Just wondering if anyone have any ideas for the release for next Space Marine chapter.
I guess Dark Angels and Crimson Fists are my true favorite chapter of all marines , thus any news?

Grey knights.

reds8n wrote:Grey knights.

Blah ! i meant normal chapters not specialist like GK or Daemon Hunters

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Some guy I know at the design studio said that 2010's secret black box release is going to be RAINBOW WARRIORS!

Because the 40k world needs Hippy Marines....

This would fit better in 40k general IMO really.

.. I would think that post Gks the most likely chapter to be done would be the Black Templars, they'd have the oldest (marine) codex IIRC.

Didnt BT get a release not that long ago? with Sword Brotheren and such?

Did Dark Angels ever get anything after that till now?

I'm pretty certain that Codex DA was after the BT one, the BT one is a "pure" 4th edition codex IIRc, hence they have reference to target priority tests and the like.

I wanna see BT get some love, but have honestly not heard anything regarding which one may or may not be coming next - internet tomfoolery or fact.

Not including GK. I understood what you meant.

Pure speculation? Dark Angels.

Angry Marines! lol

DA need it the most, but they are probably behind BT and GK.

If it was a purely selfish answer you were after then Imperial Fists!

Sensibly, out of the current chapters with specific codices then it would hopefully be the one with the oldest codex. No idea who that would be though; Templars or Dark Angels I suppose.

I'm praying that Dark Angels get an upgrade... Terminator company with 5-man squads? terminator commander with no Iron Halo? Just let us keep the cheap venerable upgrades...

And my battle-buddy Jim is praying they don;t even think about updating Black Templars... his army is sick enough...

I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

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I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

DA and BT have already upgrade sprues and plastic kits.....looking at the rumors, it seems we get anything but marines this/next year.

Without models to justify the move from metal to plastic, DA and BT will be rather late ( if done at all ) in 5th ed.

Maybe at the end of the circle, when marines aren't that great due to 'newer super OP' codices or if GW needs a release without much risk
then we may see the DA and/or BT redone.

Actually, BA and FW's badab war cover the Meq sales.
Would guess next Power-armored codex late 2011/begin 2012.

GW may count chaos also as 'marines' and do them before any DA/BT release.

Asherian Command wrote:

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

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I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

In what way do their rules no longer work? Smoke Launchers giving glancing hits instead of penetrating? Favored Enemy to whomever? I think that I and swordbrotherjim would love to hear how Templars "need" an update...

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

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I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

In what way do their rules no longer work? Smoke Launchers giving glancing hits instead of penetrating? Favored Enemy to whomever? I think that I and swordbrotherjim would love to hear how Templars "need" an update...

Three words:
Target Priority Tests.

SaintHazard wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

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I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

In what way do their rules no longer work? Smoke Launchers giving glancing hits instead of penetrating? Favored Enemy to whomever? I think that I and swordbrotherjim would love to hear how Templars "need" an update...

Three words:
Target Priority Tests.

Thank you. Target Priority no longer exists.

Also, "Assault Ramps."

Personally I think the logical move is to just lump us DA into a new Marine Codex... we're not really unique enough to justify our own codex and we'll never fall out of date that way :p

Just chuck in Belial and Sammael as SM characters and there ya go.

Asherian Command wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Kirika wrote:I would hope Dark Angels as they need it more then Black Templar.

Crimsons Fists is my fav chapter also but they are included in the Vanilla Marines book.

\
I find that wrong.
Black Templars have been needing it for a long time. Their rules no longer work with the new Edition

In what way do their rules no longer work? Smoke Launchers giving glancing hits instead of penetrating? Favored Enemy to whomever? I think that I and swordbrotherjim would love to hear how Templars "need" an update...

Three words:
Target Priority Tests.

Thank you. Target Priority no longer exists.

BT FAQ says they do. Only for Templars.

Of course, it's only on infantry, Jump inf, and bikes. I've never had an issue with it, since everything I shoot with those units is always the closest.

Having to House Rule/Point to German FAQ for my Assault Vehicle Land raiders is annoying as hell though.

