I just wanna read some funnies really... Mine's not that great.

I went into a GW specifically to buy a dull yellow with which to paint Librarian Ezekiel's banner... I pointed it out in the codex and the guy tried to sell me a foundation paint (fair enough)... I told him that I didn't quite like those so he instead recommended bubonic brown, which I went for, throwing in that I could "always highlight the edges with a mix".

I then got "Ahah! Well then you might want to consider this in addition" and he tried to flog me another paint :-/

Actually, reading that back... I guess he was just being helpful but NO MATTER! I wanted to mix up some bleached bone with it at home... anyway, someone post some better stories

Nothing really. I occasionally get a "got all the glue/primer you need?" But I'm a regular at the store, plus I bought like, 3000 points of High Elves in the last week. So I think they figure I'll buy plenty without being pestered.

I'd have to say though, I think in principle, the most ridiculous thing would have to be that paint board thing they make. I think there are very few uses for that, and even then, nothing you couldn't get with a simple, cheap piece of wood or something.

. A (small)bottled coke for a 3 dollars. FETHING NO OUTSIDE FOOD OR DRINK POLICY.

Sarnath666 wrote:. A (small)bottled coke for a 3 dollars. FETHING NO OUTSIDE FOOD OR DRINK POLICY.

Now that sucks. We're allowed drinks (no food) in our local GW, but they have to be resealable (AKA bottles of coke) but then they don't sell any products for consumption (unless you like to sniff glue and drink paint....?)

White dwarf. They always try to sell it.

One tried to flog that £150 table to my friend once. He didn't succeed.

Oh that's true, Dracos.

I've only ever bought one copy... it's a rip-off and all the good stuff is eventually made into a .pdf

I came in once looking to buy a warlock, and I was told that I could use some support batteries,

by explaining that they were in fact awesome, because they could destroy a monolith. Of course he was undeterred that my list consisted of fire prisms, wave serpents, jetbikes and warp spiders, I totally needed this immobile squad of t3 5+ save heavy support guys...

Went to buy 3 copies of space hulk (one to paint/play, one to put up the back of a cupboard and another as a gift), so ALREADY going to give them a ton of cash.

GW manager saw me looking at the new space wolves boxes, and spent the next half hour trying to sell me a $1500 space wolf army complete with 5 thunderwolves and drop pods for every unit, despite me telling him straight up it wasn't happening when he started and again every 2 minutes after that, and doing everything in his power to not sell me my space hulks without any space wolves. If there had been ANY other way for me to get those 3 space hulks I'd have walked out of the store (as I have before when dealing with this guy), but I needed them and the only other staffer was busy running an apoc game for all the kiddies and couldn't help.

A Space Marine tactical squad after I told them I was buying a Rhino for my Sisters.

Melissia wrote:A Space Marine tactical squad after I told them I was buying a Rhino for my Sisters.

I've seen this one happen.

Maybe they thought you were buying a Prom Rhino and the Sisters needed dates?

Y'all get those Space Hulks in the end, Ktulhut?

Lulz.

I do recall someone attempting to sell me hellhound kits (my least favorite IG vehicle, as useful as it is I just don't like it) despite me specifically saying I wasn't going to buy it.

And people wonder why I prefer to shop online...

Henners91 wrote:Maybe they thought you were buying a Prom Rhino and the Sisters needed dates?

Y'all get those Space Hulks in the end, Ktulhut?

Yip. In the end I told him his options were: sell me 3 copies of space hulk NOW, without any space wolves; sell me NOTHING ever again. As one of his best customers, he gakked his pants upon hearing this.

Ive actually never experianced a GW staff trying to sell me anything, ive always found them to be incredibly friendly and very helpfull. either their trained in mind manipulation of they really are friendly helpful people.

WANT TO BUY A BANEBLADE WITH THAT SPRAY GUN? YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO USE IT ON!!!1

'no thanks'

ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY THE ISLAND OF BLOOD

'No...Go away!'

I dont have a local GW, sometimes that makes me sad :(

I go into a GW to buy a Warboss.
Redshirt: Hey there! Looks like you need a force for him to lead!
Me: Nah, I'm good.
Redshirt: Are you sure? He probably needs a wagon to ride in!
Me:No.
Redshirt: Maybe you need some terrain?
Me: SODDOFF.

They're nice people, but a bit overbearing.

Unreal Toast wrote:Ive actually never experianced a GW staff trying to sell me anything, ive always found them to be incredibly friendly and very helpfull. either their trained in mind manipulation of they really are friendly helpful people.

Most of them ARE like this, once they've met their quota. You see, GW staff have to meet a sales quota or they're fired. If they're behind on their quota, they will upsell you like their life depended on it (because their job actually does!). Although the manager in my story was just being a cock. He knows I regularly spend money there and he sells most of the starter kits so his quota is always safe. IMO he just wanted to brag to his regional manager that he conned some guy into spending more than 2k in a single visit.

Ktulhut wrote:

Unreal Toast wrote:Ive actually never experianced a GW staff trying to sell me anything, ive always found them to be incredibly friendly and very helpfull. either their trained in mind manipulation of they really are friendly helpful people.

Most of them ARE like this, once they've met their quota. You see, GW staff have to meet a sales quota or they're fired. If they're behind on their quota, they will upsell you like their life depended on it (because their job actually does!). Although the manager in my story was just being a cock. He knows I regularly spend money there and he sells most of the starter kits so his quota is always safe. IMO he just wanted to brag to his regional manager that he conned some guy into spending more than 2k in a single visit.

That'll explain why the person ay my local GW doesn't do that he's the only one there and it's the only decent store for the entire city.

Is this for real?
Genuinely honestly 100% bona fide fact?

I was looking at a codex, and a GW dude told me I should buy the rulebook.

I went to buy my first army, after seeing this absolutely delicious chaos marine army on display (this is before I knew how badly they were gimped by their new codex.. anyway!) I just HAD to have them.

So I decided to go for the battle force and the GW staff guy there says "So your getting a force eh? why not get two DP's or lords to lead it? we even have these wing bits here for sale too!, Oh and youll need some oblits. how bout 6 to start?"

By then I was freaking out and ran off with my battle force.

bucketwalrus wrote:By then I was freaking out and ran off with my battle force.

I certainly hope you payed for it .

But something along these lines went down at a GW near me, just last weekend. I'm never going there again.

