Christopher Nolan’s third Batman film will be called “The Dark Knight Rises” and though the Gotham City auteur isn’t ready to reveal the villain of his 2012 film, he did eliminate one of the big contenders: “It won’t be the Riddler,” Nolan said in an exclusive interview with Hero Complex.
Riddler rumors were off target. (DC Comics)
Nolan was most eager to talk about the fact that Warner Bros. had agreed with his argument that the film should resist the current 3-D craze and instead use high-definition approaches and IMAX cameras to strike out on a different cinematic path than the stereoscopic technology that, for better or worse, has become the dominant conversation in the blockbuster sector.
Check back here later in the morning for a more in-depth look at that decision and the Nolan ambitions and reasons behind it.
As for the title, it shows the writer-director’s intention to keep his Bruce Wayne trilogy tightly stitched together. “We’ll use many of the same characters as we have all along, and we’ll be introducing some new ones,” Nolan said cryptically. I had an odd thought: What if Nolan somehow brings back Harvey Dent? The only reason I even mention it is because, back during post-production on the second film, Nolan told me that the title “The Dark Knight” was just as much about Dent and his fall from the status of shining-knight civic crusader. Dent was plainly dead at the end of the last film, though, and Nolan has been intent on keeping his Gotham City film firmly rooted in a gritty gangland realism– this isn’t a franchise that has veered off into the supernatural or even much super-science.
Nolan plays things close to the vest — he’s one of the few filmmakers of his generation who actually does wear a vest — and he chuckled when I tried to get a few more details out of him. “Oh, you know me, I don’t talk.” He began our conversation by comparing it with a visit to the dentist’s office. Well, if so, he’s a patient who never opens wide. I asked if he could imagine a time when Warner Bros. would let a filmmaker shoot a Batman script where the villain isn’t one of the signature creations from the comic books. “Ah, Geoff Boucher, master of the leading question,” he said with a chuckle.
That’s when he did agree, however, to eliminate a villain candidate, namely Edward Nigma, the green-suited Riddler, who many people (myself included) assumed was the next natural choice. That character could be taken in a lot of directions — think of Kevin Spacey’s character in “Seven” as a compass point for one of those dark paths — but Nolan and his team are going a different way. As with “Dark Knight,” the new film has a script written by Nolan and his brother, Jonah, and it’s based on a story by the director and David Goyer. Earlier, I got Nolan to take Mr. Freeze off the list and, yes, this is like pulling teeth but don’t think for a minute that I mind. Nolan makes sublime films, and any secrets he wants to keep in place are done so to protect the final product. As for me, I’m hoping now for Hugo Strange who, come to think of it, looks a bit like a dentist…
Not Riddler, not Freeze, it better not be Joker cause no one can live up to Heath Ledgers performance in that role... Whose left? Penguin and Catwoman seem to tame a follow up to the Joker. Hugo too. I can't see how we can go from Joker's insanity, to another typical everyday get rich villain. Scare Crow has been done, Ras is out (Talia might be an interesting introduction though...). Man bat and Clay Face are too sci-fi. Gah, trying to remember my Batman villains...
Meh. As long as they don't add any side kicks I think I'll live.
EDIT: I second the "3D" bit too. 3D is a waste of money.
I'm actually a bit disappointed that Riddler won't be the villain of choice.
I truly thought that a Riddler played in a "Zodiac" (or Kevin Spacey in Seven) style would be quite interesting.
Add Cat woman or Talla for Femme Fatal/eye candy purposes,and I assumed the third instalments villains would be sorted.
Now I have to reassess my initial ideas.
Man Bat and Clay Face would,as has been said,be far to Sci-Fi,and Mr, Freeze is out (thank god).
I don't see Nolan trying to bring The Joker back (yet),and of course other villains (Calender Man,Crazy Quilts and the like) just won't cut it.
I'm guessing Penguin and Cat Woman.
Deformed crime boss and S&M burglar FTW.
While it might be too obvious -- and Nolan and Goyer have said they're aren't afraid to make a less obvious choice -- I think Catwoman almost has to be involved. It's an iconic character, and the series is now glaringly missing a female lead.
However, if Catwoman is portrayed in her usual amoral way, then the film still needs a proper villain. Or at least I think it does. And while I think the Penguin could fit the universe, I dunno that he has enough pizazz.
