Why America is so hated is probably because of south park, well this is one among other things but probably mainly south park don't get me wrong here I love south park but the way they make fun of people like muhamad or however you spell that name and other things that show is probably going to get us bombed....
First up, America isn't 'so hated'. It regularly shows up as overwhelmingly more liked than disliked, even in the Middle East.
Second up, hatred of the US reflects mostly on the haters, and to the extent that any hate is justified it's to do with overthrowing governments you don't like and things like that, not basic cable shows.
Aye, satire is a purely American art. And South Park is very commonly translated into Arabic and broadcast into Islamic countries. Let's not forget how it is publicly funded, and the writers are regularly elected or appointed as representatives of our country.
I think it may have more to do with our habit of taking unilateral action against other countries, and our firm belief that we are better than all other countries and all other forms of government.
This thread screams potential trolling but we'll leave open for the moment. Be warned: Dakka Rule #1 applies here on a strict liability level.
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People that hated the US hated the US long before the guys that made South Park were even born.
I really don't feel like the US is as hated as CNN wants us to think. They make money by making people feel like the world is going to end tomorrow. Thats how they get people to tune in and the more people that tune in, the more their advertisers pay. Or something to that effect.
That and just the fact that the haters are more vocal, and the people that aren't haters don't have any reason to say anything. It's just like message boards on the interwebs, hardly anyone uses em to say they like something, they're used by people who want to whine and complain and make their voice be heard by people who don't care. Hell, look at 90% of the posts right here on Dakka....
If people hated the US, why are so many still trying to get in, and hardly anyone trying to get out? I think Obama said something like that, back when everyone thought he was the new jesus.
SilverMK2 wrote:I think it is because you don't play cricket, and play football with your hands.
What else would you play it with? Your feet? Sorry, America is not a country of primitive barbarians; they're called opposable thumbs get with the program we're not monkeys peeling bananas anymore.
As the most advanced nation in the world we've moved past flailing at a ball with those things you call legs. Enjoy living in the past and driving on the left side of the road. Pffft... left how quaint.
And he's working now restoring homes-kind of cool that.
In other news the Shanker got himself a snake this morning and rolled on his trophy in a weiner dog victory dance. TBone was heard muttering "what an idiot" as he waddled inside. TBone doesn't do mornings.
BloodDrop101X wrote:Why America is so hated is probably because of south park, well this is one among other things but probably mainly south park don't get me wrong here I love south park but the way they make fun of people like muhamad or however you spell that name and other things that show is probably going to get us bombed....
Nah. The rest of the world (well, Europe. Barring Germany) has a pretty good sense of humour. I love South Park me.
Of all the things America may or may not have done to piss people off, South Park is pretty low on the list
I laff everytime, I see some ill-informed, self-loathing, pre-pubescent, internet nimrod troll say things like...
"I can stand living in America..." or "I wish I could move out of America!" or "This is why the world hates us!"
Come one Bevis! You couldn't move out of your parents basement if you had a thousand bucks and a flat bed truck!
I spent 8 years in the Army Signal Corp, squatting in hell-holes like Iraq and the DMZ of Korea, so you could hate how good you have it.
You don't know anything... you say America is "so hated" ... A good friend of mine Tariq Malik an engineer in Saudia Arabia (orignally from Pakistan) said to me, when I asked him while deep in my own naievette'...
"Why do so many Muslims have such anger for America?"
He said to me...
"Muslims say they hate America, but if America said that all the Muslims were welcome to come to America, right now, all that would be left in the streets would be Dogs and old men."
And it is true, America is great, as good or better than anywhere and everywhere else.
As I was saying, charmingly crazy. Not quite as out-and-out loony as us Brits, but wonderfully entertaining.
Real friendly too, if my dad's trip to the States was anything to go by.
BloodDrop101X wrote:Why America is so hated is probably because of south park, well this is one among other things but probably mainly south park don't get me wrong here I love south park but the way they make fun of people like muhamad or however you spell that name and other things that show is probably going to get us bombed....
Im pretty sure a statement like that is what pisses terrorists off.
Connor McKane wrote:
America is great, as good or better than anywhere and everywhere else.
America... good? yeah i suppose.. > than anywhere, oh i disagree.
Me? i dislike for what America did in past events, but i can't say anything since my ancestors almost wiped out an entire race (aboriginals). I also dislike their presidents (past/recent) and what they have done. Yet im sure if i met individuals in America (not that i would go there, nothing interesting imo) they would be nice people (to an extent). Your accent enrages me, American English enrages me (ad-vertis-ment not ad-vert-ise-ment etc. etc.). How they back stabbed Ho Chi Minh enrages me. For some unknown reason we help... or try to assist American in their fights, that enrages me (but that's our fault!). The way your culture is so heavily influencing Australia enrages me (again, 50-50 on the blame side).
I have more but i don't think it matters, i could go on to how i dislike Australia, or India etc.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and the majority of American computer games (e.g. call of duty, medal of honour)
KingCracker wrote:Im pretty sure a statement like that is what pisses terrorists off.
Due to the alphabet and scripts used in Arabic and English (or indeed any non-Arabic language), there are actually quite a few ways of spelling it. Same with the spelling of their holy book and indeed pretty much anything which does not have a fixed spelling already in English (such as objects, processes, etc).
UbiSwanky2 wrote:People hate america because we invented all the good things like Peanutbutter, Closed cartridged bullets, and Febreze...and they're just jealous.
Might also be because you claim to have invented everything when much of it is stolen from other people *coughrocketssupersonicflightradaretccough*
Generalisation is usually a strong indication of ignorance.
To assume everyone hates something is to be ignorant. To assume everyone likes something is also to be ignorant.
Grouping an entire country and judging it upon the actions of a few people, is simply judging that sample and not the whole. While it may confer some sort of indication to the behaviour of the entire population, it actually doesn't.
UbiSwanky2 wrote:People hate america because we invented all the good things like Peanutbutter, Closed cartridged bullets, and Febreze...and they're just jealous.
Hello, I'm a British person. I'm glad to see that you Yanks are enjoying the Jet Engine and Whiskey, as well as our rather significant contributions to the Television, our invention of the Pencil and of course the Full English Breakfast.
I, however, do like peanut butter, so thanks!
Connor McKane wrote:
America is great, as good or better than anywhere and everywhere else.
