Yeah i was wondering that ever since I have 350 space marines should i stop collecting D:.
But i really want to buy some Blood Angel stuff as their symbol looks like mine...
Ok heres what i got.
1st company
1 Terimantor Squad (10 man)
Assualt Cannon
6 Sternguard Squads (10 man)
3 have melta and flamer
3 have heavy weapon and melta or plasma
3 vanguard squads (10 man)
1 entirely of powerfists
1 entirely of chainswords
1 entirely of powerweapons
1 Captain Terminator ARmor
1 Chaplain Terminator Armor
2nd Company
1 Captain Scarius
1 command squad
1 Chaplain
6 Tactical squads
3 heavy bolter (plasma and flamer mix)
3 rocket launcher (flamers)
2 Assualt squads
2 Devastor Squads
3 heavy bolters, 1 lascanon, 1 plasma cannon 3 rocket launchers
10th Company
1 Captain
1 Chaplain
5 Tactical Squads (3 plasma cannons, all types, melta gun, plasma, flamer,)
(2 rocket launchers and 2 meltas) 1 Plasma gun
1 Devastor Squad (5 man)
2 Assault Squads
3 Vanguard Squads (1 6 man, 1 5 man, 1 10 man)
2 Stern Guard Squads
15 Libarains. -.- Yeah I love them
10 Commanders
Dreadnoughts x6
predators x 2
Razorbacks x 4
rhinos x 2
Land Raiders x 2
Thunderhawk gunship in the works (not the one from FW)
1 Chapter Master
With
10 Honor Guard
also got 2 chaplains.
:/
yeah I spent alot of money. like 450... 250 on ebay. 200 at GW. and most of this is from Friends who quit, dad, uncle, etc.
Should I buy this stuff or no....
I want/need the Death Company and the Sangunariy Guard and alot of paints. so in grand total around like 75$ Which i have enough money for right.... (I.E i need this stuff for my lore as i need to represent certain characters and icons on my segerants.)

You're a third of the way to having a whole chapter, why stop now?

I'd at least hold off on purchasing until everything was painted.

Jeez; now trade some of those to me in exchange for an ork army. =p

Hmm, to be objective here...Go the Chapter!

*Jim Carey voice* I have 350 marines, somebody stop me!!!

On a more serious note collect however you feel. Why don't you field all 350 in a giant APOC game. How awesome would that be.

Or carry on collecting and field an entire chapter . . . It would be completely un-fluffy . . . But who wouldn't enjoy seeing an entire SM chapter beat the living daylights out of a massive horde of something =p

Oshova

Well. Thing is. I want at least 500 marines. in total 4 compaines of marines. and 1 company of pure badasses.

You should've stopped collecting 51 marines ago.

And then made a Leonidas conversion.

I've made my own chapter
In which it is heavly based on a Templar.
I like spartans. I just dislike greek history.
I love templars. And i'm trying to get the luck number, 1,300
I have at least 368 marines? I don't know haven't looked at my marines for a while. I haven't counted them. Keeps changing D:

Finding someone(s) who could field a large enough army to let you deploy all of them at once would be pretty cool. A bitch to move them all, yes, but cool.

Vrakk wrote:Finding someone(s) who could field a large enough army to let you deploy all of them at once would be pretty cool. A bitch to move them all, yes, but cool.

I have fielded 200 of my marines before. I owned. But! It was only because I knew exactly how to play these guys. It was basically around 6.5k VS 7k. The 6.5k was me...

LOL

Your doing a templar themed force, and are trying to get the "lucky" number 13 as your total troop count?
You do realize the origin of friday the 13th and the number 13 being unlucky is from the fact that the TEMPLARS were rounded up and massacred almost to a man on a friday the 13th

Dont wanna be a douche but idk i just find it ironic

sc0ttfree wrote:LOL

Your doing a templar themed force, and are trying to get the "lucky" number 13 as your total troop count?
You do realize the origin or friday the 13th and the number 13 being unlucky is from the face that the TEMPLARS were rounded up and massacred almost to a man

Dont wanna be a douche but idk i just find it ironic

Yep. I know that. But. I have totaled a 1,250 space marine deaths throughout my gaming career. On the hobby boards. I count how many marines i loose at the end. and figure out ways to play it better.
But I really want 1,300 space marines because one i would like to stuff an entire chapter and support onto the field so that i can make the orc players at my store look worthless >
But anyway. I have fully read Templar history. And i have added that they are basically the Bank of the Imperium in which they hold all the relics and key items of the imperium. Like STC machines, lots of technology. And my chapter loans it to other chapters. And we get things we want to add to the collection.
And i also put in that I have a connection to the "Church" and have ties with the Inquistion. I have been following the Templar stuff in all my lore. But it is twisted into a futurisitic Version of it. Where the templars i have are smart and tactical like today's soldiers.
I have all the lore i need

Well Anyway Should I buy yes or no?