Hmm, I can see a Kevin Spacey "Seven" kind of Riddler, but the Joker in the last film was dancing on the line of getting an R rating. To really do a creepy Riddler not sure how you'd avoid the R. Maybe you can. Maybe not cursing or showing some titties will let you get away with a lot, dunno.
As far as I know this is going to be grounded in reality as much as possible, hence no cross-overs with the other DC universe heroes and no magic or silly stuff like that.
Joker won't be returning because they believe nobody can top Heath's performance. Nolan himself said no Riddler, no mr. Freeze and no Penguin, so maybe..? Deadshot? Killer Croc? The Mad Hatter? Poison Ivy? The Ventriloquist? Catwoman has been hinted at though.
The thing is there are a limited number of villains in Batman's rouge gallery that could make the transition into "Nolan's world".
Ras,Joker and Scarecrow have been done,Riddler is one of the few others who could work the gritty Nolan world,so it's a bit of a shame not to use him...of course there is always the next film.
As for remaining "believable" villains...it's very limited.
Penguin
Cat Woman
Talla
Deadshot (slightly altered)
Ventriloquist.
Black mask or Hush...maybe
Laughing Man wrote:Kind of wish they'd throw Azrael in. I can't be the only one who liked AzBats...
I think you'd need another movie to add in Azrael, unless they made the last movie 4 hours long. Just too much to encompass with bat-lore and making a good movie.
The villan would have to fit the 'gangland' style of the first two films and be based in reality. The villan doesn't have to be someone famous from the comic books, it could be a minor villan who fits that stereotype.
Chalk me in on the thank god no 3d. Sheesh that fad hasnt passed yet?
This could be a cool movie though. Im getting rather annoyed with Christian Bales voice as Batman but the movies are still pretty good so far. I think the riddler as a total nutjob with a splash of kevin spacey would just be awesome. Never thought of him that way.
The mad hatter would be dumb IMO, never cared for that guy what so ever. I just hope that if it is catwoman, the character will be cool, and the actress does it justice, because lately catwoman has been well...... you know
Cryonicleech wrote:I could see the Penguin, but I was hoping for the Riddler. They'd have to work with the Penguin a bit, but it's definitely possible.
Possible maybe, but hes another one of them that Im iffy on. Never been a big fan of his at all. It would have to be pretty dark
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Cryonicleech wrote:I could see the Penguin, but I was hoping for the Riddler. They'd have to work with the Penguin a bit, but it's definitely possible.
Possible maybe, but hes another one of them that Im iffy on. Never been a big fan of his at all. It would have to be pretty dark
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Bane was a badass thats for sure. And I did like his character as well. I think its a hulk smashing kindda thing lol
And they dont even have to make it scifi. He could just be a REALLY big and strong dude. I mean imagine a 7ish foot tall guy that is as strong as a world tough man competitor against normal folk. That would SUCK for us
KingCracker wrote:Bane was a badass thats for sure. And I did like his character as well. I think its a hulk smashing kindda thing lol
And they dont even have to make it scifi. He could just be a REALLY big and strong dude. I mean imagine a 7ish foot tall guy that is as strong as a world tough man competitor against normal folk. That would SUCK for us
Even then, Bane isn't all about being big and strong. He's also a genius. The guy was the first to truly beat Batman because he figured out that, individually, the rogues were no problem for Batman to beat, so he released them all at the same time. The guy knows how to mentally play with people, is all I'm saying. So yeah, Bane would be awesome.
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Even then, Bane isn't all about being big and strong. He's also a genius. The guy was the first to truly beat Batman because he figured out that, individually, the rogues were no problem for Batman to beat, so he released them all at the same time. The guy knows how to mentally play with people, is all I'm saying. So yeah, Bane would be awesome.
I really hope it's Bane as well....if only for the sole purpose of destroying the abomination that Batman & Robin created.....never had I ever been so dissappointed at a movie adaptation as that....
Spoiler:
I mean this is the guy that broke Batmans back over his knee
.....and they turned him into a big dumb zombie ape that just mumbled "bane.."
