Why wasn't the emperor put in a dreadnought instead of the Golden Throne? He would still be able to talk and everything, and a dreadnought seems more reliable.
Why wouldn't they save all the dead primarchs either? What about lord solar macharius?
Because certain people just can't have it done. It's not as easy as you think.
The emperor would need a seriously powerful dreadnought to even harness his psychic energies and stuff. Not to mention horus basically destyroyed his soul..
GalacticDefender wrote:Why wasn't the emperor put in a dreadnought instead of the Golden Throne? He would still be able to talk and everything, and a dreadnought seems more reliable.
Because:
1)People would be able to kill him. Where he is now is reidiculously hard to get too even if you're a freindly ship not to mention all the warships and spacestations in the Sol system.
2)He wouldn't be able to power the astronomicon. He used to be able to do it from wherever but now he is all enthroned he has to be reletively near.
Automatically Appended Next Post: By people i mean bad guys. By bad guys i mean anyone not on our side. By our side i mean my side.
Though, if it were possible, I think the main point of having him in a Dreadnaught is to have him speak, to hear his will from HIS mouth, and not the High Lords of Terra. Which, IMO, is one of the reasons that the Emperor is on the Throne, so the High Lords can have power. But, that's just my musings, no actual evidence there.
...Actually, I dunno if the High Lords were around at that time.... Huh. -shrugs-
purplefood wrote:He wouldn't be able to power the astronomicon.
This. The Emperor's already got a full-time job--he can't just go a-conquerin' like in the olden days.
Well, apparently he went a conquering and such in the olden days. Every damn book I've ever read has the Emperor just about to appear and then something gets in the way of seeing it. Oh wait, the Emperor is about to speak, here it comes...finally, after years and years of waiting for this moment and then...oh, what's that? You've got to go to the bathroom?
And then an advisor comes out five minutes later and says, 'oh, yeah, well, he got a call on his auto glavon and couldn't come back, so, here's what he would have said!'
Because he wouldn't be able to decide on the weapons loadout and refuses to be drop-podded into a line of enemy battle tanks to be used as a suicide dread.
flamingwalnut wrote:Though, if it were possible, I think the main point of having him in a Dreadnaught is to have him speak, to hear his will from HIS mouth, and not the High Lords of Terra. Which, IMO, is one of the reasons that the Emperor is on the Throne, so the High Lords can have power. But, that's just my musings, no actual evidence there.
...Actually, I dunno if the High Lords were around at that time.... Huh. -shrugs-
I think if the High Lords wanted the Emperor to speak they would just call up a techpriest to install a vox system in the Throne. The problem for them is if the Emperor can speak he can start running things again. Then they don't get to be in charge anymore.
flamingwalnut wrote:Though, if it were possible, I think the main point of having him in a Dreadnaught is to have him speak, to hear his will from HIS mouth, and not the High Lords of Terra. Which, IMO, is one of the reasons that the Emperor is on the Throne, so the High Lords can have power. But, that's just my musings, no actual evidence there.
...Actually, I dunno if the High Lords were around at that time.... Huh. -shrugs-
I think if the High Lords wanted the Emperor to speak they would just call up a techpriest to install a vox system in the Throne. The problem for them is if the Emperor can speak he can start running things again. Then they don't get to be in charge anymore.
This.
The Custodes must be in on it too.
EDIT:
Stick the chair into an Imper Ator dreadnought.
Stick the electrodes into the Emperor's brain.
No, I'm fairly certain it was the other way around. The Emperor destroyed Horus' soul with a powerful psychic lance whose power actually scared away the Dark Gods so that they weren't protecting him.
The Emperor's soul is most assuredly not destroyed, heck, the Daemons codex actually confirms that he's still actively opposing Chaos.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This pic is cooler. It's like "Hey look a corpse", then you see the eye which reminds you that there is still consciousness buried somewhere in his head.
But I don't mean a dreadnought necessarily built for combat, just to keep him alive so he could talk and move around. And why the hell couldn't he use his psychic powers from a dread? Don't the GK dreadnoughts still have psychic powers?
Mr Nobody wrote:But there's close to no consciousness in that body, so he wouldn't be able to operate it.
Cite your source? Because I'm fairly certain the Emperor was active at LEAST up to five thousand years after internment, as that's when met with Alicia Dominica.
Mr Nobody wrote:But there's close to no consciousness in that body, so he wouldn't be able to operate it.
Cite your source? Because I'm fairly certain the Emperor was active at LEAST up to five thousand years after internment, as that's when met with Alicia Dominica.
