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Post by: Ketara
Taken from the other thread, as I believe its sufficiently different in objective and scope. The objective here is that I will have the war and storyline progress, step by step, and you guys can debate with me over how you think it would proceed. Once all useful opinion has been garnered, the scenario will be adjusted suitably, and the storyline advanced another phase. I will provide pieces of fluff throughout, in order to make this a more interesting experience, and aid you in making your decisions on how you think things would progress.
Okay then. The Empire vs the Imperium of man. Two ruthless, technologically advanced factions clash in battle. But before we can analyse in any depth, first, the scene must be set....
Okay, comparative size. We have to assume the Empire is of a certain minimum size, or the result wouldn't even be worth talking about. As such, here's a quick merging of the two maps I've thrown together.
The Star Wars map can be seen closer up here:- http://www.startwins.com/star_wars_galaxy_map_2.jpg
The 40K map can be seen closer up here:- http://files.meetup.com/1529335/40K%20Galaxy%20Map.jpg
In this mock up I have created, the Empire(or Star Wars universe) appears at roughly a fifth the size of the Imperium(or 40K universe). I'll note here that you can disagree with this if you like, but if you do, please don't bother responding to my post at all. Why? Because to be frank, this is the scenario I'm laying out. I'm making it as reasonable as I can for a realistic confrontation between the two, and if you're going to quibble over the scale involved and tell me the Imperium of Man would 'pwn' SW because they're 'like, a gazillion times bigger', than the whole thing is moot to begin with.
So yes. the next step is to establish a time period. For the Imperium, it will be the standard 41st century. For Star Wars, it will be between the Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. So Super Star Destroyer models are in construction, the Empire is still unified, and at its largest. Death Star technology is available, but is of course, phenomenally expensive, and the second one is under construction.
One thing I note a lot of people do is have discussion dissolve into superweapons vs superweapons. As such, I'm limiting things right now. The Sun Crusher/World Devastators/Galaxy Gun will be out of reach of the Empire at the start of the scenario. The world eater virus for the Imperium will also be forbidden. Why? Because to be frank, the Imperium of Man uses it as a last resort. If its on a war of conquest, it won't use this weapons. It is important to establish the context here with regards to super-weapons, or it turns into a superman vs batman debate.
With relative size, time period, and superweapons established, the next step is to determine where the force/warp stand in this scenario. I could say that everyone in the SW Universe is clearly a Blank, hence the lack of psychic activity, however, this would render the Empire impervious to Imperium assault, and be broken. As such, here's the concept I shall now lay out. Its completely invented by myself, but equalises and provides a coherent framework for the function of the Warp in this scenario.
Lying deep underneath the bowels of Coruscant is a massive psi-dampening device of ancient Necrontyr origin. It's the beginning of their great work to shut away the Warp forever, and is similar to the pylons on Cadia, only infinitely stronger. The result of this psi-damper, is that the closer to Coruscant you get, the weaker the Warp Becomes. So psykers on Coruscant would have all their access to the warp cut off, psykers half the SW galaxy away would only have half their relative strength and so on. This massive psi-damper is the reason daemons never manifest themselves, and psykers are an absolute rarity in the Empire, and tend to be more prolific on further out worlds. The Psi-damper does not prohibit warp travel within the Empire, but it slows it down. The closer to the psi-damper you get, the longer it takes you to travel the same amount of distance.
As said, this is entirely fictitious and invented on my part to give the SW Universe some sort of place within the 40K Universe. It also regulates the concepts of the Warp, and makes for a more realistic scenario, that doesn't involve people shouting, ' lol, my psyker would eat your jedi before he gets out his glowy stick!'
In terms of other races, both will still have the problems they've always had. So Eldar will be flying around, Orks launching Waaghs, and the Rebellion launching raids on Imperial planets. The only modification to be made will be the Emperor being able to escape the Second deathstar, as his presence is necessary to hold the Empire as a coherent entity, similar to the Emperor on Terra.
So yes. This is the scenario in which my discussion, and anyone who chooses to talk about it with me, shall take place. If you disagree with these basic premesis, then do not comment on my posts, as we will be envisaging separate incompatible scenarios, making any debate a waste of time.
I'll get to work on how I think the war would play out now...
The astronomican would function in its standard way, in order to allow Imperial ships to navigate, that's correct. However, the further into the SW Universe they go, and the closer to Coruscant, the slower Warp Travel becomes. This equalises the Empire having to send out scout probes and suchlike to be able to plot courses into the Imperium.
As said, the Psi-damper limits the influence of the Warp upon the SW Universe, making Daemon manifestations impossible. So whilst psykers become immediately far less powerful, its almost impossible for them to suffer a 'perils of the Warp' attack, as it were.
With regards to the Force, it shall be treated as a completely separate power to the Warp. However, the relative rarity of Jedi and Sith reduce them to being a minor factor in the equation.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
So. First contact.
It would initially be between Rogue traders and smugglers as is so often the case. Planets on the furthest outer rim engaging in small time trade with planets only barely under the control of the Imperium. In both the case of the Imperium of man, and The Empire, recognition that the other exists would be slow. There would be minor trade (blaster rifles, agricultural equipment, rare stones, minerals, etc) occurring for many years between the two criminal elements before any kind of official recognition occurred. Who would be the first to notice?
Well, Prince Xizor of Black Sun would be the logical choice to put two and two together. He reports to the Emperor, and controls the vast Black Sun crime syndicate. He would be the first official of either side to realise that there seems to be more worlds of undiscovered allegiance lying outside the control of the Empire. However, in keeping with his personality, before reporting this to the Emperor, he would seek to wring maximum advantage from it, and garner all available knowledge first. Therefore I could see a small fleet of smugglers/pirates setting out to see what they could see.
The nearest point of contact would be the Ghoul stars if the SW universe lies in the region of space indicated in the modified map I gave. To give a quote:-
This was the very first Crusade launched by High Marshal Helbrecht. This was a dangerous decision as no Imperial expedition had ever returned from this desolate region of space. The Black Templars were intent on finally vanquishing the 'Cythor Fiends' of the Ghoul Stars. The battles were bloody but decisive, and after eight years the the xeno population was all but destroyed, and the Black Templars began to push in towards the alien home world. Upon reaching the core systems, they were found to be eerily empty. No trace of the aliens could be found, but before a proper investigation could be launched, a desperate call for help came from the besieged world of Armageddon. High Marshal Helbrecht immediately contacted Marshals Ricard and Amalrich, and began to co-ordinate a massive attack on the Ork Waaagh. Three Black Templar Crusades descended on the Hive World of Armageddon. The Third War for Armageddon had begun.
To add some history to the scenario, we can presume the outer rim fleet had already been there, and destroyed the worlds of the Xenos before the black Templars could arrive. After Helbrecht and co. left for Armageddon, we can see colonists from the Empire slowly beginning to trickle into the region. The nearest Imperial presence would be at the close by Gates of Varl, which was written in the 40K fluff to guard against "the quiescent perils of the Ctan". This ties in with the concept of their being a C'Tan artifact upon Coruscant.