I vote "BANE!!!!"
why not the riddler the riddler is awesome what is actually better than fake bombs full of jello attached to a bridge but if not him it should be bat mite ,bane(the smarter one though the dumb one i could beat off with a spoon ),the red queen and Alice(and the rest) or the silent killer drink.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually forget what i just said it should be the good clay face and that bloke who drank the clay face serum after he realized he couldn't do adverts.
Penguin could be good if done as a true organized crime type villain. We haven't really had that.
Frankly they should have stopped at Dark Knight. Why insult the greatness of that work with lesser films?
Alternatively, are there any vigilantes in the Batman repertoire? It would be interesting to have Batman having gone off the edge, and being pursued by others that view him as the villain.
Frazzled wrote:Penguin could be good if done as a true organized crime type villain. We haven't really had that.
Frankly they should have stopped at Dark Knight. Why insult the greatness of that work with lesser films?
Alternatively, are there any vigilantes in the Batman repertoire? It would be interesting to have Batman having gone off the edge, and being pursued by others that view him as the villain.
If your setting yourself up as the next Batman villian, I don't think Frazzled the Wonder Weiner fits the bill.
Frazzled wrote:Penguin could be good if done as a true organized crime type villain. We haven't really had that.
Frankly they should have stopped at Dark Knight. Why insult the greatness of that work with lesser films?
Alternatively, are there any vigilantes in the Batman repertoire? It would be interesting to have Batman having gone off the edge, and being pursued by others that view him as the villain.
If your setting yourself up as the next Batman villian, I don't think Frazzled the Wonder Weiner fits the bill.
YES! Batman's newest, most diabolical foe. An unstoppable tide of evil!
Led by their evil arch mastermind and his moronic cohort
Frazzled wrote:Penguin could be good if done as a true organized crime type villain. We haven't really had that.
Frankly they should have stopped at Dark Knight. Why insult the greatness of that work with lesser films?
Alternatively, are there any vigilantes in the Batman repertoire? It would be interesting to have Batman having gone off the edge, and being pursued by others that view him as the villain.
Mark this date in your calendar - I (mostly) agree with Frazzled.
I know, I know... I took it pretty hard too, but there it is.
The only thing I disagree with is stopping at Dark Knight. I want more!
Frazzled wrote:Penguin could be good if done as a true organized crime type villain. We haven't really had that.
This.
With all the Crimelords reeling from Jokers power grab, the underworld seems ripe for someone to come and grab the reins. Have the Penguin come in as a Kingpin kind of character, who's "legitimate" as a buisiness owner, but is also controlling the organized crime. Like an evil version of Bruce Wayne.
Catwoman can be involved as a 'rogue' element that's playing both sides of the fence, "Fistfull of Dollars" style. Throw in some tension between her and Batman, as they both understand the lure of living behind the mask, and bam, you've got a movie.
The ownly downside to that is that it's pretty much Batman: Returns...just hopefully not as sucky.
I heard the new villain is might be Particle Man. Or they could go with Triangle Man. But, there's also Universe Man and Person Man. No matter what though, when they fight, Triangle always wins. So I'd say it will most likely be Triangle Man.
Hmm, Riddler cast as a private investigator committing crimes to trap Batman seemed to make the most sense, but I guess not.
The Penguin doesn't make much sense, once you strip out all the fantastical stuff he's just a gang lord, and halfway through the first movie they were being dispatched in a subplot - Batman's beyond fighting a crime boss at this point. Bane is just a non-entity, basically defined as being smart and fighty, but what's the actual theme to the guy?
I'm thinking maybe Harley Quinn, as a follower of the Joker, but probably not...
I'd like them to create a new antagonist not from the mythos. My pitch would be a really straight and narrow cop who is out to arrest batman and who si really good at his job- maybe an FBI agent or something? He'd be the major antagonist and point of philosophical debate. Then I'd go for some minor villains for batman to deal with- maybe a nasty serial killer (Zsaz stands out here as a choice and he's already been mentioned) or crime boss (black mask, perhaps?) I think they shouldn't feel limited to the rogues gallery if it's not going to work well on screen.
