I ask. What is with the douple standards in this world?
why is it whne a man sleeps around he is a stud but when a woman does it she is a slut?
or why is it a woman are the ones that need help and not the man?
Or why si it a men are expected to be smart at get good grades while women is to look cute?
Had feminism really only gotten this far?
I realised are this from my feminism class.

Why do women ask so many questions?

In order

why is it whne a man sleeps around he is a stud but when a woman does it she is a slut?

Because we're wired differently. Men are wired to sleep with everything that moves, women are not. Since all men are very sexually active, to be a male slut would require an extraordinary amount of sex.

Women on the other hand, generally equate sex with love, and other such concepts. They're not wired to go out and shag everything that moves like men are, hence, when it happens, it's out of the norm, unlike with men, where we're all sluts. Therefore, the fact that women generally aren't as easy with the notion of sleeping around constantly, means that those that do are remarked upon.

or why is it a woman are the ones that need help and not the man?

Because we're physically stronger, and as such, when it comes to things requiring physical strength, such as carrying the shopping, we're better suited to it. Not only that, it's good manners.

Or why si it a men are expected to be smart at get good grades while women is to look cute?

I have no idea where this one comes from. Both men and women are expected to get good grades where I come from.

Ketara wrote:In order

why is it whne a man sleeps around he is a stud but when a woman does it she is a slut?

Because we're wired differently. Men are wired to sleep with everything that moves, women are not. Since all men are very sexually active, to be a male slut would require an extraordinary amount of sex.

Women on the other hand, generally equate sex with love, and other such concepts. They're not wired to go out and shag everything that moves like men are, hence, when it happens, it's out of the norm, unlike with men, where we're all sluts. Therefore, the fact that women generally aren't as easy with the notion of sleeping around constantly, means that those that do are remarked upon.

or why is it a woman are the ones that need help and not the man?

Because we're physically stronger, and as such, when it comes to things requiring physical strength, such as carrying the shopping, we're better suited to it. Not only that, it's good manners.

Or why si it a men are expected to be smart at get good grades while women is to look cute?

I have no idea where this one comes from. Both men and women are expected to get good grades where I come from.

Ok the last one is worded wrong. What i mean is generally alot of people think nothing of a women who doesnt go to college and gets a man right away but a man that isnt true.
And i wasnt talking about physical. I mean man are genrally left to there own devices with things such as homework or other stuff. While girls genrally are nurtured. Like when a boy scrapes his knee he is told to "suck it u" but when a girl is she is nutured.

Slut is a state of mind, thanksmuch Things are better than they used to be and they'll continue to get that way. In 50 years I doubt there'll be near the impact there is now, much like comparing women/men today to the 20s.

Well, here's a hint....it's not the men calling the women sluts. Pointed this one out when the class Militant Feminist started ranting on it. She slapped me, I slapped her back. She threw a wobbler. I calmly pointed out her insistence on equality of the sexes. Then her morals and philosophy utterly crumbled when she claimed there were exception. Stupid bitch..

Wish to understand why women are completely insane? Look the media they actually choose to buy. Dichotomy, double standards, carrot and stick in one... Mental I tell you.

If Emmeline Pankhurst could see the modern day, I'm not entirely sure she'd have bothered in the first place.

If you hadn't taken this class would you have felt the same way? Why did you need to take the class to 'see' what was 'going on?'

Why don't women make better sandwiches?

And why can't the hot women play rugby, rather than the .. erm. . not so hot ones.

No i wouldnt. which is why im glad i did.

What i mean is generally alot of people think nothing of a women who doesnt go to college and gets a man right away but a man that isnt true.

Still don't know where you're thinking of, the dole queue is full of blokes here who did just that.

I mean man are genrally left to there own devices with things such as homework or other stuff. While girls genrally are nurtured. Like when a boy scrapes his knee he is told to "suck it u" but when a girl is she is nutured.

Because girls are generally more emotionally fragile then men I would argue, as well as less physically strong.
But that's just a personal view.

Well, here's a hint....it's not the men calling the women sluts.

That's true. Most neo-feminism is small group of women trying to push their bizare anti-male hatred on the rest of the population. They're as narrow-minded as the facist party, and judge other women more harshly than those they profess to hate.

rubiksnoob wrote:

And why can't the hot women play rugby, rather than the .. erm. . not so hot ones.

Dude; you have never seen my city's girl players

garret wrote:why is it whne a man sleeps around he is a stud but when a woman does it she is a slut?

Biological biases, largely. Not that they're necessarily sensible, given modern circumstances.

or why is it a woman are the ones that need help and not the man?

This is a meaninglessly vague question; you should rephrase this in a more specific circumstance if you want an answer.

Or why si it a men are expected to be smart at get good grades while women is to look cute?

This isn't generally true, in any of my experiences. To the contrary, I see more active effort to encourage intellectual pursuits among women, probably due in a large part to the pressure for athletic achievements being higher among men.

Had feminism really only gotten this far?

"Feminism" doesn't approach things very realistically, from my experiences with it. Hell, it often comes across as blatantly hypocritical. I think a person who was trying to genuinely increase parity between the sexes would be better off abandoning most of "feminism's" associations, and primarily approaching things from a new angle.

garret wrote:I ask. What is with the douple standards in this world?

