Well who would win in a fight?
After a few debates about this with Unreal Toast i've decided to ask you guys what you think

You have no idea how many times this has been done.
It comes out Sm every time.

Meh i was just curious you know?
Well it's 3:1 to the spartans atm so yea....

Oh god I cringe every time I hear those words. It is mutually agreed that Marines would win.

Sorry for beating a dead horse but like i said i was curious!

In my opinion Spartans are much much more tactiful, and are much smarter then the space marines, but when your a space marine, you dont really need tactics, the armour does it all for them :/

When you are larger and more durable than nearly anything, carrying weapon that are essentially automatic rocket launcher and sword that make molecules explodes thereby ignoring armor

you still need tactic?
why?

A Spartan is basically Space Marine .1

A Space Marine is Space Marine 8.0

Retrias wrote:When you are larger and more durable than nearly anything, carrying weapon that are essentially automatic rocket launcher and sword that make molecules explodes thereby ignoring armor

you still need tactic?
why?

Read my post again and then blow yourself up.

Considering that outside of possibly the Video Gaming Section there is no Halo thread on this site (aside from these) I wonder if the outcome of this vote might be a little biased?

IMHO Duke Nukem is more of a tactical shooter then any of the Halo's. At least in DN your health bar didn't recharge to full just because the shooting stopped. Where as in WH40K against a capable player even SM's (aside from the Blood Angels) have to at least have a general plan to win a game.

Space Marines just because they outnumber the "Current" Number of Spartans atleast one million to one.

Seriously, not again. This has been way overdone. And the answer is always the same... No one cares!

Moving thread to 40K General Discussions.

Please take note that the 40K Background forum is for 40K Background.

This again? *Sigh*

It was cool the first time though.

Unreal Toast wrote:In my opinion Spartans are much much more tactiful, and are much smarter then the space marines, but when your a space marine, you dont really need tactics, the armour does it all for them :/

WAIT WHAT?
I read this and thought wtf?
Seriously! dude Space Marines use tactics! Its just no good writer from the black library has ever thought to ask a military person ever! Spartans are kinda dumb because they all basically died on reach! And Last time i checked Spartans can't take a take shell to the face! And Live!

I reckon it's a pretty foregone conclusion too - although it's also interesting to consider the 'bad guys' from each franchise as a yardstick of comparison. Master Chef or whatever his name is has to contend with the Covenant, who, while quite badass, are certainly no eternal bloodthirsty gods of the warp, all-devouring bioengineered death machines, undead robot skeletons in flying pyramids, fungal super-warriors with a penchant for chainsaw axes or perverted spiky space pirates. As a group of different alien species working together, the best they can be compare to is the Tau, who have much better guns.
In any war, those who don't die rise to the challenge. Thus, the uniquely horrible conditions of the 41st mil have helped make the SM into very, very hard b*stards indeed.

Oh Christ, not this thread again. To the depths with ye!

Do you remember (in the first Halo game) when the monitor asks Master Chief why he's wearing such crappy armor?
In game terms I imagine mjolnar as 4+5++ armor that loses its invuln after a shot or two. Spartans Die pretty easy compared to spehss mahreens.

Please use the search button next time.

Think of it this way. Who wins, the 8-foot tall behemoth with a rapid-fire armor piercing grenade launcher or shorter one with a little rifle?

Asherian Command wrote:

Unreal Toast wrote:In my opinion Spartans are much much more tactiful, and are much smarter then the space marines, but when your a space marine, you dont really need tactics, the armour does it all for them :/

WAIT WHAT?
I read this and thought wtf?
Seriously! dude Space Marines use tactics! Its just no good writer from the black library has ever thought to ask a military person ever! Spartans are kinda dumb because they all basically died on reach! And Last time i checked Spartans can't take a take shell to the face! And Live!

Actually half of red team including Linda and Kurt survived :O

And they died protecting the orbital defence platform generators, so it wasnt really a dumb thing to have nearly died on reach, it was merely unfortunate that they were still planet side when they began to glass the planet.