Da Boss wrote:I'd like them to create a new antagonist not from the mythos. My pitch would be a really straight and narrow cop who is out to arrest batman and who si really good at his job- maybe an FBI agent or something? He'd be the major antagonist and point of philosophical debate. Then I'd go for some minor villains for batman to deal with- maybe a nasty serial killer (Zsaz stands out here as a choice and he's already been mentioned) or crime boss (black mask, perhaps?) I think they shouldn't feel limited to the rogues gallery if it's not going to work well on screen.
sebster wrote:Bane is just a non-entity, basically defined as being smart and fighty, but what's the actual theme to the guy?
Bane's theme is that he is essentially a dark mirror of Batman, equally as formidable in terms of what he can achieve, but instead of protecting the innocent he kills them on a whim. Seemed like a good idea to me.
There's some great stuff in there but I think it's still too zany (i.e., the kind of Batman I prefer) for Nolan's film.
In a Nolan film, Talia ought to be introduced as the new Ra's. With Dent and the secret ID out of the way, we need some new wrench to throw into the Bruce/Rachel relationship. Also, Maggie Gyllenhal ain't as kind on the eyes as a big picture main squeeze needs to be. Some suitable vixen as Talia qua Ra's would add some beauty, class, danger, and headgames--everything even a "realistic" batfilm requires.
I just don't want to see Liam Neeson returning, barring a cameo in flashbacks.
You know, it is a huge pity Nolan isn't using the Riddler - it would have been a great opportunity to fix the damage done to the character by Jim Carrey's performance.
Sigh... a man can dream, though...
I don't know if its been mentioned but Christopher Nolan has said that he felt Penguin was TOO unrealistic for his batman, so I'm ruling that one out too.
I have to agree with that, Hollywood is already full of enough thin ladies playing the roles as the eye candy in the movie I think Christina Hendrix more voluptuous form would make for a type of eye candy that is more unique. Plus who doesn't
Not a big Batman fan (I prefer Marvel) but I really hope they do Catwoman. Isn't she the character who tries to bring out his darker, carefree side and the two have a love/hate relationship? Or am I confusing her with Spidermans Black Cat?
WarOne wrote:The recent Batman villian Hush could be interesting.
However, they need a villian that is convincing; one that is real enough and does not come off as whackjob looney with no attachment to reality.
Of course I don't know if they really top the Joker and Al'Ghul; two of Batman's most real and dangerous opponents already depicted.
It won't be Hush, simply because Hush needs Jason Todd, Clayface, and a crapload of other characters to be introduced previously.
I can see it being Two-Face, and beginning towards introducing a Robin character.
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I could see it being Deathstroke or Ras Al'Ghul and gradually plunging Batman from being what he is now...to the DC Universe proper, setting it up towards Justice League.
I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.
I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.
LordofHats wrote:I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.
I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.
Nolan has made it very clear that he has no intention of bringing the character of Robin into his "Bat-World"
LordofHats wrote:I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.
I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.
Nolan has made it very clear that he has no intention of bringing the character of Robin into his "Bat-World"
Which, frankly, is kinda stupid. You can only rely on Batman for so much.
It doesn't have to be Dick Grayson's Robin, starting off as a little kid until he goes to college then later becomes Nightwing.
It could very easily be a Tim Drake or Jason Todd styled Robin.
LordofHats wrote:I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.
I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.
Nolan has made it very clear that he has no intention of bringing the character of Robin into his "Bat-World"
Thank goodness. In the gritty realism of Gotham, there is only room for people above the age of 18 jumping off buildings and playing super hero. Throwing a kid in is the proverbial shark to be jumped and shifting him to an adult just stretches the ability to suspend disbelief with the level of intensity he's been handling the series.
LordofHats wrote:I don't know. I'll be sad is Nolan goes the DC route and starts resurrecting the dead just for the fun of it. That's some weak story making.
I still hold that Talia and Catwoman make the most likely new introductions for the story. Hopefully Nolan is smart enough to steer clear of adding a sidekick.
Nolan has made it very clear that he has no intention of bringing the character of Robin into his "Bat-World"
Thank goodness. In the gritty realism of Gotham, there is only room for people above the age of 18 jumping off buildings and playing super hero. Throwing a kid in is the proverbial shark to be jumped and shifting him to an adult just stretches the ability to suspend disbelief with the level of intensity he's been handling the series.
Yes and no.
It all depends on how you set up whichever incarnation of Robin's background.