Easy way to label people.

garret wrote:why is it whne a man sleeps around he is a stud but when a woman does it she is a slut?

Men have to work to convince a girl to have sex. Girls can just say "f*ck me" and get some.

garret wrote:why is it a woman are the ones that need help and not the man?

Woman are inherently weaker then men. Deal with it.

garret wrote:why si it a men are expected to be smart at get good grades while women is to look cute?

Never heard this one before. Asian men, maybe.

garret wrote:Had feminism really only gotten this far?
I realised are this from my feminism class.

Get out of that class. It will do you nothing but push men away from you. No one likes a naggy b*tch.

I don't think Garret is a woman.

Lord of battles wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

And why can't the hot women play rugby, rather than the .. erm. . not so hot ones.

Dude; you have never seen my city's girl players

Unfortunately, the majority of the ones in my area are. . . well. . .




You get the idea

rubiksnoob wrote:

Lord of battles wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

And why can't the hot women play rugby, rather than the .. erm. . not so hot ones.

Dude; you have never seen my city's girl players

Unfortunately, the majority of the ones in my area are. . . well. . .




You get the idea

lol it's iggy pop

rubiksnoob wrote:

This would be a good reference pic for the next time someone brings up female space marines.

rubiksnoob wrote:



You get the idea

Steroids much?

GG

But steroids shrink your... n/m.

garret wrote:Or why si it a men are expected to be smart at get good grades while women is to look cute?

I'm smart and get good grades, and I'm adorable.

Ketara wrote: They're not wired to go out and shag everything that moves like men are, hence, when it happens, it's out of the norm, unlike with men, where we're all sluts.

Not true. However, It's the loud, vocal womanizers who make it seem like that.


Having said that, if there are three groups I hate in the world, one of them are feminists. As described above, they want to be treated as equals until it becomes disadvantagious to them. I know several women like that.

Also, a part of the hate for women sluts is that, in my area at least, they act like they can get away with anything and that you, as a man, will bow before them solely because they have a vagoo.

Edit: AND STOP QUOTING THAT PIC!

Feminist's don't know what they are talking about and you shouldn't listen to them.

Slarg232 wrote:

Ketara wrote: They're not wired to go out and shag everything that moves like men are, hence, when it happens, it's out of the norm, unlike with men, where we're all sluts.

Not true. However, It's the loud, vocal womanizers who make it seem like that.


Having said that, if there are three groups I hate in the world, one of them are feminists. As described above, they want to be treated as equals until it becomes disadvantagious to them. I know several women like that.

Also, a part of the hate for women sluts is that, in my area at least, they act like they can get away with anything and that you, as a man, will bow before them solely because they have a vagoo.

Edit: AND STOP QUOTING THAT PIC!

I have no problem with women being sluts, just as long as they're releasing there sexual satisfaction on a frequent basis with me. Also the good thing about being single is I don't have to feel guilty about having promiscuous sex.

There is a great answer for this.

Think of Vaginas as locks and penis's as keys (because lets face it that is exactly what they are).
A man who sleeps around has a key that opens many locks, a master key if you will. Whereas a women who sleeps around a lot would not have the same grace, as a lock which can be opened by any key is just a bad lock.

I have been told that lesson off someone and it has stuck with me.
(for the mentally challenged this is a joke >.> )

syanticraven wrote:There is a great answer for this.

Think of Vaginas as locks and penis's as keys (because lets face it that is exactly what they are).
A man who sleeps around has a key that opens many locks, a master key if you will. Whereas a women who sleeps around a lot would not have the same grace, as a lock which can be opened by any key is just a bad lock.

I have been told that lesson off someone and it has stuck with me.

It's only a bad lock if it's full of diseases, looks like swaying doors or it's "loose" IMHO.

rubiksnoob wrote:

Lord of battles wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

And why can't the hot women play rugby, rather than the .. erm. . not so hot ones.

Dude; you have never seen my city's girl players

Unfortunately, the majority of the ones in my area are. . . well. . .




You get the idea

THATS A MAN BABEE! YEAH!

Orkeosaurus wrote:Biological biases, largely. Not that they're necessarily sensible, given modern circumstances.

Biological bases informing cultural standards, and elements of those cultural standards hanging around despite other elements being dropped. It wasn't ever a nice way of looking at things, but it probably made more sense in the '30s than it does today.

"Feminism" doesn't approach things very realistically, from my experiences with it. Hell, it often comes across as blatantly hypocritical. I think a person who was trying to genuinely increase parity between the sexes would be better off abandoning most of "feminism's" associations, and primarily approaching things from a new angle.

Feminism is pretty diverse and includes a lot of different thoughts, but it is interesting that in the main it seems to be driving towards everyone being treated equally, while at the same cultural studies are moving away from that and instead recognising that we're different being welcoming to those differences.


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syanticraven wrote:There is a great answer for this.