Therefore first contact would occur roughly in this region here:-
More to come...
Note: Imperial means the Empire, Imperium means Imperium of man. May result ins ome slight grammatical deficiencies, but then you'll know exactly who is being spoken about!
Now, for the last piece of background setting, the closest Imperial fortress world is that of Rothana, and the nearest Imperium military world is that of Baal. However, in terms of civilian worlds, the closest world of the Imperium is that of Dolumar.
Now on the 40K map, XCV-104 is listed as an 'otherworld'. Not dead, not uninhabited, simply undetailed. We can assume that this world, would be the one initially colonised by Imperial civilians. Dunen II, being a dead world, would be the ideal spot for Prince Xizors pirate/smuggler exploration fleet to set up base. In this storyline, they hollow out an asteroid there, set up shop, and begin doing brisk trade(smuggling piracy) with the newly established nearby Imperial colony, and Imperium held Dolumar. However, this of course failed to take into account another presence in that region of space, that of the Krork.....
So! The scene is set! How do you think the galactic situation would start to evolve? Chime in!
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Post by: Asherian Command
Interesting I think we need to make a battle. We could suggest Ideas and start making a battle plan as my family is full of nerds and we have 250 stormtroopers.....
But anyway looks like this thread is full of win.
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Well, can't say much yet except that I respect you very much for actually managing to create a plausible scenario between the two universes. I take my hat off for thee! 
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Post by: Just Dave
Seems interesting, I don't know much about many other universes or care either, but I'll pay attention none-the-less (although not contribute), providing it stays reasonable and within the VERY GOOD scenario detailed.
However, I strongly expect there will be still people posting crap or that outside of the scenario, however hopefully it can progress intellectually despite this and - being a mod yourself - it's kept in check per se...
Anyway, I like the idea, I'll be watching.
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Post by: Asherian Command
If you want me to I can call up my Star Wars expert, of course he would agrue the Space Marine vs Jedi. But anyway if you want me to I can provide soldier specks and stuff like that.
The GE just does not only have Storm Troopers.
They Have
Dark Troopers
Assassins
AT-ST
and a whole lot of other stuff that is not covered.
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Post by: Ketara
Asherian Command wrote:If you want me to I can call up my Star Wars expert, of course he would agrue the Space Marine vs Jedi. But anyway if you want me to I can provide soldier specks and stuff like that.
The GE just does not only have Storm Troopers.
They Have
Dark Troopers
Assassins
AT-ST
and a whole lot of other stuff that is not covered.
I'd rather space marine v Jedi threads were kept elsewhere. And soldier specs and whatnot won't be necessary until later, as things stand, we're looking at smugglers/rogue traders, and their gathering at Dunen II. To provide some more scenario info, on the nearby Ork planets...
Jagga is home to a notorious fleet of Ork Kill Kroozers, under the control of the Ork Free Bootaz group called the Star Krumpas.
Gorkamorka is a deserted planet covered in pyramidial structures occupied only by Orks, desperate to get off of the planet, which became irradiated when a space hulk crashed into it
So. We have Imperium Rogue Traders, and Black Sun collaborating on Dunen II, and sending goods back to the nearest civilian planets. We have an infamous gang of Ork Freebootaz around, and a planet full of stranded orks, and possibly much in the way of lost archaeotech. So, in your view, what happens next and why?
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Well, sooner or later either the Orks or the Smugglers run into the other. As Orks don't feel like talking through their differences, fighting ensues. The winner of this first skirmish will depend (of course) on who finds the other first and what kind of vessel finds what.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Of course, yes, the smugglers and black sun will encounter the Ork held worlds. Unsure of how the Orks think, they will try to initiate trade, which of course will end in conflict.
And depending on how closely the Rogue Traders here are tied to the Imperium.....it's not going to be long before an Explorator fleet or something comes looking for more archeotech.
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Post by: Ketara
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Holonet transmission 234554389
My Lord Xizor, construction of the new star-base goes well, with the asteroid sufficiently developed to house our entire fleet. Despite these 'Rogue Traders' reluctance in the matter, we have extracted the name of their nearby planet of operations, a place called Dolumar. We are dispatching half a squadron of fighters, one of our three Corellian Gunships, and two of our freighters to establish a listening post on the outer edges of the system on the morrow.
As per your command my Lord, we have abstained from attacking the new Imperial colony, and have shielded its development from the knowledge of the Rogue Traders. However, despite this, it appears many of the supply trains being sent out from Lamaradd have sbeen destroyed, along with a squadron of Tie-Wings sent to investigate their loss. One of the Gunships succeeded in picking up some engine transmissions at the site of their wreck, and is currently trailing in hope of learning more.
Chagga the Hutt
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Vox transmission alpha b:///76
Destination: Explorator Chronus: Forgeworld Esteban
Chronus, been a while. Found a few items of interest whilst out 'on business' I thought you might want to consider. I've sent you a gun, and a new communication device, that might pique your interest. Seems like non-standard technology. I'll expect my payment in the usual account.
Vernedear
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Post by: skysky
Well the orks are most likely responsible for the missing ships and supplies, they like the shiny gubbin's  . If the Imperials aren't careful the escalation of supplies and protective/investigative ships will be picked up by the RTs, they are pretty crafty and resourceful.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
A techpriest working on the rogue trader eventually gets his hands on a peice of the empire's technology. Understanding the significance of what he has found, he immediately alerts the mechanicum, requesting one of the mechanicums explorator ships. When it arrives, s  t hits the fan.
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Post by: Asherian Command
I don't know who to side with D:
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Post by: blazinpsycho&typhooni
Are there tyranids near the ghoul stars? or necron?
and the necrontyr artifact on cora-.... core-... dammit.... coruscant? Would necron be involved, or are we ommitting them from coruscant so the scenario would make more sense...
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Post by: Mr Nobody
For now, you don't have to take a side, just say what will happen next.
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Post by: undivided
If we chime in, do we have to be either Imperium or Empire only? Or can we take in to account other factions, like the Rebellion or Chaos?
I'd assume that the Gods wouldn't just sit around watching as an inter-galactic war ensues.
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Post by: Asherian Command
I shall chip in for the imperium it seems.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
I'm going to bet that that poor Corellian gunship is going to have a big 'Oh ' moment when it realizes exactly what it's following. Much more so if the Explorator fleet arrives before it catches up with whatever it's following.
He already thinks a Star Destroyer is a massive vessel....I shudder to think what he'll think when he sees a full fleet where the smallest SHIP is ISD sized...
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Post by: Asherian Command
Yeah. And it will also be hilariously funny.
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Post by: Huffy
when the mechanicus get their hand on star wars tech, they's send a magos to investigate.....i dont think they would tell the other parts of the imperium until they absolutely had to.
raiding by the orks will result in attention from the empire, which would probably lead to a short bloodly war in the area....
which could lead to the orks migrating into the imperium and the imperium going "where are these orks coming from!!"