*At the counter, paying for the IG Codex.*
GW: So are you are starting a Guard army?
Me: Yes, I'm going to do a count-as Genestealer Cult.
GW: Oh well then you should buy the battleforce, it's a great start.
Me: No thanks, I think I'd rather just buy the Codex and give it a lookover before I buy any models.
GW: Well how are you going to make them look like Genestealer Cultists?
Me: I was thinking of maybe using bits from the Crypt Ghouls.
GW: Oh! Well then you should get a box of Ghouls and maybe a box of Cadians.
Me: I probably will eventually, but for now I think I'll stick with the Codex.
GW: Oh c'mon you know you want to.
Me: Nah, it's alright man. Can I just get the Codex?
GW: Listen kid, I've been playing 40k for four years. Any good player knows that when you're starting an army you should at least buy some models when you go to buy the Codex. It's what any smart person does.
Me: Well I've been playing since 2003, and I assure you, I know what I'm doing. I just want to buy the Codex so I can get an idea of what units I want to buy before I spend cash on stuff I don't need.
GW: Just buy the Cadians.
Me: No, I just want the Codex.
GW: Fine, but you're being really stupid.

At that point I was done with the prick. I proceeded to pull the Codex from him as he went to scan it, I returned it to the shelf, and walked out of the store without buying anything.

Did not happen to me but to a kid in store:

GW- So what army are you looking to start?
Kid- Well these look cool (points at Tau box)
GW- Well those guys rock...

He then proceeded to explain to the kid how awesome those firewarriors were and how they were even good in close combat!... at that point my friend stepped in and confronted the GW employee for pitching crap.

Unreal Toast wrote:Ive actually never experianced a GW staff trying to sell me anything, ive always found them to be incredibly friendly and very helpfull. either their trained in mind manipulation of they really are friendly helpful people.

Thank you! As a former retail wage-slave (not at a GW, however), people complained all the time that we tried to add sales to the tab, especially when I sold fridges and cameras. It's called add-on sales, and many retailers make more off of those than the products themselves. At first I was hesitant to be an adder-oner, but after a while, perspective kicked in. How many times have any of you purchased, say, a camera and the salesperson never offered batteries. So when you get home, "Dang! no batteries!" Some salespeople suck and are a-hole pushers, but some are honestly looking to properly accessorize your purchase. Too many people have one bad experience and, through no perspective of their own, class everyone in that same position as a pushy jerk.

Try humping that job, at minimum wage and no commissions, and see if some of them don't care. Of course there will be a lot of people. Ever feel like they care at 7-Eleven? Hell no! For some salespeople, this is just a job and their management barely runs the place, so yes, you will hear an unscrupulous salesperson pulling $%#$ out of their @$% to make a cheap sale. These people will eventually quit anyway. Politely call them out and save a potential victim. I have been in camera stores, waiting to make a quick sale, and overheard some crap that the salesperson down the counter is trying to peddle; sometimes, the potential victim knows me and bows out, then asks me. Some salespeople are just automatons, not all, some...

Just try and see thinks from the other side before classing everyone as a jerk. C'mon, they're not pushing priceless gems or life-support... these are freaking little army men! Lighten up!

Darth Bob wrote:
something along these lines went down at a GW near me, just last weekend. I'm never going there again.

*At the counter, paying for the IG Codex.*
GW: So are you are starting a Guard army?
Me: Yes, I'm going to do a count-as Genestealer Cult.
GW: Oh well then you should buy the battleforce, it's a great start.
Me: No thanks, I think I'd rather just buy the Codex and give it a lookover before I buy any models.
GW: Well how are you going to make them look like Genestealer Cultists?
Me: I was thinking of maybe using bits from the Crypt Ghouls.
GW: Oh! Well then you should get a box of Ghouls and maybe a box of Cadians.
Me: I probably will eventually, but for now I think I'll stick with the Codex.
GW: Oh c'mon you know you want to.
Me: Nah, it's alright man. Can I just get the Codex?
GW: Listen kid, I've been playing 40k for four years. Any good player knows that when you're starting an army you should at least buy some models when you go to buy the Codex. It's what any smart person does.
Me: Well I've been playing since 2003, and I assure you, I know what I'm doing. I just want to buy the Codex so I can get an idea of what units I want to buy before I spend cash on stuff I don't need.
GW: Just buy the Cadians.
Me: No, I just want the Codex.
GW: Fine, but you're being really stupid.

At that point I was done with the prick. I proceeded to pull the Codex from him as he went to scan it, I returned it to the shelf, and walked out of the store without buying anything.

That is truly awful, but I think that particular GW staff member just had a bad attitude. My local store is quite friendly and not pushy but when I was younger I lived in a different city, and the manager their was awful for pushing things on you.

I had just started the hobby in september and had shelled out over £300 on ogres, rulebooks, paints etc in my first two months. Then the manager started to push me to start a new army in november and so I opted for skaven because they seemed cool in the books I had read....and brought, in store. Anyway I spend at least £250 getting an army together over the next few months, however as I was doing this he was also pushing me to start playing 40k, which I had never shown any interest in playing even though I had watched some other gamers play it, and talked to them about rules, tactics etc...it just didnt interest me at the time.

If I was instore playing a game and hadnt brought something that day, he would approach me, and I remember one day he wouldnt let me sit on the stool at the gaming table because I hadnt made a purchase.

So there I was, at the age of 18, still at school, not much money, having shelled out over half a grand in under 6 months, with a manager who used to make me feel guilty for not spending more. It put me off the hobby for a long time, and I still feel guilty if a a week goes buy and Ive not brought something, even though I do around three armies a year.

Yeah, Darth Bob, you truly heard one of the GW mouth-breathers there...

Usually, its a sermon of 'glue, paint, brushes' here, so anyone visiting a GW store buying minis has to deny some additional sales rather than
additional boxes/blisters.

One day, walked into a store and grabbed what I wanted from a list.
Some Marines, some Guard and a third army I am not sure which it was ( Inq or necron? ) none of it troops or HQ.
At the counter, first suggestion was to get the AoBR box too.
So what? Nothing hinted at me starting the Hobby or any interest in orks....
Still took the staffer 5 minutes of debate and a threathening stare of mine to realize I wont buy this box.

Maybe its good their staffers here are rather small people...

Seems they got a 'sell our actual boxed set NOW' order, can't think of anything than space hulk,AoBR,or apoc formations shoved at customers.
But if we also look at their managers, they look so similar, maybe they re all clones?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Is this for real?
Genuinely honestly 100% bona fide fact?