So the target priority test, being an obsolete rule, means the Black Templars are no longer a valid army? It's a core rule of their army (Kill 'Em All). Trust me and the people he played at 'Ard Boyz, my battle buddy Jim's Templars don't need an update. Heck, he's half afraid that they will lose some of their uniqueness, like the Emperor's Chump and the vows and such...

Neither Imperial nor Crimson Fists need their own codex, and they definitely don't need some new special character called Fist Fistavius with the Fist of Deathfist.

Personally, I'd like to see GW release PDF updates for the Black Templars and Dark Angels, then not touch Space Marines again until everything else is up to date.

AlexHolker wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see GW release PDF updates for the Black Templars and Dark Angels, then not touch Space Marines again until everything else is up to date.

That would make sense, and wouldn't require people to shell out thirty bucks for a few pages of badly-written fluff. You have to pay for quality like Wolf Wolferson, Wolf Lord of the Wolftime in Wolfville.

Black Templars will be next. The last BT release was a failure due to a Codex that wasn't broken (unlike the Armageddon sub-list, which due to its power and popularity caused BT's to get their own Codex), so no one really played them, McNeil got gak-canned from writing Codices, and GW were left with tons and tons and tons of expensive Black Templar Rhino/Land Raider door sprues that nobody wanted (note how they don't make those any more - just the icons to stick onto the doors - far smarter). This time around they have a chance to really put their plastic technology to work and make a Black Templar box that simply gaks all over the original upgrade sprue (which I still love).

So more torsos and helmets, but rather than an upgrade, they're a full box. Sadly, they'll be 5 models for the cost of 10 rather than a full 10 man box, a bit like the overpriced Death Company box, but if we're lucky, we'll get a box that has 10 models, and maybe has 8 Marines and 2 new Black Templar-specific Scouts. That would be very cool.

AlexHolker wrote:Personally, I'd like to see GW release PDF updates for the Black Templars and Dark Angels, then not touch Space Marines again until everything else is up to date.

Makes perfect sense. I mean, all companies should neglect their highest selling products to ensure that the rest get a good look at.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Makes perfect sense. I mean, all companies should neglect their highest selling products to ensure that the rest get a good look at.

Are they the highest selling product per mould machined or codex written, or only if taken in aggregate? Did more people buy the Death Company box than would have bought something like a Sisters of Battle squad?

SoloFalcon:

It isn't about needing an update to be competitive, it's about needing an update to be in line with the current ruleset, and to be in line with their current vision for how the rules work. I completely agree that BT can be a strong army, but so can Dark Eldar, and both have old codexes and will get new ones sooner rather than later. Sometimes, old codexes are also terrible armies, but not always.

I just don't see how, outside of one rule that even the FAQ addresses as working just fine as written, that the Templars need a new codex...

Nthing the whole "Black Templars updated to be in line with new codices" idea. They function pretty well at the moment, but there's stuff like storm shields, land raiders, and points costs that could be rejiggered. I think GW would rather update all Space Marine books to 5th ed standards for consistency's sake than update the DA to be competitive or something. After Templars, I could see Chaos Marines or Dark Angels coming up. They released close to each other, and are both from that mercifully short lived "minimalist" codex era.

Ooh YAY! I bet they will do Dark Angels and make them awesomely cool some time next year, or the year after . . . just in time for a rules change *rolls eyes*

Oshova

Oshova wrote:Ooh YAY! I bet they will do Dark Angels and make them awesomely cool some time next year, or the year after . . . just in time for a rules change *rolls eyes*

Oshova

That's what I'm afraid of... At least I'll be ready with painted minis!

Oshova wrote:Ooh YAY! I bet they will do Dark Angels and make them awesomely cool some time next year, or the year after . . . just in time for a rules change *rolls eyes*

Oshova

Next year? Isn't it a xeno year?
OTOH, the xeno hating DA would fit in, to counter all these vile evil creatures and their new totally OP codices...

Maybe if GW decides to redo space marine bikers, DA have a chance to show up.

IMO the DE codex will give a hint where the actual design philosophy goes to.
Rise of psykers as started with SM,nids,SW,BA or creative specials like jaws,doom and others.

