I've heard it for weeks now... A skittering, scratching sound... A gnawing at the edge of my sanity...
I know others have heard it too... Others before me...
They listened to it... Followed it where it led... And Where it lead... was greatness...
I've held out longer than those who came before...
Blackhand...
Santobell...
But in time, all who hear the call will give in...
So... I emerge from the shadows of DakkaDakka... Into the blinding light of the P&M Forums...
Wherein I walk with gods...
To bring you all... My Skaven of the year 40,000...
The Nezumi.
Wow, that turned into a longer introduction than I had planned... Ah well!
I think that pretty much summed it up though! I had an Idea, came to Dakka, found others who had had a similar Idea (Santobell and Blackhand, as mentioned above, are well into creating beautiful 40k Skaven armies, you should check out their P&M blogs too!) and, inspired, decided to actually put my crazy ideas into paint and plastic!
I will update this as frequently as I am able to get things done, unfortunately it may be a little while between updates, I'm at University in the States, and a lot of my conversion bits come from across the pond, and take a while to get here... however, between picture updates, I will do my best to try to fill in the fluff surrounding the Nezumi!
So, with all that said, it is my pleasure to present... the First Brood of the Nezumi!
Questions, Comments and CC are always appreciated! -Josh
Nezumi= Japanese were-rats?
Well I learned something, I always though that the Nezumi where just a race of Rat Men from the Magic The Gathering card game
@Warboss Imbad Ironskull: Actually Nezumi means 'rat' or 'mouse' in Japanese, but often comes associated with were-rat like creatures I thought it would be cool considering the Japanese influences (imho) in the Skaven line...
@privateherbert24 Thanks for the subscription! Yeah, they required some cutting, and they take an incredibly long time to be delivered (at least these ones did) but i think they work well Especially how well they fit into the hands:
I know it's a terrible picture, but if you can see, the top finger actually looks like it's pulling the trigger! Needless to say I was pleasantly surprised...
-Josh
I think the shields really detract from the futuristic look, especially because they are wood. Since you are taking a fantasy army to 40k, i think you have to do a bit more, to set it apart from the basic fantasy form, than just slapping a gun on the model. A shield such as these rats have would make it hard to hold a rifle and it detracts from the believability.
Would it be possible to shave the shields off or scrape the wood grain detail off them? Are there different rat models that do not have shields in their left hands?
Also maybe some Scifi backpacks or other details to bring them more into the future and out of the fantastic past.
@A Black Ram: Thanks! Yeah, I'm still working on the specifics though... I'm thinking, something like Black, with blue edges (ala Dark Eldar) for the hard metals (armor and blades); dark bronze for the soft metals (decoration) and blue-gray/bone for the cloth
@crimsonmicc: Thank you so much for the constructive criticism!
Atually the wood grain and the shields were both intentional choices! You'll see it reoccurring throughout other models that I make too I like the duality of the wood with futuristic metals and alloys to really get across the scavenger nature of these guys.
I'll certainly consider the backpacks, I do like the silhouette, but I'll try some stuff out and see what looks good.
As a side note, I would appreciate you not implying that I just 'slapped a gun on a model'... I did do a lot of work finding the right gun and, and it was rather difficult getting them on the models... I know that for other people, it wouldn't be much, but for me it was a challenge!
Thanks so much for your help though!
edit: Oops, missed the bit where you said you are going wioth Dark Eldar. Yeah, the poisoned weapon thing works. It'd be interesting to see an analysis of what models would fit what units from the DEldar army. Certainly, Doomwheels converted to make Gyrocoptors would be flimsy enough to be quite DEldary. I may go and do the same for DEldar as I did for Eldar.
I like them! and the DE codex will fit nicely with the ratties as well the only thing and it's just me but the guns are a bit to human now looking at them you could trim the barrel back and the grenade launcher back to it's hand hold and you will have a more sci-fi and more non human weapon maybe remove the sight/handle as well but yeah nice so far and I'll look forward to seeing these guys expanded and eventually completed!
@Boss 'eadbreaka: Sorry, thought I said, they're from Maxmini.com, they're called 'm-guns'
@Fifty: Thanks! Yeah, I just ordered a Doomwheel.... but I have other plans for it Love your blog, definitely subscribed!
@Santobell: Cool, thanks for the suggestion! I'll see how they look with some paint on them, but if they still look too human, I'll trim them down
@Tortured-Robot: Thanks! Like I already said, the shields stay! I feel like they fit the scavenger theme, the cowardly nature of the ratmen, and provide the 4+ save that Kabalite Warriors have!
And more than that, I like them! Heh, no better reason than that...
Unfortunately, I'm out of guns... I wanted to see how they looked before I ordered enough for all of my clanrats!
However, I should have a Doomwheel and some more guns arriving any day now...
For now, I'll see about consolidating some of my background information and conversion ideas, and see if I can get them up tonight!