If you mean the sales quota stuff then yeah, I'm friends with several staff/former staff at my local GW and that's exactly how it works, apparently.

Thanks
In which case GW staff are caught between a rock and a hard place and ought to be given a bit of slack.

However the worst stories above are exempt from sympathy. Don't like hard sell, and the guy who earns my trust is likely to get my pennies. (Does that sound euphemistic? )

imho Asking if you need "batteries" or accessories is a valid question as Solo said.

Yeah, the quotas (targets) are not only real but a PITA for staff. When boxes are out they HAVE to offer them with all sales, pretty much - moronic directives from GW HQ, sadly.

I solve this problem by having never entered a store since the 2nd edition launch day. Interestingly it makes it rather hard to 'upsell' (what an awful travesty of a word that is) to me.

The only thing I get is the website ramming their 'Free Delivery in May/June/July/August.....' down my throat. Bloody faceless corporate slave masters!

My local games workshop in Amsterdam never does this. Thankfully.

I one time complained that my spay gun pot fell right out of the spray gun and they gave me a new pot

The LOTR box set!

Bleekch!

The books bored the hell out of me, the movies were cool, but I've got too many fantasy nut friends who love it and have had to sit thru the nineteen hours of deleted scenes of frodo scratching his belly lint too many times to care.

When I remarked something along these lines he kept trying to plug it for about ten minutes even after I steered the conversation back to IG because I guess I hit a nerve with him.

Awkward...

Thankfully he doesn't work there anymore, and I make sure never to stand between a LOTR fan and his ring!

@Darth Bob

Wow, I'm sure glad I've never been to that GW

I've never bought anything bigger than an SM Bike in-store (not since 2003 or something). Usually I just stop-in to either play or buy a paint pot.

I've certainly never been made to feel bad though I can remember one time going into a Games Workshop when I turned up in a town early to meet my friends (I had brought my 40k because I knew I'd be early) and it was just the manager and his apprentice-manager or w/e they call the trainee. I sat in there, said I had nowhere to go and asked for a game despite the fact they were quite busy (no customers meant an opportunity to paint some Skaven they needed to do for some event with another store)

So yeah, I did get a game from the manager, who left his slave painting; but gee did he make me feel uncomfortable.


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I should add that I have been in that store a few times and whilst I think the manager can be a jerk (I got in a few arguments with him about pricing strategies)... I never really had a bad experience there.

Me - "Well i have a fully painted Empire army"
GW Worker - "Maybe you'd be interested in the Colors of the Empire book ... it has some some great ideas for Empire color schemes"
Me - " .... maybe not"
GW Worker - "Are you sure because the artwork is fantastic"
Me - "... i'm not sure your hearing the fully painted part"

You guys actually pay retail?

tgf wrote:You guys actually pay retail?

If you go into a LGWS regularly and play games you kinda have to, its not fair to use the facilities of a local store and not contribute to its running. Maybe its just me, but I would rather pay 30% extra and have somewhere to game, paint, and people to talk to.

But to be fair I think if you take out a £600 Marine Army then the store manager should leave you be bar nagging you to perhaps try a new army...

When there was a GW store near where I live in Colorado (the Colorado mills mall, it closed down before I got back from college in California which kinda sucked), I only ever went there to game because the store was a good 45 minuet drive away, although I did go there when they had this one really big sale where they were auctioning off a bunch of blisters and such (that was back in...'04-'05 I think). The staff was usually informative and friendly and of the 1 or 2 times that I did buy something there the guy at the cash register would say "got every thing you need?" with paint, brushes and stuff like that. A lot like making sure to ask if I would like to get batteries for the camera I'm going to buy kinda thing.

Unreal Toast wrote:Ive actually never experianced a GW staff trying to sell me anything, ive always found them to be incredibly friendly and very helpfull. either their trained in mind manipulation of they really are friendly helpful people.

Yep. Me too.

I dont have any GW's in like a 300 mile radius of my town, so i go to different hobbyshops to buy my GW stuff. When I first got into the hobby, i went downtown looking for a rulesbook or a starter set. I go into a store and talk to this woman at the cash register. she says that she will order a copy of the 40k rules book for me. I agree and she writres it down on a note pad and tells me to come back in a week. A week later i come back to the store to pick up my rules book. I go to the cash register and she hands me a large book that says Dark Heresy on the cover. I stare at it for a second and try to tell her that this is clearly not the book I was looking for, but she insists. I glance at the back of the book and then hand her my money and walk out the door. Right about then I open up the front cover and read "a Warhammer 40000 based game" and see on the index a section called "character creation" I go into the store and demand a refund. after about an hour of aguing and hearing that "the Warhammer 40000 rulebook is out of print" and I get my refund.

Not GW related but puts things into perspective if you think some Redshirts are bad, ages ago my godparents were visiting and popped to the corner shop for a block of icecream.

They said they did have some cabbages.
Apparently this is 100% true. kid you not

How the mind doth boggle!

Radi87 wrote:

tgf wrote:You guys actually pay retail?

If you go into a LGWS regularly and play games you kinda have to, its not fair to use the facilities of a local store and not contribute to its running. Maybe its just me, but I would rather pay 30% extra and have somewhere to game, paint, and people to talk to.

The LGS around here all have some sort of discount club/program to get around 20/25% off on the big purchases.

Space Hulk.
Whilst buying Space hulk.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Space Hulk.
Whilst buying Space hulk.

one to paint, one to save?

they tried to make me buy a baneblade and a shadowsword and a Battle Company
I swear they thought i was full of money when i said I have 350 marines.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Space Hulk.
Whilst buying Space hulk.

one to paint, one to save?

I don't even know, I just gave him a 'Son, I am disspoint' look, handed over the cash, and left without a word. I suspect it was one to paint and one to save, but I am only a sad little 14 year old and not made of cash. Hell, I have only painted one terminator (badly) and one Genestealer (badly) from my first copy. I guess I kind of brought it on myself, as I hadn't even intended to buy Spulk. Sadly, they discovered my one weakness.

That I am weak.

From my experiences with every official GW store here, I would advise people to never accept the advice of a GW store worker without checking what they're saying out online or with your head.

I've been told:
"Sentinels are amazing, plasma cannons and they cost like what, 40 points? Anything that could ever kill them costs more than that anyway!" (In fact, sentinel costs 75 points.)