It's incorrect to assume that the Emperor was "active" in any but a psychic sense. And even then, what exactly happens during a post-Golden Throne Imperial audience is unknown.
Manchu wrote:It's incorrect to assume that the Emperor was "active" in any but a psychic sense. And even then, what exactly happens during a post-Golden Throne Imperial audience is unknown.
And psychic powers are activated and controlled through willpower.
Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:The dread would have to be huge even to house him, and he wouldn't have acess to his powers.
Yes to the hugeness, no to the lack of powers. If a Blood Angels Librarian in a Dreadnought can still use his powers there is no doubt the Emperor would still be able to use his.
The reason the Emperor isn't entombed in a Dreadnought is because he didn't chose to be. The Emperor chose to be enthroned, he even told Dorn how to build/modify it so it would keep him alive. When the Emperor says do something you don't do the exact opposite unless you're Horus and his ilk.
And besides how would they have done it? When a marine is infused in a dreadnough their nervous system and such are fused with that of the dreadnought. If the Primarchs where so much differant then even Astartes in biology (remember that the medics of the Sons of Horus didn't know how to treat Horus) how do you think they would have opperated on the Emperor? For all we know his insides are made up of pure light and chocolaty goodness.
Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:And besides how would they have done it? When a marine is infused in a dreadnough their nervous system and such are fused with that of the dreadnought. If the Primarchs where so much differant then even Astartes in biology (remember that the medics of the Sons of Horus didn't know how to treat Horus) how do you think they would have opperated on the Emperor? For all we know his insides are made up of pure light and chocolaty goodness.
Giving me ideas of making a Chaos warband that just want to see what's inside the Emperor
As far as I've understood (I haven't read the book myself), the Emperor actually speaks to Inquisitor Jaq Draco in the book "Draco". Not only that, but he actually "pauses" time for the Inquisitor and his retinue, while still running the Empire, keeping chaos out etc. Wouldn't that suggest that he is very much shaping the Imperium? After all, the Custodes have a great deal of influence among the High Lords, and are trained in subterfuge, infiltration and assassination. Is it that unplausable that the Emperor acts out hiss will through the Custodes?
One time a Libarain got super powerful and defeated an entire Ork Wagh by himself and didn't remember anything and one his forehead was burned the Aquila don't believe me check it up.
Someone already mentioned it, but yeah. What GW hasn't told anyone is that the golden palace is actually just the sholders of a truly emperah sized titan.
Pah, why go for a regular dreadnought when you can have the real deal.
Mr Nobody wrote:But there's close to no consciousness in that body, so he wouldn't be able to operate it.
Cite your source? Because I'm fairly certain the Emperor was active at LEAST up to five thousand years after internment, as that's when met with Alicia Dominica.
It's incorrect to assume that the Emperor was "active" in any but a psychic sense. And even then, what exactly happens during a post-Golden Throne Imperial audience is unknown.
Manchu wrote:It's incorrect to assume that the Emperor was "active" in any but a psychic sense. And even then, what exactly happens during a post-Golden Throne Imperial audience is unknown.
And psychic powers are activated and controlled through willpower.
Corpses don't have willpower, not even in 40k.
What about in the Bleeding Chalice novel? Tetract is a corpse who is kept alive through his own will power, plus the dead he raises are able to understand orders and use lasguns (Im so sad that I can actually recall details from 40k novels )
But why a dreadnought? Wouldnt it be more awesome to put the emperor in a Titan? That way if anyone feths with him he can just stomp on them!
There's, like, a few cells left alive. Or not quite dead. The throne includes life support systems, but he also needs the psychic I.V. to keep going. Horus dealt him psychic damage as much as physical injury.
Too bad no one knows how to make a decent phantasmagoria anymore...
As far as I've understood (I haven't read the book myself), the Emperor actually speaks to Inquisitor Jaq Draco in the book "Draco". Not only that, but he actually "pauses" time for the Inquisitor and his retinue, while still running the Empire, keeping chaos out etc. Wouldn't that suggest that he is very much shaping the Imperium? After all, the Custodes have a great deal of influence among the High Lords, and are trained in subterfuge, infiltration and assassination. Is it that unplausable that the Emperor acts out hiss will through the Custodes?
Spoiler:
Yeah.. it basically said that the Emp has some vast multi-mind (which would explain how his consciousness is in so many places at once), but the problem being some parts of it aren't aware what others are doing (or at least Draco theorises that may be going on).
But, bear in mind the age of that book, and a lot has changed in fluff since then.
Manchu wrote:It's incorrect to assume that the Emperor was "active" in any but a psychic sense. And even then, what exactly happens during a post-Golden Throne Imperial audience is unknown.