Thank you everyone for your comments and CC!
-Josh
Well done! I am planning a Skaven c/a Dark Eldar force for sometime late next year, but will be focussing it as a Wych Cult, as I already have my 3rd edition DE army with a Kabalite theme.
Sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry!!!
I'm terribly sorry for simply starting this Plog and vanishing! However, I was forced to take a medical leave from modeling:
And this is how they look after all this time... had a wonderful accident on my scooter and messed up my hands pretty bad... as you can imagine, it made it pretty hard to hold a craft knife!
In this time, I have mananged, however toget a litle bit done...
-Assemble 7 more warriors (would have done more but I ran out of bases )
-Re-equip my Archon
-Make him the first of his retinue (see below)
-Assemble my Haemonculus and a second 'Grotesque' (rat ogre)
as well as...
*drumroll...*
-WIN TWO 500PT GAMES WITH THEM!!!
For me, the last was the most exciting, as these were my second and third games in... what... three years? I was very proud I wish I could put together a Battle Report for you guys, but still suffering from a dearth of camera... Next time I promise! And to make up for it, I'll throw up my list at the end of this post!
As for the little modeling I did, here's a shot of my HQ:
From right to left, they're my Lhamaean, my 'Archon', and my Master Moulder, aka Haemonculus!
And here's a little close up of the Lhamaean (sorry for the blur):
Other than that, not much new, I decided that I'm going to keep the shields on the warriors, but get rid of the wood grain... as soon as I find out where to purchase Miliput (sp?), also, if there's anyone with scratch-building vehicle experience, would you mind if I PM-ed you a couple of questions? I'm nervous about starting on my Raider equivalent...
And last but not least, my list! I know it's not competitive in any way, but it was made from what I had assembled!!
wow. they are so awsome i once tried something like this but ended up failing(taking last eds clanrats and giving them bolters-didnt work [there i used the unusable one]for obvious reasons)
Unfortnately you need 1 of each of the archon court. Though this is a spanner in the works of your 500point list it does mean WE get to see what you will do modelwise with the other dudes.
No no no no no depths!! I have a little progress!! What are the odds I would pick today to update...
Ahem, like I was saying... small progress!! Money has made working on this project quite difficult... as has a ridiculous course load Which is incredibly frustrating as I have nearl every unit in the army planned out, down to the conversions and the fluff, but as of yet, it's stuck inside my head!
But, onto the small update! I had a couple of games and got absolutely slaughtered... partially my fault, partially becuse in both games an entire squad was decimated by a SAG! I thought those things were supposed to be unreliable! But one suggestion of my opponent was that I get sme Raiders converted up fast, because DE are more difficult (than they already are!) to play without them! So... I present to you... the bones of a Raider!
[Edit: sorr for the HUGE pictures, Dakka was being difficult, so these are Photobucket... I'll switch to Dakka as soon as I can get them to upload!]
That round circle is a Warpstone Furnace Generator, and will be receiving much much more detailing!
The wings will be attached to the center piece so that they fall approximately between the prongs of the weapon on the front (counts as a Dark Lance). I took a lot of inspirations as well as design ascetics from the Fantasy Skaven war machines... Skaven don't think in squares like other races, they think in triangles and circles! I tried to incorporate that some into this...
As I said, this is still very bare bones! It needs a ton more fun details, lots of cables lots of spikes and hooks and bells! Also, I'm still looking for suitable engines, thinking something like the Thunderhawk's, but scaled down obviously! They'll be suspended beneath the wings with further triangles, and attached with a multitude of tubes and wiring! Also the pilot will be situated on the shorter wing
The "Raider" is actually looking great! I have to admit, I was very sceptical when I started reading this...not much of a fan of Rats or DE...but I am a big fan of M-type rifles/carbines, and I like the shields! Keep it up!
wow interesting stuff. the rat ogre looks like a really great sculpt , good conversion matey, and good work on the vehicle too. if thats what it is ;-)
@Everyone: Thank you all so much! Your kind words really help me to stay motivated!
I really need people's opinions as well... as you may or may not have read, my original plan was to suspend the Raider's engines under the wings, and attach them to the generator (ball-thing) with all sorts of tubes and wires... but I'm having trouble finding engines! Valkyrie engines were kind of the design I had in mind, or pod-racer, but everything is too big or too expensive... I was also looking at possibly using Ork Stormboyz rokits, and extending them, but I'm not really sure how big they are... I'm just stumped! Does anyone have any ideas?
Also, if anyone knows where I can get screen- like window screen- for cheep in the US, I would appreciate it! Heh curse you lack of monetary resources!!!
And in exchange- filler!
Had like 20 minutes of free time in entirety of this last week, but managed to make my Counts-as Pain Tokens...