"Island of Blood is amazing, putting your lord on a griffon is great because no one is gonna shoot it because it's not a dragon. High Elf Reavers are hard to kill, they've got a 5+ armor save (they're also T3 and EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF TOUGH.) They can take bows (S3 one shot.) Lothern Sea Guard aren't overpriced at only 13 points each and you get a spear and a bow. (I tell him I already have enough spearmen) Yeah man, but these have bows, we've never made Sea Guard models before. (Sea Guard are just holding spears, they're just spearmen with a symbol on the shield.)

"An IG squad can take a chimera, it has 6 fire points and they can fire like 5 blast templates wounding on 2+" (Someone "I think it has 5 fire points") "No it has 6."

"Nah, apocalypse is balanced, you can bring just some infantry against a titan, it'll just ignore you so you can get stuff done."

(Someone asks how much each Leman Russ is)
"Oh, I think they're around the same price, they all cost exactly the same points in game." (150 for basic russ compared to 230 points for Executioner with the 5x plasma he was talking about in actuality.)

"Storm Troopers are AMAZINGLY good. S3 AP3 lasguns? Incredible. I don't care how high I need to roll to wound because I'm ignoring that armor, so strength doesn't matter. I'm taking a whole dice away." (8 ST + 2 meltas is 185 points. 7 Vets + 3 meltas is 100 points. F that nonsense.)

Some other stuff as well, this is from 2 different official GW stores. It frightens me that I know people who ask rules questions to them and say "His answer must be right, he works for GW" about the guys who try to sell everyone the worst units ever made.

TheBloodGod wrote:
From my experiences with every official GW store here, I would advise people to never accept the advice of a GW store worker without checking what they're saying out online or with your head.

I've been told:
"Sentinels are amazing, plasma cannons and they cost like what, 40 points? Anything that could ever kill them costs more than that anyway!" (In fact, sentinel costs 75 points.)

"Island of Blood is amazing, putting your lord on a griffon is great because no one is gonna shoot it because it's not a dragon. High Elf Reavers are hard to kill, they've got a 5+ armor save (they're also T3 and EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF TOUGH.) They can take bows (S3 one shot.) Lothern Sea Guard aren't overpriced at only 13 points each and you get a spear and a bow. (I tell him I already have enough spearmen) Yeah man, but these have bows, we've never made Sea Guard models before. (Sea Guard are just holding spears, they're just spearmen with a symbol on the shield.)

"An IG squad can take a chimera, it has 6 fire points and they can fire like 5 blast templates wounding on 2+" (Someone "I think it has 5 fire points") "No it has 6."

"Nah, apocalypse is balanced, you can bring just some infantry against a titan, it'll just ignore you so you can get stuff done."

(Someone asks how much each Leman Russ is)
"Oh, I think they're around the same price, they all cost exactly the same points in game." (150 for basic russ compared to 230 points for Executioner with the 5x plasma he was talking about in actuality.)

"Storm Troopers are AMAZINGLY good. S3 AP3 lasguns? Incredible. I don't care how high I need to roll to wound because I'm ignoring that armor, so strength doesn't matter. I'm taking a whole dice away." (8 ST + 2 meltas is 185 points. 7 Vets + 3 meltas is 100 points. F that nonsense.)

Some other stuff as well, this is from 2 different official GW stores. It frightens me that I know people who ask rules questions to them and say "His answer must be right, he works for GW" about the guys who try to sell everyone the worst units ever made.

That Reminds me of my brother
They tried to make him buy more elven spearmen. When he had over 275 Spearmen. and 100 Archers XD. He loves sales.

Asherian Command wrote:they tried to make me buy a baneblade and a shadowsword and a Battle Company
I swear they thought i was full of money when i said I have 350 marines.

Asherian Command wrote:That Reminds me of my brother They tried to make him buy more elven spearmen. When he had over 275 Spearmen. and 100 Archers XD. He loves sales.

If I didn't know better I'd think you were trying to rub in our faces that you're fabulously wealthy? ;P

Henners91 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:they tried to make me buy a baneblade and a shadowsword and a Battle Company
I swear they thought i was full of money when i said I have 350 marines.

Asherian Command wrote:That Reminds me of my brother They tried to make him buy more elven spearmen. When he had over 275 Spearmen. and 100 Archers XD. He loves sales.

If I didn't know better I'd think you were trying to rub in our faces that you're fabulously wealthy? ;P

no. Unlike most people I work for my money. Plus. 350 marines i got from my friends in total i spent 400$ on them. My brother he spent 700$ on his elves.
I just think it is funny that they would want use to buy stuff like that. Seriously I have enough stop attacking me XD

They bugged me about buying stuff until they met my dad. Now they leave me alone.

Reminds me of one of the staff at the GW I previously mentioned. (I think he might work at a different GW now though) He'd been playing tau since they came out. I went in with some stealth suits that I'd bought and painted up on an impulse. We got to talking about the colour scheme I'd used, he asked me if he could use it on his quite large tau army (containing a lot of stealth suits) that was still almost totally unpainted. I said sure. Then I asked about his list, went something like:

GW: Crisis commander with bodyguard, guns etc
Ktulhut: Yip
GW: Second crisis HQ with bodyguard etc
Ktulhut: MmmHmm
GW: 3 crisis suits
Ktulhut: Yip
GW 3 crisis suits
Ktulhut: (to myself) must be only 6 stealth suits then...
GW: 3 more crisis suits
Ktulhut: O rly?
GW: [tells me about his 6 troops choices]
Ktulhut: Ok.
GW: Fast attack; 6 stealth suits-
Ktulhut: Wait, WHAT?!
GW: I have three units of six stealth suits for fast attack.
Ktulhut: *shows staff member tau codex*
GW: Oh, @%#&!!!

He'd been working for them since the start of 3e, playing tau since they came out, and simply hadn't noticed his mistake in the what, 9 years since he'd started playing the army. Great guy, but no one should think the red shirt makes them any better or more knowledgeable with the rules than any of us are.

I'd also like to add that I don't mind being "upsold" paint, glue etc because I often do need it, and too many times have I gone home only to discover I'm out of spray/poly cement/whatever. The funny thing about my local GW is that the "regular" staff just ask me if I need any glue or paint (because they can see the $300 stack of minis already on the counter), but the manager will see that, and then spend ten minutes plus extolling the virtues of whatever it is he's got too many of on the shelf this week in the hopes he can unload it onto me. He's a tool if ever there was one.