And psychic powers are activated and controlled through willpower.
Corpses don't have willpower, not even in 40k.
What about in the Bleeding Chalice novel? Tetract is a corpse who is kept alive through his own will power, plus the dead he raises are able to understand orders and use lasguns (Im so sad that I can actually recall details from 40k novels )
But why a dreadnought? Wouldnt it be more awesome to put the emperor in a Titan? That way if anyone feths with him he can just stomp on them!
Dreadnoughts are life support systems. Titans aren't.
If read titanicus, the moderators are put nurtient rich goo and wired into the titan, similar to how dreadnoughts function. With enough work, you could make this connection more permanent.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though his soul remains in his body, and do not believe that the emperor has enough living tissue to pilot a dreadnought. Similar to those horror movies, where the house is haunted because the person's corpse is still there.
Mr Nobody wrote:If read titanicus, the moderators are put nurtient rich goo and wired into the titan, similar to how dreadnoughts function. With enough work, you could make this connection more permanent.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Though his soul remains in his body, and do not believe that the emperor has enough living tissue to pilot a dreadnought. Similar to those horror movies, where the house is haunted because the person's corpse is still there.
But there is still some living tissue. And he wasn't like that when he was first put on the golden throne, was he?
It'd be frankly ridiculous and supremely awesome if the the Golden Throne were in fact the cockpit of a Titan the size of the continent. Think of all those 20+ page threads 'Which race could conquer Terra" that pop up from time to time. Oh look the Necrons all woke up, destroyed Battlefleet Solar and are besieging Mars . . . and in the corner of the screen one third of planet Earth detaches from the planetary mantle and transforms into a flying golden Titan. OHHHH SHIIIII---!
I'd hate it if it happened in actual fluff but if someone wrote a good comicfic I'd read it :p
When terra gets overruun by tyranids (like it will be) then it will blow up like the explosion of a star or somthing like that.
and that makes sense cause if the space marines lose that then humanity is basically dead, and who wants the killers of humanity to surive besides chaos.
this takes place after his super cool planatary scale titan is blown to smitherines by the bunch of superawsome bugs that they are.
GO TYRANIDS!!!!
I prefer to think of it not a as dreadnought, rather a dread-titan of monolithic proportions with the golden throne as the MIU that allows the Emperor to control it. Thus if Terra where ever invaded again, the entire continental body that was once Europe would rise up and smite the heavens. something like that.
TGD wrote:When terra gets overruun by tyranids (like it will be) then it will blow up like the explosion of a star or somthing like that. and that makes sense cause if the space marines lose that then humanity is basically dead, and who wants the killers of humanity to surive besides chaos.
this takes place after his super cool planatary scale titan is blown to smitherines by the bunch of superawsome bugs that they are. GO TYRANIDS!!!!
This is why I hate tyranid fanatics. When they start posting on threads that have nothing to do with tyranids! AT ALL!
TGD wrote:When terra gets overruun by tyranids (like it will be) then it will blow up like the explosion of a star or somthing like that.
and that makes sense cause if the space marines lose that then humanity is basically dead, and who wants the killers of humanity to surive besides chaos.
this takes place after his super cool planatary scale titan is blown to smitherines by the bunch of superawsome bugs that they are.
GO TYRANIDS!!!!
This is why I hate tyranid fanatics. When they start posting on threads that have nothing to do with tyranids! AT ALL!
Every race has these kind of fanatics. Tyranids and Necrons are usually the worst
All true Living Saints are blessed with the power of the Emperor, acting as his direct agent in their area. Not all Living Saints are actually the real thing though, some of them are just spectacular people.
or maybe the emperor would not need a titan/dread. he is a vastly powerful psionic presence who has had over 10,000 years experience splitting his conciousness across vast reaches of space and fighting the four greatest evils in the universe on their home plain. maybe.........but i would love it if the throne was the cockpit of a mega super insane titan dread hybrid with guns that fired planets using his psionic power......huzzah for th' emperah!!!!!
TGD wrote:When terra gets overruun by tyranids (like it will be) then it will blow up like the explosion of a star or somthing like that.
and that makes sense cause if the space marines lose that then humanity is basically dead, and who wants the killers of humanity to surive besides chaos.
this takes place after his super cool planatary scale titan is blown to smitherines by the bunch of superawsome bugs that they are.
GO TYRANIDS!!!!
This is why I hate tyranid fanatics. When they start posting on threads that have nothing to do with tyranids! AT ALL!
Beat me to it.
