )
I also found that the speed thing, rapid fire is in the fluff more than the game play. If they can do like you say and address these issues I will be happy.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Can we at least pretent being in a Dark Eldar rumour thread? 
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Post by: Oshova
Now On-Topic . . . Dark Eldar announced at Games Day . . . why can't I afford to go? ='[
I would love to be able to see those models, and get them posted up here for you guys. But sadly I will have to wait for internet news like everyone else.
Sadly I currently own over 3000 points of Dark Eldar and don't need much more. But the opportunity to create an all female army of murderous and sexy psycho women? Yes please!
Oshova
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Post by: Vrakk
Sadly I currently own over 3000 points of Dark Eldar and don't need much more. But the opportunity to create an all female army of murderous and sexy psycho women? Yes please!
Oshova
I could make this army if I can find a way to duplicate my wife.
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Post by: Oshova
You need lots of plaster of paris, a 3D scanner, some CAD software, and some CAM . . . then you're sorted! =D
Oshova
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Post by: Mannahnin
OT posts purged with fire and thread unlocked. The Moderati are self-sacrificing and beneficent.
No more sniping at other posters in here, and if you want to argue who has prettier girls, take it to OT.
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Post by: bhsman
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=12700005a
So having decided to attend Games Day, I set about finding out who and what else will be there - basically I wanted to know what cool stuff I could go and look at on my lunch break. I was particularly interested in what the Studio were taking, I'd heard rumour it was something never seen before. Now normally I can pass through the Studio without incident but this morning I found my way blocked by Studio pit bull Matt Toone. Now, just in case you think me a wimp for turning back at the first hurdle, I've taken a photo of Matt to illustrate his scariness.
So whatever's going on in the Studio its ultra hush-hush. But don't worry, I have a plan - at some point they'll have to move whatever it is from the Studio to a van and when they do I'll be waiting....
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Post by: ChiliPowderKeg
PRAISE BE TO THE GLORIOUS MODERATI!
Hmmm.... bhsman's post does bring up some interesting thoughts and raised eyebrows, but I call salt. I'd imagine by now the DE range would've already been finished by now and hidden away in a better location. I have to agree though that this Matt fellow does look intimidating with his pizza box heater shield
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Instead of purile blog posting about butch old toughs, and their Nazi salutes...
just say what's what and announce things!
Sorry but this is very disrespectful imho
All the energy put into secrecy could actaully be used positively to inform the customer what is happening with products.
I ain't going to buy twice as many codices just because it has been kept under wraps for twelve years then SURPRISE! looky here new shiney codex.
ooh giddy gum drops
clappy handses.
I do so like supwises
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Post by: Kroothawk
Small tidbit by Harry on the sculptors of the new Dark Eldar range:
There are a few others involved.
I am pretty sure I have heard Juan Diaz, Seb Perbett and Aly Morrison's names mentioned for starters.
Guess we will get the first official pics and info in 3 days on GD UK.
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Post by: UltraPrime
Kroothawk wrote:Small tidbit by Harry on the sculptors of the new Dark Eldar range:
There are a few others involved.
I am pretty sure I have heard Juan Diaz, Seb Perbett and Aly Morrison's names mentioned for starters.
Guess we will get the first official pics and info in 3 days on GD UK.
2 weeks early there.
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Post by: fett14622
@ heresy-online.net
bitsandkits
"I just got my updated order list and Dark eldar have all but gone from it only the battle force ,incubi and talos remain on the list everything else is gone including the codex.
So the clock has started ticking they are on the way, but bear in mind this happened with the Sisters and Deamon hunters months ago"
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Post by: Bleednomore
I tired ordering some stuff for my DE as well, couldn't find anything that wasn't discontinued....GW seems to be the only site that even has DE stocked presently.
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Post by: Whatever1
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Instead of purile blog posting about butch old toughs, and their Nazi salutes...
just say what's what and announce things!
Sorry but this is very disrespectful imho
All the energy put into secrecy could actaully be used positively to inform the customer what is happening with products.
I ain't going to buy twice as many codices just because it has been kept under wraps for twelve years then SURPRISE! looky here new shiney codex.
ooh giddy gum drops
clappy handses.
