i would love to hear everyones oppinion on the space marines/succesor chapters, do you like them, do you hate them, if so why?

Actually i prefer IG but i started on SW and have stuck with them although i may get an IG army after mainly for collecting rather than playing.
Successor chapters are fine have nothing against them unless they are blantently Mary Sue in which case i really hate them.

I can see a thread like this just descending into a marine hate extravaganza. That being said I think they are the coolest. They are the first army I ever saw and without them I probably wouldn't have gotten into wargamming.
Many moons ago I was that 14 year old kid with the poorly painted Ultra-marines. Over the yearsI have expanded quite a bit and repainted the old suff, yet they are just as cool as the first time I opened Battle for Macragge. One thing I do wish though is that they would focus more on the roman theme with Ultra-marines, jazz them up a little bit. Less vanilla more killa.

I love marines. Marines and guard are two sides of the same coin, different aspects of the heroism it takes to defend humanity.

Without Space Marines, CSM would be nothing. They are the most worthy of opponents. I've got a lot of respect for SM's

- that was the tiny part of loyalist in me

Space Marines are perfectly fine as an army. I don't even mind that GW gives them preferential treatment, really. I dislike playing them too often, because hitting a wall of 3+ saves gets really tedious. This is actually why I stopped playing them myself.

The only problem I have with Space Marines is everyone plays them. The only think more tedious than hitting a wall of 3+ saves is knowing you'll be doing it regularly.

WarWizard91 wrote: I can see a thread like this just descending into a marine hate extravaganza. That being said I think they are the coolest. They are the first army I ever saw and without them I probably wouldn't have gotten into wargamming.
Many moons ago I was that 14 year old kid with the poorly painted Ultra-marines. Over the yearsI have expanded quite a bit and repainted the old suff, yet they are just as cool as the first time I opened Battle for Macragge. One thing I do wish though is that they would focus more on the roman theme with Ultra-marines, jazz them up a little bit. Less vanilla more killa.

Heh, My first army was SM from BFM And this isnt a hate topic, those people who are haters, it's there oppinion we dont have to agree, its just there oppinion

Funnily enough only me and one other guy plays SM regularly at my club, and even I mostly use the guard.

So we have one SM player, and he has a very fluffy raven guard force thats a blast to play against.

i love the SM fluff. the horus heresy is especially interesting.
and i do have 0ver 3000 pts of SW.

and maybe would like to start another army.

Dislike the fluff

Dislike that they are twice as cheap to play as other races

Dislike that everyone plays them and no I dont care about whatever lame fluff you have come up with for your stupid custom chapters (most peoples fluff is bad! like fan fiction bad)

I do like the models however they look great crucified on my BWs

Haters gonna hate.

I don't get why people moan about everyone else playing marines. Its their hobby too, maybe they just want to play marines. People can collect the way they want.

And normal marines have no worse fluff than anyone else.

Jubear wrote:Dislike the fluff

Dislike that they are twice as cheap to play as other races

Dislike that everyone plays them and no I dont care about whatever lame fluff you have come up with for your stupid custom chapters (most peoples fluff is bad! like fan fiction bad)

I do like the models however they look great crucified on my BWs

You're allowed to hate marines. But don't go hating on stuff that people have spent time creating.

On topic

I absolutely love the fluff. I hated them 'til I bought the BL book Dark Creed which totally changed my mind. I would like to play them but I can't justify fighting them against other marines (which everybody plays round where I live). So I'm thinking of going in the Grey Knights direction so I can always say in my mind "the other chapter has turned to Chaos and I must destroy them"

Fan fiction is evil and must be stopped as do folk who insist on explaining to me the lame fluff behind there army.

I dont give a rats ass about someone else horrible attempts to come up with a backstory for there armies when 90% of the time they dont even paint all there models

I really like Space Marines. I don't really like some of the fluff and I wish some of the attention they got went to other armies but I still like them. My only major problem with any Space Marine chapter is the Space Wolves growing wolf obsession ruining the awesome space vikings I knew and loved.

Spaces marines are space marines, they have power armour and bolters, there sexuaility good be questioned, and a chapter is a excuse for GW to make a codex for more money.

I like most of the chapters of marines, I just don't like GW poster boy Ultrasmurfs...
I orignally collected IG, I have 2000 points but got bored of them and changed to the crusadeing Black Templars, I like the fluff, they look cool and its different to the other SM's in my gaming group of black legion, tratior mairnes using Sm codex, a small force of loyal marines (unknown chapter) and now the same guy is starting iron warriors after owning 2 other SM forces but he also owns a nice sized tau army as well.

Some things that annoy me about marines is the stupidity of the new blood angel codex, come on deepstriking landraiders and a space wolf riding a giant wolf in the SW codex, apart frorm that I like SW's.

But I think Grey Knights are one of the coolest SM forces out there!

But deep down inside I know that I am guardsman forever, whats not to love about tanks?

Given that I am a fan of common humans pitted up against the deadliest monsters of 40k, I tend to completely and utterly ignore Space Marines unless they are exceptionally well written or have an outstandingly interesting concept (IE, I ignore 95% of Space Marine fluff).

I don't necessarily think they're bad, every sci-fi series of this scale is going to have their modified superhuman beings, but that is nowhere close to what interests me in science fiction. There are exceptions of course-- Salamanders (for their sense of duty and humility), Space Wolves (for their gregarious nature, and being vikings in space), and many of the better DIY chapters for example (because some of them are better writers than GW)..

I started Space Marines as my second army a few years ago and haven't looked back since. There's so much diversity of options with all of the Codexes and they're(sort of) the "good guys" even when they're executing every third person in a system for allowing heresy to take root. Go Iron Hands!

In summary: Space Marines are the best. I love playing as them and against them, now and forever.

Edited by Manchu for egregious breach of Rule #1.

Asherian Command wrote:Edited by Manchu for egregious breach of Rule #1.

Asherian, you should really calm down.

Do you know what I thought when I saw that grammatically atrocious, homophobic attempt at trolling? That it should be ignored for the nonsense that it is. Let's all take a deep breath.