Space Marines all the way.
Spartan's are pretty terrible in comparison.

And Space Marine's do use tactics, as apparent in the fluff - else they wouldn't survive half of what they have.

Yes, but does a space marine shot aliens and doesn't afraid of anything?

Spartan equivalent, Storm Troopers.

Well 'ard, but not Space Marine territory.

asimo77 wrote:Yes, but does a space marine shot aliens and doesn't afraid of anything?

What Type of question is that?
And they shall know no fear.... Mean to you?
Sparatans are scared when they fight the enemy!

A bop in the back wont kill a space marine.

/Thread

Nononononono Jesus Christ noooooo not this thread again.

I voted SM, but as a Halo fanboy I must say that I think the Spartans would at least give a fairly good fight to the SM, in some situations.
Hell, either way I'd watch it.

I'm sorry, Spartans don't stand a chance in hell.

To those saying Space Marines have no tactics, then how did they manage to get the combat tactics special rule?

Well if you consider Tau to be somewhat like the Covenant then maybe a Spartan might be a worthy foe since they pretty much beat them, though he'd still get pulverized in the end. Then again I don't know how any of their guns short of a Spartan Laser or Rocket Launcher would do anything.

but in not so many words
a space marine would as a matter of fact, up every spartan in the halo universe

Obviously these guys win

Cadichan Support wrote:Obviously these guys win

Wrong.

These guys will:

asimo77 wrote:Well if you consider Tau to be somewhat like the Covenant then maybe a Spartan might be a worthy foe since they pretty much beat them, though he'd still get pulverized in the end. Then again I don't know how any of their guns short of a Spartan Laser or Rocket Launcher would do anything.

Tau run away as they shoot. Covenant do just the oppisite.

How hasn't this thread been locked yet, I reported it and everything.

Whoops voted Spartans.
I'm (pretending that I'm) voting Space Marines. Though some of those Spartans could do very crazy things.

Brother SRM wrote:How hasn't this thread been locked yet, I reported it and everything.

party poopers make borale sad...

(just couldn't resist)

I see spartans like this: (Assuming pre-Reach status)

UNSC Spartans: 15 points/model

Squad Size: 5-10 Spartans

WS 3
BS 4
S 4
T 3
I 4
A 1
Sv. 4+/5+

Wargear: DMR, Handgun, Frag Grenades

Special Rules: Deep Strike (See also: Halo 3 intro), Combat Tactics, Combat Squads

A Spartan may trade their DMR for an Assault Rifle at no additional cost.

One Spartan per five in a squad may be upgraded to one of the following weapons:

Sniper Rifle: 10 pts.
Shotgun: 5 pts.
Spartan Laser- 20 pts.
Minigun- 20pts

DMR: Range 24" S: 3 AP: - Rapid Fire
Assault Rifle: Range 18" S: 3 AP: - Assault 2
Handgun: Range 12" S:3 AP:- Pistol
Sniper Rifle: Range 36" S: X AP: 5 Heavy 1
Spartan Laser- Range 48" S: 8 AP: 2 Heavy 1
Shotgun- Range 12" S:4 AP:- Assault 2
Minigun- Range 24" S:3 AP: - Heavy 4

I think that the Spartans would put up a good fight but ultimately lose in the end thanks to the 3+ armor save and superior WS of the Space Marines.

Spartans don't compare to Space Marines.

Sorry, they just don't.

The best example to use when comparing Spartans to anything in 40k is the Cadian Kasrkin Regiments(going off of the background for them. Not the statlines of Stormtroopers. And it's a toss-up, but I'd honestly say that Stormtroopers are a step beneath Kasrkin in terms of training, equipment, etc).

Kasrkin and Spartans both undergo brutal live-fire training from a very young age, have fairly significant genetic augmentations, and wear the most advanced armor and use the most complex "basic" weaponry(Spartans utilizing things like the Oracle uplinks for their sniper rifles, etc and Kasrkin using Hellguns, Plasma Guns, yadda) available to their respective forces.