With Dick Grayson, it works simply because he wasn't "a kid", but was more around the age of 10-14(depending on which specific timeframe/author we're talking about the origin of Grayson from) and had been doing the same kind of strenuous physical activity via the acrobatics(without a bloody net, not to mention) that Bruce regularly did. The only thing Grayson didn't have too much experience in was combat, but I'd assume having Wayne as your mentor would count for something there.
With Jason Todd, it'd be a harder sell but it would also open the door for the Red Hood storyline, which was absurdly insanely awesome. Todd was a street kid, found stealing the tires off the Batmobile in Crime Alleysince he was neglected by his parents. Wayne puts him in a school for troubled kids, things go bad there--Wayne gets a new ward.
With Tim Drake, he's a mix of Todd and Grayson, with a bit of Wayne thrown in. It's been said by Bruce that Drake will "one day be an even better detective than I could ever dream of being". Drake's not Grayson, he does occasionally mouth off to Wayne but unlike Todd...he does listen to him.
Plus, Drake's the only one that actually wore armored boots/pants, so that must count for something
I just finished Batman and Son by Grant Morrison. It would be a bit of a rip off of that comic but would be nice to tie in Ras' daughter and leave it a bit open for Batman to have a son later on that could generate more material. Granted I've only read the first issue, I felt it was a pretty good storyline.
If we buy into that than something like Year One, which had no specific antagonist (mafia and law enforcement were the antagonists) should be a bad Batman story instead of the watershed moment it was.
Ahtman wrote:Nolan is only doing a trilogy (or so he says) so I doubt he is going to be worrying about laying groundwork for other films.
I'm pretty sure Nolan's also the one who they tapped to do a "Justice League" movie in the future, so I reaaaaaaaaallly doubt he wouldn't pull a Marvel and lay the groundwork for that in "The Dark Knight Rises".
Ahtman wrote:Nolan is only doing a trilogy (or so he says) so I doubt he is going to be worrying about laying groundwork for other films.
I'm pretty sure Nolan's also the one who they tapped to do a "Justice League" movie in the future, so I reaaaaaaaaallly doubt he wouldn't pull a Marvel and lay the groundwork for that in "The Dark Knight Rises".
Well begin to doubt, true believer. This Batman universe has nothing to do with the rest of the DC universe. There will be no references to other Super heroes or villains. Nolan was given the executive producer chair for the next Superman movie (not Justice League), which will be unconnected to his Batman trilogy. He has stated on multiple occasions that his world has no super powered people such as Superman or Green Lantern and will not be putting them in it. After his trilogy I would not be surprised if the next person to take over the franchise has some standing orders to try and incorporate Batman into a WB/DC movie universe, but it isn't happening here. Just read the interviews with the man. He isn't esoteric about these things.
Ahtman wrote:If we buy into that than something like Year One, which had no specific antagonist (mafia and law enforcement were the antagonists) should be a bad Batman story instead of the watershed moment it was.
Yes, but that was an origin story as opposed to a mainstream thing. Also, Catwoman was in that.
Ahtman wrote:At best she was a love interest more than a villain in Year One.
Point, but you see where I'm coming from? Catwoman is still part of the Rogue's Gallery, and therefore my point does have some validity. I'm not saying that any Batman comic/film without a member of his club of villains in it is bad, far from it, it's just that they are one of the things that make the character of Bats so iconic.
Kanluwen wrote:Which, frankly, is kinda stupid. You can only rely on Batman for so much.
It doesn't have to be Dick Grayson's Robin, starting off as a little kid until he goes to college then later becomes Nightwing.
It could very easily be a Tim Drake or Jason Todd styled Robin.
I think in this telling of Batman Wayne's personal drive is very much his own kind of lunacy that mirrors the villains he chases. When other people became involved, such as the other vigilantes, it ended very badly.
In this telling of Batman he really can only rely on himself. Giving him a young streetfighter friend would bugger that up entirely.
Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Batman is on the run from the law.
Does he need a nutcase villain when he has law enforcement chasing him?
Which is why people were saying the Riddler, recast as a private eye or as a policeman, setting up crimes and leaving clues to trap the Batman was so likely a villain.