Grammar review: Their, They're and There are all completely different words. It makes one's posts seem somewhat more intelligent when this fact is observed. Of course good grammar can't make up for poor content but let's walk before we run, shall we?

MiloticMaster wrote:i would love to hear everyones oppinion on the space marines/succesor chapters, do you like them, do you hate them, if so why?

I don't "hate" them. I just feel they can be overplayed at times. Most gaming stores I have regularly played at over half the people there have some form of marine army. Usually ultramsurfs. Sometimes Dark Angels. The concept of them is great. Just as said. Too many people use them though at times.

Asherian Command wrote:Edited by Manchu for egregious breach of Rule #1.

I don't believe he's saying you shouldn't make up fluff for your DIY.

I believe he's saying you shouldn't inflict it on him if he's just trying to get a game in. And I agree. Unless my opponent is Dan Abnett, I don't want to hear about his army background.

Monster Rain wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Jubear wrote:Fan fiction is evil and must be stopped as do folk who insist on explaining to me the lame fluff behind their army.

I dont give a rat's ass about someone else's horrible attempts to come up with a backstory for their armies when 90% of the time they don't even paint all their models.

Edited by Manchu for egregious breach of Rule #1.

Asherian, you should really calm down.

Do you know what I thought when I saw that grammatically atrocious, homophobic attempt at trolling? That it should be ignored for the nonsense that it is. Let's all take a deep breath.

Grammar review: Their, They're and There are all completely different words. It makes one's posts seem somewhat more intelligent when this fact is observed. Of course good grammar can't make up for poor content but let's walk before we run, shall we?

Yeah I calmed down I was a little pissed at him. But when i saw the grammar mistakes I couldn't stop laughing
Because one thing he really doesn't know anything about lore. His limited view is so Xenophobic it was almost insulting. D:
But anyway, it seems I got a little pissed off. But ITs behind me. I can go back to my Wise 16 year old mood again
As for the poster above me. You obisiovusly did not read it that well.
It says all fanfics like Dark Lord Seans are gak.
Which is utter Please do not attempt to avoid the word filter.
As this guy litterally has no idea what he is talking. (The guy i am angry at.)

Jubear wrote:Fan fiction is evil and must be stopped as do folk who insist on explaining to me the lame fluff behind there army.

I dont give a rats ass about someone else horrible attempts to come up with a backstory for there armies when 90% of the time they dont even paint all there models

Interesting fact for you on gay armies.

The ancient Spartan state thought it was heavily desirable for homosexual lovers to fight together in the same regiment. They believed that if this occurred, the warriors would fight harder in order to impress each other with their respective courage.
Funnily enough, this worked.

Problem, officer?

FURTHERMORE:
I think marines are pretty cool. Though some of the fluff annoys me, by and large I find them a fun army to read about and play.

EDIT: I see it's changed from a homophobic insult to "lame." My point still stands.

Asherian Command wrote:
As for the poster above me. You obisiovusly did not read it that well.
It says all fanfics like Dark Lord Seans are gak.

There are fanfics that aren't complete tripe?

I suppose in an infinite universe that must be true.

As for the topic itself, I like Space Marines fine. I wish they weren't played as much as they are, no matter how hypocritical that is.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Jubear wrote:Fan fiction is evil and must be stopped as do folk who insist on explaining to me the lame fluff behind there army.

I dont give a rats ass about someone else horrible attempts to come up with a backstory for there armies when 90% of the time they dont even paint all there models

Interesting fact for you on gay armies.

The ancient Spartan state thought it was heavily desirable for homosexual lovers to fight together in the same regiment. They believed that if this occurred, the warriors would fight harder in order to impress each other with their respective courage.
Funnily enough, this worked.

Problem, officer?

FURTHERMORE:
I think marines are pretty cool. Though some of the fluff annoys me, by and large I find them a fun army to read about and play.

Don't you mean the Sacred band? They weren't Spartans. D: Sorry to correct you but they beat the Spartans twice. And the Homosexual lovers Owned. And they were so good that no one could beat them. Until they fought Macedonians. And they were killed down to 1 man.
ONTOPIC:
I love space marines. But I freaking Hate the ultramarines and all the newbs that running around in my store and cheat and break models.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:EDIT: I see it's changed from a homophobic insult to "lame." My point still stands.

Yeah, the site filters those terms now I guess.

Either way, I think the point is proven.

Mmmmm. Marines. My first army. And my second. And my buddy's first and second. Because the RTB01 sets were all we could could get.

I wish people would play something besides Marines. It gets boring playing against Marines every time. Sure, it's great for my opponents because I have a batch of armies I have or am working on. But for me? All of my armies get to fight against... Marines. And occasionally Orks.

gazelle wrote:Mmmmm. Marines. My first army. And my second. And my buddy's first and second. Because the RTB01 sets were all we could could get.

I wish people would play something besides Marines. It gets boring playing against Marines every time. Sure, it's great for my opponents because I have a batch of armies I have or am working on. But for me? All of my armies get to fight against... Marines. And occasionally Orks.

I agree. Marines are too common. But Considering that Alot of my friends right now no longer play. Its rarity And i enjoy any type of game except when I face a newby Marine player that makes up rules as he goes.
I hate that D:

Games against veteran marine players; I live for them.
There is no game I'd rather play, they're always so intense and often down to the wire.

Im glad to see there arnt many haters, though i dislike the ultramarines, they were what got me into 40k, and i need to respect that

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/322869.page#2043596
Here is a list of my Custom Chapters.
Then I have another thread showing off another 1k.

i made a new chapter from the Pre-heresy Era, The Swamp Stalkers

I enjoy the Marines, I like their fluff and what they stand for in the 40K Universe.

Game wise I find them a fun army and they are actually my favorite opponents... some people may find mirror match boring, but I like the feeling of 'fairness' that comes from them.

Well, I do enjoy marines. Have to thank Dawn of War for creating a chapter that I found interesting, though. Although as far as models go, it is actually the Eldar that drew me in.