Spartan II's or Spartan III's? I think it would be an even match against Spartan II's

Oh for God's sake, I haven't been a member of Dakka for a year yet and this is the THIRD time I've seen this.

I sure hate Halo fans :-/

Not again!


I'll have nothing to do with this!

Especially not in http://galefire.com/illustrations/sequential/vs-spartan-vs-space-marine/

Henners91 wrote:Oh for God's sake, I haven't been a member of Dakka for a year yet and this is the THIRD time I've seen this.

I sure hate Halo fans :-/

yeah! I agree. I hate halo fanboys

If a spartan was sitting 100 ft away from the sm with a sniper, kudos to the spartan for killing the marine. if they were, say, 5 ft away from each other, of course the marine would win.

Asherian Command wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Oh for God's sake, I haven't been a member of Dakka for a year yet and this is the THIRD time I've seen this.

I sure hate Halo fans :-/

yeah! I agree. I hate halo fanboys

Pft. Don't blame the Halo fans. Blame the Space Mareenz(Hurr!) crowd. They're pretty much always the ones starting the threads.

space_elf5996 wrote:If a spartan was sitting 100 ft away from the sm with a sniper, kudos to the spartan for killing the marine. if they were, say, 5 ft away from each other, of course the marine would win.

No the bullet would bounce off and kill the Spartan. I'm sorry. But Space Marine armor is made out of adamantium. Spartan armor is not.... Space Marine bolters would bypass the damn shields and kick the out of the sparatans. Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Kanluwen wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Oh for God's sake, I haven't been a member of Dakka for a year yet and this is the THIRD time I've seen this.

I sure hate Halo fans :-/

yeah! I agree. I hate halo fanboys

Pft. Don't blame the Halo fans. Blame the Space Mareenz(Hurr!) crowd. They're pretty much always the ones starting the threads.

What did you not think i was a space marine player O.o
uhh look at my sig it tells everything about me
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Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

Was talking about a WW2 artillery shell. Thats how big the bolt is.

sure, Mister Chief was pretty cool, but hes still just a well trained duder, in some weird shielding armor with modern weapons.

Space marines are super genetically advanced humans, with super advanced weapons, in super advanced armor built from super strong materials. Lets not forget that they live for inordinate periods of time, and have been hardened by fighting the most terrifying things in the universe for centuries. Super super super.

Space Marines win hands down. As well they should. Spartans are envisioned in the near future, while space marines in the far future. OF COURSE they would be better equipped / engineered.

Asherian Command wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

Was talking about a WW2 artillery shell. Thats how big the bolt is.

I have a WW1 field artillery shell casing in front of me, if the rounds for a bolter are that big (maybe bigger) then how have the Space Marines not blown everything up yet?

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

Was talking about a WW2 artillery shell. Thats how big the bolt is.

I have a WW1 field artillery shell casing in front of me, if the rounds for a bolter are that big (maybe bigger) then how have the Space Marines not blown everything up yet?

it is for balance reasons. Bolter rounds are flipping rending in books. Plus against eldar wraithbones not too powerful. they have harden carcass. And their are only like 1 space marine for every planet....

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Also the bolt shell is like an artillery shell on flipping KRAK. So this is the end result =

Its really not. There have been some pretty in-depth bolter/bolt discussions in the background forum. A potent weapon indeed; an artillery shell, not so much.

Was talking about a WW2 artillery shell. Thats how big the bolt is.

I have a WW1 field artillery shell casing in front of me, if the rounds for a bolter are that big (maybe bigger) then how have the Space Marines not blown everything up yet?

it is for balance reasons. Bolter rounds are flipping rending in books. Plus against eldar wraithbones not too powerful. they have harden carcass. And their are only like 1 space marine for every planet....

