Forge World have just put the new IA:9 models up on their site.

Imperial Armour Volume 9: The Badab War

Sweet new Huron model

Some sort of Sorceror character.

And a pretty nice poster!

Shame it isn't being released before Games Day, otherwise I'd be getting some of that, especially the new Huron.

The 'Sorcerer' is a loyal SM Librarian from the Red Scorpions. I don't remember the Red Scorpions having anything to do with the Badab war, but it seems FW are going to shoehorn them in anyway....

ArbitorIan wrote:The 'Sorcerer' is a loyal SM Librarian from the Red Scorpions. I don't remember the Red Scorpions having anything to do with the Badab war, but it seems FW are going to shoehorn them in anyway....

actually they have always been involved, right from way back in White Dwarf whatever.

Valkyrie wrote:Forge World have just put the new IA:9 models up on their site.

Imperial Armour Volume 9: The Badab War

Sweet new Huron model

Some sort of Sorceror character.

And a pretty nice poster!

Shame it isn't being released before Games Day, otherwise I'd be getting some of that, especially the new Huron.

did you read the bit in the newsletter that said they would be available as pre-releases at Games Day?

They it will be available to buy at GD though.

They look pretty sweet, nice to see the Librarian painted. I'll defo be buying the Libby set for the honour guard and for a cool looking Librarin (I'll change the head though).

@ArbitorIan: They won't be shoehorning them in, they'll just make it seem like it was the Red Scorpions who won the Badab War for the Imperium and that all the other chapters only helped a little.

Seriously? Wow, I'm definitely getting them, that Sorceror model looks superb! I sense some new psychic reinforcements for my Blangels!

The Scorps were one of the myriad of chapters brought in in the initial stage of the war. I believe they were one of the group of chapters charged with protecting the trade routes around the Maeltrom from Astral Claw attack.

The Honor Guard with the Librarian is pretty freakin sweet.

The Huron model though? I'm not sure. Nice detail and stuff, but not Huron-y enough or something. I understand this model is likely from his Imperial (pre-Chaos) days, but still. Cool Terminator captain though.

yay. More Space Marines. I was afraid that the Space Marine players would start to feel left out if they didn't get something soon.

It would be nice if they did some not Imperial stuff.

It would be really nice if they got off their duff and got the Fantasy Forge World going.

Yay. Another whiner about Forge World doing Imperial models for Imperial Armour. These threads are never complete without them!

Fiend:
This is Huron before he got half his body torn off by a Combi-Melta blast. That happened at the conclusion of The Badab War, and this is the outset of it.

Oh, I really like the Luft minature! Really nice, its almost a shame he is reduced from that to the Traitor miniature that he becomes later on

Loving the Librarian as well, love the pose and the detail!! Not too impressed witht he honur guard, but then maybe they rock when painted.....almost tempted to go t GD to see these in the flesh, I onder if tickets will be availible on the day?

i like the huron model from these pics more than the gamesday ones. i suspect we'll be seeing some belial and grey knight grandmaster conversions involving them.

Woah, that huron model looks sexx. Might pick one up just for that gnarly right hand

Huh?

There are plenty of force/power weapon hands out there - some are already right-handed!

Why would you pay FW prices for that?!?

dude, that claw hand is awesome. just think of the mighty thundercats marine chapter master conversion of lion-o you could do!!!

I love the Huron model, especially as all of the symbols on him are generic (apart from maybe on the standard) and so he is easily useable in other armies

The Libby is pure awesome, the best SM model I've seen so far from GW or FW! But I really love Mk4 armour so maybe I'm biased
The Command Squad are nice, but there is a LOT of Red Scorpions stuff to remove :(

Alpharius wrote:Huh?

There are plenty of force/power weapon hands out there - some are already right-handed!

Why would you pay FW prices for that?!?

I dunno

It looks rad! Like..Half chaos powerfist-half lightning claw!

Besides, it's a cool model!

Grim.Badger wrote:I love the Huron model, especially as all of the symbols on him are generic (apart from maybe on the standard) and so he is easily useable in other armies

The Libby is pure awesome, the best SM model I've seen so far from GW or FW! But I really love Mk4 armour so maybe I'm biased
The Command Squad are nice, but there is a LOT of Red Scorpions stuff to remove :(

Word. It's really annoying that so many cool models are chapter specific (mainly GW). I remember when I could buy a box of Blood Claws and use that to create a Crusader Squad for my BT. Now it's all wolf pelts, teeth and gak. Same thing with BA. They have some cool models, but they're covered in chalices and blood drops. This must have a negative impact on sales since the target audience is so much narrower, but I guess there's still more SW players than Tau players.

The claw on Huron looks BEAST! Head looks a bit 'derp' though.

Libby with MK IV helm is exactly what I need. I'll probably pick up IA9 even though the cover is the worste one they've printed.

That Honor Guard is wonderful for two reasons:

1: The usual amazing detail.