I like them.

They're loud, over the top, have absurdly silly fluff, and make absolutely no sense from a realistic perspective. So pretty much all awesome.

To be honest I think they all are lame. Except for the Space Wolves.

Especially Grey Knights. But to be fair "Paladins in space" or knights in shining armor never appealed to someone like me.

I do like the fluff of the Horus Heresy and what not. But Chaos just get's beaten back every time kinda like Team Rocket being after pikachu.

Not a fan myself. The only SM faction I ever considered playing was SW. I dig the whole Vikings in space idea. I'll just have to live with the fact that they are also SM.

I'm not really bothered about Space Marines, although I do have 1500pts of Space Wolves. I guess I just find them not very interesting, except Wolves. Orks, Necrons, Tyranids are much more fun and look at lot more interesting.

Im generally a pretty big fan of marines, sorta needed to jazz up the imperium in a galaxy where not only is everything ten times as deadly as you, but also ten times more interesting. Sorry guard fans, but normal humans are pretty boring.

I'm ambivolent on marines.

They are an army that is entirely comprised of round pegs in a world of square, triangular, and star-shaped holes. No unit ever seems to have the proper equipment for the job, and those rare instances where that's not true, the options tend to be way too expensive to justify taking them. Given that everybody knows how to take apart marine armies, I actually see marines as one of the least competitive armies out there (with the exception of whatever sub-chapter just got it's new codex, but even this fades over time. cf. BT and DA).

In order to be good with vanilla marines, you've got to be a die-hard veteran. These people are definitely out there, and can definitely win games, but for your average person just starting out, well, there's a reason that 13 year olds play ultramarines - they just don't know any better.

I like them, but I wish people at my local GW would play something else. Been playing for 2 years and only once did I face anything that wasn't space marines. Although I faced daemon hunters too, but they're kinda similar.

My biggest problem with SM is the amount of focus they get from GW. Yeah it's their poster boy, but I just feel if GW put their time into doing promoting other armies they could be just as successful. Look how many people are ready to start a DE army because GW put some time and effort into their new models, and their codex actually looks interesting.

I would liek to see GW put out 4 Codex a year one each quarter with out every other one being a Space Mariene book.

I can't wait till they start working on the Cron and Tau dex's just so maybe other armies get some love. Their are enough choices out there to play mariens lets do some other stuff.

I love seeing a space marine army. It's like a litmus test for the player. It immediately tells me who I can avoid playing and saves tons of time. It's all the same codex-hopping, no skill, internet listers out to play the latest flavor of the month strong codex in pursuit of nothing but cheese and victory everywhere you go as soon as you see power armored figures.

Saves me so many bad games by focusing in on the people who play armies they care about. Ya know the armies that actually have substance to them.

I have no problem with SMs, who hasn't got there grubby little pre-pubesant hands on them when they first started?

I still have a small force of about 1000pts (give or take) of SM infantry to back up my massed IG (bordering on 3500pts).

The one thing that does anoy me is the amount of SM players there are where i play, out of 50 members of the local gamming club i've seen about ten or so none SM armys.

Needless to say my IGs get to see alot of action as mostly every time i'm there people want to play against some thing difrent...then i plonk my four Leman Russ's down and go "Power Armour Omm nomm nomms"

I guess I'm lucky... my local gaming club has...

2 SM (including me)
2 Blood Angel
1 Space Wolf (Who is also one of 2 BA player)
3 Orks
2 Eldar
4 Tyranids (One of them also has 1 of the Necron armies)
1 IG
3 Necron
1 Sister of Battle
1 Gray Knight
2 CSM (One of them also has 1 of the Necron armies)
2 Tau
1 Dark Eldar (Who's basically having multiple orgasm at the thought of the new codex).

I've shown up at League night and been the only Space Marines player quite a few times...

Shadowbrand wrote:Especially Grey Knights. But to be fair "Paladins in space" or knights...

They're not as nice as you seem to think they are.

Ribon Fox wrote:I have no problem with SMs, who hasn't got there grubby little pre-pubesant hands on them when they first started?

I had some models, and indeed even had my own DIY chapter fluff written up, but then because they were FSM (it's easier to write for your own gender) most people reacted VERY negatively to it, so I just decided "screw it" and bought Orks and Guard instead, as they also interested me (legions of disciplined soldiers battling against endless hordes of barbarians? Awesome). I later picked up Sisters, as I got more into the fluff (I've never liked their models, so that kept me from them in second edition).

i love my marines

i love the fact that you can make your own chapter, but this also turns into a hate thing.


90% of Self chapter makers do a horrible job. they either make their chapter 1 of the lost legions(which is ok, but you need to do a veeeeeeeery good job with fluff) or they make this horrible fluff about how their chapter is the best(bester then the UMs ) and their Chapter master beat Calgar in an arm wrestling match, they killed Ghaz and Abbadon, they hardly ever die, no gene flaws...


granted i was guilty of about 4 of these problems when i started, but have since retconned my own fluff to be more normal.



Make your own chapters with awsome fluff, but for Emprerors sake make it decent(i like my eyeballs where they are )

Black Templars are my first army. I'll sometimes use them as Codex marines, too.

I enjoy playing marines. They can be shooty and assaulty, and great at either. You just need to pick one.

When my group of players started, we had IG, Tau, Eldar, Necron, and my templars.

Now, two players have picked up Space Marines (SW and BA) as their second armies.

No hatred in our group. Except for the Eldar. Those guys are tough as nails.

They are the best of 40k. I love to crush them, to see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of their wom...er, players.


Apart from that, I´m one of those freaks that feels indifferent towards them and never had the desire to play them despiting the huge efforts of GW´s propaganda machine. I always have found their fluff, models and general character kinda bland and unexciting, and I didn´t change my mind since I was a newbie ( I like the Imperial fluff as a whole, though). Only SW make me raise an eyebrow of interest, but the fact that they´re still marines isn´t easy to forgive.

