...Specifically the twee idiocy that seems popular these days, like anal leakage from 4chan. Stuff like calling Rhinos "METAL BAWKSES!" or portmanteaus involving one army (like the Deathwing) having a similar configuration to another (like the "Loganwing") despite that army having a name of its own (Logan Grimnar's Great Company). Or the whole "Spes Mehrens" crap. Okay, we get it, you like South Park; how about you park that at the door and write like an adult, or at least someone posting in a wargaming forum rather than 4chan? Then there's innocuous but irritating jargony crap like "versing". My god, wouldn't you be embarrassed to say that in public where someone could hear you say that? This site even needs a special glossary so new posters aren't completely sidelined and excluded by the jargon and acronyms that get thrown around.

The thing that made me snap? "Magic bullets" in reference to Sternguard Special Ammunition. Okay, maybe you can't spell, or perhaps Ammunition is a bit of a handful despite the fact that you can type 60 words/minute. Seriously, what's the problem? I don't want to see Dakka Dakka become a LARP like Bolter & Chainsword, but the games have their own jargon and acronyms: you don't have to make this crap up. The worst part is that the sense of humour that originally attracted me to 40k is still out there, there's genuinely funny people on Dakka Dakka that make the place both entertaining and informative because they don't get involved in this sort of garbage. The worst part is that I see fewer and fewer of them posting, it's like the best of Dakka Dakka is giving up because of people smearing this fecal excuse for language across the forums.

If I were just to post this rant (yes, I acknowledge it's just a rant, after it disappears down the memory hole it's back to business as usual), the very next post in this thread would be something like "Hey, chill out, it's just a game of toy soldiers." Yes, it is a game of toy soldiers. More importantly, it's a ridiculous cartoony game of toy soldiers. There's plenty of ridiculousness in the background without including the sort of piss-taking people usually grow out of by the time they hit High School. When I was in Junior High my friends and I would nearly piss ourselves laughing by talking in what we called 'tard-talk' until a teacher cancelled a field trip because the teachers didn't want to be seen in public with us. It was fun, but it was also childish and stupid at a time when we didn't need any more childishness or stupidity in our lives. So why bring that sort of thing up in here? It's like going to an opera and the rest of the audience being filled with twits expecting a pantomime. It's great that you're here to have fun, but people go to the opera to have fun watching and listening to opera, not to be rude, obnoxious, and hell-bent on audience participation (well, not anymore, if you're familiar with the history of opera...).

There's plenty of worthless forums where you can go to ruin the online part of other people's hobbies, Warseer springing to mind. Dakka used to be where people may have been rough, rude, and even downright hostile, but at least what they wrote that was rough, rude, and hostile was worth reading.

Alright, I'm done, but I think I'm going to let someone else flush this floater.

Well said, my good sir.



I've no inkiling where or when "verse" became a verb - but any kid we catch at our club using it in such a way is made to make up improv poetry and is rewarded by being pelted with peanut shells.

Only one kid has done it more than twice - and I think he just does it to bask in the attention.

Stuff like Loganwing, Deffwing, or even the older Lysanderwing doesn't bother me at all. Even saying "magic bullets" or whatever is no big thing. That's stuff I can't really see people getting mad about. The whole "TEAM EDWARD MARINES AND TEAM JACOB MARINES LOL" crap was unfunny from the moment some mouthbreather dumped it out online though.

The "Spehss Mahreens" and "METAL BAWKSES" stuff came from awful voice work in Dawn of War games. I figured that was more of a Youtube meme than a 4chan one. I'll take some credit for propagating them there though. The problem is just that they get run into the ground. Soulstorm came out 2 years ago and Dawn of Awesome (with Boreale's infamous SPEHSS MAHREENS speech) is closing in on 200,000 views. Why that gets so much exposure and stuff I work on doesn't is beyond me. As much as I enjoyed the jokes and animations, I'm kinda tired of them which is why I ended the series with Dawn of Awesome 3. I'm not a fan of people spamming forums with quotes from them though.

What I'm trying to say is that yeah, a lot of it is stupid. People taking the piss out of things can be pretty funny. A lot of it is even funny at one point, but like with any Internet meme it gets run into the ground. However, the "Warhammer humor" threads are the worst. Complete and utter cesspools of attempted humor. Just 4chan memes that we all got tired of seeing here years ago, some of which were never even funny, and the same demotivationals and images of a Space Marine holding a plasma gun away from his face. Of course this gets started by a 13 year old poster who goes "LOL NEVAR SEEN DIS STUFF B4!" or something similarly obnoxious.

Tired and ranting yadda yadda

I agree, this is war, there should be some form of decorum. However I do think that you must take into consideration that some of the people on this site are those children in school that think it is funny to tear a good language to shreads, with their so called "witty remarks". I guess it is just one of those things we are going to have to live with, especially when most of these children are chatting on cellphones etc. I feel it not so much that they know what they pisses us off, but more the fact that they lack the mental capcity to do better.

Nurglitch wrote:...Specifically the twee idiocy that seems popular these days, like anal leakage from 4chan.

There a number of 40K memes that are quire trying. Sure, we all make fun of 40K, and no one is saying we shouldn't ('cept maybe Kanluwen), but so many of these are overdone.