Think of Vaginas as locks and penis's as keys (because lets face it that is exactly what they are).
A man who sleeps around has a key that opens many locks, a master key if you will. Whereas a women who sleeps around a lot would not have the same grace, as a lock which can be opened by any key is just a bad lock.

I have been told that lesson off someone and it has stuck with me.

Dude, that's pretty fethed up.

The actual answer is;
If a dude sleeps around that is his business if it's making him happy. As long as it's safe, because unprotected casual sex is always stupid.
If a girl sleeps around that is his business if it's making her happy. As long as it's safe, because unprotected casual sex is always stupid.

It was a joke, jesus dont break a hip.

syanticraven wrote:It was a joke, jesus dont break a hip.

Fair enough, my apologies. It's hard to tell on the internet, text based medium and all that.

Always take the internet with a pinch of salt. It helps you sleep at night that way.

sebster wrote:

syanticraven wrote:There is a great answer for this.

Think of Vaginas as locks and penis's as keys (because lets face it that is exactly what they are).
A man who sleeps around has a key that opens many locks, a master key if you will. Whereas a women who sleeps around a lot would not have the same grace, as a lock which can be opened by any key is just a bad lock.

I have been told that lesson off someone and it has stuck with me.

Dude, that's pretty fethed up.

The actual answer is;
If a dude sleeps around that is his business if it's making him happy. As long as it's safe, because unprotected casual sex is always stupid.
If a girl sleeps around that is his business if it's making her happy. As long as it's safe, because unprotected casual sex is always stupid.

O.o

Also, I agree that you should GTFO of that class as fast as you can. Feminism is a load of bull****. I mean I'm all for equality, but those bitches are crazy and we all know it. Don't let them turn you against your fellow man!

syanticraven wrote:Always take the internet with a pinch of salt. It helps you sleep at night that way.

I've tried taking most things as jokes, but then I was running the risk of bumping into laughing along then having that moment where you realise a person is being serious. I figure it's best to assume the worst and take anything from there as a pleasant surprise.

MasterDrd wrote:

sebster wrote:The actual answer is;
If a dude sleeps around that is his business if it's making him happy. As long as it's safe, because unprotected casual sex is always stupid.
If a girl sleeps around that is his business if it's making her happy. As long as it's safe, because unprotected casual sex is always stupid.

O.o

Damn you copy & paste!

Also, you should get a job proofreading for GW.

MasterDRD wrote:
Also, I agree that you should GTFO of that class as fast as you can. Feminism is a load of bull****. I mean I'm all for equality, but those bitches are crazy and we all know it. Don't let them turn you against your fellow man!

Oh, God no.

Really?

Thing is, when people say women are crazy I'm inclined to agree, but am left puzzled at the assumption made that guys are meant to be sane. We really aren't.

Feminism is not about equality. Women have *more* rights than men in most western countries. It's supposed to be about challenging sociatal constructs like why do women earn less than men on average - maybe - just maybe, the dudes perform better at the job than women? Oh no I'm a misogynist!
In my experience a lot of feminists are angry girls or abortion advocates. No access to killing children = repression of 'mother' rights etc. It's all hormonal and confusing if you ask me.

sebster wrote:Thing is, when people say women are crazy I'm inclined to agree, but am left puzzled at the assumption made that guys are meant to be sane. We really aren't.

Sanity is for the foolish and the dull.

After all, if men were sane, many terrible things would not have happened, and then the world would be far less interesting.


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Phototoxin wrote:Feminism is not about equality. Women have *more* rights than men in most western countries. It's supposed to be about challenging sociatal constructs like why do women earn less than men on average - maybe - just maybe, the dudes perform better at the job than women? Oh no I'm a misogynist!
In my experience a lot of feminists are angry girls or abortion advocates. No access to killing children = repression of 'mother' rights etc. It's all hormonal and confusing if you ask me.

Translation: I don't want o bother with complicated ideas, because that would expose my lack of intellectual ability.

Or why si it a men are expected to be smart at get good grades while women is to look cute?

This isn't generally true, in any of my experiences. To the contrary, I see more active effort to encourage intellectual pursuits among women, probably due in a large part to the pressure for athletic achievements being higher among men.
***Agreed. What is this nonsense? In the US, women are approaching 60% of college degrees. Its the men who have fallen off the wagon.

dogma wrote:
Translation: I don't want o bother with complicated ideas, because that would expose my lack of intellectual ability.

For feminists - I agree!

garret wrote:Like when a boy scrapes his knee he is told to "suck it u"

Because Daddy ain't gonna to raise a pussy.

but when a girl is she is nutured.

Because she's not supposed to be tough, the boy is, and she'd damned well better find herself a man who's not some limp wristed little nancy boy who's not going to be tough enough to take care of her.

garret wrote:Or why si it a men are expected to be smart at get good grades while women is to look cute?

I think that's the wrong approach...nobody is expected not to aim for good grades, but women sometime feel under pressure to excel in order to prove they are worth more than their looks.

BoyMac wrote:

garret wrote:why is it whne a man sleeps around he is a stud but when a woman does it she is a slut?

Men have to work to convince a girl to have sex. Girls can just say "f*ck me" and get some.