Actually I never started with space marines. I got assault on Macragge and immediately focused on the Tyranids, while my brother used the marines.


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And I still don't have marines.

Marines are cool, only problem is all the noobs get encouraged to do them.
The fluff's epic, but I still shake my head at people who do ultramarines. Apparently, they're the best at pretty much everything. Except Stealth, that's Raven guard...and attrition, that's imperial fists...and CC, that's SW...and jump infrantry, that's BA...and bike warfare, that's white scars...and crusades, that's BT...so, yeah. They're no good at anything. They just do sod all and claim all the glory. It's the afore-mentioned chapters that are the real heroes. While the Horus heresey raged on terra- where were the ultramarines? Other side of the galaxy. Story of thier lives. No offence, but the ultramarines are like the americans- Claim they're the best, steal the glory. (e.g: WW2)

I started with vanilla marines, orgionally going for a raven guard army, but soon switching over to Imperial Fists.

I like them a lot, they have cool guns, they got a very lofty and compentent aura in their fluff, and they are also 8 foot tall super soldiers. It is hard to NOT like playing 8 foot tall super soldiers!

That said, as fun as they are, They do get boring after playing them on the table for a while... Dark Eldar are next on my list for "buy 500 dollars worth NOW!"

Don´t mean to offense but I don´t understand -and I wish to- the fascination of newbies about SM, bearing in mind they initially know little about their fluff. Oversized super soldiers are regarded in popular culture as either dumb asses or the -usually dumb- villain of the movie, when not his main henchmen. What is cool about that?

Wiglaf wrote:Don´t mean to offense but I don´t understand -and I wish to- the fascination of newbies about SM, bearing in mind they initially know little about their fluff. Oversized super soldiers are regarded in popular culture as either dumb asses or the -usually dumb- villain of the movie, when not his main henchmen. What is cool about that?

I shall try to answer this!

When I first saw space marines, I thought they were elite soldiers for the greater force they were fighting with. That they were given the best equipment and training because they earned it.

While the statement above is in ways true and false, I think that is what many players see. Seeing a heavily armored elite soldier blasting spikey goons is just cool.

Hate loyalists.

LOVE CHAOS MARINES! I read lots of loyalist fluff, but it's no where near as good as the chaos stuff, IMO.

Chaos marines are the coolest thing I've ever heard of, seriously. Giant, super-engineered men in impermeable metal suits with mini rocket launchers and power punches AND INSANE KILLING MACHINES BENT ON DESTROYING THE HUMAN EMPIRE AND WREAKING HAVOC ACROSS THE GALAXY WITH THEIR CRAZED AND HOLY GODS AT THEIR BACKS.


LOVE

Funny, I interpret it as a bunch of dudes who got mad at their dad and are now throwing an epic temper tantrum But then, you gotta admit that several of the legions (Traitor or otherwise) are pretty shallow.

Samus Aran, your sig disagrees with you.

Trilobite wrote:Samus Aran, your sig disagrees with you.

Right you are I was painting a unit of ultramarines at the time. I need to update that!


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Melissia wrote:Funny, I interpret it as a bunch of dudes who got mad at their dad and are now throwing an epic temper tantrum But then, you gotta admit that several of the legions (Traitor or otherwise) are pretty shallow.

That's about right. Except they're the equivalent of the biker jacket wearing, punk music-listening, acid-tripping, angsty son of the emperor, rather than the son who goes to college and gets a degree in english history, marries an ugly protestant lady and haas three kids son of the emperor.

I agree. I really only particularly like the word bearers and iron warriors. Alpha legion, night lords and emperor's children seem too particular about things to be good chaos legions, IMO.

Ewww boring IW's boooo.

I dont really count Grey Knights As SM's i mean technicly they are but ...well, SM arn't exactly knights/demon hunters leave it to the witch/demon hunters

Trilobite wrote:Ewww boring IW's boooo.

They've got some pretty amazing fluff. They themselves aren't as interesting as the firepower they use though. There's a bit about these dudes using a massive daemon cannon on it's owner, then taking down a titan with it afterwards. Awesome stuff.

Oh, and there's this other part where these guys blow up a section of their own fortress to completely destroy an army of dreadnoughts and stuff.

Based on what I've read, The CSM codex basically represents only the black legion. It can't really be used to represent armies like the night lords or death guard. The codex limits the CSM, seriously.

Yeah, Graham McNeil really likes making the Iron Warriors look cool. Well, other than the whole being completely evil thing. They're not really interesting villains, but they're fantastically fun.

SumYungGui wrote:I love seeing a space marine army. It's like a litmus test for the player. It immediately tells me who I can avoid playing and saves tons of time. It's all the same codex-hopping, no skill, internet listers out to play the latest flavor of the month strong codex in pursuit of nothing but cheese and victory everywhere you go as soon as you see power armored figures.

Saves me so many bad games by focusing in on the people who play armies they care about. Ya know the armies that actually have substance to them.

Yes, because armies like Necrons or Dark Eldar have so much DEPTH and SUBSTANCE.

Wiglaf wrote:Don´t mean to offense but I don´t understand -and I wish to- the fascination of newbies about SM, bearing in mind they initially know little about their fluff. Oversized super soldiers are regarded in popular culture as either dumb asses or the -usually dumb- villain of the movie, when not his main henchmen. What is cool about that?

They have armor. Armor is thought of as cool. So are shoulder pads (Especially among Americans, for obvious reasons). Therefore, people like Space Marines because they like armor and shoulder pads.

Dislike the players, dislike the fluff, but love the crunch.

Necroman wrote:
They have armor. Armor is thought of as cool. So are shoulder pads (Especially among Americans, for obvious reasons). Therefore, people like Space Marines because they like armor and shoulder pads.

A pretty silly looking armor, IMO.

I wonder who worked out that an order of futuristic, adoctrinated, genetically modified space knights in heavy armour should be called like the former US military or the amphibian assault British corp. Where is the point of calling someone marine if there is not even a vague aquatic element involved in the way they fight, to begin with? But hey, I´m sure their sole name -along with the big assz should pads, which are super manly- served to make thousands of american players fell in love with them at first glance.