I do so like supwises
You do realize that whining ad nauseum about GW using a tried and true marketing strategy isn't going to get them to change it,right? I'm sorry if you feel it's "disrespectful" for GW not to tell you all their plans/projects months ahead of time,but if you consider that "disrespectful",then you must feel disrespected by just about company on the face of the earth.
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Post by: Kirasu
Rise up citizens and take the reins of production for yourselves! Do not be shackled by the iron chains of games workshop and their capitalist "release schedule"
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Sorry if my disgust should offend the delicate sensibilities of the sychophanboyz.
then you must feel disrespected by just about company on the face of the earth.
Funny but Tamiya have just announced their release schedule for the month and new releases to the end of year will be at a show early October. So yeah, I feel that every other company is being disrespectful of their customer base.
The reverse is true. GW are the only company I can think off that behaves this way.
TBH I am not overly concerned whether or not DE gets sorted out or not. I am not overly concerned that they are being disrespctful to me. What pees me off is that they have been pulling the wool over eyes from people like yourself who seem to have very little practical wordly wisdom, but far more so that there are people on this forum that have been stitched over year in year out waiting for a much needed revamp for there armies. GW was perfectly happy taking the cash off gamers for their army, which got screwed over.
So yeah I feel like whinging again and again when I see apologists making fallacious statements defending the indefensible.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Please move your off topic discussion to your own thread. This one is about Dark Eldar news & rumours.
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Post by: plastictrees
Maybe if we start a thread called "Who lives nearest the most hot tail and how GW is screwing you by not releasing some model you want" we'll get some Dark Eldar rumours.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
With due respect Kroothawk, what news? What rumours?
My gripe was that there was a link with no news but some nonsense regarding sneaking around the GW offices. How is that more valid than a questioning of GW's non news?
That sneaking around may have bugger all to do with Dark Eldar releases. That hardly seems On Topic.
I am complaining that there is no news, when there is no reason for there to be none.
I was also pointing out that other companies don't fart around with cloak and daggers but do indeed release schedules.
As far as I am concerned that was the end of it, and I apologise to John Hwang who it seems was correct after all.
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Post by: Archonate
All we need is a person on the inside willing to take the fall for leaking DE pics before GD UK. They'd actually be doing GW a favor.
Every day that passes without DE news, GWs popularity dies a little bit more with the people looking forward to the release.
Once upon a time I planned to buy a couple thousand dollars worth of new DE stuff. At this point, I might get the codex. If I have to wait much longer, I'll forget about 40k entirely. That's just what happens when fans are kept in the dark for so long about what's going on. Nature takes it's course and people move on to better things.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
@Archonate: I'm sure GW has more than made it up in additional Space Marines sales...
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Post by: Kirasu
I doubt GW is very scared of the 13 DE players walking away..
If GW is smart they'll make the DE kits compatible with the Eldar kits so they'll actually cross sell boxes to a large play group (Like.. space marines which is their best selling range!)
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Kirasu wrote:I doubt GW is very scared of the 13 DE players walking away..
If GW is smart they'll make the DE kits compatible with the Eldar kits so they'll actually cross sell boxes to a large play group (Like.. space marines which is their best selling range!)
I find it very amusing that the vocal DE player / would-be-player-if- GW-only-did-an-update / would-be-player-if- GW-only-did-an-update-by-Jes-Goodwin-and-Phil-Kelly won't actually buy when it's possibly finally going to be "put up or shut up" time... Perhaps this kind of thing truly vindicates GW's decision not to have bothered updating the model range in the previous several years, nor releasing new models. And, of course, this sets further precedent for no Lost and the Damned nor other stuff which used to have lists, but now isn't supported. Nice job.
As far as compatibility goes, the old DE Warriors were Guardian-compatible. But please, let's not have GW make 8-part DE Warriors, just because they can...
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Post by: OmniRemix
Kirasu wrote:I doubt GW is very scared of the 13 DE players walking away..
And the WH players..
And the DH players..
And the Necron players..
And the Tau players..
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Post by: plastictrees
OmniRemix wrote:Kirasu wrote:I doubt GW is very scared of the 13 DE players walking away..
And the WH players..
And the DH players..
And the Necron players..
And the Tau players..
All of whom have had their entire modern ranges created in the last eight(?) years (with the exception of Sisters). They really have nothing to be whining about. Nobody gets the update schedule that marines get, deal with it.
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Post by: OmniRemix
Eight years is.. uh kind of a long time dude.