Nurglitch wrote:Stuff like calling Rhinos "METAL BAWKSES!"

That's from Dawn of War. Can't really blame 4chan for that one, other than popularising it, because that's straight out of a GW licensed product.

Nurglitch wrote:portmanteaus involving one army (like the Deathwing) having a similar configuration to another (like the "Loganwing" despite that army having a name of its own (Logan Grimnar's Great Company).

That's just shorthand, no different to an abbreviation or acronym. Don't see a problem with that so much.

Nurglitch wrote:Or the whole "Spes Mehrens" crap.

Uhh... don't get me started on that one.

Sorry to our American friends here, but this meme stems from Americans not understanding the various British accents. He says Space Marines, with an 'a' not an 'eh'. It is a particular style of British accent and for those who know it, he says Spayce. Sorry, but the whole "Spehs Mehrens" thing really gaks me.

Nurglitch wrote:Okay, we get it, you like South Park

... although what any of this has to do with liking South Park is a bit of a stretch, ay ol' Nurgy?

Nurglitch wrote:Then there's innocuous but irritating jargony crap like "versing".

'Versing' isn't inherent to here or even 40K as a whole. That's generic.

Nurglitch wrote:My god, wouldn't you be embarrassed to say that in public where someone could hear you say that?

I know people who say "LOL", as in they actually say the word "LOL". That's pretty bad.

But for the most part, yes, I agree with you. The more Chan-esque memes are quite annoying. The ones started by Abadabadoodon and Kyoto? Instant gold!

Gaara wrote:I agree, this is war, there should be some form of decorum. However I do think that you must take into consideration that some of the people on this site are those children in school that think it is funny to tear a good language to shreads, with their so called "witty remarks". I guess it is just one of those things we are going to have to live with, especially when most of these children are chatting on cellphones etc. I feel it not so much that they know what they pisses us off, but more the fact that they lack the mental capcity to do better.

LOL this is war

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:portmanteaus involving one army (like the Deathwing) having a similar configuration to another (like the "Loganwing" despite that army having a name of its own (Logan Grimnar's Great Company).

That's just shorthand, no different to an abbreviation or acronym. Don't see a problem with that so much.

Neither do I, but we`ve reached a point where someone getting into the game is just bomarded by all the shorthands/acronyms and spends more time trying to figure out what the hell people are talking about than time playing. Double-tapping, Death Stars, Leafblowers, Fatecrusher. Obviously some can be figured out fairly easy, others, not so much. This was also discussed on some podcast lately and I have to agree. It becomes a bit annoying, especially if you havent actually been playing that long.

PS: I hate cats.

Double tab is actual military or special forces/SWAT jargon, isn't it?

Flachzange wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:portmanteaus involving one army (like the Deathwing) having a similar configuration to another (like the "Loganwing" despite that army having a name of its own (Logan Grimnar's Great Company).

That's just shorthand, no different to an abbreviation or acronym. Don't see a problem with that so much.

PS: I hate cats.

I like cats and this rant wasn't motivating enough...IMHO fail rant is fail.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Double tab is actual military or special forces/SWAT jargon, isn't it?

Police, para-military/military.

To put two rounds downwind into x is "double tapping". Easier to do with modern guns than older wheelguns (lighter triggers, etc).

I only use it around people who know what it means, and only in certain situations (eg, playing a military/para-military or security contractor type in an rpg).

With regard to rapid-fire weapons, it's "this unit, rapid-fire weapons, two shots each into them."
I don't think I've ever referred to it as "double tapping".

chromedog wrote:Police, para-military/military.

To put two rounds downwind into x is "double tapping". Easier to do with modern guns than older wheelguns (lighter triggers, etc).

Yeah that's what I thought. First place I ever heard it was on the original SWAT PC game by Sierra. That was a long time ago.

But my point was, really, that it's not fair to blame 40K players (or even Dakka) for 'double-tapping' becoming common parlance for rapid fire. It's a regular term, and when you Rapid Fire in 40K you send two shots downwind. Makes sense really.

This thread is ultimately the result of the phenomenon known as the "age gap". It occurs when children reach the adult stage and what once was acceptable becomes irrational and "childish". The OP said it himself that when he was younger he did the same type of behavior. Another example is the age old "volume of music" debate, when a person who listened to music at deafening volumes in his younger years starts screaming at those around him to "turn it down". At this point the said person has made the transition to old man and can know be labeled as "not cool".

But seriously my complaint is the jargon, if it wasn't for the translator for abbreviations on this forum I would be lost. Yet there are still hundreds of abbreviations that are not magically reveiled when I scroll over them and that is frustrating. Especially the abbreviations that have one of the words but obviously not the one that applies to the post. RP for example.

(yes I have transitioned into "adulthood")

I'm pretty solidly 'not military' (though I respect those who server, and play games with toy soldiers) but 'Double tap' is pretty common in a lot of games, i think... I know a few RPGs had specific rules for it as a point between single-shot fire and burst fire. I believe Deadlands Classic had a rule for this, for example. Was the mode of choice for taking out zombies if you could spare the ammo.

I'm not thrilled about the 'gamer shorthand' that Nurglitch mentions, but it's probably something I just need to learn to live with. Especially in wargames, there's a definite desire to quantify, compare, and rank things, and that kind of desire requires some jargon to label the niches every army list, character, etc. gets put into. It's better, for example, than just having a 'Sucks' and 'Rocks' category for everything.