Sorry can you clear up your sentences a bit? I'm having trouble understanding what you mean.
The shell case i have is a 4.5 howizter which is about 4 or 5 inches across even with 1 marine per planet they could... well they could do anything with practically no losses the bolter is good but it's not that good and certainlly not that big either.
Now this is getting off topic (not sure if anyone cares) so i'm gonna stop.

Bolter is .998 Caliber. It was in fluff somewhere although I don't remember exactly where. Yes I know the rounds blow up I was only noting the size.

3rd ed had the specs. Really wish they had military experts show the damage of a bolter shell or a lascannon...

Yeah somehow i still doubt it was the size of an artillery shell, maybe similar in design but not in size.

purplefood wrote:Yeah somehow i still doubt it was the size of an artillery shell, maybe similar in design but not in size.

sorry... But its around the size of a good fist. Thats what i would say. But I highly doubt spartans could take a bolt shell to the heart and live..

Ninjas *sigh*

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:Yeah somehow i still doubt it was the size of an artillery shell, maybe similar in design but not in size.

sorry... But its around the size of a good fist. Thats what i would say. But I highly doubt spartans could take a bolt shell to the heart and live..

The bolter's round(and effects) are roughly equivalent to the Gauss Cannon on a Warthog.

Spartans can take three hits from a Gauss Cannon and keep going.

Yeah. but the bolter shells fire 5 bolt shells.... at a time.

Bloody ninjas

So it is settled SPACE MARINES OWN spartans? Agreed?
And all the 40k's say here here!

Oh yeah that was decided a long time ago now we're arguing to see how dead they are exactly.

Well.
Spartans Look cool. But!
Spartans lack any of the materials to be good.

Space Marines are born killers and they are heroes of thousands of campagins. Each Space marine is a hero. And Each one is superhuman. Unlike spartans. Spartans are split between Spartan II and Spartan III's. Spartan II's are as strong as a brute. But Spartan III's are not superhuman basically humans with some bonuses. It has been said that Spartan III's are more numerous except they have a 100% death ratio in war. Spartan II's are very expesnive to reproduce. Unlike the Spartan III's who are really really cheaper to produce when compared to Spartan II's.

purplefood wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:Yeah somehow i still doubt it was the size of an artillery shell, maybe similar in design but not in size.

sorry... But its around the size of a good fist. Thats what i would say. But I highly doubt spartans could take a bolt shell to the heart and live..

The bolter's round(and effects) are roughly equivalent to the Gauss Cannon on a Warthog.

Spartans can take three hits from a Gauss Cannon and keep going.

Fair point but bolters are rapid firing guns so the spartans is still screwed.

How often do all the shots from a bolter hit at once?

The point was that for all this talk of "one shot and a Spartan's dead!", that's not true. As is the ridiculousness of "the Spartans have nothing that can hurt Space Marines in Power Armor!1!1!" commentary.

Gauss Cannons were designed as tank hunting weapons. They were also pressed into service as stopgap weapons when the UNSC can't field/has no access to their "lascannon" equivalent or their Scorpion tanks. And at the same time as being "less dangerous" than those two weapons...the Gauss Cannon can still bring down Wraiths(even through their shields), cripple Scarab assault walkers, and even bring down the Covenant's heavy landing craft.

So can the "every Marine has bolters, which means they'll always win" bullcrap that gets chanted every time this comes up and realize that Spartans and Space Marines cannot be compared in a vacuum. They really can't be compared at all, outside of them being genetically modified.

Do Marines have bolters? Yes.
But by that same measure, Spartans have no real "standard loadout". They're patterned after modern Special Forces, who alter their loadouts for specific mission profiles.

Are we talking a straight up, no holds barred match-up in the field when neither side has foreknowledge of the other?
If that's the case, then Spartans are screwed. Just like the Imperial Guard, Tau, Orks, or any number of races in 40k are.
Are we talking about the Spartans(with actual knowledge of Astartes armor, etc etc) being sent on a kill strike against an Astartes force which is unawares of the Spartans beforehand?
If that's the case, then it's a toss-up. It's the same thing that happens when the Astartes send their Scouts after high value targets.