I have 30,000 points of Guard and Chaos. I also have separate Ultramarine, Deathwatch, Tyranid and Necron armies, virtually every Necromunda Gang, 3 editions of Space Hulk, a few thousand dollars worth of CoD and Planetstrike terrain, every Warhammer Quest product ever made and two sets of Tyranid Attack. And I just started buying MicroArt stuff to make an Adeptus Mechanicus army.

There's no such thing as 'too much'.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I have 30,000 points of Guard and Chaos. I also have separate Ultramarine, Deathwatch, Tyranid and Necron armies, virtually every Necromunda Gang, 3 editions of Space Hulk, a few thousand dollars worth of CoD and Planetstrike terrain, every Warhammer Quest product ever made and two sets of Tyranid Attack. And I just started buying MicroArt stuff to make an Adeptus Mechanicus army.

There's no such thing as 'too much'.

That puts my army to shame....
But i do have all the space hulks
I have counted a total of 55 terminators in that army.
Oh i forgot.
I have more than 20 terminators
And 16 Scouts.
And a Vindicator.
I'm also planning on getting an inqusitor just because the model looks awesome ^.^

Henners91 wrote:You should've stopped collecting 51 marines ago.

And then made a Leonidas conversion.

^ Seconded

I say yes BUY lol

The Emperor of Mankind wrote:

Henners91 wrote:You should've stopped collecting 51 marines ago.

And then made a Leonidas conversion.

^ Seconded

Stuff the rest of my plans for the evening, I need to do this now, though I may have to do a Dreadnought one too at some point (after the film )

An army of 300 Dreads? Or 300 Marines with a Dreadnought Leonidas?

I'm liking the idea of the first one, but not the cost of it =p

Oshova

I was thinking a Leonidas Dread, but if I ever won the lottery then yes 300 Spartan themed Dreads, ah one can dream...

I didn't like 300

What?! 300 was awesome!? Why not?

300 was awesome if you've never studied the history of Sparta, the battle of Thermopylae, or ancient Greece in general at all.

If you know thing one about any of the above, it's thoroughly ridiculous.

It's a romanticized version of a romanticized version of an actual event.

As if the graphic novel wasn't ridiculous enough.

Oh, and if you know anything about filmmaking, or, more specifically, cinematography... well, it's like a train wreck, see, you want to look away but you just can't.

Well, I used to be a history teacher and have studied and taught all of those events and I still thought it was awesome!
Obviously not true or even close to what might have actually happened, but then, the reality would have been a pretty lame movie.

That being said, I don't know jack about film making, so, you're probably right about everything else!

Jihadnik wrote:Well, I used to be a history teacher and have studied and taught all of those events and I still thought it was awesome!
Obviously not true or even close to what might have actually happened, but then, the reality would have been a pretty lame movie.

That being said, I don't know jack about film making, so, you're probably right about everything else!

Fair enough. I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion, but...

1) The Spartans were not betrayed by a mutant hunchback with daddy issues.
2) The Spartans did not go into battle half-naked. They were brave, not stupid.
3) There were, by many accounts, more like several thousand Persians, by other accounts, close to a hundred thousand, but no historical account of the Battle of Thermopylae I've read every claimed there were a million.

I could go on.

But from a cinematographic standpoint, there is no justification for the abuse of lens flare and slow motion (modern special effects gimmicks) in this movie.

However, this is all entirely my opinion. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the movie either!

DEATH89 wrote:

The Emperor of Mankind wrote:

Henners91 wrote:You should've stopped collecting 51 marines ago.

And then made a Leonidas conversion.

^ Seconded

Stuff the rest of my plans for the evening, I need to do this now, though I may have to do a Dreadnought one too at some point (after the film )

On topic...

I've managed to amass quite a lot of marines over the years too. I think I just recently tipped over the 200 mark.

There is quite a mixture. I have some metal grey hunters, limited edition Legion of the damned, lots of old RT marines. I think I have about 14 Librarians too, and quite a selection of chaplains, captains, vets and other characters. Not to mention a sh*tload of plastic tac squads from various eras. It's hard to know what to do with them all.

Lately I've been collecting Blood Angels, because I like the models. Most of my BA army is new though. I have a new jump pack Chapie, Lemartes, Astorath, Sanguinary guard, 20 new death company etc...

But I have also been cherry picking models from my old armies to use in my new one. I have some old Apothecaries who will all be updated to Sanguinary Priests, an old BA captain who has now traded in his cape for a winged jump pack. My 2009 Space Hulk Terminators are obviously going in. And my old Ultramarine dreadnought is about to succumb to the black rage (he doesn't know it yet).

As for the rest... I'll probably recycle them all eventually but not all as BA. At some point I'd like to paint some Imperial Fists, Angels of Redemption, Doom Eagles... Raven Guard and Salamanders look fun too. And I'd like to try a Space Wolves successor chapter.

I would rather have lots of tiny armies, that I can expand on later, or pull out for a quick game, than one big army that never gets used. Lots of small armies gives you more opportunities to paint and convert ICs and special characters too, which are more fun to work on than rank and file.

I don't think 350 marines is too much at all... But I do personally think it is too much for one army. And I think it's kind of lame to spend money on 60% tac squads just to follow GW's company structure. I would derive more fun from splitting them into smaller battle forces, and spend money on more interesting units.