2: With separate, regular SM legs it will be a lot easier for those of us who want to truescale all things Marine to work with. Not having to saw as much resin, not having to discard at least half of every amazing SM model, and being able to bung it right onto, say, Chaos Warrior legs or something cast up... wonderful. When I get my TS Marine force up and running these are _definitely_ going to be the command models.


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Hey, would anyone here be so kind as to sharpen up the Huron rules that are in the IA:9 demo shots there? I can't quite make them out, even with magnification.

That librarian looks like its begging to be converted to a sorcerer of Tzneetch, IMO.

Savnock wrote:Hey, would anyone here be so kind as to sharpen up the Huron rules that are in the IA:9 demo shots there? I can't quite make them out, even with magnification.

As I'm sure you know, that's the point.

I understand that this is the pre-melta'd Huron. I think the model is really cool as a terminator captain or Master or something, but the head throws it off for being Huron, for me anyways.

Do you think a pic of Lugft all painted up would sell more or less models?

As for the UltraScorps, no thanks.

I just made a reservation at Games Day for Huron, Hector Rex, and A Kreig commissar

The Huron model is awesome, I especially like the Lionhead shoulder pad/ awesome claw of "I steal your torso"

Sweet! I think that librarians look pretty badass in helmets!

I love the new librariuan(spelling?) model.

A shame that i use BT

Blarglord wrote:That librarian looks like its begging to be converted to a sorcerer of Tzneetch, IMO.

Aye yo. Why is my name in your siggy holmes?

No, 4serious, why?


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kenshin620 wrote:Sweet! I think that librarians look pretty badass in helmets!

I agree! Warp shields can only protect your face for so long

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kenshin620 wrote:Sweet! I think that librarians look pretty badass in helmets!

I agree! Warp shields can only protect your face for so long

And it helps since I'm horrible with faces!

Oh gawd. That's true!

Manchu wrote:Do you think a pic of Lugft all painted up would sell more or less models?

As for the UltraScorps, no thanks.

The painted Huron isn't actually done, apparently. GW's "What's New Today" has the WIP shots of it, courtesy of Keith Robertson though.

Quick call the True Scale police, someone mentioned Ture Scale!!!

Actually, a friend of mine is getting some True Scale arms and legs made, that fit to a standard torso and shoulder pads, apparently, the head and torso need no real modification to make them the correct scale its just the arms and legs that are out!!

True Scale problem solved in approximatley one months time....yippeee! Both legs and arms are generic, so no I.P infringement either....

So, these FW kits are looking even more exciting now I know that!

Delephont wrote:True Scale problem solved in approximatley one months time....yippeee! Both legs and arms are generic, so no I.P infringement either....

Finally, 10 Space Marines fit into a Rhino ... wait!

So from what I am seeing the Astral Claws are Silver and Blue, I thought they were Yellow and Black or something.

The Librarian and Honour Guard are simply fantastic. I wish they'd do a version of them without the Red Scorp iconography.

Manchu wrote:As for the UltraScorps, no thanks.

UltraScorps? Really? That's your 'constructive' criticism? They paint the Librarian blue (like most Librarians), and you label them 'UltraScorps'?

Athera wrote:yay. More Space Marines. I was afraid that the Space Marine players would start to feel left out if they didn't get something soon.

It would be nice if they did some not Imperial stuff.

Oh Jesus... they did a whole book about Orks, and their next series is about Eldar. This is the first book they've done about Marines. Please get a clue.

I think it was more a poke at how everything FW does is for Red Scorpions, they're like the FW version of Ultramarines. That's just my interpretation though.

I do like the Libby w/ honor guard though. I'm not very knowledgeable about Marine rules so I don't know how good a power-armored Libby is, but still.

Ah, right, so just more Tall Poppy Syndrome ie. equally as vapid and useless as a forum of 'criticism'.

I think its fair to say Red Scorpions are FW's key chapter, in the same way DKoK are their key IG regiment, oh wait, what about Elysians.....well, you know what I mean....

Which is fine. Why can't a company have a consistent brand image that helps to unify and give cohesion to the products that they are selling?

I have no real love for the Red Scorps myself - I have a single Red Scorp Marine in my Deathwatch Terminator Squad and that's about as far as the relationship goes - but I'm not about to start ragging on them because FW have chosen to expand their range.

The only thing I wish they'd do is release that entire set sans Red Scorp icons, because they're great models, and I want them in my Ultramarines army!

Yup, I'm getting both of the new sets. The Huron model will make an excellent Marshall in Terminator Armor. Just gotta convert that Heavy Flamer arm to have another lightning claw.

I desperately want that honour guard on the far left. I'm probably going to end up buying the whole set (convert the rest) but that helmet... is exactly what I've been looking for.

Huron's claw looks beast, though I'm not sure what I'd do with the model itself. Could make a good Abaddon conversion.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I have a single Red Scorp Marine in my Deathwatch Terminator Squad and that's about as far as the relationship goes...

Me too.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The only thing I wish they'd do is release that entire set sans Red Scorp icons, because they're great models, and I want them in my Ultramarines army!