@Blackhand: I was thinking horizontally, the idea being that they would essentially be the 'troop transport' part of this transport... not literally transporting models of course, I always thought the old DE Raiders looked a tad silly with their flock-based warriors sitting on top, but I might model some crew rats hanging on...
That all being said, of you think it would look like it could still transport troops with the wings at an angle, it would fit much better with the idea I have for how I'm going to model a Void Raven...
BLACKHAND wrote:I was thinking of the rats emerging from the warpstoe core like a teleporter...GSing a couple of half emerged skaven would look pretty cool
It would look pretty cool... but idk, it doesn't really fit with the ramshackle orkish feel I'm going for with these guys... I'll think about it, but I'm not sure if I'm feelin it...
joshoftheforest wrote:Also, if anyone knows where I can get screen- like window screen- for cheep in the US, I would appreciate it! Heh curse you lack of monetary resources!!!
Just go to any hardware store. You shouldn't have to pay more than $1 for a few square feet, which should be more than enough.
Ok, should be able to go shopping either tomorrow or Monday, so the Raider should be finished before too long Now that I know how to do it, there should be a fairly steady stream of vehicles showing up here Also, I have almost all of my Clanrat/Warrior counts-as completed (Almost 40! fist pump!), so I feel justified in ordering some more bits and bobs... probably next up will be Wytches... then maybe some Elite units? I have conversion ideas for both Mandrakes and Incubus (Incubi?)... but that's probably in the far future Probably also going to start working on a Voidraven... the rules just make me giddy!
Wow... this post is rapidly turning into a big to-do list... why did I come here originally...? Oh yes! I need some advice on my paint scheme! Here are the colors I'll be going for:
Now I'm planning at this point to paint most of the fabric black, with lighter highlights (again, see the black in the picture above), with accent fabrics being done in the sort of green-olive (Hoods and the like)... Also, most shields will be done in either black or green, with the other color being used to add clan markings... There will also be other metals on the models, something like THIS and a sort of brassy-gold, but they'll be almost entirely on the gun...
So, my question is this: how should I paint the metal bits on the 'Warriors'? The two options I'm considering are
A) Somewhere between the metals bordering the shoulders and legs in the above picture and the armor HERE...
B) Something like your traditional DE armor paint job... generally black, hard lined with some sort of lighter color.
Anyway! Enough rambling from me, what do you all think?
Just went shopping, and will try to get some pics up tonight if I get some work done Still want opinions on the color please!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Don't know if anyone's interested buuuuut...
Fiddles A LOT and so didn't get a ton done... I have some free time tomorrow though, so I should be able to get it to where I feel like WIP shots will show a sizable difference!
This is my first scratch build, and it's quite and experience! I feel like parts of it will look a little rough, but I'm confident that if I make another one of these (as I hope to! DE need some kind of transport imho) I'll be able to make it look nicer, and it half the time!
I like the idea of the olive green, you usually only see skaven in red and black so it will grab attention which is good.
For the metals a classic scheme is probably enough as you are already going somewhere different with the green, plus a black armour with black cloth may get a bit lost.
Thanks BLACKHAND, that's what I was thinking too Congrats again!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hi guys! Finally finally finally figured out how to make the wood grain go away on the shields! Well, tata for now!
...
...
...
Oh wait... you wanted to see the Raider? Heh ok!
Finally figured out how to attack the wings... unfortunately this means I can no longer put the engines where I had originally planed So I'll have to figure something else out... when I finally figure out what I'm going to use for engines!
I also have more detailing work to do, more little joint plates and stuff on the generator to make it look more Skaven, as well as still needing to attach the driver... Also... rivets! Rivets everywhere!
Oh... and eventually I'll be working on a scenic base... but first I need to figure out how tall a normal raider on a normal base is... I don't wanna be accused of modeling for advantage!
...
Ok, that was a bold faced lie, actually it's time for More Warriors!
I finally finished converting all of the clanrats from the island of blood into my Nezumi Warriors! I now have an extremelt solid core of warriors, and I'm starting to look to the horizon for my next project! I proxied some as Wytches... that might be next for me! Or maybe something special...
Anyway, while I had my rats out I decided to take some glamor shots Here we have the assembled hoard...my army so far!
And among the swarm:
And finally,the almost completed Raider! Needs details, engine and a driver, but not much else!
Tell me what you think!
Also, now that Summer has officially arrived, and I have much more time on my hands, what should come next? I have plans for how I want to build Wytches, Incubi, and a Voidraven... I'm working on how to create Scourges, because I proxied them in a game of Kill Team today and loved them... And I know, competitively speaking I Need more Raiders... But does anyone have any requests?
Really bud, that thing is great I love the way the doomwheel parts fit so well with the other parts you found, are you buying just the parts you need or a whole kit?
Oh and you have to model some bursting out of the globe or hanging off the raider.