Really? Maybe some girls have men throwing themselves at them all the time but it doesn't apply to all by a long way. Some guys ask why all the girls are always taken, and the reason is that they aren't, it's just the handful they they approach are spoken for, there are a lot of single girls that find it just as difficult to find a partner as guy. A man doesn't have to work to get sex any more than a girl, not if they don't want to be at all picky, but most are picky and then complain they have to 'work'.

garret wrote:Like when a boy scrapes his knee he is told to "suck it u"

It would seem to me that the boy in question should be removed from that home immediately.

dogma wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Feminism is not about equality. Women have *more* rights than men in most western countries. It's supposed to be about challenging sociatal constructs like why do women earn less than men on average - maybe - just maybe, the dudes perform better at the job than women? Oh no I'm a misogynist!
In my experience a lot of feminists are angry girls or abortion advocates. No access to killing children = repression of 'mother' rights etc. It's all hormonal and confusing if you ask me.

Translation: I don't want o bother with complicated ideas, because that would expose my lack of intellectual ability.

I tend to dismiss feminist theory as I would the rantings of any group of extremists. I'm all for exchanging ideas, but there are some people that are simply too far outside of rational discourse to bother with talking to(BLAME THE VICTIM!). Just my 2 cents.

garret wrote:
And i wasnt talking about physical. I mean man are genrally left to there own devices with things such as homework or other stuff. While girls genrally are nurtured. Like when a boy scrapes his knee he is told to "suck it u" but when a girl is she is nutured.

Maybe it's because guys have a higher pain threshold than women.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18529_6-absurd-gender-stereotypes-that-science-says-are-true.html

The Feminists yes bunch of crazy girls wont even touch that subject. Women are crazy but so are men its just to what extent are we crazy? and I know why women live longer, they dont take as many risks I almost get hit by a car everyday while riding my bike....

Cheesecat wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Ketara wrote: They're not wired to go out and shag everything that moves like men are, hence, when it happens, it's out of the norm, unlike with men, where we're all sluts.

Not true. However, It's the loud, vocal womanizers who make it seem like that.


Having said that, if there are three groups I hate in the world, one of them are feminists. As described above, they want to be treated as equals until it becomes disadvantagious to them. I know several women like that.

Also, a part of the hate for women sluts is that, in my area at least, they act like they can get away with anything and that you, as a man, will bow before them solely because they have a vagoo.

Edit: AND STOP QUOTING THAT PIC!

I have no problem with women being sluts, just as long as they're releasing there sexual satisfaction on a frequent basis with me. Also the good thing about being single is I don't have to feel guilty about having promiscuous sex.

It's funny because you're, like, 15.



I love the internet.

Albatross wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Ketara wrote: They're not wired to go out and shag everything that moves like men are, hence, when it happens, it's out of the norm, unlike with men, where we're all sluts.

Not true. However, It's the loud, vocal womanizers who make it seem like that.


Having said that, if there are three groups I hate in the world, one of them are feminists. As described above, they want to be treated as equals until it becomes disadvantagious to them. I know several women like that.

Also, a part of the hate for women sluts is that, in my area at least, they act like they can get away with anything and that you, as a man, will bow before them solely because they have a vagoo.

Edit: AND STOP QUOTING THAT PIC!

I have no problem with women being sluts, just as long as they're releasing there sexual satisfaction on a frequent basis with me. Also the good thing about being single is I don't have to feel guilty about having promiscuous sex.

It's funny because you're, like, 15.



I love the internet.

Hey man, I got off the bench and in the game at 13, don't hate on the younger ones (though if any kids are looking, I regret that decision. )

Cool story brosephine, but I'd say a nervous (and brief) fumble at the age of 13 hardly qualifies as 'promiscuous sex' - that's what Cheesecat seems to be implying he has.

Who knows? He MIGHT be swatting the birds away with a 12-inch baseball bat... but I'm gonna go with 'doubtful'.

Albatross wrote:Cool story brosephine, but I'd say a nervous (and brief) fumble at the age of 13 hardly qualifies as 'promiscuous sex' - that's what Cheesecat seems to be implying he has.

Who knows? He MIGHT be swatting the birds away with a 12-inch baseball bat... but I'm gonna go with 'doubtful'.

Wait... people make gak up to look cool on the interwebz?

The hell you say!

If you're a girl, it's easier to get a guy to sleep with you.

If you're a guy, it's harder to get a girl to sleep with you.

That's why we have legends and whores.

Phototoxin wrote:Feminism is not about equality. Women have *more* rights than men in most western countries.

Only if you took such a limited view of rights and equality as to make each term functionally useless.

It's supposed to be about challenging sociatal constructs like why do women earn less than men on average - maybe - just maybe, the dudes perform better at the job than women? Oh no I'm a misogynist!

They've shown men and women scoring equally in higher education, receiving equivalent performance appraisals, are not equally promoted, guys will tend to rise to management positions much sooner. This is not because men are simply 'better', that's ridiculous. The causes are more to do with childcare, as women will lose several career years in the 20s and 30s and spend a long time playing catch up, and a few industries that remain boy's clubs - the pay differential is largely removed from professions such as law and accounting, but still noticeable in more male dominated professions such as engineering.