It sounds like you are already committed to building companies anyway, so go for it... It's your money after all.

I would be quite interested to know how many of the 350 are actually painted, and to what standard?

Henners91 wrote:

DEATH89 wrote:

The Emperor of Mankind wrote:

Henners91 wrote:You should've stopped collecting 51 marines ago.

And then made a Leonidas conversion.

^ Seconded

Stuff the rest of my plans for the evening, I need to do this now, though I may have to do a Dreadnought one too at some point (after the film )

yeah i saw that one and the others with him but i think better is now possible and of course I now want to do the dread version

Back From School Thanks for the comments. The $100 in my room is burning a hole in my pocket...

MAY I SUGGEST SOME THING FROM SOME ONE WITH LITTLE TO NOTHING AT ALL....buy more MARINES GO FOR THE GOAL!!!!!!!


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I mean heck i am so poor i play with green army men :(

lol. My Marines are green
Also I'm a harden Player but i've been lately doing lore.

450$?

I've probably spend that much on painting supplies

yeah. I get great deals from people got 50 marines and 5 terminators for $30. But they were crappy painted.

Hey guys sorry to ressurect this thread. But my dad yet again says no you can't buy any more models. Ugh. Anyway I really wish my father wasn't such a hardass on me. When my brother spent over $ 2,000 on his army. While I only spent $550. And I have gotten all my models for dirt cheap.

Asherian Command wrote:Hey guys sorry to ressurect this thread. But my dad yet again says no you can't buy any more models. Ugh. Anyway I really wish my father wasn't such a hardass on me. When my brother spent over $ 2,000 on his army. While I only spent $550. And I have gotten all my models for dirt cheap.

Drown him in reason. Tell him how much your bro spent on his army, tell him how much you've spent on yours and then ask why you cant buy more.

Isn't it your money?
If so i'm pretty sure he isn't able to stop you.

Cambak wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Hey guys sorry to ressurect this thread. But my dad yet again says no you can't buy any more models. Ugh. Anyway I really wish my father wasn't such a hardass on me. When my brother spent over $ 2,000 on his army. While I only spent $550. And I have gotten all my models for dirt cheap.

Drown him in reason. Tell him how much your bro spent on his army, tell him how much you've spent on yours and then ask why you cant buy more.

That works. I told him. But I think its that stereotype that the youngest child never makes the best decisions even though literally I am turning into an eagle scout, and I am also getting all these awards and stuff like that. I still tell him that I am not like my brother, and it is also when I was a kid i was really big into yu-gi-oh! and then i stopped then for mage knights i did the same thing except the company went down. He still thinks that I will just give up on another hobby. Even though I have been into it for 10 years nonstop while I played my other hobbies.

Sorry, what's an Eagle Scout?

Keep going! I dunno how you spend so little money....I've spent at least 600$ on my 1500 point CSM list...Although I have been buying a lot of paint..

purplefood wrote:Sorry, what's an Eagle Scout?

'
ugh its fine. its just i need to show what an eagle scout is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Scout_%28Boy_Scouts_of_America%29
http://www.nesa.org/VOSawards.html
Basically it is a honor society and only 2% of the boy scout population ever become one. It is basically an equal-vent of the Royal Scouts from England.

I told my dad that he can't control me in anyway. That I like build stuff. Of course he did throw the Well you never play anygames. But I wanted to throw so do you.

Yeah i have never heard of he Royal scouts either...
Maybe it's just me.

And I am the first one in my entire family ever to get this high in ranks and to recieve one. So I don't know why he has this anti-youngest feeling around him. Of course both my parents do. I have nothing wrong with me. I am intelligent I work out, but I rarely get out with friends ever since I stopped going to GW after their new sanctions of store times. And I have been assembling a table in my basement.

Yo. Asherian. Quit playing around with your avatar. That's the third different one today.

Yeah was looking through my avatars and Found my original one. XD Sorry about that. At least I didn't give anyone a Seizure

I like your first avatar the best

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like your first avatar the best

This one? Well It was a fun one. Then I changed to a custodian, then to a space marine with a powerfist then to a funny one that I can't remember.

This one has nice contrast..And looks generally epic.

The green and blue marine is neat too. You know you use dakkadakka too much when...You remember every poster's avatars....

Samus_aran115 wrote:This one has nice contrast..And looks generally epic.

The green and blue marine is neat too. You know you use dakkadakka too much when...You remember every poster's avatars....

Yes. That reminds me what happened to that thread?

It died... horribly.

Damn.
Anyway on-topic I will try and talk sense into my dad.

If your 16 and have $100 dollers then either you just had a birthday or just have nothing else to spend it on.

I would say spend a little of that but save some for well.... emergancies (I.E gfs and friend birthdays you only remeber the day before)

VikingScott wrote:

I would say spend a little of that but save some for well.... emergancies (I.E gfs and friend birthdays you only remeber the day before)

Yep I have that ready for emergencies unfortunately no girlfriend working on that. And no I have been working on a lot of stuff and I have a lot of jobs that I do.