While I agree in finding most memes and chan speak and the like to be trying, I'm confused why genuine jargon is lumped in with it.

Nicknames for army builds or techniques (loganwing, double tapping) are genuine jargon, part of the parlance of 40k. Yes, most communication experts agree that eliminating jargon is almost always a good thing, but find me a hobby, profession, or even group of friends that don't have a pretty consistent set of slang terms for complex terms.

Nurglitch wrote:(snip) Or the whole "Spes Mehrens" crap. (/snip)

I think you meant "spezz mehrinz"...

It doesn't bother me, but that's not to say I don't have my own pet peeves!

H.B.M.C. wrote:I know people who say "LOL", as in they actually say the word "LOL". That's pretty bad.

But for the most part, yes, I agree with you. The more Chan-esque memes are quite annoying. The ones started by Abadabadoodon and Kyoto? Instant gold!

Hahaha...I have to admit, people who actually say "LOL" in conversation make me question their social skills and connection to reality. I mean, really, you have to actually say, "LOL?" Why don't you, oh I don't know, actually laugh out loud. I mean, the person you're talking to is standing right there. They'll actually see you laughing and know you found the situation funny. If you feel the need to go to the bathroom, do you say to the buddy sitting next to you watching TV, "AFK, Bio?" Or, do you get up and say, "Be right back, gotta take a dump?" In my opinion, people who actually pepper conversation with chat-shorthand need to go outside more and avoid the PC for a while.

H.B.M.C. wrote:There a number of 40K memes that are quire trying. Sure, we all make fun of 40K, and no one is saying we shouldn't ('cept maybe Kanluwen), but so many of these are overdone.

Like your done to death copy-pasta joke regarding Warwick and Forge World.

Amen Brothers, Amen.

BrookM wrote:Like your done to death copy-pasta joke regarding Warwick and Forge World.

Warwick "Copypastadesasta" Kincaid is just a derogatory nickname, like Matt "C.S. Goto" Ward or Robbin "Arbitrary" Cruddance.

I agree that the chanian memes are pretty old material, and it does bug me when people repeatedly bring them up. I'll acknowledge them though by laughing when they are properly applied as a method of satire, such as when someone is complaining about how all marines are overpowered or some such nonsense. (I might say "oh yes, all Spess Mahreens are OP" before going on to explain the serious side of my disagreement).

Amongst my RL friends as well, we make use of plenty of memes in our daily interaction. It isn't a matter of immaturity; rather it's that our unique group dynamic uses the meme-style of broad in-jokes as a way to relieve tension and acknowledge our shared background.

I'm not sure what the issue with people using alternate terminology is. Perhaps others take this game more seriously, but amongst my group, WH40k is a lighthearted group activity (to be fair, we compete heavily, argue rules, and play to win, but we're all still friends when it's over). We as a group often use snarky comments about various rules and wargear to needle or poke fun at our opponents. For example, we often refer to the Soul Grinder's Phlegm attack as the "Snot Cannon" when we face the Daemons player, to voice our... displeasure that he would be so bold as to take a weapon capable of hurting our models. (/snark).

I certainly agree that there are plenty of people who overuse these terms, but I think there's a use to having alternate terms for various elements of 40k. Essentially what I'm talking about is this:

Scenario 1
Player A says: "Those guys right there. They're sterguard right?"
Player B responds: "Yeah, they're arriving by drop pod"
Player A then says: "Okay. And they have the Special Ammunition rule, correct?"
Player B says: "Yeah."

Scenario 2
Player A says: "Those guys right there. They're sterguard right?"
Player B responds: "Yeah, they're arriving by drop pod"
Player A then says: "Ah yes. And they have those pesky magic bullets right?"
Player B says: *chuckle* "Yeah."

In these two scenarios, there's quite a difference as far as subtext is concerned. Basically, the first scenario is just an exchange of information; confirming rules and identity, etc. The second scenario, however, is more than that. Player A uses the term "magic bullets" to connote that he is aware not only of the rule, but also of its "magic" applications, such as killing MCs or whatnot. By using this turn of phrase, he also is hinting to his opponent that he is aware of the unit's most likely function - a subtle way to poke a little fun at an opponent. His opponent, now aware of this, can laugh or whatever as a way of saying "yeah, you know, but there's nothing you can do about it!" in order to counter the psychological "warfare."

I'm not saying people should perpetually use blatantly wrong language, but I argue that there are certainly times when it can be appropriate (especially among friends, or when a certain tone is needed) to use certain turns of phrase different than that of the normal 40k vocabulary.

TL;DR: Overuse is bad. Use, however, is not always bad.

EDIT: What's "versing"?

I honestly get tired of the internet forum/blog nomenclature applied to army builds: Loganwing and Leafblower IG as good examples. My personal favorite is when someone comes up with a army build or model conversion, and all the sudden it's tied to their internet handle like they own it and no one has ever thought of it before.

"Versing" is a word young people use to describe playing another person.

"I'm versing you."

"I versed you yesterday."

They take "versus" and change it into a verb.

In much the same way as certain former US presidents.