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Post by: Ketara
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Holonet Transmission 5683053
Prince Xizor, the Corellian Gunship sent out to establish the cause of the destroyed transports appears to have gone missing as well. However, we've traced the homing beacon to a nearby system the Rogue Traders have labelled 'Bork'. However, they are proving to be remarkably close mouthed about what they believe to be the cause. Profits are up on weapons sales to the new colonists, they've reported a few settlements looted and burned by some kind of green alien similar to a Gamorrean. Perhaps some kind of native warrior culture suitable for recruitment by Black Sun?In any case, our spy there reports that the colonists have sent out a call for some Imperial forces to deal with the alien infestation, so our recruitment (should my lord choose to be interested), must commence swiftly.
Our holonet transceiver in the Dolumar system has been established without a glitch, it appears the technology of the natives is too primitive to realise the function of our equipment. We're beginning intelligence interception as of yesterday, and will report any meaningful findings immediately.
Chagga the Hutt
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Response to Holonet Transmission: 5683053
Chagga, do you think I'm a fool? Do you forget I have Imperial sources too? What you choose to call a 'few settlements' is no less than the second largest established city! Vader has diverted a Victory class Star Destroyer from the Outer Rim fleet to deal with the problem, and now thanks to your loss of one of your gunships, the forces you have left are too weak to stop the destruction of your asteriod base if they detect it! I'm dispatching two Kruk BattleWagons to help stop the Star Destroyer should it go wandering. However, they will remain under the command of Pieterbas, the Captain, and will follow MY instruction only. You will NOT permit the Imperial Commander to make contact with any of the natives of the nearby system! That will be MY accomplishment to lay before the Emperor, not Vader's!
My patience with you grows thin Chagga. See you do not disappoint me again, or the consequences could be quite....lethal.
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Meanwhile, Somewhere on Esteban.... wrote:
Magos Chronus lay the heretical weapon back down on the examining table, his optic eye still analysing the numerous flaws and inconsistencies that separated the device from one properly sanctified by the Omnissiah. Much of the rifle's apparatus was similar to that of a Plasma Gun, the cooling rods and primary focusing coils in particular. Having tested the weapon upon the flesh of servitors several times, the the gun had was no doubt the result of highly advanced technology. The burnt and cauterised meat of the servitor could attest to that. In terms of damage done to an unshielded body, it even outstripped the capabilities of a lasgun by minimal extent, and seemed to embody the spirit of a lighter weight Hellgun.
However, no matter the multiple different methods he had tried to recharge the device, he seemed unable to make it fire again. He presumed the power supply had to have been drained. It would be just like the sloppy work of technological primitives to make a gun only capable of firing a few dozen times. Nonetheless, there were many interesting design features, and even one or two technological advances in the field of focusing the power of the weaponry, advances that could be used to upgrade the cooling functions of plasma weaponry. Indeed, it was intriguing enough to warrant further investigation. He rattled off a code of binary at a nearby servo-skull, already wondering what other uses this heretical technology could be put to. Certainly, it could not hurt to gain more samples for further analysis....
On board the Ork Kill Kroozer Gitsplitta..... wrote:
Warboss Bargutz put the leg of meat to his mouth, and ripped off another chunk, his massive teeth making short work of the carcass. He sat in his chamber, toying with all his newly acquired gubbinz. Fondling his newly acquired Glowy Stik, thumbing it on and off with a hiss each time, he considered the words of the Mekboy standin' in front him. 'Whaddaya mean yer can't figger out how the gunz work? Yer pull der trigger, and watch the fireworks you nonce!' he roared. The Mekboy winced, 'But Boss, we can't make 'em take our bullets. Wot happens when they run out of juice?' Bargutz's brow for a moment creased with the strain of considering the issue. It cleared a moment later, as he was hit with a spot of Orky Kunnin. 'You knows where dese 'umies is, right?', he said, gesturing at the Mekboy with the glowy stik. The Mekboy nodded, clearly hoping to escape without losing a limb in the process, a fate that had already befallen 4 grots and an unlucky grunt now down with the Painboyz. 'Den we'll go and ask 'dem how to make 'em work! 'Umie's always squeals once you feed an arm or leg to a squig!'. Bargutz's decision made, the Kill Kroozer began to ponderously turn in space, heading towards a new destination.....
A chart for you chaps:-
You need not take a side in this scenario, you just say what you think should, or is likely to happen. Simple as that. As things stand, the only three factions involved is da Orks, Imperium, and Empire. Other Factions may be included at a later date, but these are the ones present at the moment.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Hmmm, let's see. Depending on who gets there first we could easily see a Victory class ship duking it out with the Kroozer. In this case, I'm willing to bet the Kroozer will win, but the Victory will have time to send out a distress call, or call for help or some other such thing.
Depending on who they call, this could mean either Vader sending in more reinforcements, or it could mean the Black Sun realizing they may be slightly outclassed.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Holy Emperor!
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Post by: blazinpsycho&typhooni
ORKS!!!
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Post by: IvanTih
The scenario is highly dependad on which calcs we use,ICS(extremely high end and lower than movies in cannon book) or we use movies(they give them megaton weaponry).
Anyway if the Empire invades 40k galaxy they'll need to scout hyperspace for routes and hyperspace lanes.
Imperium on the other hand could use it's warp speed at maxium(Codex Imperial Guard gives us 1,000 ly per day at best days).
The Empire has industrial advantage and strategic mobility which means that they choose which target to engage and when.
If we use ICS calcs,IOM loses,but if we use Movies calcs then the Empire loses.
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Post by: Lexx
Imagine if the Imperium got their hands on hyper-drive technology? No need to use the warp as much and navigators would be out of a job and culled.
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Post by: IvanTih
Lexx wrote:Imagine if the Imperium got their hands on hyper-drive technology? No need to use the warp as much and navigators would be out of a job and culled.
That's why they would do everything to stop that or at least form a deal with AM which gives them right to again act as a Navigation officers or something,but they would also need to map out routes and lanes.
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Post by: Huffy
next step.....I'd bet the black sun tries to employ the warboss..and would succed to start off, orks get to fight for guns and whatnot, however that could be dependant on the clan..if its just pirates then the orks would be more likely to join
I dont think that the tech priest would bring a large retinue..depends how high up he is, cause the mechanicum does have politics and attracting too much attention to a new "heretical" tech before he can get his hands on it and how it works wouldnt be in his best interest
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Post by: Mr Nobody
Also, would the imperium attempt to bring the empire into the fold, or just consider them heretics for foreign technology and collaborating with xenos?
An ork with a lightsaber, what could go wrong?
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Post by: Asherian Command
Nurgle stormtroopers! OMG!
Tzeench Darth Vader! OMG!
Khorne Chewbacca! OMG!