Your wish is their command.

Not... quite. But nice try!

They're Mk4 Marines, yes, but they're not super-ornate and have awesome helmets and shoulder pads. Imagine the Honour Guard, just remove all instances of the Red Scorp icon.

That's what I want.

H.B.M.C. wrote:UltraScorps? Really? That's your 'constructive' criticism? They paint the Librarian blue (like most Librarians), and you label them 'UltraScorps'?

Facepalm noted and returned. These are the guys said to be even more rigid than Guilliman's boys about the Codex. Way to be a parody of yourself, though.

OMG I FOUND MY CHARACTERS!
I love them! These are the first FW models that i will spend 45 dollars!

Manchu wrote:These are the guys said to be even more rigid than Guilliman's boys about the Codex.

And?

You dislike them because they're a Codex chapter? You dislike the models because of the fluff? Criticism is one thing. Constructive criticism is something else altogether.

Manchu wrote:Way to be a parody of yourself, though

Real cute dipgak.

I'm not a parody of myself - I just require a little more than some catchy tall poppy bs typical fething "Marine Hate" for me to consider something to be actual criticism. You want to critique the fluff of the Scorps? Go right ahead. I don't care about them so I won't stop you. But this is a thread about the models, and the best you can manage is childish "UltraScorps", then you might as well just feth right off and not bother posting.

Isn't Hurons claw there meant to look like a Lions paw? Thats what I thought was going on rather than a semi-chaos look

Me like!

Definitely worth buying and scraping off the RS symbols!

Now, can everyone please stay civil and keep their criticisms on point and, you know, not personal?

Whats the proper colour scheme for the astral claws? blue? that stripy orange/black? could someone clarify this?

I don't think they've been officially shown in orange and black since they were the Tiger Claws in the original Badab piece.

The only way I see them having that scheme is if FW are going to do something with the camo variants from that same original spread and make that a Claws battlefield specific camo scheme.

Main thing I get from those pics of Huron is the very real possibility of Heresy Era Terms on the way. The front leg pattern, along with the shoulder pads hint at Heresy art....and given they made each mark of SM armor...I'm assuming Terms are on the way.

I don't really dig that Huron model though, don't know why. I guess it just looks like a kit bash to me...or maybe my furious browsing on CMON has managed to deflate my every expectation of anything, ever again, for all time, till the end of my miniature career (permanently).

AgeOfEgos wrote:Main thing I get from those pics of Huron is the very real possibility of Heresy Era Terms on the way. The front leg pattern, along with the shoulder pads hint at Heresy art....and given they made each mark of SM armor...I'm assuming Terms are on the way.

I don't really dig that Huron model though, don't know why. I guess it just looks like a kit bash to me...or maybe my furious browsing on CMON has managed to deflate my every expectation of anything, ever again, for all time, till the end of my miniature career (permanently).

How'd you get heresy era terminators from that? The badab was nowhere near the heresy

I'm not implying that the Badab Wars were heresy, I'm simply saying I see that style on Huron (The front leg pattern, the tassel shoulder pads, the older style claw). It wouldn't surprise me if they had done heresy Terminators and when they sculpted Huron....gave him hints to that earlier style. It's a guess is all .

Samus_aran115 wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Main thing I get from those pics of Huron is the very real possibility of Heresy Era Terms on the way. The front leg pattern, along with the shoulder pads hint at Heresy art....and given they made each mark of SM armor...I'm assuming Terms are on the way.

I don't really dig that Huron model though, don't know why. I guess it just looks like a kit bash to me...or maybe my furious browsing on CMON has managed to deflate my every expectation of anything, ever again, for all time, till the end of my miniature career (permanently).

How'd you get heresy era terminators from that? The badab was nowhere near the heresy

I'm fairly sure that FW has already said that they are in fact going to release Pre-Heresy Terminators... eventually!

Of course, that can't be soon enough for me, but now that I know they're coming, I can be patient.

For a little while!

H.B.M.C. wrote:You dislike them because they're a Codex chapter? You dislike the models because of the fluff? Criticism is one thing. Constructive criticism is something else altogether.

I neither dislike the Chapter nor the models. The only thing I don't like about the models is all the RS regalia. What I don't like, as I explained, is that the Ultramarines get criticized for being the best of the best (but really it's only because GW concentrates on them) but when ForgeWorld concentrates on a Chapter that's supposed to be even better than that no one says a thing. But as usual, you skip considering other people's points for what they are, assume whatever you want, and churn out the abuse.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm not a parody of myself

Actually, you've got a point there. You're just being your typical self in exactly the same degree as usual. Right down to calling me gak. Nice.

The best thing about the librarian is that there is no red scorpion iconography on him that i can see so he will be a Sweet little conversion to turn him into my Ultras librarian.

YAy new fw!

I really love the Huron model. I will use him as my BT marshel.

Nice libby model aswell. Shame that i play Templars

Asherian Command wrote:OMG I FOUND MY CHARACTERS!
I love them! These are the first FW models that i will spend 45 dollars!