To be honest, its water off a ducks back to me.
Granted sometimes it may get a bit annoying, but this is the point you read another thread or skip the post.
If the member of dakka posts too much like this then just hit the ignore button.

chromedog wrote:"Versing" is a word young people use to describe playing another person.

"I'm versing you."

"I versed you yesterday."

They take "versus" and change it into a verb.

In much the same way as certain former US presidents.

Ewww...

Not my favorite "new word."

You mean the same word that was in nearly every single fighting game?

Allways had "Verses mode"

Kids these days with their poetry slams and sick rhymes...

I don't really mind short forms as long as the person using them isn't doing so to intentionally ruin a thread. I mean hey, certain short forms are downright hilarious. Like ASSCAN or fzorgle.

As far as memes go, I really can't help the fact that I find "LOL you mad bro" and "haters gonna hate" gifs hysterical.

I can't wait until there's no Space Marine variant as FOTM though. The term "Libbies" really chaps my ass.

Nurglitch wrote:

There's plenty of worthless forums where you can go to ruin the online part of other people's hobbies, Warseer springing to mind. Dakka used to be where people may have been rough, rude, and even downright hostile, but at least what they wrote that was rough, rude, and hostile was worth reading.

Not really.

Welcome to the Internet. Are you mad? You sound mad.

I agree up to a point. I dislike useless jargon like Libbies (Librarians is really not much harder to say...) and Vanilla Marines (Codex Marines is even easier to say...). But things like Fatecrusher and Leafblower lists are kind of useful once you know what they mean. It's hard to describe otherwise. I think we SHOULD have a glossary of terms, I don't see this as too difficult, either.

Full disclosure: I'm becoming an old fogey, but I still pick up slang without thinking about it.

Fuller disclosure: I've started liking the "Spes Mehrens" meme more because it's been run into the ground and people complain so much about it these days.

I'm prepared to accept that that means I'm a bit of a .

To be honest i'm fast turning into an old git, but the only real issue I have with slang and abbreviations is when I don't understand them.

I'm relatively new to the hobby, don't use the internet much and only play imperial guard. So as you can probably guess this means that I don't understand a lot of them.

Why I do find the use of "Spes Mehrens", and "libbies" odd I don't find them as annoying as some because its not too difficult for me to work out what they are talking about, hell I think I may have even used the term "vanilla" to describe a basic Leeman Russ.

For instance I have no idea what these mean ASSCAN or fzorgle. I'm not convinced I truley understand the terms meme or 4chan and to be honest I'm not sure I know what a leaf blower list exactly involves.

and yes I do live in a cave.

Leafblower is from BLOS. ASSCAN is just a shorthand way of saying Assault Cannon. Fzorgle was the term used to describe Lash, created by Dakka member Abadabadoddon.

None of these are Chanisms.

H.B.M.C. wrote: ASSCAN is just a shorthand way of saying Assault Cannon.

Because you can't just have AC as that's Auto Cannon.

Personally I never called them ASSCAN's.

I prefer Donkey Cannon.

And there's a Dakka-centric reason behind that.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Personally I never called them ASSCAN's.

I prefer Donkey Cannon.

And there's a Dakka-centric reason behind that.

Links or explination?


You think its bad to have to deal with the 4chan memes on the internet. I have to sit next a /b/tard (N: someone who frequents the 4chan board of random, or /b/) during math class. Hes a nice guy, but he uses EVERY SINGLE meme in real life.

I dont mind jargon once I know what it is. Because untill I read this thread I thought fatecrusher was a chaos daemon unit.

Happygrunt wrote:Links or explination?

Back when Dakka first moved to this type of board software, when our fancy (READ: useless) word filter was new, it was... very very sensitive. On top of that, whoever wrote it decided that the word "ass" was a bad curse and that children might be corrupted and turn into murder death rapist Nazi's should they ever see the word, so the board would change it to Donkey. And, as I said, it was an overly sensitive censor, so glass would become gldonkey.

Anyway, as this was 4th Ed, and the time of the 4th Ed Marine Codex where 6-man Terminator Command Squads w/2 Assault Cannons were the squad de jour of all Marine players, they were talked about quite a lot. Ass Cannons became Donkey Cannons, and the name stuck so much people started typing "Donkey" rather than "Ass".

chromedog wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Double tab is actual military or special forces/SWAT jargon, isn't it?

Police, para-military/military.

To put two rounds downwind into x is "double tapping". Easier to do with modern guns than older wheelguns (lighter triggers, etc).

I only use it around people who know what it means, and only in certain situations (eg, playing a military/para-military or security contractor type in an rpg).

With regard to rapid-fire weapons, it's "this unit, rapid-fire weapons, two shots each into them."
I don't think I've ever referred to it as "double tapping".

Almost. Its more like shooting a round into a downed enemy while clearing an objective to ensure the enemy is really down. Side note putting a second round into a down enemy after clearing an objective is murder...LOL G convention.

Nurglitch is 100% spot on.

The explosive growth of Dakka Dakka is partly to blame, but believe me, the standards we have are good ones and we do try to enforce them.

Also:

Nurglitch wrote:Or the whole "Spes Mehrens" crap.

Now that is probably my number 1 pet peeve.

If I could issue warnings for using it, I would.

Just know that if you use it, you bring shame upon yourself, and your entire family.

And, I like cats just fine.