Slaanesh Han Solo! OMG!
Khornate Ewoks! DO IT!
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Post by: maxpower3579
it will depend on which clan the orks are. if its the blood axes or free bootas, then they might just help, but if its Goffs, snakebites or deathskulls they might not go so well. the dethskulls because they probably wont be able to not loot/steal some empire stuff, and that wont be cool.
the problem is the AM might find the empire and the empire will try to be nice, but that will be a bad thing. best kill him, make it look like the orks, and leave it at that. but they wont know to do that, just saying.
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Post by: Commissar Agro
This looks very interesting!
I can see blood axe orks working for black sun or the empire in return for new high tech toys, imagine orks with the 2-M Saber-class repulsor tank.
This > 
bad moons are the merchants of ork society, they would trade with black sun.
I can see Xizor hireing orks to destroy Vader's Victory class destroyer if it starts poking arround...but that would lead to Vader sending more troops to the milky way.
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Post by: GamzaTheChaos
Khorne would see darth vader and think he was chocolate rain get mad CUT A WHOLE THROUGH THE WARP AND STAB STARWARS IN THE EYE!!!
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Post by: Lexx
Another thing to add. The force vs warp powers?
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Post by: SilverMK2
This thread looks really interesting. Will have to wait until I get home to be able to see the maps and things.
Personally as far as warp/force powers go, in areas free of necron suppression, their power would be relatively similar and dependant on the strength of the user, with users of the same kind of skill and power being evenly matched in terms of warp/force projection.
It might be arguable that the various shields and so on put in place by the Imperium as a matter of course to block out psychic signals may render some force powers ineffective - it has been stated that the warp and the force are different powers, but nul shields etc may well block out mind confusion powers of the force, for example.
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Post by: maxpower3579
oh, i could see the jedi mind trick working on pretty much all of the Guards men. not orks, because they are orks, and they dont listen to no pink skin! plus they are all sorta psykers, so they cant be tricked easaly. in any case, the empire will be the "friendly" one of the first contact with the imperium, and the imperium just reacting as allways, DESTROY THEM GERGFHHFGDRGR. the thing is, the Empire isnt probably used to being the attacked one, so would love to see how they deal with that..
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Post by: Ketara
Aboard the bridge of the Subjugator... wrote:
'Sir! We are receiving inbound transmission signals from Planetary Colony XCV-104.' Captain Rothermere looked up from the console he was examining, seeing the lines from hyperspace twinkle for a second, and vanish, as the ship exited to realspace. 'Patch them through to the main speakers' he commanded, taking up his customary position at the helm of the bridge. There was a brief flicker on the small circle in front of him, and the three dimensional figure of a man appeared, displayed in blue. 'Thank the Emperor you're here!' cried the man. 'My name is Captain Rothermere of the Imperial Navy', Rothermere replied curtly, irritated by the informal, uncontrolled address by the civilian. 'Kindly brief me succinctly on the situation here, and what made you feel you needed to declare a Level Two alert to the military authorities over at Rothana'. In face of such cool concise address, the man appeared to gather himself. 'My name is Governor Centrate. I'm in charge of the colony here, and we've been under attack by foul alien creatures for the last month or so. Our men are holding out as best they can, but they're not troopers!These monsters are over six feet tall, and-' He was cut off in short order by a hand gesture from Rothermere. 'Actually, on second thoughts Governor, have one of your men clarify the situation and transmit it to us for analysis. Good day to you'. The hologram flickered and cut out.
Civilians, Rothermere thought to himself disgustedly. No doubt these creatures were primitive barbarians, like all aliens, easily defeated by any competent commander. Well, he'd obliterate the vermin, return to base, and try and get reassigned back to the Inner Rim. He was sick and tired of being stuck on Outer Rim patrol missions, putting out bushfires caused by hysterical incompetent planetary governors. Promotion might be faster, but it was no compensation for the extreme boredom and laxity caused by extended periods away from serious military command.
'Sir, we just received the communications package from the Governor', the Flight Lieutenant said. 'According to the data, One of the two major cities has already been abandoned to these aliens, and is even now being used as their primary base of operations'. Rothermere stroked his chin thoughtfully. 'This one looks like it requires the personal touch. Prepare to take us down onto the city'. The Lieutenant blanched, being a recent transfer from the Academy, and yet having to have had seen action. 'You mean for us to go down with the troopers sir? I'll, er, call for your personal shuttle to be prepped immedia...' . His voice drained away, as he was subjected to a withering stare from Rothermere. 'I meant the ship Lieutenant. Not me personally. You've never served on board a Victory Destroyer before, have you?' The lieutenant demurred with a swift shake of his head. 'The Victory Class Destroyer is capable of atmospheric operations. It doesn't move particularly fast in the air, I'll grant you, but it has a habit of squashing all problems', he paused for emphasis, 'Flat'. He brought his fist down on the console in front of him with a bang, making the Lieutenant jump.'
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Holonet Transmission 458572
My Lord, I've removed that incompetent from command, and assumed control of our operations here. The fool attempted to arrange for me to have an 'accident', so I ensured he met with one instead.
Regardless, I've briefly evaluated the data from nearby Dolumar, and it seems to have no substantial military defences. I recommend presenting the world to the Emperor for assimilation immediately. In the meantime, me and all remaining forces here will proceed directly to the colony system to ensure that the battleship dispatched from Rothana explores no further. We will wait around the edges of the system until we are certain of its departure.
Your obdt servant
Captain Pieterbas
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'You say these aliens have an asteroid base?'. Magus Chronus leaned back on his mechadendrite extension arm, comfortably shifting all his weight to it. The man strapped to the table in front of him was the Rogue Captain Vernedear. Up until now, he had proved a valuable resource. However, his stubbornness about divulging the location had forced him to resort to stern measures in order to prise the truth from him. Now the man lay bound to an examination table, his veins distorted and blue all over his body from the truth drugs being pumped into him. Chronus watched the man's face twitch, as he still tried to fight against the drug. 'Y-yes.....' the man burbled...'but...there are humans there...as well..' Had Chronus had eyebrows remaining on his now largely mechanical face, they would have shot up with surprise. Humans consorting and fraternizing willingly with aliens? That was heresy at the highest level! Nonetheless, the humans could no doubt be weaned away from the Xenos, given suitable....re-education. The firepower of the Frigate he currently travelled on should be more than suitable. 'But if they're on an asteroid, that implies they travelled there from somewhere else'. He leaned in towards the bound man. 'Where would you suppose they came from?'. The man grunted and shifted, 'tried to hide it....but one captain couldn't handle his drink...Co-ordinates XV8749...' He murmured something else before his eyes rolled into the back of his head, but Chronus had stopped listening. Sending a snap of binary to the Ship's Captain, a course was laid in, and the ship set off.....
So, the board has been set, and the pieces are in motion. How is this going to play out? 
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Post by: Asherian Command
Awesome  a moment I have been waiting for the longest time 
I really hope they kill each other.