Since GW replaced the small minidex, and seems to replace other 3rd ed codices ( only nids had more attention ),
DA and BT will end at the end of 5th ed. I think we get the inquisition redone before another marine codex.

and members of the unforgiven, don't forget your daily prayers: " ..oh Emperor protect us from the evil that is M.Ward.."

I don't get why DA even has their own codex. They are like a pubic hair's difference from codex:sm anyhow. Just put their special characters in codex:sm and done.

LOL people think BT need a new codex after like 3 years. I vote individual Raven Guard codex... or some actual Chaos Legion Codex, with individual units for each Chaos chapter.

1hadhq wrote:DA and BT have already upgrade sprues and plastic kits.....looking at the rumors, it seems we get anything but marines this/next year.

... Grey Knights are Marines, and they are supposed to be coming around mid-January.

Melissia wrote:

1hadhq wrote:DA and BT have already upgrade sprues and plastic kits.....looking at the rumors, it seems we get anything but marines this/next year.

... Grey Knights are Marines, and they are supposed to be coming around mid-January.

After December DE, I don't think they would release two armies so close together. My bet would be march at the earliest for next 40k codex.

tgf wrote:I don't get why DA even has their own codex. They are like a pubic hair's difference from codex:sm anyhow. Just put their special characters in codex:sm and done.

Maybe because they have a lot of fluff to them, especially since they can field two entire companies of specialists as troops... and maybe because they were one of the core non-codex chapters out there, like the Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Black Templars...

Just a thought...

Ordo Dakka wrote:LOL people think BT need a new codex after like 3 years. I vote individual Raven Guard codex... or some actual Chaos Legion Codex, with individual units for each Chaos chapter.

I second the need of a Raven Guard codex.
But why do we need a chaos codex? They can use codex SM and this spiky upgrade sprue.

Melissia wrote:

1hadhq wrote:DA and BT have already upgrade sprues and plastic kits.....looking at the rumors, it seems we get anything but marines this/next year.

... Grey Knights are Marines, and they are supposed to be coming around mid-January.

I'm not sure GK are next, but if, I will welcome this.

DE are shown in september, said to be preorder in october, so surely a october/november release.
December could be the usual generic stuff.
Maybe GK are just models?
Last time they deployed a hundred of them was armageddon....
Would make sense as C: Inq / GK / IST / DW.
At least plastic GK goodness in January should save me from too many projects at once.

Oh God... they're going to do something like the LIONOR in his SILVER nipple-plated armour...

Then we'll have our JONSON PRIESTS and EMO GUARD.

*cries*

Tbh I play my DA with the 5th ed marine codex unless I have some DA-specific specialists.

Henners91 wrote:

Tbh I play my DA with the 5th ed marine codex unless I have some DA-specific specialists.

Same here, we also house ruled for anyone that wants to run pure DA use the SM Codex wargear descriptions so their storm shields and stuff work better.

LunaHound wrote:I guess Dark Angels and Crimson Fists are my true favorite chapter of all marines , thus any news?

What gives? I thought you didn't like Marines?

I reckon white scars need some models, but would like to see some forge world mini's.

Manchu wrote:

LunaHound wrote:I guess Dark Angels and Crimson Fists are my true favorite chapter of all marines , thus any news?

What gives? I thought you didn't like Marines?

I dont , but out of the marines DA and CF are still nice looking.

I really like the look of DA . . . in the drawings and paintings. The miniatures, however, are pretty disappointing.

Manchu wrote:I really like the look of DA . . . in the drawings and paintings. The miniatures, however, are pretty disappointing.

Thats why i dont have or collect DA :'D

The only miniature i like from DA is the ... Ezekiel is it?

If Chaos counts, it'd think after Grey Knights, it would be Chaos Marines.

LunaHound wrote:

Manchu wrote:I really like the look of DA . . . in the drawings and paintings. The miniatures, however, are pretty disappointing.

Thats why i dont have or collect DA :'D

The only miniature i like from DA is the ... Ezekiel is it?

DA could really do with some work in terms of their models. But it won't be for a while as their stuff is the second newest of 4th ed, IIRC. Don't bet on FW releasing anything for CF besides transfers, either. But that shouldn't matter because (1) GW already made stuff for them and (2) the FW IF stuff is good enough for them. Meanwhile, the FW DA dready is crap, IMO.