Meh.

Any niche hobby, community, or interest develops jargon. High school debate, military, sports teams, politics- you name a group, and I guarantee you you'll find shorthand/jargon terms in regular usage. Dakka's no different.

As for "chanisms"... Get over it?

I mean, sometimes it's funny... most of the time, not so much.

But, if someone starts a thread about "40k epic fails!!1" I know to stay away. For the most part, nonsense of that sort doesn't spill over into "real" threads; I've not noticed it being problematic in YMDC, for example (although there are certainly other issues in that cesspool [cesspool used here to denote my favorite subforum to post in]).

TL;DR - Meh.

A double tap is two successive shots off of 1 site picture as opposed to two quick shots off of two separate site pictures. Clearing an Objective is an example of its use. It also means double checking something.

I like the X Wings like Logan Wing and Deaf Wing. To me, they're similar to the use of MEQ and GEQ, especially in the army list section. If I'm about to enter a thread titled Logan Wing, I instantly know it's an army from the Space Wolf Codex based around Wolfguard etc. Double Wing? Dark Angels Codex with Terminators and Bikes/ Speeders.

Spes Mehrens

Didn't we just have this thread?

Oh. There it is.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/302945.page

You said then that you were going to continue using full words like a literate person. I'm happy for you, and it makes your posts more readable. I'm going to argue that, while maintaining proper English is important, in any sort of environment where there are lots of cumbersome terms and definitions, jargon and abbreviation become essential. A 40k discussion without jargon would be like trying to use English to describe "a computer" without actually using any words invented post 20th century. You can describe it as a "fabulous adding machine that allows for moving pictures and can telegraph messages to the other side of the globe" but it doesn't really do it justice. Same thing with trying to fit a full explanation of Leafblower into a three sentence paragraph and keeping it flowing. Really, if someone knows where their shift key is, and they're aware of which "their" they're using there, then I'm happy.

Myself, two months ago wrote:
Seriously, the company I work for has so many acronyms, financial industry standard and proprietary alike, that we have an online Acronym translator database. It's bad, because if you talk to anyone who's been in the biz for more than six to ten years, all the acronyms they use are different, so you have to have at least two sets of them memorized. I think we're second maybe only to manufacturing and the military. There's at least three different things I can think of that could be described as being a RSS, for example, and none of them are even the http feed reader thingy that most people would be familar with. Acronyms and abbreviations aren't wrong or bad. AOL-speak is bad. Not understanding that your writing style is saying as much about you, good or bad, as the actual message you are writing is bad.

To expound upon this, I would say that the "memes" such as "spesh mariens!" and all of those are humorous to me, but mostly because of the fact that I can't help but envision a grown man wearing a helmet and water wings shouting it out awkwardly like Sloth from the Goonies as he's playing Warhammer. To be perfectly honest, it didn't actually occur to me that it was from DoW.

Unfortunately, the internet functions miraculously as an echo chamber, and it is so very, very easy to see entire threads become consumed by such lack of content. It's tragic, really.

The jargon term that is most often abused is 'meta game' (often shortened by our American colleagues to 'meta'). This is a very specific concept, which involves looking behind the rules at the game mechanics (probability etc), but it's bandied about without any understanding of what it means by people who want to come across as having a deeper grasp of the game than they really have (thus, any discussion about a unit, no matter how obvious, invariably involves a reference to how it affects the 'meta'). It's particularly common on BoLS - BoLS also likes to claim to have 'invented' various fairly obvious maxed-out army lists, the 'leafblower' being the best known.

I'm only a few years older than the "young folk" who make up this crap, and still have friends that spend their time enjoying 4chan. But some of the jargon used here on dakka still confuses me to no end. I know that it bothers me so much, that I take my time to type out most of my words, usually only abbreviating words I know dakka has a little flag for. If I use another abbreviation, I post out the full word or words the first time I use it in a post.

Still I would appreciate a glossary for some of the other terms. It took me ages to figure out what Loganwing was...

darkdm wrote:I'm only a few years older than the "young folk" who make up this crap, and still have friends that spend their time enjoying 4chan. But some of the jargon used here on dakka still confuses me to no end. I know that it bothers me so much, that I take my time to type out most of my words, usually only abbreviating words I know dakka has a little flag for. If I use another abbreviation, I post out the full word or words the first time I use it in a post.

Still I would appreciate a glossary for some of the other terms. It took me ages to figure out what Loganwing was...

I can appreciate that were it not for that I can ctrl+t and then type loganwing into firefox and the answer is there. The only appalling thing about doing this is that the first hit was Stelek's blog, but at least it would let you know what it is. One of the few things I consider bad about the abbreviations though is when I see things like "LR Tactics" or some such and I excitedly click on it, because I assume it's a Leman Russ discussion, only to find that people are talking about which Land Raider is the best. Some of this stuff you're just never going to be able to avoid, no matter how much you bubblewrap the forum in onHover glossaries and forum guidelines. It's just the nature of anything technical enough. Try looking at a forum discussing electrical engineering. The shorthand will be indecipherable from line noise. As would a forum discussing law, or anything else highly geared toward one specific subject, designed for "experts" in that field. The only difference is instead of being well-paid lawyers or electrical engineers, we're all probability gaming neckbeards.