So not Riddler, Joker, Mr Freeze, Two Face, Penguin or Catwoman -_-
Are there any villains left? I mean it can't be Clayface, Bane or Poison Ivy since Meta-Humans don't exist in the films. Scarecrow's not really in the big leagues in the Nolan-verse. Harley Quinn would be a bad rip off. Mad Hatter and Ventriloquist are just plain dumb. Ra's al Ghul's dead. Red Hood doesn't exist since Robin doesn't
Deadshot was already in Gotham Knights but is possible though he would be good enough for the title villain, same problem with Mr. Zsasz, though his cameo was in Batman Begins if I remember right. Talia Al Ghul is possible, but IMO wouldn't really fit that well in.
Hush, Black Mask and Hugo Strange are all possible and very good antagonists (I know Hush would usually need Clayface and Robin, but it could be easy enough to edit his past to fit in the Nolan-verse)
I think Nolan actually said no traditional villains, which would honestly be a shame as while Batman is badass, he has the best villains gallery in the entire of DC and quite possibly the entire of Superhero based comics.
Millar said he knew who the Batman 3 villain was, that he knew they were filming a big scene outside of Gotham, and this villain was one of his favorites as a boy
Now I don't know about everyone else, but am I the only one thinking this could be a non-Batman villain? Now this may only be a cameo or something and it's not the best veracity so don't hold me to this
Killer Croc has a rather large chance, so my money is on Killer Croc, Black Mask or Hush, though I wish it'd be Riddler and I've always been interested in the idea of a villain along the lines of Lex Luthor making some form of appearance in the Nolan-verse as he seems the type that would certainly fit
Killer Croc may make an appearance, or, god forbid, Solomon Grundy, if they are going to a swamp.
From AV Club:
Christopher Nolan has confirmed that his third Batman film will be called The Dark Knight Rises. As the director hints in this typically careful interview with the L.A. Times, this may be significant for reasons besides maintaining the darkly dark tone of his last film: Nolan has said that the title The Dark Knight was just as much a reference to Harvey Dent, and again he confirms that this film will use “many of the same characters as we have all along”
Lyta ' Vorlon Psionic TacNuke' Alexandra was waaaay hotter than Talia 'The Corps is Mother' Winters.
She must have been a Texan. Don't tick her off. Protip If her eyes go all black, vacate the planet. IMMEDIATELY. (SOP for all Texas wives, even if they run into your own car, just be glad it wasn't your car and not you)
Kanluwen wrote:Which, frankly, is kinda stupid. You can only rely on Batman for so much.
It doesn't have to be Dick Grayson's Robin, starting off as a little kid until he goes to college then later becomes Nightwing.
It could very easily be a Tim Drake or Jason Todd styled Robin.
I think in this telling of Batman Wayne's personal drive is very much his own kind of lunacy that mirrors the villains he chases. When other people became involved, such as the other vigilantes, it ended very badly.
In this telling of Batman he really can only rely on himself. Giving him a young streetfighter friend would bugger that up entirely.
You're missing the point of Robin, entirely.
The character of Robin has, and always will be, Bruce's "voice of reason" and/or "humanity". He's Bruce's sounding board when it comes to his detective work, but when he can't go to Alfred.
The only time that was an exception was Jason Todd, and that's more because Todd just...wasn't all there from the start. He was broken to begin with, and Bruce couldn't save him. His death, and resurrection, is always going to be Bruce's biggest failure.
No no no. Robin was there as someone for the kids reading the comics to identify with and to 'lighten' up the comic a bit. There are interviews with Bob Kane that cover this ground. Those other justifications came later.
Kanluwen wrote:Those interviews with Bob Kane also stated how Robin was put in "So that it wasn't Batman talking to himself, as a kind of Watson to Batman's Holmes".
So you can't have it both ways. And Batman was pretty light-hearted even before the introduction of Robin.
We are reading different interviews, and as for being lite-hearted, are you insane? He ran around with a pistol and shot mobsters. Then they added villians like Hugo Strange that would do hideous experiments on people. DC felt it to dark and wanted to be able to bring in more readers. I'll go find the interview later. Considering how long ago this happened and the number of interviews Kane did, I wouldn't be surprised if both versions have been said.
The latest Dark Knight Rises casting rumours point to Clayface as the movie's villain.
According to ComicBookMovie, Kacie Thomas and Vera Farmiga have auditioned for the role of Bruce Wayne's love interest Julie Madison.