Same here.

Huron will start a new career as Templars Marshal, and I found a Libarian for my Raven Guard Army including Veterans.

Kanluwen wrote:Yay. Another whiner about Forge World doing Imperial models for Imperial Armour. These threads are never complete without them!

Yay another whiner that got his power-thong in a bunch because someone pointed out that there just -might- be more to the "Grim Darkness of the 41st Millenium" than burly, sparkly furries with dark secrets.

And on that note, even in lurking for a short time, I've noticed that you're not worth engaging. Later sweety.

Athera wrote:
And on that note, even in lurking for a short time, I've noticed that you're not worth engaging. Later sweety.

Too late!

Terrific models although I know those claws will break off shortly after they're glued on since I have no luck with those sort of things... now to come up with the cash for the book.

Considering HBMC was talking crap about Tau in the rumor thread, I find it funny he's getting so butthurt over perceived Marine-hate in this one.

It's okay to say hint that Tau deserve gakky rules because "the Imperium could destroy them easily if they gave a gak", but make a sarcastic comment about the real and non-stop Marine pimpage we xeno players have to endure from GW and it's fething on!

I love you though HBMC, don't take this the wrong way.

Being butthurt is what he does. What's to be surprised about?

To be fair we're all butthurt. Except those of us bitching about Marines have a better reason for it in my opinion.

Go to hell Nugry, you pompous waste of bandwidth.

Sidstyler wrote:Considering HBMC was talking crap about Tau in the rumor thread, I find it funny he's getting so butthurt over perceived Marine-hate in this one.

Heh. No I just get tired of idiotic criticism devoid of any real constructiveness. My bias against the Tau is well known, but you'll also note that I'm one of the few who didn't baulk at the new Tau rumors.

Plus I find the memes that surround Space Marines to be some of the more childish and pointless in 40K fandom. I'm all for making fun of 40K, and I certainly do it whenever Matt Ward gets involved, but the endless stream of gak that gets levelled at the Marines because FW or GW dare support them is simply exacerbating. And if the best someone can do when criticising models is to call them "UltraScorps", well I'm gonna call them on it.

Sidstyler wrote:I love you though HBMC, don't take this the wrong way.

Not at all Sid.

So anyway, how come Huron is in termie armor anyway? The GW version is in power armor isn't it?

H.B.M.C. wrote:And if the best someone can do when criticising models is to call them "UltraScorps", well I'm gonna call them on it.

It's easy to shoot down other people's points when you substitute them with stuff you've made up.

Oh go away Manchu. If you can't respond without being a belligeratent fethwit then I've got nothing further to say to you.

But, to the point, and considering you want to portray this as some sort of high school debate, the first thing you said in this thread was "As for the UltraScorps, no thanks.", so if that's not a criticism of the models based upon their fluff, what is it then? Really? Just tell us what the hell you meant by that - ie. turn your criticism into constructive criticism - and I'll feth off and leave you alone.

Jesus you idiots gak me sometimes.


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Sidstyler wrote:So anyway, how come Huron is in termie armor anyway? The GW version is in power armor isn't it?

He is - all covered in Chaos symbols.

I'll be interested to see how much of a Chaos bent is in this book.

And perhaps he lost the armour during that war. The same thing that messed up his face might have melted his armour beyond repair.

I suspect Huron is in Terminator Armour precisely to differentiate him from the GW model. Plus, there's been a tendency for characters to be re-released in Terminator Armour, such as Marneus Calgar and Nigel Stormcaller.

Sidstyler wrote:So anyway, how come Huron is in termie armor anyway? The GW version is in power armor isn't it?

Maybe Chapter Masters are allowed more than one suit or armour?

I really really hope they keep Chaos out of it.

It's far more interesting for him to be like Horus; losing faith in the Emperor and the Imperium of Man and then later becoming susceptible to the whispering influence of Chaos as time grew on.
I mean, Huron from what little information we have on him...he and the Astral Claws didn't immediately opt for becoming the Red Corsairs. It took awhile.

Wow.

Way to drag a releatively simple FW release thread WAY off topic guys.

And then take a dump all over the rules of the site while doing so.

Yes, warning have been sent.

Here's your sign post.

From here on in, please stay on topic and stop the personal attacks.

And, because apparently it has to be said, "or else".

H.B.M.C., in this thead alone you have

(1) called me "dipgak,"

(2) told Nurglitch to go to hell, and

(3) called me "a belligerant fethwit."

You're accusing me of making this "some sort of high school" debate but I don't remember high school being this juvenile.

The criticism of the models is simple. As I said before, it's silly that people criticize GW for focusing on the Ultramarines and say nothing about FW's focus on the Red Scorpions. I've been a staunch defender of Space Marines in general and Ultramarines in particular for some time now. I think that most of the criticisms are bandwagon bs. But one criticism against the UM that stands up is that GW has made way too much UM-specific stuff. FW has done the same thing for Red Scorpians and now seems to be right back at it.