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Post by: Lord of battles
This sounds cool!
Fire lance batteries on my mark! 1..2..3 FIRE!
= all star wars empire ships DEAD!!!
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Post by: Blarg21
If this is a rim world ( which i think it is ) then this should prove to be interesting. IIRC most sector group fleets relatively small consisting of 24 of ISD's not counting interdictors escort carriers vsd and the lot of smaller ships........ But then again the fleet at endor wasn't huge consisting of about 16 ISD's an SSD and the Death Star. I can see the local Moff sending in the sector fleet easily should he feel threatened.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sector_Fleet is the source for my numbers of ISD's.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Hmmmm, well since the Magos wants to gather technology, it's unlikely he'll go in full guns blazing. It means he might destroy whatever it is he's looking for.
I personally think that the Magos will at least TRY communication first. At least they won't fire on each other right away, simply do to pure confusion. They'll try to talk to each other......hell, they may even cooperate when it comes to protecting the colony planet. Especially since it is a human colony......conflict will probably begin to erupt later on once Xizor/Vader shows up, and the Magos calls in a REAL fleet.
Edit: At some point we should turn this into an article....hell, maybe even move it into dakka fiction. It's less a 'who would win' thread now, more so it's an actual story that Ketara is writing.
.....Once things get deeper in will you be allowing other followers to submit their own sections? An IG regiment vs/alongside Stormtroopers here, etc. etc. This could get REALLY good really quickly.
Edit2: The only problem with the whole sector fleet coming is twofold. One, 24 ISDs is a 'typical' sector, but we're not in a typical sector. We're in a backwater, outer ring sector, the Sector Fleet likely isn't the same mass as more coreward, and more important sectors are. Secondly, the Moff has no idea what's going on, most likely. Are you really going to send ALL your resources into an unknown situation? I doubt even the most idiotic Moff could be that stupid.....
And on an unrelated note, I think we'll be running into some which Emperor is who pretty soon......All very confusing. Ah well, confused and panicked characters are INTERESTING!
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Post by: Blarg21
I would agree that guns wouldn't be blazing at first contact if the magos IS smart. It depends though if the Empire considers this atm to be a big enough threat to bring in Vader. Now I can see the local Moff getting into this though. Hmmmmm 24 ISDs vs an exploratory fleet. It also depends on how the Magos will see this technology. For we know he might see it as a heresy. But I am sure more will follow. I wonder what has happened to that colony. ( Oh Noes the Bugs are invading )
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Post by: ChrisWWII
It's Orkz. At least I think its Orks. 
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Post by: Blarg21
If its de orkz, den we has a bigger problem on our plates dan we think.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
For the ork situation, the storm trooper will first off take grevious damage, not understanding that orks are bigger, stronger and more numerous. Eventually the fleet will learn their advantage in speed in both manouvering and redeployment, hoperfully wittling down the ork numbers faster than they can grow.
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I'd also want the two sides to at least meet each other, just to see their reactions. Captain getts the techpriest, "hello, I-WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR FACE?!"
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Post by: Exark
Off topic question first, whats ICS?
Second, on topic. I'd say the pirates would get owned, from my memory, Black Sun never really had much in the way of warships, they'd likely not have more than a few DP20 Gunships (the corellian gunship), and several supporting fighter squadrons (Toscan fighters i believe, if X-Wing ALliance is to be believed).
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Incredible Cross Sections. It's the only SW book that gives weapons, shield and energy generating data in metric units.
And iirc Black Sun is a MASSIVE criminal empire. They've got bigger ships that the little gunships. They could take on a Victory destroyer. Hell, to take out Xizor himself, Vader had to hop in with the Executor.
Black Sun is no pushover, especially if Xizor is himself involved.
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Post by: Exark
ChrisWWII wrote:Incredible Cross Sections. It's the only SW book that gives weapons, shield and energy generating data in metric units.
And iirc Black Sun is a MASSIVE criminal empire. They've got bigger ships that the little gunships. They could take on a Victory destroyer. Hell, to take out Xizor himself, Vader had to hop in with the Executor.
Black Sun is no pushover, especially if Xizor is himself involved.
Ah, that is correct about Black Sun, however i'm talking about around a small asteroid base, i wouldn't bank on them having much. Now the Toscan is one nasty little ship. However, I wouldn't expect that big of a garrison, perhaps maybe a bulk cruiser or two? But no large military hardware, VSD's, Mon Cals, Assault Frigates.
Oh wait, maybe a couple of Dreadnaught Heavy Cruisers, they could obtain those
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Well, yeah the base itself wouldn't have much. But Xizor's following this one personally....much bigger stuff could be coming. But yeah, I'm thinking Bulk cruisers as the biggest things Black Sun could throw at us.
I'm more interested to see what Xizor's response will be to encountering the IoM.
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Post by: Exark
Agreed on both counts, I'd bank on him trying to get the Emperor's favor, but once Vader shows up...its gonna be a warzone
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Post by: blazinpsycho&typhooni
bwahahaha... heresy thinking goin on...
I think the empire will be forced to retreat after facing the orks, but then come back with a sizable force to combat the threat. After all after reading this guy talk, I think he's the typical arrogant empire person. He'll go into this thinking it's maybe a smaller alien civilization, then get crushed, then be forced to retreat, then come back with more guns. Then mechanicum come, stalemate, cuz empire has reinforcements even though the adeptus mechanicus has better weapons and maybe range... after all, it is only one ship, unless I'm reading this incorrectly
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Post by: Asherian Command
God please no darth vader. Or else Someone will need to get my Characters involved. And No one wants that -.- (looks at Bill From Accounting with anger).
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Post by: blazinpsycho&typhooni
Asherian Command wrote:God please no darth vader. Or else Someone will need to get my Characters involved. And No one wants that -.- (looks at Bill From Accounting with anger).
I agree, at least for now  . I don't think it would be smart to bring in the big guns so early on in this thread, there are maybe those who are still not used to this somewhat tranquil zone, where people aren't attacking each other.
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Post by: Commissar Agro
I know the rebelion hasn't been mentioned yet but i can see bothan spies finding out about the imperial colony in the milky way. So would the rebelion come looking for potential allies such as the eldar? It could work since the rebels aren't anti xeno, but the eldar wpuld proberbly look down apon them or just use them for their own ends...
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Post by: blazinpsycho&typhooni
They could join with the tau, y'know for the greater good and all
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Post by: Commissar Agro
I somehow don't see the many races of the rebellion having escaped from being 2nd class citizens in imperial society ruled by 1 dictator to joining another dictatorship under the Ethereals.