Please do some reading on the subject.

Yeah, why is it that when a woman wears a nice black dress, stockings, and high heels she gets compliments, but when I try it they fire me? Discrimination, I tell ya.

BloodDrop101X wrote:The Feminists yes bunch of crazy girls wont even touch that subject. Women are crazy but so are men its just to what extent are we crazy? and I know why women live longer, they dont take as many risks I almost get hit by a car everyday while riding my bike....

Nah, it's mostly the bowel cancer. Eat your bran.


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BearersOfSalvation wrote:Yeah, why is it that when a woman wears a nice black dress, stockings, and high heels she gets compliments, but when I try it they fire me? Discrimination, I tell ya.

If it's any consolation I thought you were making it work. Perhaps next time try a more muted shade of lipstick though.

While women generally need to feel loved to have sex, men need sex to feel loved, it's viscious I tell you!


and I did say 'generally' obviously there are exeptions! :-)

I just think all women are manipulating.
I am unsubtle and rather oblivious to most things.

Double standard is huge. Especially as it seems most people (or just teachers) would rather believe what a chick says than me.

But it works both ways. I mean I'm not gonna complain about getting paid more.

nerdfest09 wrote:While women generally need to feel loved to have sex, men need sex to feel loved, it's viscious I tell you!

That's why God invented lying.

sebster wrote:

nerdfest09 wrote:While women generally need to feel loved to have sex, men need sex to feel loved, it's viscious I tell you!

That's why God invented lying.

God invented lying? I thought Ricky Gervais did!

If key open many locks, it awesome key.

If lock open by many keys, it crappy lock.

</Zen>

VikingScott wrote:I just think all women are manipulating.
I am unsubtle and rather oblivious to most things.

Double standard is huge. Especially as it seems most people (or just teachers) would rather believe what a chick says than me.

It's probably because you believe that you're a viking.

Phototoxin wrote:Feminism is not about equality. Women have *more* rights than men in most western countries. It's supposed to be about challenging sociatal constructs like why do women earn less than men on average - maybe - just maybe, the dudes perform better at the job than women? Oh no I'm a misogynist!
In my experience a lot of feminists are angry girls or abortion advocates. No access to killing children = repression of 'mother' rights etc. It's all hormonal and confusing if you ask me.

Why do women retire earlier than men? Why do women get up to a years Maternity Leave, a large chunk of which is at full pay, where men get a couple of weeks? Why do Professional Women who take Maternity Leave for multiple kids, feel they are as entitled to promotion as a guy who started slightly later, but has actually worked for longer?

Screw feminism.

Mr Mystery wrote:Why do women retire earlier than men? Why do women get up to a years Maternity Leave, a large chunk of which is at full pay, where men get a couple of weeks? Why do Professional Women who take Maternity Leave for multiple kids, feel they are as entitled to promotion as a guy who started slightly later, but has actually worked for longer?

Screw feminism.

Sounds like someone that needs a feminism course!

We talked about feminism in history class today. When the teacher asked what one of the major issues in the women's rights movement was, I answered, "sandwich making."

Mr Mystery wrote:Why do women retire earlier than men?

Because women are horrible drivers and wear their tires out earlier, obviously. DAMN THOSE FEMALES AND THEIR TERRIBLE DRIVING!

Albatross wrote:Cool story brosephine, but I'd say a nervous (and brief) fumble at the age of 13 hardly qualifies as 'promiscuous sex' - that's what Cheesecat seems to be implying he has.

Who knows? He MIGHT be swatting the birds away with a 12-inch baseball bat... but I'm gonna go with 'doubtful'.

No I'm still a virgin but I'm just expressing my views about sex that's all, and obviously I'm interested in it. Puberty can begin as early as 10 or 11 years so it's quite possible for guys to be fully "developed" (in the crotch area) by 15. And no I don't

have a 12-inch penis nor do I go around bragging about how big my dick is. If a girl is curious about my penis then they better be willing to feth me because that's the only way they'll find out about my size.

Yes that is the reason why Twilight mom's start screaming when they see a guy with his shirt off in twilight. Nothing happens....

When a guy starts yelling and its a girl doing it in a badass manly movie, we get arrested. -.-


But there are tons of things no one will ever understand about women. Just like how They will never understand us. That is the mystery. Apart from that there is nothing I can say.

I like girls, they are soft.

Shadowbrand wrote:I like girls, they are soft.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.
They are like teddy bears sometimes. (speaking from experience.)
They are sometimes your best friend but sometimes they are your serial killer's aid.

Shadowbrand wrote:I like girls, they are soft.

Yes they are soft, especially when you can feel there ample breasts tightly pressed against your back or chest. Also I'm not surprised since you would probably feth anything that moves.

dogma wrote:

MasterDRD wrote:
Also, I agree that you should GTFO of that class as fast as you can. Feminism is a load of bull****. I mean I'm all for equality, but those bitches are crazy and we all know it. Don't let them turn you against your fellow man!

Oh, God no.

Really?

sebster wrote:Thing is, when people say women are crazy I'm inclined to agree, but am left puzzled at the assumption made that guys are meant to be sane. We really aren't.