And yeah. I spend a little at a time for like investments for the future.

Sounds to me like you should just quit your whining... surely you have enough?

If it's your money, then I guess it's a different case, but my parents wouldn't let me touch my savings/inheritances/etc until I went to university because I'd need them there (and golly I do...).

Tbh, as painful as it is to say it, despite this pubescent insistence that we teenagers are weathered enough in the world to make judgements equivocal to our parents, we really aren't. He's likely proud of you but just looking out for you and the line of argument "I'm an Eagle Scout, buy me things" is hardly mature.

Even if your brother did spend more money, does that make it right? Why don't you stick with a project and commit to it? Fair enough, painting can be enjoyable... but I'd bet my right arm that you haven't got every model painted, plus... if you have, just go back and strip what you painted badly when you were younger.

Asherian Command wrote:I told my dad that he can't control me in anyway. That I like build stuff. Of course he did throw the Well you never play anygames. But I wanted to throw so do you.

Can you really not see how delightfully cliché that statement is? I'm gonna guess you're about 15?

And wow, who thought I'd be able to go on a "damn young'uns" rant at 19 years of age...

Too many...yes! Stop collecting...never! What would be even more impressive is if you have them all painted. Youve already sunk your hard earned savings into GW why stop now!

I hope to own a complete BT chapter someday...

But seeing as thats between five and six thousand marines I don't know if it will ever happen.

At this point, you're pretty much just throwing money at a collection just to collect.

Sure, if that's what you'd like to do, then that's fine and all. But honestly, fo you "need" more Marines? Will you be buying something that adds or changes the way your army is fielded?

Personally, I'd use the money and buy all the special characters, this way you could field your 300+ marines in different ways.

Henners91 wrote:Sounds to me like you should just quit your whining... surely you have enough?

If it's your money, then I guess it's a different case, but my parents wouldn't let me touch my savings/inheritances/etc until I went to university because I'd need them there (and golly I do...).

Tbh, as painful as it is to say it, despite this pubescent insistence that we teenagers are weathered enough in the world to make judgements equivocal to our parents, we really aren't. He's likely proud of you but just looking out for you and the line of argument "I'm an Eagle Scout, buy me things" is hardly mature.

Even if your brother did spend more money, does that make it right? Why don't you stick with a project and commit to it? Fair enough, painting can be enjoyable... but I'd bet my right arm that you haven't got every model painted, plus... if you have, just go back and strip what you painted badly when you were younger.

Asherian Command wrote:I told my dad that he can't control me in anyway. That I like build stuff. Of course he did throw the Well you never play anygames. But I wanted to throw so do you.

Can you really not see how delightfully cliché that statement is? I'm gonna guess you're about 15?

And wow, who thought I'd be able to go on a "damn young'uns" rant at 19 years of age...

Well. Its my money. And I worked for 6 months for it. And I have not bought something for 1 year and I am 16. And I need a new army of marines so that I can make a melta army which I kinda need at the moment. But yeah I get most of what you see the thing is I've been working on other things and I have a basement filled with stuff that is waiting for me to use. And I need to make a blood angel army as one of my friends wants to play them but unfournately he changed his mind. Plus I am only going to spend 126$ thanks to a few sources I have. And its a 2000 point army.... I still think my fathers choice of words are very unwise.

He believes that just because it is my hobby does not mean I get to spend my own money on it. Of course It is my money and I earned it due to hard work. Not only that but Most of my army is not even built by me. It is deals I have gotten from friends that have quit over time. It took me a long time to gather it in one place. And it took some digging in my bits box.

He also says that what I do in my spare time computer games, video games, trying to paint, writing lore, and working on certain things that I love doing is pointless. Of course he wants to be sports oriented like my brother. But Instead I tell him No ever since I run every day for fun and I train every day for combat. It is a very difficult position. But Yeah I know that everyone believes teenagers are not that smart and cannot make decisions. But Compared to most teenagers my age. I take everything against my self, when someone fails I take it upon myself to aid them. Do people ask for it? No.

I am also building this other army so that We can have more variety in our collection of armies. We have tau, eldar, imperial guardsmen, daemonhunters, space wolves, Space Marines, orks, but we have more marines than anything but at least 40% of the space marines eldar, guardsmen and daemonhunters we got in tournaments that I have been in, or my brother was in or from gamesday every year at gamesday I collected 25 marines. That is 4 years of gamesday. 100 marines all free and most of them from conversion contests that I came in fifth place.

Devilsquid wrote:At this point, you're pretty much just throwing money at a collection just to collect.

Sure, if that's what you'd like to do, then that's fine and all. But honestly, fo you "need" more Marines? Will you be buying something that adds or changes the way your army is fielded?

Personally, I'd use the money and buy all the special characters, this way you could field your 300+ marines in different ways.

Well the first part I know is wrong. As I want this army for gaming purposes, and not only that but I use the marines from other chapters.

I love fielding massive armies as I am a big horus hersey reader and I have been for a while thinking of starting a prehersey thousand sons army, and the blood angels army is because I really love the new blood angel stuff and I have been needing to start a melta army for a while.