Be fair if you read the fluff behind the dead spartans they're all listed as MIA as opposed to KIA and that's it i'm off and away, goodnight

Asherian Command wrote:So it is settled SPACE MARINES OWN spartans? Agreed?
And all the 40k's say here here!

NO! these guys win for sure


BS 4 WS 3.5 S 3 T 4 I 5 A3

Special rules:
Fleet
Infiltrate
Wargear:
Hot shot pwnage ray: S 8 AP 3 Melta

Asherian Command wrote:Well.
Spartans Look cool. But!
Spartans lack any of the materials to be good.

Space Marines are born killers and they are heroes of thousands of campagins. Each Space marine is a hero. And Each one is superhuman. Unlike spartans. Spartans are split between Spartan II and Spartan III's. Spartan II's are as strong as a brute. But Spartan III's are not superhuman basically humans with some bonuses. It has been said that Spartan III's are more numerous except they have a 100% death ratio in war. Spartan II's are very expensive to reproduce. Unlike the Spartan III's who are really really cheaper to produce when compared to Spartan II's.

Space Marines aren't "born killers". They won the genetic lottery, same as the Spartans who actually make it through the entire process.

Spartan IIs are, in terms of training and "enhancements" pretty similar to Marine Scouts. They've got the enhanced reflexes, the stamina, the muscular enhancements, etc. They become more deadly, however, with their Mjolnir suits and an on-board AI.
Spartan IIIs have the exact same enhancements and training, they're just forced into finishing it at a much younger age. The difference is that they very rarely actually have Mjolnir suits and even rarer still that they'll have an on-board AI for their Mjolnir suits. Spartan-IIIs use something called "Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor" in lieu of the Mjolnir stuff. SPI forsakes the multiple powered layers, the neuro-fiber clusters, etc. Instead, it features basic ballistic protection, basic melee protection, and a ridiculously advanced set of active camouflaging material that constantly adapts to its surroundings.

Kanluwen wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well.
Spartans Look cool. But!
Spartans lack any of the materials to be good.

Space Marines are born killers and they are heroes of thousands of campagins. Each Space marine is a hero. And Each one is superhuman. Unlike spartans. Spartans are split between Spartan II and Spartan III's. Spartan II's are as strong as a brute. But Spartan III's are not superhuman basically humans with some bonuses. It has been said that Spartan III's are more numerous except they have a 100% death ratio in war. Spartan II's are very expensive to reproduce. Unlike the Spartan III's who are really really cheaper to produce when compared to Spartan II's.

Space Marines aren't "born killers". They won the genetic lottery, same as the Spartans who actually make it through the entire process.

Spartan IIs are, in terms of training and "enhancements" pretty similar to Marine Scouts. They've got the enhanced reflexes, the stamina, the muscular enhancements, etc. They become more deadly, however, with their Mjolnir suits and an on-board AI.
Spartan IIIs have the exact same enhancements and training, they're just forced into finishing it at a much younger age. The difference is that they very rarely actually have Mjolnir suits and even rarer still that they'll have an on-board AI for their Mjolnir suits. Spartan-IIIs use something called "Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor" in lieu of the Mjolnir stuff. SPI forsakes the multiple powered layers, the neuro-fiber clusters, etc. Instead, it features basic ballistic protection, basic melee protection, and a ridiculously advanced set of active camouflaging material that constantly adapts to its surroundings.

Sorry i only briefly read the spartan stuff.
They look good. Thats about it. But if the spacemarines went all out war. you know who is going to win. Space Marines hands down. One thunderhawk would obliertate the spartans. Plus oh look we have sensors.
Space Marines have HD's Believe it or not. Space Marines have updated information and tactical outputs in their helmets. Its not really gothic style technology in a Marine Helmet. It is constantly updated with tactics and Key Locations. But byfar the coolest type of helmet in 40k universe has to be the terminator helmet. OMG in it is everything you would need to set up an entire outpost!!!!?!?!?!??!?

purplefood wrote:Be fair if you read the fluff behind the dead spartans they're all listed as MIA as opposed to KIA and that's it i'm off and away, goodnight

But i agree. Its like 9:12 And i need some rest. I have like 3 tests tomorrow.