I was pretty puzzled when I saw that the next IA book would be about Badab UNTIL I read in this thread that the Red Scorpions were involved. In that case, of course they'll do a book on Badab! But where's the Lamenters stuff? Mantis Warriors? Executioners? And really, just one Astral Claws model? It's especially annoying that they did honor guard armor plastered with RS inignia because that is EXACTLY what tons of people have complained about regarding GW's UM honor guard. So you see, "UltraScorps" is a pretty fitting epithet for FW's version of GW's Ultramarines.

EDIT: Only saw Alpharius's post after posting this.

Yeah, the iconography is really annoying. Especially on FW models since they're so expensive you really don't want to be cutting and filing them that much.

I'll be interested in possible 'caturday' conversions and paint jobs involving him

Kanluwen wrote:I really really hope they keep Chaos out of it.

I second this. Chaos has gotten a lot of FW attention, although much of it is not to my taste and I'd like to see FW Chaos Dreads at the level of the new SW Dread. But what I would really love to see from FW is some Eldar and Dark Eldar stuff. I know the existing Badab fluff has nothing on them but Red Scorpions are infamous xenophobes (even by Imperial standards) so maybe FW will throw us a bone and have the pointy ears orchestrating the whole meltdown.

Which IA books have Red Scorpion coverage? Four and six?

And seven.

Kanluwen wrote:I really really hope they keep Chaos out of it.

It's far more interesting for him to be like Horus; losing faith in the Emperor and the Imperium of Man and then later becoming susceptible to the whispering influence of Chaos as time grew on.
I mean, Huron from what little information we have on him...he and the Astral Claws didn't immediately opt for becoming the Red Corsairs. It took awhile.

It'd also be nice to get some info on the history of the Astral Claws as a Loyalist Chapter and also, personally, I'd like to know what makes the Maelstrom so special.

But if we're leaving out Chaos, how do we explain the weird Hamadrya thing (assuming they even explain it at all).

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I really really hope they keep Chaos out of it.

It's far more interesting for him to be like Horus; losing faith in the Emperor and the Imperium of Man and then later becoming susceptible to the whispering influence of Chaos as time grew on.
I mean, Huron from what little information we have on him...he and the Astral Claws didn't immediately opt for becoming the Red Corsairs. It took awhile.

It'd also be nice to get some info on the history of the Astral Claws as a Loyalist Chapter and also, personally, I'd like to know what makes the Maelstrom so special.

But if we're leaving out Chaos, how do we explain the weird Hamadrya thing (assuming they even explain it at all).

He didn't have it before he started conquering worlds within the Maelstrom, so I'd guess that's how it'd be explained.


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Manchu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I really really hope they keep Chaos out of it.

I second this. Chaos has gotten a lot of FW attention, although much of it is not to my taste and I'd like to see FW Chaos Dreads at the level of the new SW Dread. But what I would really love to see from FW is some Eldar and Dark Eldar stuff. I know the existing Badab fluff has nothing on them but Red Scorpions are infamous xenophobes (even by Imperial standards) so maybe FW will throw us a bone and have the pointy ears orchestrating the whole meltdown.

Uh, Eldar are IA11. Space Wolves, Cadians, and Elysians on an ice world fighting Exodites and Eldar wardens of a lost Eldar civilization buried beneath the ice.

Manchu wrote:And seven.

Bits and pieces in each one? Does four have the bulk of the info/ colour schemes?

Kanluwen wrote:Uh, Eldar are IA11. Space Wolves, Cadians, and Elysians on an ice world fighting Exodites and Eldar wardens of a lost Eldar civilization buried beneath the ice.

Let's just hope that IA11 doesn't turn into nothing more than a huge multi-page colour advert for the Phantom Titan, a bit like Vraks 2 was for the Reaver.

Manchu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I really really hope they keep Chaos out of it.

I second this. Chaos has gotten a lot of FW attention, although much of it is not to my taste and I'd like to see FW Chaos Dreads at the level of the new SW Dread. But what I would really love to see from FW is some Eldar and Dark Eldar stuff. I know the existing Badab fluff has nothing on them but Red Scorpions are infamous xenophobes (even by Imperial standards) so maybe FW will throw us a bone and have the pointy ears orchestrating the whole meltdown.

Still need Emperor's Children and Thousand Sons sets and some Warmachines could be nice (re: Slaanesh Knights from old Epic and the Tzeentch flyers or something else.) Some conversion kits for the Plastic Demon Prince would also be nice.

But where's the Lamenters stuff? Mantis Warriors? Executioners? And really, just one Astral Claws model?

Most definitely more enroute, Vraks was 3 books long and as I recall they were still making Dkok and renegade things even after the 3rd book had been released. Hopefully get some sneak peeks of more stuff at UK Games Day.

And personally, I've never found FW's fixation on Red Scorpions to be too much of a hinderance, their symbols are not so prominent that they couldn't be etched out or even covered over with a brass etch symbol or green stuff and a new symbol painted on, which is what I did with the first Red Scorpion kit they ever released. It was the tactical squad upgrade kit that had their symbol in a little circle on their chest. Easy fix.