@manoknok: Heh, it's about as long as a land raider, a little longer once i get the engines on it! Yeah, and more towards the second... I've never actually seen event horizon, worth a view?
@Blitza the warboy: Unfortunately no, not even anything primed :( I've ordered some paint and some brushes though... I went back to my old GW paint after a year hiatus and it had all dried up!! :(
@Blackhand and Santobel: hey hey hey lets all just calm down if it hadn't been for you guys this never would have gotten started I definitely owe more to you two than I could possibly say
Thank you all so much for the comments! They really mean a ton and have really made my night I'm finally home from college (University for those across the pond!) All my stuff is unpacked and I've started to move out of my temporary gaming situation (a toolbox ) into and onto a more stable environment (a table in the hall)...
Ordering some bits and bobs over the next few days, i think my first task is to finish this raider completely (engines, crew, decorations, possibly basecoat) before I can do anything else...
Then it's time for Wytches (essentially clanrats with weapon swaps, don't get too excited ), A second raider, and a Voidraven!! I have some really fun stuff planned as well, but mostly built around kits I'm hoping to get for my birthday, so if you can hold out till July, there's some big stuff planned... But I'm getting ahead of myself! I still have 45+ rats that need some paint!!
Thank you all again so much, it really means a bunch!
I've never actually seen event horizon, worth a view?
when trying top describe Chaos to someone who has never played Warhammer 40K, Event Horizen is invariably used as an example. so yeah i'd say it was worth watching, but then, i'm also a horror fan, have been ever since the original Phantasm was playing in theaters. another good movie to watch for the influence of Chaos is Pandorum.
I think the problem with this will be classifying all the weapon types...although It looks good, and I quite liked the shields, and as long as they are solid rounds being fired at the ratties then wood will stop the shot just as well as metal (as long as it's thick enough)...
Hi. Yes. An Amazing film. And you'll see what I mean by the big ball in the middle. And I wouldn't be suprised if the writers were familiar with 'Chaos'.
@ Imperial Monkey. At Uni we did some work on futurism...apparently if man were ever to seriously take to the starts the ships would be 90% wood, with only the hull, and a few other bits being made of metal. Something like an Ironclad in Space.
@Imperial Monkey: Where were you a couple pages ago! I've spent like two months looking for a way to fill wood grain... Ah well! I think I will still fill the shields... I good way to get more color on the models!
1) I primed everything I have so far... should be able to get to the art store tomorrow to get some paints!
2) I received a bunch of bits in the mail
--Decorative bits for my raider (which looks sweet! Now with driver as well... still figuring out the engine issue... I'll post when I have a couple of options matched up)
--3 of these guys:
who are my Dark Lance wielding counts-as guys -- And the first bit of my Voidraven counts as! Once again, will post when I have something to photograph!
3) And finally, I went on a terrain adventure! For those of you that dont know, the pet store is AMAZING if you're looking for centerpiece pieces of terrain, just check out what I found! These were all in the Aquarium Decoration area, and are all made of a good plastic, and painted really well, re-paints might not be necessary depending on the colors of your existing terrain (Haemonculus/ Warlock Engineer for scale!):
Sorry for the terrible quality, camera phone!
A little bridge:
Desert-Like Terrain:
Chillin out in Greece:
A cool Larger Bridge (Models can fit like 3 abreast here!)
And some specifically Nezumi Terrain:
Here's a sweet warren-entrance type thing, I don't know, it just looks like something that's been gnawed on and tunneled through... very cool! Also, it's hollow and has some small holes to allow bubbles to escape or be piped through it.... if you stuck a green LED in there i think it would look really cool!
And here's the same sort of piece, but bigger... imagine this monolith rising out of the mist...
Last but not least, Epic:
Can you imagine a board made to look like a HUGE skeleton? Cuz I can
Oh man! 40k Skaven! Must resist idea.....must not begin to make.....40k Skaven.... even if it is the most bad ass idea.....gah! Awesome stuff man. Definitely makes me think twice about going for a Rats in space army
Looking forward to seeing the raider with the pilot and extras on it mate it's all coming along nicely, might even do some more work on mine next week.
What would be awesome but probably never happen would be to have Blackhands mine and your rats all in one game, a fight for Ratty dominance of the 41st Millennium.
@kenshin620: Yeah, they had some really cool stuff! It is a little expensive, but for something that large and detailed, specially compared to GW terrain, or really and plastic terrain they aren't too bad The trick, it seems, is to go for your big stuff, because as they get smaller id be less likely to pay the amount they're asking. For example, the little bridge was about 9 dollars, but the large (tall) warren-thing was only 25... and it was pretty huge for tabletop terrain!
@Mr.Malevolent: Come, come to the dark side! Like I said in the first post, Blackhand and Santobell both inspired me to start... if you can dig up their old plogs, I would do so! Crazy floating castles and a massive airship await you!