Wiglaf wrote:I wonder who worked out that an order of futuristic, adoctrinated, genetically modified space knights in heavy armour should be called like the former US military or the amphibian assault British corp. Where is the point of calling someone marine if there is not even a vague aquatic element involved in the way they fight, to begin with? But hey, I´m sure their sole name -along with the big assz should pads, which are super manly- served to make thousands of american players fell in love with them at first glance.

Actually, it kinda does make sense, if you interpret, as many sci-fi writers do, that space is an ocean. In that way, the space marines have a similar deployment to actual marines (They serve completely different purposes, but that's neither here nor there).

More than likely, however, Games Workshop just used the name because it was cool.

Grey Templar wrote:i love my marines

i love the fact that you can make your own chapter, but this also turns into a hate thing.


90% of Self chapter makers do a horrible job. they either make their chapter 1 of the lost legions(which is ok, but you need to do a veeeeeeeery good job with fluff) or they make this horrible fluff about how their chapter is the best(bester then the UMs ) and their Chapter master beat Calgar in an arm wrestling match, they killed Ghaz and Abbadon, they hardly ever die, no gene flaws...


granted i was guilty of about 4 of these problems when i started, but have since retconned my own fluff to be more normal.



Make your own chapters with awsome fluff, but for Emprerors sake make it decent(i like my eyeballs where they are )

Yes I agree with that.
I hate seeing poorly written chapters. Like the Poke-a-dots chapter.
What a waste of a marine. At least my chapters have been either destoryed or just rotting or they are getting sliced open by each other .

Necroman wrote:
Actually, it kinda does make sense, if you interpret, as many sci-fi writers do, that space is an ocean. In that way, the space marines have a similar deployment to actual marines (They serve completely different purposes, but that's neither here nor there).

More than likely, however, Games Workshop just used the name because it was cool.

However, I think it was an awful decission. If I had a penny for every fellow player out there convinced of SM being the LITERAL interpretation, physical and moral wise of their american namesakes...such a harmful line of thought at long term.

I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Oddly enough one of the more sensible ones
Sort of joking there

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Oddly enough one of the more sensible ones
Sort of joking there

My point

I don't know how people even come up with such awful stuff

I don't mind Space Marines. The Basic idea is cool, but some of the fluff is just rediculus. Doesn't bother me, lots of other armies get stuff like that.

I supose the part that iritates me about marines is that their various "special" books just steal ideas from each other shamelessly, and end up blurring together. For example, blood Angels stealing Black Templars hat of Land Raiders as Designated Transports.

Idealy, I think marines would each have distinct playstyles, not the blurred lines we have now. Something like this:

Codex: Everything average, most capable of making a balanced army. Combat Tactics and ATSKNF

Dark Angels: Able to take all Termy, and above average shooting, but less melee emphasis. Stubborn, and ATSKNF.

Space Wolves: Able to play Large units, heavy melee focus, but Little Deepstrike or support shooting (Beyond Expensive but good Long Fangs). Furious Charge and ATSKNF.

Blood Angels: Able to take all Jump Packs, Fast Vehicles, and Lots of elite Melee units. Rather light on the shooting, however. ATSKNF and the Red Thirst Rule.

Black Templars: Cheap(ish) Land Raider Spam, mixed units, Good Melee, little support fire. Fearless and Furious Charge.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Oddly enough one of the more sensible ones
Sort of joking there

My point

I don't know how people even come up with such awful stuff

It's an odd combination of Mary Sue and a large amount of narcotics i'd guess

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Oddly enough one of the more sensible ones
Sort of joking there

My point

I don't know how people even come up with such awful stuff

It's an odd combination of Mary Sue and a large amount of narcotics i'd guess

Some people are just gifted with suckiness to answer your question Samus.

Lemme try my best to make a terrible one:

emperor's feet
- One of the lost legions
- colors are brown with black and green camo. They have yellow heads, and their icon looks like the crimson fist symbol, except it's solid black.
- live inside terra, under the emperor's holy feet. They have all manner of technology they need, so they can take any entry from any codex they want, for no points extra.
- work to protect the emperor from squats when they pop out of the sewers

gah...That's awful.

Grey Templar wrote:i love my marines

i love the fact that you can make your own chapter, but this also turns into a hate thing.


90% of Self chapter makers do a horrible job. they either make their chapter 1 of the lost legions(which is ok, but you need to do a veeeeeeeery good job with fluff) or they make this horrible fluff about how their chapter is the best(bester then the UMs ) and their Chapter master beat Calgar in an arm wrestling match, they killed Ghaz and Abbadon, they hardly ever die, no gene flaws...


granted i was guilty of about 4 of these problems when i started, but have since retconned my own fluff to be more normal.



Make your own chapters with awsome fluff, but for Emprerors sake make it decent(i like my eyeballs where they are )

QFT

Samus_aran115 wrote:Lemme try my best to make a terrible one:

emperor's feet
- One of the lost legions
- colors are brown with black and green camo. They have yellow heads, and their icon looks like the crimson fist symbol, except it's solid black.
- live inside terra, under the emperor's holy feet. They have all manner of technology they need, so they can take any entry from any codex they want, for no points extra.
- work to protect the emperor from squats when they pop out of the sewers

gah...That's awful.

Actually that was bad from the first point after that it was all just so much icing.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Lemme try my best to make a terrible one:

emperor's feet
- One of the lost legions
- colors are brown with black and green camo. They have yellow heads, and their icon looks like the crimson fist symbol, except it's solid black.
- live inside terra, under the emperor's holy feet. They have all manner of technology they need, so they can take any entry from any codex they want, for no points extra.
- work to protect the emperor from squats when they pop out of the sewers

gah...That's awful.