I've only shopped in a GW store once, and had no problems. 5 years ago I went to the Carousel Mall in Syracuse, New York to bring my sister to her first year of college. I stopped in, found the store and hung out for about a half hour or so, just pouring over the racks of boxes and blisters. I chatted with the store workers for a bit, saw them demoing the battle of maccragge boxset and was asked if I wanted to try it out-I declined because I had no interest in 40k at the time. After that I picked up 3 blisters of chaos minotaurs for the chaos army I was starting, was asked politely if I needed anything else, told them that I only had 40 in cash on me (minotaurs were still 12 there at the time) and received the words "thanks, have a great day and enjoy" when I was leaving. Excellent experience. It was a real shame when it closed down, because after I went there I constantly wanted to visit my sister at school, just to go to the mall-I even offered to pick her up on winter break just to take a trip, but then went in the mall to find out the store had closed and a rip-off game store took its place-sold GW with a lot of models at least 20% marked up. Some were normal price, some overly expensive. New plastic black orcs at the time were 40 bucks there instead of 25 because the store owners couldn't tell the difference between the old metal and the new plastic. When I asked him about it, he just responded with "That's the price. Take it or leave it." I left it. Got me some $8 mounted Diaznettes instead

Not exactly selling but just the overall attitude and cluelessness of some GW employees.

This is back in 7th edition fantacy.

There was this one GW manager at my local store who had been doing the hobby for I think 8 years or something, and within around 6 months of starting fantacy I beat him on a regular basis. We really didnt see eye to eye but he knew I was good at list building so one day he asked for my opinion on his Vampire counts list (sorry for those of you who dont know fantacy well, you might not get half of this)

GW: Hey man check this list out for me?
Zee: Sure. (*Looks at the first 3 things he has written down*) Ok, problem.
GW: What?
Zee: The only magic you have in your entire army is a Lvl 2 Vampire.
GW: So?
Zee: ... Youre playing VAMPIRE COUNTS.
GW: Well man, see I have these 2 units of Blood Knights here so I dont really need the Magic, I'll just run through things.
Zee: Ok but what if they get tarpitted?
GW: Nah they wont.
Zee: (thinks to himself) "Yes they will..." (*Looks at rest of the list*) Hey good news you might be able to get the points for another wizard after all.
GW: Why would I take something out this list is great?
Zee: Really, well you only have 1 core choice so you better start removing a blood knight unit.

My friend once came to GW really early as soon as they opened, sat down at the painting station which can seat 6 people total and starts reading a Codex. The same GW manager comes over to him.

GW: Hey man what'cha doing?
Friend: Oh, just checking out the Tau Codex.
GW: Yea... see, this is a paint bar, you gotta be working on models to sit here, sometimes this bar gets flooded.
Friend: (Looks around: the only people in the store are him, one other guy who is painting, and the manager) You're kidding right?
GW: No, sorry this bar gets very crowded sometimes and we have to make space for people who need to paint.
Friend: *Bursts into Laughter, then slowly stops laughing because the Manager is looking at him angerly.* Wait, you really are serious?
GW: Yea.
Friend: WTF. Are you blind?

One tried to sell me an over priced measuring tape even though I told him I own one . Then tried to sell me a brush again which I already have. Then when he tried to sell me gk For my space marine army I just went home.

Ktulhut wrote:Went to buy 3 copies of space hulk (one to paint/play, one to put up the back of a cupboard and another as a gift), so ALREADY going to give them a ton of cash.

GW manager saw me looking at the new space wolves boxes, and spent the next half hour trying to sell me a $1500 space wolf army complete with 5 thunderwolves and drop pods for every unit, despite me telling him straight up it wasn't happening when he started and again every 2 minutes after that, and doing everything in his power to not sell me my space hulks without any space wolves. If there had been ANY other way for me to get those 3 space hulks I'd have walked out of the store (as I have before when dealing with this guy), but I needed them and the only other staffer was busy running an apoc game for all the kiddies and couldn't help.

So a GW manager tried to sell you a complete army with a unit that GW doesn't even produce ?

Probably meant the Canis model Irdiumstern-5 copies of that bugger....

Who would want 5 of that piece of crap?

Iago wrote:Did not happen to me but to a kid in store:

GW- So what army are you looking to start?
Kid- Well these look cool (points at Tau box)
GW- Well those guys rock...

He then proceeded to explain to the kid how awesome those firewarriors were and how they were even good in close combat!... at that point my friend stepped in and confronted the GW employee for pitching crap.

Lowl

Happened to me too. Except I knew what I was doing

GW- Hey dude, buying something today?
ME- Yeah, I'm looking at a box of these guys. How many do you have in the back? I need a bunch (Cadians, )
GW- Yeah, they're cadians. They worship the emperor. they're not as cool as these guys, space marines bawww
ME- Yeah..I knew that...
GW- Lemme go check. I think we've got like three more boxes.

I just left after that. Walked out with my hand on my face

Irdiumstern wrote:
So a GW manager tried to sell you a complete army with a unit that GW doesn't even produce ?

timetowaste85 wrote:Probably meant the Canis model Irdiumstern-5 copies of that bugger....

Yip, 5 canis wolfborn models. Because he ordered too many and nobody was buying them.

What a surprise....a guy who looks goofy and like an Ultimate Avengers version of Thor who forgot to wash...ever. And of course he's riding on top of a cartoon-wolf-thing that looks like it just took a 10-foot long enema. The mods may hit me for that comment being "not forum friendly"

When I first started playing (late 4e? when you could get 20 Cadians for 25 US dollars?) I was a few years younger and desided to play IG (The idea of play the Army of "normal guys" appealed to me, to many Captain Americas.) and went to buy a box, seeing as I could only afford a single box. And the conversation went like this:

Staff: So your buying JUST one box of cadians?
Me: Yes?
Staff: I'm guessing you missed were the codex's are?
Me: I already have one.
Staff: Okay, do you have, say, another 20 or so of those, and 3 commad squads?
Me: No, I'm just now starting, and I thought it would be cool to play IG.
Staff: Well, you HAVE to buy those other 20 and a few Command squads to be able to play.
Me: I know, but I'm fine with these 20 for now, so I can get use to building these guys.
Staff: Do you have paint?
Me: not personally, but my dad does.
Staff: How about rules and templates.
Me: Yes.
Staff: Then get some more cadians!
Me: *gives him the, I understood everything you just said look* And I said I'm fine with just these, thank you. And another thing, I'd appreciate you not cussing me out, or I just might "slip" my hand when filling out the questionnaire.
Staff: ... Your bluffing.
Me: *reaches for the questionaire* Am I?
Staff: Okay, Okay, don't report me and I'll give you the stuff you need!
Me: *smiles* Okay, you got your self a deal.