I like DA veterans.

Sword Brethern do it better.

People are complaining about DA models in this thread? Are we really... what is this? What is happening? Momma, is that you?

I'm pretty sure the Internet signed an agreement that the DA models were the only good thing to come out of that codex release. It's been what, 4 years? And they still look excellent. I'd vote for new Marine bikers next time a Marine army (aside from GK) comes out though. The same model has more or less been in production since 1993. Sure there's a multipart rider now, but it's primarily the same.

@Brother SRM: Transformers 1 is a great movie compared to Transformers 2, you know?

Transformers was a movie about some humans, guest starring the Transformers.

Manchu wrote:Sword Brethern do it better.

Sword Brethren do it from behind.

Wait what?

I hope it is Black Templars; I know at least one regular player of the army and they need it.

I agree with kirsnath that I hope its BT but, model-wise, I don't think they're that hard up. I hope that a new codex wouldn't have them all driving around in rhinos or falling in drop pods, however. That's pretty well covered.

I sincerely doubt BT or DA are going to be released before 2012. Especially if, as suggested, Grey Knights aren't released in January (as we've had very strong and consistent rumors that they'd come out in mid-Jan). At the moment, after Grey Knights there's still Sisters, Necrons, and Tau that have far more rumors going for them than BT or DA ever had-- pretty much zero information on those two.

I'd like to see Raven Guard as a next codex. They would have a unique fighting style with assassination, ambushing and loads and loads of jump packs.

I'm going to go ahead and jump in with "do we really need more Spess Mehreen codices?"

(no)

I hope to see again BT^^ IMO they're far more... interesting, fluff and the game style, far away from Big Blue Book followers, all that stuff of prayers, their rules about tests (unti now, in didn't saw again something the "you killed our comrades? PAYYYYY!!!!!!!" (sorry, i don't know the name of few rules, in Spanish the names ar not the same than English)


anyway, a OFFICIAL FAQ with actualization to 5th can be a good thing if finally they don't have a new codex...

GKs are soon, very soon.

BTs should be sometime afterwards

Black Templar aren't hard-up for minis, as I really like our upgrade sprue, Grimaldus, and Helbrecht.

The codex could use a polishing, though. Some of the newer toys (Ironclads) would be nice. Not having to buy grenades as upgrades for all of your marines would also be a plus.

But Grey Knights are strongly hinted as next. They should be sweet looking. So long Grey Knight allies, though.

I don't understand the people that say BT need an update, they do great in the current edition, a couple of their wargear options are silly but their rules for the most part work great, and a few of their units like assault termies are fantastic.

tgf wrote:(BT) do great in the current edition

I have not seen this to be true. I have not lost to them in about 2 years. (Yes, I would love to) Anecdotal, sure, but so is the rest.

Regardless, since the question was only about Space Marines, its BT; I do not think they should be redone soon because of the models though, it is 100% rules.

Well, of the possible answers to this question (space marines, dark angels, black templar, blood angels, space wolfs, grey knights) I think grey knights would be the one to get a new codex first. They're still using a third edition codex to my memory. Then Black templars are next as far as old marine codex's go. Then dark angels.

Since I like to think of myself as a deathwing player, that ocasionally uses combined wing armies and whatnot, but usually always belial, I think dark angels are not in as big of a need for an update. And we have rites of battle too!

Besides, knowing how the codex writers keep cycling marine wargear rules, dark angels would probably be re-released with even bigger 'balance' of points added in and rules for wargear and such, we'd probably still have sub-par wargear, special rules, psychic abilities, and everything else except for deathwing. And even our deathwing would have very limited options for gear.

And from my limited perspective based on fovusing on terminators, black templar armies atleast get to field 2 assault cannons in a squad of 5 terminators.

DA are in dire, dire need of an update though. :(

If I want to fill my heavy support slot with 3 x 5-man MEQ squads, each with 4 missile launchers, DA's versions cost me 510 pts... versus 390 for the same from Blood Angels, or 345 for the same from Space Wolves. The points difference is enough to buy a whole extra unit. It's just getting silly...