America... good? yeah i suppose.. > than anywhere, oh i disagree.
Me? i dislike for what America did in past events, but i can't say anything since my ancestors almost wiped out an entire race (aboriginals). I also dislike their presidents (past/recent) and what they have done.
You didn't mind when the US was the only thing that stood between you and bowing to the Rising Sun.
Mr. Burning wrote:Jazz, influenced by African and European traditions, in African American communities.
America as a melting pot.
A big pot of glorious Queso!!! Someone get some chips.
To the topic, my granddad who only spoke Enlish as a fourth language noted that when he was in port he never told anyone he was an American citizen, that there were people who didn't like the US even before WWII. When Frazzled Sr. was in foreign places in North Africa in the late 50s he was warned to watch out that the natives hate Americans, and this was after we had liberated the country he was in from the umpah band types. So blah blah whatever.
On the positive, Its better to be feared than loved.
-some guy with a moustache.
I have a feeling this thread will turn to who invented what, pitting the brits and the yanks, and a nigh-unreadable discussion about football, soccer, and rugby.
"Evidence of peanut butter as it is known today comes from US patent #306727,[3] issued in 1884 to Marcellus Gilmore Edson of Montreal, Quebec, Canada, for the finished product of the process of milling roasted peanuts between heated surfaces until the peanuts entered "a fluid or semi-fluid state." " (Wikipedia)
Connor McKane wrote:
America is great, as good or better than anywhere and everywhere else.
America... good? yeah i suppose.. > than anywhere, oh i disagree.
Me? i dislike for what America did in past events, but i can't say anything since my ancestors almost wiped out an entire race (aboriginals). I also dislike their presidents (past/recent) and what they have done.
You didn't mind when the US was the only thing that stood between you and bowing to the Rising Sun.
Dude, that's a pretty big slap in the face to the ANZACs there. Though The US played a large part in it, it isn't right to just go and dismiss the sacrifice of the Australian armed forces in the field of battle, especially as they took some pretty serious casualties fighting for their homeland.
Just saying, is all.
Connor McKane wrote:
America is great, as good or better than anywhere and everywhere else.
America... good? yeah i suppose.. > than anywhere, oh i disagree.
Me? i dislike for what America did in past events, but i can't say anything since my ancestors almost wiped out an entire race (aboriginals). I also dislike their presidents (past/recent) and what they have done.
You didn't mind when the US was the only thing that stood between you and bowing to the Rising Sun.
Dude, that's a pretty big slap in the face to the ANZACs there. Though The US played a large part in it, it isn't right to just go and dismiss the sacrifice of the Australian armed forces in the field of battle, especially as they took some pretty serious casualties fighting for their homeland.
Just saying, is all.
Thats what happens when you slap an American, we slap back.
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Well, there is that, but even so.
Still, nobody's denying the US Fleet gave the Rising Sun hell. Just saying it wasn't entirely down to them.
Yea. It was.
EDIT: I should amend that. While it was the US that decided the thing, the Brit Commonwealth forces (is that how you would say it), Phillipinos, Chinese, even da Rooskies and other occupied forces all did their part.
Sorry for being away so long my signifigant other is very sick at the moment guys.
I'm not saying at all that south park is completly to blame but that show and others like that make fun of other countries, religions that they hold near and dear etc. Makes people mad, and hate us this is just one reason among alot of others. I know America isn't completly hated by the world, but the hate for us that is there is probably caused by things like thisAnd many others thats is all I was trying to say. I was not trying to start a trolling thread I was trying to be serious and just state somthing I thought could be cause for some hate for my country.
BloodDrop101X wrote:I'm not saying at all that south park is completly to blame but that show and others like that make fun of other countries, religions that they hold near and dear etc. Makes people mad, and hate us this is just one reason among alot of others. I know America isn't completly hated by the world, but the hate for us that is there is probably caused by things like thisAnd many others thats is all I was trying to say. I was not trying to start a trolling thread I was trying to be serious and just state somthing I thought could be cause for some hate for my country.
So you're saying they hate the US because we have freedom of speech? That's good, as far as I'm concerned I want to be hated by anyone that hates the idea of freedom of speech and who would kill people for satirizing things they hold dear. Bowing down and abandoning fundamental principles of human freedom because some people can't take a joke is really pretty pathetic.
I like this idea that only the United States has ever said anything about other countries and only the US has done questionable things in the past. The rest of the world is just a big love-in, but not here in the hate fueled US.
Ahtman wrote:I like this idea that only the United States has ever said anything about other countries and only the US has done questionable things in the past. The rest of the world is just a big love-in, but not here in the hate fueled US.
We're just a bunch of meanies. Its probably because of our uber dominance in processed foods Now that I think about it it has to be the food. The rest of the world hates us because we take their delicacies and put beef and cheese on it (and occasionally bacon) and make it better. they're jealous because they didn't think of it first.
Guess the hate part depends on who you are and where you're standing. Some brazilians hate us portuguese and say lots of infantile stuff about us. Here, some don't like the brazilians, others don't like certain africans, others the romanians...
I think a fairer question regarding this would be what do the people here don't like about America. Saying that people dislike America because of South Park is wrong. It makes fun of the Americans as much, if not more, than any other country or people in the world.
Albatross wrote:My point was, saying 'well, Sudan does it...' is pretty stupid when your country is supposed to be 'The Land Of The Free, Home of the... etc.'
I think the point was that having the Sudan on the Human Rights council, to some people, makes the UN look like a complete sham that is to be mocked and ignored.
Albatross wrote:My point was, saying 'well, Sudan does it...' is pretty stupid when your country is supposed to be 'The Land Of The Free, Home of the... etc.'
I think the point was that having the Sudan on the Human Rights council, to some people, helps make the UN a complete sham that is to be mocked and ignored.
Corrected your miniscule typo.
On that note:
U.N. Human Rights Council to Take Aim at New Target: United States
By George Russell
Published November 04, 2010 | FoxNews.com
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When the United Nations Human Rights Council, a conclave of 47 nations that includes such notorious human rights violators as China, Cuba, Libya and Saudi Arabia, meets in Geneva on Friday, its attentions will be focused on the human rights failings of a country called the United States.
It will hear, among other things, that the U.S. discriminates against Muslims, that its police are barbaric and that it has been holding political prisoners behind bars for years.