@Santobell: Oh my god that would be freaking amazing! Heh maybe if we all meet up at convention sometime I don't go to any yet, but as I get deeper and deeper into the hobby, I want to try everything!
@BLACKHAND: Thanks so much! I hope it lives up to expectations!
@Ralin Givens: Awww, you're gonna make me blush!! Thanks so much
@Foxtale: Yeah, see also the response to kenshin620
~UPDATE~
Since Foxtale brought it up, I just wanted to throw it out there for consideration... for jump troops in general, both Scourges and possibly hellions (but not sure about that) I was thinking about Clan Eshin ninja adepts? My idea at this point is that they're these stealthy assassins that can vanish in a puff of smoke and appear a fair distance away, reminiscent of the Skitter-leap spell they have (had? I haven't read the codex in a while) in Fantasy... I would do my best to model them climbing up buildings and appear/disappearing, and hopefully be able to magnetize their arms to have them be able to count as both? I like the idea of using them for hellions especially, because of that strange hellion ability that allows them to 'grab' an IC from a unit they hit and run attack and carry him/her away... kinda like an abduction/assassination type deal...
I would probably model them on the Storm vermin body, maybe with these heads:
And try to model some kind of face-cloth... like the shape-changing assassin lady in one of the new Star Wars movies... can't remember which one...
Going to the store tonight to pick up some cheap paints... unfortunately all I can afford! I'm also picking up some washes tomorrow from my newly discovered FLGS... sneaky buggers opened up while I was at school, I didn't even know they existed! So I gotta go check them out... in short, it shouldn't be too long (a day, maybe two) before I have some paint to show you guys!
Thanks for all the encouragement, sorry I update so infrequently, I'll attempt to do better, the job search has just been killing me!
Love the raider work Josh! Great stuff indeed. I will also agree with the Event Horizon references, I am not sure I am a huge as a fan as manoknok but it is still a film worth watching.
I did have an idea for you though that I don't think has been mentioned yet, have you thought about combining the Talos and skaven abomination kits? I am sure you could make some wicked amazing model with those two kits. A big ole bloated floating rat with a tail cannon and scythe arms!
@Iceangel: Actually yeah! I was super excited about it... the tail on the Talos is practically a rat tail already, and the segmented armor is the exact same style as the clan rats... I figure I don't need to do much more than replace the head with an abomination head or two and add a couple more Skaven-ey details... even the posture is almost the same as your average clan rat!
Heh I've asked for one for my birthday
Yeah! I like that idea about the ninja adepts! Though it might not be obvious that they can Bamf! without modelling one or two of them disappearing or reappearing in smoke.
Could be cool. You could cut half of them away, model greenstuff of that half vanishing in a swirl of smoke, and then model smoke (or use model smoke/cotton wool) to hide the rest.
joshoftheforest wrote:@Iceangel: Actually yeah! I was super excited about it... the tail on the Talos is practically a rat tail already, and the segmented armor is the exact same style as the clan rats... I figure I don't need to do much more than replace the head with an abomination head or two and add a couple more Skaven-ey details... even the posture is almost the same as your average clan rat!
Heh I've asked for one for my birthday
Yeah that new talos just screams out "MAKE ME A RAT" I'n thinking the same thing as you matey Abom head and those awesome claw arms under all that segmented armor.
Great Rast think alike it seems
@Santobell: It's true! Fingers crossed in a month's time to see if I actually get it..
I'm afraid no pictures tonight, I do have one lowly clanrat painted, however, my camera is acting up Brought it to my more tech-savy friend and he's seeing what he can do... I'll have pics as soon as I can!
On another note, an interesting opportunity may waylay my previous plans... My good friend back at school is a collector of animal skeletons (cool or strange, you decide, i think it's sweet) And he recently messaged me and told me he was 'processing' to mouse skeletons (Whatever that means, i didn't ask...) And if they both came out well, I could have one for my model making!
I'm imagining a Vermin Lord with an actual skeleton incorporated...
@DamienOfTheWRAAAGH: Heh, I know right? Thanks for the sub!
@nocturne's wrath: This 'threat'? Are you one of the Nezumi's eternal enemies, the Squats? And did I hear someone say 'update?'
-UPDATE!-
Sorry for the delay!! Finally got my camera back!! Heh and had some time to take pictures sooooo...
First up is the Raider! Unfortunately it lost a wing in transit however! That gives you, the viewer a rare opportunity to see it from the side, wing-less! Check this out:
Not a lot of change, mostly just mounted the engineer driver on the back and decorations on the wings... The chains and skulls are from the actual raider kit, and there are some on the other wing as well... here are a few more close ups:
Here's the driver... hehe yes I realize he can't see around the engine, but I plan to have at least one of the crew be a 'spotter'... and I figure that he can see as well as the driver in the Doomwheel kit!