I'm really looking forward to this book because its one of my favorite pieces of fluff. Its like a Diet Horus Heresy. And personally, I hope that its a sign of things to come, where events from 40k's past are elaborated on and we're given an indepth look at the characters/battles involved.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I really really hope they keep Chaos out of it.

It's far more interesting for him to be like Horus; losing faith in the Emperor and the Imperium of Man and then later becoming susceptible to the whispering influence of Chaos as time grew on.
I mean, Huron from what little information we have on him...he and the Astral Claws didn't immediately opt for becoming the Red Corsairs. It took awhile.

It'd also be nice to get some info on the history of the Astral Claws as a Loyalist Chapter and also, personally, I'd like to know what makes the Maelstrom so special.

But if we're leaving out Chaos, how do we explain the weird Hamadrya thing (assuming they even explain it at all).

You can't leave Chaos out of the story of Huron Blackheart. Period.

Manchu wrote:But where's the Lamenters stuff? Mantis Warriors? Executioners? And really, just one Astral Claws model?

I just saw this part.

First:
There's two books. Mantis Warriors, Lamenters, Executioners supposedly didn't join until what would be counting as book 2.

The reason there's just one Astral Claws model is that they're not making Chapter specific models, outside of Huron and the Librarian with his Honor Guard. That's pretty much it, according to FW.

You'll see Chapter specific shoulderpads, brass etchings, decal sheets, etc...but no more Chapter specific models or at least so sayeth the Forge World. Of course, they may go back and make a few other characters for book 2...but I dunno about that.

NELS1031 wrote:And personally, I've never found FW's fixation on Red Scorpions to be too much of a hinderance

I don't hate the Red Scorpions. They even have a nice color scheme. I feel that way about Ultras, too. But I think the point stands. Take another look at the Honor Guard. There's a scorpion on one dude's visor even! That's awesome if you have a RS army. Not so much otherwise.

Athera wrote:Still need Emperor's Children and Thousand Sons sets and some Warmachines could be nice (re: Slaanesh Knights from old Epic and the Tzeentch flyers or something else.) Some conversion kits for the Plastic Demon Prince would also be nice.

I could make a wish list, of course, but I would like to see the love spread around.

Kanluwen wrote:Uh, Eldar are IA11. Space Wolves, Cadians, and Elysians on an ice world fighting Exodites and Eldar wardens of a lost Eldar civilization buried beneath the ice.

How do you find out about this stuff??? I'm so jealous.

Athera wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I really really hope they keep Chaos out of it.

It's far more interesting for him to be like Horus; losing faith in the Emperor and the Imperium of Man and then later becoming susceptible to the whispering influence of Chaos as time grew on.
I mean, Huron from what little information we have on him...he and the Astral Claws didn't immediately opt for becoming the Red Corsairs. It took awhile.

It'd also be nice to get some info on the history of the Astral Claws as a Loyalist Chapter and also, personally, I'd like to know what makes the Maelstrom so special.

But if we're leaving out Chaos, how do we explain the weird Hamadrya thing (assuming they even explain it at all).

You can't leave Chaos out of the story of Huron Blackheart. Period.

Sure you can. It's never been in there before.
Because Chaos pretty much wasn't involved in him going rogue and refusing to give Chapter tithes, etc.

It was after they fled to the Maelstrom that Chaos and the Red Corsairs became BFF.

Kanluwen wrote:Of course, they may go back and make a few other characters for book 2...but I dunno about that.

An unnamed Librarian but no named Lamenters or Mantis Warriors special characters???

Manchu wrote:

Athera wrote:Still need Emperor's Children and Thousand Sons sets and some Warmachines could be nice (re: Slaanesh Knights from old Epic and the Tzeentch flyers or something else.) Some conversion kits for the Plastic Daemon Prince would also be nice.

I could make a wish list, of course, but I would like to see the love spread around.

I don't think we'll see Emperor's Children or Thousand Sons sets for awhile.
Unless they make the next IA book a two+ book cycle, wherein the Eldar are fighting to defend a Webway entrance against the incursions of the Thousand Sons working alongside the Emperor's Children or something like that.
In fact, I kinda like that idea.

Manchu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Uh, Eldar are IA11. Space Wolves, Cadians, and Elysians on an ice world fighting Exodites and Eldar wardens of a lost Eldar civilization buried beneath the ice.

How do you find out about this stuff??? I'm so jealous.

They announced it at Baltimore.
Plus I asked them about it when I had to get a replacement leg for my Dark Angels Venerable Dreadnought the other day and they confirmed it for me.


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Manchu wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Of course, they may go back and make a few other characters for book 2...but I dunno about that.

An unnamed Librarian but no named Lamenters or Mantis Warriors???

The Librarian is actually named.
Magister Sevrin Loth.

But I'm assuming the Lamenters and Mantis Warriors characters are going to be similar to what was in IA8: guys who are easily represented by standard models, like the Elysian Captains were.