Just so we're clear I wasn't calling ALL women crazy, just the feminists...

Monster Rain wrote:
I tend to dismiss feminist theory as I would the rantings of any group of extremists. I'm all for exchanging ideas, but there are some people that are simply too far outside of rational discourse to bother with talking to(BLAME THE VICTIM!). Just my 2 cents.

Well, I think we need to clarify what we mean by feminist. The woman that shaves her head, wears male clothing, and marches through the street proclaiming the superiority of the female sex is a feminist, but so is the woman that just thinks the glass ceiling is a bad state of affairs. Feminism doesn't mean radical, or even oriented towards female superiority, its just a body of thought that advocates female equality.

I fully agree that a lot of feminists are out of their minds, I always tell the story of the gender politics teacher that wouldn't let me in her class because she was afraid my overtly masculine appearance (I was a power-lifting 250 at the time, and didn't where sleeved shirts often) would stifle dialogue. She was a 2nd wave critical feminist; meaning she was basically G-baby. The type of person who thought demagoguery was a valid form of intellectual discourse. However, not all feminists are like that, and some of my favorite teachers in undergrad were in the WGSS department.

Yeah Feminists are insane...
One of them tried to convince me that Thomas Jefferson didn't write the declaration of Independence. His wife did......

Such BS, sometimes. They really need to learn that when you are talking to an intellegent History geek. Its like saying the french didn't surrender in WW2.

dogma wrote:Well, I think we need to clarify what we mean by feminist. The woman that shaves her head, wears male clothing, and marches through the street proclaiming the superiority of the female sex is a feminist, but so is the woman that just thinks the glass ceiling is a bad state of affairs. Feminism doesn't mean radical, or even oriented towards female superiority, its just a body of thought that advocates female equality.

Thing is, the posts here really don’t have anything to do with what feminism and feminists really are. That there might be a whole lot of feminists with reasonable and interesting views just doesn’t matter.

This is about male nerds complaining about how they’re put upon. The irony that they’re embracing the same combative dialogue and largely fictional oppression that the extreme feminists they’re complaining about doesn’t seem to matter.

I wouldn't be asking those questions here, all you're going to get is a bunch wailing at a fictional character. There are better places to get your information on feminist issues than a hyper-conservative wargaming forum.

Heh.

Sorry Chongara, but I happen to know that there is such a thing as feminist extremism. It actually harms your position to try and convince people otherwise.

@Dogma:

I know that there are reasonable feminists. But I know what you're saying, and it seems like you get what I was getting at.

When it comes right down to it though,I think sebster has this thread pegged.

sebster wrote:The irony that they’re embracing the same combative dialogue and largely fictional oppression that the extreme feminists they’re complaining about doesn’t seem to matter.

Here is a term used by Rush Limbaugh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminazi

In this context, a Conservative could use it (the term) against liberal feminists- no small segment of the population (which includes NOW- an organization of feminists with .5 million members).

Monster Rain wrote:Heh.

Sorry Chongara, but I happen to know that there is such a thing as feminist extremism. It actually harms your position to try and convince people otherwise.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Man-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a feminist. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Feminism is fundamentally about equality and any philosophy that opposes equality is inherently anti-feminist.

Does anyone here even know the definition of feminism?
Feminism
noun
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminism
now what you guys are talking about are the feminist that are portrayed in the media because they are afraid of the movement? and i ask you? why would you be against the equal rights of all humans?

Chongara wrote:I wouldn't be asking those questions here, all you're going to get is a bunch wailing at a fictional character. There are better places to get your information on feminist issues than a hyper-conservative wargaming forum.

Hyper-conservative..? HYPER-CONSERVATIVE?!?!?!?!!! GTFO. I'm the most Liberal motherf***er on the planet! (ok maybe not but I take offense to that! )

garret wrote:Does anyone here even know the definition of feminism?
Feminism
noun
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminism
now what you guys are talking about are the feminist that are portrayed in the media because they are afraid of the movement? and i ask you? why would you be against the equal rights of all humans?

Mmmk... There's the dictionary definition of Feminism.

And then there's actual feminists. And I don't think any of us are talking about 'media portrayal' of feminism, that's the brainwashing that course is doing to you. Most of the people in this thread (myself included) are talking about actual feminists we've encountered. And while there may be some feminists who aren't psycho-crazy, I'm sure there were also some Nazis who didn't hate Jews. Or wargamers who aren't socially awkward. (kidding!) They're generally the exception. The crazy and the stupid far outnumber the smart and the sane. If that weren't the case, Bush would never have been re-elected! (Or elected in the first place, but we all know Gore was the real winner. Bush only made it in 'cause his bro cheated for him with the voting "miscount" debacle.)

Chongara wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Heh.

Sorry Chongara, but I happen to know that there is such a thing as feminist extremism. It actually harms your position to try and convince people otherwise.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Man-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a feminist. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Feminism is fundamentally about equality and any philosophy that opposes equality is inherently anti-feminist.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Person-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a Christian. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Christianity is fundamentally about love and any philosophy that opposes love is inherently anti-Christian. Ergo, to say that there are Christians who hate homosexuals, or Muslims, is fundamentally absurd.