Nurglitch wrote: how about you park that at the door and write like an adult, or at least someone posting in a wargaming forum rather than 4chan?

Three things:

First, 4chan is awesome, don't disparage 4chan.

Second, it's a silly game, and the sillier the better.

Third, you're not the uber-fogey of fogies out here. That's Fraz, so get off his lawn!


Oh yeah, "METAL BAWKES for the win!"

Alpharius wrote:Nurglitch is 100% spot on.

The explosive growth of Dakka Dakka is partly to blame, but believe me, the standards we have are good ones and we do try to enforce them.

Also:

Nurglitch wrote:Or the whole "Spes Mehrens" crap.

Now that is probably my number 1 pet peeve.

If I could issue warnings for using it, I would.

Just know that if you use it, you bring shame upon yourself, and your entire family.

And, I like cats just fine.

Can you not word filter it?

I mean, if Scunthorpe Council can prevent themselves sending or receiving any Emails, surely it can be done?

What's a leafblower?

Machine used to blow leaves in order to tidy up the lawn

George Spiggott wrote:What's a leafblower?

A BOLS creation.

[EDIT]: The "BOLS" above is actually a link to the article about Leafblower Guard, but the Dakka board software just makes it look like a regular acronym.

A Toronto hockey fan.

Nurglitch wrote:A Toronto hockey fan.

I play Orks and my whole codex is written like a 4Chan thread.

"Speed Freeks" and "Stunties and Beakies" and "Dakka" are part of the fluff and theme and why I play orks.

So while you imperial guys can have your game be serious business, I will never accept it because for me... my little green warriors make their trukks go fastah with some red paint and this is how GW made the game.

For you guys it is saving millions of imperial citizens from murder and oblivion, for me it is kicking some 'teef' in and having a 'squigbrew'.

I just think of it like this: The reason Spez Mahreen Players get uptight about "Spez Mahreens" is because deep down, they realize they're playing the army meant for 12 year olds.

Athera wrote:I just think of it like this: The reason Spez Mahreen Players get uptight about "Spez Mahreens" is because deep down, they realize they're playing the army meant for 12 year olds.

You're right.

We are jealous of your emo spiky androgynous alien pervert army.

Take the Ciaphis Cain series as an example of what humans call "humour". It's Flashman in space. Compare and contrast that with people laughing about the accent in the voicework on a video game....

Monster Rain wrote:

Athera wrote:I just think of it like this: The reason Spez Mahreen Players get uptight about "Spez Mahreens" is because deep down, they realize they're playing the army meant for 12 year olds.

You're right.

We are jealous of your emo spiky androgynous alien pervert army.

Considering that I'm playing Fantasy Khorne pretty much exclusively and I believe that I've said so several times, I think you may need to read closer next time.

Honestly though, I don't really "get" this thread. If it bothers you so much, then...ignore it? Seems like a much more reasonable thing to do, instead of posting a long rant and expecting the entire internet to cater to you.

Also, I like how in your last post you hint that people who find METAL BAWKSES funny aren't human. Or at least that's how I read it.

I also realize I could have just ignored this thread.

The problem is when it hits real life and people start using the memes in commonplace. The first time is funny, the second time gets a chuckle, but by the third time onwards, it's just annoying (at least for the old fogeys in the crowd, of which I am proud to be one). It's easy to ignore when it's someone on the internet (there's an app for that!). But it's hard to ignore someone shouting it from six feet away.

Athera wrote:Considering that I'm playing Fantasy Khorne pretty much exclusively and I believe that I've said so several times, I think you may need to read closer next time.

Which begs the question why you even comment on 40K at all?

Moving thread to 40K Discussions.

I must admit it really @&%$ me off when people start making there on words and stuff up for the hobby. I know its toy soldiers but doesn't mean i want to be reminded off it every time i log on..
But the thing is quite a large portion of the hobbiests are young kids 10-16 and what else would you expect from kids that age, i know i was the same back when i was that age..
jim..

Too much time on your hands nurglich, if this is you biggest concern in life you live a charmed one, maybe you should be angry because a few blades of grass in your lawn are not standing strait up, when the sun is at apex. Enjoy your stroke at 35.

As for things like wolfwing or loganwing, its much faster than saying logan grimnars great company. What you are experiencing is people building efficiency to convey an idea. Heck you did it in your rant when you said 40k instead of warhammer 40000. Look at the forum title dakka dakka, or the ork codex where things are spell phonetically.

I guess my advice is have a beer, see your doctor, have the stick taken out, and get over it, or stroke out early over a pointless irritation.

chromedog wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Double tab is actual military or special forces/SWAT jargon, isn't it?

Police, para-military/military.

To put two rounds downwind into x is "double tapping". Easier to do with modern guns than older wheelguns (lighter triggers, etc).

I only use it around people who know what it means, and only in certain situations (eg, playing a military/para-military or security contractor type in an rpg).

With regard to rapid-fire weapons, it's "this unit, rapid-fire weapons, two shots each into them."
I don't think I've ever referred to it as "double tapping".

Huh, I didnt Know that, thanks for Clearing that up though

I actually dont believe you nurglitch. What are you, 50 years old?

WELCOME TO THE INTERNET!

Here we have [people who swear, internet warriors who want to fight you, 13 year olds who think Black Ops is going to be awesome, and people you cant handle all of the above!