I did the exact same thing with my RS tacticals. Unfortunately, that was much easier since the symbols could be covered with bolters and such. I don't think the RS CS will be nearly as easy to vanilla. I'm very happy that the Librarian seems to lack many, if any, RS markings.

Main reason Huron is in terminator armor is because he got sick of being an easy target in his power armor. I imagine if they redo Pedro Kantor he'll put on some terminator armor for the same reason!

Kirasu wrote:Main reason Huron is in terminator armor is because he got sick of being an easy target in his power armor. I imagine if they redo Pedro Kantor he'll put on some terminator armor for the same reason!

Maybe he instead got sick and tired of not having sweeping advance!

Hello power armor! havent worn you in a while!

kenshin620 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Main reason Huron is in terminator armor is because he got sick of being an easy target in his power armor. I imagine if they redo Pedro Kantor he'll put on some terminator armor for the same reason!

Maybe he instead got sick and tired of not having sweeping advance!

Hello power armor! havent worn you in a while!

Isn't it obvious? He makes repeated appearances on Extreme Makeover: Huron Edition

Xca|iber wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Main reason Huron is in terminator armor is because he got sick of being an easy target in his power armor. I imagine if they redo Pedro Kantor he'll put on some terminator armor for the same reason!

Maybe he instead got sick and tired of not having sweeping advance!

Hello power armor! havent worn you in a while!

Isn't it obvious? He makes repeated appearances on Extreme Makeover: Huron Edition

Tonight! Can we change this +4 save in CC storm shield into a truly menacing equipment? Find out!

Goliath wrote:I just made a reservation at Games Day for Huron, Hector Rex, and A Kreig commissar

The Huron model is awesome, I especially like the Lionhead shoulder pad/ awesome claw of "I steal your torso"

I think the lion's head shoulder pad seems to be a primarch kinda thing...

click on the pic on the GW website, there's a WIP pic that makes him look very epic

Why can't they do something cool. Huron is like abbadon, but even more fail.

If Abbadon can't even take cadia with a united chaos traitor legion group, how are we supposed to take Huron seriously with a few traitor chapters.

I recommend Johnny Walker, chapter master of booze for the booze god, and commander of a whole new chaos group (possibley, slannesh oriented). Huron has been done to death in two codexes.

Huron is not supoosed to conquer the galaxy and destroy the Imperim, like Abbadon.

But that makes no differences when you are fighting Chaos Space Marines on world X.

Gamble wrote:I did the exact same thing with my RS tacticals. Unfortunately, that was much easier since the symbols could be covered with bolters and such. I don't think the RS CS will be nearly as easy to vanilla. I'm very happy that the Librarian seems to lack many, if any, RS markings.

His right shoulder pad is the only one(that can be seen in these pictures, anyway). Thus, like Culn, he will be added to my Dark Angels.

Platuan4th wrote:

Gamble wrote:I did the exact same thing with my RS tacticals. Unfortunately, that was much easier since the symbols could be covered with bolters and such. I don't think the RS CS will be nearly as easy to vanilla. I'm very happy that the Librarian seems to lack many, if any, RS markings.

His right shoulder pad is the only one(that can be seen in these pictures, anyway). Thus, like Culn, he will be added to my Dark Angels.

Glad to see it's not just me who thought of that
Looks like my Successor Chapter is finally getting a Librarian in power armor.

Manchu wrote:
It's especially annoying that they did honor guard armor plastered with RS inignia

um... if you look at the images, there is only one helmet that the icons would be tricky to remove from - the one with the wee tail and pincers - the others are a single icon that a good scalpel would eliminate in no time. otherwise the Red Scorpion icon only appears on four shoulder pads (five if you count Loth's) and a bit of cloth on one of them - there are a drum total of 0 Red Scorpion icons on the torsos.

Hardly in the same vein as Marneus 'Ultramarine' Calgar's Ultramarine Honour Guard of the Ultramarines.

Don't get me wrong, i don't dislike them for being an Ultramarine squad, i dislike them for being terrible terrible figures. plastering them with Ultramarine icons seems a bit redundant. like polishing a turd or something.

johnnyrumour wrote:there are a drum total of 0 Red Scorpion icons on the torsos.

Look more closely. Also, one of the dude's helmet has a stinger-tail on top and pinchers on either side of his face. Come on, man.

Also, is it a coincidence that RS tacs and assaults have face plates modeled off of Striking Scorpions?

It's a coincidence. The design for MkIV armour precedes the modern Scorpion models.

I thought the Mk IV of yore was the Beakie. These "new" Mark IVs (and I'm not just talking about this most recent wave) are not the same that predate Striking Scorpions, right?

Manchu wrote:I thought the Mk IV of yore was the Beakie. These "new" Mark IVs (and I'm not just talking about this most recent wave) are not the same that predate Striking Scorpions, right?

Mark 6 was beakie

Mark 4 is the red scorpion one

the one on the right

Ah, thanks.

Why then does a second- or later founding Chapter have so much pre-Heresy armor?