Are both of our statements correct?

MasterDRD wrote:And then there's actual feminists. And I don't think any of us are talking about 'media portrayal' of feminism, that's the brainwashing that course is doing to you. Most of the people in this thread (myself included) are talking about actual feminists we've encountered. And while there may be some feminists who aren't psycho-crazy, I'm sure there were also some Nazis who didn't hate Jews. Or wargamers who aren't socially awkward. (kidding

Thing is, most gamers aren’t socially awkward. Some are, and those are the guys who keep mentioning their level 12 barbarian in every conversation they have, whether the other person is a gamer or not. Those people are more readily identified as gamers, and give the lot of us a bad reputation.

It’s the same with feminists, or Christians, or atheists or whatever else. The most militant and annoying are the ones who mention the subject the most, and come to be seen as representative of the group as a whole, while the more moderate centre is largely ignored.

Not that I think this really has all that much to do with actual feminists, militant or otherwise. I work at a university and a lot of people I know are pretty far left, including all kinds of feminists, and I’ve met one person who could arguably call themselves a militant feminist.

People like to feel hard done by, and for a bunch of guys in their teens and twenties, the myth of the feminazi is a useful fantasy.

sebster wrote:

MasterDRD wrote:And then there's actual feminists. And I don't think any of us are talking about 'media portrayal' of feminism, that's the brainwashing that course is doing to you. Most of the people in this thread (myself included) are talking about actual feminists we've encountered. And while there may be some feminists who aren't psycho-crazy, I'm sure there were also some Nazis who didn't hate Jews. Or wargamers who aren't socially awkward. (kidding

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People like to feel hard done by, and for a bunch of guys in their teens and twenties, the myth of the feminazi is a useful fantasy.

I believe I already mentioned I was talking from personal experience?

MasterDRD wrote:I believe I already mentioned I was talking from personal experience?

Yeah, did you notice I also mentioend I'd met a fairly militant feminist myself, one time. But then I think that’s one person out of the thousands I’ve met, and I think about the fact that that one person has had no impact on my life, or on the lives of anyone I know.

So I think it’s pretty safe to think of her others like her as oddities, with no real relevance. I think other people don’t do the same because the myth of militant feminism has a great enough appeal.

I've met quite a few. A bit more than quite a few, in fact. And not all in one or 2 places, or over a short period of time. Now it is possible that there are more who just don't speak up at all, but then the question is do they really count? I believe in equality too, but I don't consider myself a 'feminist'. In fact if we were to go by the dictionary definition and ignore any social stigmas/connotations, I daresay any decent person would technically be a feminist.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Chongara wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Heh.

Sorry Chongara, but I happen to know that there is such a thing as feminist extremism. It actually harms your position to try and convince people otherwise.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Man-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a feminist. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Feminism is fundamentally about equality and any philosophy that opposes equality is inherently anti-feminist.

Any nutjob who takes up some kind of "Person-Hating" agenda or whatever is by definition not a Christian. It's like saying you have frozen boiling water, or feline parrots. Christianity is fundamentally about love and any philosophy that opposes love is inherently anti-Christian. Ergo, to say that there are Christians who hate homosexuals, or Muslims, is fundamentally absurd.

Are both of our statements correct?

I'm not entirely sure I'm well educated enough on Christianity to make that statement (at least not with any accuracy). It also doesn't help that Christianity is a fair bit longer lived and concerned with a great deal many more things than feminism. Feminism is something with a particularly well defined and somewhat narrow purposes - sex equality that hasn't even been around (or at least hasn't been relevant) for so much as 100 years. So it is a bit simpler to define what is and isn't wholly anti-feminist.

That said if If I had to simply give an answer, I'd probably give something like "Pretty Much" or "Close To". What I do know about christiany seems to make the central point roughly "Don't be a dick. No seriously, don't be a dick. Also Jesus is pretty damn awesome so all you other gods can gtfo".

Again though, it's very hard for me to feel comfortable making strong statements based on a single issue about a complex belief system that has been around for 2000+ years. Especially when I'm an Nontheist who has only at best read like, half the old testament and maybe 10 or 20% of the new testament and never taken any sort of formal class on the subject.



EDIT: However, certainly I'm sure there are people who are assigned the label of "Christian" or who attempt to take it that could not be honestly classified as christian by any stretch of the imagination, at least not by anyone who knows the first thing about Christianity (Note: not me).

dogma wrote:I always tell the story of the gender politics teacher that wouldn't let me in her class because she was afraid my overtly masculine appearance (I was a power-lifting 250 at the time, and didn't where sleeved shirts often) would stifle dialogue.

You should have promised her that you'd be the strong one and wouldn't give in to her advances until after class.

Ha! I did it. Took me five tries but I finally came up with one that wouldn't get me banned!

Chongara wrote:I'm not entirely sure I'm well educated enough on Christianity to make that statement (at least not with any accuracy). It also doesn't help that Christianity is a fair bit longer lived and concerned with a great deal many more things than feminism. Feminism is something with a particularly well defined and somewhat narrow purposes - sex equality that hasn't even been around (or at least hasn't been relevant) for so much as 100 years. So it is a bit simpler to define what is and isn't wholly anti-feminist.