We shouldn't have to "deal with it". Man, GW has their hands deep in you people's pockets.
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Post by: plastictrees
I just don't get what people are actually complaining about. All the armies you listed have almost entirely full ranges, the non inquisitor ones heavily represented in plastic kits.
What cycle for a full range overhaul would be acceptable to you?
And the DE rumour thing? I think it's stupid of them to not foster an online community with sneak peaks etc. but I don't think it's _insulting_ to the consumer. That's just internet hyperbole. GW could argue that they're saving the big announcement for people that paid to go to UK Games Day (assuming anything happens there), or that things just weren't ready yet.
Also, you have turned into a robot.
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Post by: Archonate
JohnHwangDD wrote:I find it very amusing that the vocal DE player / would-be-player-if-GW-only-did-an-update / would-be-player-if-GW-only-did-an-update-by-Jes-Goodwin-and-Phil-Kelly won't actually buy when it's possibly finally going to be "put up or shut up" time.
What can I say? I'm just not as excited as I used to be. I've explained many times that I used to be incredibly excited about the prospect of new DE. But as the only army keeping me in the hobby, how long is the laughable current DE codex and model range supposed to keep me interested? It's been years since I last played 40k. If GW doesn't care about the one army keeping me in the hobby, then neither do I. I'm pretty much already out. This release could potentially bring me back, but the longer they wait, the less likely that becomes.
...Of course, had they released some pics of new DE, I'd have been much more likely to maintain my now quickly deflating enthusiasm.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Archonate wrote:I'm just not as excited as I used to be.
...Of course, had they released some pics of new DE, I'd have been much more likely to maintain my now quickly deflating enthusiasm.
Everything goes in phases. Lots of guys take years off. No biggie. GW knows you'll be back one day...
*cue Juan Diaz pics*
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Post by: InventionThirteen
Alpharius wrote:
WTF guys?
Seriously.
STOP POSTING OFF TOPIC CRAP IN THIS THREAD.
IF we really are about to get 'official' news of Dark Eldar releases THIS WEEKEND, let's try and keep this thread alive?
FINAL WARNING.
After this, OT posts will be deleted and the offenders will be punished.
Thanks!
And the DAKKA nazi reigns supreme yet again!
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Post by: Destrado
This is laughable. People are getting upset with GW for not previewing their miniatures?
Bad business, maybe, but please don't tell me that people, especially Dark Eldar players, are going to "close their eyes" to the army release, because GW hasn't shown anything.
That's like saying that Xmas isn't good, because two days earlier you still don't know what you've got*.
*unless, like me, you already know that the best gifts are the ones with the tag, "From Me, to Me. Love"
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Post by: poipo32
Purge this thread with fire and start a new one, there is way too many pointless crap here.
Back on topic, do the current rumors state the Harlequins will be in the book? I really want to field mine and I don't really like the eldar codex.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Yes Harlies are apparently in.
One person has said he is getting fed up of waiting
suddenly it is every DE player.
I find it disrepectful, I never said insulting. But if you like supwises and being patronised that is fine by me. Now run along like a good boy.
Everything goes in cycles. The DE are just on a much bigger cycle that is out of sync with everyone else's.
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Post by: Popsicle
Suggestion; why don't we introduce a new system, whereby one can only post in a Rumour Thread if you have a Rumour, or something to add or contradict to the Original Post. Then, we can have a Discussion Thread for all the fanboys...
Looking forward to DE, anyway. Helions have my attention. 
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Post by: Snord
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Sorry if my disgust should offend the delicate sensibilities of the sychophanboyz.
then you must feel disrespected by just about company on the face of the earth.
Funny but Tamiya have just announced their release schedule for the month and new releases to the end of year will be at a show early October. So yeah, I feel that every other company is being disrespectful of their customer base.
The reverse is true. GW are the only company I can think off that behaves this way.
TBH I am not overly concerned whether or not DE gets sorted out or not. I am not overly concerned that they are being disrespctful to me. What pees me off is that they have been pulling the wool over eyes from people like yourself who seem to have very little practical wordly wisdom, but far more so that there are people on this forum that have been stitched over year in year out waiting for a much needed revamp for there armies. GW was perfectly happy taking the cash off gamers for their army, which got screwed over.
So yeah I feel like whinging again and again when I see apologists making fallacious statements defending the indefensible.