Those allegations, and many more, will come from Americans themselves — especially from a stridently critical network of U.S. organizations whose input dominates the U.N. digest of submissions from “civil society” that are part of the council’s background reading.
Will the occasion be a teachable moment, or an anti-American circus?
That question will be hovering center-stage in Geneva, when, for the first time ever, the U.S. comes under the Human Rights Council’s microscope as part of the its centerpiece activity, the “Universal Periodic Review,” a rotating examination of the human rights failings and strong points of every country in the world, from North Korea to Norway, by the council's members.
For two hours, council members will get to say whatever they wish, good and ill, about the country that has done the most in the past 40 years to establish human rights as a global theme.
Already, there are signs that ill-wishers are planning to pack the line to the speaker’s podium, with complaints from some Western human rights organizations that Cuba, Venezuela and Iran are seeking to “hijack” the microphone and stack the speaker’s list with U.S. critics.
But what really is under review is the gamble by the Obama administration to join the council in the first place, rather than shun it in disdain, as the Bush administration did, along with its predecessor, the U.N. Human Rights Commission, because of its roster of despotic members and unbridled antagonism toward Israel.
The Universal Periodic Review, in which all countries great and small submit to human rights commentary by their peers, is supposed to help install the principle of observing human rights in the farthest reaches of the international community.
But it also has the potential to be a one-sided fiasco, along the lines of such previous toxic human rights extravaganzas as the U.N.’s 2001 “World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance,” and its 2006 follow-up, which turned into orgies of anti-Israeli posturing and helped to lead to the previous U.N. Human Rights Commission crackup.
So who is supposed to benefit from the U.S. submission to the UPR process?
According to Jim Kelly, director of international affairs for the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies and founder of a blog called Global Governance Watch, the main beneficiaries are likely to be the interest groups that take part in the exercise. “The fact is, they are demanding that the U.S. comply with rights that are already addressed by our own democratic system and laws,” he argues. “They are simply trying to get us to adopt U.N. standards instead of our own. It’s not as if by our participating in the human rights process Cuba is going to clean up its act.”
But according to the U.S. State Department, which is leading a delegation of high-level American diplomats and government officials to Geneva, the Periodic Review is a major opportunity for Washington to lead the rest of the world by example.
“Our taking the process seriously contributes to the universality” of the human rights process, one State Department official told Fox News. “It’s an important opportunity for us to showcase our willingness to expose ourselves in a transparent way” to human rights criticism.
“For us, upholding the process is very important.”
The same official, however, declared that the “most important” part of the process is “the dialogue with our own citizens.”
That was a reference to the important—and often harshly critical—role being played in the U.S. Universal Periodical Review by American human rights interest groups, or Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs), also known in U.N. parlance as “stakeholders.”
The Obama administration has gone to elaborate lengths to consult with such groups in advance of the Geneva meeting. The State Department, has led delegations from a variety of government departments (including Labor, Homeland Security, Education and Justice) to consult with such groups in Chicago, Detroit, San Francisco, Harlem, and Albuquerque, according to an official at State.
Those NGOs will also get a chance to “engage” with the U.S. delegation in Geneva at what the State Department calls a “first ever town hall meeting,” after the Human Rights Council, composed of national governments, makes its views known. “Many countries stack the room with NGOs that are government controlled,” the State Department official told Fox News, adding that the U.S. obviously doesn’t.
“We hope that the Periodic Review process will be one that sheds new light on issues,” the official added, including “what we learn from our own NGOs, which we take seriously.”
How seriously the NGOs should be taken is indeed, an important part of the question surrounding the human rights tableau in Geneva. For one thing, 103 submissions by those NGOS about U.S. human rights practices—very broadly defined—are already included in the official documentation of the Universal Periodic Review itself. Presumably, they may be cited by the many countries—friendly or otherwise—that line up at the podium for the nations-only Human Rights Council session.
In that sense, their contents provide a kind of rough road map to the rhetoric that the U.S. may face in the days—and even years—ahead, because the Universal Periodic Review process will be repeated indefinitely into the future, and is supposed to analyze progress from session to session.
According to a dense summary of the submissions circulated by the U.N. in advance of the November 5 meeting, the NGOs offering briefs for this Review run a familiar gamut from the American Bar Association and British-based Amnesty International to such specialized groups as the Navajo Nation Human Rights Commission.
They also include an array of submissions from college legal faculties and their advocacy offshoots; environmental coalitions; and a smattering of other non-American organizations such as the Federation of Cuban Women, based in the Castro dictatorship. (The women’s group objects on human rights grounds to the U.S. embargo against Cuba.)
Even relatively conservative and centrist organizations are represented in submissions by the Heritage Foundation, the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute, and the Beckett Fund for Religious Liberty.
CLICK HERE FOR THE U.N. SUMMARY OF SUBMISSIONS
Yet despite their apparent diversity, many of the submissions, as summarized briefly in the U.N. document, point to a number of common themes:
--The U.S. needs to sign, ratify and implement a wide number of United Nations-sponsored human rights conventions, whatever reservations various U.S. governments or courts have had to them;
-- All these treaties and conventions should be “self-executing,” meaning that no subsequent U.S. government action should be required for them to go into effect—regardless of the U.S. constitutional separation of powers, and the separation of powers between federal and state governments;
--the U.S. should have national human rights institutions to coordinate and enforce human rights compliance;
--racial, economic and social disparities are still endemic in the U.S. despite its own civil rights laws, and need to be eliminated to meet “international standards” embodied in U.N. treaties. Amnesty International, for example, charges that “racial disparities continue to exist at every stage [U.S.] in the criminal justice system,” and calls for laws to bar “racial profiling in law enforcement.”
The Center for Human Rights and Global Justice, an offshoot of New York University’s law school, goes further, and argues that since 9/11, “the U.S. has institutionalized discriminatory profiling against members of Muslim, Arab, South Asian and Middle-Eastern communities.” The organization calls for federal laws against profiling “on all grounds, with no exceptions for national security and an in-depth audit of government databases/watchlists.”
--barbaric treatment of citizens by U.S. police is allegedly rife. Again according to Amnesty, U.S. police and custody officials “are rarely prosecuted for abuses,” prison conditions “remain harsh in many states,” and “electroshock weapons are widely used against individuals who do not pose a serious threat, including children, the elderly and people under the influence of drink or drugs.”