I make my own special characters. I will not buy metal models, i have a few custom models that I build and I keep making new special characters. And my modeling skills are at its peak and I can build a character by making 3d images using my map making skills as my time at hiveworkshop helped me create 3d images of models with relative ease. It takes me weeks to think of ways to build models. And even then my father complained that I would never build every model.
I so far have 5 of the 15 characters I want built. I have been for the longest time trying to buy some marines so that I can use up some bits to make these first knights and paint them up. Which I need to get better at. I am a great builder but I suck at painting. Even my brother who is a big guy and can paint like he'vy metal worthy models says that I come up with the best ideas and I can make the best models with relative ease and no mess ups.

Alot of my perivous gaming buddies that have quit are putting up their marines for sale and I reserved them all. and they are all Marine Players. I get the marines 3 years after they have quit the hobby and I get them for literally 1/4 of the price they bought it at. Compared to my brother I have only spent $460?
He has spent triple my amount and same with my father. I am wise in my decisions when it comes to spending my money compared to my younger days. It takes my months to think of ways to save money.

I have math problems all over my notebook, I am a mathematician and a historian and I love doing math!

16 in the USA doesn't to have as much freedom as 16 in Britain...

I would say collect how you feel you should.

But if you ever want to get rid of some stuff, I am in need of Jump jet assault marines, vindies, razorbacks, and perhaps a land raider or three.

paulguise wrote:I would say collect how you feel you should.

But if you ever want to get rid of some stuff, I am in need of Jump jet assault marines, vindies, razorbacks, and perhaps a land raider or three.

I only have 2 land raidiers. One a kid broke the other was just built
I love jump pack marines! I only have 40!
Vindies only 1
Razorbacks I have 5
Thank you for cheap prices on ebay

I was considering getting a linebreaker squadron (3 Vindicators)
Just so i could paint funny mssages on the front...

purplefood wrote:I was considering getting a linebreaker squadron (3 Vindicators)
Just so i could paint funny mssages on the front...

Yep that sounds like me XD

I was thinking about Orange with gold trim or Purple with silver trim?

I always think of a gray + gold + sliver for one of my chapters but I discarded it and went with all gold and one sliver. Then I discovered the Custodes. And I thought GW Stole them.

Anyway That sounds kinda like the Emperors Childern

I think you should look up the difference between the words "need" and "want". After all, a scout is thrifty (an eagle scout never forgets those words)

PraetorDave wrote:I think you should look up the difference between the words "need" and "want". After all, a scout is thrifty (an eagle scout never forgets those words)

Brave Clean, Reverent, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, kind obedient, cheerful thrifty,
Yep. I can see that thanks. I remember my oath

Asherian Command wrote:

PraetorDave wrote:I think you should look up the difference between the words "need" and "want". After all, a scout is thrifty (an eagle scout never forgets those words)

Brave Clean, Reverent, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, kind obedient, cheerful thrifty,
Yep. I can see that thanks. I remember my oath

1. That would be the scout law
2. You forgot Trustworthy
3. They aren't in the right order.

PraetorDave wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

PraetorDave wrote:I think you should look up the difference between the words "need" and "want". After all, a scout is thrifty (an eagle scout never forgets those words)

Brave Clean, Reverent, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, kind obedient, cheerful thrifty,
Yep. I can see that thanks. I remember my oath

1. That would be the scout law
2. You forgot Trustworthy
3. They aren't in the right order.

Yeah I know. Its how I remember them. I put them out of order and throw them together at any time when I am working to remind myself constantly that I am a Boy Scout of America and I need to act like one.

Only 9650 more till you have a legion~

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Only 9650 more till you have a legion~

How did you know my plan D:

because Jeff here is PSYCHIC! *zappz*

Asherian Command wrote:I like spartans.I have at least 368 marines

Model 300 of them with storm shields and power swords, and give them spartan helmets.

(Gettit? 300 spartans?)

Wow I crack myself up

Oshova wrote:Or carry on collecting and field an entire chapter . . . It would be completely un-fluffy . . . But who wouldn't enjoy seeing an entire SM chapter beat the living daylights out of a massive horde of something =p

Oshova

Huh? How would a third of a chapter be "un-fluffy"?

My chapter has yet to get together in the past 5,000 years my chapter has only ever had 500 marines in one location at any time.

Chapters have a max of 1000 members, but most either never reach this number due to casualties or completely disregard it (as in the case of the Black Templars) and go beyond several thousand.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Chapters have a max of 1000 members, but most either never reach this number due to casualties or completely disregard it (as in the case of the Black Templars) and go beyond several thousand.

We disregard everything dealing with that stupid book!

Asherian Command wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Chapters have a max of 1000 members, but most either never reach this number due to casualties or completely disregard it (as in the case of the Black Templars) and go beyond several thousand.

We disregard everything dealing with that stupid book!

He didn't say anything about the Codex.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Chapters have a max of 1000 members, but most either never reach this number due to casualties or completely disregard it (as in the case of the Black Templars) and go beyond several thousand.