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Post by: Field Marshall Terry
I honestly think the Imperium would pull another "Dameocles Gulf Crusade" where it launches a massive invasion of Empire Space, but the attack slowly loses momentum and eventually gets called off due to another emergent threat (14th Black Crusade, Another Tau Expansion, Hive Fleet _______). With as many enemies the Imperium already has to deal with, I could see them being diplomatic with the Empire as they were with the Tau Empire (which seem to be the only Xenos race in 40K that actually use Government-Themed-Diplomacy)
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Post by: Lexx
Field Marshall Terry wrote:I honestly think the Imperium would pull another "Dameocles Gulf Crusade" where it launches a massive invasion of Empire Space, but the attack slowly loses momentum and eventually gets called off due to another emergent threat (14th Black Crusade, Another Tau Expansion, Hive Fleet _______). With as many enemies the Imperium already has to deal with, I could see them being diplomatic with the Empire as they were with the Tau Empire (which seem to be the only Xenos race in 40K that actually use Government-Themed-Diplomacy)
Imagine first communication
"For the emperor!"
"Palpatine be praised!"
"Uhm... who? I said praise be the god emperor. What is this heresy! Crusade on you. Xenophile scum!"
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Post by: SilverMK2
The thing about crusades is that they take quite a while to organise. It could be that a few hundred years from the first encounter the Empire start getting urgent (but short) calls for help against a vast invading force as the Imperium finally gets round to bringing its might to the fore.
Unless things escalate very quickly, I don't think the Imperium will do more than protect its worlds more or less like for like with whatever the Empire throw at them.
It is only if the Empire make a massive planet grab and try to take over many star systems within the Imperium that I think we will see a large sectorwide scramble for naval fleets and IG. We may see some small SM interaction after the Empire takes a few worlds (2-4?), again, gradually growing in line with the threat faced.
You have to remember that the Imperium works on a cascading ripple effect when it comes to dealing with threats.
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Post by: Commissar Agro
But we can't forget that the Imperium dosn't control every single star system so a invasion by the empire would be slowed down by attacking worlds controlled by other hostile species.
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Post by: SilverMK2
Whilst true, the buildup of other species fleets in the area (in particular an Ork WAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!1111oneonepi) would also alert the Imperium to something going on (though they may feel that whatever is going on should be left to run its course and thin out the number of orks/other hostiles before they go and see what is happening).
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Not to mention that given the way things work in the SW galaxy, in a hundred years the GE may very well be gone after the Rebellion wins the Galactic Civil War, and all that kind of stuff. It could always be that since the Imperium wasn't very talkative, the SW galaxy never appreaciated its true size and extent, so wouldn't be too concerneed about it.
And the only problem with the Rebellion getting together with the Tau is that the Tau are kinda on the wrong side of the galaxy for all this.
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Post by: SilverMK2
Though given the lack of warp sight, the Tau might really like to get their hands on hyperdrives
Personally in the current situation I think the arrival of a giant space ship above an Ork invasion would only spur them on and speed up any Ork migrations in the area (perhaps any near-by Jedi may sense a disturbance in the force due to the psychic call of the Orks?  ) - also, looted Star Destroyer anyone?
The Ad-Mech would continue trying to barter/steal tech.
The Rogue Traders would be pretty pissed (you have to remember that actual Rogue Traders are seriously powerful people with fleets of ships - the Ad-Mech torturing one would not go down well if they ever found out) at their new business partners dropping out on them due to the orks/imperial/Ad-Mech.
The Imperium may send out a small detatchment to see what is going on with their colonies in the area (a few regiments of IG, a couple of troop carriers, a larger battleship and escourts?).
The SM may send a squad along to the party if there are any nearby fighting the Orks or something.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
OH hell yes the Tau would love hyperdrive. The Eldar too....I think the AdMech would love it as well, simply because it's fully technological without relying on 'imperfect' biology at all.....however, the Navigator Houses would not like hyperdrive much at all....if you don't need to go through the Warp, then you don't need them, and they lose power.
Looted Star Destroyer sounds AWESOME. Also, I'm not 100% on this, but I THINK the Ork invasion is from that kroozer Captain wanting to get more of the new fancy bitz, and his Mekboy wanted to know how it works or something....so there's a pretty damn big Ork ship in orbit.
And I doubt the Rogue Traders can do much other than complain.....especially if REAL IoM forces (I'm going to start saying IoM forces or GE forces just cause calling both Imperials will get really confusing, really quickly ) start showing up. Rogue Traders may be powerful, but their power shrinks when the might of the Imperium arrives, and they're technically still subservient to the IoM.
And yes....the Magos may call for more reinforcements from the nearest FW, or just appropriate the nearest Imperial Navy/ IG battlegroup. He can do that, right?
I'm also looking forward to the Inquisition finding out about this....I for one think the Ordos Malleus and Hereticus will flip out when they realize there's a whole other galaxy full of humans out there, a nd that said humans have no trouble with mutation or psykers...
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Post by: SilverMK2
I thought the Orks on the planet were a pre-existing condition? A "small" force which was gradually gaining more Orks prior to the arival of GE?
The Kroozer is a new arrival from a seperate Ork force in another system which happened across a Black Suns convoy/ship and looted all the toys and is now flying around trying to find where they came from so they can get more.
Regards the Rogue Traders - yes, compared to the IoM or the AM they are not particularly strong, but as a fighting force they can put up a reasonable defence. I'm sure in the fluff Rogue Traders have destroyed entire alien civilisations on their own before.
I don't know how the Navigators will respond to hyperdrive (well, I know they will not like it...), but the time it would take the IoM to adopt it into their fleets would be many hundreds or thousands of years. Though the AM would be very interested in it - though some elements may think it heretical since it, as far as they/we know, did not come from an STC.
The GE may well lead to a civil war within the AM (again), with some saying that innovation etc is a good thing and embracing the GE and others rejecting them as heretics as they do not follow the machine god and use STC devices and the proper chants etc...
I think the Magos will keep quiet for as long as possible because of this. That and wanting everything for himself of course
The big =I= would have a field day once news of the GE got out. I think they would have a lot of trouble if the GE played things right and flooded with propoganda - especially if they kept it human orientated (ie didn't mention they liked hanging out with Aliens). I think they would try this Tau-esque tactic alongside invasion and fleet actions to win worlds and populations.
I think in ground wars the GE simply will not be able to field the numbers required to take and hold worlds once the IoM got the IG rolling. The GE may have, on the whole, better trained soldiers, but I think the IG has the edge when it comes to experience in world/system spanning conflics, numbers and simple desire to gind the enemy into the dust.
Not sure about fleet action, as I don't really know how good GE ships are and in what numbers the GE and IN (Imp Navy) can field ships. I think the GE has the edge in terms of being able to out fly the IN, but in terms of firepower, the IN most probably win.
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Post by: Commissar Agro
In star wars fluff they don't have any thing like the average land battle that th IoM fights every day. The IG will quiet literally steamroller the GE but the GE dose have better tech on there side. They have faster supporting elements on the ground and GE ships can escape safely when the gak hits the fan. Alhough I don't know the whole shield and firepower statisics for either side, Space battles with IoM ships are long range slugging matches but in the SW Fluff it would have one believe that a space battle with GE ships is a much closer ranged affair. Hmm I don't know how the GE ships are going to hold up against the Imperial Navy.