"oh derp tyranids will rule everything lol, they just eat and eat! herp derp herp derp derp!!!1!"
Hmm, if I had room in my sig I would sig myself....
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, The Emperor's dread would be like a power-ranger's zord. 5 titans (or something suitably cool) would morph into each part, then the golden throne would raise up cheesily with 70's style retro-boosters, and land in the head.
Emperor Zord!
TGD wrote:When terra gets overruun by tyranids (like it will be) then it will blow up like the explosion of a star or somthing like that.
and that makes sense cause if the space marines lose that then humanity is basically dead, and who wants the killers of humanity to surive besides chaos.
this takes place after his super cool planatary scale titan is blown to smitherines by the bunch of superawsome bugs that they are.
GO TYRANIDS!!!!
This is why I hate tyranid fanatics. When they start posting on threads that have nothing to do with tyranids! AT ALL!
Beat me to it.
"oh derp tyranids will rule everything lol, they just eat and eat! herp derp herp derp derp!!!1!"
Hmm, if I had room in my sig I would sig myself....
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, The Emperor's dread would be like a power-ranger's zord. 5 titans (or something suitably cool) would morph into each part, then the golden throne would raise up cheesily with 70's style retro-boosters, and land in the head.
Emperor Zord!
SOMEONE. NEEDS. TO. DRAW. THIS. OR. MODEL. THIS. NOW!
TGD wrote:When terra gets overruun by tyranids (like it will be) then it will blow up like the explosion of a star or somthing like that.
and that makes sense cause if the space marines lose that then humanity is basically dead, and who wants the killers of humanity to surive besides chaos.
this takes place after his super cool planatary scale titan is blown to smitherines by the bunch of superawsome bugs that they are.
GO TYRANIDS!!!!
This is why I hate tyranid fanatics. When they start posting on threads that have nothing to do with tyranids! AT ALL!
Beat me to it.
"oh derp tyranids will rule everything lol, they just eat and eat! herp derp herp derp derp!!!1!"
Hmm, if I had room in my sig I would sig myself....
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, The Emperor's dread would be like a power-ranger's zord. 5 titans (or something suitably cool) would morph into each part, then the golden throne would raise up cheesily with 70's style retro-boosters, and land in the head.
Emperor Zord!
SOMEONE. NEEDS. TO. DRAW. THIS. OR. MODEL. THIS. NOW!
I will try to draw it
Automatically Appended Next Post: Go go Mighty Morphin' Power-Emperor....
Happygrunt wrote:Why dont we put the Pope in a battle tank? Same reason. Religious heads almost never go to combat.
Is the Pope a superhuman psyhic god, that wears huge golden armor carrying a powersword?, yes ? no?
The emperor is not only a religious head
Highlighted for your convince. Almost dosent mean never.
But the analogy is wrong, sure if the Emperor preaches peace around the Galaxy, he won't be in combat
He preaches "DEATH TO XENO" he is while being a religious figure is also a battlefield commander
Why didn't Gulliamim get put into a dreadnought, the primarch of the Ultramarines. He sustained mortal wounds, rather than death wounds and had the time to be put into statis....
The emperor didn't have that much tissue left for a dreadnought apparently (according to PE and a few of the HH books).
Exactly, he is in a stasis, there's not guarantee if someone brought him out of the stasis and unlike the emperor guiliman didn't order for a life support device to be made, so his chapter have to improvise
Doctadeth wrote:Why didn't Gulliamim get put into a dreadnought, the primarch of the Ultramarines. He sustained mortal wounds, rather than death wounds and had the time to be put into statis...
The poison in said mortal wounds would have caused death IMO
If I understand the touchings on the titans in the book Helsreach, then there is a class of titan slightly larger and carrying significantly more weapons than an imperator. Battle Class Titan. But seriously, what wound is so great that not even the emepreor could heal it? I think he chooses to decay. Besides this, if he was in a superstructure it would be terra. It would divide into eigth hemisperes with massive magma spewing cannons sprouting from the center.
In one of the official 40k books (can't remember which - has Inquisitors in it) the Emperor stops or slows time, then speaks straight into their minds. His will is heard "from his mouth" - basically....
gwrulz wrote:In one of the official 40k books (can't remember which - has Inquisitors in it) the Emperor stops or slows time, then speaks straight into their minds. His will is heard "from his mouth" - basically....
Something speaks to an inquisitor whilst in said 'Paused time' but was it really the Emperor? I'm not sure, I've seen it somewhere, but I forgot if there was a confirmation in which it was really the Emperor. It was a chorus of voices, right?
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