Nah I've heard of worse

Poke-Dots or the Knights of the Dusk (stole my chapter name)
- One of the Lost Legions
- Has a Primarch that is still living. And wings, and two relics blades.
- Has at least 20,000 Space Marines
- Has a Poke Dot Symbol
- Color Scheme Orange, Red, Blue, Green
- Has 2,000 marines per a company. Has 20 captains in each company.
- Has thousands of Grey knights.
- Has a World called Earth with an orbital defense cannon that can blow up entire solar systems.
- Somehow has a Emperor's Class Battle Ship as a command vessel
- Has 50 Battle Barges, 9,000 thunderhawks, 200 Strike Cruisers, and 5,000 strike vessels.
- Is BFF with the Ultramarines.
- Attacks at full strength all the time
- Has a concentration of over 2,000 Pyskers.
- Has a Chapter Master that is named Bob from Accounting
- Each company is named after a famous band from the 90's
- Each company specializes in one of the legion's specialties.


NOW THAT IS THE WORST CHAPTER I HAVE EVER HEARD OF!
And yes a kid at my store said this all to me. It has scared me for the rest of my life.

Can you belive this topic hasn't been mutilated more then a nurgle champion by haters O.o

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

isn't in Iron Loins

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:I don't mind Space Marines. The Basic idea is cool, but some of the fluff is just rediculus. Doesn't bother me, lots of other armies get stuff like that.

I supose the part that iritates me about marines is that their various "special" books just steal ideas from each other shamelessly, and end up blurring together. For example, blood Angels stealing Black Templars hat of Land Raiders as Designated Transports.

Idealy, I think marines would each have distinct playstyles, not the blurred lines we have now. Something like this:

Codex: Everything average, most capable of making a balanced army. Combat Tactics and ATSKNF

Dark Angels: Able to take all Termy, and above average shooting, but less melee emphasis. Stubborn, and ATSKNF.

Space Wolves: Able to play Large units, heavy melee focus, but Little Deepstrike or support shooting (Beyond Expensive but good Long Fangs). Furious Charge and ATSKNF.

Blood Angels: Able to take all Jump Packs, Fast Vehicles, and Lots of elite Melee units. Rather light on the shooting, however. ATSKNF and the Red Thirst Rule.

Black Templars: Cheap(ish) Land Raider Spam, mixed units, Good Melee, little support fire. Fearless and Furious Charge.

+1 to this post.
Give this man a cigar as he hit the nail on the head!

MiloticMaster wrote:Can you belive this topic hasn't been mutilated more then a nurgle champion by haters O.o

That's debatable.

This is how a chapter should look like.......

The Dusk Guard (Knights)

Chapter Master: Mortis Void

Homeworld: Lucaia

Geneseed: Blood Angels

Chapter No.: 162

Man-power: 1,000 – 1,200 (Unknown)

Symbol: Clouded Sun/ or the Symbol of Dusk. (fading moon upside down)

Specialty: Ship to Ship, Boarding Actions, Lightning Fast Assaults, Pyskers.

Traits: Trust your Battle Brothers,

Blood Brothers: Sword Templars (fought together during the Bloody Hand’s Rebellion) Ice Angels, The Wanderers, Storm Crusaders (fought together during the 5th War for Drancoris and aided in the Assault on Baltnis).

Not very different. Just Normal and somewhat of a specialists at certain things. But not a shooty army.
Edit:
OMG ITS MY 2124! 2 124 Which means!!! It is my chapters number and 2 leaders!

I think DIYs are fun, but only when reigned in. To make a good fanfic chapter, the best idea is to probably try and make a normal chapter (With the necessary traits from its origin legion), give it one or two divergent traits or practices, and then let it become different over time as you develop your vision.

Asherian Command wrote:Poke-Dots or the Knights of the Dusk (stole my chapter name)
- One of the Lost Legions
- Has a Primarch that is still living. And wings, and two relics blades.
- Has at least 20,000 Space Marines
- Has a Poke Dot Symbol
- Color Scheme Orange, Red, Blue, Green
- Has 2,000 marines per a company. Has 20 captains in each company.
- Has thousands of Grey knights.
- Has a World called Earth with an orbital defense cannon that can blow up entire solar systems.
- Somehow has a Emperor's Class Battle Ship as a command vessel
- Has 50 Battle Barges, 9,000 thunderhawks, 200 Strike Cruisers, and 5,000 strike vessels.
- Is BFF with the Ultramarines.
- Attacks at full strength all the time
- Has a concentration of over 2,000 Pyskers.
- Has a Chapter Master that is named Bob from Accounting
- Each company is named after a famous band from the 90's
- Each company specializes in one of the legion's specialties.

This fiction is so beautiful. I can't wait to see the Dan Abnett book chronicling their adventures!

Necroman wrote:I think DIYs are fun, but only when reigned in. To make a good fanfic chapter, the best idea is to probably try and make a normal chapter (With the necessary traits from its origin legion), give it one or two divergent traits or practices, and then let it become different over time as you develop your vision.

Asherian Command wrote:Poke-Dots or the Knights of the Dusk (stole my chapter name)
- One of the Lost Legions
- Has a Primarch that is still living. And wings, and two relics blades.
- Has at least 20,000 Space Marines
- Has a Poke Dot Symbol
- Color Scheme Orange, Red, Blue, Green
- Has 2,000 marines per a company. Has 20 captains in each company.
- Has thousands of Grey knights.
- Has a World called Earth with an orbital defense cannon that can blow up entire solar systems.
- Somehow has a Emperor's Class Battle Ship as a command vessel
- Has 50 Battle Barges, 9,000 thunderhawks, 200 Strike Cruisers, and 5,000 strike vessels.
- Is BFF with the Ultramarines.
- Attacks at full strength all the time
- Has a concentration of over 2,000 Pyskers.
- Has a Chapter Master that is named Bob from Accounting
- Each company is named after a famous band from the 90's
- Each company specializes in one of the legion's specialties.

This fiction is so beautiful. I can't wait to see the Dan Abnett book chronicling their adventures!

Yes it is a fan made chapter made by a 10 year old space marine player that lost every single game to my Plasma Fest army.

Asherian Command wrote:Yes it is a fan made chapter made by a 10 year old space marine player that lost every single game to my Plasma Fest army.