I really was bluffing.

I got one. they tried to make me buy a Flipping titan.... I'm not made of money. I have to work for my money :*(
When i do it takes at least 6 months just to get enough money to buy a venerable dreadnought

Asherian Command wrote:I got one. they tried to make me buy a Flipping titan.... I'm not made of money. I have to work for my money :*(
When i do it takes at least 6 months just to get enough money to buy a venerable dreadnought

Plastic is easier to get yet they jack the prices.

Crazy, Eh?

Ktulhut wrote:

Irdiumstern wrote:
So a GW manager tried to sell you a complete army with a unit that GW doesn't even produce ?

timetowaste85 wrote:Probably meant the Canis model Irdiumstern-5 copies of that bugger....

Yip, 5 canis wolfborn models. Because he ordered too many and nobody was buying them.

Same deal happened at my FLGS. They ordered 5 Canis kits, and noooooobody bought them. I remember when I was considering buying/converting some Thunderwolves (which I eventually did, out of HeroScape models) the regular worker there jokingly tried to push me to buy 4 of them. Probably the most ridiculous thing that anyone ever tried to get me to buy, but it was just a joke.

Cambak wrote:When I first started playing (late 4e? when you could get 20 Cadians for 25 US dollars?) I was a few years younger and desided to play IG (The idea of play the Army of "normal guys" appealed to me, to many Captain Americas.) and went to buy a box, seeing as I could only afford a single box. And the conversation went like this:

Staff: So your buying JUST one box of cadians?
Me: Yes?
Staff: I'm guessing you missed were the codex's are?
Me: I already have one.
Staff: Okay, do you have, say, another 20 or so of those, and 3 commad squads?
Me: No, I'm just now starting, and I thought it would be cool to play IG.
Staff: Well, you HAVE to buy those other 20 and a few Command squads to be able to play.
Me: I know, but I'm fine with these 20 for now, so I can get use to building these guys.
Staff: Do you have paint?
Me: not personally, but my dad does.
Staff: How about rules and templates.



Me: Yes.
Staff: Then get some more cadians!
Me: *gives him the, I understood everything you just said look* And I said I'm fine with just these, thank you. And another thing, I'd appreciate you not cussing me out, or I just might "slip" my hand when filling out the questionnaire.
Staff: ... Your bluffing.
Me: *reaches for the questionaire* Am I?
Staff: Okay, Okay, don't report me and I'll give you the stuff you need!
Me: *smiles* Okay, you got your self a deal.



I really was bluffing.

your so cool threatning to take someones job away because they were doing what they are told to do, he was only doing his job and i tihink your lucky nerds are a gentle people

Melissia wrote:A Space Marine tactical squad after I told them I was buying a Rhino for my Sisters.

Maybe he thought your sisters were playing Space Marines

Jubear wrote:your so cool threatning to take someones job away because they were doing what they are told to do, he was only doing his job and i tihink your lucky nerds are a gentle people

Or else what? He'd escalate his thuggery to physical violence?

If his idea of good sales technique is to swear at customers for not buying more, he needs to be fired. If his manager doesn't think this is a problem, he needs to be fired.

Jubear wrote:
your so cool threatning to take someones job away because they were doing what they are told to do, he was only doing his job and i tihink your lucky nerds are a gentle people

You do realize a lot of these, "So I says to the guy, I says..." stories are complete and utter fabrications, right? Designed to make the individual telling the story look a lot more ballsy than they actually were in the situation?

Well, I have an actual "so he says, so I say" but the store wasn't from GW (we have none in my country).

Me: ... and perhaps some Blood Claws.

Store guy: Nah, they suck, stick to Grey Hunters and you're all good.

Me: Okies.

There's not a single GW store within three hundred miles of where I live, so their reputation is foreign to me. Present, but distant, as if from a far-off land, much like the reputation of the Orient as being a source of spice.

But there are game stores in Louisville that sell Games Workshop products, and not a single one to which I've been has employed people that are anything but helpful and friendly.

And I get the products below retail, too, since I'm part of a weekly 40k group at one... which nets me a 10% discount on just about everything I buy there.

If they try and sell you more start haggling on price. Bulk sales and all that

Well, for me it’s a bit of a tie:

*The ‘official’ Games Workshop water cup to clean my paint brushes. I think it was about $4 USD.

or


*A small bag of plain sand that was about $10. I live in a beach community.

Not really high dollar amounts but totally ridiculous, IMO.

The only up sales I've had were for glue, paint, and ork boys when I said I had started a small ork army.

Nothing wrong with any of that, honestly. I guess I have a reasonable FLGS manager.

Hmm quite a lot of random IG stuff (including a Valkyrie) when the new codex came out.

gw staffer "You getting into IG then?"
me "Just getting the new rules, use them in my Witch Hunters"
gw "Awe cool then you want the Valkyrie, it'll be awesome"
me "Don't think they can take that"
gws "Sure they can, just take the WH as Guard allies"
me "No that won't work, I have Penitent engines and an exorcist"
gws "Have you actually read the allies rule mate?"
me "Yes I have, now here's the money for the book thank you"

I have nothing against helpful suggestions but the there is a logical reason why I don't want it and here it is followed by well buy it anyway can be a bit irritating.

The glue and paint thing on the other hand is fine, as people say it's the same as batteries and fries.

I've had some odd experiences:

*Me looking at some Ork blisters*
GW: So like Orks mate... right on. *way too enthusiastic*
Me: Well yeah... *sort of unnerved*
GW: These guys are the best you know, like seriously Marines ain't got gak on them *holds up two boxes of Tank Bustas*
Me: Aren' those guys like semi-slowed? Stupid Vehicle Rage rule thingy?
GW: No way. They can outshoot anything. They even go great with these guys called Flash Gitz - (I KID YOU NOT HE HONESTLY SAID THAT)
Me: *looks over at a table with an ork army and marine army setup for a battle* those your boyz?
GW: *beaming with pride* Uh hu this is my personal army.
Me: You realize you have too many kans, not enough runtherderz, the SAG is not going to hit anything up there and those stormboyz are going to assault a Land Raider without any PKs?
GW: You obviously don't understand how orks really work, or how SMs work either, I could show with a demo game?
Me: I think that applies to you, you have both sides deployed badly, and illegally, there's too many heavy support choices on the table and the marines need another Troops unit. *facepalm and moving to the exit*
GW: Nah its totally legal mate, totally legit.