We disregard everything dealing with that stupid book!

He didn't say anything about the Codex.

he wasn't? Damn I need to read better nowadays.

Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

Well if you put my chapter and all its successors together you get 20,000. Yep. Thats alot. But 10,000 of them are fighting somewhere else.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Chapters have a max of 1000 members, but most either never reach this number due to casualties or completely disregard it (as in the case of the Black Templars) and go beyond several thousand.

*ahem* I humbly suggest reading the following little treatise that concerns "the 1000 Marine Myth".

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?autocom=ineo&showarticle=291

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

The BT number around 5000-6000 SM.
The SW number under 2000 or there abouts.

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

The BT number around 5000-6000 SM.
The SW number under 2000 or there abouts.

SW number way more than that dude. they have thousands more.

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

The BT number around 5000-6000 SM.
The SW number under 2000 or there abouts.

SW number way more than that dude. they have thousands more.

Thousands?
They wouldn't be allowed First Founding chapter or not.
The largest company is said to be 200 (Ragnar Blackmanes) if this is taken as the number for all of them then the SW have 2400 at most. (Not including support)

SW have 12 great companies, each of which supposidly numbers 1000 marines. However those figures fluctuate wildly so it's not certain how many of them there are. There's also the 13th Company and god knows how many of them there are.

Also, 1000 is the "official" max number of any chapter as per Codex Astartes. However with casualties going up and down most chapters are going to fluctuate between those numbers. In addition it's never specified if the Librarian, Chaplain, and Techmarines are part of this number, nor is it mentioned if Vehicle crews count towards this number. Same goes for the actual command structure.

Black Templars do number 5000-6000 though. I mistook their numbers. However that is veering close to the original Legion sizes and the actual fighting strength of the Black Templars is unknown, as they're completely spread throughout the galaxy and they always lie about their numbers to avoid Inquisitorial scrutiny.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

The BT number around 5000-6000 SM.
The SW number under 2000 or there abouts.

SW number way more than that dude. they have thousands more.

Thousands?
They wouldn't be allowed First Founding chapter or not.
The largest company is said to be 200 (Ragnar Blackmanes) if this is taken as the number for all of them then the SW have 2400 at most. (Not including support)

Yeah but I am also talking about blood claws and Wolf Guard and lone wolves and the initiates and scouts.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:SW have 12 great companies, each of which supposidly numbers 1000 marines. However those figures fluctuate wildly so it's not certain how many of them there are. There's also the 13th Company and god knows how many of them there are.

Also, 1000 is the "official" max number of any chapter as per Codex Astartes. However with casualties going up and down most chapters are going to fluctuate between those numbers. In addition it's never specified if the Librarian, Chaplain, and Techmarines are part of this number, nor is it mentioned if Vehicle crews count towards this number. Same goes for the actual command structure.

Black Templars do number 5000-6000 though. I mistook their numbers. However that is veering close to the original Legion sizes and the actual fighting strength of the Black Templars is unknown, as they're completely spread throughout the galaxy and they always lie about their numbers to avoid Inquisitorial scrutiny.

Sorry what?

I said "supposidly" because their numbers fluctuate wildly. A Great Company can number anywhere from 150 to 1000 and is in effect a Chapter in it's own right (although they still answer to Logan Grimnar, the great wolf). Space Wolves stauchly defy Codex Astartes and only ever made one Successor chapter (who apparently befell some terrible tragedy and was disbanded), after which they never made successors ever again.

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

The BT number around 5000-6000 SM.
The SW number under 2000 or there abouts.

SW number way more than that dude. they have thousands more.

Thousands?
They wouldn't be allowed First Founding chapter or not.
The largest company is said to be 200 (Ragnar Blackmanes) if this is taken as the number for all of them then the SW have 2400 at most. (Not including support)

Yeah but I am also talking about blood claws and Wolf Guard and lone wolves and the initiates and scouts.

Initiates will never be in a battle until they become blood claws.
Blood claws are counted as part of a company.
Wolf guard are also counted as part of a company.
Lone wolves are counted as dead uness they redeem themselves.
Wolf scouts are counted as part of a company.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

The BT number around 5000-6000 SM.
The SW number under 2000 or there abouts.

SW number way more than that dude. they have thousands more.

Thousands?
They wouldn't be allowed First Founding chapter or not.
The largest company is said to be 200 (Ragnar Blackmanes) if this is taken as the number for all of them then the SW have 2400 at most. (Not including support)

Yeah but I am also talking about blood claws and Wolf Guard and lone wolves and the initiates and scouts.

Initiates will never be in a battle until they become blood claws.
Blood claws are counted as part of a company.
Wolf guard are also counted as part of a company.
Lone wolves are counted as dead uness they redeem themselves.
Wolf scouts are counted as part of a company.

Yeah but knowing the Space Wolves they vary in large amounts. Like one great company could be 500 if possible even thought it says Ragnar has a company of 200 which I highly doubt.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I said "supposidly" because their numbers fluctuate wildly. A Great Company can number anywhere from 150 to 1000 and is in effect a Chapter in it's own right (although they still answer to Logan Grimnar, the great wolf). Space Wolves stauchly defy Codex Astartes and only ever made one Successor chapter (who apparently befell some terrible tragedy and was disbanded), after which they never made successors ever again.