--U.S. social conditions are dismal. One submission claims, according to the U.N. summary, that 30% of the U.S. population “lacks an adequate income to meet basic needs,” while another notes that “there is an unequal access in the U.S. to basic amenities such as adequate food, shelter, work, healthcare and education. There is also a lack of affordable housing, job shortages and income insecurity, particularly among minorities and women.”
-- native peoples on American soil are badly neglected and need the protection of international treaties, and the U.S. treats immigrants and asylum-seekers badly. At least one organization recommends a ban on deporting indigenous peoples from anywhere in the Americas.
The sheer welter and volume of accusations, recriminations and prescriptions aimed at the U.S. that are embedded in the U.N. summary, however, obscures one important fact—an extraordinary number of them, Fox News has discovered, come from just a single source out of the 103 submissions cited in the U.N. document.
Indeed, no fewer than 60 of 162 footnote citations in the summary—37 percent of the entire total-- refer to a back-up document from a single organization, known as the U.S. Human Rights Network, or USHRN.
The 60 footnotes often cite other submissions as well, but no other organization contributing in the Human Rights Council summary comes close to USHRN as a source for accusations against U.S. behavior. (The energetic Amnesty International, by contrast, finishes in second place with just 23 footnote citations.)
Which raises the question: what, exactly, is the U.S. Human Rights Network?
According to its 423-page submission to the Geneva meeting—actually, 23 separate position papers bound together with a 15 page “overarching report,” or executive summary, USHRN was formed in 2003 as a “new model for U.S.-based human rights advocacy.”
Its intention is to “raise awareness of the human rights network within the broader social justice movement, to create linkages between traditional human rights and social justice organizations, and to facilitate sharing of information and resources among a broader network of activists.”
USHNR’s website is a little more specific: it is an agglomeration of nearly 300 activist organizations whose ultimate aim, “full U.S. compliance with universal human rights standards—will require the development of a broad-based, democratic movement that is dedicated to the long-term goal of transforming U.S. political culture.”
Funding for the network and its Geneva submission apparently comes from the Human Rights Fund, an umbrella group whose steering committee of philanthropies include the Ford Foundation, George Soros’ Open Society Institute, the Overbrook Foundation and an anonymous donor.
Among the network’s membership are some prominent and familiar organizations: the American Friends Service Committee, Fordham University Law Center, the left-leaning Institute for Policy Studies, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Center for Human Rights.
But most of USHNR’s members are a hodge-podge of relatively unknown and local organizations, like the St. Louis-based Organization for Black Struggle, the Progressive Action Alliance (“a group of progressives in the southeast Texas area”), the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, and many more.
Some of them are also apparently non-American, like Rebuild Green, whose own website is entirely in German.
What they apparently share, according to their mammoth Human Rights Council submission, is a militant vision of the U.S. as a malignant force. “In the years since UNHRN’s inception,” the document declares, “constitutional protections for U.S. citizens and non-citizens have diminished, economic conditions for working and poor people in the U.S. have deteriorated, and repression has increased.”
Several of the position papers included in the submission are a lot more militant than that, and also seem to emerge from some radical left-wing time tunnel. One of the papers, entitled “Political Repression—Political Prisoners,” harks back to the 1970s to indict the FBI through Operation COINTELPRO for “maiming, murdering, false prosecutions and frame-ups, destruction and mayhem throughout the country.”
It cites the Feds for targeting such far-left organizations as the Puerto Rican Independence Front, the Black Panther Party, the Weather Underground, the American Indian Movement, the Black Liberation Army, as well as “peace activists and everyone in between,” and says that “many of today’s political prisoners” in the U.S. were jailed indefinitely as a result. That repression has increased, the paper argues since 9/11.
The political repression paper demands an “immediate criminal investigation into the conspiracy,” and also new trials for two now-aged left-wing activists jailed on murder charges, Mumia Abu Jamal and Leonard Peltier.
The repression paper was authored by the National Conference of Black Lawyers and the Malcolm X Center for Self Determination, neither of which are listed among USHRN’s member organizations. It is endorsed by a host of other organizations, however, including at least that is not only a USHRN member, but is also cited in the U.N. summary as the author of a separate submission to the Periodic Review. This seems to indicate that USHRN’s collective viewpoint is being augmented by other, nominally independent contributors to the Review.
Yet another position paper, on “The Continuum of Domestic Repression” in the U.S., asserts that “today, police still routinely make unfounded mass arrests and detentions to keep people off the streets and out of the eye of the media which tends to be accommodating.” It further condemns the use of high-security detention measures against terrorists such as Sayed Fahad Hashmi , a Pakistani-born U.S. citizen who pled guilty this year to conspiracy for providing support to Al Qaeda. Hashmi, the paper says, was held in high-security custody for three years. The paper says such treatment is “typical of how terrorism suspects are being treated in U.S. prisons and courts.”
The “Continuum” paper was submitted by the African American Institute for Policy Studies & Planning, the October 22 Coalition, and the Ida B. Wells Media Institute. None of them are listed on the USHRN website as member organizations.
However, an organization called the Afrikan Amerikan Institute for Policy Studies and Planning, Inc., which calls itself “a volunteer Grassroots, community based think tank created more than 10 years ago,” and is based in Greenville, South Carolina, claims on its website that the Malcolm X Center for Self-Determination, co-author of the other repression paper in the USHRN portfolio, is one of its projects. The Coordinator/President-CEO of the Afrikan Amerikan Institute is Efia Nwangaza, a onetime Green Party candidate for the U.S. Senate.
On its website, the Oct. 22 Coalition gives its full name as “The October 22nd Coalition to Stop Police Brutality, Repression and the Criminalization of a Generation.” According to its website, its birth “came out of conversations” among a group of radical activists, including a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Since 1996, the Coalition has organized national days of protest annually on its name day, and uses a post office box in New York’s East Village as a focal point for organizing. (The October 22 date, the website says, does not have a “significance in its own right.” The protesters wanted a day when “students would be back in school, and before the elections.”)
The USHRN position paper on U.S. labor relations, however, was submitted by much better-known mainstream organizations. Among them: the AFL-CIO, the Teamsters, the United Steelworkers and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). None are listed as USHRN members.
Among other things, the labor paper points to declining U.S. union membership as a function of discriminatory U.S. labor laws, including the National Labor Relations Act, and declares that “core internationally established labor rights are not adequately protected by state and federal laws that govern the American workplace” and adds that “workers have resorted to international fora to seek redress.”