Another store, another moron in sales, although this wasn't me, some kid, mid-teens, was buying stuff:

GW: Tactical squad and a rhino, right, so you know what else you need? You need these guys. *points to a couple of boxes stacked on the counter, all DA squads*
Kid: No thanks. I'm new to this but my brother told me what I needed
GW: No seriously you can mix and match the bits so all your stuff is Dark Angels.
Kid: No I really know what I want thank you sir..
GW: I'd also grab a Space Wolf boxset too so you can really make them cool.
Kid: No thanks sir, my big brother told me that dark angels and space wolves were for fa**ots and cheaters and you can't mix them anyway because the codexes don't work that way and the models would like slow marines. (All in one breathe)
GW:....
Kid: Thanks for the stuff.

I cracked up laughing and got banned from the store for making fun of the redshirt.

Honestly when a newby can tell that its an idiot on the other side of the counter...

Only ever had two problems at my LGS Jesters Cap.
First one:
A couple kids from canada came down to get into 40k, cheaper with the exchange rate & all, and one wanted orks while the other wanted CSM.
The current staffer was the "Magic girl" (played almost exclusively MTG) she tried to push them on the ork battleforce, CSM battle force, core rulebook, and a bunch of other things to kids who had never played before.
Normally I would have left well enough alone, she's asked me for help on 40k sales before because she knows I tend to read every codex, but then I heard this "Well we're out of the CSM codex but we do have the previous edition which will work just fine, there's only minor changes"
Now I had to step in, As they were new I didn't want them to get sticker shocked by the full cost (around $600) after a while I convince them to get the aobr set as it has everything they need to start a few games & see if they like it (12 year old kids change their mind like the tides) and the SM models could be converted and painted to be CSM. I know it's not the best but for the money they spent I was more than happy.
"Magic girl" just have me an evil look and I told her "I'm sorry, ban me if you must, but I care more about customer service than bottom line sales" - I don't even work there, I just treat most jobs like that.

Second one same store, different staffer:
My friend had started playing BA, curse him, and he wanted a rhino to go with the death company he had bought. They were out but shipments come in friday so we waited til then. No rhinos, whatever, we waited another week & still nothing.
He talked to the owner and the owner forgot to order them & his order was placed this week so it'd be another 2 weeks minimum. He turns to me and asks if I know any other LGS, before I can even answer the staffer flips the frak out on us & threatens to ban us. I haven't been back since. Not my fault you can't order things correctly.

Jubear wrote:your so cool threatning to take someones job away because they were doing what they are told to do, he was only doing his job and i tihink your lucky nerds are a gentle people

What? You'd rather have an offensive (if the cussing out part is true), pushy sales rep continuing to work there? There's far better ways to try and get someone to buy product than "Oh, you need these if you ever want to play."

Jubear wrote:

Cambak wrote:
Look at above post

your so cool threatning to take someones job away because they were doing what they are told to do, he was only doing his job and i tihink your lucky nerds are a gentle people

I threatened his job because he was cussing out a kid, or did you miss out on the and ?

Seaward wrote:

Jubear wrote:
your so cool threatning to take someones job away because they were doing what they are told to do, he was only doing his job and i tihink your lucky nerds are a gentle people

You do realize a lot of these, "So I says to the guy, I says..." stories are complete and utter fabrications, right? Designed to make the individual telling the story look a lot more ballsy than they actually were in the situation?

yeah I gathered that Ive worked as a salesmen my entire adult life and I assure you ive never seen anyone fired over a customers complaint it just annoys the hell out of me to see so many spineless little know it alls acting like they got a set

I've seen it.

To be fair he made sexual comments about a regulars girlfriend. And then managed to call GW HQ "Nazis".

Yes, this was his first week.

Jubear wrote:

Seaward wrote:

Jubear wrote:
your so cool threatning to take someones job away because they were doing what they are told to do, he was only doing his job and i tihink your lucky nerds are a gentle people

You do realize a lot of these, "So I says to the guy, I says..." stories are complete and utter fabrications, right? Designed to make the individual telling the story look a lot more ballsy than they actually were in the situation?

yeah I gathered that Ive worked as a salesmen my entire adult life and I assure you ive never seen anyone fired over a customers complaint it just annoys the hell out of me to see so many spineless little know it alls acting like they got a set

Then you've never been to West Virginia.

Jubear wrote:
yeah I gathered that Ive worked as a salesmen my entire adult life and I assure you ive never seen anyone fired over a customers complaint it just annoys the hell out of me to see so many spineless little know it alls acting like they got a set

I've certainly seen people fired over customer complaints.

What I've never seen is a quota-based salesperson trying to flog a couple extra dollars worth of stuff on a fourteen year-old only to have the lights go dim, "Eye of the Tiger" start playing in the background, and the kid come up with an epic line that leaves said salesperson absolutely gobsmacked, humbled, weeping blood, and begging the child to forgive him for his folly, as half these posts suggest happened.

Nor, for the record, have I ever seen such a thing involving an adult. Generally speaking, people politely simper and go, "Nah, thanks."

Seaward wrote:

Jubear wrote:
yeah I gathered that Ive worked as a salesmen my entire adult life and I assure you ive never seen anyone fired over a customers complaint it just annoys the hell out of me to see so many spineless little know it alls acting like they got a set

I've certainly seen people fired over customer complaints.

What I've never seen is a quota-based salesperson trying to flog a couple extra dollars worth of stuff on a fourteen year-old only to have the lights go dim, "Eye of the Tiger" start playing in the background, and the kid come up with an epic line that leaves said salesperson absolutely gobsmacked, humbled, weeping blood, and begging the child to forgive him for his folly, as half these posts suggest happened.

Nor, for the record, have I ever seen such a thing involving an adult. Generally speaking, people politely simper and go, "Nah, thanks."

That would be awesome to see though

Seaward wrote:

Jubear wrote:
yeah I gathered that Ive worked as a salesmen my entire adult life and I assure you ive never seen anyone fired over a customers complaint it just annoys the hell out of me to see so many spineless little know it alls acting like they got a set

I've certainly seen people fired over customer complaints.