The numbers don't fluctuate the SW don't let anyone near Fenris.
A great company can number from 1-infinity but due to several reason it won't.
And the Wolf Brother (Successor chapter) were disbanded due to genetic instability.

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I said "supposidly" because their numbers fluctuate wildly. A Great Company can number anywhere from 150 to 1000 and is in effect a Chapter in it's own right (although they still answer to Logan Grimnar, the great wolf). Space Wolves stauchly defy Codex Astartes and only ever made one Successor chapter (who apparently befell some terrible tragedy and was disbanded), after which they never made successors ever again.

The numbers don't fluctuate the SW don't let anyone near Fenris.
A great company can number from 1-infinity but due to several reason it won't.
And the Wolf Brother (Successor chapter) were disbanded due to genetic instability.

Well not really. They just all got killed O.o

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Fluff wise, the Black Templars Chapter number around 10,000, about the size of a pre-heresy Space Marine Legion, and currently one of the largest single Space Marine force bar only the Space Wolves, who may or may not outnumber them by a thousand or so.

The BT number around 5000-6000 SM.
The SW number under 2000 or there abouts.

SW number way more than that dude. they have thousands more.

Thousands?
They wouldn't be allowed First Founding chapter or not.
The largest company is said to be 200 (Ragnar Blackmanes) if this is taken as the number for all of them then the SW have 2400 at most. (Not including support)

Yeah but I am also talking about blood claws and Wolf Guard and lone wolves and the initiates and scouts.

Initiates will never be in a battle until they become blood claws.
Blood claws are counted as part of a company.
Wolf guard are also counted as part of a company.
Lone wolves are counted as dead uness they redeem themselves.
Wolf scouts are counted as part of a company.

Yeah but knowing the Space Wolves they vary in large amounts. Like one great company could be 500 if possible even thought it says Ragnar has a company of 200 which I highly doubt.

"Ragnar Blackmanes company is second only to Logan Grimnars , boasting almost 200 battle hardened warriors" Pg 17 SW codex.


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Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I said "supposidly" because their numbers fluctuate wildly. A Great Company can number anywhere from 150 to 1000 and is in effect a Chapter in it's own right (although they still answer to Logan Grimnar, the great wolf). Space Wolves stauchly defy Codex Astartes and only ever made one Successor chapter (who apparently befell some terrible tragedy and was disbanded), after which they never made successors ever again.

The numbers don't fluctuate the SW don't let anyone near Fenris.
A great company can number from 1-infinity but due to several reason it won't.
And the Wolf Brother (Successor chapter) were disbanded due to genetic instability.

Well not really. They just all got killed O.o

Yeah really that's what it says. Genetic instability. They probably ended up dead but that's not why they disbanded.

Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

Wolf Scouts are not part of any company. They answer only to the Great Wolf and are assigned to Great Companys on a As-Need basis. Initiates are Blood Claws. In other chapters they are instead pushed into service as Scouts, but that is reserved for others. They're also usually pushed out in squads of 20, since Space Wolves Squads are never reinforced they have to make sure that enough survive to become Grey Hunters.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

No i mean is they have 1,500 in the chapter.
Because.....
their veterans company is 98 but.... Their tyranid hunters group is well over 250. And they have alot of scouts and captains and honor guard on Maccrage.
And Ragnar I love I read his books. He is too much of a badass to just only have 200 marines.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Wolf Scouts are not part of any company. They answer only to the Great Wolf and are assigned to Great Companys on a As-Need basis. Initiates are Blood Claws. In other chapters they are instead pushed into service as Scouts, but that is reserved for others. They're also usually pushed out in squads of 20, since Space Wolves Squads are never reinforced they have to make sure that enough survive to become Grey Hunters.

Have you read the new SW codex?
The scouts aren't all under the chapter master now but under the Wolf Lord then the CM.
Blood Claws are assigned to a company when it takes enough losses to warrant reinforcement until then they are in The Fang training.


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Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

No i mean is they have 1,500 in the chapter.
Because.....
their veterans company is 98 but.... Their tyranid hunters group is well over 250. And they have alot of scouts and captains and honor guard on Maccrage.
And Ragnar I love I read his books. He is too much of a badass to just only have 200 marines.

200 is double a codex company.
The rest of the SW make up over 1000 presumably and one Great company has 12 land raider redeemers.

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Wolf Scouts are not part of any company. They answer only to the Great Wolf and are assigned to Great Companys on a As-Need basis. Initiates are Blood Claws. In other chapters they are instead pushed into service as Scouts, but that is reserved for others. They're also usually pushed out in squads of 20, since Space Wolves Squads are never reinforced they have to make sure that enough survive to become Grey Hunters.

Have you read the new SW codex?
The scouts aren't all under the chapter master now but under the Wolf Lord then the CM.
Blood Claws are assigned to a company when it takes enough losses to warrant reinforcement until then they are in The Fang training.