He should win a pulitzer. His chapter's THAT good.

Necroman wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Yes it is a fan made chapter made by a 10 year old space marine player that lost every single game to my Plasma Fest army.

He should win a pulitzer. His chapter's THAT good.

Yeah his chapter Master vs my Chapter Master. My Chapter Master Basically took his chapter Master's Arm and basically beat him to death with it. (I love it when I have a Apocalypse Item called Legion Relic. He didn't get that ability. And Not only that but I used my Chapter Master's Stats. WHich aren't l33t they are balanced.)
Then my 10th company vs his 1st company. Of course I win just by moving my troops back and using a ton of tanks.

Asherian Command wrote:

Necroman wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Yes it is a fan made chapter made by a 10 year old space marine player that lost every single game to my Plasma Fest army.

He should win a pulitzer. His chapter's THAT good.

Yeah his chapter Master vs my Chapter Master. My Chapter Master Basically took his chapter Master's Arm and basically beat him to death with it. (I love it when I have a Apocalypse Item called Legion Relic. He didn't get that ability. And Not only that but I used my Chapter Master's Stats. WHich aren't l33t they are balanced.)
Then my 10th company vs his 1st company. Of course I win just by moving my troops back and using a ton of tanks.

In summary:

You beat a child using made up stats and a Strategic Asset from Apocalypse and proceeded to brag about it on the internet, posting in leetspeak on top of it all.

Did I miss anything?

Monster Rain wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Necroman wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Yes it is a fan made chapter made by a 10 year old space marine player that lost every single game to my Plasma Fest army.

He should win a pulitzer. His chapter's THAT good.

Yeah his chapter Master vs my Chapter Master. My Chapter Master Basically took his chapter Master's Arm and basically beat him to death with it. (I love it when I have a Apocalypse Item called Legion Relic. He didn't get that ability. And Not only that but I used my Chapter Master's Stats. WHich aren't l33t they are balanced.)
Then my 10th company vs his 1st company. Of course I win just by moving my troops back and using a ton of tanks.

In summary:

You beat a child using made up stats and a Strategic Asset from Apocalypse and proceeded to brag about it on the internet, posting in leetspeak on top of it all.

Did I miss anything?

Well the kid cheated and used 2,000 more points than I Had. So no.
Made up stats = balanced basically a Chapter Master just with feel no pain. And then he used Angrons rules for his primarch which was stupid....

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I like homebrew chapters....Sike. I hate most of them.

Iron Lions
- Successor of the howling banshees legion marines
- green and purple color scheme with red highlights and orange eyes and yellow backpacks
- live on cadia to protect the imperial guard and fight chaos
- Were in the badab war and that's why they hate chaos marines, so they moved to cadia to fights them.

Am I doing it right guys?

Oddly enough one of the more sensible ones
Sort of joking there

My point

I don't know how people even come up with such awful stuff

It's an odd combination of Mary Sue and a large amount of narcotics i'd guess

Some people are just gifted with suckiness to answer your question Samus.

Wait. Don't you have a Chapter that consists over 6,000 marines or so?

And here I thought my female loyalist Death Guard descendant chapter I created in second/third edition was ridiculous.

Yesh, reading the hate for DIY Chapter make me glad I settled on the Crimson Fists .

Kinda dodged a 2 bullets there, since I actually hesitated between them and Ultras (And Imperial, and Salamander...).


I don't know, if I was to make a Chapter, I'd keep relatively simple...

Top of my head...

Solar Avengers:
- Successor Chapter to the Imperial Fist (Gene Seed Flaw: Missing Sus-An Membrane and Belcher Gland)
- Fleet Based Chapter, splintered off in order to protect/patrol a sector near the Ghoul Stars.
- Color Pattern: Orange and Black, with Gold trims.
- Chapter found a STC pattern for much more reliable Plasma Weapon, seeing it as a sign from the Emperor, they kept it from themselves and are pretty plasma happy, use Vanilla SM rules, has a special character (Chapter Master? Captain? Wouldn't matter much, as I'd give him 'normal' Stats) with some nifty wargear and with a Chapter Tactic that makes all plasma weapon twin linked.

I don't know, keep it simple... no weird legion origin, a clear and distinct purpose for their creation, a color pattern that actually match and have their 'gimmick special rule' linked to a special character (That you don't have to take at all, so you can play them as a 'normal' Chapter).

Melissia wrote:And here I thought my female loyalist Death Guard descendant chapter I created in second/third edition was ridiculous.

Girls can't be space marines.

Drop it before a mod sees that you're attempting to start a serious discussion on female space marines.

I was just mentioning it in passing as a, and I quote,"ridiculous" idea.

Wiglaf wrote:A pretty silly looking armor, IMO.

points at your avatar

being little hypocritical?

Devastator wrote:

Wiglaf wrote:A pretty silly looking armor, IMO.

points at your avatar

being little hypocritical?

Stay classy, mate.

I´m not the one who looks like Buzz Lightyear.

As a casual observer, this is a pretty goofy argument.

There is no winner here.

Actually Arhra is significantly cooler than blood angel termies.

Monster Rain wrote:As a casual observer, this is a pretty goofy argument.

There is no winner here.

That was not even an argument. But I don´t see the point in argue seriously about how impractical looks to me the design of SM armor since ( in my experience) nobody is going to give up ground here.

yeah eldar armor is not silly at all

Wiglaf wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:As a casual observer, this is a pretty goofy argument.

There is no winner here.

That was not even an argument. But I don´t see the point in argue seriously about how impractical looks to me the design of SM armor since ( in my experience) nobody is going to give up ground here.

You do hold a moral advantage as not being the one that began it.

Point Wiglaf.

Back on topic, there's several things people are missing about Space Marines.

Firstly, they can all take Rites of Battle, which is a nice way of boosting everyone's Leadership to 10. This is great in combination with Combat Tactics. If memory serves, Codex Space Marines and Blood Angels can only do this with Special Characters (Tycho and Sicarius), but Dark Angels can still get it on generic Captains.