Well I haven't read most of the thread up to this point (because it's full of the same crap as all the other threads) but in the vain hope of provoking some interesting discussion, have this picture. Talk about it instead.



Personally I think spartans would win vs aliens, mainly because have you ever seen aliens media where the aliens win? Rest assured many generic marines would be eaten, though. In fact, just think of the movie Aliens, and replace the pulse rifles with gravity hammers. Much more fun.

Since Master Chef is pretty much always using some wussy gas-powered Assault Rifle or what have you, I'd say nothing short of a Spartan Laser/Missile Launcher/Energy Sword would even make a Marine BLINK.

I'd say the assault rifle would be just about as effective against a space marine as it is on legendary difficulty; which is to say, not very effective at all.

Some plasma weaponry and an energy sword would likely work out better.

SAGE

40k always wins vs threads, always. Space Marines could take on a team of Predators and win.

BTW: Bolter is .75 calibre or in the ballpark of 20mm

maybe before you blindly blurt out SPESS MahReeNs are the AEWsome and AlwAyS wIn evur timE (Hurr)!!!11!1!!111ONE you should read the halo books so you can make an informed decision. there are too many assumptions made on the power of Halo weapons: you can't say that halo tech is weaker than 40k tech just because 40k tech is from farther in the future. We have real life tech that they don't have in 40k.
I don't know why I let myself get drawn into these nerd fights...


You are all pathetic and I hate you.

Lol spartans are pretty pathetic, anyone who thinks that they could win vs marines is a little ridiculous, and a halo fanboy ...

Spartans have weak armor, pathetic shields that drop from a shot or 2, no redundant organs (get heart or lung shot and thats gg for the spartan, whereas the space marine wont even be slowed down with his third mechanical lung and secondary heart etc) Their weaponry is overall lackluster, with mabye 1-2 options capable of possibly getting through marines armor ....

Spartans are just subpar in every way possible.

kill dem stunties wrote:Spartans have weak armor, pathetic shields that drop from a shot or 2

Their armor is actually quite effective per the lore, as is the shielding they possess.

There's one thing you're all forgetting... While the average Spartan would get his ass handed to him ten times over, the Master Chief would obviously win because of his 1++ Plot Armor of the Main Character

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:maybe before you blindly blurt out SPESS MahReeNs are the AEWsome and AlwAyS wIn evur timE (Hurr)!!!11!1!!111ONE you should read the halo books so you can make an informed decision. there are too many assumptions made on the power of Halo weapons: you can't say that halo tech is weaker than 40k tech just because 40k tech is from farther in the future. We have real life tech that they don't have in 40k.
I don't know why I let myself get drawn into these nerd fights...


You are all pathetic and I hate you.

I have read every Halo book and played every game. I am a Halo fan, though not a Halo fanboy. As a Halo fan, I am absolutely convinced that a Spartan will lose a straight up fight with a Space Marine 100% of the time, period. The only chance they have is to have the odds skewed heavily in their favor, and even then I'd give them a 50/50 shot at best.

daedalus-templarius wrote:

kill dem stunties wrote:Spartans have weak armor, pathetic shields that drop from a shot or 2

Their armor is actually quite effective per the lore, as is the shielding they possess.

Quite effective vs the terrible weaponry of the halo universe, against 40k weaponry it would be torn to shreds.

kill dem stunties wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:

kill dem stunties wrote:Spartans have weak armor, pathetic shields that drop from a shot or 2

Their armor is actually quite effective per the lore, as is the shielding they possess.

Quite effective vs the terrible weaponry of the halo universe, against 40k weaponry it would be torn to shreds.