It says that corporate harassment, threats, unlawful interrogations and retaliatory firings are “standard practice” in U.S. union organizing, and calls on the U.S. to obey “pertinent international instruments” to, among other things, adopt the Employee Free Choice Act, commonly known as “card check,” to ensure all workers get full federal and state labor law protection “regardless of migration status.” It also calls on U.S. governments give broader latitude to allowing public sector labor strikes.
The sheer expanse of the USHRN effort virtually guaranteed it would have a major impact on the U.N.’s summary documentation for the November 5 Periodic Review—and so, apparently, did the Network’s heavy participation in the State Department’s cross-country “consultations” in the lead-up to the review.
In an acknowledgement at the front of the document USHRN executive director Ajamu Baraka, lauds two of his workers for efforts across the country where they “continually held the State Department to its commitments even though corralling federal officials was not part of their job description.”
Baraka himself is no stranger to strenuous efforts on behalf of his causes. A onetime director of Amnesty International USA’s southern regional director and head of its anti-death penalty campaign, he has been described as “a veteran grassroots organizer with roots in the Black Liberation movement, anti-apartheid and Central American solidarity struggles.”
Personally hailed, according to various reports, by then-U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, as a human rights activist, Baraka was also listed in May 2000 as an attendee of the first U.N. preparatory committee meeting to lay the groundwork for the Durban World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance. He apparently attended as a delegate of the World Peace Council, an organization created in the early days of the Cold War, and which now describes itself as “an anti-imperialist, democratic, independent and non-aligned international movement of mass action.”
Some things are so terrible, such a monstrous affront to all good sense and nature, that they cannot be forgiven.
Your kidding right? Cheese in a can is a Scientific advance greater than the combustion engine.
I used to eat at this all you can eat pizza joint in LA, they had a vat of that "fake" cheese you can just dip a ladel into and crack on.. i used to pour it all over everything.. fries, pizza, pasta.. the works. Im a Yank Cheese convert. Screw all this "real" cheese and all that pansy organic British cheese, im a fake/squeezy/spray on cheese fanatic!
And ive never heard of Baconaisse, but it looks amazing, im flying back to CA in 9 days, and i will ensure i pick up a jar!
Devastator wrote:i dont hate america
as i have nothing against south and middle american countries, mexico or canada(that seems to be awesome place to live btw)
but i dislike USA
And I am sure your hate is from a perfectly rational and clearly thought out line of reasoning. I have no doubt you are saint, mostly by virtue of having the good luck of not being born in the United States, but also because you are perfect and have never had a moral quandary in your life. Your nation, a white city of blamelessness for any possible wrongdoing in it's entire history, even before the concept of a nation state existed. The government a waste free, perfectly oiled machine that no one ever has any concerns over. You are elevated and above such petty matters as mortal existence and may sit high on your throne and judge entire groups of diverse people and yet somehow not be a bigot. I know if I were to generalize about a people and proclaim a disdain for them I would look foolish, yet you somehow pull it off.
I really want to know how you can dislike every single individual in a population as large and diverse as the US's. I'm a total donkey-cave and even I could probably find a few people I liked in a group that large.
Devastator wrote:i dont hate america
as i have nothing against south and middle american countries, mexico or canada(that seems to be awesome place to live btw)
but i dislike USA
Is it because we capitalize letters and use prepositions correctly?
Tyyr wrote:I really want to know how you can dislike every single individual in a population as large and diverse as the US's. I'm a total donkey-cave and even I could probably find a few people I liked in a group that large.
Think you might like to think of the distinction between state and self. I can, for example, dislike Jazz (which I do), yet think certain Jazz musicians to be splendid fellows. In the same way, someone can dislike the "USA", yet have no dislike of the people that live there.
Tyyr wrote:I really want to know how you can dislike every single individual in a population as large and diverse as the US's. I'm a total donkey-cave and even I could probably find a few people I liked in a group that large.
Think you might like to think of the distinction between state and self. I can, for example, dislike Jazz (which I do), yet think certain Jazz musicians to be splendid fellows. In the same way, someone can dislike the "USA", yet have no dislike of the people that live there.
If he dislikes the USA what does he have against Dakota? I mean really, what did Rhode Island ever do to him? I didn't think Kentucky had a beef with anyone.
Tyyr wrote:I really want to know how you can dislike every single individual in a population as large and diverse as the US's. I'm a total donkey-cave and even I could probably find a few people I liked in a group that large.
Think you might like to think of the distinction between state and self. I can, for example, dislike Jazz (which I do), yet think certain Jazz musicians to be splendid fellows. In the same way, someone can dislike the "USA", yet have no dislike of the people that live there.
How could anyone dislike Jazz...why,that would be as odd as disliking squeeze cheese.
Tyyr wrote:I really want to know how you can dislike every single individual in a population as large and diverse as the US's. I'm a total donkey-cave and even I could probably find a few people I liked in a group that large.
Think you might like to think of the distinction between state and self. I can, for example, dislike Jazz (which I do), yet think certain Jazz musicians to be splendid fellows. In the same way, someone can dislike the "USA", yet have no dislike of the people that live there.
How could anyone dislike Jazz...why,that would be as odd as disliking squeeze cheese.
Tyyr wrote:I really want to know how you can dislike every single individual in a population as large and diverse as the US's. I'm a total donkey-cave and even I could probably find a few people I liked in a group that large.
Think you might like to think of the distinction between state and self. I can, for example, dislike Jazz (which I do), yet think certain Jazz musicians to be splendid fellows. In the same way, someone can dislike the "USA", yet have no dislike of the people that live there.
There's no way to say that you dislike a nation of 300,000,000 extremely diverse people without sounding ignorant.
Sorry.
Saying "I dislike the USA's policy on [something]" is a much better way to avoid looking... silly.
Monster Rain wrote:There's no way to say that you dislike a nation of 300,000,000 extremely diverse people without sounding ignorant.
Sorry.
Saying "I dislike the USA's policy on [something]" is a much better way to avoid looking... silly.
While I agree to an extent, a nation and their policies, cultural output, etc, are, to me at least, interlinked so that one can simply say "I dislike [insert nation here]" as a general statement. Although it is certainly a better idea to clarify your statement in such a way as you suggested, especially a thread or discussion such as this.