DA need to get a major fluff overhaul as well as a bunch of unique equipment to justify being a seperate chapter.


Vanilla does Bike/speeder armies better and, from a fluff standpoint, should be able to run an all terminator army(1st company style which is how DA do it)

Iron Hands! Fight the Power! What? Dont all first founding chapters get special charicters? Or is it only chapters that worship the Emperor?

Barring that unlikely inctance, a new DA book bringing them back to their roots... making them... NATIVE AMERICANS! IN SPACE!

Personally I want *everything* for DA.

I want obsessive emo Fallen-hunting Hells Angeli-ish knights on jetikes AND obsessive emo Fallen-hunting plasma-toting monks in Rhinos AND obsessive Fallen-hunting emo ritualistic Native Americans in ancient Terminator armour. Only with more plasma.

We have 3 CC-specialist marine chapters -- give us a shooty specialist, with 2 heavy weapons or 2 plasma guns per squad, and easy twin-linked plasma, and uniquely torture-focused chaplains, and Termie armour that is still covered in genestealer acid scars from the first Space Hulk missions, and pre-battle rituals, and maybe a squad of jetbikes...

I was thinking, blood angels have assault squads as troops, dark angels could have devistator squads as troops

I wish for the day when the dark angels codex is considered to be the 'over the top marine codex of the year'

Or at the very least, flesh out deathwing and ravenwing with more unique choices for weaponry and wargear, and give us something cool for the regular marines of the DA too!

Ian Sturrock wrote:

2 plasma guns per squad

Already been done, Gray Hunters, and they are billy bad asses in close combat too. Devastators as troops is a neat idea, I never run them in heavy slots but as troops I would consider it.

personally i'd like some splat books which allow you to field specific legions, normally just by altering FOC and adding resticitions and a few ne units, like the old chaos codex with the books of chaos in and the old blood angels and space wolves

Xyon wrote:I was thinking, blood angels have assault squads as troops, dark angels could have devistator squads as troops

I wish for the day when the dark angels codex is considered to be the 'over the top marine codex of the year'

Or at the very least, flesh out deathwing and ravenwing with more unique choices for weaponry and wargear, and give us something cool for the regular marines of the DA too!

Why would the Dark Angels use Devastators as troops? it make no sense fluff-wise or other. The Dark Angels specialties are fast attack and heavy infantry, hence the reason that the masters make those units into scoring units.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Xyon wrote:I was thinking, blood angels have assault squads as troops, dark angels could have devistator squads as troops

I wish for the day when the dark angels codex is considered to be the 'over the top marine codex of the year'

Or at the very least, flesh out deathwing and ravenwing with more unique choices for weaponry and wargear, and give us something cool for the regular marines of the DA too!

Why would the Dark Angels use Devastators as troops? it make no sense fluff-wise or other. The Dark Angels specialties are fast attack and heavy infantry, hence the reason that the masters make those units into scoring units.

Its just a brainstorming idea I thought of. I'm sure it could be explained. Some people think they're too much like regular marines to have their own codex, and I just think it would be an interesting way to make them different. I personally think they're good enough for their own codex, they're the first legion after all! And their home base fortress monestary is a gigantic planetary core with engines and guns and docking rigs and all that.

Besides, blood angels battle compaies do not have more assault squads than standard codex chapters, yet they have assault squads as troops, so whats the difference between letting dark angels field devastators as troops? It doesnt represent having a higher quantity of over all devastator squads, just the frequency of use.

And if you dont count special characters, dark angels only have 1 troop choice. Granted I love using belial and having terminators as troops, being able to have more troops would be good.

DA are 100% Codex following fluffwise, BA are not.

Grey Templar wrote:DA are 100% Codex following fluffwise, BA are not.

...except they're not. The Ravenwing is a non codex formation due to it being the second company.

Grey Templar wrote:DA are 100% Codex following fluffwise, BA are not.

Sure... other than the deathwing and ravenwing, thats still 100% right?

Blood angels dont even have more than 1 reserve company of assault squads.

So fluffwise they might favor assault squads, but organization wise they dont. They have as many assault squads as any other chapter does, but they're able to field 3 battle companies worth of assault squads in a single army.