We know that GE star destroyers are heavliy dependant on their TIE's (all wing types), look at the Lusykanya (SSD) it had no fighter support and was taken out by 2 impeiral class star destroyers, about 3.5 squadrons, an out dated war frigate and about a dozen or so frieghters loaded with proton topedoes. I don't think a large IoM battleship woud be as vulerable to eermy fire without fighter support...but then again when does the IoM ever send off just one battleship, they send out whole fleets. I think the Deathstar 2 needs to warm up its super lazer.
How long is emperor palpatine in power? 20 years? well i that is correct then in that 20 years, the GE built a gak load of ships so I would think that the production of ship for ship would be in the favor of the GE.
sorr about the wall of text but just need to say tat, Im not trying to dispute what your writng OP, it is great and very interesting, It is great to see how this goes.
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Post by: Mr. Burning
The Rogue Traders, once they have started to feel out the smugglers and pirates would then start looking at making their end of the trade official and will try and legitimise these new trading routes, either by discrediting other RT's pr (and quite possibly) using connections they have in the Imperium to obtain trade warrants.
Information will start trickling back into the Imperium and I would imagine that, over time, word would reach the administration on Terra. Rogue Traders could be forced to accept imperial agents maybe members of one of the ordos.
As I said, bearing in mind how the Imperium works this could take some time.
Maybe their are already agents available to intrigue against the Black Sun and other Pirates or smugglers. Would the Black Sun co-opt other smuggling groups to make contact with the Orks or Rogue Traders to allow them to assess the situation further by these smuggling groups bumbling and stumbling around? Seeing how RTs interact? how trustworthy/how exploitable they are?
Would RT's prevent the Inquisition from gaining too much access to the Imperials? RT's tread a fine line between consorting with heretics/xenos and....consorting with heretics/xenos and keeping the information to themselves.
Would the nascent rebellion have a part to play? i could imagine rebels being, at best dismissed as nonentities and at worst being handed over to Blacksun/GE forces as being spanners in the works. I could imagine The Imperium being fed tales about heretics consorting with dark powers (The Black Sun would glean as much socio political information on The Imperium as they can and be force fed doctrine by Imperial agents and use it for their own ends).
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Post by: Blarg21
Exark wrote:Off topic question first, whats ICS?
Second, on topic. I'd say the pirates would get owned, from my memory, Black Sun never really had much in the way of warships, they'd likely not have more than a few DP20 Gunships (the corellian gunship), and several supporting fighter squadrons (Toscan fighters i believe, if X-Wing ALliance is to be believed).
Xixor used star vipers. Look in the book and game shadows of the empire which is set right in this time period.
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Post by: thedarksaint
What happens next:
Star Destroyer begins planetary bombardment of orks and is intialy sucessful until ambushed and driven off by the Kroozer. It is able to jump before critical systems were damaged and beats a quick retreat to gather reinforcements.
The Orks slaughter the last of the Imperial citizans on the planet and begin to fight amongst themselves. The Pirates pull back, leaving their brothers stranded on the planet fighting to determine a warboss.
The mechanicam jumps to the asteroid but is quickly captured by the numaricly superior forces of the Black Sun. The crime syndicate begins to pull information from the tech priest.
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Post by: Blarg21
I don't think that black sun would immediately capture the ship. Remember black sun has alot gunships which have lasors not Turbo lasors which shouldn't be enough to beat through that armour. But that is if the techpriest immediately goes to the asteroid base. Probably what is goin to happen is they will encounter another ge planet first
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Post by: Mr. Burning
Tech priest wouldn't be too much of a worry.
Rogue Traders would do their utmost to try and prevent any other imperium faction gain control of lucrative tech.
I could see RT VS Mechanicum, Mechanicum VS Ordos etc fighting over Imperial tech, Black sun could be in the middle or manipulate affairs for their own ends.
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Post by: IvanTih
Blarg21 wrote:Exark wrote:Off topic question first, whats ICS?
Second, on topic. I'd say the pirates would get owned, from my memory, Black Sun never really had much in the way of warships, they'd likely not have more than a few DP20 Gunships (the corellian gunship), and several supporting fighter squadrons (Toscan fighters i believe, if X-Wing ALliance is to be believed).
Xixor used star vipers. Look in the book and game shadows of the empire which is set right in this time period.
ICS or Incrediblle Cross section is the book that details SW ships and also gives them weapon yields which contradict every other source.Using them they stand equal,without them they do megatons.
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Post by: Exark
Blarg21 wrote:I don't think that black sun would immediately capture the ship. Remember black sun has alot gunships which have lasors not Turbo lasors which shouldn't be enough to beat through that armour. But that is if the techpriest immediately goes to the asteroid base. Probably what is goin to happen is they will encounter another ge planet first
Incorrect, the Corellian Gunship *is* armed with turbolasers and concussion missile tubes
The armament of a DP20 gunship
8 Double turbolaser cannons
6 Quad laser cannons
4 Concussion Missile Launchers (30 missiles per launcher)
Taken from http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DP20
Effectively, the corellian gunship COULD do some damage, but i doubt a single one would do much damage on its own. It would likely take several of them working in concert with starfighter support
What will likely happen is that if the tech priest gets to the Black sun base first, he'll be attacked on sight, Pirates (especially black sun) are not known for allowing outsiders into their turf.
However I must make an addendum to my previous post, I actually think that the Black Sun could theoretically field Assault Frigates (Dodonna class), i remember there being one (or it was a bulk cruiser), in a mission in X Wing ALliance, with an escort of Supa Fighters (nasty little buggers, try fighting interceptors in a YT-2000, not fun). However I can say with fact that they could obtain Bulk Cruisers (of any type) or even Victory Star Destroyers theoretically, there is however no mention of Black Sun owning any of these ships, but i would not doubt their capability to obtain them, given the fact they are one of the largest crime syndicates in the GFFA (also do not forgot the Tenloss Syndicate) However i'd put the max size as a Dreadnought Heavy Cruiser, anything bigger is pushing it (even black sun couldnt' capture a Mon Cal or ISD)
But nonetheless, the Black Sun could bring more firepower to bear if needbe
Also Blarg, the SUpa Fighter replaced the Starviper (XWA takes place towards Ep VI)
Supa Fighters were most often used to defend Black Sun convoys and respond to attacks on Black Sun-allied facilities. In this regard, it almost completely replaced the StarViper.
<---From the Supa Fighter's entry on Wookiepedia
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
I'd imagine that High Marshal Helbrecht and his Black Templar homies would be up for some cleansing if they found out that there's xenos/heretics in the Ghoul Stars again. I guess they're not that pleased over what happened last time...