Monster Rain wrote:There's no way to say that you dislike a nation of 300,000,000 extremely diverse people without sounding ignorant.
Sorry.
Saying "I dislike the USA's policy on [something]" is a much better way to avoid looking... silly.
While I agree to an extent, a nation and their policies, cultural output, etc, are, to me at least, interlinked so that one can simply say "I dislike [insert nation here]" as a general statement. Although it is certainly a better idea to clarify your statement in such a way as you suggested, especially a thread or discussion such as this.
In that case I dislike whatever pissant country -that I can't be bothered to see which one it is - he comes from right back, for the very same reasons he has.
Monster Rain wrote:There's no way to say that you dislike a nation of 300,000,000 extremely diverse people without sounding ignorant.
Sorry.
Saying "I dislike the USA's policy on [something]" is a much better way to avoid looking... silly.
While I agree to an extent, a nation and their policies, cultural output, etc, are, to me at least, interlinked so that one can simply say "I dislike [insert nation here]" as a general statement. Although it is certainly a better idea to clarify your statement in such a way as you suggested, especially a thread or discussion such as this.
In that case I dislike whatever pissant country -that I can't be bothered to see which one it is - he comes from right back, for the very same reasons he has.
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Kilkrazy wrote:I think he's American, isn't he?
Yes, and Frazzled lives in the Republic of Texas.
Seriously though, I believe he was referring to the posted that starting this line of conversations.
Not the thread, the whole "you can't dislike 300,000,000 people you've never met and most likely don't know jack about" theme of the last half page. The guy who made a somewhat unfortunate statement was from... umm... that place.
Not the thread, the whole "you can't dislike 300,000,000 people you've never met and most likely don't know jack about" theme of the last half page. The guy who made a somewhat unfortunate statement was from... umm... that place.
Exactly whatever that place is, me dislikes it. Not only that the weiner dogs dislike it as well for the same reasons he dislikes the USA. Further, to show their solidarity with the great state of Maine, the weiner dog legions moon whatever that country is with their tiny little weiner dog butts. Don't get too close as TBone likes to fire off the dreaded "silent butt deadly" on an occasion, which are so horrible they drive the other dog-known for rolling in 2 week old rotting carcasses- off. Whenyou drive the weiner dog equivalent of a buzzard away with your fetid stench you know thats bad. So look out unnamed country!
BloodDrop101X wrote:Why America is so hated is probably because of south park, well this is one among other things but probably mainly south park don't get me wrong here I love south park but the way they make fun of people like muhamad or however you spell that name and other things that show is probably going to get us bombed....
Because of our inability to converse on the internet without run-on sentences.
Destrado wrote:I was lightening things up. I wrote occasionaly. My bad.
I think we're glossing over the fact an ancient, nearly blind knock on wood no more seizures weiner dog just threw down on an entire country, you know the country I can't be bothered to look up.
So Frazzled, I'm not telling you what to do here, but I think a photoshop of a wiener dog destroying Sweden or Denmark or whatever country that is would be a good thing to have handy.
Monster Rain wrote:So Frazzled, I'm not telling you what to do here, but I think a photoshop of a wiener dog destroying Sweden or Denmark or whatever country that is would be a good thing to have handy.
It would be so awesome, alas I hav e neuither the skills or the technology to do so. I can't even get photobucket here (all my pics are shots in the dark, hoping they are still there).
.. a (more) paranoid man would see this as a sign...
Researchers at NEC System technologies and Mie University have designed the cute little guy to the right: a metal man gastronomist, "an electromechanical sommelier", capable of identifying wines, cheeses, meats and hors d'oeuvres.
Upon being given a sample, he will speak up in a childlike voice and identify what he has just been fed.
The idea is that wineries can tell if a wine is authentic without even opening the bottle, amongst other more obscure uses...like "tell me what this strange grayish lump at the back of my freezer is/was."
But when some smart aleck reporter placed his hand in the robot's omnivorous clanking jaw, he was identified as bacon. A cameraman then tried and was identified as prosciutto.
BloodDrop101X wrote:Why America is so hated is probably because of south park, well this is one among other things but probably mainly south park don't get me wrong here I love south park but the way they make fun of people like muhamad or however you spell that name and other things that show is probably going to get us bombed....
You really should consider passing 5th grade English before trying to post on the internet.
"Evidence of peanut butter as it is known today comes from US patent #306727,[3] issued in 1884 to Marcellus Gilmore Edson of Montreal, Quebec, Canada, for the finished product of the process of milling roasted peanuts between heated surfaces until the peanuts entered "a fluid or semi-fluid state." " (Wikipedia)
Americans did invent many things. Like being gawdammitsofucchingawesomesomuch! Yeah... that was us.
"Evidence of peanut butter as it is known today comes from US patent #306727,[3] issued in 1884 to Marcellus Gilmore Edson of Montreal, Quebec, Canada, for the finished product of the process of milling roasted peanuts between heated surfaces until the peanuts entered "a fluid or semi-fluid state." " (Wikipedia)
Americans did invent many things. Like being gawdammitsofucchingawesomesomuch! Yeah... that was us.
We also invented the concept of Total War, and we invented Victory in World War I and II.
endless wrote:Andoverinlatedegonogroundsinreallifeeveryonewouldpreferitifyouwentawaynowleaveusalonepleaseohahayeah, that was you
You know, ironically, I think that the "space bar" was also invented by an American.
Also, this is the second time today that I've read an anti-American diatribe by a poster that I couldn't be bothered to figure out what country they're from.
Ive found that a very large number of New Zealanders are quite racest. Although this in generaly not true, i cant help but assoceate America with stupidity. I think it was because when i was younger, there was this ad on TV that was of a guy walking along a beach in the us asking people who the persedent was. the ad show that only about half the people knew. Although the results were probily edited for the advantage of the salesperson, the young and nieve me took this to heart and ive never been able to dismiss it.
I dont think presedent bush helped eather. If he was the leader then he must be good. if he is good, then how bad/average are the followers?
Seriously though, only way to win is a nuke. I mean they dropped more bombs in Vietnam than both WW1/2 combined. You bombed the crap out of Iraq and still didn't win. But prove me wrong i suppose.
Albatross wrote:Plus they're still bent as feth. At least when they were the USSR you could kind of admire their strength.
Oh, come on!