Codex Space Marines require a Captain to unlock Command Squads, while Dark Angels can take a Command Squad for every HQ and their Command Squads are Fearless. Fearless is a two-edged sword, but handy if your opponents cotton onto how effective pinning can be against Space Marines.

Devastator wrote:yeah eldar armor is not silly at all

How could be silly -meaning impractical- a tight fitting armor-suit? all the superheros wears one like that. Even the Iron Man suit look more eldar than SM.


Admit it, you´re stuck in the 70´s.

Nurglitch wrote:Back on topic, there's several things people are missing about Space Marines.

Firstly, they can all take Rites of Battle, which is a nice way of boosting everyone's Leadership to 10. This is great in combination with Combat Tactics. If memory serves, Codex Space Marines and Blood Angels can only do this with Special Characters (Tycho and Sicarius), but Dark Angels can still get it on generic Captains.

Codex Space Marines require a Captain to unlock Command Squads, while Dark Angels can take a Command Squad for every HQ and their Command Squads are Fearless. Fearless is a two-edged sword, but handy if your opponents cotton onto how effective pinning can be against Space Marines.

it is a bummer that Rites got lost in the codex creap and was relagated to a character that is pretty lackluster.

he is worth his points, but he competes with generic and special characters that are more points efficiant.

and he is pretty expensive.



i really do miss a bunch of the 4th ed marine codex. they took out all the creative parts.

If the move from 4th edition to 5th edition took the creative parts out, then they should lose 'creativity' altogether.

Sicarius costs a ton because he's worth a ton. Unlike other Space Marine Captains he really enhances the whole army. Rites of Battle is just the beginning. Rites of Battle in combination with Combat Tactics is just grand. Plus there's Suprise Attack and Battle-Forged Heroes. Suprise Attack nearly doubles your chance of seizing the first turn, and Battle-Forged Heroes makes Tactical Squads really flexible. I really like what he does for an army.

Nurglitch wrote:Plus there's Suprise Attack and Battle-Forged Heroes. Suprise Attack nearly doubles your chance of seizing the first turn, and Battle-Forged Heroes makes Tactical Squads really flexible.

Or just awesome at what you want them to be specialized in.

A melta and combi-melta with Tank Hunters is awful nice.

Just Dave wrote:
Wait. Don't you have a Chapter that consists over 6,000 marines or so?

Yes. But now it is down to 3,000. 3,000 of them are the Son's Of Asherian.
The Storm Crusaders have at least 3,600 Battle Brothers (including scouts and support staff.)
But the chapter is spread so thinly its more like independent more than ever. Except for the war in the Grimnar Systems as there are 5 companies present there. And 3 companies present at the Homeworlds.

Meh, not a big fan of loyalists, but their fun to fight!

Frankie wrote:Meh, not a big fan of loyalists, but their fun to fight!

Thats perfectly reasonable.

I have to say I dislike that so many people play marines - that's my only quabble with them. They're a little silly (as are all the 40k races), and I think even a power armour fest can be great between two skilled players.

The only thing I ever want from the model line though is a box of terminators - they just scream "paint me".

Wish I could start them and not sigh at how many people have done it (and done it better than I ever can) already.

Guess it's good that GW released new DE.

Asherian Command wrote:

Just Dave wrote:
Wait. Don't you have a Chapter that consists over 6,000 marines or so?

Yes. But now it is down to 3,000. 3,000 of them are the Son's Of Asherian.
The Storm Crusaders have at least 3,600 Battle Brothers (including scouts and support staff.)
But the chapter is spread so thinly its more like independent more than ever. Except for the war in the Grimnar Systems as there are 5 companies present there. And 3 companies present at the Homeworlds.

Yes, but when people are complaining - you included - about how people make their chapters so much better than everything else and you have created one more than three times (originally 6x) the size of a standard chapter then, to me atleast, it screams of irony. I almost admire how deeply you've gone into your chapters detail and your attempts to justify their numbers, but it doesn't change quite how much of the 40K 'rules'/conventions you've 'broken'.

I like Awesomeberry Blue flavour, now with Gold-Bling Frosting.

Just Dave wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Just Dave wrote:
Wait. Don't you have a Chapter that consists over 6,000 marines or so?

Yes. But now it is down to 3,000. 3,000 of them are the Son's Of Asherian.
The Storm Crusaders have at least 3,600 Battle Brothers (including scouts and support staff.)
But the chapter is spread so thinly its more like independent more than ever. Except for the war in the Grimnar Systems as there are 5 companies present there. And 3 companies present at the Homeworlds.

Yes, but when people are complaining - you included - about how people make their chapters so much better than everything else and you have created one more than three times (originally 6x) the size of a standard chapter then, to me atleast, it screams of irony. I almost admire how deeply you've gone into your chapters detail and your attempts to justify their numbers, but it doesn't change quite how much of the 40K 'rules'/conventions you've 'broken'.

Yeah I broke a few rules but eh what ever.
I have taken great lengths to explain it. At least i'm not like insane and claim i have 20,000 Space marines.

Jubear wrote:Dislike the fluff

Dislike that they are twice as cheap to play as other races

Dislike that everyone plays them and no I dont care about whatever lame fluff you have come up with for your stupid custom chapters (most peoples fluff is bad! like fan fiction bad)

I do like the models however they look great crucified on my BWs

BOO HOO, that is all.

I beat a child....but not in Warhammer.

And inb4 the lock.

I prefer Fiery Green Apple and Bloody Cherrbomb flavors.

Shadowbrand wrote:I beat a child....but not in Warhammer.

I'll be needing some of this.

Marines are common, But Orks...EWWWW I got given a 10k Orc army and it just sits in my room, occasionly copping an insult as i walk by


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Off Topic:

Are there any wolves on Fenris?

sebster wrote:Of course not. There are creatures that look exactly like wolves, that are named after the latin word for wolf, that are closely associated with the space marine chapter the Space Wolves. But there's no wolves.

LOL!!!!!