Hooks and skulls! They really give it more of a tribal/ raiding feel! Tomorrow, if I have time, it think I'll try to get some primer on this guy! Unfortunately I haven't figured out the engines yet... but I'm not sure if I can wait!
And now...
Some paint!
The picture isn't the greatest in the world, and the lighting isn't very good, ill try to get some better later, but i figured I would post something!
Here are some other shots:
This guy was my test one, still needs a little work:
The greens are paler, they have better contrast, and I have yet to get a silver metallic paint for the armor on the guy on the far left, so it's black for now... but, yeah!
Heh, so... what do you think! Questions? Comments? Constructive criticism? Heh keep in mind that these are the first minis I have painted in four years!
Yes yes yes yes yes I like the raider nicely done, good use fo the parts and very original.
I'm slowly assembling the Clan rats for my little buggers, update soon-ish.
Also matey and oddly enough the machines gun (which I wasn't sold on) looks great painted on your guys even the shield doesn't feel that odd
any more, just goes to show how far a little paint can takea model.
awesome!
and I concure with santobell the shields feel ok here but I do miss some kind of armour, I mean they'll need some kind of protection right? Unless you can clarify fluffwiseXD
raider is awesome ofc
@nocturne's wrath: Ha, bring it on! Taste my dark-warp-lightning-lance-thing! ha ha!
@Santobell: Oh good, I'm glad you like them more! I saw that clan rat you posted, are you casting the entire thing? Or just the gun? Either way, they look great!
@DamienOfTheWRAAAGH: Many of these guys have actual armor plating as well as their shields (see the guy on the left in the group pic) If we can assume that something the Nezumi throw together to be as good as what an Ork can throw together... and a hard boy has a save of 4+, and an un-armoured boy has a save of a 6+... I could imagine these guys being somewhere in the middle, with their save of 5+
@Mr.Malevolent: Thanks! Funds are dwindling, so I may just be painting for a month or so until I can find some summer employment... I'm glad you like them so far though
Now, as I was contemplating possible conversions I'm liking the Eshin adept concept I was kicking around a few posts back (might even be on this page, not sure) However, I came to the realization, that I just don't have the sculpting skills I would need to make this idea work, and do it really well... and unfortunately, I don't really have the funds to continually buy GS so I can learn how to sculpt, my thing is more finding bits from different places and putting them all together...
That being said, I have to admit, I'm a huge huge fan of Blue Table Painting, (if you don't know them you can find them on YouTube) I particularly love all the conversion work they put into their armies. So, out of curiosity, I contacted them for a quote and presented them with my Scouge/Hellion idea. They gave me a price of between $20 and $35 per figure, which is a little steep, but not completely undo-able...
But my real question is this, how upset would people be, specifically in this thread, if I went ahead with BTP, and had them sculpt some Eshin adepts for me? I would still be painting them, and the concept is completely my own, I would just be having someone else do the sculpting? Does that completely go against the feel and ideals of the P&M forums?
Just wanted to know how you guys felt about it.
I woudn't really mind but can't you let them make a base were you go and stick your bitz on I mean 30 buck per model is alot
once again I wouldnt mind but the price is high for one model that is.
@nocturne's wrath: *Shakes fist at the sky* Damn you and your metal boxes!!
@DamienOfTheWRAAAGH: That's what I thought too... but I also thought that hey, they're making me custom models, exactly to my specifications... Also, every one would come with magnetized arms so I could play them as either Scourges or Hellions, so each one kinda counts as 2 models.. or, rather 1.5 since I can't use them both at the same time, but still... More than anything, I just dont want to attempt the project and botch it up, or to have to play with models im unhappy with... that being said, I'm still contemplating making them myself, it's just an interesting alternative...
I think having someone do the sculpts for you is a sensible use of your time, you may not progress with your GS skills but at least you will get the amry finished before you burn out!
Oh and never buy GS from GW , find someone who supplies Galeforce9 product and buy theirs,...its roughly 10 times as much for a few bucks more
This is looking great. Can't help but think Plague Monks would make great Wyches. I also have to admit to wondering wouldn't Mandrakes act more like Eshin?
@BLACKHAND: Heh burning out on projects, who does that? Sorry to tease And thanks for the tip, I'll look for it...
@Llamahead: Acctually I'm thinking of using them as Wracks... two poisoned attacks and all They most certainly would! However, they few times that I've played with them, they've been absolutely terrible! I could just not be using them right but still... Scourges on the other hand I absolutely Adore! And this was the best way I could think to use them in my army...
Yes you make a good point. I would take a crack at it one time and if it fails just let them make the models. But you better have some fluf for it I DEMAND IT! (wait i am ork) ME DAMANDS IT!! (thats better)
Oh my goodness, you want fluff? Heh I have scores of it just lying around... I didn't know if people would be interested because this is a 'painting and modeling' plog...
Heh if there's one thing you can say about my armies, it's that...