Maybe they got a bulk discount when they were founded.

Nurglitch wrote:Maybe they got a bulk discount when they were founded.

Or they a ton of successor hand me downs!

Nurglitch wrote:Maybe they got a bulk discount when they were founded.

To bad it's the opposite for anyone that wants to collect them.

Manchu wrote:Ah, thanks.

Why then does a second- or later founding Chapter have so much pre-Heresy armor?

Why wouldn't they?

There was tons of the stuff mothballed in storage post-Heresy. The Imperium seemingly swapped their production lines to the 'newer' marks as time went on, and just left the older stuff to rot.

You get an instance where you need to equip an entire Chapter quickly but don't have the equipment, just give them the mothballed Heresy era stuff and wabam. It's nice and easy.

Kanluwen wrote:

Manchu wrote:Ah, thanks.

Why then does a second- or later founding Chapter have so much pre-Heresy armor?

Why wouldn't they?

There was tons of the stuff mothballed in storage post-Heresy. The Imperium seemingly swapped their production lines to the 'newer' marks as time went on, and just left the older stuff to rot.

You get an instance where you need to equip an entire Chapter quickly but don't have the equipment, just give them the mothballed Heresy era stuff and wabam. It's nice and easy.

Arent Malcadors also like that? they're dust collectors in the imperium

Ehhhhhh. I think Malcadors are more the "knockoff" Baneblades.

They can't build Baneblades like they used to, so they take the basic design and make something totally different but still impressive.
I mean hell, something has to justify them sending an entire Imperial Army to recover Yarrick's Fortress of Arrogance, right?

The question:

Kanluwen wrote:Why wouldn't they?

The answer:

Kanluwen wrote:The Imperium seemingly swapped their production lines to the 'newer' marks as time went on, and just left the older stuff to rot.

I could see these guys having some Mk IV suits around. Forge World has them all wearing, except the Honor Guard (who understandably have even older-looking stuff).

Something to consider is that buying Power Armour from a Forge World may be like buying any other equipment, you buy not only what you can afford, but also what works best for what you plan to do with it.

Back when I was a swimmer we'd buy two kinds of suit. The first was the practice suit, and the second was the racing suit. Technologically speaking the racing suit was more advanced and had to be fitted better, and tended to be expensive since they were composed of special materials. Then there were the practice suits, which weren't advanced but tended not to disintegrate so easily upon exposure to the toxic levels of chlorine in Canadian pools. However, as time wore on, often racing suits would be worn together with practice suits (the custom being to wear at least two while training) once they no longer had the integrity to be worn in a race.

My point being that the production marks of Power Armour may be an economic choice: The Red Scorpions may feel that they have the resources to both purchase and maintain the finicky Mk IV armour in preference to more robust but less high-end equipment like the MkVI and MkVII.

Manchu wrote:The question:

Kanluwen wrote:Why wouldn't they?

The answer:

Kanluwen wrote:The Imperium seemingly swapped their production lines to the 'newer' marks as time went on, and just left the older stuff to rot.

I could see these guys having some Mk IV suits around. Forge World has them all wearing, except the Honor Guard (who understandably have even older-looking stuff).

Okay, I must not have explained this terribly well.

When you have a shortage of the "new and improved" stuff(which is earmarked for the big daddy Chapters seemingly, not their Successors) in a crisis situation, the newest founding Chapters wouldn't get the best stuff in the bullpen.

They'd get what's left over.
Or at least that's the way it's always seemed. I mean, there's a reason newly founded Chapters don't have Terminator suits or Artificer Armor(with exceptions however. Dark Angel Successors seem to have treasure troves of the stuff, but that's to be expected I guess).

Is there anything in the IA fluff about this or just a FW design preference?

Manchu wrote:Is there anything in the IA fluff about this or just a FW design preference?

*shrug*
Who knows?
There's no real record of when/how/why the Red Scorpions were founded, other than "approximately 5000 years ago" from the current timeframe.

So M37?

Manchu wrote:Is there anything in the IA fluff about this or just a FW design preference?

red scorpions don't all wear MK4 just their veterans and 1st company... stated in imperial armor 3 and o believe one of the siege of vraks books

Nurglitch wrote:So M37?

I guess. It's too late for me to do the math, but that sounds about right

I'm surprised nobody seems to have really mentioned the poster. I know it's just a poster, but it's of a Dreadnought and I'm a little bit special when it comes to Dreadnoughts. If only I could take them as a hq and troops choice...

Does anybody know how FW package posters? Rolled up in a tube or folded in a packet?

I've received posters rolled in a tube, folded and placed in the accompanying book, and folded in a "stiff" envelope.

The entire Red Scorpion Chapter isn't decked out in MK IV armor. Notice the option to buy the MK IV upgrade or just 10 shoulder pads. The IA volumes show them decked out in various MKs, 1-7. Also, remember that SM are authorized to decorate their armor to their preference and different Marks can generally be combined to work together.

Posters that come with IA books are folded.