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Post by: Blarg21
I've played xwa And that was several year ago. As for the Gunship I think I got that one confused with one of the corellian anti fighter ships. I could have sworn it. Was the Gunship. I might be thinking of the Corvette. But when were supra fighters invented ? If Its before episode VI then i can see It. all well. Still either way there is not enough to punch a hole in the armour of an destroyer sized ship of the IoM you would need several of those like you said before
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Post by: Exark
That is correct, the Supa Fighters show up in XWA (mission where you loot Viraxo cargo), they were a replacement for the Starviper. As to the corellian corvette, you may be thinking of the variant in Empire at war (mounted only laser cannons) I looked it up again on wookiepedia, it has two double turbo lasers and four single turbolasers, and can be upgraded to a much heavier armament. Maybe you were thinking of the Lancer Frigate? But then again, that's not a pirate ship, it's an IN warship. But yes, I agree wholeheartedly, on their own, the ships wouldn't do much good, however a concentrated assault may.
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Post by: Blarg21
I knew it was a gunship, i just couldn't remember if it was a variant or not. I still am waiting to see what would happen though. i do know that the Empire has about 25000 ISD's and at least 15 named supers. There is reason to believe however that there could be more seeing as how each moff wanted one . ( from stardestroyer.net ) i would be really intereested to see how the upcoming battle would play out.
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Post by: Asherian Command
I think the Storm Crusaders will get involved except I think they might only send 2 companies most likely the 29th and the 4th.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
If there'll be a fight at all. Remember, these are 2 human captains, from 2 Empires that both idolize humans, being sent to a human colony under attack by filthy xenos....
I for one doubt a conflict will erupt immediately. They'll work together to take down the xenos and save their own before fighting amongst themselves....
Now that's not to say they won't eventually fight...they just won't fight NOW. WHen Xizor/Vader shows up, I'm gonna bet things will get a bit more....interesting.
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Post by: Blarg21
Should Vader show up I can see the adeptus mechanicus wanting to study him seeing as he is mostly Cyborg. But I do agree that they wont go guns blazing at the start since it is a xenos attack. But I bet once they find out that one is a religious fanatical then I can see the gins blazing. I am wondering what will happen next before I make my final say though.
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Post by: Mr. Burning
Blarg21 wrote:Should Vader show up I can see the adeptus mechanicus wanting to study him seeing as he is mostly Cyborg. But I do agree that they wont go guns blazing at the start since it is a xenos attack. But I bet once they find out that one is a religious fanatical then I can see the gins blazing. I am wondering what will happen next before I make my final say though.
Interestiong point.
'He's more machine than man' Vader could be used by the GE, I'm pretty sure word will spread about a Human/cyborg powers weilding the are powers of life and death.
Cue 'ruptions within the Mechanicus.
Vader seeing the Mechanicus, wanting to and being half cyborgs themselves may just start to loose a few scales from his eyes. Ad mech perfection is 'Vaders curse.
I'm seeing this cross over as potential for fresh conflicts within each universe and not strictly as SW vs 40K.
Anyway it would take a little while for Vader or any important force from the Imperium to rock up and settle jedi vs marines debates.
Orks get taken down, a bit, Imperium and empire work together for a while. its only when, hyper space routes are scouted and more settlers come from the GE 'verse or the Imperium starts sending expeditions that real problems will occur.
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Post by: Gus_Papas
A problem that may be encountered is the sheer scale of the IoM. Because the Galactic Empire was relatively short-lived by 40k standards (the founding of the Empire up to the reemergence of the Empire as the predominant power under Darth Krayt spans barely 150 years, practically nothing compared to the IoM's scale of time) For the Imperium to mobilize quickly enough to meet this new threat, there would have to be a lot of convincing done in order to make it happen. I think the AdMech Magos will play a key role in bringing the GE to the attention of the IoM. This may be difficult to pull off convincingly due to the aforementioned political infighting in the IoM.
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Post by: IvanTih
Problem with the hyperdrive is that you have to map the hyperlanes first before attempting it use on a galactic scale(you can do jumps outside lanes,but it's more dangerous).
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Post by: Blarg21
IvanTih wrote:Problem with the hyperdrive is that you have to map the hyperlanes first before attempting it use on a galactic scale(you can do jumps outside lanes,but it's more dangerous).
remember though all the GE has to do is just send out probe droids to map those routes
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Blarg21 wrote:IvanTih wrote:Problem with the hyperdrive is that you have to map the hyperlanes first before attempting it use on a galactic scale(you can do jumps outside lanes,but it's more dangerous).
remember though all the GE has to do is just send out probe droids to map those routes
It's not that simple. The probe droids took advantage of premapped hyperspace routes. The old stuff for SW, as in pre-Jedi Order, pre-Old Republic, shows that they spent thousands of years slowly mapping out hyperspace before they could jump with the level of precision and speed they do now.
The GE won't have that in the Milky Way.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
They can still use short jumps to ambush ships, being much more accurate than warp jumps.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Sure, they can use short jumps, but the IoM has the startegic advantage within their own territory in that they can move forces greater distances, while the GE will be limited to short tactical hops.
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Post by: Blarg21
Remember the scenario though. This ork attack is happening in the sw galaxy. So at the current point in time there is no need to map out a hyperspace route
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Post by: ChrisWWII
At the current point, no. But when we expand to a greater field, and it turns into a total war? It will become significant.
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Post by: sourclams
If you simply take already-existing GW canon and replace 'Tau' with 'Galactic Empire' I think it'll save you a lot of work.
Technologically advanced, but numerically inferior new "species" that, on the margin, will be able to make modest success in expanding their empire but if ever forced to absorb the brunt of a full Imperial crusade will crumple like a pudding-filled paper bag.
If you look at your early-stage developments so far, it pretty much mirrors exactly the Tau-IoM interactions in the canon.
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Post by: Blarg21
But since they are both xenophobic human cultures except for like 1 occasion on the ge side I can see them working together for a good little while. The only big concern I can see is the whole emperor issue or Vader
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
Not to mention that the whole "Join the dark side of our super-awesome mind power cult!" sounds a tad like heresy. We all know what the Imperium of Man thinks of Chaos. Add the fact that Vader has a helmet slightly resembling a Space Marine helmet and they might well mistake him for a fallen Librarian or something .
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Post by: ChrisWWII
With the all black, maybe they'll think of him as a Chaplain....
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Post by: Commissar Agro
Blarg21 wrote:Remember the scenario though. This ork attack is happening in the sw galaxy. So at the current point in time there is no need to map out a hyperspace route
I was under the impression that this was in our galaxy, that the GE had settled some planet right on the galatic edge of the IoM.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
It's confusing. The concept I'm getting from Ketara's maps is that two galaxies are somehow overlapping at a certain point, and this point is where the cross over is happening. So it's kinda in both galaxies. Aka, there are hyperspace maps, and the Astronomicon works.
However, once you get out of this small area ...things get interesting.
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Post by: Blarg21
if it overlaps a little thats fine. All that means is, in a few million or a hundred million years or so the two will finish merging into 1 galaxy.
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