*salamander marine kicks door uin*
Who gave these "fluffy" thngs internetz?
Other marine: you doind it wrong ........... again
+starts flaming everything+
Hur hur hur
Hrud are swamp thing fungus reptiles not rats.
From the book Xenology by Black Library publications.
The only mention of the Hrud being rat like was a bad scetch in the 4th Ed rule book, GW changed their minds on these rat Hrud years ago and went with Swamp Thing rippoffs instead.
Automatically Appended Next Post: My appologies if that came across as grumpy or blunt, I get a bit defensive over all things ratty even more so when ratty is mixed with 40k-y.
Btw...and I mentioned this to Blackhand before, but you might want to check out James Herbert's The City (illustrated by Ian Miller (Death on the Reil etc) for inspiration...I think it is his series of books that kicked off the skaven.
Also. They have Rat Daemons with 6 Nurgelic Teats.
@nocturne's wrath: Heh if you keep this up, it'll be Salamanders, not Squats that I model dead on my bases
@gloode: Thanks! And I have
@Santobell: Thanks so much, heh you beat me too that Heh yeah, I get a bit defensive as well... Don't worry people, we've done our homework! Which reminds me, have you ever read the book 'The Loathsome Ratmen and all their Vile Kin'? It's really good, and gave me a bunch of sweet ideas
Spoiler:
(I have a digital version if you want a copy... Shh don't tell!!)
@manoknok: Ooooh ok, always looking for more inspiration! Nurgelic Teats? If you just made that phrase up you need to copy write it, right now
-Mini Update-
Hey guys, sorry for no updates for a while! It's been either hot and humid or raining up here, so no priming, I've been slowly painting a rat ot two every couple of days, unfortunately real world issues have gotten in the way of working on Nezumi as much as I'd like... not the least of which is the lack of funds!
I've been thinking about the Eshin Adepts, temporarily nicknamed the bamf-ers in my head as befits their signature abilities... I was thinking of ways of making them actually look as though they were teleporting around in puffs of smoke...
I found two interesting things:
So imagine turning this on it's side, so the part in the cannon is on the base and cutting the long part short. Then either model a guy jumping out, leaving a little of the long part as smoke trailing behind him, or model him inside the cloud itself...
And this is of course from the high elf mage's kit, maybe a good bast for a leader?
manoknok wrote: Also. They have Rat Daemons with 6 Nurgelic Teats.
Blackhand. I am still waiting for that!
And I thought we all decided the world didn't need a giant Rat Daemon with a sickening milking machine attached to it's teats
BTW Love the idea Josh, you have to have Rat Ninjas appearing in clouds of inky smoke! Did you ever see any of the art work from the japanese themed Magic expansion (excuse me if that was all jabber) they had some really nice nezumi ninjas that may help inspiration wise.... Clan Eshin was supposed to have learnt their sneaky arts in far Cathay after all.
@manoknok: From Armorcast, they have a great range of 'Cinematic Effects' for things like cannons, missile launchers, slime spitters etc...
@nocturne's wrath: Heh fly me out to the Netherlands and sure! (if your little flag is correct )
@bigmek35: Thanks! Slow progress slogging through my warriors... I want new stuff to play with!!
@BLACKHAND: The world always needs demonic teats. End of story.
All seriousness aside, yes! That was my favorite expansion for Magic and I actually went out and purchased some cards of their Nezumi for inspiration Oh! And the same offer for Santobell goes for you, 'Loathsome Ratmen' is a really interesting read if you don't have it
@Santobell: Oh my sweet jeebus, what is that thing? Well I know it's a raider using a ton of Skaven bits to looks wicked cool, but what is that thing?? Do you know what they count it as?
@ Josh - I have it in hard cover, brilliant read all be it disturbingly scary.
I think it's used as a ravager (I think I got that name right). judging from the comments on the page. whatever it is, it needs to be nuked from space.
Do you actually have a copy of Xenology or do you have your information from somewhere else?
Also could you please (for my own sake) reference where you have your information from.
The smoke is looking cewl that would look pretty freaking awesome with a leaping rat in there. For sure I would crap ma pants.
Also I know you didn't make it but sh*t that ravager is bad F-ing Ass
Also Nocturne meens da green grass of NL if ya know what I mean
Do you actually have a copy of Xenology or do you have your information from somewhere else?
Also could you please (for my own sake) reference where you have your information from.
Hrud image is indeed from xenology, it has been talked about literally dozens of times by now and still the debate rages whether or not Black Library is canon and etc
I think the main reason for the change was the transitional period in which GW wanted 40k to be more separated from fantasy
Do you actually have a copy of Xenology or do you have your information from somewhere else?
Also could you please (for my own sake) reference where you have your information from.
[/quite]
Sure do own the book, it's old been about for years.