That said if If I had to simply give an answer, I'd probably give something like "Pretty Much" or "Close To". What I do know about christiany seems to make the central point roughly "Don't be a dick. No seriously, don't be a dick. Also Jesus is pretty damn awesome so all you other gods can gtfo".

Well, in that case I certainly can't fault you for inconsistency. However, I think there are many who don't find such a method of defining ideologies to be useful. Rather, they merely say that a person subscribes to whatever ideology they claim to subscribe to, and an ideology may be faulted on these grounds, regardless of whether or not these people represent a "proper" implementation of the ideology's values.

I don't think this is necessarily the correct way to go about categorizing things, but I don't think it's necessarily incorrect either. Thus, I figured it was worth mentioning.

This crap sounds the same as when Black people around here, preach about how "the WHITE man keeps us down. We are oppressed by the WHITE man and all his holiness. No BLACK man can get a job in this state, because it all goes to WHITE folk." Yup, heard that in person, thats why its in quotes. Oddly enough I heard that at the unemployment office at the time.

I must be a black man too since I couldnt get a job


This crap is just that, crap. Anytime people start spouting off about equality my eyes glaze over and they sound like Charlie Browns teacher. I dont get paid enough, just like everyone else, I have gak on my plate too, I also have to pay taxes and deal with stupid people on a daily basis. Deal with it.

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Chongara wrote:I'm not entirely sure I'm well educated enough on Christianity to make that statement (at least not with any accuracy). It also doesn't help that Christianity is a fair bit longer lived and concerned with a great deal many more things than feminism. Feminism is something with a particularly well defined and somewhat narrow purposes - sex equality that hasn't even been around (or at least hasn't been relevant) for so much as 100 years. So it is a bit simpler to define what is and isn't wholly anti-feminist.

That said if If I had to simply give an answer, I'd probably give something like "Pretty Much" or "Close To". What I do know about christiany seems to make the central point roughly "Don't be a dick. No seriously, don't be a dick. Also Jesus is pretty damn awesome so all you other gods can gtfo".

Well, in that case I certainly can't fault you for inconsistency. However, I think there are many who don't find such a method of defining ideologies to be useful. Rather, they merely say that a person subscribes to whatever ideology they claim to subscribe to, and an ideology may be faulted on these grounds, regardless of whether or not these people represent a "proper" implementation of the ideology's values.

I don't think this is necessarily the correct way to go about categorizing things, but I don't think it's necessarily incorrect either. Thus, I figured it was worth mentioning.

Somehow It seems silly for someone else to be able to fault say, pacifists, because tomorrow me and a bunch of my friends decide to go out and start kicking puppies and claim we're doing it because we're pacifists.

I know. And it seems silly that some people should be able to fault muslims, just because a few of them decide to go out and blow up skyscrapers and claim they're muslims, right?

Chongara wrote:I wouldn't be asking those questions here, all you're going to get is a bunch wailing at a fictional character. There are better places to get your information on feminist issues than a hyper-conservative wargaming forum.

bs. I've met them. Take off your blinders and open your eyes.

I fully support equal pay for equal work, and equal opportunity.

I laugh/scoff at the militant feminists. They do exist. They are out there.

In fact, any form of militant hippism is wrong. Greenpeace and PETA come to mind.

Edit: And hyper-conservative makes me laugh. The off-topic area has both extremes in abundance. Liberal, Conservative, and Weiner-Progressives.

This thread is turning too serious.

Cheesecat wrote:And no I don't have a 12-inch penis nor..

So this guy walks into a bar and sees a foot-tall man playing the piano. He asks what it is all about and the barman tells him he'll tell him later.

So he asks the barman for a drink and the barman says,
'Before you get your drink you get to rub the magic beer bottle and make a wish.'

'OK,' says the guy.

He goes to the bottle and rubs it and, boom, out comes a genie, who says,
'You have one wish.'


The man goes back and makes a wish. There's a huge rush of sound and mass of feathers, and the bar is filled with ducks.

After the mess clears, he says 'what the hell man, I didn't wish for a million ducks?'

The barman replies, 'You think I asked for a 12-inch pianist?'

It's great to see that there are special classes for the slower members of the community so that they can get a grip on contemporary sexual politics.

I might note that whilst men are driven to dominate various aspects of their environment, women too are naturally inclined to collect as much and as varied genetic material as possible. Society affects us otherwise, and with good reason.

Off topic but I don't care, I got laid last night! Yes I'm posting this on the internet and you can't verify a thing I say, but there were 7 "moments" on her end. I love my life right now.

Dude, it's gross and sad that you're reporting this on the internet, especially on a toy soldier forum. It's like a minefield trying to read this board, never knowing when I'll have to hear about your exploits. Respectfully, but for real, please keep it to yourself.

Ignore that guy Cannerus, we want to hear all about it!

This thread has made me lose more of my faith in humanity. Now it's drifting into TMI territory.

SMITE.