A little rewrite here and there and poof, dark angel devastator squads as troops.

all codex chapters have an ASSAULT company.

the assault company consists entirely of Assault squads who are all also skilled in piloting their chapters speeders and Bikes.

only difference is that the assault company is usually the 7th and not the 2nd however the Codex doesn't specify that the Assault company HAS to be the 7th.


Deathwing is just the 1st company(which, in codex chapters, is all veterans capable of wearing TDA)

Yeah, except that dark angels have the 2nd (ravenwing) company, AND a whole 8th company of reserve assault marines.

And yeah, each chapter does have a 1st company, which is harder to argue that we're different, but they use power armor in vet squads while da dont.

it could also be argued, that because dark angels have 1 less battle company than codex armies, that they want to field more firepower in the ones they do have, using more of their reserve devastator squads with their battle companies.

the DA might be able to field their entire 1st in TDA(likely because they have tons of equipment), but veterans will still deploy in PA.

There are so many different chapters that they should come out with a book that has the main rules, but then has each of the "main" chapters(Dark Angels, Black Templar, White Scars, Imperial Fists, Salamanders, Crimson Fists) and rules for them. That way not limited to like one Special Character in the normal Space Marine book and can use all different ones different ways.

fairly easy.

add Belial and Samial to the Codex and have Belials ability be to take Terminators as troops.

Samial would allow Bikes and Speeders to be troops

Xyon wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:DA are 100% Codex following fluffwise, BA are not.

Sure... other than the deathwing and ravenwing, thats still 100% right?

Blood angels dont even have more than 1 reserve company of assault squads.

So fluffwise they might favor assault squads, but organization wise they dont. They have as many assault squads as any other chapter does, but they're able to field 3 battle companies worth of assault squads in a single army.

A little rewrite here and there and poof, dark angel devastator squads as troops.

Try your math again... The Dark Angels lose two companies to special formations, in the Deathwing (veterans who are only in terminator armour) and the Ravenwing. So that's a 20% variance from the codex... We only field two battle companies, then reserves, then scouts as normal. Devastators are not really in the fluff as something they wish to field on a regular basis. Ever read the Codexes? Either of them? Probably not.


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Grey Templar wrote:fairly easy.

add Belial and Samial to the Codex and have Belials ability be to take Terminators as troops.

Samial would allow Bikes and Speeders to be troops

And Dark Angels already do this,so what is the point?

IMO, BTs need a codex more than the Dark Angels. I have played several games against the BT and have tabled them by turn 4 each time.. and with different codices as well.

The problem is though, that GW has created a monster of a codex in C:BA which is, again, IMO way over powered, and so, if the templar codex doesnt come close to the CC monster codex that it should be, players will be unhappy with it. Of course, there are those who, even if you gave them the end all beat all codex, they would be unhappy because they screwed up the fluff or something (you know the ones... no matter what happens they are unhappy with something in GW)


I also think along the same lines as many other on here in that the DA should be a couple added pages of fluff and SCs in the C:SM book, or maybe even a WD PDF codex like the previous edition of BA.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Xyon wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:DA are 100% Codex following fluffwise, BA are not.

Sure... other than the deathwing and ravenwing, thats still 100% right?

Blood angels dont even have more than 1 reserve company of assault squads.

So fluffwise they might favor assault squads, but organization wise they dont. They have as many assault squads as any other chapter does, but they're able to field 3 battle companies worth of assault squads in a single army.

A little rewrite here and there and poof, dark angel devastator squads as troops.

Try your math again... The Dark Angels lose two companies to special formations, in the Deathwing (veterans who are only in terminator armour) and the Ravenwing. So that's a 20% variance from the codex... We only field two battle companies, then reserves, then scouts as normal. Devastators are not really in the fluff as something they wish to field on a regular basis. Ever read the Codexes? Either of them? Probably not.


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Well the Ravenwing is the 6th "biker" company, and the 1st is the first and the 8th being an assault reserve is an assault reserve, 100% codex.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:fairly easy.

add Belial and Samial to the Codex and have Belials ability be to take Terminators as troops.