What I've never seen is a quota-based salesperson trying to flog a couple extra dollars worth of stuff on a fourteen year-old only to have the lights go dim, "Eye of the Tiger" start playing in the background, and the kid come up with an epic line that leaves said salesperson absolutely gobsmacked, humbled, weeping blood, and begging the child to forgive him for his folly, as half these posts suggest happened.

Nor, for the record, have I ever seen such a thing involving an adult. Generally speaking, people politely simper and go, "Nah, thanks."

Except half of these posts don't.

The majority are just
(sales person says something massively slowed)
and customer replies
(I'll just buy this, thanks.)

And no, I don't think telling some new person to just pick up assault on black reach is a climactic eye of the tiger event. I do find it sad there's a guy who's been a store clerk his whole adult life trying to insult anyone not defending some dumb*** store clerk trying to curse out some new kid into buying bad units. Should that guy have a job in retail if he did? Nope.

At our FLGS also cards, comics, sports memrobillia, used video games ect the owner doesn't play any games however he has filled a lot of the display cases with amazing mini's and resin statues he's painted. He'll also compliment painting and modeling that he likes and harrass people if it's unpainted.

However he likes to reccommend the paint that you are least likely to use I don't know if he's trying to be funny or inspirational. When I went to buy my death company he said "oooh! Death Company, I think you need some Tentacle Pink. and placed two pots on the counter." And I just said screw it, and bought them anyways, as I had some pink horrors just waiting for some love at home.

Jubear wrote:yeah I gathered that Ive worked as a salesmen my entire adult life and I assure you ive never seen anyone fired over a customers complaint it just annoys the hell out of me to see so many spineless little know it alls acting like they got a set

We don't like being lied to.

We're savvy enough to know when we're being lied to.

Based on your comments in this thread, you've never worked as a salesman, or you're an extremely bad one.

I've worked in sales. Cell phones, in fact. And not even for the majority of my adult life - I only did it for a little over a year. However, in that time, I have absolutely seen people fired over customer complaints, especially customer complaints that involved the salesperson cussing out the customer.

Don't open your mouth until you actually know a thing or two about the topic. Thanks.

My GW guy is a nice person but a store rule is that all players must have their own Rulebook, Codex, Dice and Templates plus all their models undercoated unless they have just been purchased. I always think they are trying to flog this to you unsuspectingly.

A personal story is when I came two get a TAGK w/ Psycannon (for conversion to Inquisitor Lord) and a different GW guy came and told me I needed the (then) new FW GK Redeemer for £60 so he can 'survive the run into battle'. WTF???!!!

Not my story, but on a different thread, someone wrote of when they were going to make a $300-400 USD purchase of 40k stuff, and as they went to the counter, the GW employee pestered him asking "do you play LoTR?" He explained that he had no interest, and as he was checking out, the clerk swiped the LoTR "Battalion/battleforfce" box, saying "you should try it out". After telling a nearby mother to cover her child's ears, harsh words starting with F were exchanged, along with walking out empty handed.

Seaward wrote:

Jubear wrote:
yeah I gathered that Ive worked as a salesmen my entire adult life and I assure you ive never seen anyone fired over a customers complaint it just annoys the hell out of me to see so many spineless little know it alls acting like they got a set

I've certainly seen people fired over customer complaints.

What I've never seen is a quota-based salesperson trying to flog a couple extra dollars worth of stuff on a fourteen year-old only to have the lights go dim, "Eye of the Tiger" start playing in the background, and the kid come up with an epic line that leaves said salesperson absolutely gobsmacked, humbled, weeping blood, and begging the child to forgive him for his folly, as half these posts suggest happened.

Nor, for the record, have I ever seen such a thing involving an adult. Generally speaking, people politely simper and go, "Nah, thanks."

That's a frakking awesome mental image! Also for the record, I am an adult, not a wee 'un. And trust me, when you've had half an hour of politely saying, "no thanks" to the pushiest salesman in the universe about the same things that he just really, really wants you to buy (for your own good of course, no-ones life is complete without 5 canis wolfborn figures, and the space wolf army to go with them...), come up with something to say to shut them up. Now, I've known this guy for about, oh, eight or nine years, so it wasn't a totally serious threat to never come back, but I did point out to him that the FLGS across town had started giving me a discount on all the GW I bought there, and that I'd be more than happy to receive discounts as well as not getting pushy staff pushing me, at which point he was snapped out of his canis-wolfborn-reverie and sold me my frickin' space hulks.

The irony of this story is that I did end up getting a space wolf army, when I wasn't being pressured into it. It's amazing how off-putting a pushy sales-rep can be.

I went to buy an avatar today and the dude said I should buy a forgeworld one....Wasn't I just buying a regular one? What's wrong with you /

Sadly, my local GW never did this, not even once. I played at the Block at Orange a couple years back, and some of the horror stories on here are terrible.

However, recently there's a new guy who's taken over the management, so I'm a tad loathe to return...

So, ive been reading alot of these stories, and im kinda ashamed to be a gamer. Both from sales and customer standpoint, See i have been selling GW and other Wargames and Hobby items for a few years now....and ive been around to mutiple stores in my area, and whatnot and i go to say i have never seen half as bad or even close to near as bad comments as i have on this thread. It makes me think either they are made up, or that some of you really ran into some really braindead people. however i do think a few of you are highly overreacting to salesfolks. Most of the time, they dont know you, know what you have, know what you know, or even have an inkling if you know more about the game then most other people who walk in the door cause they saw a cool "Army dude picture"

So if they are asking you questions try to remember unless you been a customer of theres for a very long time, they may not know what you are thinking



As a sales person a buddy of mine is walking into Playing IG now....he has played SM for years and now he wants to start a new IG army, i know the best ways for him to get what he wants the cheapest and easiest, including conversions, and he listens to a majority of what i say with a grain of salt, then bounces other ideas off of me "for instance He wishes to grab some IG Battalions....to bulk his forces up, but when i asked him his concept for this army, he isnt lookin into getting or useing Weapon squads or Sentinals.....so it would be better for him to just get his command squads and troopers serperatly...


So yeah, sometimes the Salesmen really is trying to just help ya all out =/


(however trying to sell 5 canis's to make Thunderwolves was done online and is a good idea, just cost effective? no frackin way....that was just a horrible way to try and offload some bad model choices on a old customer...)