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Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

No i mean is they have 1,500 in the chapter.
Because.....
their veterans company is 98 but.... Their tyranid hunters group is well over 250. And they have alot of scouts and captains and honor guard on Maccrage.
And Ragnar I love I read his books. He is too much of a badass to just only have 200 marines.

200 is double a codex company.
The rest of the SW make up over 1000 presumably and one Great company has 12 land raider redeemers.

Wow 12 redeemers? A land Raider crew is 5 marines... Damn they must really suck at tank killing.

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Wolf Scouts are not part of any company. They answer only to the Great Wolf and are assigned to Great Companys on a As-Need basis. Initiates are Blood Claws. In other chapters they are instead pushed into service as Scouts, but that is reserved for others. They're also usually pushed out in squads of 20, since Space Wolves Squads are never reinforced they have to make sure that enough survive to become Grey Hunters.

Have you read the new SW codex?
The scouts aren't all under the chapter master now but under the Wolf Lord then the CM.
Blood Claws are assigned to a company when it takes enough losses to warrant reinforcement until then they are in The Fang training.


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Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well thats stupid. Who would only want 200 marines? I mean come on! Even the ultramarines have 1,500!

Ragnar Blackmanes geat company?
The 1 out of 12 the SW can field?
I doubt the UM have 1,500 in each of their companies.

No i mean is they have 1,500 in the chapter.
Because.....
their veterans company is 98 but.... Their tyranid hunters group is well over 250. And they have alot of scouts and captains and honor guard on Maccrage.
And Ragnar I love I read his books. He is too much of a badass to just only have 200 marines.

200 is double a codex company.
The rest of the SW make up over 1000 presumably and one Great company has 12 land raider redeemers.

Wow 12 redeemers? A land Raider crew is 5 marines... Damn they must really suck at tank killing.

That particular company is obssessed with flame based wepaons so i presume the guys inside have meltas. Or they just run the other tanks over with their Land Raider Redeemers.

The line under Ragnar's Company indicates that it has 200 battle hardened warriors, but that would mean it possesses no Bloodclaws at all. It may be home to a larger percentage of Wolf Guards and Longfangs, but by no means only 200 marines.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The line under Ragnar's Company indicates that it has 200 battle hardened warriors, but that would mean it possesses no Bloodclaws at all. It may be home to a larger percentage of Wolf Guards and Longfangs, but by no means only 200 marines.

Bloodclaws aren't always non-vets.
They could just not be promoted yet.



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Or it has no Bloodclaws due to them all being promoted.
And not having sustained enough casualties to warrant more packs of Bloodclaws.

Yeah. Thats why my chapter is so different in that we have 110 maximum

I couldnt find the point where they say that Blood Claws are assigned to companies. Given how they've portrayed the SWs in this edition it would seem that each company recruits it's own.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I couldnt find the point where they say that Blood Claws are assigned to companies. Given how they've portrayed the SWs in this edition it would seem that each company recruits it's own.

I think the chapter handles the recruiting of Initiates to bloodclaws then great companies choose the packs after they have suffered enough losses to make it necessary. The pack the progresses through the Great Company, they might become Grey Hunter and the Long Fangs and some may become Wolf Gurad or Wolf Scouts.

The Bullet under the Great Companies would indicate otherwise, since it says each Great Company is in effect separate and self-sufficient. However that's just my interpretation of it. The codex seems to be intentionally unclear on the subject.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The Bullet under the Great Companies would indicate otherwise, since it says each Great Company is in effect separate and self-sufficient. However that's just my interpretation of it. The codex seems to be intentionally unclear on the subject.

Thats what i thought but from the Ragnar Blackmane book series and the fact tht the Wolf+Rune preists are still directly under Logan Grimnar would mean the recruitment from tribeman to initiate and the Bloodclaw would be the Chapter authority but from their joining a company it is then the Company doing everythin. I think also each company makes it's own weapons and armour.

Sounds like my chapter.... Each company needs to look at its own recruitment.

Asherian Command wrote:Sounds like my chapter.... Each company needs to look at its own recruitment.

That's because your chapter is ridiculously spread out and could never sustain it's number from 1 world.

Interpretation from one author to the next is usually unreliable so I'd take it with a grain of salt. However part of the mystery of the Space Wolves is the size of the chapter as a whole. Being the Codex-dodgers they are I wouldnt be surprised if they indeed did number close to their original legion size.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Interpretation from one author to the next is usually unreliable so I'd take it with a grain of salt. However part of the mystery of the Space Wolves is the size of the chapter as a whole. Being the Codex-dodgers they are I wouldnt be surprised if they indeed did number close to their original legion size.

Legion sixe during founding or Legion size at biggest.
Also afaik there are only 2 SW authors, Dan Abnett and the people that did the SW series.
This means you could use this as there is no fluff that directly contradicts it.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Sounds like my chapter.... Each company needs to look at its own recruitment.

That's because your chapter is ridiculously spread out and could never sustain it's number from 1 world.

Thats true. The chapter has only just recently sent like 500 marines against a entire ghoul star alien force. but thats beside the point.