Samial would allow Bikes and Speeders to be troops

And Dark Angels already do this,so what is the point?

Eliminating an unnessisary codex for a chapter that is more ultramarine than the Sallies or IH.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Xyon wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:DA are 100% Codex following fluffwise, BA are not.

Sure... other than the deathwing and ravenwing, thats still 100% right?

Blood angels dont even have more than 1 reserve company of assault squads.

So fluffwise they might favor assault squads, but organization wise they dont. They have as many assault squads as any other chapter does, but they're able to field 3 battle companies worth of assault squads in a single army.

A little rewrite here and there and poof, dark angel devastator squads as troops.

Try your math again... The Dark Angels lose two companies to special formations, in the Deathwing (veterans who are only in terminator armour) and the Ravenwing. So that's a 20% variance from the codex... We only field two battle companies, then reserves, then scouts as normal. Devastators are not really in the fluff as something they wish to field on a regular basis. Ever read the Codexes? Either of them? Probably not.


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Grey Templar wrote:fairly easy.

add Belial and Samial to the Codex and have Belials ability be to take Terminators as troops.

Samial would allow Bikes and Speeders to be troops

And Dark Angels already do this,so what is the point?

wait a second, are you arguing with me or with grey knight? because it seems like you're arguing with points i make, except that your arguments are exactly the same thing that i said but with different words.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:PDF codex like the previous edition of BA.

don't PDF us please, thats like asking for sand in the vaseline.

@Ensis: PDF any codex =

So next release should be GK ?
Awesome psyker marines.

I think its a bad idea to cramp anything into codex supersmurfs, as M.W. was unable to give at least 1 SC to any 1st founding Legion included
in that codex. So there is no space to fill in any additional SC.

Secondly, DA and BT are concepts.
Both differ from codex, as BT mostly ignore it and DA could add " extra shooty and defensive marines" to the colllection of
"assaulty marines", " hero/counterassault marines", " basic marines ".

You know what would really break the mold?

Having a dex that focused on both the Iron hands and the Iron Warriors, with some Mechanicum/Dark Mechanicum stuff thrown in.

I'd gak my pants.

Manchu wrote:You know what would really break the mold?

Having a dex that focused on both the Iron hands and the Iron Warriors, with some Mechanicum/Dark Mechanicum stuff thrown in.

I'd gak my pants.

I dunno, I really want a proper Ad Mech codex. That wouldn't do much to bring my dream to fruition.

On behalf of nobody at all, I hereby veto your idea!

I just think you're much more likely to get any AdMech if it can be sold as part of a Marine army.

Just look at the poor techpriest!

Manchu wrote:I just think you're much more likely to get any AdMech if it can be sold as part of a Marine army.

Just look at the poor techpriest!

I hope not. Considering the fact that the Adeptus Mechanicus is independent of the Departmento Munitorum and Adeptus Astartes in every way that counts (i.e. not what can be best described as a "loose alliance" with the Imperium) it wouldn't make much sense for them to be bundled with a Marine codex.

Techpriests in the IG codex are even kind of pushing it, but at least they make sense from a fluff standpoint.

agreed, Admech needs its own codex.

but lets update the current codexes first

Grey Templar wrote:agreed, Admech needs its own codex.

but lets update the current codexes first

Well yeah.

Wait are you arguing that fluff should or can drive business?

Manchu wrote:Wait are you arguing that fluff should or can drive business?

Foremost, should.

As for can, I'm not a businessman, I don't have an expert opinion on that one.

Manchu wrote:Wait are you arguing that fluff should or can drive business?

Models are part of the drive too.

Would expect FW to support their big kits (titans) with smaller models, thus Ad MECH.

1hadhq wrote:Would expect FW to support their big kits (titans) with smaller models, thus Ad MECH.

If the Titans were affordable, this statement might make sense.

If it takes twelve years to get an update for the bad space elves out I wouldn't be holding my breath for the borg. Unless of course they were sold alongside something that was already successful.

Plastic Warhound, Plastic Thunderhawk, and plastic Ad-Mech/Hands upgrade kit... I will be a happy man.

I would also be a broke man, as I would have little to hold me back from my ambition of having an entire titan legion to back up my Imperetor.