Covenant weaponry is just as effective as the weaponry used by the Imperial Guard.

The UNSC's weaponry is no slouch either, but just like 40k...they rely heavily on special/heavy weapons to really fill the holes in their armories.

kill dem stunties wrote:Quite effective vs the terrible weaponry of the halo universe, against 40k weaponry it would be torn to shreds.

You are clearly interested in a nuanced and logical discussion, free of any bias.

daedalus-templarius wrote:

kill dem stunties wrote:Quite effective vs the terrible weaponry of the halo universe, against 40k weaponry it would be torn to shreds.

You are clearly interested in a nuanced and logical discussion, free of any bias.

Unfortunately that won't be happening here.

You know I should go find a Halo forum and post this question.
Then again the most common reaction would probably be: "what's a space marine?"

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:
Unfortunately that won't be happening here.

You know I should go find a Halo forum and post this question.
Then again the most common reaction would probably be: "what's a space marine?"

Very likely scenario there

And unfortunately, if people there did know what a 'space marine' was, they would likely be just the opposite of the fans here. Logical, unbiased discussion != internet discussion.

In the fiction of their respective universes? A Space Marine. Going by actual in game performance (in their respective games)? A Spartan.

Space Marine vs. Spartan?

God damn man... I can't even decide! Spartans have extremely superior shields that can only break after 32 bullets of mid-range gunfire and they are also very agile without those bulky shoulder pads. In fact, they can jump 7 feet high, but space marines are really strong and tough and carry the mighty boltgun with its exploding rounds.

Another idea for a poll:

Brute vs Nob?

Suicidal Cheez wrote:Space Marine vs. Spartan?

God damn man... I can't even decide! Spartans have extremely superior shields that can only break after 32 bullets of mid-range gunfire and they are also very agile without those bulky shoulder pads. In fact, they can jump 7 feet high, but space marines are really strong and tough and carry the mighty boltgun with its exploding rounds.

Another idea for a poll:

Brute vs Nob?

How about brute chieftain vs warboss?

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:maybe before you blindly blurt out SPESS MahReeNs are the AEWsome and AlwAyS wIn evur timE (Hurr)!!!11!1!!111ONE you should read the halo books so you can make an informed decision. there are too many assumptions made on the power of Halo weapons: you can't say that halo tech is weaker than 40k tech just because 40k tech is from farther in the future. We have real life tech that they don't have in 40k.
I don't know why I let myself get drawn into these nerd fights...


You are all pathetic and I hate you.

And how many of our generally issued small arms are capable of piercing SM armour?

Snips wrote:

Suicidal Cheez wrote:Space Marine vs. Spartan?

God damn man... I can't even decide! Spartans have extremely superior shields that can only break after 32 bullets of mid-range gunfire and they are also very agile without those bulky shoulder pads. In fact, they can jump 7 feet high, but space marines are really strong and tough and carry the mighty boltgun with its exploding rounds.

Another idea for a poll:

Brute vs Nob?

How about brute chieftain vs warboss?

Man i expected this thread go get shot down lol. But it has been rather well debated. But now Let's try Ork Warboss vs Brute Chieftain

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Henners91 wrote:

And how many of our generally issued small arms are capable of piercing SM armour?

Well... modern machine gun = autogun; autogun = lasgun; so all of them (if you don't think lasguns can kill marines you haven't played guard). And I think it's safe to say halo rifles are better than real life guns.

spartan laser = las-gun

bucketwalrus wrote:spartan laser = las-gun

No. have you ever killed so much as a landspeeder with a lasgun? of course not. And I don't think anyone is foolish enough to think halo vehicles would be considered AV8...
A better comparison would be spartan laser =lascannon (or at least autocannon) comments like these represent an ignorant bias.

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

bucketwalrus wrote:spartan laser = las-gun

No. have you ever killed so much as a landspeeder with a lasgun? of course not. And I don't think anyone is foolish enough to think halo vehicles would be considered AV8...
A better comparison would be spartan laser =lascannon (or at least autocannon) comments like these represent an ignorant bias.