Putin gave the entire world both middle fingers when they decided to condemn his invasion of Georgia(or whatever Osetia it was, you pedantic gits). And then there was the matter of the natural gas pipeline. They've still got some moxie.
Without America where would we develop awesome Hollywood!
Oh wait Sydney sorry.
America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
Albatross wrote:Plus they're still bent as feth. At least when they were the USSR you could kind of admire their strength.
Oh, come on!
Putin gave the entire world both middle fingers when they decided to condemn his invasion of Georgia(or whatever Osetia it was, you pedantic gits). And then there was the matter of the natural gas pipeline. They've still got some moxie.
South Ossetia, if I recall correctly.
Yeah, obviously they still have a certain amount of influence and power, but nowhere near as much as they used to have. And their economy is a shadow of it's former self.
Asherian Command wrote:America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
You're not even right about what you say it has, which really casts aspersions on your claims as to what it doesn't.
Albatross wrote:Yeah, obviously they still have a certain amount of influence and power, but nowhere near as much as they used to have. And their economy is a shadow of it's former self.
Asherian Command wrote:Without America where would we develop awesome Hollywood!
Oh wait Sydney sorry.
America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
Asherian Command wrote:America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
You're not even right about what you say it has, which really casts aspersions on your claims as to what it doesn't.
What Can I say I hate living here. Its so freaking cold. And the people are mean. And I get flicked off frequently when I am not even driving or doing anything wrong.
But America is getting rid of the gaming industry.... The only good thing about America will be gone soon....
Asherian Command wrote:America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
You're not even right about what you say it has, which really casts aspersions on your claims as to what it doesn't.
What Can I say I hate living here. Its so freaking cold. And the people are mean. And I get flicked off frequently when I am not even driving or doing anything wrong.
But America is getting rid of the gaming industry.... The only good thing about America will be gone soon....
"Flicked off"?
"America is getting rid of the gaming industry... etc"?
Asherian Command wrote:America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
You're not even right about what you say it has, which really casts aspersions on your claims as to what it doesn't.
What Can I say I hate living here. Its so freaking cold. And the people are mean. And I get flicked off frequently when I am not even driving or doing anything wrong.
But America is getting rid of the gaming industry.... The only good thing about America will be gone soon....
"Flicked off"?
"America is getting rid of the gaming industry... etc"?
What in the sam-hill are you babbling about?
Illinois Home to the worst people in the united states. Don't believe go to the state and drive around in Chicago. and You will see exactly what I mean.
America has opened a supreme court case against video games which will ban violent video games from everyone. Not just minors. Originally it was meant for just minors but they have broaden it, alot more.
Asherian Command wrote:America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
You're not even right about what you say it has, which really casts aspersions on your claims as to what it doesn't.
What Can I say I hate living here. Its so freaking cold. And the people are mean. And I get flicked off frequently when I am not even driving or doing anything wrong.
But America is getting rid of the gaming industry.... The only good thing about America will be gone soon....
"Flicked off"?
"America is getting rid of the gaming industry... etc"?
What in the sam-hill are you babbling about?
America has opened a supreme court case against video games which will ban violent video games from everyone. Not just minors. Originally it was meant for just minors but they have broaden it, alot more.
Asherian Command wrote:America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
You're not even right about what you say it has, which really casts aspersions on your claims as to what it doesn't.
What Can I say I hate living here. Its so freaking cold. And the people are mean. And I get flicked off frequently when I am not even driving or doing anything wrong.
But America is getting rid of the gaming industry.... The only good thing about America will be gone soon....
"Flicked off"?
"America is getting rid of the gaming industry... etc"?
What in the sam-hill are you babbling about?
America has opened a supreme court case against video games which will ban violent video games from everyone. Not just minors. Originally it was meant for just minors but they have broaden it, alot more.
There are many good things about America. Nowhere is perfect, but the USA is still one of the best places to live in the world. Would you rather live in like, Algeria, Honduras or Laos?
I fething wouldn't.
I say the same to people who bitch about living in the UK - I lived in Spain for a while, a reasonably wealthy, liberal democracy with nice weather, delicious food and beautiful women. The beer was cheap. But if you want to make something of your life, you'd be much better off living in Britain. The infrastructure was pretty ropey, there was quite a lot of poverty, and equality was WAY worse than here. Just as an example, the only place I ever saw black guys working was on the street selling pirated DVDs. There was significantly more racism than here in the UK.
From speaking to my spanish friends, there seemed to be a real ceiling on what you could achieve living there, as opposed to here.
And that's in a GOOD country. Living there was awesome and the people were lovely without exception, but it really made me appreciate the relative prosperity we have here. You should feel the same about America - the grass is not always greener.
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Ash as a pessimistic pommie, GOM and fully paid up member of Cynical Anonymous, I cannot believe that even if America loses its gaming industry there will be naught left worth living there for.
Well it will affect me. As I am still techincally considered a Minor. This means that the US Video Game industry will go down just like the comic book industry. That is what I fear most.
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Quintuple multipost with a single word response
cool
Calm down.
Asherian Command wrote:Well it will affect me. As I am still techincally considered a Minor. This means that the US Video Game industry will go down just like the comic book industry. That is what I fear most.
I really don't think so.
Pornography, for example, is 18+ only and they don't seem to be going broke. Yeah, they lose some business to the internet but they're still well in the black.
Because we are becoming a nation of idiots. I mean, Dancing with the Stars is like the #1 show. Makes me want to go move to frikking Costa Rica or something. And with all the republicans they just elected... I know why the world is going to end in 2012! Sarah Palin getting elected! (JK). Although she would be worse than even Bush. If she gets elected, me and my family are seriously going to move to a different country. (Not kidding here)
The grass ain't any greener Galactic.
We have those shows, in fact I believe the BBC sold the franchise for Dancing with Stars.
Not that I have anything against the dancers.
Would like to have something against the female dancers but that is another story and Ash would be too young to read it!
Asherian Command wrote:America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
You're not even right about what you say it has, which really casts aspersions on your claims as to what it doesn't.
What Can I say I hate living here. Its so freaking cold. And the people are mean. And I get flicked off frequently when I am not even driving or doing anything wrong.
But America is getting rid of the gaming industry.... The only good thing about America will be gone soon....
"Flicked off"?
"America is getting rid of the gaming industry... etc"?
What in the sam-hill are you babbling about?