Page 77 through to page 82 deals with the Hrud. the article includes an autopsy report, pics and some personal
experience letters and ship logs etc, covering everything from habitat to pyshiology, weapons, technology and religion.
(they worship twisted versions of the eldar gods btw).
They have some similar traits but are not Skaven in space.
@Santobell Never claimed they were "skaven in space." And please don't (if it seemed so) think I am defending the "it's space-skaven" movement, I'm not, however I believe GWs whole "it's not just warhammer in space movement" have left some stuff relatively unclear, among others the whole "who is the Hrud actually" issue.
@Kenshin620 I knew the image from xenology, I read up on my fluff when I'm bored. I was under the same impression from what I've read about them
@joshoftheforest I completely forgot to praise you awesome modelling skills in my first post, true story. The raider also was very nicely made, mad props for that one.
@Moltar
Nice article, draws out some good points about them.
I read the Xenology about them earlier, which was also nicely explanatory.
This is the actual page from Xenology
And this is the fine print which the picture has:
"Speculative artists impression of a Hrud, minus typical shroud, as taken from various supposed eye witness accounts"
Which means we still don't really know how they actually look when alive. (Though we know a bit about their physiology.)
Please ignore the following at will as I'm just doing this for the sake of my own belief that Hrud are related to skaven more than should be acknowledged.
@ Gloode - Np at all matey, nice speculation on that last pic, He looks quite mickey mouse
Heres the page in question that is linked ot the last pic you linked it's an awesome read for thosewho have not seen it.
Spoiler:
All things said it would be nice if they were skaven honestly that would fix a lot of confusion and alow everyone to even out how we approach our conversions and armies etc.
Wow!! So much going on while I've been gone! Sorry for being absent for a while, was at a party down in Hampton (the seacoast here in NH) and I'm just getting back into the swing of things! And of course, while I'm gone what do I miss? A Fluff debate! My favorite!
Heh I realize I'm a little late, but as for my two cents:
I know about the hurd, both old and new And my opinion is, even if BL hadn't presented their own interpretation, and GW had confirmed that there were, essentially, Skaven in Spaaaaaace, I would probably still be making the Nezumi exactly as I wanted The Nezumi are my attempts to take a design ascetic that I love from Warhamer Fantasy and put it into the game that I play more, and in so doing create my own history and fluff I think I'm gonna start posting some of said fluff in this thread, heh if for no other reason than to keep something interesting going on between updates But yeah, that's my bit So I guess in a way, I'm glad GW has never expounded on the Hurd as Skaven, because it allows me to do whatever I please with them, no offense Santobell, but I kind of like the fact that we can all do something completely different, and no one is 'wrong'...
All that aside, thank you al for you kind words! I'll hopefully have the Raider primed tonight, and if I have time I might start working on the Voidraven... at the very least, I'll see about getting some concept ideas up...
One quick question though, does anyone know where I might be able to find Balsa Wood in the states? Specifically I had these square dowels (can you call then dowels if they're square?) of varying sizes, that I used to make the Raider... and that my local craft store has stopped supplying... And I really like them as a material to work with...
@Josh - Got a Toy store nearbye, Toys R us etc tend to have a big squarebin of the stuff near all the scale kits often shoved in the back of the store. otherwise balsa can be picked up fromjust about
any hardware store (gardening store not sure if you guys call them anythign odd over there) same place that will sell you hammers and tools will almost always have balsa and a small crafts section.
Hey guys, I'm so sorry for no updates recently, financial issues and life issues have conspired to keep me away from my hobby love...
I do have some big news though! For the last several years, I've been a student of musical theater at the University of New Hampshire. I love singing, dancing, and acting with a passion that rivals my love of wargaming, but I've come to a hard decision. I am just not cut out to live my life in professional theater. I'm not the type of person that is good with constantly moving from place to place, I am not the type of person who will change someone's audition time on the call board to make them miss an audition, or the type of person who will have my teeth shaved down to make them more square.
All my friends in the Theater department spend all of their time either a) rehearsing (I'm guilty of this as well) or b) researching information about shows/actors/songs/etc, which is what I know I should be doing if I was as passionate about theater as you need to be to be able to live in it. It really needs to consume every facet of your life, and my attention is clearly elsewhere.
So, this Spring, I will be transferring to the University of New Hampshire campus in Manchester, where I will begin to study business management and marketing...
...with the intent of someday opening my my own FLGS.
Fair enough Josh, be glad you realized you weren't suited to the profession before you finished your qualification, I know quite a few people who have and the end up with no idea what to do ( example, a friend's daughter with a masters degree in geography who now works in a fast food restaurant)
Oh and Management and Marketing may sound boring to some people but you have to remember, every business, organization and enterprise needs to have a manager... with that degree you can go anywhere and work in almost any field, good choice.
Questions, Comments and 
)
[there i used the unusable one]for obvious reasons)
in gear!