Yeah but the spartan laser sucks to Adamantium. Halo vehicles are made out steel and titanium not Adamantium

Asherian Command wrote:
Yeah but the spartan laser sucks to Adamantium. Halo vehicles are made out steel and titanium not Adamantium

First of all adamantium is the stuff in wolverine (you might be thinking of ceramite). Second of all that sounds like an assumption. Unlike the stunted tech advances in the 40k universe, human tech in halo advances at a more realistic rate. Therefore it's likely their armor is something we wouldn't recognize. Covenant tech certainly isn't.

And no one has posed a logical reason why spartan laser isn't synonymous with lascannon.

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

Henners91 wrote:

And how many of our generally issued small arms are capable of piercing SM armour?

Well... modern machine gun = autogun; autogun = lasgun; so all of them (if you don't think lasguns can kill marines you haven't played guard). And I think it's safe to say halo rifles are better than real life guns.

I prefer to consider the fluff effectiveness of a lasgun to be more "accurate" than the tabletop performance.

Otherwise marines would suck ass.

Lasguns can sever an unarmoured human limb, etc... even take off an Ork's arm, but against SM armour, if you believe SM books, they're not particularly good.

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Adamantium is in 40k and it's used in vehicles.

Ceramite is, afaik, limited to Marine armour.

edit: Ceramite is limited to power armor of all kinds, not just Marine armor. Either that or it isn't as effective as we're led to believe, as Sisters armor provides the same level of protection Astartes power armor (so it probably is Ceramite, but if it isn't that means the Imperium has other materials that are just as good anyway).



This stupid crap again?

Halo's not that great a series. Now, I think a better question would be: Battlemechs versus Titans!

But if I had to answer, definitely a Space Marine if it is one on one combat.

The spartan, duh, they can move and fire heavy weapons, they also have the ability to corpse hump, total pwnage.

tgf wrote:corpse hump

Made me day today lol



In my opinion Spartans would be much faster then Marines and far superior in tactical situations, however im just not convinced their strong enough to actually kill one :/

That depends on what kind of fight you're talking about. I imagine a Marine outside of his armor can be pretty fast.

Henners91 wrote:
I prefer to consider the fluff effectiveness of a lasgun to be more "accurate" than the tabletop performance.

Otherwise marines would suck ass.

Lasguns can sever an unarmoured human limb, etc... even take off an Ork's arm, but against SM armour, if you believe SM books, they're not particularly good.

On the tabletop a lasgun has about an 11% chance to penetrate power armor (double that on rapid fire). I don't know about you but that doesn't scream "suck ass" to me.
Besides if you're going to consider all 40k background you also have to consider IG books in which they regularly kill tough targets with lasguns.

Melissia wrote:That depends on what kind of fight you're talking about. I imagine a Marine outside of his armor can be pretty fast.

True, however if the marine is without his armour, the spartan would have a 98% chance of taking the win.

Not really. Even Marine bones are basically internal armor (their ribcage is basically a breastplate IIRC), and they have redundant vital organs.

So is the spartan, the augmentation process converts their bones and marrow into a carbonized material so that they can withstand intense physical trauma. they have other processes through the augmentation that improves on vision, speed, brain power, and some others which i cant remember. never mind that the Armour doubles whatever they get from the augmentation making them even more powerfull.

And since the marine would have no armour and the Spartan would be sporting MJOLNIR Mk II power armour its fair to say the marine would die.

... I was assuming that they were BOTH out of armor, duh? But even then, all it would take is a few good shots from the Marine to kill the Spartan. I don't believe Spartan armor provides as good protection as Astartes Power Armor.

Well ok, theres no need to be sarcastic

Well like i said, im not convinced that a spartan can kill a marine, however if the odds were tipped so that the marine had no armour and the spartan kept his, then perhaps the spartan would take the win.