Spehs Mahreens I find rather funny, its a humorous take on an otherwise very serious race. It has nothing to do with insulting the british.

Versing...how can you possibly be insulted by that? Its easier to say "versing" than "fighting against" or "locked in a battle of wits with" I say LOL out loud because people give me funny looks and call me a nerd. I happen to play Warhammer 40,000, I have a right to be a nerd.

Versing is much like using the abbrieviation MC for monstrous creature. MC is not grammatically correct, but everyone knows what you mean.

What gets up my nose is when people say "Game of toy soldiers" first of all THEIR ACTION FIGURES *cries* and second of all, that derogatory nonsense can be applied to anything in life.

At the olympics in a shot put event? ITS JUST A GAME OF THROWING METAL BAWLS! (pun intended)

Playing call of duty and get angry when someone team kills you! Its just a game.

Dakka is still a high grade forum, and in my opinion it is people like you that make it like B&C, dont point out the things you dont like, they will never change. Sure, there are some terrible, terrible things happen on dakka, like the "Who would win in a fight?" Or the "What race should I collect" threads, but they are on EVERY forum.

Also brother SRM, shame on you. DOA was funny, except 3.... you were hailed as a 40k hero.


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Realise, nurglitch, most 40k players are still in school.

For what it's worth Nurglitch, this is probably the one and only time I will be in complete agreement with you.

I will take it a step further and say that (in my opinion) probably fifty to seventy five percent of the people on every internet forum are drooling mouthbreathers who can barely string together a complete sentence, much less be bothered to check their own spelling. And forget about coming up with their own jokes! For some people, repeating funny things they heard from somewhere else is the height of wit. They will do it until the joke isn't funny, and then keep doing it.

The majority of people in the world are stupid, selfish, hypocritical, easily offended, and convinced of their own superiority. The internet is no exception.

That being said, it's like trying to fight the tide, man. Can't be done. I don't run around telling people that their stupid humor and lack of composition skills offend me. It wouldn't solve anything. Every time someone does the 'Spess Mehrens' thing, I wince inside, and try to ignore it.

You can't let this kind of thing get you down, or get you worked up. At our age, you've got to watch your blood pressure.

But as I said, for what it's worth, I know what you mean, and I sympathize.

tgf:

You are aware that Orks are cockney, right?

I'm not really sure why people make such a big deal about the Spess Mahreens thing. When I see someone use it, I immediately understand that the person in question is either:

a) about to make a joke about terrible marine tactics (a la Indrick Boreale's horrendous "Steel Rain" strategy)

OR

b) contemptuously referring to the Space Marine faction based on that individual's personal dislike for them.

Yeah, it's annoying when people use it too much (or when people who obviously don't understand where it came from use it), but I can't understand anyone getting super worked up about the whole thing.

I could just as easily get angry at Nurglitch for his Industrial Tower joke in his sig - the joke is old and overused, and not particularly funny in most contexts, but honestly I can get over it.

Nurglitch wrote:tgf:

You are aware that Orks are cockney, right?

I assumed they were Canadian or Dutch, good to know.

Xca|iber wrote:I could just as easily get angry at Nurglitch for his Industrial Tower joke in his sig - the joke is old and overused, and not particularly funny in most contexts, but honestly I can get over it.

Yea verily, and then he doesn't even mention where we can obtain such space corridors and industrial towers from...

tgf wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:tgf:

You are aware that Orks are cockney, right?

I assumed they were Canadian or Dutch, good to know.

WAAAAAAAAAGGH, eh?

Yeah, way too many unfunny in-jokes on the internet. It's not like 40k is somehow the only ones that do it. WoWfa....ns do it, too.

I started to read this thread, then I realized I'd rather go play with my Spess Mehreens in their METAL BAWKSES with their magic bullets.

You play with plastic soldier men. It's not exactly a serious endeavor from the start.

Yeah, that's my point: You never go full slow.

Look, we're not all as witty, or smart, or perfect as you. Sorry. But please, let us at least pretend to have at least a tenth of your gloriness.

Locclo wrote:

tgf wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:tgf:

You are aware that Orks are cockney, right?

I assumed they were Canadian or Dutch, good to know.

WAAAAAAAAAGGH, eh?

thats what its aboot guy

tgf wrote:
thats what its aboot guy

Hey, he's not your guy, buddy!

daedalus wrote:

tgf wrote:
thats what its aboot guy

Hey, he's not your guy, buddy!

I'm not your buddy, friend!

Ogh, why not just feel like I feel when online gamers or WoWers or MtG players or Trekkies or any other group that I look down upon (I'm looking at you LARPers!) starts babbling their jargon... cool as hell.

Cool Story Bro

It doesn't bother me in the least, if I see a joke like that, I'll just ignore it.

Look we can go back and forth till the end of time debating this topic but I think in the end it boils down to:

"To each his own".

"To each his own"...Did you know that in Germany, the Central Jewish Council protested vigorously against Shell using that sentence in one of their advertisements? Apparently, it was written on the entrance of a concentration camp in WW2 or something like that and therefore is a statement of purest evil!

Yeah, that wasn't THAT related to topic, but at least the topic is roughly related to language in general, so I thought I'd ninja-godwin it (ha, Jargon again!) before going to bed.