Illinois Home to the worst people in the united states. Don't believe go to the state and drive around in Chicago. and You will see exactly what I mean.
America has opened a supreme court case against video games which will ban violent video games from everyone. Not just minors. Originally it was meant for just minors but they have broaden it, alot more.
I love it here in America. Yeah, there are loads of crazies; doesn't mean you have to pay them any attention. And compared with the rest of the world, America is a pretty damn nice place. I just took a nice relaxing nap in my front yard without once being woken up by suicide bombers, gun toting militants, flyovers by military drones, etc. Just nice soft grass. I love everything about America right now.
Asherian Command wrote:America ain't got :Beep: but at least they have bioware, relic, and all the major gaming companies.
You're not even right about what you say it has, which really casts aspersions on your claims as to what it doesn't.
What Can I say I hate living here. Its so freaking cold. And the people are mean. And I get flicked off frequently when I am not even driving or doing anything wrong.
But America is getting rid of the gaming industry.... The only good thing about America will be gone soon....
"Flicked off"?
"America is getting rid of the gaming industry... etc"?
What in the sam-hill are you babbling about?
Illinois Home to the worst people in the united states. Don't believe go to the state and drive around in Chicago. and You will see exactly what I mean.
America has opened a supreme court case against video games which will ban violent video games from everyone. Not just minors. Originally it was meant for just minors but they have broaden it, alot more.
It will fail, don't worry.
I worry about everything.
I even worry about pixies taking over the world. That is my greatest fear.
I am afraid for my life that a girl I use to like will one day appear out of nowhere sorta like from RE4
Albatross wrote:There are many good things about America. Nowhere is perfect, but the USA is still one of the best places to live in the world. Would you rather live in like, Algeria, Honduras or Laos?
I fething wouldn't..
Actually, I probably would prefer Algeria. Warm, good food, they hate France something fierce, and gorgeous women.
Plus my American wealth would leave me quite well off.
Key thing to remember, once you have money, it doesn't really matter where you live.
Albatross wrote:There are many good things about America. Nowhere is perfect, but the USA is still one of the best places to live in the world. Would you rather live in like, Algeria, Honduras or Laos?
I fething wouldn't..
Actually, I probably would prefer Algeria. Warm, good food, they hate France something fierce, and gorgeous women.
Plus my American wealth would leave me quite well off.
Key thing to remember, once you have money, it doesn't really matter where you live.
Zimbabwe.
But in general, yeah. The Brits living in Spain generally seemed to have more money and a higher standard of living than the natives, which is weird when you think about it. That would appear to be at odds with the usual image people have of immigrants. Most lads at my office (which was just a basic English-speaking telesales job) had swimming pools, for example.
But in general, yeah. The Brits living in Spain generally seemed to have more money and a higher standard of living than the natives, which is weird when you think about it. That would appear to be at odds with the usual image people have of immigrants. Most lads at my office (which was just a basic English-speaking telesales job) had swimming pools, for example.
Hey man, I be Mugabe has a pretty posh lifestyle.
In any case, I think the reason that ex-pats from wealthy nations tend to be fairly well off when they immigrate has to do with exchange rates, and the fact that they tend to be wealthier and better educated than the locals, and their former resident population. At least where I grew up immigration is something the wealthy do.
But in general, yeah. The Brits living in Spain generally seemed to have more money and a higher standard of living than the natives, which is weird when you think about it. That would appear to be at odds with the usual image people have of immigrants. Most lads at my office (which was just a basic English-speaking telesales job) had swimming pools, for example.
Hey man, I be Mugabe has a pretty posh lifestyle.
Yeah, s'pose. But the wealthy white landowners he chased off their farms? Not so much.
New Zealands a pritty nice place to live, except for the west coast. Rains way to much there, and is cut off from anyware else by mountions, and is only inhabited by really old people or people that are too young to be able to leave.
SilverMK2 wrote:I think it is because you don't play cricket, and play football with your hands.
What else would you play it with? Your feet? Sorry, America is not a country of primitive barbarians; they're called opposable thumbs get with the program we're not monkeys peeling bananas anymore.
As the most advanced nation in the world we've moved past flailing at a ball with those things you call legs. Enjoy living in the past and driving on the left side of the road. Pffft... left how quaint.
Exactly. There's a REASON it's called the 'RIGHT' side of the road, you know...
Ledabot wrote:New Zealands a pritty nice place to live, except for the west coast. Rains way to much there, and is cut off from anyware else by mountions, and is only inhabited by really old people or people that are too young to be able to leave.
Eveybody should come and live here!
New Zealand is a awesome place to live!
As they are ruled by sheep!
Ledabot wrote:New Zealands a pritty nice place to live, except for the west coast. Rains way to much there, and is cut off from anyware else by mountions, and is only inhabited by really old people or people that are too young to be able to leave.
Eveybody should come and live here!
New Zealand is a awesome place to live! As they are ruled by sheep!
More like cows. the sheep industry is shrinking and the dariy industry passed it long ago. I know this and im not even a farmer
Murray wrote:I would prefer being a commie than an American, just sayin'. America lost in Vietnam and shall lose in Afghanistan.
We would rather you be a commie too, preferably a Soviet commissar, in World War II, in 1941 at Vyazma, because America lost in Vietnam and shall lose in Afghanistan.
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Psychological warfare!
If I saw that I'd run away too!
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Asherian Command wrote:Well it will affect me. As I am still techincally considered a Minor. This means that the US Video Game industry will go down just like the comic book industry. That is what I fear most.
That is what you fear most? Kids lead such sheltered lives now.
Frazzled wrote:Exactly. Now we understand why the British soldier has been feared for centuries.
Well... We only put the hats on AFTER the firefight if im honest...
We went out in helmets as usual at about 4am, shot and bombed the gak out of the Taliban until they withdrew , then on the way back to the FOB at about 8am, stopped short about a kilometer away, donned our Santa hats, and marched back through the market where all the civilians hang around as if we owned the place and merrily conduct the war with no fear of head injuries.
Next~!
How could anyone dislike Jazz...why,that would be as odd as disliking squeeze cheese.
Anonymous, I cannot believe that even if America loses its gaming industry there will be naught left worth living there for.
, then on the way back to the FOB at about 8am, stopped short about a kilometer away, donned our Santa hats, and marched back through the market where all the civilians hang around as if we owned the place and merrily conduct the war with no fear of head injuries.