The character was previously engaged to Wayne, and also targeted by Basil Karlo - aka Clayface - in the pages of Detective Comics. This has led to speculation that he might appear in Christopher Nolan's third Batman film.
Charlize Theron has also reportedly been approached to play Commissioner Gordon's love interest Detective Sarah Essen.
Former speculation that the film's main villain would be the Riddler has been quashed by Nolan. Tom Hardy has reportedly been cast in an unnamed role in the movie.
hmm... I think Clayface might be a bit OTT for the tone set so far, unless they tweak him so he's "merely" great at disguises or something. Might be a red herring too perhaps.
According to Wiki, Sarah was his murdered wife. They had a brief fling after he moved to Gotham and things were not super awesome at home, then she transferred to New York. Later, Gordon's first wife left him. Eventually Sarah came back to Gotham, they did the nasty, got married and eventually the Joker shot her in the face. In the real comics that story took 20 years to tell.
This may have been mentioned before, but I recall Nolan saying that the Villan had been refrenced before within the Nolan-verse, Which Immediatly brings to mind Victor Zsasz (First Crane/Scarecrow scene in Begins, Crane is claiming reviewing Zsasz in a court).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zsasz
Although, Hush, or Perharps Prometheus (Although he may be TOO comic book (if you know what I mean).
Harley could work, but without the joker (or at least Ledger) it would be VERY difficult to write in.
Also heres hoping there's No Robin (Grayson/Todd OR Drake) although, saying that Drake Robin becomes (kinda) The Joker so could intro Harley, But thats a VERY long plot for one film.
I'm going to put this in spoiler tags even though this is rumoured..
Spoiler:
Tom Hardy is rumoured to have been cast as Dr Hugo Strange in director Christopher Nolan's film The Dark Knight Rises.
Total Film reports that the upcoming sequel will be based on the graphic novel Prey and feature Batman being pursued by Hardy's deranged police psychiatrist.
Prey's storyline follows Dr Hugo Strange as he hypnotises a police officer into becoming a vigilante in an attempt to bring Batman out of hiding.
The movie's cinematographer Wally Pfister recently revealed that sections of The Dark Knight Rises will be filmed in IMAX.
Nolan is thought to be still searching for a leading lady
No, no. Unfortunately, Riddler has been categorically stated by the director as not being in the film. A great pity, but whatever, I guess we'll have to wait for the damage done by Joel Schumacher to be fixed.
I honestly hope that little part about Angelina Jolie being the Catwoman is a lie........I mean REALLY hope its a lie. Its not that I hate the chick, its more like she seems to ruin films imo
well perhaps (seriously PERHAPS) the "its not the riddler" is merely the groundwork in itself for Viral marketing, if your remember before Dark knight, there was a whole heap of "I Believe in Harvey Dent" kicking around the web, which later had been 'Hacked' and Graffitti'd By 'The Joker', But hey who knows.
Here's a REALLY slowed Idea for a villain: Deadpool.
He turns up (all be it once) in the DC universe, and has a hit on Bruce Wayne,
And seeing how there's a Deadpool movie in the Pipeline...
I've thought about this more and more recently and I have started to think that Bane actually can and will work. I can see where Bane's super destructiveness could overwhelm Batman to the point where he breaks both emotionally and physically all while Bruce tries to deal with duality of being attracted to Catwoman and (only a rumor btw) Naomi Watt's character. The stress and weight of the issues involving these 3 things could show Batman really start to lose it and show some character vulnerability that can play into the storiy's themes. Plus I also trust Nolan to do "all that is necessary" to make this a great movie. All in all I will reserve judgment until I see the trailer at least XD.
One thing to point out here...the movie's title probably isn't an accident. IIRC, Nolan and co. said that "The Dark Knight" intentionally had a dual meaning. Witness Harvey's speech about it being darkest just before the dawn. TDK was about Batman at his lowest and darkest...I suspect TDKR will be more about the "dawn" and end on an up note with more of an ascendent Bruce/Batman.
I personally like the newer Batman movies. Sure you can pick them apart, and I personally think Christian Bale has a terrible Batman voice, but Im digging the darker set up. And as Ive said before, Bane is awesome, I think he will fit in nicely.