I personally don't mind it, unless someone is doing "HAHAHA we iz pwning ur d00ds!" with every post. Once in a while, it's not bad, but every fething post is annoying.

I myself use jargon every so often, and I find Metal Bawkses kinda funny, along with Spehss Mareens!

You know, I once used LOL as a word in a conversation. I immediately said I would be back in a second, and went and took a bite of soap. Stopped playing the MMO I was on at the time for a month, too. Of course, that was when I was like 14, and didn't have to work so I was playing the game 10 hours a day...

I'm gonna have to agree with most people on this thread that I hate any sort of shorthand period. Whenever I write something I use the full word and only use short hand where I think it is plainly obvious.

Good example is HQ we all know that means Headquarters and is even used by the game Warhammer itself.

What I hate is when people use terms like BRB or PotMS. I agree with some of you that without the forum translator I would be very lost, and if I didn't play Space Marines I would be lost too.

I have made the transition into what you may call adulthood (college tends to do that) and so I hate all the little kids that pronounce things like Spehs Marenes or however the heck you spell it and I can't stand some of the humor on here its just not funny. The funnies thing I ever saw on here was the "You know you play to much 40K when" that was really funny and worth a read. I suggest looking it up on here if you can.

Also I'm not sure what a verse is or how you use it I have never heard it used before could someone tell me?

Sanguinis wrote:Also I'm not sure what a verse is or how you use it I have never heard it used before could someone tell me?

People in my generation seem to think Versing someone is the same as playing a match against someone. I used to have a friend who said it during Pokemon R/B, but he isn't my friend anymore (for different reasons.) It was always annoying, and it's one of the few slangs I just absolutely hate, and in my experiance most people who say "We are versing eachother" in all seriousness usually lose really quickly. Be it video games, Warhammer, sports, or what.

It would be me saying "I'm gonna verse you!". it's just stupid.

Slarg232 wrote:

Sanguinis wrote:Also I'm not sure what a verse is or how you use it I have never heard it used before could someone tell me?

People in my generation seem to think Versing someone is the same as playing a match against someone. I used to have a friend who said it during Pokemon R/B, but he isn't my friend anymore (for different reasons.) It was always annoying, and it's one of the few slangs I just absolutely hate, and in my experiance most people who say "We are versing eachother" in all seriousness usually lose really quickly. Be it video games, Warhammer, sports, or what.

It would be me saying "I'm gonna verse you!". it's just stupid.

Unless of course you were about to put a tale of their exploits into immortal song!

Memes are just a side effect of the internet culture.

I agree that they can be annoying, but I generally only get peeved by endless short hand (hey m8, wht you b doin 2moz lol?), I don't even use short hand in SMS that much, let alone forums. However this is entirely seperate from jargon, as mentioned leafblower/loganwing etc are just commonly used phrases/words to sum up the concept (Does Gunline upset you? How about Mech?)

Anyway, I find some "lolcats" amusing, and alot of the Kharne/Eldrad/Abbadon type stories are pretty decent the first time round, most of them aren't terrible written either.

So... this is the new 40k humour thread, right?

Slarg232 wrote:

Sanguinis wrote:Also I'm not sure what a verse is or how you use it I have never heard it used before could someone tell me?

People in my generation seem to think Versing someone is the same as playing a match against someone. I used to have a friend who said it during Pokemon R/B, but he isn't my friend anymore (for different reasons.) It was always annoying, and it's one of the few slangs I just absolutely hate, and in my experiance most people who say "We are versing eachother" in all seriousness usually lose really quickly. Be it video games, Warhammer, sports, or what.

It would be me saying "I'm gonna verse you!". it's just stupid.

I use it in real life as 'We are VSing each other'

Too many beat-em-ups played in my short life time.

Dudes, 3 pages...

Little toy soldiers are little toy soldiers...< or is this offensive as well, heh.

Friendly banter is what most of it is about.
It also identifies in a group who spends too much time on the internet and those that are freshmeat and have virgin eyes.

Alright, sometimes you can go full slow, in the heat of the moment.

^Yes, because it's the internet...and on the internet, Over-Friendly Bear is watching you...unless you are above the age of 3... (<---yes, full slowed.)

Interesting rant but ultimately comes off as one of those "back in my day . . ." sermons.

EDIT: Just to be more specific, arguing that the *chan net-culture is dumb is like saying that using Google makes us dumb. You know when trains were invented, leading old fogies of the day claimed that riding them would cause your bones to spontaneously shatter. Things that are new to you or that you aren't a part of aren't dumb or harmful for those reasons. I seriously can't agree that Ciaphas Cain is all that funny when compared to some of the *chan memes. Sandy Mitchell tells the same joke on every single page to the point of making Cain seem far more earnest than sleazy. At the end of each book, you end up thinking "well, he actually is rather a hero, isn't he." (Of course, it helps that the Inquisitor reinforces this between every few chapters.) Meanwhile, many memes capture the spontaenous realization of absurdity. The "Spehss Mehereinzsss" joke, for example, works because when you're into it, watching the cutscenes on your PC while playing campaign, you might just unconciosuly block out how cheesy it is. But when you repackage it with ridiculous cartoons like BroSRM did you can't avoid seeing the hilarity.