I guess you would be a Dakka apologist then.
Tamiya don't tend to announce things more than a few months ahead of release. But in any case, Tamiya has an entirely different customer base - it's far less diverse than GW's (in the sense that the various product ranges have pretty distinct target markets), and they have massive guaranteed sales within Japan. They also release less new products than GW. Most importantly, they principally sell models to modellers, so they don't have to deal with the people who are more interested in the gaming aspect, for instance.
There appears to be a strong belief here that GW has a moral obligation to provide everyone with information on forthcoming products long before their release date, principally (it seems) so that the resident 'experts' can pronounce on their pros and cons. GW's failure to do this is derided as stupidity (" GW doesn't understand the internet"), a lack of respect (how, I'm not sure) or as an 'insult' (ditto). But anyone who reads the knee-jerk comments, nerd rage and grandstanding that form a great deal of what passes for informed opinion on the internet has to wonder if GW have worked out that there is little to be gained for putting things out too early, and a lot to be lost. Think about it - once something new has been argued over on sites like this, it's often lost any 'wow' factor that it may have had. Potential customers who are silly enough to believe that people who post a lot on the internet are authorities on anything may be put off from buying it (which is not to say that in some cases the criticism isn't well founded). Also, by only having a short window between revealing a product and releasing it, GW probably generates a lot of impulse purchases. Judging from the sales of the Island of Blood set at my local GW, this has worked quite well. GW's approach to things like this is certainly very changable, but to assume that there isn't a commercial reason behind this so-called secrecy policy is pretty naive.
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Post by: Kettu
I don't know what'll be more glorious; GW turning around at GD and saying nothing about the DE at all or when/if the DE are released, not a single product sells.
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Post by: Oshova
Wellity Wellity Wellity . . . Can we please just stop repeating the same stuff over and over and actually talk Dark Eldar for atleast a page without something Off Topic?
So guys, what are YOU most interested about with the rumours?
Personally, Harlies should be cool. Maybe we might be able to actually have some foot-slogging troops that aren't just holding an objective =p
And Hellions, I try them again every so often, and they just don't get any better. The new combat rules made them even worse, as they just get stuck out in the open and not in combat.
Oshova
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Post by: Big P
OmniRemix wrote:Eight years is.. uh kind of a long time dude.
We shouldn't have to "deal with it". Man, GW has their hands deep in you people's pockets.
Why are people bothered by old figures.
Is it just a case of 'they got new space marines, I want new shiny stuff or I will cry' or is it a deep seated desire to see all armies brought up to the same standard of component production? I hope its the latter. Tjough Im not sure I actually like the new sculpts I have seen lately. Seem below par to me (though Im no 40k/WFB player to be fair).
Not always the same with historicals. Im still buying 1980s GW stuff, and my last big purchase was for a range of figures the Perry Twins sculpted back in 1994.
That makes my last army 16 year old sculpts!
Though I too suffer dreadfully from the 'ooo shiny' syndrome. The piles of metal in my house bear witness to that.
On topic, I would actually like to see new Dark Elder stuff. Always wanted to do some Elder Pirates like I used to have for 1st Ed 40k.
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Post by: Father Gabe
Only a few more weeks until UK gamesday. Hopefully, something will be posted then. SInce US gamesday, which was supposed to be the best ever (not really), perhaps GW was saving the best for last. Im not a fan of dark eldar but a revision of the army would at least shut some people up...on the other hand it will get other people complaining that its over powered or under powered. Gah! Not looking forward to new forums for complaining...though Im complaining about it now...darn vicious circle.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
On topic, with all the rumors going around, can be get a consolidated posting similar to ones we done in the past?
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Post by: AlexHolker
Big P wrote:Why are people bothered by old figures.
Because not all models are made equal, and when your models aren't very good, it's annoying to wait a decade for them to be replaced. There are currently three different plastic Assault Marine kits in production (Assault Marines, Death Company and Sanguary Guard), while the Dark Eldar are stuck with their one infantry kit with zero options and the Sisters of Battle are still using 13 year old metals for their core troop choice.
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Post by: Irdiumstern
I think it's less about old figures and more about old rules to be honest. People can always kitbash/scratchbuild figures, but without rules, you won't be using them much.
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Post by: Frazzled
I am closing this thread. I will reopen if someone can PM with an actual rumor in the thread.
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